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dAndyl01:53
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Xaero_VincentIs Ubuntu going to ever have a new search feature like Vista's instant search and MacOS X Spotlight? That would be really cool I think.03:56
Xaero_Vincentinstant file searching as u type...03:56
Xaero_Vincenti hear the documentation search is going to be drastically faster in Dapper... so Im just wondering03:57
ajmitchthis channel is only used for meetings, sorry03:58
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 17 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board Meeting
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JaneWhello01:01
JaneWEdubuntu Meeting goes check-in now01:01
JaneWs/goes/goers/01:01
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spaceyhi01:02
JaneWhi ogra, kjcole, jelkner, pips1_away, highvoltage, Yagisan, spacey 01:02
ograhi01:02
JaneWis flint joining us today?01:02
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JaneWok let's hit it01:03
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JaneWjelkner: you here for long?01:03
jelkner30 minutes01:03
JaneWcan we start with tech, or do we need to start with docs?01:03
jelknerthen students come01:04
ogratech update: made flight 5 :) thats all 01:04
JaneWok docs first01:04
kjcolehi all01:04
JaneWogra: you not getting off that lightly! :P01:04
ogramy ubuntu tasks are taking all my time currently ...01:04
jelknerthings are moving forward with the cookbook01:04
JaneWjelkner: \o/01:04
ograJaneW, i didnt do more :)01:04
jelknerand now we have an extra 6 weeks, yes?01:04
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JaneWis the 6 weeks decided yet?01:04
JaneWI don't think so01:05
ograjelkner, we're discussing a 6 week delay, if and only if we would do that, the doc deadline would move 01:05
JaneWbut I missed the TB last night01:05
ograTB had nothing to decide01:05
jelkneri thought that was discussed yesterday01:05
JaneWthere hasn;t been a definite call either way yet AFAIK01:05
JaneWjelkner: it was discussed01:05
ograwe made the proposal for a new schedule *if* we postpone 01:05
JaneWat length01:05
JaneWthe decision is still pending though01:05
ogra(we == TB in that case)01:06
jelknerfor edubuntu that would be *great*01:06
ogranope01:06
ogranot really01:06
flintJaneW, I will find out.01:06
JaneWit's a fairly strong possibility though01:06
jelkneryes, really01:06
JaneWwe can not change our goals01:06
ograedubuntu is ready and on track for releasing april 20th 01:06
jelknera june yearly release is what we need01:06
JaneWno new features will be accepted01:06
ograthere is nothing i can do anyway ...01:06
jelkneri understand01:06
jelknerbut the june release date would be better for the future01:06
JaneWonly exceptions for thing that were meant to be in anyway, like espresso and l10n01:06
ograthe freezes will stay (apart from ui freeze for polish) so there is not much edubuntu gains01:07
JaneWjelkner: it's a once of change01:07
JaneWs/of/off01:07
JaneWit would be back to April next year01:07
ograand it will only this one release that will change it 01:07
jelknerwhy?01:07
ograthe dapper+1 release will be back on schedule for oct01:07
flintthis will give use time to make "dapper docs" :^)01:07
JaneWflint: yes it would01:07
ograso in fact its very bad, since we wont likely get localdevices in oct either 01:07
jelknerwhy april?01:08
ogra(time for dapper+1 is to short for big changes)01:08
jelknerfor edubuntu, a june release is *much* better01:08
JaneWok we can't argue whether it should or shouldn't happen - here. The town halls were held, and the TB and CC will weigh in and a decision will be made01:08
ograjelkner, yes. but its ontly a one tier 01:08
JaneWwe will have to deal with it either way01:08
ograand cripples the next release01:08
ogra*timer01:08
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Yagisanjelkner: edubuntu is married to the ubuntu release. It can't get divorced.01:09
spaceycan we get back to the cookbook stuff? :p01:09
jelkneri understand01:09
JaneWogra: unless you have time to start on it pre Dapper release? But I guess not, since you get sucked into ubuntu work?01:09
ografrom a ubuntu perspective its fine, from an edubuntu perspective i'm very unhappy01:09
jelknerso i was hoping this june thing would become permanent01:09
ograJaneW, yep01:09
JaneWjelkner: well it won't - sorry01:09
ograsee my tech update above :)01:09
JaneWok so back to the cookbook01:09
JaneWwe MAY havenmore time01:09
ograscreensaver will draw my time the next weeks ..01:09
JaneWwhich will assist with completeing the cookbook01:10
spaceyi think we need another call for more writers.01:10
spaceyjelkner: that cookbook worksheet still has emty status columns.01:10
JaneWwe can;t count on it until the decision is made though...01:10
spaceyquite hard to determine what has to be done01:10
JaneWjelkner: you said it is going well...?01:10
ograif we postpone, i might have spare time after april 20th ...01:10
jelkneryes, we have recipes on backup01:10
flintedubuntu may be married to ubuntu, but ubuntu is staying out late...  we do not know it may become permanent.01:10
ograflint, it wont01:11
ograwe know01:11
JaneWjelkner: cookbook update please...01:11
jelknerand another one coming on content filtering01:11
ograflint, instead dapper+1 will only have 4.5 months for development01:11
jelknerand one more on multimedia stuff in the works01:11
ograand we'll have to cut down features a lot01:11
spaceyjelkner: what software do you offer in the content filtering? 01:11
JaneWjelkner: another what on content filtering? I don't follow?01:12
jelknersquid guard and dan's guardian01:12
spaceyJaneW: cookbook part01:12
JaneWjelkner: oh recipes01:12
jelkneryes, recipes01:12
JaneWgreat, sounds good :)01:12
spaceybut the basic ingredients are still not there01:12
jelknerspacey ?01:12
JaneWjelkner: is the end in sight yet? or is the task still monumental?01:12
spaceythe basic stuff01:12
spaceyof the cookbook01:12
ograwhat is the backup one using ? 01:12
spaceyis missing01:12
flintspacey, yes, but the concept is there!01:13
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jelknerJaneW: the "end" of a cookbook is *never* reached ;-)01:13
spaceyits really fancy you write up stuff like content filtering but if you dont cover proper installation i think you miss your point01:13
jelknerwe just keep collecting recipes as we go01:13
JaneWjelkner: that's encouraging ;)01:13
JaneWjelkner: sounds like a Harry Potter book :P01:13
flintogra, i agree that mondo/mindi is a bit rough... but what are the alternatives?01:13
jelknerlol01:13
JaneWjelkner: but we get to a 'can be published' point at some stage I hope?01:13
spaceyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet <-- still empty01:14
JaneWspacey: good point01:14
flintJaneW, you knew I would get my HP licks into this eh?01:14
jelknerJaneW: me, too, but let's cross that bridge when we come to it01:14
ograflint, jelkner, sivang is developing a backup tool that should hit universe these days and will be the official backup solution for dapper+101:14
ograplease talk to him01:14
JaneWjelkner: I was just wondering if we know how far away that bridge is...?01:14
JaneWogra: if mdz allows it in. It's a bit late.01:14
ograJaneW, universe01:14
JaneWogra: yup01:15
flintogra, that is worth knowing, thanks.  got any info or a url beyond this?01:15
ogramondo/mindi is nothing i like to have in the cookbook01:15
jelknerJaneW: as you can see from what ogra just said, we are writing a desciption of a moving target01:15
ograit requires to compile kernel stuff and uses incompatible kernels 01:15
jelkneri'm not so sure publication off the web is such a good idea01:15
jelknerthings change too fast01:15
ogranothing we should do to teachers01:15
spaceydapper doesn't change01:15
jelkneran on the web cookbook is more useful because it is easier to keep up to date01:15
flintogra, one of the most unsettling things abou the cookbook, it that it is there for the users, and many parts will not please developers.01:16
ograjelkner, moving target ? the backup spec was developed in motreal ...01:16
spaceyflint: what part will not please developers?01:16
jelknerogra: is that ready to go now?01:16
JaneWflint: I don't see that as a problem01:16
ograflint, mondo/mindi is a high level administrator tool ... nothing for teachers/user01:16
JaneWI think the book is more for the users01:16
jelknerwe can only write "recipes" for what works01:16
ograjelkner, please talk to sivang 01:16
JaneWdevs know how to find and ask for info01:17
JaneWusers don;t, so an compiled book for them to read is best for them01:17
flintogra, I am on sivang, how do I dig him up?01:17
jelknerogra: what is sivang's email?01:17
ograflint, he is on IL time, usually in #ubuntu-devel 01:17
spaceyjelkner: i don't see any moving targets or stuff that doesn't work at all in the cookbookworksheet. but its still almost empty01:17
kjcoleshould we be writing the cookboook to specs?  was the backup spec in montreal targeted at dapper or dapper+1? 01:17
jelknerspacey: than pick a recipe and write it! ;-)01:18
spaceyjelkner: i did01:18
jelknergood01:18
ograjelkner, flint, sivan@piware.de01:18
jelknerthanks!01:18
spaceybut i can't write all01:18
flintexcellent01:18
jelknerthat's how the cookbook will get filled in01:18
jelknerspacey: indeed01:18
jelkneryou can only do what you have time for01:18
jelknerthis is a volunteer effort01:18
JaneWjelkner: agreed01:19
jelknerso we can only take what comes01:19
spaceykjcole, jelkner i remember last week you wanted to fill in the status column of the worksheet so we have a better understanding of the status and the work to be done01:19
ograeven if the tool isnt ready, please dont promote mondo/mindi as a default (its good to have it in a *very advanced* section thjough)01:19
jelknerspacey: yes, we couldn't meet last sunday01:19
JaneWjelkner: it would help to have the status column populated, can you do that?01:19
flintogra, the nice thing abou this user cookbook framework is that ther is a plug-ability to it.  unplug one reciepe and plug in another...01:19
spaceyjelkner: when that status stuff is there its easier to ask other people to contribute since its more clean what still needs to be done01:19
jelknerogra: we feel some solution is better than none, even if it is not ideal01:20
JaneWjelkner: it would help for volunteers wanting to help to see where input is needed01:20
jelknerthe cookbook is aimed at end users01:20
kjcoleThat's why the worksheet is there.01:20
JaneWjelkner: yes I agree01:20
flintwhen sivan has a receipe that works we put it in the cookbook.01:20
jelknerit could provide solutions that are not really ready for prime time, but which are essential to solviing folks problems in the present01:20
JaneWjelkner: can you and kjcole fill in the status? or send it to me in a mail and I can do it on the wiki...01:21
jelknerso it will change as better solutions come available01:21
ograjelkner, flint, the default reciepe should be a good explanation to set up tar/cronjobs/cdrecord and some scripts ... please dont provide users with rocket science if they only need a bycicle 01:21
jelknerkjcole: can we agree to do that this weekend?01:21
ograi agree that mondo/mindi is a good thing for people who are unix admins since some years01:21
jelknerogra: you don't need to fear that01:22
ogragreat :)01:22
kjcolejelkner, sounds good01:22
jelknerone big advantage i have is that i'm not nearly smart enough for rocket science01:22
JaneWI would say the point of the cookbook is to 1) Help USERS to understand Edubuntu, and how it is set up and works and01:22
jelknerif i can understand, chances are most other people can too01:22
JaneW2) to reduce the support requirements, but fullfilling point #101:22
ograJaneW, but since some of our users need to be the admins as well, it gets a bit blurry01:22
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pips1hi01:23
JaneWogra: true, but admins may not need it01:23
ograso we should provide the easiest ways to achieve the tasks ...01:23
JaneWogra: someone who KNOWS can always find the info elsewhere, so if the info is a bit beneither them it's ok01:23
JaneWwe can't cater for everyone01:23
ograyep01:23
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JaneWok, so with all that said, is it going ok jelkner and kjcole ?01:24
jelkneryes01:24
jelkneri think it is01:24
JaneWexcellent! Thank-you :)01:24
JaneWI have faith that it's going to ROCK01:25
jelknercya next week then, same time, same channel...01:25
JaneWthanks01:25
JaneWbye01:25
Yagisankjcole: jelkner: need some docs on securing edubuntu ?01:25
jelknerYagisan: how do you mean?01:25
kjcoleYagisan, if written with teachers in mind, sure.  Why not?  (Just keep the intended audience in  mind.  Many who may be a bit timid about Linux.)01:26
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Yagisanjelkner: securing against malicious users etc. I can't find server security in your cookbook draft01:26
ograjelkner, Yagisan is security cionsultant01:26
spaceyYagisan: i don't think the Edubuntu cookbook can go much further then setting proper limits.conf01:26
JaneWYagisan: thanks for offer to help, can you and jelkner discuss in #e or the mailing list?01:27
YagisanI can assist with basic documentation in that area01:27
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YagisanI'll be in #edubuntu If you'd like it01:27
JaneWYagisan: any doc help would be greatfully accepted01:27
flintYagisan, my deepest condolences on your profession of being a security consultant.  I have don this.01:27
JaneWgratefully too01:27
jelknergreat, now i need to get ready for the arrival of the munchgins...01:27
JaneWok, so flight 5 is out01:28
JaneWhow's it looking?01:28
flintogra, what is the url for flight 5?  I would like to test it.01:28
pips1flint, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu01:29
JaneWogra: did the announcement page get updated?01:29
ograflint, the latest link to a dev release is always in the #edubuntu channel topic 01:29
ograJaneW, there were not enough noticeable changes imho, and Mithrandir already covered edubuntu in his announcement 01:30
=== pips1 updated the links in the above wiki page
flintpips1, thanks, I just did not have it handy, Olli, I had a feeling you had it in the same place...01:30
ograflint, if i release a flight i update the topic immediately01:30
ograso safest is to look there 01:30
JaneWogra: I saw Mithrandir's announcement linked to edubuntu too01:30
ograyep01:30
flintogra, gotcha, and now i see it.01:31
JaneWok01:31
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JaneWogra: so there aren't many changes01:31
kjcoleflint also  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/01:31
JaneWbug fixes?01:31
pips1ogra, re flight5, did you mainly fix that manual update ssh keys step, or where there other changes too?01:31
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ograJaneW, only small ones and the one that required you to run ltsp-update-sshkeys after install .... 01:32
ograso currently it should work as breezy did ...01:32
ograwrt install01:32
JaneWok01:32
flintogra, do you think that will fix the login bug?01:32
ograit does01:32
JaneWwhat else need to be done?01:33
flintogra, excellent!!!01:33
ograartwork 01:33
JaneWare you more or less done with the dev now?01:33
ograi need some days time to jump on the artwork 01:33
JaneWyou mentioned colours not working well...?01:33
ograyes, only bugfixing ...01:33
JaneWogra: cool, well done01:33
ograthey are still adjusted in ubuntu, lets see what comes out01:33
pips1ogra, are the bugfixes mainly stuff that can be seen in launchpad, or do you have a list of bugs of your own?01:34
ograi get ltsp fixes from debian, our ltsp package was added to debian testing yesterday01:34
ograthats very helpful ...01:34
JaneWogra: ok, just keep an eye on it, cos breezy edubuntu looked good (even if a small minority doesn't think so), so we need to make sure we are distinctive01:34
ograpips1, usually i encounter the bugs locally and fix them immediately :)01:35
pips1ic01:35
ograpips1, there are only 2 or 3 user reported bugs in LP01:35
ogra(for ltsp)01:35
JaneWogra: not sure if that is efficient or lazy ;)01:35
JaneW*joking*01:35
pips1JaneW, give that man a break! 01:36
ograJaneW, very efficient, but it misses out user bugs ... but unless i get reports i have nothing to fix01:36
pips1ah!01:36
JaneWogra: agreed01:36
flintogra, how is malone working out on your end?01:36
JaneWpips1: I think he knows it was said in jest :)01:36
ograso either ltsp is perfectly bugfree or users are shy :)01:36
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pips1ok, sure :-)01:36
ograflint, great using it daily01:36
flintogra, or no one is testing...01:36
flintogra, that is what I thought... no more bugzilla at all.01:37
=== JaneW was a little concerned about Burgrundavia's comments, but that's a bit OT
ograsince bugzilla is nonexistent it would be hard to use it :)01:37
JaneWogra: I think we must post more calls for testing on the mailing list01:37
flintIt is out there, just not for this.01:38
JaneWspeaking of which we need to discuss the mailing list name01:38
ogralets just call it edubuntu ...01:38
pips1ogra, +101:38
JaneWdoes everyone agree we should change the 'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu'01:38
spaceyyup01:38
JaneWok, so how does that happen?01:38
JaneWas per that mail to the list?01:39
ograJaneW, jdub01:39
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ograhe needs to create the new one ... then we need to subscribe everyone from -devl to it 01:39
JaneWdoes everyone have to update their saved address only?01:39
jdubchange or add a new list?01:39
ograthen we can delete -devel 01:39
ograjdub, name channge01:39
jdubwould it be useful to keep devel for those discussions?01:39
JaneWjdub: the proposal is to change  'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu'01:40
ograwe want it to be edubuntu instead of edubuntu-devel01:40
JaneWsince ppl are scared to post on 'devel'01:40
spaceyand its not really a devel channel anyway :p01:40
jdubthe rough standard we currently have would suggest edubuntu-users - how's that?01:40
ograjdub, not really the terffic is low enough for both ...01:40
JaneWand it's an all purpose list as our community is small still01:40
kjcole+1 edubuntu-devel ->  edubuntu01:40
ograjdub, it shall cover devel as well as users, so calling it -users might be confudsing01:40
JaneWjdub: we would splity into devel and users if the traffic grows enough to warrant it.01:41
JaneWogra: you and I have the same speed-typing bug ;)01:41
ograheh01:41
JaneWjdub: so what's the verdict?01:42
pips1I'd like to talk a bit about the website...01:42
JaneWpips1: yes, that's on my list01:42
jdubok, can i suggest we create an edubuntu-users list, subscribe everyone to it, and you guys can carry out most discussion there, until you need to start pushing stuff over to -devel? i don't want to be doing things out of standard, particularly when it's going to change again (hopefully soon)01:43
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JaneWjdub: ok, I can live with that01:43
JaneWogra: ?^01:43
ograhmm01:43
=== jdub tries very hard to keep consistency :-)
ogradoes it really need to be -users ? 01:44
pips1hmm too01:44
ograok, then i'd opt for having -users and -devel rather 01:44
JaneW++01:44
ograeven if it doesnt make sense with the amount of traffic01:44
JaneWogra: we can push them to the same mail folder...01:45
ograsure01:45
jdubogra: by not doing -users, it means we're inconsistent now, and when you decide to split, it's far less likely that people would want to rename, so we'd be permanently inconsistent :)01:45
spaceyyou gonna subscribe everyone on both lists?01:45
spaceyor move everyone to users01:45
JaneWspacey: hrm...01:45
spaceyand let them subscribe to devel again?:P01:45
JaneWyup, move everyone to users and let ppl sub to devel if they want to...01:45
jdub(kubuntu had both lists to start too)01:45
ograspacey, everyone to both and leave it up to them to unsubscribe from one ? 01:45
jdubogra: yeah, i think it's easier to do that01:46
ograyep01:46
spaceyyeah probably best01:46
JaneWI prefer my way, else well get dozens of 'take me off this list' mails01:46
ograit will break mail filters though ..01:46
spaceythey subscribed to devel anyway01:46
spacey:)01:46
jdubJaneW: oh, later on when e-d starts being used?01:46
JaneWwhatever01:46
ogracan we postpone the decision ? 01:46
JaneWjdub: we'll mail you :)01:47
ograand ask on the list for the preferred methiod ? 01:47
jdubheh, ok01:47
JaneWjdub: thanks for the input01:47
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pips1ok01:47
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pips1highvoltage is on the ball the design/theme01:47
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pips1I am working on the content structure01:48
pips1the basic idea is that we want to be very inviting for non-geeks01:48
pips1I wrote up some ideas about the subject a while ago: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration01:49
JaneWpips1: I saw what highvoltage had done yesterday, looking nice01:49
JaneWI agree with your idea01:49
ograJaneW, have you also checkeed pips1s example setup ? 01:49
ograits very good01:50
JaneWit needs to be encouraging and non-threatening and very intuitive01:50
pips1drupal is a very flexible tool... there are many things you can do... but I would like to start it "small" and only grow as needed, instead of offering too much functionality to confuse user unnecessarily01:50
JaneWogra: briefly yes :)01:50
JaneWpips1: yes, agreed01:50
pips1one thing that's on my mind01:50
pips1newbies are very happy to use forums01:50
JaneWyes01:50
JaneWBUT01:51
JaneWthey need moderation01:51
pips1I remember someone mentioned that they will create a new forum for edubuntu over at ubuntuforums01:51
JaneWand we can;t expect ogra to provide support there as well...01:51
pips1JaneW, yes, that's what I am getting at01:51
spaceyhook it up to the mailinglist?01:51
spaceylike they did with others01:51
JaneWok, I'll back off ;)01:51
ograJaneW, you wont get me reading/using a forum :)01:52
JaneWogra: good :P01:52
spaceydidn't they hook up ubuntu-users with a forum?01:52
ograthe prob is that people with only halfbrewed knowledge often give wrong help in forums (at least i see that in the ubuntu forums) 01:53
pips1so I wonder: we could have a forum on the new edubuntu site, but keep the discussion on non-technical subjects, ie everything that has to do with the operating system, desktop, blablabla will be in the ubuntuforums, BUT we could have some "educational" topic on the edubuntu website forum, what do you think?01:53
Yagisanogra: so polite01:53
ograand that dves very seldom handg around in forums to fix that01:53
spaceysay again? :)01:53
ograYagisan, yes, i'm biund to the CoC, you know :P01:53
flintogra, one of the great un-answered issues is the idea of developoer-support before you can think about user-support...01:53
ogra*bound01:53
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ograflint, thats what edubuntu-devel was thought for01:54
pips1?01:54
ograon a sidenote and a bit OT, edubuntu was on german TV last week :) http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi01:54
JaneWpips1: might be good for edu content discussions and curriculum stuff and sharing...01:54
=== pips1 thinks that his idea went past everyone's head
pips1:-)01:54
flintogra, I understand, did it work?  or do you have random people giving out bad advice on the edubuntu channels?01:55
ograpips1, thats why we called it -devel first place01:55
JaneWpips1: did you see my comment?01:55
pips1JaneW, that's what i was thinking... but there are already other site that are very dedicated to educational topics too... 01:55
JaneWpips1: and ppl can discuss the latest edu app they found etc01:55
ograflint, i'm observing the ML and #edubuntu and #edubuntu-de very closely ... only if one slips through so ...01:55
JaneWpips1: yes but our users may not know them...01:55
flintogra, you are like hercules at the gate.  but even you have to sleep.01:56
flintogra, that is no solution.01:56
ograsadly, yes01:56
pips1JaneW, yes, maybe that should be the focus on our "own" forum, what edu *apps* do they want to see in edubuntu...01:56
flintogra, we need a command "apt-make ogra-clones"01:57
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JaneWogra: that's ubuntu not edubuntu :P01:57
MezJaneW, surely it wouldnt be too hard to link to other forums regarding curriculum etc etc?01:57
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spaceynice video fragment :)01:57
ogra:)01:57
flintspacey, where?01:57
spacey<ogra> on a sidenote and a bit OT, edubuntu was on german TV last week :) http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi01:57
spaceygerman is so cute01:57
ograi like when they say "response from schools is appreciated and expected" :)01:58
pips1Mez, yes, we just provide links to dedicated sites, and keep the stuff on our site relevant to Education + Edubuntu, that's what I was thinking01:58
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ograhehe01:58
spaceypips1: yeah thats great01:58
spaceypips1: no need to duplicate ubuntu stuff01:58
ograRiddell, so where are the Kedubuntu people ... i want to drop kdeedu :)01:58
MezRiddell, I was thinking that01:58
Mezlol - kedubuntu sounds like a headache waiting to happen01:59
pips1so, do people think that an integrated forum on the new edubuntu site is something we want?01:59
spaceypips1: you can always do it later01:59
SeveasEdkubuntu01:59
ograpips1, nope, but its something users will like :) 01:59
JaneWah now that I have the WHOLE clip I see edubuntu ;)02:00
ograi think our audience is pretty different from the general ubuntu forum users02:00
flintcebit is big time...02:00
ograso i think it makes sense to have our own forum02:00
kjcoleshould be kid-ubuntu, and you could even  have a  superhero / cowboy  'Look!  It's Kid  Ubuntu!'02:00
kjcole;-)02:00
JaneWor id oubuntu02:00
pips1ogra, right02:00
spaceyogra: which kind of end-users do you want to target it at. the endusers that deploy edubuntu or the end-end users who actually use it.02:00
JaneWkjcole: I like it!02:01
ograthe teachers ... the students ...02:01
Mezspacey - or the end-end-end users (the kids)02:01
pips1so ogra, would you mind checking in on our "own" forum then? against what you said before in general regarding forums? ;-)02:01
spaceyok thats great02:01
spaceyso really no technical stuff then02:01
spaceybesides some openoffice tips and tricks02:01
ograspacey, support ...02:01
spaceyand some tips for linux games02:01
flintJaneW, you neve liked my Harry Potter/ magic thing, i think you are playing kevin as your favorite...02:01
spacey:P02:01
ograthat will include tech stuff02:01
spaceyogra: but end-end users don't do that stuff02:02
flintspacey, I think they are receipes...02:02
Mezpips1, see /query02:02
ograpips1, i'll have to fight me into it i guess02:02
JaneWflint: it was your handicapped duck I didn't like!02:02
ograspacey, ? 02:02
spaceyogra: the end users who use edubuntu daily dont do techinal stuff02:02
flintJaneW, that cut, very deep, my art rep is gone!02:02
flint\:^)02:02
JaneWok our official time is up02:03
spaceythe guy or girl who administrators the edubuntu machine does02:03
ograspacey, but the teachers using it might have tech questions02:03
pips1sorry, guys, i need to run, I have a meeting!02:03
flintthanks all.  02:03
pips1good input though, thanks!02:03
JaneWpips1: ok thanks, I think a small forum is good02:03
ograspacey, and the students might rather have app related ones02:03
JaneWwe still need to decide what to put in it though02:03
flintYagisan, we might want to talk security. email flint@flint.com02:03
pips1cu next wed02:03
JaneWty02:03
Mezogra: you have the people who set it up and admin it - the teachers and the pupils/students02:03
ograciao pips1 and thanks02:03
spaceyogra: hmm yeah and i forget you can also do desktop installs02:03
JaneWthanks everyone02:03
Mezwhat an annoying setup02:03
ograspacey, yup02:04
JaneWand thanks for a better controlled discussion today02:04
flintsksk02:04
Yagisanflint: no worries. I'll add you to my contacts list02:04
spaceyJaneW: i think it was still quite messy ;p02:04
JaneWless bickering and general disruption :)02:04
JaneWspacey: I agree02:04
ograMez, the first two are often the same02:04
JaneWI said LESS02:04
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JaneWit;s a start02:04
spacey:D02:04
Mezogra true :D02:04
ograMez, and are rather teachers then techs02:04
=== JaneW is going to hire Seveas for next week's meeting
Seveasque?02:05
JaneWhe knows how to keep tight control of a mob02:05
spaceyJaneW: yeah he was spying on us anyway :P02:05
Seveasah02:05
JaneWheh02:05
Mezogra: thanks for fixing that bug up in xscreensaver btw - 02:05
Mezit was nice for it to throw off an edubuntu presentation02:05
ograwhich one ? i fixed a ton the last week :)02:05
Mez*sighs*02:05
JaneWSeveas: the edubuntu meetings are notoriously messy ;)02:05
Mezogra: the planet feed one02:05
ograah02:05
Mezwhere "wave your bullshit wand with me"02:05
ograthats not fixed yet :)02:05
Mezdecided to scroll across my screen during a presentation02:05
ograso be careful ...02:05
Mez:D02:05
cuscohi02:05
cuscohow about the meeting?02:06
cuscois dapper being delayed?02:06
ograSeveas, !!02:06
Riddell /mode +b cusco02:06
Seveascusco, that was yesterday - please see wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDelayMeetingSummary02:06
cuscook thanks02:07
Seveasogra/Riddell - relax - he's the first oen today02:07
cuscosorry I was away02:07
Seveasone*02:07
ograoki02:07
ograand we are done anyway i think02:07
Seveas(nice type - oen is dutch for stupid person ;))02:07
Kaja8D02:07
spaceyogra: where is that cebit.avi hosted? on a dsl line or?02:08
ogranope, a vserver i own ...02:08
ogramy play adound box ... with free traffic02:08
spaceyenough bandwith?02:08
ogra*around02:08
spaceywanted to blog about it for some extra exposure02:08
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ogradunno, i never stresstested it ...02:08
spaceybut don't want to rape some box02:09
spacey:p02:09
Riddellogra could put it on people.ubuntu.com02:09
spaceyalthough i'm not that popular :p02:09
ogrago ahaead, worst case i'll put it on people.u.c02:09
ograRiddell, its a good opportunity to test the vserver ;)+02:09
spaceyin my dreams that my blog is that popular you can stresstest :p02:10
ograso do we close ? 02:10
JaneWyes02:10
ograspacey, you are on planet, arent you ? 02:10
spaceynot yet02:10
JaneWyes02:10
Seveashe should be02:10
spaceyneed to poke jdub for that02:10
JaneWoh, I thought I saw you there?...02:10
ograyes02:10
ograspacey, DOIT !02:10
SeveasJaneW, he's on the dutch planet ;)02:10
ogradutch planet ? 02:10
ograhaha02:10
spaceyplanet ollanda02:10
ograyou are one of the smalles countries and have a planet ? :)02:11
JaneWspacey: ok, I def saw you somewhere, I must have been snooping around ;)02:11
ograbeware the dutch taking over the world :)02:11
Seveasogra, planet.ubuntu-nl.org is sometimes more filled than planet.ubuntu.com02:11
ograthats just because i never blog :)02:12
jdubpuc is slow02:14
jdubneed to encourage more members to join in the fun02:14
jdublike JaneW 02:14
ograyeah !02:15
spaceyjdub: can you add my blog? :)02:16
jdubspacey: please email me the rss feed url and link to a hackergotchi if you have one02:17
spaceyhttp://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey02:17
spacey:)02:17
spaceyok02:17
spaceyi'll find a poor soul to make a new hackergotchi first02:17
spacey:P02:18
Seveasspacey, treenaks is good at that02:18
spaceySeveas: sure? :P02:18
JaneWjdub: er do you actaully read my blog!?02:19
JaneWjdub: NSFW sometimes!02:19
ograJaneW, *i* would .... if it would show up on planet02:19
JaneWyeah but I actually have to face you guys a few times a year...02:20
JaneWI;d prefer not to be dying of embarassment at the time02:20
MezJaneW, lol - you should add it to planet :D I'm sure a few of us all say things on our blogs we regret02:24
Mezhence why I have a personal and a geeky blog02:24
neuralisJaneW: a bit of nsfw is exactly what planet needs. :)02:24
SeveasJaneW, what's the url of your blog?02:24
Mezneuralis, once xscreensaver is fixed ;)02:24
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MezSeveas, googling for it doesnt seem to work02:30
SeveasMez, I found that out already02:30
SeveasJaneW, !02:30
MezSeveas, though googling for it does list JaneW's Cellphone number02:31
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Seveasrofl02:32
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MezJaneW, lol - seriously - google your name and the word "blog" and goto page 202:32
Mezsomeone quoted an email in which you signed with your Cell # on the end02:32
JaneWer, is it safe?02:32
JaneWmy mobile is at the end of every message I send, so it's ALL over02:33
JaneWon the mailing lists and in release announcements etc02:33
SeveasJane 'JaneW' Weideman - The Project-Mistress with the Whip02:33
Mezlol02:33
Seveasbut still no blog ur02:33
Seveasurl even02:33
MezI guess you're not going to enlighten us JaneW ?02:34
JaneWMez: where's yours?02:35
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SeveasJaneW, planet Ubuntu ;)02:35
Mezhttp://www.sourceguru.net/02:35
MezI'm on planet ubuntu :d02:35
Mezscreen me?02:35
Mezo_O02:35
SeveasMez, full cavityi search02:35
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MezJaneW, all I have to say is "end point of order" :P02:36
JaneWthat whip page won;t open02:36
JaneWLOL02:36
JaneWMez: yes I remeber that game BROKE me02:36
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MezJaneW, I believe it broke EVERYONE....02:37
JaneW'also'!02:37
Mezyeah 02:37
Mezthat was insane02:37
Mez:D02:37
ograJaneW, thats \sh's blog, might be he cant pay for his server anymore02:37
JaneWheh, ok02:37
Mezthat reminds me02:37
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Seveas@quote add * JaneW SO needs to bring a whip to the next gathering02:38
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neuralisJaneW: +1.02:38
ograi cant reach him, tried after his last entry ...02:38
MezJaneW, that might even be reason for me to come to the next one :D02:38
ograbut seems he neither can pay his phone bill anymore02:38
JaneWogra: should we be worried?02:38
ograJaneW, i am a bit, yes02:39
JaneW...02:39
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neuralisJaneW: no changing the subject. we're still earnestly trying to coax the url of your blog out of you.02:40
JaneWneuralis: what kind of country is an educational institution?02:41
neuralisJaneW: in my case, one with a royally screwed up government :-D02:41
JaneWneuralis: Zimbabwe!02:42
neuralisJaneW: not quite, but most non-europeans have never heard of my country, so zimbabwe is close enough02:43
spaceyso what country is it02:47
spaceycould be any country02:47
neuralisoriginally croatia, though i'm in the US now02:48
spaceyaha02:48
spaceyi know that02:48
ograneuralis, btw, i had a guy who wanted to run 20 servers and 750 clients on edubuntu with clustering, i pointed him to you, did he approach you ? 02:49
neuralisogra: nope, didn't hear from him02:49
ograah, sad02:49
neuralishe wouldn't be able to (easily) do it02:49
neuralisat least not until we release openssi packages for dapper, which might be a while longer02:50
spaceyyou can use a load balancer though02:50
spaceyand spread the connections over servers02:51
neuralissure, but that's usually very messy02:51
neuralisspacey: google my name, first hit, click talks, then look at the slides of the presentation i gave at ltsp by the seaway on clustering ltsp02:52
neuralisin practice, simple load balancing turns out to be a massive pain02:52
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spaceyneuralis: can't read that02:55
spaceyits not english02:55
spaceyspanish02:56
neuraliswrong url.. let me look it up for you02:56
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Seveasspacey, learn spanish :02:56
ograspacey, Seveas will translate for you :)02:57
neuralisoh, i think he googled my irc nick instead of my name02:57
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ograyeah, whois is a helpful tool :)02:58
neuralisspacey: anyway, here: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~krstic/11-2005-clustering-ltsp.pdf02:58
spaceyactually i'm learning spanish02:58
spaceyi'm quite sure i googled your irc nick02:58
spaceytoo bad i missed that talk on UBZ02:59
neuralisspacey: right, i said google my name. anyway, i found the url, it's above, so no worries.02:59
spaceywhois is really difficult in gnomexchat02:59
spaceyyou need it type it :P02:59
ograspacey, unless yu right click the name, no ? 03:00
neuralisyou have to be able to right click the nick and get a context menu03:00
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spaceyogra: doesn't work03:00
ograneuralis, xchat-gnome might be different 03:00
spaceyxchat had it really nice indeed03:00
ograjust use that then :) 03:00
ograneither is in the ubuntu-desktop package anymore03:01
spaceyxchat gnome has it advantages03:01
spaceyreally?03:01
ograi cant see any ...03:01
ograapart from noisy notifications03:01
SeveasI tried chat-gnome - briefl03:01
Seveasy03:01
ograwe dont ship any chat program by default in dapper ... (apart from gaim)03:02
Seveasit's horrible :/03:02
ograyep03:02
SeveasI understand the switch to gnome-screensaver much bett than the switch to xchat-gnome ;)03:02
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ograheh03:03
ograme too, even if g-s-s is giving me the worst headaches evah03:03
spaceyi can remember that openssi stuff from ubz03:04
spaceysomeone came up with that quite at lot03:04
spaceymust have beeen neuralis :p03:05
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neuralisspacey: i discussed it in the clustering meeting, yes03:05
spaceyi remember it coming up quite a lot during BOFs03:05
neuralisreally? i didn't hear it mentioned outside of clustering-bof03:06
sivangSeveas: would it be possible to add to the topic the current meeting that is going on for those who like to pop in and out occasionaly? :-)03:07
ograthere is no meeting...03:08
ograwe just keep the channel warm for the next one :)03:08
Seveassivang, the channel is -t, anyone can add things to the topic03:08
spaceyneuralis: ah you work on hybserv as well?03:09
sivangSeveas: k, thanks.03:09
SeveasI could get ubugtu to speak webcal and update the topic03:09
Seveasthat would be fun03:10
sivangSeveas: tasty!03:10
sivangSeveas: frdige support webcam for it's events?03:10
neuralisspacey: yeah, in fact, hybserv's pretty exciting at the moment03:10
spaceyneuralis: does it have ldap support yet? :P03:11
spaceyneuralis: oh i see hybserv3 is completely in python? thats cute03:11
Seveassivang, yes03:11
SeveasI have it in my evolution03:11
neuralisspacey: well, we've just begun the rewrite, but the goal is that when we write it, you'll be easily able to hook in something like ldap support, if that floated your boat03:12
sivangSeveas: is it easy to connect to from evo?03:12
Seveasyeah, just add the fridge webcal url to the calendar03:13
spaceyneuralis: but i guess it will be a while before its finished?03:13
neuralisspacey: yes, we're still in super-early planning stages03:13
Seveassivang, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1029203:13
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sivangSeveas: cool, so http://fridge.ubuntu.com/webcal?03:15
Seveasical03:15
Seveashttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical03:15
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sivangokay, evo crashed when adding it03:16
Seveasrofl03:17
Seveasfile bug 03:17
neuralissivang: it's wednesday. evo crashes on wednesdays. it's a feature.03:17
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Seveashahahahahahahahaha03:17
Seveasneuralis, you can't duck - it's not safe with the avian flu flying around03:18
sivangogra: heh03:18
neuralisSeveas: i actually considered typing /me drakes, but i thought that would be way too nerdy even for this channel.03:18
Seveasno way03:18
Seveasmy first response was - hey, you should drake, not duck03:18
Seveasbut then I remembered the crap from ubuntu-devel this morning 03:19
neuralishah yeah03:19
Chousukehmm.03:19
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highvoltagehmmm... this channel is getting to warm03:19
highvoltagel8rs :)03:20
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sivangSeveas: okay, it's working now. slick03:20
sivangSeveas: thanks for the tip03:20
Seveas@load Webcal03:24
Seveas@config list plugins03:24
Seveassigh03:24
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Seveas@load Webcal03:25
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Ubugtu@Admin, @BanTracker, @Bugtracker, @Channel, @ChannelRelay, @Config, @DCC, @Exploitban, @Facrs, @Facts, @Fortune, @Mess, @Misc, @Owner, @Quote, @Quotes, @Seen, @User, @Webcal, and alwaysLoadImportant03:25
Seveas@config channel plugins.webcal.url http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical03:25
sivangSeveas: what, is it ready? how did you load it with it so fast?03:25
Seveas@config channel plugins.webcal.url03:25
Ubugtuhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical03:25
Seveassivang, what you just saw is the etent of its capabilites so far - loading a stub plugin and setting a config variable03:26
sivangSeveas: ah, I see. for that you already have biolerplate code?03:26
Seveasyeah, supybot is quite easy03:26
sivangSeveas: btw, could you do me a quick favor? see if you can sudo mount -o loop test.iso ./test_iso ?03:27
SeveasI just need to write the parser now and somehow find a timer03:27
sivangSeveas: or write a timer of your own03:27
Seveaswhere is test.iso?03:27
sivangSeveas: lemme put i online03:27
Seveasno, supybot has timers i think - just need to hook it up03:27
Seveasand make it non-intrusive 03:28
sivangSeveas: muse.19inch.net/~sivan/test.iso03:29
sivangwget it or something and then attemp to loop back mount it. are you on dapper btw?03:29
Seveasyes03:29
sivangokay, let's see then03:30
Seveasdennis@mirage:~$ mount -o loop test.iso test_iso/03:30
Seveasmount: only root can do that03:30
Seveasdennis@mirage:~$ sudo mount -o loop test.iso test_iso03:30
SeveasPassword:03:30
Seveasmount: Not a directory03:30
Seveastest_iso IS a directory..03:30
sivangyes it is03:31
sivangweird no?03:32
Seveasquite03:32
sivangdo you know any other way to mount a loop back device through the 'mount' command?03:33
Seveasstat64("/sbin/mount.iso9660", 0xbfa08fcc) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)03:33
Seveasmount("/dev/loop0", "./test_iso", "iso9660", MS_POSIXACL|MS_ACTIVE|MS_NOUSER|0xec0000, 0x8074f38) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory)03:33
Seveasnot really03:34
sivangI also stracd it lik ethis, and it didn't make sense. maybe a glibc bug?03:36
SeveasI have really no idea03:37
sivangokay, I made it work. stupid me:03:39
sivangsudo mount test.iso ./test.iso -o loop03:39
sivangthis is the correct form03:39
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sivangoh no03:42
sivangit was not03:42
Seveasshouldn't matter03:42
sivangsame dir problem again03:42
sivangyes , it shouldn't03:42
sivangbut that way itworked03:42
Seveasthe strace indicated that it took the correct paths03:42
sivangfor some weird reason03:42
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Seveas@reload webcal03:57
Seveas@reload webcal03:57
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Seveas@config channel plugins.webcal.topic Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | %s03:59
Seveas@config channel plugins.webcal.topic03:59
UbugtuCalendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | %s03:59
Seveasgood03:59
Seveasnow on to phase 3: doing something useful03:59
Seveas@reload WebCal04:07
Seveas@topic04:07
UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.04:07
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UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.04:07
Seveas@reload WebCal04:08
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UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.04:08
Seveasah feck04:09
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simirahuh04:11
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simirawhat is the status of the delay-issue?04:14
Seveassee http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDelayMeetingSummary04:14
simirawhat is IndLinux?04:15
SeveasIndian Linux distro04:15
Seveas@quit04:15
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simiraright...04:17
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Seveaswoohoo04:33
Seveas@topic04:33
UbugtuCalendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 16 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu Meeting | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board Meeting | 29 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 30 Mar 02:00 UTC: (1 more message)04:33
Seveasnow to hook that up04:33
Seveas@more04:36
UbugtuDapper Development Status Meeting04:36
sivang@topic04:36
UbugtuCalendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 16 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu Meeting | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board Meeting | 29 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 30 Mar 02:00 UTC: (1 more message)04:36
sivangcoool04:36
Seveas@more sivang04:36
sivang@more04:36
UbugtuDapper Development Status Meeting04:36
SeveasI'm trimming it to the next 6 items on the agenda 04:37
sivangyes, makes sense04:37
Seveasnow to figure out how to update the topic04:37
Seveas(ie: retrieve current topic, and only change if different)04:37
Seveas@reload WebCal04:39
Seveas@topic04:39
UbugtuCalendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 16 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu Meeting | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board Meeting04:39
UbugtuCalendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 17 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC:  Technical Board Meeting04:39
Seveasright, one step closer04:40
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Seveas@topic04:40
UbugtuCalendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 16 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu Meeting | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu Meeting | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status Meeting | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board Meeting04:40
Ubugtubogus04:40
Seveas@reload WebCal04:42
Seveas@reload WebCal04:42
Seveas@load WebCal04:42
Seveas@topic04:42
UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.04:42
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Seveas@topic04:42
UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.04:42
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 16 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
MarioMeyernice feature :P04:43
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Seveaswill be nicer04:45
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Fracturea nice feature will be a command that allows showing that info in a specific timezone .. like @topic Australia/Brisbane ;)04:47
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SeveasFracture, very nice04:48
SeveasI'll add that04:48
Seveas@reload WebCal04:49
Fracture:)04:49
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SeveasUbugtu, you creep04:49
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robotgeekSeveas: having fun, eh04:50
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Seveas<Ubugtu> The topic of #ubuntu-meeting is managed by me and filled with the contents of http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical - please don't change manually04:50
Seveashe spits that in private msg 04:50
Seveasok, now to hook up a timer04:51
sivangSeveas: beware not to create a monser :) mUHHA04:51
Seveassivang, if it goes out of control i'll send robotgeek to catch him04:51
robotgeekheh04:52
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Seveas@topic04:53
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 16 Mar 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 16 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
Seveas@topic04:53
Seveasgood04:53
robotgeeksweet04:53
Seveasit would be very annoying if it would change the topic to the same text over and over04:53
robotgeekheh, trigger bot maybe?04:54
SeveasI want to make it change the topic every n minutes if it needs to be changed04:55
robotgeekyeah, the would work reasonably well also. 04:55
sivangSeveas: hheh04:56
robotgeeki came to find out when the super meeting would be CC + TB04:56
sivangSeveas: wow, we would have super bot!04:56
sivangrobotgeek: when??04:56
sivangrobotgeek: and who told you?04:57
oREDanybody has the dapper_flight5 .torrent to send me? the link in website is broken04:57
robotgeeksivang: i came to find that out04:57
sivangrobotgeek: ah04:57
sivangheh04:57
oREDamd 64 dapper_flight5 .torrent ok04:57
oREDhehe04:57
robotgeekoRED: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-504:58
oREDrobotgeek its broken, the link for dapper 64 .torrent04:58
robotgeekoRED: what do you mean broken? it works for me04:59
robotgeekoRED: the torrent file, i.e04:59
oRED[robotgeek] : when try to download it, comes the iso file note the torrent file05:00
oRED[robotgeek] : when try to download it, comes the iso file not the torrent file05:00
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robotgeekoRED: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-5/dapper-install-amd64.iso.torrent05:01
oREDrobotgeek its broken05:01
robotgeekoRED: it downloads the torrent file for me, i don't know what you are talking about05:02
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oREDrobotgeek can you send the torrent for me?05:02
oREDit is about 50kb05:02
robotgeekoRED: are you saying that it doesn't download for you?05:03
oREDrobotgeek sorry for my english05:04
oREDrobotgeek i'm saying that it points to the .iso file05:04
robotgeekoRED: no, it doesn't 05:05
oREDrobotgeek it begins downloading the iso and not the torrent05:05
robotgeekoRED: no, it just downloads the torrent, no the iso. 05:05
oREDrobotgeek could you please download it for me and send me it05:05
robotgeekoRED: http://rapidshare.de/files/15572683/dapper-install-amd64.iso.torrent.html05:06
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oREDrobotgeek now it works! thanks a lot!!!05:07
oREDbut as I said, this link before points to the .iso file05:08
robotgeekoRED: that is the point of a torrent file05:08
oRED[robotgeek] : but that link should point me the .torrent05:10
oREDso I could use my torrent client to download it05:10
robotgeekoRED: it does point to the torrent05:10
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oREDnot here05:10
oREDmy firefox begins downloading the .iso05:11
oREDwho haves 656mb05:11
oREDor something like05:11
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Seveasmoo05:13
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UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.05:14
Seveasmoo05:15
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Seveasabsolute madness05:15
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sivang@more05:18
Seveas@reload WebCal05:18
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Seveas@reload WebCal05:29
Seveasnow to get the funkiness going05:29
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UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.05:34
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Seveas@topic05:36
UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.05:36
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UbugtuError: I tried to send you an empty message.05:37
xhakerHooch is crazy.. or should i say.. Ubungtu05:37
Seveashehe05:37
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Seveasnow to find out how bad my code is05:39
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xhakerUbugtu is coded in which language?05:39
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Seveasodd, the crapy thing gets completely wedged :/05:47
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sivangSeveas: where does it say the current meeting?06:29
SeveasThat's not yet implemented06:30
Seveasit's not all that obvious either06:30
SeveasI'm thinking about a 5-min timer that sets the current meeting 10 minutes before the start and removes it 30 minutes past the end06:31
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Seveasbut first time to make dinner 06:33
MarioMeyer:P Seveas is having some fun w/ his supybot today.. :P06:35
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dAndySeveas: using twisted?06:41
SeveasdAndy, yeah06:46
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sivangSeveas: yes, I also made to prepare dinner06:59
sivangSeveas: cool, this makes much more sense that what I said06:59
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fstathello07:02
fstatcan anyone help me with a little post-installation prob. I have?07:02
Seveasnot in here - this is a meeting channel. #ubuntu is for support07:03
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sabdflKamion: ping08:05
sabdflmako: ping08:05
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Kamionsabdfl: hi, here now08:13
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sabdflalrighty08:15
sabdflKeybuk: ping08:15
sabdflmjg59: ping08:15
mjg59sabdfl: Hi08:15
mdzok08:15
Keybuksabdfl: present08:15
sabdflgreat, that's TB + CC sans mako, right?08:15
Keybukelmo is here?08:16
sabdflcan we circle around and get final +1, -1 and dates views on the delay proposal?08:16
sabdflelmo's *here*08:16
mdzelmo is here08:16
sabdfltried to reach mako08:16
Kamioncan we have a summary of the TB's provisional decisions from last night's meeting, please?08:16
sabdflnot much notice, but did try to reach him08:16
Keybuklast night at the TB we drew up:08:16
Keybukhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed08:16
Keybukas requested on the agenda08:17
mdzI read over the log08:17
Keybukthis was a provisional schedule proposal based on a 6-week slip08:17
mdzand you were considering the same sorts of things that I was08:17
mjg59As far as the documentation freeze goes, we're keen on knowing what the doc team think08:17
Keybukit moves BetaRelease to the April 20th date previously given to FinalRelease08:17
Keybuk(so 5 weeks until Beta)08:17
sabdfllooks good, beta goes back 4 week,s release 608:17
Keybukand places FinalRelease on June 1st08:17
mdzI'm happy with the slewed schedule as it stands08:18
KeybukBeta goes back 5, Release 508:18
KamionI'm content with the slewed schedule08:18
KeybukMarch has a cunning 5th week, just to surprise you <g>08:18
elmoMaybe May 31st would be better on a lame psychological level?08:18
mdzsneaky08:18
sabdflgood idea to get signoff on doc freeze from them, i don't think that affects anyone else08:18
elmothen it's 2006.05 rathenr than 2006.0608:18
mdzelmo is channeling silbs08:18
sabdflelmo: mad s/6.05/6.06/run on the 31st...08:18
Keybukelmo: May 31st would get timezone arguments about whether it was 05 or 06 depending on how much time it took to prepare -- at least declaring it 06 is safer08:18
KamionMay 30th would be an alternative08:19
Keybukplus gives us a headache if it slips a day, as we'd have to sed the entire thing08:19
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Kamionwhich is a Tuesday08:19
KamionI think I prefer releasing later in the week though08:19
Kamionmore concentrated time right beforehand for testing08:19
sabdflthursday?08:19
Kamion1st June's a Thursday08:20
KamionThu is fine by me, we've done that before and it leaves us a day of the work week in case it goes tits-up08:20
mdzthursday is what we have been doing and it works well08:20
sabdflany other thoughts? or +1 -1 on 1 June 200*6*08:20
mdz+108:21
elmo0 because I'm still half channeling silbds08:21
Keybukthere's a question about what we do with the extra time;  I have an INBOX full of screaming demands for Network Manager 0.6 to support WPA -- is that the kind of thing that's valid or exempt for the extra time?08:21
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Keybuk(my reason for not doing the update so far was simply "not enough time to test before release")08:22
Kamion+0; I'm still concerned about the Parkinson's Law effect that pushing the freeze back is demonstrably having (see Keybuk's question), but I'm mollified by (a) extra time to keep the troops in line (b) sane-sounding plans for a short dapper+1 release08:22
sabdflKeybuk: we can discuss exceptions, i've discussed that one with mdz08:22
mdzand I mailed Keybuk earlier today about it08:22
sabdflok08:23
Keybukthe question's still valid though ... if I reword it slightly -- what will we use the extra time for?08:23
sabdflon my list of please-pleases are X fallback for live cd install sanity, WPA, and [NM] 08:23
KeybukI wasn't aware that dapper was in a "bad state" of buggyness08:23
sabdflthat's IT08:23
mdzKeybuk: this was outlined in sabdfl's email proposing a delay08:23
mdzsabdfl: dude, you forgot localization08:24
mjg59We have the minor problem that X, well, doesn't work08:24
sabdfli do't mind if WPA is done by community without NM08:24
Seveas(WPA+NM needs driver patches too)08:24
MithrandirWPA in general does work without NM, though08:24
Keybukare we likely to send people through the bug tracking system, with a "you must triage N bugs a day" kind of work?  or it is just "6 more weeks of whatever you're doing now?"08:24
mdzcan we not have the WPA discussion right now?08:24
Seveassorry08:24
mdzwe're not here to debate new dapper features08:25
sabdfllets just say "lots more bug work" than how it will happen, mdz's call08:25
KamionI had a question last night which I'm not sure was answered08:25
Kamion(can't remember)08:25
sabdfllong day, kamion :-)08:25
Kamionare we planning to explicitly allocate developer time to trawling through parts of the bug system that they would not ordinarily visit (i.e. outside their usual package maintenance) to add general bug-fixing polish?08:25
Kamionwe haven't really been doing that since warty/hoary or so, and I think it shows in some places08:26
mdzKamion: yes08:26
Kamionok, thanks, quick answer :)08:26
sabdflTB call IMO08:26
mjg59That suits me. I'm going to have little time over the next few weeks (possibly months)08:26
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mdzmjg59: we seem to have a number of interesting laptop-related bugs...08:26
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mdzany other questions from TB or CC members?08:27
mjg59mdz: Yes. I'm entirely unable to keep on top of them right now.08:27
Keybukfrom me, a 0 if it's just a 6 week delay;  a +1 if time and effort is deliberately spent to mine malone for bugs; and blow the dust off those that have sat unconfirmed for too long08:27
OverCrafthello08:27
mjg59I'm with keybuk on this08:27
mdzOverCraft: there is a meeting in progress08:27
sabdfl+1 on dedicated bug time08:28
sabdflperhaps that shoudl go in the schedule?08:28
Keybuka delay on its own pretty much balances for positives and negatives;  a delay to do something new like that would be a good thing I think08:28
mjg59Providing the time does actually go into ensuring that we have a better distribution, I'll go with that08:28
sabdfl2 weeks, three weeks?08:28
mjg59Bug fixing time doesn't impact on the dates of the documentation freezes, right?08:28
Kamionbug fixing would have to respect freezes08:29
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mjg59Leaving a bigger gap between doc freeze and release gives more time for translations08:29
Kamionif it gets into major documentable changes or string changes or UI changes or what have you, it'd be subject to those08:29
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mjg59But I'd still like to hear more from the doc team and translaters08:29
sabdfli think the "mark works on foundation business with cell phone and irc switched off so no new requests can be made" phase can be explicit in the schedule08:29
Kamionthe current slewed schedule is the same as the old one in that regard, right?08:30
mdzI'd rather not debate the specifics of the release schedule; that's not TB+CC sort of material08:30
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sabdfl+1 from me on the slewed schedule, with TB free to work out specifics08:30
mdz+1 exactly08:30
mjg59Ok08:31
sabdflso we have:08:31
sabdfl  mdz +108:31
sabdfl keybuk +108:31
sabdfl  mjg59 +108:31
sabdfl elmo 008:31
sabdfl sabdfl +108:31
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Kamion(erm, +008:31
Kamion)08:31
sabdflsome with caveats on dedicated cleanup and bug time08:31
mdzlast I saw was +0 from Kamion08:31
sabdflsorry, kamion +008:31
Kamionbut even so, that's 4/7, no negatives so far08:31
sabdflanything we can do to tip the 0's in favour?08:32
Kamionmy reading of mako's position last night was generally positive, though don't want to put words into his mouth08:32
elmoI'll de-channel and revote as +108:32
mdzwe can exorcise Jane from elmo08:32
sabdflvague sounds of "...you all" waft in the air08:32
KamionI can lean towards Keybuk's position on deliberately mining for bugs; my remaining concern is burnout due to extended crunch-mode for release08:33
Keybuk(says the guy buggering off to debconf for two of the weeks <g>)08:33
Kamionthat was somewhat addressed last night, though; I think we'll need to acknowledge that we will get more like four weeks' extra work than six08:33
Kamionif that's acceptable, then +108:33
sabdflkamion: what about a long weekend (3 days) over debconf for everyone08:34
sabdfldedicated R&R time08:34
Kamionwe've done that before (warty preview release, right?) and it worked well08:34
sabdflok, let's do that08:35
Kamionhopefully we can make the beta release not take too much time and energy; we're getting better at these08:35
Keybukwhen is debconf week?08:35
sabdflban * form #canonical and related channels08:36
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KamionKeybuk: May 14th-22nd08:36
sabdflit would be better, sooner08:36
sabdflfolkswere aiming to peak mid-April08:36
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Kamionhow about shortly after the beta, then?08:36
sabdflfine by me08:36
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sabdflafter beta flood is handled08:36
Kamionright08:37
sabdfldistro team only?08:37
KeybukApril 14-16 ?  that means freeze, relax, fix bugs next week before Release08:37
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mdz_that'd be the weekend after RC08:37
mdz_er, where RC would have been...08:38
mdz_probably the last pre-beta Flight that week08:38
sabdflok, can TB settle this?08:38
sabdflkamion, do we get +1?08:38
KamionI think I'm persuaded, yes08:38
Kamion+108:38
sabdfli've agreed to the time off for canonical distro team, up to TB to decide when that will have best effect08:39
Kamion6/7, no mako08:39
sabdflok08:39
elmoshall I try channeling mako?08:39
sabdflthank you! i'm very sorry not to have called the original schedule better, and i really appreciate your support on this08:39
Kamionelmo: go on, it'll be funny08:39
sabdflKamion: if you could only hear08:39
Kamionwho'll put together the announcement? we should do that quickly, since the word will be getting out soon enough anyway08:40
mdz_sabdfl: I think I get to take credit for that error, actually08:40
sabdflshared grief08:40
sabdflok, we know for next time we do an LS release08:40
xhakerLS?08:40
sabdfli'll draft something up tomorrow and circle it round CC/TB?08:40
sabdfl"long support"08:40
mdz_ok08:40
Kamionxhaker: long-term support, or some such08:40
mjg59Ok08:40
Keybukisn't LS the badge they put on the back of the cheap and nasty Ford Escorts? :)08:40
sivanglol08:41
sabdflKeybuk: you'd know08:41
Kamionsabdfl: works for me08:41
sabdflok. well handled and thanks for the very good process08:41
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mdz_good night, ubuntuland08:41
sabdflwe're there yet08:41
sabdflKeybuk: ^^08:42
Keybuk??08:42
sabdfl"are we there yet"-ster08:42
sabdflnight all08:42
Keybukg'nite08:42
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ogramdz_, night08:43
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xhakersivang: you slacker, you dislike meetings?08:43
Seveasno, sivang wants to pla with Ubugtu :08:43
sivanghehe08:43
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Seveasanyway, now the meeting is over I'll work on your feature request08:44
sivangxhaker: not at all, but I'm working in the background and it's hard to hack while trying to keep track :)08:44
sivangSeveas: yay!!08:44
Seveasunfortunately I have to test in here 08:44
sivangSeveas: I owe you a beer when we meet08:44
Seveashehe08:45
xhakerby the way call 6-10 (Edgy Eagle) - and say it like Zach Braff does on Scrubs08:45
SeveasEdgy Elephant08:45
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xhakerSeveas: i want that ascii08:45
Seveasbecause it'll be heavy08:45
xhakerEdgy Elephant was my gf bet :(08:46
spaceyis it that heavy weight?08:46
SeveasI'll merge my wikipage with names with the Ubuntu wiki soon08:46
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spaceymy favourite is still wifebeater wombat08:46
spaceybut i guess that one will never make it :p08:47
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MithrandirSeveas: can we whine at you to test in an empty channel, or is that painful?09:47
Seveasyeah, then i'd have to shuffle lots f code around09:47
SeveasI've been testing the parts that don't require this channel elsewhere09:47
Seveas(you wouldn't want to see that place)09:47
Mithrandirheh, ok.09:48
Seveasthere are some evil quirks in supybot09:48
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Bonzodogsupybot is fun...I have one in another channel09:50
Seveasit's quite nice09:50
BonzodogI have a friend who wrote her own bot09:51
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Qballher?09:52
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Bonzodogyup, a female hardcore unix geek09:52
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Seveasnice09:58
Seveasvery nice even09:58
SeveasHad to throw in a lambda09:59
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SeveasUbugtu, what the hell?09:59
xhakerit's autonomous now10:00
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Seveasweird10:05
Seveasit uses the SAME function to determine the new topic10:05
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Seveascase sensitivity--10:07
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ubijtsaSeveas: a lambda? It's written in Lisp ??10:34
Seveaspython10:34
ubijtsaah, less obscene :)10:35
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SeveasYES!10:50
Seveasmission completed, only one more topic change to go10:50
ajmitchgood10:50
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Seveasstupid supybot timers got annoying10:51
Seveassorry for all the spam in here 10:51
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