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Vista's instant search and MacOS X Spotlight? 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[01:03] jelkner: you here for long? [01:03] 30 minutes [01:03] can we start with tech, or do we need to start with docs? [01:04] then students come [01:04] tech update: made flight 5 :) thats all [01:04] ok docs first [01:04] hi all [01:04] ogra: you not getting off that lightly! :P [01:04] my ubuntu tasks are taking all my time currently ... [01:04] things are moving forward with the cookbook [01:04] jelkner: \o/ [01:04] JaneW, i didnt do more :) [01:04] and now we have an extra 6 weeks, yes? === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:04] is the 6 weeks decided yet? [01:05] I don't think so [01:05] jelkner, we're discussing a 6 week delay, if and only if we would do that, the doc deadline would move [01:05] but I missed the TB last night [01:05] TB had nothing to decide [01:05] i thought that was discussed yesterday [01:05] there hasn;t been a definite call either way yet AFAIK [01:05] jelkner: it was discussed [01:05] we made the proposal for a new schedule *if* we postpone [01:05] at length [01:05] the decision is still pending though [01:06] (we == TB in that case) [01:06] for edubuntu that would be *great* [01:06] nope [01:06] not really [01:06] JaneW, I will find out. [01:06] it's a fairly strong possibility though [01:06] yes, really [01:06] we can not change our goals [01:06] edubuntu is ready and on track for releasing april 20th [01:06] a june yearly release is what we need [01:06] no new features will be accepted [01:06] there is nothing i can do anyway ... [01:06] i understand [01:06] but the june release date would be better for the future [01:06] only exceptions for thing that were meant to be in anyway, like espresso and l10n [01:07] the freezes will stay (apart from ui freeze for polish) so there is not much edubuntu gains [01:07] jelkner: it's a once of change [01:07] s/of/off [01:07] it would be back to April next year [01:07] and it will only this one release that will change it [01:07] why? [01:07] the dapper+1 release will be back on schedule for oct [01:07] this will give use time to make "dapper docs" :^) [01:07] flint: yes it would [01:07] so in fact its very bad, since we wont likely get localdevices in oct either [01:08] why april? [01:08] (time for dapper+1 is to short for big changes) [01:08] for edubuntu, a june release is *much* better [01:08] ok we can't argue whether it should or shouldn't happen - here. The town halls were held, and the TB and CC will weigh in and a decision will be made [01:08] jelkner, yes. but its ontly a one tier [01:08] we will have to deal with it either way [01:08] and cripples the next release [01:08] *timer === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:09] jelkner: edubuntu is married to the ubuntu release. It can't get divorced. [01:09] can we get back to the cookbook stuff? :p [01:09] i understand [01:09] ogra: unless you have time to start on it pre Dapper release? But I guess not, since you get sucked into ubuntu work? [01:09] from a ubuntu perspective its fine, from an edubuntu perspective i'm very unhappy [01:09] so i was hoping this june thing would become permanent [01:09] JaneW, yep [01:09] jelkner: well it won't - sorry [01:09] see my tech update above :) [01:09] ok so back to the cookbook [01:09] we MAY havenmore time [01:09] screensaver will draw my time the next weeks .. [01:10] which will assist with completeing the cookbook [01:10] i think we need another call for more writers. [01:10] jelkner: that cookbook worksheet still has emty status columns. [01:10] we can;t count on it until the decision is made though... [01:10] quite hard to determine what has to be done [01:10] jelkner: you said it is going well...? [01:10] if we postpone, i might have spare time after april 20th ... [01:10] yes, we have recipes on backup [01:10] edubuntu may be married to ubuntu, but ubuntu is staying out late... we do not know it may become permanent. [01:11] flint, it wont [01:11] we know [01:11] jelkner: cookbook update please... [01:11] and another one coming on content filtering [01:11] flint, instead dapper+1 will only have 4.5 months for development [01:11] and one more on multimedia stuff in the works [01:11] and we'll have to cut down features a lot [01:11] jelkner: what software do you offer in the content filtering? [01:12] jelkner: another what on content filtering? I don't follow? [01:12] squid guard and dan's guardian [01:12] JaneW: cookbook part [01:12] jelkner: oh recipes [01:12] yes, recipes [01:12] great, sounds good :) [01:12] but the basic ingredients are still not there [01:12] spacey ? [01:12] jelkner: is the end in sight yet? or is the task still monumental? [01:12] the basic stuff [01:12] of the cookbook [01:12] what is the backup one using ? [01:12] is missing [01:13] spacey, yes, but the concept is there! === ogra hopes not mondo/mindi [01:13] JaneW: the "end" of a cookbook is *never* reached ;-) [01:13] its really fancy you write up stuff like content filtering but if you dont cover proper installation i think you miss your point [01:13] we just keep collecting recipes as we go [01:13] jelkner: that's encouraging ;) [01:13] jelkner: sounds like a Harry Potter book :P [01:13] ogra, i agree that mondo/mindi is a bit rough... but what are the alternatives? [01:13] lol [01:13] jelkner: but we get to a 'can be published' point at some stage I hope? [01:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet <-- still empty [01:14] spacey: good point [01:14] JaneW, you knew I would get my HP licks into this eh? [01:14] JaneW: me, too, but let's cross that bridge when we come to it [01:14] flint, jelkner, sivang is developing a backup tool that should hit universe these days and will be the official backup solution for dapper+1 [01:14] please talk to him [01:14] jelkner: I was just wondering if we know how far away that bridge is...? [01:14] ogra: if mdz allows it in. It's a bit late. [01:14] JaneW, universe [01:15] ogra: yup [01:15] ogra, that is worth knowing, thanks. got any info or a url beyond this? [01:15] mondo/mindi is nothing i like to have in the cookbook [01:15] JaneW: as you can see from what ogra just said, we are writing a desciption of a moving target [01:15] it requires to compile kernel stuff and uses incompatible kernels [01:15] i'm not so sure publication off the web is such a good idea [01:15] things change too fast [01:15] nothing we should do to teachers [01:15] dapper doesn't change [01:15] an on the web cookbook is more useful because it is easier to keep up to date [01:16] ogra, one of the most unsettling things abou the cookbook, it that it is there for the users, and many parts will not please developers. [01:16] jelkner, moving target ? the backup spec was developed in motreal ... [01:16] flint: what part will not please developers? [01:16] ogra: is that ready to go now? [01:16] flint: I don't see that as a problem [01:16] flint, mondo/mindi is a high level administrator tool ... nothing for teachers/user [01:16] I think the book is more for the users [01:16] we can only write "recipes" for what works [01:16] jelkner, please talk to sivang [01:17] devs know how to find and ask for info [01:17] users don;t, so an compiled book for them to read is best for them [01:17] ogra, I am on sivang, how do I dig him up? [01:17] ogra: what is sivang's email? [01:17] flint, he is on IL time, usually in #ubuntu-devel [01:17] jelkner: i don't see any moving targets or stuff that doesn't work at all in the cookbookworksheet. but its still almost empty [01:17] should we be writing the cookboook to specs? was the backup spec in montreal targeted at dapper or dapper+1? [01:18] spacey: than pick a recipe and write it! ;-) [01:18] jelkner: i did [01:18] good [01:18] jelkner, flint, sivan@piware.de [01:18] thanks! [01:18] but i can't write all [01:18] excellent [01:18] that's how the cookbook will get filled in [01:18] spacey: indeed [01:18] you can only do what you have time for [01:18] this is a volunteer effort [01:19] jelkner: agreed [01:19] so we can only take what comes [01:19] kjcole, jelkner i remember last week you wanted to fill in the status column of the worksheet so we have a better understanding of the status and the work to be done [01:19] even if the tool isnt ready, please dont promote mondo/mindi as a default (its good to have it in a *very advanced* section thjough) [01:19] spacey: yes, we couldn't meet last sunday [01:19] jelkner: it would help to have the status column populated, can you do that? [01:19] ogra, the nice thing abou this user cookbook framework is that ther is a plug-ability to it. unplug one reciepe and plug in another... [01:19] jelkner: when that status stuff is there its easier to ask other people to contribute since its more clean what still needs to be done [01:20] ogra: we feel some solution is better than none, even if it is not ideal [01:20] jelkner: it would help for volunteers wanting to help to see where input is needed [01:20] the cookbook is aimed at end users [01:20] That's why the worksheet is there. [01:20] jelkner: yes I agree [01:20] when sivan has a receipe that works we put it in the cookbook. [01:20] it could provide solutions that are not really ready for prime time, but which are essential to solviing folks problems in the present [01:21] jelkner: can you and kjcole fill in the status? or send it to me in a mail and I can do it on the wiki... [01:21] so it will change as better solutions come available [01:21] jelkner, flint, the default reciepe should be a good explanation to set up tar/cronjobs/cdrecord and some scripts ... please dont provide users with rocket science if they only need a bycicle [01:21] kjcole: can we agree to do that this weekend? [01:21] i agree that mondo/mindi is a good thing for people who are unix admins since some years [01:22] ogra: you don't need to fear that [01:22] great :) [01:22] jelkner, sounds good [01:22] one big advantage i have is that i'm not nearly smart enough for rocket science [01:22] I would say the point of the cookbook is to 1) Help USERS to understand Edubuntu, and how it is set up and works and [01:22] if i can understand, chances are most other people can too [01:22] 2) to reduce the support requirements, but fullfilling point #1 [01:22] JaneW, but since some of our users need to be the admins as well, it gets a bit blurry === pips1 finally caught up with the discussion [01:23] hi [01:23] ogra: true, but admins may not need it [01:23] so we should provide the easiest ways to achieve the tasks ... [01:23] ogra: someone who KNOWS can always find the info elsewhere, so if the info is a bit beneither them it's ok [01:23] we can't cater for everyone [01:23] yep === Klaidas [n=klaidas@ctv-84-55-6-137.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:24] ok, so with all that said, is it going ok jelkner and kjcole ? [01:24] yes [01:24] i think it is [01:24] excellent! Thank-you :) [01:25] I have faith that it's going to ROCK [01:25] cya next week then, same time, same channel... [01:25] thanks [01:25] bye [01:25] kjcole: jelkner: need some docs on securing edubuntu ? [01:25] Yagisan: how do you mean? [01:26] Yagisan, if written with teachers in mind, sure. Why not? (Just keep the intended audience in mind. Many who may be a bit timid about Linux.) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:26] jelkner: securing against malicious users etc. I can't find server security in your cookbook draft [01:26] jelkner, Yagisan is security cionsultant [01:26] Yagisan: i don't think the Edubuntu cookbook can go much further then setting proper limits.conf [01:27] Yagisan: thanks for offer to help, can you and jelkner discuss in #e or the mailing list? [01:27] I can assist with basic documentation in that area === rgomes [n=ricardo@200.222.15.249] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [01:27] I'll be in #edubuntu If you'd like it [01:27] Yagisan: any doc help would be greatfully accepted [01:27] Yagisan, my deepest condolences on your profession of being a security consultant. I have don this. [01:27] gratefully too [01:27] great, now i need to get ready for the arrival of the munchgins... [01:28] ok, so flight 5 is out [01:28] how's it looking? [01:28] ogra, what is the url for flight 5? I would like to test it. [01:29] flint, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu [01:29] ogra: did the announcement page get updated? [01:29] flint, the latest link to a dev release is always in the #edubuntu channel topic [01:30] JaneW, there were not enough noticeable changes imho, and Mithrandir already covered edubuntu in his announcement === pips1 updated the links in the above wiki page [01:30] pips1, thanks, I just did not have it handy, Olli, I had a feeling you had it in the same place... [01:30] flint, if i release a flight i update the topic immediately [01:30] so safest is to look there [01:30] ogra: I saw Mithrandir's announcement linked to edubuntu too [01:30] yep [01:31] ogra, gotcha, and now i see it. [01:31] ok === theoddon1 [n=hgibson@hgibson.ee.sun.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:31] ogra: so there aren't many changes [01:31] flint also http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/ [01:31] bug fixes? [01:31] ogra, re flight5, did you mainly fix that manual update ssh keys step, or where there other changes too? === licio [n=licio@licio.estaminas.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:32] JaneW, only small ones and the one that required you to run ltsp-update-sshkeys after install .... [01:32] so currently it should work as breezy did ... [01:32] wrt install [01:32] ok [01:32] ogra, do you think that will fix the login bug? [01:32] it does [01:33] what else need to be done? [01:33] ogra, excellent!!! [01:33] artwork [01:33] are you more or less done with the dev now? [01:33] i need some days time to jump on the artwork [01:33] you mentioned colours not working well...? [01:33] yes, only bugfixing ... [01:33] ogra: cool, well done [01:33] they are still adjusted in ubuntu, lets see what comes out [01:34] ogra, are the bugfixes mainly stuff that can be seen in launchpad, or do you have a list of bugs of your own? [01:34] i get ltsp fixes from debian, our ltsp package was added to debian testing yesterday [01:34] thats very helpful ... [01:34] ogra: ok, just keep an eye on it, cos breezy edubuntu looked good (even if a small minority doesn't think so), so we need to make sure we are distinctive [01:35] pips1, usually i encounter the bugs locally and fix them immediately :) [01:35] ic [01:35] pips1, there are only 2 or 3 user reported bugs in LP [01:35] (for ltsp) [01:35] ogra: not sure if that is efficient or lazy ;) [01:35] *joking* [01:36] JaneW, give that man a break! [01:36] JaneW, very efficient, but it misses out user bugs ... but unless i get reports i have nothing to fix [01:36] ah! [01:36] ogra: agreed [01:36] ogra, how is malone working out on your end? [01:36] pips1: I think he knows it was said in jest :) [01:36] so either ltsp is perfectly bugfree or users are shy :) === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:36] ok, sure :-) [01:36] flint, great using it daily [01:36] ogra, or no one is testing... [01:37] ogra, that is what I thought... no more bugzilla at all. === JaneW was a little concerned about Burgrundavia's comments, but that's a bit OT [01:37] since bugzilla is nonexistent it would be hard to use it :) [01:37] ogra: I think we must post more calls for testing on the mailing list [01:38] It is out there, just not for this. [01:38] speaking of which we need to discuss the mailing list name [01:38] lets just call it edubuntu ... [01:38] ogra, +1 [01:38] does everyone agree we should change the 'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu' [01:38] yup [01:38] ok, so how does that happen? [01:39] as per that mail to the list? [01:39] JaneW, jdub === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:39] he needs to create the new one ... then we need to subscribe everyone from -devl to it [01:39] does everyone have to update their saved address only? [01:39] change or add a new list? [01:39] then we can delete -devel [01:39] jdub, name channge [01:39] would it be useful to keep devel for those discussions? [01:40] jdub: the proposal is to change 'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu' [01:40] we want it to be edubuntu instead of edubuntu-devel [01:40] since ppl are scared to post on 'devel' [01:40] and its not really a devel channel anyway :p [01:40] the rough standard we currently have would suggest edubuntu-users - how's that? [01:40] jdub, not really the terffic is low enough for both ... [01:40] and it's an all purpose list as our community is small still [01:40] +1 edubuntu-devel -> edubuntu [01:40] jdub, it shall cover devel as well as users, so calling it -users might be confudsing [01:41] jdub: we would splity into devel and users if the traffic grows enough to warrant it. [01:41] ogra: you and I have the same speed-typing bug ;) [01:41] heh [01:42] jdub: so what's the verdict? [01:42] I'd like to talk a bit about the website... [01:42] pips1: yes, that's on my list [01:43] ok, can i suggest we create an edubuntu-users list, subscribe everyone to it, and you guys can carry out most discussion there, until you need to start pushing stuff over to -devel? i don't want to be doing things out of standard, particularly when it's going to change again (hopefully soon) === pips1 waits for his queue [01:43] jdub: ok, I can live with that [01:43] ogra: ?^ [01:43] hmm === jdub tries very hard to keep consistency :-) [01:44] does it really need to be -users ? [01:44] hmm too [01:44] ok, then i'd opt for having -users and -devel rather [01:44] ++ [01:44] even if it doesnt make sense with the amount of traffic [01:45] ogra: we can push them to the same mail folder... [01:45] sure [01:45] ogra: by not doing -users, it means we're inconsistent now, and when you decide to split, it's far less likely that people would want to rename, so we'd be permanently inconsistent :) [01:45] you gonna subscribe everyone on both lists? [01:45] or move everyone to users [01:45] spacey: hrm... [01:45] and let them subscribe to devel again?:P [01:45] yup, move everyone to users and let ppl sub to devel if they want to... [01:45] (kubuntu had both lists to start too) [01:45] spacey, everyone to both and leave it up to them to unsubscribe from one ? [01:46] ogra: yeah, i think it's easier to do that [01:46] yep [01:46] yeah probably best [01:46] I prefer my way, else well get dozens of 'take me off this list' mails [01:46] it will break mail filters though .. [01:46] they subscribed to devel anyway [01:46] :) [01:46] JaneW: oh, later on when e-d starts being used? [01:46] whatever [01:46] can we postpone the decision ? [01:47] jdub: we'll mail you :) [01:47] and ask on the list for the preferred methiod ? [01:47] heh, ok [01:47] jdub: thanks for the input === JaneW cues pips1 [01:47] ok === leonel [n=leonel@201.123.63.234] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:47] highvoltage is on the ball the design/theme === theoddon1 [n=hgibson@hgibson.ee.sun.ac.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [01:48] I am working on the content structure [01:48] the basic idea is that we want to be very inviting for non-geeks [01:49] I wrote up some ideas about the subject a while ago: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration [01:49] pips1: I saw what highvoltage had done yesterday, looking nice [01:49] I agree with your idea [01:49] JaneW, have you also checkeed pips1s example setup ? [01:50] its very good [01:50] it needs to be encouraging and non-threatening and very intuitive [01:50] drupal is a very flexible tool... there are many things you can do... but I would like to start it "small" and only grow as needed, instead of offering too much functionality to confuse user unnecessarily [01:50] ogra: briefly yes :) [01:50] pips1: yes, agreed [01:50] one thing that's on my mind [01:50] newbies are very happy to use forums [01:50] yes [01:51] BUT [01:51] they need moderation [01:51] I remember someone mentioned that they will create a new forum for edubuntu over at ubuntuforums [01:51] and we can;t expect ogra to provide support there as well... [01:51] JaneW, yes, that's what I am getting at [01:51] hook it up to the mailinglist? [01:51] like they did with others [01:51] ok, I'll back off ;) [01:52] JaneW, you wont get me reading/using a forum :) [01:52] ogra: good :P [01:52] didn't they hook up ubuntu-users with a forum? [01:53] the prob is that people with only halfbrewed knowledge often give wrong help in forums (at least i see that in the ubuntu forums) [01:53] so I wonder: we could have a forum on the new edubuntu site, but keep the discussion on non-technical subjects, ie everything that has to do with the operating system, desktop, blablabla will be in the ubuntuforums, BUT we could have some "educational" topic on the edubuntu website forum, what do you think? [01:53] ogra: so polite [01:53] and that dves very seldom handg around in forums to fix that [01:53] say again? :) [01:53] Yagisan, yes, i'm biund to the CoC, you know :P [01:53] ogra, one of the great un-answered issues is the idea of developoer-support before you can think about user-support... [01:53] *bound === Klaidas [n=klaidas@ctv-84-55-6-137.init.lt] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [01:54] flint, thats what edubuntu-devel was thought for [01:54] ? [01:54] on a sidenote and a bit OT, edubuntu was on german TV last week :) http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi [01:54] pips1: might be good for edu content discussions and curriculum stuff and sharing... === pips1 thinks that his idea went past everyone's head [01:54] :-) [01:55] ogra, I understand, did it work? or do you have random people giving out bad advice on the edubuntu channels? [01:55] pips1, thats why we called it -devel first place [01:55] pips1: did you see my comment? [01:55] JaneW, that's what i was thinking... but there are already other site that are very dedicated to educational topics too... [01:55] pips1: and ppl can discuss the latest edu app they found etc [01:55] flint, i'm observing the ML and #edubuntu and #edubuntu-de very closely ... only if one slips through so ... [01:55] pips1: yes but our users may not know them... [01:56] ogra, you are like hercules at the gate. but even you have to sleep. [01:56] ogra, that is no solution. [01:56] sadly, yes [01:56] JaneW, yes, maybe that should be the focus on our "own" forum, what edu *apps* do they want to see in edubuntu... [01:57] ogra, we need a command "apt-make ogra-clones" === ogra looks for his caffeine drip [01:57] ogra: that's ubuntu not edubuntu :P [01:57] JaneW, surely it wouldnt be too hard to link to other forums regarding curriculum etc etc? === valis [n=mariusz@chello212186171210.24.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:57] nice video fragment :) [01:57] :) [01:57] spacey, where? [01:57]