=== poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djm62 [n=djm62@82-40-136-135.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-89.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@ip-124-244.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === natroll [n=natroll@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] i love the artwork on login in dapper [12:36] its so polished === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] natroll: you bet ;-) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] and stinkin dapper keeps reminding me my battery is charged [12:53] it rules [12:56] natroll: what else? [12:56] you enjoy dapper kicking too ? :) [12:56] it's so sweet [12:57] too bad I can't provide it to you [12:57] ? [12:57] yeah...so...how bout them bears? [01:00] lol, no matter what i do i can't get dapper to stop notifying me that the battery is charged! it's possessed or something, this is great [01:00] it's much prettier too === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] natroll: I used to have that battery notification problem too, but it disappeared several weeks ago === alex__ [n=alex@Toronto-HSE-ppp3787013.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] minghua, do you believe in magic? ;) [01:09] natroll: well, it disappeard after an upgrade, so I took for granted some new package fixed it [01:09] I can't rule out magic, of course ;-) [01:10] updating and upgrading now [01:10] wow, lots to upgrade [01:10] one must fix her right up === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] erg, i gotta restart, bbl === natroll-- [n=natroll@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === julianobastos [n=ubuntux@c-24-99-227-207.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] we need a Xubuntu Live [01:32] we need better drugs [01:32] ...I do, atleast [01:32] we need a computer forensics ubuntu distro called fubuntu [01:33] these painkillers doesn't take pain away ;( [01:33] oh, right, i'm ont hat [01:33] natroll--: no thats Fluxbox Ubuntu :P [01:33] Kyral: wash your mouth! [01:33] nein! it's forensics ubuntu [01:33] hmm? [01:33] there is a forensics ubuntu [01:33] and it runs fluxbox [01:33] you are both right [01:33] ? [01:34] oh [01:34] forensics ubuntu? where? [01:34] yuk [01:34] let me find it [01:34] nubuntu [01:34] no, thats not the same thing as what i'm proposing [01:34] yah definately a better name than "Flubuntu" [01:34] different how [01:34] flu season! [01:35] Flubuntu, avianflubuntu [01:35] lol [01:35] tseng, geared towards data acquisition and data-mining, i understand nubuntu is geared towards the network side of things === Kyral has half a mind to make his own metapack (personal use only) with all the packages he normally installs on install [01:36] i have no idea what you are talking about [01:36] give me a package list [01:36] to give me a direction [01:36] tseng, i haven't made it yet [01:36] just throw one out there [01:36] check out autopsy, that's already included [01:36] or pyflag.sourceforge.net [01:36] i am thinking Coroners Toolkit [01:37] type stuff [01:37] which is probably in nubuntu [01:37] or a good data-acquisition distro: http://www.e-fense.org/helix [01:38] tseng: nah, nubuntu is networking ubuntu, not computer forensics, which deals with evidence gathering and mining evidence off of hard drives [01:38] sigh [01:38] did you get that in 2 seconds from reading the tagline? [01:38] what? [01:38] http://www.nubuntu.com/ [01:38] there are two nubuntus it seems [01:38] tseng, i'm looking at the package list [01:38] tseng, i see [01:39] http://www.nubuntu.com/installed.txt [01:39] and again, its networking and penetration testing, which is not computer forensics [01:39] its in the same category [01:39] would be nice to add forensics to that [01:40] actually its not in the same category [01:40] not to be argumentative, but it simply isn't [01:41] yeah [01:41] i'm aiding in the development of a computer forensics curriculum [01:41] no reason id possibly want penetration testing and forensics on the same disc [01:41] I must be crazy. [01:41] so, i noticed a lack of distros supporting or geared towards it [01:41] although people interested in one would probably be interested in both [01:42] LaserJock, yes, but the requirements for them are very different [01:42] natroll--: fine, but it seems like it might be worth adding forensics to nubuntu [01:42] like inherent system behaviors, such as automounting as read only, if automounting at all [01:43] LaserJock, check out www.e-fense.com/helix === Erlang [i=neumann@toronto-HSE-ppp4000837.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] natroll--: well, I'm not really knowledgeable in that area but it seems like there might be a common user base [01:46] LaserJock, I understand what you're saying, but the requirements for the tasks associated with each are conflicting. This is why we have separate liveCD distros for penetration testing and computer forensics. and this is why helix has dropped almost all networking utilities of any kind [01:47] example of penetration testing distro: auditor === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] hmm, I see === LaserJock will just stick to the real sciences *grin* j/k [01:49] hehe [01:49] gah [01:49] well, i just see a niche that isn't filled that ubuntu could do nicely [01:50] suddenly I am not liking ubuntu's default install [01:50] although I was almost a "computer scientist" === natroll-- kicks the default for Kyral [01:50] LaserJock, then you learned how to do even simple tasks with a computer, and that was out the door? [01:50] erg, i should hush [01:51] natroll--: I just found that I liked chemistry better (albeit Physical Chemistry) [01:51] LaserJock, ahh, fun. are you working in the field or goin to school for it? [01:52] natroll--: trying to finish my PhD at the moment [01:52] I have half a mind to move to Debian [01:52] Kyral: and do what? [01:52] I dunno [01:52] LaserJock, nice :D [01:53] I can see the reasoning behind all these decisions...but its making my life a pain....-ERANT [01:53] a pain? [01:53] Kyral, make your own preseed? [01:54] or my own MetaPack [01:54] just leave it on my webserver [01:54] I don't see how K/Ubuntu is any more a pain than Debian. [01:54] yeah, i'm working on something at the moment for this [01:54] Kyral, something similar i mean [01:54] Kyral, messing with preseeds, metapackages, etc [01:55] Kyral, let me tell ya, WHAT A PAIN [01:55] Kyral: what is the problem exactly? just curious [01:56] Oh, like no XChat (Irssi is installed but that don't TELL you) [01:56] irssi <3 [01:57] Kyral: and Debian gives you that? [01:57] LaserJock, I'd rather go from scratch :P [01:57] oh, well that makes sense. I've done that before [01:57] server install [01:57] it stinks to customize the repos in the installer....it's all very 'hacky' [01:58] but right now I just do everything in Dapper and Sid chroots I have on a sarg box [01:59] "dpkg --get-selections" is also a interesting [02:00] if you have things already set up [02:01] If I could put a 2.4 kernel in Dapper I'd replace sarge with dapper [02:01] Hmm === minghua has 2.6 kernels for all his sarge boxes [02:02] minghua: yeah, I had to get an early sarge to get the 2.4 === natroll-- sets ubuntu installer on fire [02:02] a lot [02:02] early sarge? No LaserJock, the official sarge installer supports 2.4 kernel [02:02] LaserJock: you probably need to boot it with "linux24" or something though [02:03] then you get a 2.4 kernel [02:03] I'll prolly switch over to KDE when I do my reinstall this weekend [02:03] minghua: does it. if I remember right I had to do a sarge that was still "testing" but maybe I'm wrong [02:03] both for the installer and for the installed system [02:03] KDE <3 [02:03] LaserJock: I am very sure sarge has both 2.4 and 2.6 support for i386, I just don't remember which is default [02:04] gnome in dapper is much prettier [02:04] oh LaserJock your is i386, isn't it? [02:04] minghua: stupid proprietary National Instruments drivers :( [02:04] it's like breezy is the ugly younger sister [02:04] natroll--: =) [02:04] natroll--: older [02:04] right [02:04] thats what i said ;D [02:04] ah, you're right ;) [02:05] Tm_T, you should take a look at the Kororaa liveCD, it's like the supermodel next door [02:05] natroll--: I hope Gnome doesn't look like this: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png [02:05] silly wallpaper though =) [02:06] nope, mine sure doesn't [02:06] minghua: yeah 1386 [02:06] i reinstall and mess around too much for that :/ [02:06] natroll--: yeah, because that's my KDE desktop ;) [02:06] Tm_T, purdy :) [02:06] that looks like an edubuntu logo up there [02:07] kedubuntu [02:07] LaserJock: http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-basic-03.svg [02:07] it's Ubuntu-Edubuntu-Kubuntu [02:07] stupid thing I'm playing around === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] your poor machine... ;D === Tm_T is tired to hear "where's kubuntu packages of app foo, there's ubuntu package but that can't be correct" [02:08] natroll--: I only have Kubuntu ofcourse [02:08] I don't need Gnome =) [02:08] Tm_T, ahh [02:09] GNOME's philosopy has been angering me lately [02:09] Tm_T, meh, i like both of them, gnome is more convenient for me with this distro though [02:09] but my idea with that logo is to show that we share same packages mostly [02:09] Kyral, simple with sane defaults? [02:09] isn't that their philosophy? [02:09] sane defaults yes [02:09] or am i off? [02:09] but I'm a powertweaker lol [02:10] yeah, lol [02:10] KDE allows you to tweak [02:10] yep [02:10] but hides them within easy reach [02:10] Here's my current screenshot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10257 [02:10] and it's pretty [02:10] plus...GConf reminds me WAAAY too much of the XP Registry [02:10] I have a stupid question about amd64 ubuntu. I don't have amd64 hardware, just curious [02:11] LaserJock: yul [02:11] where are the 32bit library in amd64 ubuntu go? did they change locations between breezy and dapper? [02:11] Tm_T, i smell mac [02:11] natroll--: its i386 I swear [02:11] i'd have a mac if i could afford it [02:11] I am asking because I see a (Chinese) user talking about a bug related to 32bit libraries [02:12] LaserJock, intel mac? [02:12] ;D [02:12] natroll--: darn, got me :-) === natroll-- rummages through LaserJock's moneybags === LaserJock rummages through US government moneybags ;-) [02:13] wow, must be nice [02:13] not especially [02:13] I wanted an AMD64 [02:13] LaserJock: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5743023802294495063 [02:13] ;) [02:13] to quote ferris, "I wanted a car....and I got a computer" [02:14] Anyone know if I can spread an LVM group across two HDs? [02:14] of course you can (although I've never done it) [02:14] Kyral, that's it's biggest benefit [02:14] that's one of the major point of LVM after all [02:14] natroll--, I'm gonna do a COMPLETE wipe of my Production Box soon [02:14] too much crap [02:15] Kyral, yeah, i know the feeling, i do that like once a month or so lately [02:15] I want to "unify" my /home and my /anime partitions as one massive LVM group when I do [02:15] but i go nuts on it [02:15] oh SHIT [02:15] poop? [02:15] I have to backup my .gnupg folder first [02:15] Tm_T: that's funny, lol [02:16] i thought you forgot your mom outside in the cold or something, sheesh [02:16] always back up your gpg key, not before reinstall :-) [02:16] poor old woman in a wheel chair [02:16] minghua, I'm nuking the partition [02:16] so I have to backup my passwords....my GNUPG...my music... [02:16] Kyral, he means just make it a practice, not just before reinstall [02:16] ah [02:16] my point was _always_ keep a backup of your GPG key [02:17] LaserJock: also sooo true [02:17] because things happen [02:17] minghua, yah... [02:17] Tm_T: well, not so much for me. but still funny [02:17] LaserJock: that dock thing in osx... aergh! [02:17] pete and repeat were on a boat, pete fell off, who was left? [02:17] Basically I have 460 GB combined storage [02:17] I'm gonna use 15 for / [02:17] and LVM the rest into /home [02:17] ha [02:18] Kyral, i use my var directory for that [02:18] Kyral, for the biggun [02:18] 300 GB IDE and 160 GB SATA [02:18] so 15 on the IDE and LVM the rest of the IDE + SATA [02:18] ok, gl hf [02:19] 'cept I know little about LVM lol [02:19] could GParted make it? [02:19] man, with all that space I'd have like 10 different distros [02:19] google to the rescue, imo [02:20] nah I need the space for anime storage [02:20] i'm gonna go to bet, i'm over 26 hours awake now [02:20] s/bet/bed [02:20] Kyral: the text-based installer has a good LVM manager for beginners, IMO [02:20] hmm [02:21] later guys, have fun :D [02:21] good night natroll-- [02:21] I know the concept...but I dunno the commands to make it lol [02:21] actually hmm [02:21] this is a chance to redo my partitioning scheme... [02:21] I make make a separate /boot while I am at it [02:22] Kyral: why? [02:22] dunno [02:22] so it can stay unmounted most of the time? [02:23] I see [02:24] well, I'll probably redo my Ubuntu box for Dapper+1 [02:26] I wish ZFS was ported to Linux [02:36] Kyral: why would you have /boot unmounted? [02:36] dunno [02:36] the only reason I have a separate /boot is because / is LVM [02:36] ah [02:37] ajmitch, how efficient is LVM? [02:37] & in my new box, / will be LVM on RAID [02:37] efficient? what do you mean? [02:37] space? speed? 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[04:26] debug builds? [04:27] yeah so firefox segfaults on my dapper laptop [04:27] so I want a build with symbols [04:28] $ gdb firefox [04:28] I think you can either use nostrip option or remove dh_strip from debian/rules [04:29] i was hoping for more of a change to apt/sources.list and avoid the compiling [04:30] Not going to happen, sorry [04:30] Debian and Ubuntu strip all packages afaik [04:30] yeah it would be a very large repos. [04:37] but wouldn't it lead to better bug reports? [04:38] The people that know how to use Debug package should also know how to rebuild a package with dh_strip removed right? [04:40] kinda. See what I would do when reporting this bug is attach the core w/ symbols or an indication of what went wrong [04:41] now, I have to make firefox compile on crappy laptop and hope the same problem occurs... [04:45] does launchpad include debian bugs [04:45] or do I search this, debian and moz bugs? [04:45] I see your point. It has been made several times I think, but I think the general concensus are that it's not practical enough to be supported technically. That's how I read it. [04:47] cool just venting. Once I start it will probably become easy to compile stuff === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] Hmm, can an uploader archive his own uplod on REVU? [05:16] Night MOTU === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:27] Hmm, scim-m17n indeed seem to be broken in dapper... [05:28] hmm, didn't that just get uploaded [05:28] I thought I saw that go by in dapper-changes recently [05:29] minghua: have you noticed the debtags thread in debian-science? [05:29] LaserJock: I think you saw m17n-db [05:30] LaserJock: yes, but I doubt debtags would be very useful for ubuntu [05:30] minghua: perhaps, I wonder if our list might be of use the Debian? [05:31] s/the/to/ [05:31] probably not I guess. [05:32] LaserJock: in which way? the debtag is multi-demensional, what area would your list help (I admit I haven't looked at it recently)? [05:32] minghua: well I think the idea is to be able to find science related apps by discipline perhaps === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] we need to have a comprehensive list of packages [05:33] but maybe we could eventually break those down by discipline too [05:33] I don't know, I was just thinking of ways we can help debian-science [05:34] LaserJock: yeah I agree that's a good idea [05:34] LaserJock: is your list already separating the packages by disciplines? [05:35] minghua: right now I have ~ 420 source packages split up into math, science, electronics, and misc [05:35] from what I read debtags has this field:: facet which can differentiate disciplines [05:35] minghua: where math, science, and electronics just come from there respective sections nothing difficult [05:36] LaserJock: but that's just section, isn't it? [05:36] yeah, that's what I thought. and I feel sometimes maintainer miscategorize their package to wrong section [05:36] right, but I think we see more of the breadth of packages because we look after them all [05:37] so maybe we are better able to provide more appropriate lists [05:39] LaserJock: if we want to work on that, then yes, I agree it would be useful to Debian, especially the debtags team [05:40] I don't think it should be our top priority for sure, but it may be something useful for us in the future [05:41] I would like to have stuff to offer debian-science that is easier for us to do because of our structure [05:41] yeah, it's not much use to categorize the packages if they are uninstallable or plainly crash on start ;-) [05:42] for sure, but then that is maybe another area [05:43] I think we can have an overall better feel for the shape the science related packages are in [05:43] minghua: LaserJock [05:43] LaserJock: to be honest I don't feel _I_ want to get a overall better feel myself [05:44] LaserJock: I am not that ambitious to shepherd all science packages in ubuntu [05:44] minghua: how stable is scim-m17n ? [05:44] G0SUB: well, it plainly doesn't start here [05:45] minghua: same here ... [05:45] minghua: I can understand that, but as a group I think we are better able to look at things [05:45] G0SUB: I'll have to look at it more closely later [05:45] minghua: okay, that's fine [05:45] minghua: for instance it is going to be relatively easy for us to see how many and where bugs are [05:45] minghua: btw, are there any chances of getting SCIM into main / the CD? === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] LaserJock: sure, if you need help on computation physics/chemistry part, I am willing to help === xBeatrix [n=komsai@203.177.200.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] G0SUB: I am not involved in that part, please contace freeflying for main inclusion of SCIM [05:46] minghua: fine === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] okay, I'll log out and test scim-m17n again... === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] uhm......hello guys. am not an ubuntu repository mainainer but have a few questions.......is that ok if i ask you guys? :-[:-[:-[ === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:59] xBeatrix: maybe :-) [06:00] now I am in real trouble: I can't figure out why scim is autostarted when I login :-( [06:00] hmm, maybe I have an idea === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] xBeatrix: what's your question? [06:02] yeah, got it right this time :-) [06:03] minghua: bug? [06:03] LaserJock: not really, just scim trying to be too smart [06:04] oh, I hate that. MS Office always tries that on me ;-) [06:04] LaserJock: scim has this feature to autostart when some condition is met [06:04] interesting [06:04] the problem is that these condition keeps changing from release to release [06:04] i followed the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo [06:05] and since I don't use this autostart feature, I forgot it in the first place [06:05] when i came to: [06:05] cd $BUILD sudo apt-ftparchive -c $APTCONF generate /path/to/apt-ftparchive-deb.conf [06:05] when i typed: sudo apt-ftparchive -c $APTCONF generate /path/to/apt-ftparchive-deb.conf [06:06] it says: [06:06] E: Could not open file /dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386/Packages.gz.new - open (2 Nop such file or directory) [06:06] E: Could not open file /dists/breezy/extras/binary-i386/Packages.new - open (2 Nop such file or directory) [06:07] E: Error processing directory pool/extras [06:07] Done Packages, Starting contents. Done. 0B in 0 archives. Took 0s === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] xBeatrix: have you looked at the apt-ftparchive man page? and make sure you are doing it right? [06:12] and do you actually have the configuration files it wanted, and you didn't literally type out /path/to/apt-ftparchive-deb.conf ? [06:13] i got these files : apt-ftparchive-deb.conf [06:13] apt-ftparchive-udeb.conf [06:13] apt-ftparchive-extra.conf [06:15] and they have been properly modified? [06:15] i created those files from: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices/ ): [06:16] i think so.....:(:-[ [06:17] changed the paths and everything.. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Hello Universe :) [06:36] hi Gloubiboulga === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:37] hi LaserJock [06:38] minghua, congrats :) [06:38] Thanks Gloubiboulga [06:38] Gloubiboulga: how's texmaker in Debian going? [06:39] LaserJock, not that good... [06:39] I didn't get any answer on the mentors ML === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] but I didn't spent enough time and energy on this for the moment [06:40] Gloubiboulga: sometimes it takes a few tries I think [06:40] yep [06:41] LaserJock, the package for the new release is also on REVU btw [06:41] waiting for comments/advocates :) [06:42] Gloubiboulga: did you get an UVF exception for texmaker? [06:42] Gloubiboulga: you might try the debian-tetex-maint ML too [06:42] minghua, yes [06:43] Gloubiboulga: really? I didn't see that. cool [06:43] hmm, good, I'll try this new texmaker package [06:43] LaserJock, ok [06:45] Gloubiboulga: yeah, I might have to try it out ;-) [06:48] minghua: wow, I thought kile had replaced texmaker, but I guess it was ktexmaker it replaced. [06:49] minghua: what do you use in OSX for latex? [06:49] tritium: why to me? I am a new texmaker user :-) [06:50] LaserJock: Err... ssh to a linux box and use tetex there? :-) [06:50] does that count? [06:50] lol, makes sense [06:50] A postdoc in my lab uses TeXShop and likes it so I just wondered [06:51] TeXShop is nice on MacOS [06:51] I heard about several nice TeX software in OS X, but I never remember the name [06:51] well, I installed it but I haven't really tried it out [06:52] gotta get crackin' on my dissertation soon :| [06:52] LaserJock: you can try xetex [06:55] freeflying: interesting, thanks for the tip === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mongoose [n=mongoose@ip68-106-216-206.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.37] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.37] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=vx@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille_ [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-096-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amaechler [n=amaechle@84-72-158-144.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0C30.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] good morning [08:50] morning dholbach [08:51] hey minghua [08:51] morning [08:52] minghua: grats for motuness! :) [08:52] Thanks siretart [08:53]