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| Empedocles | hi one speak spanish? | 02:58 |
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| Empedocles | i install ubuntu 5.10 but the installation its bad , in the moment the copy of system basic and paquetes aditional of hard disk | 03:00 |
| Empedocles | instalation for amd 64 | 03:00 |
| Empedocles | help me pleasse | 03:00 |
| Empedocles | hellos? | 03:02 |
| Empedocles | hola che | 03:02 |
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| Empedocles | arkan0x hola | 03:03 |
| arkan0x | Empedocles, hola ! | 03:03 |
| Empedocles | che tengo problemas en la instalacion me das una mano? | 03:03 |
| arkan0x | que problema tienes ? | 03:04 |
| arkan0x | Empedocles, #edubuntu-es | 03:04 |
| Empedocles | mira me baje la version 5.10 | 03:04 |
| arkan0x | Empedocles, #edubuntu-es entra a ese canal , ahi te ayudamos en espanol | 03:04 |
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| iGotNoTime | night all :) | 03:08 |
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| iGotNoTime | ok night all (for real this time) :) | 05:56 |
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| Burgundavia | highvoltage: morning. have you seen this? http://kavlon.org/index.php/cb | 06:22 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/ | 08:18 |
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| Burgundavia | janeW: not feeling very captial J-ish today? | 09:12 |
| JaneW | :P | 09:12 |
| highvolt1ge | yay! someone's here! | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | highvolt1ge: I am nearly almost always here | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/ | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | and http://www.kavlon.org/index.php/cb | 09:14 |
| highvolt1ge | Burgundavia: i saw that when you posted earlier, joined the group :) | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | looks like Userful is going to get a grant from the Canadian gov't to build an education solution | 09:15 |
| highvolt1ge | wow! great! | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | should be an interesting time | 09:15 |
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| Burgundavia | I am pushing the "use as much open source as possible" approarch | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | I have tried that colouring book. Not bad but probably not usable on a thin client, due to overhead | 09:17 |
| highvolt1ge | it's also very, very pre-release. | 09:21 |
| highvolt1ge | probably not of high enough quality for mass deployment yet | 09:21 |
| highvolt1ge | 'use as much oss as possible' is a good approach. | 09:21 |
| highvolt1ge | i get scared when people say 'completely OSS', which you see often in underexperienced management. | 09:22 |
| highvolt1ge | (or just plain ignorant) | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | userful is going to need some education in that area | 09:24 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: what was the verdict on the mailing list? anything else happen in the meeting of note? | 09:29 |
| JaneW | busy writing an e-mail now... | 09:30 |
| JaneW | sent | 09:38 |
| === highvoltage reads Jane's e-mail to ubuntu-devel-announce and was a bit confused about the meeting time :) | ||
| JaneW | highvoltage: WHY? :( | 09:42 |
| === JaneW is trying to *avoid* confusion | ||
| highvoltage | JaneW: i thought it went out to edubuntu-devel :) | 09:43 |
| JaneW | oic :) | 09:43 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: does it makes sense in context then? | 09:43 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes :) | 09:43 |
| JaneW | \o/ | 09:43 |
| JaneW | now read mailing list one | 09:43 |
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| highvoltage | hasn't arived yet | 09:44 |
| JaneW | well burning | 09:44 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: did you do something crazy, like running or climbing again? | 09:44 |
| JaneW | running, kata boxing and yoga | 09:44 |
| JaneW | followed by 2 days of just sitting for 9-10 hours in a row ;) | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | what about edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-educators | 09:44 |
| JaneW | and not doing much else | 09:45 |
| JaneW | Burgundavia: kinda makes sense, but then does ppl scared of the word 'devel' won't be covered | 09:45 |
| JaneW | those looking for support | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | ya, but three is pretty bad | 09:45 |
| JaneW | I have a poor guy now who posted a support question which never got answered and posted again and is not terrified he has been banned from the list | 09:46 |
| JaneW | I think some devel lists are VERY STRICT | 09:46 |
| JaneW | also ogra will be interested in e-devel and e-users but NOT e-educators.... | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntu-devel is getting stricter | 09:47 |
| JaneW | sure 3 times as much spam for me to filter - that's the last thing I want :P | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: and people like me are scared of the word 'educators' | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | two lists is all we need, nothing more, imho | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: most devel lists are very strict, not as leniant as the ubuntu lists | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | actually, fedora-devel is more lenient that ubuntu and it hurts fedora | 09:48 |
| highvoltage | well, fedora is just a general mess-up | 09:49 |
| highvoltage | (but i didn't say that) | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, indeed | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | the support guys at work rip their hair out sometimes | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, I have to sleep | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | I need to move to Europe | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | fedora is awful to support. things were much better here since we moved to ubuntu. | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | ok, sleep tight, Burgundavia | 09:50 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: so what about susan? | 09:55 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: or is that what the drupal forum will be for? | 09:55 |
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| JaneW | read mailing list :P | 09:56 |
| highvoltage | pips1 wants a forum, but i don't think it's a good idea. | 09:56 |
| JaneW | From: Susan Addington <saddingt@csusb.edu> | 09:56 |
| JaneW | To: Edubuntu Edubuntu <edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> | 09:56 |
| JaneW | Subject: Re: Mailing list name | 09:56 |
| JaneW | Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:53:07 -0800 (21:53 SAST) | 09:56 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i don't know, i think that's something that requires more thought | 09:56 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: it will be to our benefit to provide a platform for curriculum integration into edubuntu, but i would like to avoid forums if at all possible, they attract all kinds of trouble | 09:59 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: although, many 'educators' prefer forums to mailing lists, but i'm sure we can find some kind of compromise | 10:00 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: drupal has a nice 'books' plugin, which allow people to work collaboratively on... stuff. | 10:00 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: similar to a wiki, so perhaps that might be a good option as well | 10:01 |
| JaneW | ok | 10:04 |
| JaneW | pipsl seemed keen on the forums | 10:04 |
| JaneW | can you discuss with him and decise which is best? | 10:04 |
| JaneW | decide even | 10:04 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: did you see my responses? | 10:19 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yep, just responded :) | 10:19 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i agree with what you say. | 10:20 |
| highvoltage | 3 lists is too much, at this stage. | 10:20 |
| JaneW | ok | 10:20 |
| highvoltage | *are | 10:20 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i agree with hedblom too, following the conventions are nice | 10:33 |
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| highvoltage | it can serve the same purpose | 10:33 |
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| sivang | hody all | 11:56 |
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| sivang | flint: ping | 12:00 |
| JaneW | who is co-ordinating the laptop testing team now? | 12:01 |
| JaneW | sivang: he is never here except at meeitng time | 12:01 |
| JaneW | sivang: try e-mail | 12:01 |
| JaneW | sivang: also it;s still a bit early | 12:01 |
| JaneW | sivang: after 13:00 UTC you'll have more chance of finding him up | 12:02 |
| sivang | JaneW: k, sure. You seen our email corrospondance regarding the backup solution? is what he talks about supposed to be an Edubuntu solution as well? | 12:02 |
| JaneW | sivang: I read it and then filed it, I am not going to get into an argument about it ;) It's for you and Matt and maybe Oli to decide | 12:03 |
| sivang | JaneW: I'm happy with his suggestions and input, and I think it's a wothwhile goal to eventually provide a full blown system to restore from scratch without having to reinstall and then reapply backup, however I need to first let to get out with the first release of my solution :) | 12:11 |
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| JaneW | ogra: what's the URL for the cebit avi again? | 12:33 |
| ogra | http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi | 12:34 |
| JaneW | ty | 12:35 |
| highvoltage | what's that? | 12:38 |
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| spacey | ogra: ping :) | 01:36 |
| spacey | esddsp is a replacement for esd? or just a wrapper? | 01:36 |
| ogra | spacey, pong | 01:36 |
| spacey | there seems to be no documentation for esd at all :P | 01:36 |
| ogra | its a wrapper that sets ESPAEKER and LD_PRELOAD | 01:36 |
| spacey | http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/dbdocs/book1.html | 01:36 |
| ogra | LD_PRELOAD is the problem, it makes firefox crash ... | 01:37 |
| spacey | so just call the desired application with esddsp? | 01:37 |
| spacey | so its userwide | 01:37 |
| ogra | i think you can only use it session-wide, yes | 01:37 |
| spacey | ah | 01:38 |
| spacey | thats too bad | 01:38 |
| ogra | there is a firefox bug anywhere in malone ... it breaks flash sound ... | 01:38 |
| spacey | yeah i know about that one | 01:38 |
| spacey | they don't have sound now anyway | 01:39 |
| spacey | epiphany same problem? | 01:39 |
| ogra | flash is flash, no matter iun which browser | 01:39 |
| ogra | :) | 01:39 |
| spacey | yeah ok | 01:39 |
| spacey | :) | 01:39 |
| spacey | but at least epiphany won't crash :) | 01:39 |
| spacey | and they don't have sound now anyway | 01:39 |
| ogra | i didnt try ... | 01:39 |
| spacey | if firefox | 01:40 |
| spacey | i think | 01:40 |
| spacey | in | 01:40 |
| spacey | so i'll try it when the kids go home :P | 01:40 |
| spacey | oh wait | 01:40 |
| spacey | i'll just try it with my own user :P | 01:40 |
| spacey | ogra: but you know how esddsp is suppose to run? | 01:42 |
| ogra | yes, as i said, its sets these two variables :) | 01:42 |
| ogra | less /usr/bin/esddsp | 01:43 |
| ogra | ;) | 01:43 |
| ogra | its a sheppscript | 01:43 |
| ogra | *shell | 01:43 |
| spacey | what i understood of it catched OSS output to esd | 01:43 |
| spacey | but i guess it can do that because of those two vars then :P | 01:44 |
| ogra | hmm, the last line in that script looks like it would be possible to run it for single programs | 01:45 |
| spacey | if its a wrapper it would make sense that way | 01:49 |
| spacey | hmhm /me gonna find a thin client to test | 01:49 |
| spacey | i was told the default esd needed some patches though, because it didn't capture open64 stuff. Is that something only needed on 64bit? or no idea? | 01:50 |
| ogra | the latter | 01:51 |
| spacey | anyway i patched it so i can try later. | 01:52 |
| highvolt1ge | ogra: i'm tempted to install Dapper flight 5 as a production system in two schools, do you think it's ready | 02:00 |
| ogra | nope, but if you can handle the glitches ... | 02:01 |
| highvolt1ge | hehe, i should've expected that :) | 02:02 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: i think i'll hold on for flight 6, that should be relatively soonish (next three weeks or so), right? | 02:04 |
| ogra | likely | 02:04 |
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| simon_ | ltsp problem get to Gnome login manager but keyboard dosen't work. The mouse is fine | 03:16 |
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| paolob | Hi guys! In my edub breezy I can't switch to the console when I have the gdm login screen. It happens only on one of my 5 ubuntu pc. What could be the reason? | 03:54 |
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| ogra | paolob, nvidia driver ? | 04:00 |
| paolob | ogra, I don't think so. Where do I check it? | 04:06 |
| ogra | grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 04:07 |
| paolob | ogra, no, it's a "VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter" | 04:07 |
| paolob | the strange thing is that when I login in gdm the Alt-ctl-fx works. | 04:08 |
| paolob | it doesn't depend on the fact that there are services which aren't run. | 04:09 |
| flint | sivang, pong | 04:09 |
| sivang | flint: seem my email, in a meeting now | 04:13 |
| flint | sivang working on spam filter. last email I got named the project UPBackup. I responded. Take your time... :^) | 04:15 |
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| ogra | JaneW, no wlan with ltsp ... | 04:20 |
| JaneW | ogra: dang, I feared that may be the case... | 04:21 |
| ogra | there is nothing like PXE or etherboot for wlan ... | 04:22 |
| ogra | i was planning something with jbailey but that would only create an CD iso with wireless support you could boot from ... | 04:23 |
| Yagisan | ogra: IIRC there was an etherboot for wlan, but I'd need to google for it | 04:25 |
| ogra | nothing we coulsd ship in any way | 04:32 |
| ogra | and kernel 2.4 based | 04:32 |
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| Yagisan | oh well. can't be helped | 04:36 |
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| edan | i wanted to know if edubuntu supports hebrew can anyone help??? | 04:48 |
| ogra | edan, sivang could tell, he's busy with .il support in ubuntu | 04:49 |
| edan | ogra, thnx | 04:49 |
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| sivang | edan: edubntu support hebrew out of the box, just as ubuntu does :) | 05:23 |
| sivang | edan: I'm myself a hebrew user, so I can witness the support is very good minus some cosmetic changes that might get fixed for the upcoming release. | 05:23 |
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| edan | sivang, thnx alot | 05:32 |
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| sivang | edan: np, prob, check out www.ubuntu.org.il for more details. | 05:40 |
| sivang | ogra: now it's come to me that when I have a free minute I Need to add an edubuntu section there :-) | 05:40 |
| ogra | note that we can only include a limited amount of lang-packs on the CD ... | 05:41 |
| ogra | -il isnt among them, you should note on the wiki that you need a online connection during install to have it right away ... | 05:41 |
| ogra | sadly one -kde langpack has the size of 3 -gnome langpacks, they eat all the space | 05:42 |
| sivang | okay, thakns for the tip. I will | 05:43 |
| sivang | ogra: maybe we could do several CDs according to region ? | 05:44 |
| sivang | middle east , arabic, hebrew , wahtever, EU, english, germen etc.. | 05:44 |
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| ogra | sivang, not now that wer are in shipit | 05:45 |
| ogra | *we | 05:45 |
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| sivang | yes, I understand. | 05:50 |
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| fabbione | hey flint | 06:31 |
| fabbione | i saw your ping before.. | 06:31 |
| fabbione | sorry i wasn't around | 06:31 |
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| Burgwork | ogra, for edubuntu, can we special case the kdeedu stuff and get it split into its own langpack? | 06:32 |
| ogra | i dont think our current langpack structure is able to do such fine grained tasks | 06:37 |
| Burgwork | well, lets think about this for dapper+1 then | 06:37 |
| ogra | yep | 06:37 |
| ogra | or +2 | 06:37 |
| ogra | my featurelist for +1 is already to full for a 4 month release | 06:38 |
| Burgwork | what are the goals for +1? | 06:38 |
| ogra | mainly local device support, new app selection and probably dropping of kdeedu | 06:38 |
| ogra | getting ltsp manager in and improving the student control panel | 06:39 |
| ogra | improving sound to not suck if possible | 06:39 |
| ogra | and indeed the standard ltsp enhancements i work on with the debian guys ... | 06:40 |
| ogra | on my whishlist are menu profiles and (at least the beginnigs of) a drag and drop menu app that enables you to easily create profiles | 06:41 |
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| Burgwork | ogra, have you looked at sabayon? | 06:53 |
| ogra | Burgwork, yes, i want something different | 06:54 |
| Burgwork | you want something simpler? | 06:54 |
| ogra | yes | 06:55 |
| ogra | way simpler | 06:55 |
| ogra | like an empty frame you can drop panel entrys into ... | 06:55 |
| Burgwork | can you send the list a braindump of what you want and I can start brainstomring a UI | 06:55 |
| ogra | which then creates a single toplevel menu and hides the system menu | 06:56 |
| ogra | so users in a group that has assigned a menu profile will only see applications and places ... | 06:56 |
| ogra | since i suspect the menus will be very small, i thing the applications menu might not even have subcategories (all arguable indeed, i want to make a BOF or two about it at the next conf)... | 06:57 |
| iGotNoTime | I have a question... Is a GTK front end GUI the same as a Gnome frontend? | 06:58 |
| iGotNoTime | what is GTK more or less :) | 06:58 |
| Burgwork | GTK is a graphical toolkit that GNOME and XFCE use as their base | 06:59 |
| iGotNoTime | ok thank you :) | 06:59 |
| highvoltage | iGotNoTime: hiThereiGotNoTime | 07:11 |
| iGotNoTime | highvoltage, hello there :) | 07:11 |
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| iGotNoTime | does anyone here run Asterisk? | 07:13 |
| Burgwork | iGotNoTime, we do at work | 07:14 |
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| iGotNoTime | Burgwork, well maybe you can help :P I have it, it is running now | 07:15 |
| iGotNoTime | Burgwork, but how do I get the web GUI on? | 07:15 |
| iGotNoTime | I tried localhost but it says denied | 07:15 |
| Burgwork | no idea | 07:17 |
| iGotNoTime | ok :) | 07:17 |
| iGotNoTime | I even used Synaptic to install the GTK frontend for it, but now can't find where it was installed to to run it LOL | 07:18 |
| highvoltage | *sigh* | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | i'm bored, but i can't get myself to work | 07:23 |
| iGotNoTime | :D | 07:23 |
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| Burgwork | ogra, is it worth the hit to remove kdeedu? | 07:55 |
| ogra | i didnt count exactly, but my geass would be we'd have ~80-100Mb extra | 07:56 |
| ogra | *guess | 07:56 |
| Burgwork | what about the loss of functionality? | 07:57 |
| ogra | kalzium is something i'd cry about ... | 07:58 |
| ogra | kig is easily replaced with drgeo ... | 07:58 |
| ogra | dunno about kturtle replacements, but i guess i'd find one | 07:59 |
| highvoltage | ktuberling would be a big loss, as simple a program as it is | 07:59 |
| ogra | there are vocabular training programs written in gtk, that should also be no problem | 07:59 |
| Burgwork | there is a gtk periodic elements | 07:59 |
| ogra | not comparable to kalzium | 08:00 |
| Burgwork | no | 08:00 |
| Burgwork | and mostly dead | 08:00 |
| ogra | kalzium wins prizes all the time ... its a widely noticed app | 08:00 |
| ogra | i think i saw a ktuberling clone in gtk ... cant remember the name ... | 08:01 |
| Burgwork | there is a art for a ktuberling clone out there | 08:02 |
| Burgwork | just no app | 08:02 |
| Burgwork | maybe we can get Jeff Elkner to get his students to do one? | 08:02 |
| highvoltage | i was initially very against the removal of the kde edutainment suite, but since it's so easy to apt-get install afterwards, i suppose it's not really a big deal at all. | 08:04 |
| ogra | Burgwork++ | 08:04 |
| ogra | highvoltage, right and it gives us a ton of other apps or more languages ... | 08:05 |
| ogra | maintaining the CD currently really sucks | 08:05 |
| ogra | every flight i need to find something else to remove | 08:06 |
| Burgwork | ouch'= | 08:06 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i was wondering earlier about schooltool, it still needs to be added, right? and there's only a few KB left on the CD? | 08:06 |
| ogra | schooltool is on flight 5 :) | 08:07 |
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| iGotNoTime | I am trying to add a printer, but don't know how | 08:48 |
| iGotNoTime | I selected Canon, but my model is not listed | 08:48 |
| iGotNoTime | the option to use driver is | 08:48 |
| iGotNoTime | but canon.com does not have a linux driver | 08:48 |
| iGotNoTime | any suggestion? | 08:48 |
| iGotNoTime | can I use an XP driver or no? | 08:49 |
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| HedgeMage | iGotNoTime: what model is your printer? | 08:51 |
| iGotNoTime | HedgeMag1, i470D | 08:51 |
| enyc | iGotNoTime: what make/model canon? | 08:54 |
| HedgeMage | iGotNoTime: it isn't listed on linuxprinting.org, so chances are that it's not supported under Linux | 08:54 |
| enyc | right | 08:54 |
| iGotNoTime | yes canon i470D | 08:54 |
| HedgeMage | iGotNoTime: try googling a bit and see if you come up with anything. | 08:54 |
| iGotNoTime | thank you :) | 08:54 |
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| enyc | iGotNoTime: linuxprinting.org can be very useful/helpful althuogh of course it may not exactly reflect the versions of ghostscript/gimp-print/foomatic/upsys etc. in your version of (ed)(k)ubuntu | 08:55 |
| iGotNoTime | ok | 08:55 |
| enyc | hrrm not even listed on linuxprinting.org that I can see | 08:55 |
| enyc | is this a high end printer ? maybe it does PCL or postscript? | 08:56 |
| enyc | else a cheapo inkjet type thing? | 08:56 |
| enyc | http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon | 08:57 |
| enyc | does the printer have another model/make or writing on the back etc. ?? | 08:57 |
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| HedgeMage | iGotNoTime: are you still about? | 09:46 |
| HedgeMage | iGotNoTime: I found a brief reference to the Canon i470d on an archive of the fedora discussion list that suggests you can get *partial* functionality by using the driver for the Canon BJC800 | 09:48 |
| HedgeMage | iGotNoTime: I'm not sure how "partial" it is, but it may be better than nothing | 09:48 |
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| iGotNoTime | HedgeMage, Thank you :D | 10:21 |
| iGotNoTime | I was/am AFK because kids are home from school, but thank you :) | 10:21 |
| HedgeMage | iGotNoTime: no problem, i have a kid, too, I know how it goes | 10:23 |
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| darth865656 | hi there ;-) | 11:24 |
| darth865656 | got a question concerning the dapper-edubuntu | 11:25 |
| darth865656 | after installing and configuring my dhcp, clients boot etc but can't login at/to the server in the gui.. | 11:25 |
| darth865656 | has anybody an idea why? ;) | 11:26 |
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| mhz | hi you all! | 11:39 |
| HedgeMage | hello | 11:46 |
| mhz | HedgeMage: hi | 11:47 |
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