[02:58] <Empedocles> hi one speak spanish?
[03:00] <Empedocles> i install ubuntu 5.10 but the installation its bad , in the moment the copy of system basic and paquetes aditional of hard disk
[03:00] <Empedocles> instalation for amd 64
[03:00] <Empedocles> help me pleasse
[03:02] <Empedocles> hellos?
[03:02] <Empedocles> hola che
[03:03] <Empedocles> arkan0x hola
[03:03] <arkan0x> Empedocles, hola !
[03:03] <Empedocles> che tengo problemas en la instalacion me das una mano?
[03:04] <arkan0x> que problema tienes ?
[03:04] <arkan0x> Empedocles, #edubuntu-es 
[03:04] <Empedocles> mira me baje la version 5.10
[03:04] <arkan0x> Empedocles, #edubuntu-es  entra a ese canal , ahi te ayudamos en espanol
[03:08] <iGotNoTime> night all :)
[05:56] <iGotNoTime> ok night all (for real this time) :)
[06:22] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: morning. have you seen this? http://kavlon.org/index.php/cb
[08:18] <Burgundavia> hmm http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/
[09:12] <Burgundavia> janeW: not feeling very captial J-ish today?
[09:12] <JaneW> :P
[09:13] <highvolt1ge> yay! someone's here!
[09:13] <Burgundavia> highvolt1ge: I am nearly almost always here
[09:13] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/
[09:14] <Burgundavia> and http://www.kavlon.org/index.php/cb
[09:14] <highvolt1ge> Burgundavia: i saw that when you posted earlier, joined the group :)
[09:15] <Burgundavia> looks like Userful is going to get a grant from the Canadian gov't to build an education solution
[09:15] <highvolt1ge> wow! great!
[09:15] <Burgundavia> should be an interesting time
[09:15] <Burgundavia> I am pushing the "use as much open source as possible" approarch
[09:17] <Burgundavia> I have tried that colouring book. Not bad but probably not usable on a thin client, due to overhead
[09:21] <highvolt1ge> it's also very, very pre-release.
[09:21] <highvolt1ge> probably not of high enough quality for mass deployment yet
[09:21] <highvolt1ge> 'use as much oss as possible' is a good approach.
[09:22] <highvolt1ge> i get scared when people say 'completely OSS', which you see often in underexperienced management.
[09:22] <highvolt1ge> (or just plain ignorant)
[09:24] <Burgundavia> userful is going to need some education in that area
[09:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: what was the verdict on the mailing list? anything else happen in the meeting of note?
[09:30] <JaneW> busy writing an e-mail now...
[09:38] <JaneW> sent
[09:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: WHY? :(
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: i thought it went out to edubuntu-devel :)
[09:43] <JaneW> oic :)
[09:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: does it makes sense in context then?
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes :)
[09:43] <JaneW> \o/
[09:43] <JaneW> now read mailing list one
[09:44] <highvoltage> hasn't arived yet
[09:44] <JaneW> well burning
[09:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: did you do something crazy, like running or climbing again?
[09:44] <JaneW> running, kata boxing and yoga
[09:44] <JaneW> followed by 2 days of just sitting for 9-10 hours in a row ;)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> what about edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-educators
[09:45] <JaneW> and not doing much else
[09:45] <JaneW> Burgundavia: kinda makes sense, but then does ppl scared of the word 'devel' won't be covered
[09:45] <JaneW> those looking for support
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ya, but three is pretty bad
[09:46] <JaneW> I have a poor guy now who posted a support question which never got answered and posted again and is not terrified he has been banned from the list
[09:46] <JaneW> I think some devel lists are VERY STRICT
[09:46] <JaneW> also ogra will be interested in e-devel and e-users but NOT e-educators....
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ubuntu-devel is getting stricter
[09:47] <JaneW> sure 3 times as much spam for me to filter - that's the last thing I want :P
[09:47] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: and people like me are scared of the word 'educators'
[09:47] <highvoltage> two lists is all we need, nothing more, imho
[09:48] <highvoltage> JaneW: most devel lists are very strict, not as leniant as the ubuntu lists
[09:48] <Burgundavia> actually, fedora-devel is more lenient that ubuntu and it hurts fedora
[09:49] <highvoltage> well, fedora is just a general mess-up
[09:49] <highvoltage> (but i didn't say that)
[09:49] <Burgundavia> hmm, indeed
[09:49] <Burgundavia> the support guys at work rip their hair out sometimes
[09:50] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to sleep
[09:50] <Burgundavia> I need to move to Europe
[09:50] <highvoltage> fedora is awful to support. things were much better here since we moved to ubuntu.
[09:50] <highvoltage> ok, sleep tight, Burgundavia 
[09:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: so what about susan?
[09:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: or is that what the drupal forum will be for?
[09:56] <JaneW> read mailing list :P
[09:56] <highvoltage> pips1 wants a forum, but i don't think it's a good idea.
[09:56] <JaneW> From: 	Susan Addington <saddingt@csusb.edu>
[09:56] <JaneW> To: 	Edubuntu Edubuntu <edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
[09:56] <JaneW> Subject: 	Re: Mailing list name
[09:56] <JaneW> Date: 	Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:53:07 -0800  (21:53 SAST)
[09:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: i don't know, i think that's something that requires more thought
[09:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: it will be to our benefit to provide a platform for curriculum integration into edubuntu, but i would like to avoid forums if at all possible, they attract all kinds of trouble
[10:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: although, many 'educators' prefer forums to mailing lists, but i'm sure we can find some kind of compromise
[10:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: drupal has a nice 'books' plugin, which allow people to work collaboratively on... stuff.
[10:01] <highvoltage> JaneW: similar to a wiki, so perhaps that might be a good option as well
[10:04] <JaneW> ok
[10:04] <JaneW> pipsl seemed keen on the forums
[10:04] <JaneW> can you discuss with him and decise which is best?
[10:04] <JaneW> decide even
[10:19] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you see my responses?
[10:19] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, just responded :)
[10:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with what you say.
[10:20] <highvoltage> 3 lists is too much, at this stage.
[10:20] <JaneW> ok
[10:20] <highvoltage> *are
[10:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: i agree with hedblom too, following the conventions are nice
[10:33] <highvoltage> it can serve the same purpose
[11:56] <sivang> hody all
[12:00] <sivang> flint: ping
[12:01] <JaneW> who is co-ordinating the laptop testing team now?
[12:01] <JaneW> sivang: he is never here except at meeitng time
[12:01] <JaneW> sivang: try e-mail
[12:01] <JaneW> sivang: also it;s still a bit early
[12:02] <JaneW> sivang: after 13:00 UTC you'll have more chance of finding him up
[12:02] <sivang> JaneW: k, sure. You seen our email corrospondance regarding the backup solution? is what he talks about supposed to be an Edubuntu solution as well?
[12:03] <JaneW> sivang: I read it and then filed it, I am not going to get into an argument about it ;) It's for you and Matt and maybe Oli to decide
[12:11] <sivang> JaneW: I'm happy with his suggestions and input, and I think it's a wothwhile goal to eventually provide a full blown system to restore from scratch without having to reinstall and then reapply backup, however I need to first let to get out with the first release of my solution :)
[12:33] <JaneW> ogra: what's the URL for the cebit avi again?
[12:34] <ogra> http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi
[12:35] <JaneW> ty
[12:38] <highvoltage> what's that?
[01:36] <spacey> ogra: ping :)
[01:36] <spacey> esddsp is a replacement for esd? or just a wrapper?
[01:36] <ogra> spacey, pong
[01:36] <spacey> there seems to be no documentation for esd at all :P
[01:36] <ogra> its a wrapper that sets ESPAEKER and LD_PRELOAD
[01:36] <spacey> http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/dbdocs/book1.html
[01:37] <ogra> LD_PRELOAD is the problem, it makes firefox crash ...
[01:37] <spacey> so just call the desired application with esddsp?
[01:37] <spacey> so its userwide
[01:37] <ogra> i think you can only use it session-wide, yes
[01:38] <spacey> ah
[01:38] <spacey> thats too bad
[01:38] <ogra> there is a firefox bug anywhere in malone ... it breaks flash sound ...
[01:38] <spacey> yeah i know about that one
[01:39] <spacey> they don't have sound now anyway
[01:39] <spacey> epiphany same problem?
[01:39] <ogra> flash is flash, no matter iun which browser 
[01:39] <ogra> :)
[01:39] <spacey> yeah ok
[01:39] <spacey> :)
[01:39] <spacey> but at least epiphany won't crash :)
[01:39] <spacey> and they don't have sound now anyway
[01:39] <ogra> i didnt try ...
[01:40] <spacey> if firefox
[01:40] <spacey> i think
[01:40] <spacey> in
[01:40] <spacey> so i'll try it when the kids go home :P
[01:40] <spacey> oh wait
[01:40] <spacey> i'll just try it with my own user :P
[01:42] <spacey> ogra: but you know how esddsp is suppose to run?
[01:42] <ogra> yes, as i said, its sets these two variables :) 
[01:43] <ogra>  less /usr/bin/esddsp
[01:43] <ogra> ;)
[01:43] <ogra> its a sheppscript
[01:43] <ogra> *shell
[01:43] <spacey> what i understood of it catched OSS output to esd
[01:44] <spacey> but i guess it can do that because of those two vars then :P
[01:45] <ogra> hmm, the last line in that script looks like it would be possible to run it for single programs 
[01:49] <spacey> if its a wrapper it would make sense that way
[01:49] <spacey> hmhm /me gonna find a thin client to test
[01:50] <spacey> i was told the default esd needed some patches though, because it didn't capture open64 stuff. Is that something only needed on 64bit? or no idea?
[01:51] <ogra> the latter 
[01:52] <spacey> anyway i patched it so i can try later. 
[02:00] <highvolt1ge> ogra: i'm tempted to install Dapper flight 5 as a production system in two schools, do you think it's ready
[02:01] <ogra> nope, but if you can handle the glitches ...
[02:02] <highvolt1ge> hehe, i should've expected that :)
[02:04] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i'll hold on for flight 6, that should be relatively soonish (next three weeks or so), right?
[02:04] <ogra> likely
[03:16] <simon_> ltsp problem get to Gnome login manager but keyboard dosen't work. The mouse is fine
[03:54] <paolob> Hi guys! In my edub breezy I can't switch to the console when I have the gdm login screen. It happens only on one of my 5 ubuntu pc. What could be the reason?
[04:00] <ogra> paolob, nvidia driver ? 
[04:06] <paolob> ogra, I don't think so. Where do I check it?
[04:07] <ogra> grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:07] <paolob> ogra, no, it's a "VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter"
[04:08] <paolob> the strange thing is that when I login in gdm the Alt-ctl-fx works.
[04:09] <paolob> it doesn't depend on the fact that there are services which aren't run.
[04:09] <flint> sivang, pong
[04:13] <sivang> flint: seem my email, in a meeting now
[04:15] <flint> sivang working on spam filter. last email I got named the project UPBackup.  I responded.  Take your time... :^)
[04:20] <ogra> JaneW, no wlan with ltsp ...
[04:21] <JaneW> ogra: dang, I feared that may be the case...
[04:22] <ogra> there is nothing like PXE or etherboot for wlan ...
[04:23] <ogra> i was planning something with jbailey but that would only create an CD iso with wireless support you could boot from ...
[04:25] <Yagisan> ogra: IIRC there was an etherboot for wlan, but I'd need to google for it
[04:32] <ogra> nothing we coulsd ship in any way
[04:32] <ogra> and kernel 2.4 based
[04:36] <Yagisan> oh well. can't be helped
[04:48] <edan> i wanted to know if edubuntu supports hebrew can anyone help???
[04:49] <ogra> edan, sivang could tell, he's busy with .il support in ubuntu 
[04:49] <edan> ogra, thnx
[05:23] <sivang> edan: edubntu support hebrew out of the box, just as ubuntu does :)
[05:23] <sivang> edan: I'm myself a hebrew user, so I can witness the support is very good minus some cosmetic changes that might get fixed for the upcoming release.
[05:32] <edan> sivang, thnx alot
[05:40] <sivang> edan: np, prob, check out www.ubuntu.org.il for more details.
[05:40] <sivang> ogra: now it's come to me that when I have a free minute I Need to add an edubuntu section there :-)
[05:41] <ogra> note that we can only include a limited amount of lang-packs on the CD ...
[05:41] <ogra> -il isnt among them, you should note on the wiki that you need a online connection during install to have it right away ...
[05:42] <ogra> sadly one -kde langpack has the size of 3 -gnome langpacks, they eat all the space
[05:43] <sivang> okay, thakns for the tip. I will
[05:44] <sivang> ogra: maybe we could do several CDs according to region ?
[05:44] <sivang> middle east , arabic, hebrew , wahtever, EU, english, germen etc..
[05:45] <ogra> sivang, not now that wer are in shipit 
[05:45] <ogra> *we
[05:50] <sivang> yes, I understand.
[06:31] <fabbione> hey flint 
[06:31] <fabbione> i saw your ping before..
[06:31] <fabbione> sorry i wasn't around
[06:32] <Burgwork> ogra, for edubuntu, can we special case the kdeedu stuff and get it split into its own langpack?
[06:37] <ogra> i dont think our current langpack structure is able to do such fine grained tasks
[06:37] <Burgwork> well, lets think about this for dapper+1 then
[06:37] <ogra> yep
[06:37] <ogra> or +2
[06:38] <ogra> my featurelist for +1 is already to full for a 4 month release
[06:38] <Burgwork> what are the goals for +1?
[06:38] <ogra> mainly local device support, new app selection and probably dropping of kdeedu
[06:39] <ogra> getting ltsp manager in and improving the student control panel
[06:39] <ogra> improving sound to not suck if possible
[06:40] <ogra> and indeed the standard ltsp enhancements i work on with the debian guys ...
[06:41] <ogra> on my whishlist are menu profiles and (at least the beginnigs of) a drag and drop menu app that enables you to easily create profiles 
[06:53] <Burgwork> ogra, have you looked at sabayon?
[06:54] <ogra> Burgwork, yes, i want something different 
[06:54] <Burgwork> you want something simpler?
[06:55] <ogra> yes
[06:55] <ogra> way simpler 
[06:55] <ogra> like an empty frame you can drop panel entrys into ...
[06:55] <Burgwork> can you send the list a braindump of what you want and I can start brainstomring a UI
[06:56] <ogra> which then creates a single toplevel menu and hides the system menu
[06:56] <ogra> so users in a group that has assigned a menu profile will only see applications and places ...
[06:57] <ogra> since i suspect the menus will be very small, i thing the applications menu might not even have subcategories (all arguable indeed, i want to make a BOF or two about it at the next conf)...
[06:58] <iGotNoTime> I have a question... Is a GTK front end GUI the same as a Gnome frontend?
[06:58] <iGotNoTime> what is GTK more or less :)
[06:59] <Burgwork> GTK is a graphical toolkit that GNOME and XFCE use as their base
[06:59] <iGotNoTime> ok thank you :)
[07:11] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: hiThereiGotNoTime
[07:11] <iGotNoTime> highvoltage, hello there :)
[07:13] <iGotNoTime> does anyone here run Asterisk?
[07:14] <Burgwork> iGotNoTime, we do at work
[07:15] <iGotNoTime> Burgwork, well maybe you can help :P  I have it, it is running now
[07:15] <iGotNoTime> Burgwork, but how do I get the web GUI on?
[07:15] <iGotNoTime> I tried localhost but it says denied
[07:17] <Burgwork> no idea
[07:17] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[07:18] <iGotNoTime> I even used Synaptic to install the GTK frontend for it, but now can't find where it was installed to to run it LOL
[07:22] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[07:23] <highvoltage> i'm bored, but i can't get myself to work
[07:23] <iGotNoTime> :D
[07:55] <Burgwork> ogra, is it worth the hit to remove kdeedu?
[07:56] <ogra> i didnt count exactly, but my geass would be we'd have ~80-100Mb extra
[07:56] <ogra> *guess
[07:57] <Burgwork> what about the loss of functionality?
[07:58] <ogra> kalzium is something i'd cry about ...
[07:58] <ogra> kig is easily replaced with drgeo ...
[07:59] <ogra> dunno about kturtle replacements, but i guess i'd find one
[07:59] <highvoltage> ktuberling would be a big loss, as simple a program as it is
[07:59] <ogra> there are vocabular training programs written in gtk, that should also be no problem
[07:59] <Burgwork> there is a gtk periodic elements
[08:00] <ogra> not comparable to kalzium
[08:00] <Burgwork> no
[08:00] <Burgwork> and mostly dead
[08:00] <ogra> kalzium wins prizes all the time ... its a widely noticed app
[08:01] <ogra> i think i saw a ktuberling clone in gtk ... cant remember the name ...
[08:02] <Burgwork> there is a art for a ktuberling clone out there
[08:02] <Burgwork> just no app
[08:02] <Burgwork> maybe we can get Jeff Elkner to get his students to do one?
[08:04] <highvoltage> i was initially very against the removal of the kde edutainment suite, but since it's so easy to apt-get install afterwards, i suppose it's not really a big deal at all.
[08:04] <ogra> Burgwork++
[08:05] <ogra> highvoltage, right and it gives us a ton of other apps or more languages ...
[08:05] <ogra> maintaining the CD currently really sucks
[08:06] <ogra> every flight i need to find something else to remove
[08:06] <Burgwork> ouch'=
[08:06] <highvoltage> ogra: i was wondering earlier about schooltool, it still needs to be added, right? and there's only a few KB left on the CD?
[08:07] <ogra> schooltool is on flight 5 :)
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> I am trying to add a printer, but don't know how
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> I selected Canon, but my model is not listed
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> the option to use driver is
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> but canon.com does not have a linux driver
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> any suggestion?
[08:49] <iGotNoTime> can I use an XP driver or no?
[08:51] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: what model is your printer?
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> HedgeMag1, i470D
[08:54] <enyc> iGotNoTime: what make/model canon?
[08:54] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: it isn't listed on linuxprinting.org, so chances are that it's not supported under Linux
[08:54] <enyc> right
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> yes canon i470D
[08:54] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: try googling a bit and see if you come up with anything.
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> thank you :)
[08:55] <enyc> iGotNoTime: linuxprinting.org can be very useful/helpful althuogh of course it may not exactly reflect the versions of ghostscript/gimp-print/foomatic/upsys etc. in your version of (ed)(k)ubuntu
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> ok
[08:55] <enyc> hrrm not even listed on linuxprinting.org that I can see
[08:56] <enyc> is this a high end printer ?  maybe it does PCL or postscript?
[08:56] <enyc> else a cheapo inkjet type thing?
[08:57] <enyc> http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon
[08:57] <enyc> does the printer have another model/make or writing on the back etc. ??
[09:46] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: are you still about?
[09:48] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: I found a brief reference to the Canon i470d on an archive of the fedora discussion list that suggests you can get *partial* functionality by using the driver for the Canon BJC800
[09:48] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: I'm not sure how "partial" it is, but it may be better than nothing
[10:21] <iGotNoTime> HedgeMage, Thank you :D
[10:21] <iGotNoTime> I was/am AFK because kids are home from school, but thank you :)
[10:23] <HedgeMage> iGotNoTime: no problem, i have a kid, too, I know how it goes
[11:24] <darth865656> hi there ;-)
[11:25] <darth865656> got a question concerning the dapper-edubuntu
[11:25] <darth865656> after installing and configuring my dhcp, clients boot etc but can't login at/to the server in the gui.. 
[11:26] <darth865656> has anybody an idea why? ;)
[11:39] <mhz> hi you all!
[11:46] <HedgeMage> hello
[11:47] <mhz> HedgeMage: hi