=== iGotNoTime [n=iGotNoTi@cpe-65-189-240-199.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=me@c-24-18-107-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMag1 [n=me@c-24-18-107-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === Empedocles [n=cafae@host243.200-117-29.telecom.net.ar] has joined #edubuntu [02:58] hi one speak spanish? [03:00] i install ubuntu 5.10 but the installation its bad , in the moment the copy of system basic and paquetes aditional of hard disk [03:00] instalation for amd 64 [03:00] help me pleasse [03:02] hellos? [03:02] hola che === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:03] arkan0x hola [03:03] Empedocles, hola ! [03:03] che tengo problemas en la instalacion me das una mano? [03:04] que problema tienes ? [03:04] Empedocles, #edubuntu-es [03:04] mira me baje la version 5.10 [03:04] Empedocles, #edubuntu-es entra a ese canal , ahi te ayudamos en espanol === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:08] night all :) === sm|zzz is now known as sankarshan === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:56] ok night all (for real this time) :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [06:22] highvoltage: morning. have you seen this? http://kavlon.org/index.php/cb === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:18] hmm http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/ === ribbo [n=riaan@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === janeW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-135-92.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:12] janeW: not feeling very captial J-ish today? [09:12] :P [09:13] yay! someone's here! [09:13] highvolt1ge: I am nearly almost always here [09:13] http://lwn.net/Articles/175574/ [09:14] and http://www.kavlon.org/index.php/cb [09:14] Burgundavia: i saw that when you posted earlier, joined the group :) [09:15] looks like Userful is going to get a grant from the Canadian gov't to build an education solution [09:15] wow! great! [09:15] should be an interesting time === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [09:15] I am pushing the "use as much open source as possible" approarch [09:17] I have tried that colouring book. Not bad but probably not usable on a thin client, due to overhead [09:21] it's also very, very pre-release. [09:21] probably not of high enough quality for mass deployment yet [09:21] 'use as much oss as possible' is a good approach. [09:22] i get scared when people say 'completely OSS', which you see often in underexperienced management. [09:22] (or just plain ignorant) [09:24] userful is going to need some education in that area === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [09:29] JaneW: what was the verdict on the mailing list? anything else happen in the meeting of note? [09:30] busy writing an e-mail now... [09:38] sent === highvoltage reads Jane's e-mail to ubuntu-devel-announce and was a bit confused about the meeting time :) [09:42] highvoltage: WHY? :( === JaneW is trying to *avoid* confusion [09:43] JaneW: i thought it went out to edubuntu-devel :) [09:43] oic :) [09:43] highvoltage: does it makes sense in context then? [09:43] JaneW: yes :) [09:43] \o/ [09:43] now read mailing list one === JaneW 's back is aching [09:44] hasn't arived yet [09:44] well burning [09:44] JaneW: did you do something crazy, like running or climbing again? [09:44] running, kata boxing and yoga [09:44] followed by 2 days of just sitting for 9-10 hours in a row ;) [09:44] what about edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-educators [09:45] and not doing much else [09:45] Burgundavia: kinda makes sense, but then does ppl scared of the word 'devel' won't be covered [09:45] those looking for support [09:45] ya, but three is pretty bad [09:46] I have a poor guy now who posted a support question which never got answered and posted again and is not terrified he has been banned from the list [09:46] I think some devel lists are VERY STRICT [09:46] also ogra will be interested in e-devel and e-users but NOT e-educators.... [09:47] ubuntu-devel is getting stricter [09:47] sure 3 times as much spam for me to filter - that's the last thing I want :P [09:47] Burgundavia: and people like me are scared of the word 'educators' [09:47] two lists is all we need, nothing more, imho [09:48] JaneW: most devel lists are very strict, not as leniant as the ubuntu lists [09:48] actually, fedora-devel is more lenient that ubuntu and it hurts fedora [09:49] well, fedora is just a general mess-up [09:49] (but i didn't say that) [09:49] hmm, indeed [09:49] the support guys at work rip their hair out sometimes [09:50] anyway, I have to sleep [09:50] I need to move to Europe [09:50] fedora is awful to support. things were much better here since we moved to ubuntu. [09:50] ok, sleep tight, Burgundavia === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [09:55] highvoltage: so what about susan? [09:55] highvoltage: or is that what the drupal forum will be for? === highvoltage racks brains wondering who susan is [09:56] read mailing list :P [09:56] pips1 wants a forum, but i don't think it's a good idea. [09:56] From: Susan Addington [09:56] To: Edubuntu Edubuntu [09:56] Subject: Re: Mailing list name [09:56] Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:53:07 -0800 (21:53 SAST) [09:56] JaneW: i don't know, i think that's something that requires more thought [09:59] JaneW: it will be to our benefit to provide a platform for curriculum integration into edubuntu, but i would like to avoid forums if at all possible, they attract all kinds of trouble [10:00] JaneW: although, many 'educators' prefer forums to mailing lists, but i'm sure we can find some kind of compromise [10:00] JaneW: drupal has a nice 'books' plugin, which allow people to work collaboratively on... stuff. [10:01] JaneW: similar to a wiki, so perhaps that might be a good option as well [10:04] ok [10:04] pipsl seemed keen on the forums [10:04] can you discuss with him and decise which is best? [10:04] decide even === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [10:19] highvoltage: did you see my responses? [10:19] JaneW: yep, just responded :) [10:20] JaneW: i agree with what you say. [10:20] 3 lists is too much, at this stage. [10:20] ok [10:20] *are [10:33] JaneW: i agree with hedblom too, following the conventions are nice === highvoltage is fine with -users and -devel too [10:33] it can serve the same purpose === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.143.126] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.143.126] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #edubuntu [11:56] hody all === sivang searches for flint [12:00] flint: ping [12:01] who is co-ordinating the laptop testing team now? [12:01] sivang: he is never here except at meeitng time [12:01] sivang: try e-mail [12:01] sivang: also it;s still a bit early [12:02] sivang: after 13:00 UTC you'll have more chance of finding him up [12:02] JaneW: k, sure. You seen our email corrospondance regarding the backup solution? is what he talks about supposed to be an Edubuntu solution as well? [12:03] sivang: I read it and then filed it, I am not going to get into an argument about it ;) It's for you and Matt and maybe Oli to decide [12:11] JaneW: I'm happy with his suggestions and input, and I think it's a wothwhile goal to eventually provide a full blown system to restore from scratch without having to reinstall and then reapply backup, however I need to first let to get out with the first release of my solution :) === sivang writes en email === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] ogra: what's the URL for the cebit avi again? [12:34] http://80.237.148.5/cebit.avi [12:35] ty [12:38] what's that? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === herman_ [n=herman@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu === herman_ [n=herman@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:36] ogra: ping :) [01:36] esddsp is a replacement for esd? or just a wrapper? [01:36] spacey, pong [01:36] there seems to be no documentation for esd at all :P [01:36] its a wrapper that sets ESPAEKER and LD_PRELOAD [01:36] http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/dbdocs/book1.html [01:37] LD_PRELOAD is the problem, it makes firefox crash ... [01:37] so just call the desired application with esddsp? [01:37] so its userwide [01:37] i think you can only use it session-wide, yes [01:38] ah [01:38] thats too bad [01:38] there is a firefox bug anywhere in malone ... it breaks flash sound ... [01:38] yeah i know about that one [01:39] they don't have sound now anyway [01:39] epiphany same problem? [01:39] flash is flash, no matter iun which browser [01:39] :) [01:39] yeah ok [01:39] :) [01:39] but at least epiphany won't crash :) [01:39] and they don't have sound now anyway [01:39] i didnt try ... [01:40] if firefox [01:40] i think [01:40] in [01:40] so i'll try it when the kids go home :P [01:40] oh wait [01:40] i'll just try it with my own user :P [01:42] ogra: but you know how esddsp is suppose to run? [01:42] yes, as i said, its sets these two variables :) [01:43] less /usr/bin/esddsp [01:43] ;) [01:43] its a sheppscript [01:43] *shell [01:43] what i understood of it catched OSS output to esd [01:44] but i guess it can do that because of those two vars then :P [01:45] hmm, the last line in that script looks like it would be possible to run it for single programs [01:49] if its a wrapper it would make sense that way [01:49] hmhm /me gonna find a thin client to test [01:50] i was told the default esd needed some patches though, because it didn't capture open64 stuff. Is that something only needed on 64bit? or no idea? [01:51] the latter [01:52] anyway i patched it so i can try later. [02:00] ogra: i'm tempted to install Dapper flight 5 as a production system in two schools, do you think it's ready [02:01] nope, but if you can handle the glitches ... [02:02] hehe, i should've expected that :) === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [02:04] ogra: i think i'll hold on for flight 6, that should be relatively soonish (next three weeks or so), right? [02:04] likely === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=NONE@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === simon_ [n=simon@84.51.139.88] has joined #edubuntu [03:16] ltsp problem get to Gnome login manager but keyboard dosen't work. The mouse is fine === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.74] has joined #edubuntu === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.74] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=paolo@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [03:54] Hi guys! In my edub breezy I can't switch to the console when I have the gdm login screen. It happens only on one of my 5 ubuntu pc. What could be the reason? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [04:00] paolob, nvidia driver ? [04:06] ogra, I don't think so. Where do I check it? [04:07] grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:07] ogra, no, it's a "VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter" [04:08] the strange thing is that when I login in gdm the Alt-ctl-fx works. [04:09] it doesn't depend on the fact that there are services which aren't run. [04:09] sivang, pong [04:13] flint: seem my email, in a meeting now [04:15] sivang working on spam filter. last email I got named the project UPBackup. I responded. Take your time... :^) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [04:20] JaneW, no wlan with ltsp ... [04:21] ogra: dang, I feared that may be the case... [04:22] there is nothing like PXE or etherboot for wlan ... [04:23] i was planning something with jbailey but that would only create an CD iso with wireless support you could boot from ... [04:25] ogra: IIRC there was an etherboot for wlan, but I'd need to google for it [04:32] nothing we coulsd ship in any way [04:32] and kernel 2.4 based === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:36] oh well. can't be helped === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === edan [n=edan@84.228.11.112] has joined #edubuntu [04:48] i wanted to know if edubuntu supports hebrew can anyone help??? [04:49] edan, sivang could tell, he's busy with .il support in ubuntu [04:49] ogra, thnx === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b96486.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:23] edan: edubntu support hebrew out of the box, just as ubuntu does :) [05:23] edan: I'm myself a hebrew user, so I can witness the support is very good minus some cosmetic changes that might get fixed for the upcoming release. === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:32] sivang, thnx alot === C-O-L-T [n=NONE@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [05:40] edan: np, prob, check out www.ubuntu.org.il for more details. [05:40] ogra: now it's come to me that when I have a free minute I Need to add an edubuntu section there :-) [05:41] note that we can only include a limited amount of lang-packs on the CD ... [05:41] -il isnt among them, you should note on the wiki that you need a online connection during install to have it right away ... [05:42] sadly one -kde langpack has the size of 3 -gnome langpacks, they eat all the space [05:43] okay, thakns for the tip. I will [05:44] ogra: maybe we could do several CDs according to region ? [05:44] middle east , arabic, hebrew , wahtever, EU, english, germen etc.. === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu [05:45] sivang, not now that wer are in shipit [05:45] *we === |Terje| [n=Terje@ws42245.studby.hig.no] has joined #edubuntu [05:50] yes, I understand. === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-135-92.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:31] hey flint [06:31] i saw your ping before.. [06:31] sorry i wasn't around === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:32] ogra, for edubuntu, can we special case the kdeedu stuff and get it split into its own langpack? [06:37] i dont think our current langpack structure is able to do such fine grained tasks [06:37] well, lets think about this for dapper+1 then [06:37] yep [06:37] or +2 [06:38] my featurelist for +1 is already to full for a 4 month release [06:38] what are the goals for +1? [06:38] mainly local device support, new app selection and probably dropping of kdeedu [06:39] getting ltsp manager in and improving the student control panel [06:39] improving sound to not suck if possible [06:40] and indeed the standard ltsp enhancements i work on with the debian guys ... [06:41] on my whishlist are menu profiles and (at least the beginnigs of) a drag and drop menu app that enables you to easily create profiles === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [06:53] ogra, have you looked at sabayon? [06:54] Burgwork, yes, i want something different [06:54] you want something simpler? [06:55] yes [06:55] way simpler [06:55] like an empty frame you can drop panel entrys into ... [06:55] can you send the list a braindump of what you want and I can start brainstomring a UI [06:56] which then creates a single toplevel menu and hides the system menu [06:56] so users in a group that has assigned a menu profile will only see applications and places ... [06:57] since i suspect the menus will be very small, i thing the applications menu might not even have subcategories (all arguable indeed, i want to make a BOF or two about it at the next conf)... [06:58] I have a question... Is a GTK front end GUI the same as a Gnome frontend? [06:58] what is GTK more or less :) [06:59] GTK is a graphical toolkit that GNOME and XFCE use as their base [06:59] ok thank you :) [07:11] iGotNoTime: hiThereiGotNoTime [07:11] highvoltage, hello there :) === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:13] does anyone here run Asterisk? [07:14] iGotNoTime, we do at work === highvoltage does too, at work [07:15] Burgwork, well maybe you can help :P I have it, it is running now [07:15] Burgwork, but how do I get the web GUI on? [07:15] I tried localhost but it says denied [07:17] no idea [07:17] ok :) [07:18] I even used Synaptic to install the GTK frontend for it, but now can't find where it was installed to to run it LOL [07:22] *sigh* [07:23] i'm bored, but i can't get myself to work [07:23] :D === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [07:55] ogra, is it worth the hit to remove kdeedu? [07:56] i didnt count exactly, but my geass would be we'd have ~80-100Mb extra [07:56] *guess [07:57] what about the loss of functionality? [07:58] kalzium is something i'd cry about ... [07:58] kig is easily replaced with drgeo ... [07:59] dunno about kturtle replacements, but i guess i'd find one [07:59] ktuberling would be a big loss, as simple a program as it is [07:59] there are vocabular training programs written in gtk, that should also be no problem [07:59] there is a gtk periodic elements [08:00] not comparable to kalzium [08:00] no [08:00] and mostly dead [08:00] kalzium wins prizes all the time ... its a widely noticed app [08:01] i think i saw a ktuberling clone in gtk ... cant remember the name ... [08:02] there is a art for a ktuberling clone out there [08:02] just no app [08:02] maybe we can get Jeff Elkner to get his students to do one? [08:04] i was initially very against the removal of the kde edutainment suite, but since it's so easy to apt-get install afterwards, i suppose it's not really a big deal at all. [08:04] Burgwork++ [08:05] highvoltage, right and it gives us a ton of other apps or more languages ... [08:05] maintaining the CD currently really sucks [08:06] every flight i need to find something else to remove [08:06] ouch'= [08:06] ogra: i was wondering earlier about schooltool, it still needs to be added, right? and there's only a few KB left on the CD? [08:07] schooltool is on flight 5 :) === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === dozah [n=none@81-231-115-237-no51.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b95399.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] I am trying to add a printer, but don't know how [08:48] I selected Canon, but my model is not listed [08:48] the option to use driver is [08:48] but canon.com does not have a linux driver [08:48] any suggestion? [08:49] can I use an XP driver or no? === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:51] iGotNoTime: what model is your printer? [08:51] HedgeMag1, i470D [08:54] iGotNoTime: what make/model canon? [08:54] iGotNoTime: it isn't listed on linuxprinting.org, so chances are that it's not supported under Linux [08:54] right [08:54] yes canon i470D [08:54] iGotNoTime: try googling a bit and see if you come up with anything. [08:54] thank you :) === HedgeMage hugs her spiffy new HP printer. [08:55] iGotNoTime: linuxprinting.org can be very useful/helpful althuogh of course it may not exactly reflect the versions of ghostscript/gimp-print/foomatic/upsys etc. in your version of (ed)(k)ubuntu [08:55] ok [08:55] hrrm not even listed on linuxprinting.org that I can see [08:56] is this a high end printer ? maybe it does PCL or postscript? [08:56] else a cheapo inkjet type thing? [08:57] http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon [08:57] does the printer have another model/make or writing on the back etc. ?? === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:46] iGotNoTime: are you still about? [09:48] iGotNoTime: I found a brief reference to the Canon i470d on an archive of the fedora discussion list that suggests you can get *partial* functionality by using the driver for the Canon BJC800 [09:48] iGotNoTime: I'm not sure how "partial" it is, but it may be better than nothing === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [10:21] HedgeMage, Thank you :D [10:21] I was/am AFK because kids are home from school, but thank you :) [10:23] iGotNoTime: no problem, i have a kid, too, I know how it goes === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === darth865656 [n=vader@p54AFA15A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [11:24] hi there ;-) [11:25] got a question concerning the dapper-edubuntu [11:25] after installing and configuring my dhcp, clients boot etc but can't login at/to the server in the gui.. [11:26] has anybody an idea why? ;) === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:39] hi you all! [11:46] hello [11:47] HedgeMage: hi