[12:03] <Tonio_> allee: svg and looks much better
[12:03] <Tonio_> while ressembling a lot
[12:03] <Tonio_> no ?
[12:04] <toma> allee: i can send it to you, but i dont feel like working on digikam at this moment, I only maintain the parts i wrote of course.
[12:04] <Lure> I just turned 32 - so I can invite you for virtual beer... ;-)
[12:05] <robotgeek> congrats Lure 
[12:05] <Lure> and NM from cvs works ;-)
[12:05] <hunger> Congrats, Lure 
[12:05] <allee> toma: 'k.  No problem. If you find one send it.
[12:05] <robotgeek> awesome!
[12:05] <hunger> Lure: Next week I will invite you to a virtual beer for my 32 bday;-)
[12:06] <Lure> hunger: great!
[12:06] <allee> Tonio_: feel free to use it, but is it worth later merging efforts?  (mhhmm, a sf.net bug needs to be filed too)
[12:07] <Tonio_> allee: well, it is not complicated to do ;) not a lot of efforts ;)
[12:07] <allee> Tonio_: then go ahead :)
[12:08] <toma> allee: uploading to :smtp now.
[12:08] <allee> Lure: hey, hey congrats!
[12:09] <Lure> allee: thanks!
[12:09] <toma> (everyone seems to be able to 'upload' something, just adjusting my language here)
[12:09] <allee> lol
[12:10] <allee> toma: hint: ask for a revu account.  So you can upload too:)
[12:11] <toma> haha, nooo, that will create expectations ;-)
[12:11] <allee> toma: btw did you hear back from codeine upstream about you media: patch?
[12:12] <toma> haha
[12:12] <toma> no, i did not hear back
[12:12] <toma> he writes on his website 1.0.0 is final, so im not sure it will be accepted
[12:13] <allee> I sent him 2 or 3 mails about other stuff.  Ditto: no response
[12:13] <toma> and i dont think my lib compiles <3.5, so might need some more work
[12:13] <allee> toma: but he promounces usability.  And media: support is all about usability
[12:13] <toma> is it in kubuntu? 
[12:13] <toma> then we can patch it here, instead of upstream
[12:14] <allee> yes and no.  I'm still checking ... 
[12:14] <allee> toma: of course I could add the patch.  Just a lack of time  (/me feels guilty again)
[12:15] <toma> allee: if it is on alioth, I can take care of it if that is what you mean
[12:15] <allee> allee: yes, it's in alioth
[12:17] <toma> allee: i can add it, but we need some testers then, can we arrange an upload to experimental in that case?
[12:18] <toma> maybe switch to #debian-qt-kde?
[12:19] <allee> toma: it's not debian yet and waiting for NEW is no good idea.  We can upload to REVU and/or my private repo
[12:19] <allee> toma: you have no priv apt repo yet?
[12:20] <toma> no.
[12:21] <allee> I'll check that codeine in kubuntu and alioth match and tag it.
[12:22] <toma> ok, i will work on medialib soon, i comitted it to kdesvn btw
[12:22] <toma> paid-work is so eightees....
[12:30] <allee> toma: any response about medialib from other kde devels?
[12:30] <toma> nope
[12:32] <toma> but that is ok. I can put it into digikam when it is working 100%. Although we need to decide&discuss which part we need in digiKam...
[12:33] <toma> i think access like codeine will be enough & we should forget about a menu.. Media uses a few backends hal, fstab, etc. It is difficult to have it correct at all times
[12:33] <Tonio_> allee: I didn't though about that before, but is there a way to add png icons without modofying the tarball ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> ^^
[12:34] <toma> Tonio_: uudecode it
[12:34] <allee> toma: 1) plugin camera and get an entry in media action dialog (+ raise, change desktop, etc if digikam is running) 2) umount in digikam menu 3) whatever you like to add
[12:35] <Tonio_> toma: so uuencoding them, and uudecoding them while building ? nice idea ;)
[12:35] <allee> Tonio_: + sharutils build-dep 
[12:35] <toma> Tonio_: yes, indeed. Do not forget to add uudecode as a dependency else build will fail for the other platforms
[12:35] <toma> he
[12:36] <Tonio_> toma: of course :)
[12:36] <allee> FTBFS that is
[12:36] <toma> ;-)
[12:37] <toma> allee: sounds doable. I've compiled my kdelibs wrongly, so i'm seeing some problems now when hal is not used.
[12:37] <toma> first i want to finish the kdelibs logrotate patch for kabc file loss... 
[12:38] <allee> toma: I tought that's fixed?  Or do you mean automaticly-copy-last-on-zero-backup-if-kabc-file-is-empty?
[12:38] <allee> s/on/non/
[12:39] <toma> yes, that one, a saner backup strategy and restore it automatically when it is nuked
[12:40] <Lure> time for bed - good night everybody
[12:40] <toma> it's being reviewed now, hope to get it in kdesvn before 3.5.2
[12:40] <allee> nite Lure
[12:40] <toma> nite
[12:41] <toma> allee: i'm in doubt about kipi, the new htmlexport is something which should be good for dapper as well. 
[12:42] <allee> toma: have you tried it? (again I had no time yet)
[12:43] <toma> allee: yes, i played with it for a few seconds. I think it is ok. But I'll look into it further when there is interest
[12:43] <allee> toma: question is if htmlgallery replacement can be seen as fixes-several-bugfix and not as new-feature 
[12:44] <allee> toma: if it's good we can always put it in my repo and upload to debian
[12:44] <toma> true, but the old one is not removed, so in fact it is a new feature.
[12:44] <toma> but it is a lot better than the buggy export
[12:44] <allee> toma: the patch that add htmlgallery will remove imagegallery too
[12:45] <toma> sure?
[12:45] <allee> toma: yeah, you (or we) are doing the patch.  So why not?  imagegallery is buggy. So if there a better alternative.
[12:46] <toma> yes of course. 
[12:47] <allee> toma: ah, I remember you keep discuss in mpeg decoder bug report.  Is there anything to do for debian/kubuntu
[12:48] <toma> hmm, someone comitted a fix in svn for that
[12:48] <toma> im not into the details though
[12:48] <allee> I never used this plugin.  Did you try it?
[12:48] <toma> no, never
[12:48] <allee> :)
[12:48] <toma> kipi should be released upstream, but nobody will do that
[12:49] <toma> alioth already contains a very big branch pull
[12:49] <toma> maybe i should do that, but it has no advantages from the kubuntu/debian side.
[12:50] <allee> if this get's too messy we can create your own rc1+svnYYYMMDd tarball
[12:50] <toma> good idea
[12:51] <allee> but I followed kde-imaging only marginally this year so I don't know if other plugins got 'experimental' patches
[12:52] <toma> i remember only simpleviewer, but we can check the archives.
[12:52] <allee> toma: this is in bigpatch AFAIR
[12:52] <toma> yes, afair as well
[12:56] <toma> i see nothing obvious in the archives since the simpleviewer patch which we did not mention yet
[12:59] <toma> allee: hmmm, was your docbook commit correct? you changed your name recently?
[01:00] <allee> oh, did I reverse apply. checking ...
[01:05] <allee> toma: thx for noticing. this last minute change did not find it's way into dapper. I'll redo
[01:07] <toma> np
[01:08] <toma> ok, i'll reread this tomorrow to find my new todo-list, sleep for now. night allee
[01:09] <allee> toma: wait a bit
[01:09] <toma> k
[01:09] <allee> toma: should I apply your patch to codeine (in your name) or do you wnat to do it?
[01:10] <toma> feel free...
[01:10] <allee> 'k
[01:11] <toma> can i go to bed now?
[01:15] <toma> ok
[01:15] <toma> bye
[01:19] <allee> toma_: oh, sorry. Yes of course :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> dont know *what* it is about my wireless card, but i think my computer hates it..
[03:45] <richard> Anyone here can help?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> richard: no, not until you ask your question.
[03:46] <richard> I've got Wifi problems with Kubuntu Dapper 5. Same setup works flawlessly with Ubuntu Dapper 5
[03:46] <richard> Seems I can't enbale the configuration . . . .keeps disabling itself and will not allow configuration. . ..
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oh...that...
[03:47] <Hobbsee> does it crash when you hit configure as well?
[03:47] <richard> Yes
[03:47] <richard> What is it that Ubuntu does right that Kubuntu can't get right? 
[03:47] <Hobbsee> solution is weird - seems to be "get your card working via the command line, then it configures fine by GUI"
[03:48] <richard> What would I need to do at the command line?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !wifi
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hmm....no ubotu
[03:49] <Hobbsee> richard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[03:50] <richard> OK I'll give them a look see. . ..  it seems everyone Kubuntu release has given me this problems. Ubuntu works flawlessly with all releases. . ...
[03:50] <richard> Thanks for your help
[03:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntu has it's problems too - just see the network manager :P
[03:51] <richard> Thing is it finds my Wifi card and sets everything up effortlessly  for Internet connection. .  .
[06:26] <hendry> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[06:26] <hendry> who creates these ISOs?
[06:26] <robotgeek> why, is it cause they are slightly over size?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hendry: Riddell, i think
[06:27] <hendry> Riddell: are you about?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> he'll be asleep
[06:27] <Hobbsee> for a while
[06:27] <hendry> what tz is he on?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> UK
[06:28] <hendry> is I want a package list for kubuntu dist. where do i find it?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> packages.ubuntu.org
[06:28] <hendry> Hobbsee: that did't work for me
[06:28] <hendry> packages.ubuntu.org
[06:28] <Hobbsee> might be .com
[06:29] <hendry> Hobbsee: ok
[06:29] <robotgeek> hendry: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-5/dapper-install-powerpc.list
[06:29] <hendry> how do I know which packages are in Kubuntu?
[06:30] <hendry> robotgeek: oh. is that it? 
[06:30] <hendry> this ISO is built with at list like that?
[06:30] <robotgeek> hendry: one sec, hold on
[06:31] <robotgeek> hendry: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/dapper-install-i386.list a list like that
[06:32] <hendry> where is stuff like /isolinux /dists and /preseed kept
[06:33] <robotgeek> hendry: that will be in the iso. i am not sure, sorry
[06:33] <freeflying> hendry: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-dapper/
[06:34] <freeflying> hendry: that's you wanna
[06:35] <hendry> freeflying: they're design docs
[06:35] <hendry> useful
[09:48] <nlindblad> yay! A day off!
[10:02] <Tm_T> nlindblad: =)
[10:02] <Tm_T> nlindblad: I bet that was "accident"
[10:02] <nlindblad> it really was
[10:03] <Tm_T> you must be very "sorry"
[10:03] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:03] <nlindblad> today was gonna be the day I told that girl how I felt about her
[10:03] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:04] <nlindblad> s/felt/feel/g
[10:38] <Tm_T> ?
[10:40] <nlindblad> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackergotchi
[10:40] <Tm_T> aah
[10:45] <Tm_T> I wonder... should I be mean or not
[10:48] <nlindblad> ?
[10:48] <Tm_T> in #kubuntu 
I feel bad, nanananana</sing>
[10:49] <nlindblad> oh
[10:50] <Tm_T> oh well, more pills ->
[12:31] <Hobbsee> see you all in the meeting tomorrow
[12:31] <Hobbsee> hope i'll be awake!
[12:35] <nlindblad> anyone using bluetooth with KDE?
[12:41] <allee> nlindblad: yes.  But only with ISDN and mouse
[12:45] <nlindblad> okey
[12:47] <Hobbsee> night all...see you at 7am my time, 20.00 UTC
[12:47] <Lure> Hobbsee: night
[12:47] <Hobbsee> oh, hey... Lure - robotgeek mentioned that you'd done some work with knetworkmanager
[12:47] <Hobbsee> how far did you get?
[12:48] <Lure> Hobbsee: NM works for me (with ipw2200), knetworkmanager have still compilation issues
[12:48] <Lure> I will update my wiki page with progress
[12:48] <Hobbsee> what problems with compilation?
[12:48] <allee> Hobbsee: that's really early :( 
[12:48] <Lure> knetworkmanager does not have SVN/CVS repository, therefore I am using snapshot published in blog on Mar 11
[12:48] <Hobbsee> allee: 7am?  yeah, it is rather
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Lure: yep, i saw, i tried that too
[12:49] <Lure> dbus header files do not match the expected - maybe it is Suse vs. Ubuntu issue (as dbus is in heavy development)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> yep, that sounds familiar
[12:50] <Lure> good think is that ipw2200 will get updated soon in Ubuntu, therefore one dependacy less 
[12:50] <Lure> (still many to overcome) :-(
[12:51] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yay!
[12:51] <nlindblad> I suc
[12:51] <nlindblad> *suck
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:51] <nlindblad> I feel guilty about missing that bus
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Lure: it seems to mostly work with ndiswrapper - seems pretty buggy though - sometimes doesnt connect
[12:52] <nlindblad> she??
[12:53] <Hobbsee> nlindblad: yes
[12:53] <nlindblad> cool
[12:54] <Hobbsee> night all...
[01:14] <seaLne> its been awhile since i used debian reportbug, how am i supposed to include a patch? do you just stick it in the body of the message?
[01:15] <seaLne> ah ok you need to specify it as an option
[01:15] <seaLne> oh no actually "a"
[01:15] <seaLne> ignore my ramblings, sorry
[02:22] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[02:22] <kwwii> Riddell: want to make a list of things that we can still work on in the time left?
[02:24] <Riddell> kwwii: ok
[02:24] <Riddell> kwwii: dapper is delayed by the way, so plenty time
[02:25] <kwwii> Riddell: cool :-) erm, I mean...too bad it is delayed :-)
[02:26] <seaLne> is it ok in malone to file a bug that is in debian BTS?
[02:26] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[02:27] <seaLne> thought so
[02:27] <seaLne> thanks
[02:30] <nlindblad> dapper delayed?? Why?
[02:34] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperArtworkTodo
[02:35] <Riddell> anyone with artwork ideas they'd like kwwii to work on please add to that page
[02:36] <nlindblad> Riddell: why is it delayed?
[02:37] <Riddell> nlindblad: order of the sabdfl
[02:38] <nlindblad> okey
[03:13] <kwwii> Riddell: should we at least replace the help header pics?
[03:13] <kwwii> and what does "example content" mean?
[03:13] <kwwii> templates and such?
[03:14] <Riddell> example-content is a package, with random bits of clipart and files
[03:14] <Riddell> some of the files have an ubuntu theme, so they should be changed to kubuntu
[03:14] <kwwii> ah-ha, gotcha
[03:14] <Riddell> changing help header pics always seems like more bother than it's worth, means changing it in several places
[03:14] <kwwii> we can put the svg logos from the new work
[03:15] <Riddell> put on wiki?  certainly can
[03:15] <kwwii> yeah...but the header pics as they are now are really more fitting to the older desktop/theme
[03:15] <kwwii> we might add it as optional
[03:15] <kwwii> or "if time allows"
[03:16] <Riddell> if you think the help stuff could do with changing then we can do that, but I don't want to spend much time on it.  and for some reason the build system for the help stuff always ends up taking lots of time
[03:17] <Riddell> kwwii: apparantly there's a video in example context that is a recorded desktop session, we should try and get a kubuntu version
[03:17] <kwwii> I know exactly what you mean - I still have nightmares about theming the help system
[03:18] <kwwii> is it a screen capture?
[03:18] <Riddell> no idea, havn't seen it
[03:18] <kwwii> or a real video of someone using a computer?
[03:19] <kwwii> I'll check it out
[03:22] <kwwii> ok...I added the help stuff to the wiki
[03:34] <kwwii> oh wow...example content is full of ubuntu stuff
[03:35] <Tm_T> iiwwk!
[03:35] <kwwii> and no edubuntu
[03:35] <Tm_T> where?
[03:37] <kwwii> example-content
[03:37] <kwwii> and the video is a screen capture
[03:38] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:38] <Tm_T> I don't get it
[03:38] <Tm_T> but also, I'm known to be slow
[03:39] <kwwii> it's a package, with artwork, etc...from ubuntu and a few kubuntu - nothing to worry about :-)
[03:40] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:40] <Tm_T> and when I install it, I can check content by...
[03:42] <kwwii> looking in /usr/share/
[03:44] <Tm_T> yay!
[03:44] <Tm_T> ok, checking ->
[03:44] <Tm_T> I mean installing :p
[05:12] <raphink> haha :)
[05:12] <raphink> just fixed the k3bsetup bug :)
[05:12] <Tm_T> meh
[05:13] <raphink> hehe :)
[05:13] <nlindblad> I should probably learn C/C++ and howto use the KDE-libs with Python (that I know fairly good)
[05:14] <nlindblad> bughunting isn't that fun if you can't solve it
[05:14] <Riddell> raphink: ooh?
[05:14] <raphink> well there was no need for C/C++ knowledge to fix thiis one at least ;)
[05:15] <nlindblad> really?
[05:15] <raphink> Riddell: it was caused by the kubuntu_01_hide_k3bsetup.diff patch 
[05:15] <raphink> quite logivally
[05:15] <raphink> NoDisplay=true prevented it from working in kcmshell
[05:15] <jjesse> tried the wireless lan assistant last night, worked ok except it didn't get me an ip address via dhcp, had to do a sudo dhclient eth1
[05:15] <raphink> funnily enough
[05:15] <raphink> Riddell: so I removed this
[05:15] <raphink> and changed the Categories fields instead
[05:15] <raphink> so it doesn't appear in the K Menu
[05:15] <raphink> but works in kcmshell
[05:15] <raphink> :)
[05:16] <raphink> (tested it of course)
[05:16] <Riddell> raphink: what did you change categories to?
[05:16] <raphink> Riddell: I took the same as userconfig.desktop
[05:17] <Riddell> of course, so simple when you know how :)
[05:17] <Riddell> top stuff raphink 
[05:17] <raphink> Categories=Qt;KDE;X-KDE-settings-system;
[05:17] <raphink> :)
[05:17] <Tm_T> heh
[05:17] <Tm_T> raphink: yay!
[05:17] <Riddell> raphink: do you have main upload yet?
[05:17] <raphink> Riddell: i think this desktop should also be installed in /usr/share/applications/kde instead of /usr/share/applnk/Settings/System as it is now
[05:17] <raphink> but that's for another update
[05:18] <raphink> Riddell: yep, it's my first upload
[05:18] <raphink> and it was just accepted :)
[05:18] <raphink> so it worked :)
[05:19] <raphink> look on dapper-changes :)
[05:19] <Riddell> poke upstream to make them use XDG menus, there's limited point in us doing it
[05:20] <raphink> hmmm
[05:20] <raphink> well upstream regarding the package is debian imo
[05:20] <raphink> I closed the malone bug
[05:20] <raphink> and filed the patch to the kde bts and debian bts
[05:20] <raphink> since debian merged this patch some time ago and since then has been having the same bug
[05:21] <raphink> bad thing is that the DD applied the patch instead of using it in rules 
[05:21] <raphink> so he'll have to -R it before applying mine 
[05:21] <raphink> bt not my fault if he can't use correct patch systems ;)
[05:21] <raphink> I'm patching the source, not the patched package ;)
[07:14] <kmon> hi
[07:16] <kmon> there's a bug in the amarok 1.4 beta2 package which shows the splash screen even if you disable it in the options. Since this was working fine with previous beta package I assume the bug it's in the package, but I could be completely wrong :)
[07:17] <Riddell> kmon: that doesn't sound like a packaging bug, try complaining in #amarok
[07:17] <kmon> ok
[07:17] <Tm_T> nooooo
[07:17] <Riddell> Tm_T: hmm?
[07:17] <Tm_T> nothing =)
[07:18] <Tm_T> I'm just one of #amarok actives =)
[07:19] <Riddell> kmon: there you go, Tm_T will solve all your problems :)
[07:20] <Riddell> we do actually turn the splash screen off by default in kubuntu, so it's possible that messes with things, I don't see how though
[07:20] <Tm_T> let's see
[07:20] <Tm_T> I compile amaroK from svn so, now we see if it's package or not
[07:25] <kmon> Riddell: markey on #amarok says it's very likely a packaging error...
[07:26] <kmon> Tm_T: ok
[07:26] <Tm_T> kmon: just you wait
[07:26] <kmon> Tm_T: ok, thanxs
[07:29] <Tm_T> hah!
[07:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: doesn't happen in non-Kubuntu environment, only in Kubuntu ;)
[07:31] <Tm_T> I blame... you!
[07:32] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[08:17] <Tm_T> there's Qt4 in Ubuntu repositories, right? And I can run Qt4 apps in Kubuntu, right?
[08:25] <raphink> Tm_T: iirc you cannot have qt3 and qt4 installed at the same time
[08:43] <Tm_T> raphink: I can, and I think I do have
[08:44] <Tm_T> apt:/show?libqt4-gui
[08:44] <Tm_T> that's installed in my system
[08:44] <Tm_T> "Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtime library"
[08:45] <Tm_T> that for example
[08:47] <Tm_T> hmm, I think that answer to my question
[08:54] <Riddell> yes, qt 3 and qt 4 are fine together
[08:57] <raphink> ok
[08:57] <Tm_T> I thought so
[08:58] <Riddell> kmon, Tm_T: try with kubuntu-default-settings removed
[08:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: in 10min (when this track ends)
[09:01] <allee> MEETING!
[09:02] <Riddell> tsk, no jpatrick
[09:03] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:03] <Tm_T> I'm coming
[09:04] <Riddell> kmon: ping, #ubuntu-meeting
[09:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee!
[09:05] <Riddell> meeting
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[09:05] <Hobbsee> going
[09:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i actually made it this time, hehe
[09:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: argh! help!  i'm not used to bringing up points in meetings lol!
[09:12] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:12] <Tm_T> atleast I'm not the only one ;)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: thank goodness this isnt the CC meeting or something! 
[09:13] <Tm_T> haha
[09:13] <Tm_T> yeah, you can totally ignore this meeting ;)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick 
[09:14] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee 
[09:15] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[09:15] <jpatrick> I know
[09:15] <Hobbsee> ok :)
[09:16] <jpatrick> what did I miss?
[09:18] <Tm_T> me
[09:32] <nlindblad> hi jpatrick 
[09:32] <jpatrick> hey nlindblad 
[09:32] <nlindblad> should I join the meeting?
[09:32] <jjesse> nlindblad: sure :)
[09:32] <Tm_T> nlindblad: you _have_ to
[09:32] <nlindblad> oh
[09:32] <nlindblad> why?
[09:36] <Tm_T> because I say so
[09:36] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:37] <nlindblad> okey
[09:37] <nlindblad> :D
[09:40] <nlindblad> of course you are...
[10:07] <Tm_T> good night comrades
[10:07] <Riddell> robotgeek: Configure Desktop...
[10:08] <robotgeek> Riddell: just that i have to change in Guide :)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ping.  what timezone are you in?
[10:08] <kwwii> central europe
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hmmm...ok...
[10:09] <kwwii> you?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> AEST - aussie time
[10:10] <Hobbsee> it's 8,10 now
[10:10] <Hobbsee> am
[10:12] <kwwii> ouch, now that is a time difference
[10:12] <kwwii> so we'll meet every morning :-)
[10:12] <Hobbsee> kwwii: no....i wont be awake
[10:12] <Hobbsee> i'm at uni in the mornings, too
[10:12] <kwwii> lol
[10:13] <Hobbsee> but there's some overlap at night.
[10:13] <kwwii> yeah, I often stay up pretty late
[10:26] <bkjones> *sigh*
[10:31] <Hobbsee> bkjones: in regards to what?
[10:32] <bkjones> Got a new machine and want to see if turning on all the effects will still bog it down like it used to :)
[10:32] <kwwii> isn't there the bling-o-meter thingy
[10:32] <kwwii> whats is called again
[10:32] <bkjones> dunno - I like bling-o-meter, though. 
[10:33] <Hobbsee> *looks at time*
[10:33] <bkjones> I thought there was some slider thingy like that. 
[10:33] <allee> bye. 
[10:33] <Hobbsee> oh crud, i'd better get going if i want to make it to uni on time today...
[10:33] <Lure> Hobbsee: have a nice day
[10:34] <Hobbsee_away> will do ;)
[10:34] <toma> Riddell: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1868
[10:34] <Hobbsee_away> i'd take my laptop in, but it doesnt connect
[10:35] <Riddell> toma: yeah, he's getting quite competitive is our beineri
[10:35] <kwwii> raphink: can you point me to the info for getting my broadcom chip up on my ppc laptop?
[10:35] <raphink> Riddell: just found out my k3b patch also turns on the K3B module in systemsettings :D
[10:35] <toma> Riddell: yeah, i saw hime beating on gnome yesterday iirc
[10:35] <raphink> kwwii: huh?
[10:36] <kwwii> erm....or maybe it was someone else :-)
[10:36] <raphink> I guess so
[10:36] <raphink> I don't know what you're talking about 
[10:36] <raphink> although I'm on a ppc, too
[10:36] <kwwii> hehe
[10:36] <kwwii> the wlan card
[10:36] <Riddell> raphink: hmm, it will do that.  try and edit /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu to fix it
[10:37] <raphink> Riddell: why?
[10:37] <kmon> raphink: I would love to have kinfocenter & ksystemlog on systemsettings as well
[10:37] <raphink> Riddell: it's good to be able to set K3B in systemsettings, no?
[10:37] <raphink> kmon: kinfocenter is not a kcmshell module imo
[10:37] <raphink> it's a standalone app
[10:37] <Riddell> raphink: no, we should need to change anything, it should just work
[10:37] <Riddell> shouldn't
[10:38] <raphink> Riddell: there, just what I said :)
[10:38] <kmon> raphink: oh, I see... pitty
[10:38] <raphink> Riddell: I just said k3b setup works in systemsettings now
[10:38] <raphink> it wouldn't show up before
[10:38] <raphink> as it should have
[10:38] <Riddell> raphink: we don't want it to show up, there shouldn't be a need to have to set up k3
[10:38] <raphink> hmmm ok
[10:39] <raphink> :s
[10:40] <raphink> then I'll have to change it ;)
[10:43] <raphink> hmmm
[10:43] <raphink> doesn't seem to work
[10:44] <nlindblad> I guess I could get more involved in translation
[10:44] <nlindblad> but I'm not sure whether my language is good enough
[10:49] <nlindblad> what are your opinions on this?
[10:50] <Riddell> raphink: did you ever do that MP3 .desktop file for adept installer?
[10:51] <raphink> hmm no
[10:51] <toma> Tonio_: can you send me your patch and show me your problem?
[10:51] <raphink> I didn't because there were issues with it
[10:51] <raphink> didn't go further
[10:53] <raphink> Riddell: ok my fix is removing X-KDE-settings-system; from the Categories
[10:53] <raphink> so it won't show up in systemsettings
[10:53] <raphink> it's something I've added actually and shouldn't have
[10:53] <Riddell> raphink: won't it then show up in the k-menu?
[10:54] <raphink> let me check
[10:54] <raphink> I don't think so
[10:54] <raphink> if I keep Qt;KDE;
[10:54] <raphink> only
[10:54] <raphink> I don't add System;
[10:54] <raphink> no it doesn't show
[10:55] <raphink> I just have Categories=Qt;KDE;
[10:55] <Riddell> yeah, that should be fine, it needs Core; to show in the top level
[10:55] <raphink> and it works
[10:55] <Riddell> ok, sorted
[10:55] <raphink> so I'll do that
[10:55] <raphink> hmm
[10:55] <raphink> should I try to move the .desktop to /usr/share/applications/kde too?
[10:56] <raphink> instead of /usr/share/applnk/Settings/System
[10:56] <nlindblad> some KDE apps are in need of Swedish translations
[10:56] <nlindblad> I'd be more than happy to help out
[10:56] <raphink> then please do :)
[10:56] <nlindblad> I will
[10:57] <nlindblad> but Rosetta only has GNOME apps atm
[10:57] <nlindblad> (mostly)
[10:57] <raphink> you can translate the pot files directly
[10:57] <Riddell> raphink: no, poke upstream but it doesn't add anything
[10:57] <raphink> ok
[10:58] <Riddell> raphink: the point of moving those files to use XDG is so they show up in gnome's app menu, but this isn't an app
[10:58] <raphink> so I'll just remove the X-KDE-settings-system; thingy 
[10:58] <nlindblad> would be neat if kde-18ln would be in Rosetta!
[10:58] <Tonio_> toma: no pb ;)
[10:59] <toma> nlindblad: for who?  kbabel is much nicer to use then rosetta
[10:59] <Tonio_> toma: in a "non-collaborative" opinion ;)
[11:00] <Tonio_> toma: email for the patch ?
[11:00] <nlindblad> toma: okey so I'd just get in touch with the main translator and help the whole KDE project then?
[11:00] <toma> Tonio_: tomalbers@kde.nl
[11:00] <toma> nlindblad: for kde apps that is your only option
[11:01] <Tonio_> toma: email sent
[11:01] <nlindblad> toma: right
[11:01] <toma> nlindblad: although sv has an impressive track record: http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk/sv/
[11:01] <nlindblad> toma: I'll send a nice mail tomorrow asking if I could help out
[11:01] <raphink> Riddell: uploading new version that won't show in systemsettings
[11:01] <raphink> ;)
[11:01] <nlindblad> toma: yeah
[11:01] <Tonio_> that makes the system:/ pointing to $HOME wieh clicking on the home icon
[11:01] <nlindblad> toma: but there are some apps not in there, I guess
[11:02] <toma> nlindblad: example?
[11:02] <Tonio_> toma: the issue is that the "system" tab of the konqisidebar doesn't work
[11:02] <nlindblad> toma: well, maybe those were obsolete anyway
[11:02] <toma> Tonio_: ok, let me quickly glance at it
[11:03] <nlindblad> adept is not translated!!
[11:03] <Tonio_> toma: thaks a lot ;)
[11:03] <nlindblad> the tray icon says "no updates needed"
[11:04] <nlindblad> am I the only Swedish guy in here?
[11:04] <toma> nlindblad: ok, ask the swedish team what to do... it is a problem that kde already has translations, that means it will collide with any rosetta effords
[11:05] <nlindblad> toma: okey, I'll stick with the Swedish KDE translation team then
[11:05] <nlindblad> and focus on things you guys consider important
[11:06] <toma> well i dont know if kubuntu needs translations, but i guess you already looked at that.
[11:06] <nlindblad> toma: some apps, Adept for example
[11:06] <toma> isnt that in kde svn also?
[11:07] <nlindblad> well, it's not translated
[11:08] <toma> http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk/sv/playground-sysadmin/index.php
[11:12] <toma> Tonio_: why do you check if readURL() is empty and then insert readPath() ?
[11:14] <Tonio_> toma: because the home.desktop is the only one that doesn't have an URL entry, but it has a PATH one ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> system.desktop or trash.desktop have an URL one
[11:15] <Tonio_> toma: this is to patch the home part only
[11:16] <toma> ah ok...
[11:25] <kwwii> night all
[11:36] <Tonio_> kwwii: nite :)
[11:42] <toma> Tonio_: this is the failure:
[11:42] <toma> the sidebar requests the contents of system:/
[11:43] <toma> it expects entries back in the form system:/bla, system:/foo
[11:43] <toma> but it now gets back file:///home/bla
[11:43] <Tonio_> toma: I have seen that ;)
[11:43] <Tonio_> toma: are you able to provide a patch for this ?
[11:44] <Tonio_> toma: I personnaly can't
[11:44] <toma> hmm, but it should get system:/home back in that stage
[11:45] <Tonio_> toma: either in fact
[11:45] <Tonio_> that system section isn't widely used I think (at least less than the systemapplet)
[11:45] <Tonio_> I don't mind if system:/home is used there
[11:46] <Tonio_> toma: of course the best would be that it accepts /home/foo in the first place :)
[11:46] <toma> Tonio_: yeah, but i dont think that is possible
[11:47] <toma> of course anything is possble...
[11:48] <Tonio_> toma: hehe ;) do what you think is the most possible ;)
[11:49] <Tonio_> toma: the only important thing is that systemapplet uses $home and konqsidebar doesn't crash ;)
[11:59] <toma> Tonio_: i'm not able to fix this issue easily
[12:00] <Tonio_> toma: know someone that can deal with it ?
[12:00] <toma> Tonio_: also i think it should be fixed in a more generic way
[12:00] <Tonio_> toma: yes but that is a hudge work....
[12:00] <toma> yes. 
[12:01] <toma> it sucks, i agree
[12:02] <toma> im surprised your patch works that good
[12:02] <toma> maybe you should remove system from the sidebar, i dont thing that is a great loss
[12:03] <toma> good nite