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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Moved the newline migration script to the archive directory as is not being used anymore (r3270: Carlos Perello Marin)12:51
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carlosmorning09:55
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kikohello09:55
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carlosstub: hi10:04
carlosstub: do you think my removal request is doable? or should I provide you an script?10:04
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sabdflhey lunchpadders10:59
highvoltagehi. anyone else having trouble accessing launchpad?10:59
spivhighvoltage: Seems ok from here11:00
sabdflhighvoltage: looks fine from here11:00
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highvoltageok, thanks... i'll investigate further.11:00
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highvoltageok, there it works again. probably dodgy connection this side. cheers!11:03
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stubcarlos: should be fine. I have a script for removing a single potemplate - I just need to loop it.11:05
jordihey11:05
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jordido we have any lp meeting today11:05
carlosstub: ok, cool11:06
carlosstub: about the hours swapping, do you think it's possible?11:06
stubhours swapping?11:07
carlosstub: I msg it 11:08
carlos<carlos> we will need a cherry pick later today11:08
carlos<carlos> and kiko suggested me to ask you if you could swap some hours to be around early tonight (early in the morning for you)11:08
Martoloddo someone know why there are not all packages available here : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/br ?11:09
carlosso I have time to implement it, get a review and land it into rocketfuel11:09
Martolodif i want to translate gnome-menus for example, how can i do ?11:09
carlosMartolod: because dapper is not yet open to translate11:09
carlosMartolod: is being imported atm11:09
stubI can be around until about 17:00 UTC. After that it is pointless as I'll fall asleep.11:10
Martolodcarlos, ok ! 11:10
carlosstub: the idea is not to have you around until late, but to leave early and start also early tomorrow morning so we get it sorted before I go to sleep testing it first on staging11:11
Martolodcarlos, in about how many times do you think it will be open to translate ?11:11
stubwhat time UTC?11:11
carlosstub: around 20:00 UTC should be enough so I have time to test it. If it's too early for you 21:00 UTC would work too but not much more later11:12
carlosMartolod: we are working on it already, I guess at the end of the week we would have all imported. But anyway, we will announce it11:12
stubThats 3am. I can't really do that - I'm on enforced 'normal' hours due to the amount of sun this apartment gets. no sleeping in!11:13
carlosstub: I could do it as two cherry picks if you prefer it so you don't need to swap hours11:13
carlosoh, 3AM...11:13
carlosI understand it...11:13
Martolodcarlos, ok perfect ;)11:14
carlosstub: how much time would it take an staging update that is not going to change the DB schema?11:15
stubtakes the same amount of time - I just fire off a script.11:15
stubYou can get access to push the button if this is going to be a problem.11:16
carlosstub: well, What I want to do is to be able to test my changes on staging so you can do the cherry pick while I'm sleeping and get all changes in place on production tomorrow morning at UK11:16
carlosso I don't need to be around when you do the cherrypick on production11:17
carlosso If I could get access to update staging today, that would be good11:17
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seb128hi11:18
carlosand I will send a normal cherry pick request to you11:18
carlosseb128: hi11:18
seb128hey carlos11:18
seb128kiko: what did you do !!!11:18
kikome?11:18
kikowhat have I done?11:18
seb128you are responsive for launchpad11:19
seb128seems new update dropped the "milestone" feature11:19
seb128how do I set the bugs I want to look at for dapper now?11:19
seb128and please tell me you didn't drop the data for the pile of bugs I milestoned for dapper for months now11:19
carlosseb128: I still see that option....11:21
carlosNothing changed here...11:21
seb128https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/35153/+editstatus11:21
Ubugtumalone bug 35153 in nautilus "Drive properties aren't helpful" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  11:21
carlosseb128: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/31697/+editstatus11:22
Ubugtumalone bug 31697 in rosetta "Wrong number of items to translate" [Major,Confirmed]  11:22
seb128do you have it?11:22
seb128I've no dropdown box under "milestone"11:22
kikoit hasn't been dropped, it was unvoluntarily dropped from the search page, but that was all11:22
seb128kiko: so I hit a bug, because editstatus page has not drop-down box for it11:22
carlosseb128: that smells like a bug11:22
carlosseb128: you have the label there but the selection box is not there...11:23
seb128exactly11:23
carlosseb128: bug, bug, bug11:24
seb128but there was some discussion about dropping milestone and using backport page or something like that11:24
seb128so I though it was the first step for that plan maybe :p11:24
carlosseb128: well, our top priority is annoy you, you know... so we don't need an excuse...11:26
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seb128dunno if you make it a priority but you do it well anyway ;p11:27
carlosseb128: do you feel the pain? I mean, the love? :-P11:28
carlosbradb: Did you see seb128's complain?11:29
BjornTseb128: there was a change not to allow everyone to set the milestone. it could be that the permissions are a bit too restrictive though11:31
bradbseb128: There was no data loss.11:31
seb128I think he put me to an ignore list or something :p11:31
seb128I should not complain every week :p11:31
bradbseb128: The change made was that only someone with launchpad.Edit can edit milestones on tasks.11:31
seb128bradb: ah, so please give me launchpad.Edit :)11:31
bradbFew people have this permission, though mdz should be one of them.11:31
bradber, launchpad.Edit on the distribution, that is11:31
seb128hum11:32
seb128how can I organize my work so?11:32
bradbThe reason you're seeing no widget is because a read-only view of the field is what gets rendered if you don't have the perms to edit the field. When that field has no value, it looks oddly blank.11:32
seb128I've to start writting stuff to a TODO on my desktop now because the bugtracker decided I'm not abilited to organize what I want to do on my own packages now? :p"11:33
bradbI'll take a look at how launchpad.Edit on a distribution is currently configured11:33
seb128how long is that likely to be broken?11:33
seb128but I really need to start planning stuff on the desktop to fix for dapper this week11:34
seb128I'm already doing so for some weeks in fact, but we have a bug day tomorrow for that11:34
bradbIt's not broken based on what mdz_ told me to do.11:36
bradbThough it sounds like it's broken compared to what you expected.11:36
kikoseb128, I think you just need to be added to a group, them11:36
kikothen11:36
bradbhttps://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-drivers11:36
kikobradb, well, it's a bit broken if the output is a confusing blank :)11:37
seb128kiko: it's likely every maintainer will have the issue, so you should add every maintainer to that group :p11:37
bradbkiko: yeah11:37
seb128bradb: it just takes away the way I had to organize my work for dapper11:37
seb128we have like 1 thousand of desktop bugs, we need a way to list those to fix for dapper11:38
seb128reading the complete list every day is not an option :)11:38
bradbMaybe we should add another team.11:38
seb128but why do I need a team to decide what I want to do with my packages?11:39
bradbseb128: Can you get ahold of mdz somehow?11:39
seb128will do11:39
bradbseb128: kiko said he wanted to talk to mdz to sort out how we should config the teams/perms for this.11:41
seb128works for me if mdz shows up today11:41
seb128I really would appreciate to have it working tomorrow for the bug day11:42
bradbAs soon as you can get ahold of mdz, we can make progress.11:45
seb128cool11:45
seb128bradb: another anyoing issue atm is that typing some keyword to the query entry for the bugs on a package list all the closed bugs too11:46
carlosseb128: I suppose you can ping jordi or daf to ask mdz to ping you. I think he's on the l10n sprint11:47
jordimdz not here11:47
carlosjordi: I thought it was there....11:47
jordihe was supposed to fly to LA today, but I think he's staying until Friday11:47
jordidunno where he is tho11:47
carlosok11:47
jordisomewhere in South Kessington :)11:48
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bradbseb128: Yeah, the search issue is known (bug 34046). Unfortunately, I haven't had much time for firefighting on the new bug listing yet.11:50
Ubugtumalone bug 34046 in malone "Default search shouldn't include "Fix Released" bugs" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3404611:50
seb128carlos: is dapper imported to rosetta now?11:50
carlosseb128: no, being imported but not yet done a full import11:50
carlosworking on it11:50
seb128carlos: when should people start looking on GNOME stuff by example,11:51
carlosseb128: most GNOME packages are already imported, but there are some missing11:51
carlosseb128: we will announce it to the translators11:51
carlosdon't worry about that11:51
seb128I'm not worried, I just want to know if we can start working on it now11:52
seb128or if we are going to create extra divergence from upstream we have no way to undiverge later11:52
carlosseb128: well, most of what's imported already is up to date11:55
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carlosseb128: anyway, I requested the removal of all templates that are from universe11:56
seb128good11:56
carlosso I prefer if you don't give the go to anyone until that's done11:56
carlosso we don't get users working on useless templates11:56
seb128right11:57
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seb128hey mdz_12:09
mdz_morning12:10
seb128mdz_: I was complaining to kiko and bradb than my right to set a milestone has been revoked and they said you ask for that change ... :)12:11
seb128not specificly for me I mean12:11
seb128but the possibility to set a milestone for "ordinary people"12:12
mdz_you are not an ordinary person12:12
mdz_kiko: ?12:12
bradbmdz: kiko's talking CVs or something with SteveA 12:15
bradbmdz: so, only this team now has perms to edit milestones: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-drivers12:16
bradbthey are the distribution "registrant"12:16
mdzbradb: thanks12:16
mdzthat team's current membership is insane though12:16
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bradbthere are various ways to solve this problem, i think12:17
mdzit was created for purposes of managing the schedule in montreal12:17
mdzI will fix it12:17
bradbmdz: so, you think you can fix it sufficiently by reconfiguring teams? (you can also add a subteam or use an existing team and make it a subteam of that team.)12:17
jameshI think the membership of that team reflects what was needed, permissions wise, to run UBZ12:17
mdzjamesh: correct12:18
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bradbkiko also proposed the idea of having milestones be assignable to different owners through the UI, and having milestone owners be able to assign bugs to those milestones12:18
mdzseb128: try now?12:18
seb128mdz: works fine, thank you!12:19
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kikomdz, hello there12:19
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mdzkiko: good morning friend12:20
kikomorning good friend12:20
kikohow are things on your hemisphere of london?12:20
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kikomdz, we need to sort out the milestone issue12:25
mdzkiko: my hemisphere of london continues much as it has this past age12:26
mdzkiko: full of its own comings and goings, blissfully unaware of the existence of hobbits12:26
seb128kiko: mdz did a "distro-team is ubuntu-drivers" change which fixes it nicely for me :)12:26
seb128is part of ubuntu-drivers rather12:26
mdzkiko: I have implemented a reasonable workaround for now, but yes, I think we need to discuss it12:26
kikomdz, all right12:27
bradbstub: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DatabaseSetup doesn't seem to tell me how to get PostgreSQL 8.1 installed under Breezy. Are there 8.1 packages around somewhere for Breezy?12:28
Kinnisondude, breezy is the past12:29
Kinnisonget with the future12:29
Kinnisonbut, erm, installing postgresql-8.1 should do it12:29
bradbRetro is cool12:29
kikobradb, yes, there are 8.1 backports, use breezy-backports12:29
mptbradb, worked for me12:31
Kinnisonand associated packages12:34
mdzThe bug contacts for xserver-xorg (Ubuntu) have been subscribed to this bug.12:43
mdz!12:43
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SeveasUbugtu is now being prepared to track bans in Ubuntu channels. I want to provide a web interface to its database and would like to use launchpad for authentication and have read several pages in the launchpad wiki about the authserver. Is it possible to get access to the authserver from Ubugtus host (which is in NL)?01:06
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Seveashmm - let me repeat my question now that the LP developers are back 01:28
SeveasUbugtu is now being prepared to track bans in Ubuntu channels. I want to provide a web interface to its database and would like to use launchpad for authentication and have read several pages in the launchpad wiki about the authserver. Is it possible to get access to the authserver from Ubugtus host (which is in NL)?01:28
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spivSeveas: The authserver isn't really appropriate for use by external systems, unfortunately.01:28
Seveastoo bad01:29
spivSeveas: I'd like to add OpenID support to launchpad, but that's not currently scheduled.01:29
spivThere's a bug about it, in theory it would be a clean way to do this.01:29
Seveasis there an easy way to use launchpad for authentication available now?01:29
jameshSeveas: not outside of the Canonical datacentre01:30
spivWell, it's not very convenient for a web interface, but you can get all the GPG information for a team from the +rdf page for that team.01:30
spivSo you could use that.01:30
spivBut otherwise, it's as jamesh says.01:30
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Seveashehe01:30
spivKinnison: I've seen IRC bots work much like that before :)01:30
Seveaswell, it's just for the web interface http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi01:31
Seveasso no instructions in IRC 01:31
=== Kinnison has a vested interest in launchpad supporting openid
Kinnison(I.E. I sodding well want it)01:31
KinnisonBut then again, I want launchpad to support it both ways around01:31
spivSeveas: it's bug 116901:31
Ubugtumalone bug 1169 in launchpad "Launchpad should support OpenID" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/116901:31
spivKinnison: Yeah, I can't see launchpad being an openid client anytime soon... it's an interesting idea though.01:32
bradbWhy even sign things to control Ubugtu? If it can ask Launchpad "do you know about this (registered IRC) user?" that would be enough, no?01:32
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Kinnisonspiv: It'd be nice if it could be01:32
Kinnisonspiv: I want OpenID for centralising all my web logins01:32
Kinnisonand I'd love for that to not have to be Launchpad01:33
spivKinnison: Right, you'd just need to centralise them on Launchpad ;)01:33
KinnisonAye, I'd prefer that to be my homepage rather than launchpad but I guess I could delegate to launchpad from my homepage01:33
Kinnisonthat'd do01:33
Kinnison:-)01:34
spivIf only wordpress supported openid for authors...01:34
Kinnisonyay for openid delegating01:34
KinnisonThere's python modules for openid01:34
Kinnisonand they seem fairly simple01:34
spivThere sure are.01:34
spivI know one of the people behind the python module.01:34
KinnisonCool01:35
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Kinnisonnnnnnn....nnnnnnnnL01:35
Kinnisonwhere #n is large01:40
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SeveasKinnison, spiv: can either of you tel me how the mbox_sha1sum is generated?02:10
sivangoh cool02:11
Seveasit's not simply the sha sum of the email address ot mailto:email@dress02:11
sivangall my revisions scanned and reported :)02:11
sivangSeveas: what are you inventing now? :)02:11
Seveassivang, bantracker02:11
sivangSeveas: ohh, sexy02:11
SeveasI just nailed the login by simply using urllib2 02:11
sivangyou mean, from IRC yes? using Ubugtu ?02:12
Seveasbut now I'm struggling with the team rdf page02:12
Seveasno, http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bans.cgi02:12
Seveasthat one is going behind authentication02:12
Seveasand only members of a certain launchpad team are allowed to see it02:12
sivangso, you're gonna track who was banned from which channel of ubuntuland?02:13
sivangwhy you need to tracking?02:13
Seveasmainly #ubuntu but it's open to any channels Ubugtu is in02:13
Seveasbecause it's been asked several times02:13
Seveasto track abusive users/repeatedly banned users02:13
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sivangSeveas: cool, then we would be able to ban them on a regular basis02:18
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sivangDavid is ont leave or something?02:19
sivangah, probably sprinting..02:19
Seveaslikely02:20
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Seveashmm03:06
Seveasecho 'my@address' | sha1sum != python -e 'sha.new(my@address).hexdigest()'03:07
Seveasthe latter matches launchpad03:07
Seveasbut launchpad is incorrect, according to the spec it should be the sha1sum of mailto:my@address and not the sha1sum of my@address03:07
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stubSeveas: return sha.new(preferredemail.email).hexdigest().upper()03:26
Seveasstub, yeah, I found that already, it's wrong though, foaf spec says mailto:address@domain.tld should be used03:27
stubSeveas: If that is wrong, please open a bug citing the spec. I don't think we have anyone in the team currently up on the FOAF spec03:27
Seveasok03:27
=== stub wonders why the mailto: noise might be desirable
Seveasquote: "A foaf:mbox_sha1sum of a foaf:Person is a textual representation of the result of applying the SHA1 mathematical functional to a 'mailto:' identifier (URI) for an Internet mailbox that they stand in a foaf:mbox relationship to."03:28
Seveasit's a URI03:28
stubSo no reason ;)03:29
Seveas03:31
Seveasanyway, filed as bug 3519803:31
Ubugtumalone bug 35198 in launchpad "FOAF mbox_sha1sum is incorrect" [Minor,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3519803:31
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dokocarlos: ping03:53
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carlosstub: hi03:59
carlosstub: no answer from admins....03:59
carlosstub: I talked with kiko and see agreed on giving me rights to update staging so I guess you could do it before leaving to sleep04:00
carloss/see//04:00
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stubcarlos: I need your public ssh key04:02
carlosok04:03
stubCan you put it on chinstrap where I can get it?04:03
carlosstub: https://launchpad.net/people/carlos/+sshkeys04:03
stubThat will do to04:03
stubcarlos: done04:05
kikokaltes klares wasser04:06
carlosstub: thank you04:06
flintmdz, you awake? what is your 20?04:06
flintfabbione, ping04:07
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mdzflint: I am still in London; I sent you a text04:15
flintmdz gotta learn how to use text... hate my nokia.  no problem. do well.04:18
flintsksk04:18
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elmoNo packages matching 'linux-source-2.6.15' are published in Ubuntu.05:23
elmo'sup with that?05:23
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kikoelmo, we've decided to move to freebsd05:34
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=== kiko was kicked off #launchpad by kiko (get lost punk)
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=== lakin doesn't understand this: When comparing the signed code of conduct with the reference copy, white space differences are ignored. You may wish to use this fact to alter the checksum of the signed content.
SteveAlakin: hello06:12
SteveAso, you can download code of conduct text06:12
SteveAand you can change the whitespace in it, by adding extra spaces or tab or return characters06:12
lakinI mean I understand technically what it means, but why would I want to alter the checksum?06:12
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=kiko]  Makes a bug's status for the current context editable without going to a separate page, if JavaScript is available. (r3271: Matthew Paul Thomas, Brad Bollenbach)06:12
SteveAand it will still be recognised as a valid code of conduct06:13
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SteveAthe reason is that there is a hypothetical attack on the system of signing texts with public/private key pairs06:13
SteveAwhere someone could generate something that would have the same signature as the code of conduct06:14
SteveAand then make it look like you signed both the code of conduct, and this other document06:14
SteveAif you believe that the attack is feasible, you should change the code of conduct by changing whitespace in it06:14
SteveAso that an attacker will not know exactly what it is you signed06:14
SteveAand so will not be able to produce the alternative document06:15
SteveAi think that's it anyway :-)06:15
SteveAi'm not an expert at this06:15
SteveAthere is a bug in launchpad about this06:15
lakinok, neat.  I figured it was for security reasons06:16
jameshand allowing for whitespace changes also fixed the problem of people unintentionally introducing such changes :)06:23
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: r=BjornT Fix sqlvalues so it works with SQLObject and DBSchema items; removes the convert_to_sql_id hack and cleans up the callsite (r3272: Christian Reis)06:33
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kikoyes!06:35
mpt_lakin, SteveA, I have code waiting for review that will explain that better on the page itself06:49
lakinmpt_: nice ... does it explain that you can't remove all the whitespace from between words?06:50
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dilysMerge to test/launchpad/sourcecode/sqlobject/: [r=stub,rs=kiko]  Add prejoin optimisation API to SQLObject. (r47: Andrew Bennetts)07:04
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kikoYES07:15
kikoYES07:15
kikoYES07:15
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mdzkiko: ?07:30
mdzoh, prejoin07:30
kikoyes07:34
sladenthis URL shows zero bugs:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bugs07:40
Kinnisonbecause the bugs aren't targetted at dapper07:40
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: r=bradb Refactor BugTaskSet searching to unify the privacy SQL code (r3272: Christian Reis)07:40
mpt_mdz, how often and why is a bug targeted at Dapper?07:41
mpt_https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs shows 11 bugs. Are they all accidents? Might the bugs there be deliberate one day?07:42
mpt_lakin: "If you want to, add extra spaces or blak lines between words in the file. (This protects against the authors of the code trying to use your signature for anything else.)"07:45
mpt_blak -> blank07:45
mpt_So, no mention of *removing* spaces :-)07:45
lakinmpt_: yeah, that sounds good.07:46
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kikompt_, talk to me about that subject.07:46
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  Fixes bug 1001 (Distribution shouldn't have 'Change Members' etc for those who can't), bug 3192 (People presented with broken 'Unsubscribe from Bounty' link), bug 5792 (The generalform code doesn't accept a facet declaration in the zcml), bug 31839 (Team shouldn't have 'Edit Members' etc for people who can't), and bug 32269 (Bug editing page should have 'Bugs', not 'Overview', menu items). (r3273: Matthew Paul Thomas)09:13
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Kinnison Je m'en vais, dans un avion...09:34
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: rs=SteveA Move the batching code from canonical.lp to canonical.launchpad.webapp (r3274: Christian Reis)09:38
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MarHoolozHi all10:36
MarHoolozi need help10:40
MarHoolozabout launch pad10:40
MarHoolozi'm new ubuntu user from poland10:41
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carlosMarHooloz: hi, just ask and we will try to help you10:58
MarHoolozhello10:58
MarHoolozmy english is not good10:59
MarHoolozbecause i'm polish user10:59
MarHoolozi want to get ubuntu10:59
MarHoolozbut i like if postman delivery Cd to my home11:00
carlosMarHooloz: you can request Free cds at https://shipit.ubuntu.com11:01
MarHoolozoki thx11:02
MarHoolozcan i ask any time when i have any oproblems with nim??11:02
carlosSorry, what do you mean with 'nim'?11:03
MarHoolozhim*11:03
MarHoolozhim -> ubuntu11:03
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carlosMarHooloz: sure, but it's better if you ask at #ubuntu11:05
MarHoolozok thx11:05
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=spiv]  xmlrpc support (r3275: Steve Alexander)11:52
kikovery nice!11:52
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LaserJockdilys: what does that mean for non-LP insiders :-)11:53
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