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| LaserJock | mdke_: ping? | 12:24 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, anybody here? | 12:28 |
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| robotgeek | LaserJock: pong | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | we have to move the Freeze | 12:34 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: why? | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | because the UI Freeze was moved | 12:35 |
| robotgeek | linky? | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed | 12:36 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: but has this been approved | 12:36 |
| robotgeek | yes,is see | 12:36 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: isn't 2 weeks enough | 12:37 |
| robotgeek | April 20th to May 4th | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: we were going to have the Freeze April 6th | 12:38 |
| robotgeek | brb | 12:38 |
| Burgwork | can we do an internal docteam string freeze on the 6th | 12:40 |
| Burgwork | that way we can go to translators early, with the understanding that small strings might change | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | but if the UI freeze isn't until the 20th ... | 12:41 |
| Burgwork | realistically, not much is going to change except for screenshots | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | hopefully, although there was discussion today about playing dvds | 12:43 |
| Burgwork | yes | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | I think your probably right | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | s/your/you're/ | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: did they take out libdvdcss? | 12:53 |
| robotgeek | anyways, i gotta cook some grub, later | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | well, supposedly gstreamer will have it in the future | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | not sure though | 12:55 |
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| arito | Hi. Is it OK to use this channel to point a tiny error in Dapper documentation, or should I rather do it on ubuntu-docs@lists.ubuntu.com? | 01:15 |
| Burgwork | arito, what is the issue? | 01:16 |
| arito | It's in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/programming.html#java. On phase 6. there's "sudo" missing from the instruction. | 01:17 |
| Burgwork | hmm, actually, can you raise that on the mailing list? | 01:17 |
| Burgwork | that way it gets logged | 01:17 |
| arito | I'll do that, thanks :-) | 01:18 |
| robotgeek | Burgwork: bvm, i'll fix it | 01:28 |
| robotgeek | nvm | 01:28 |
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| LaserJock | hi theCore | 04:16 |
| theCore | hey LaserJock | 04:21 |
| Madpilot | hi al | 04:25 |
| Madpilot | all, even | 04:25 |
| robotgeek | hey Madpilot | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | hi Madpilot | 04:25 |
| theCore | party time! | 04:49 |
| theCore | ;) | 04:49 |
| robotgeek | theCore: why? | 04:50 |
| theCore | I saw everyone saying hi to all, so it's a party | 04:51 |
| robotgeek | heh | 04:51 |
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| === robotgeek brings virtual beer | ||
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| LaserJock | robotgeek: is it light? ;-) | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | lite I guess | 04:53 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: depends on your drink time flags | 04:53 |
| Madpilot | lite beer isn't beer, it's an abomination | 04:53 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: ++ | 04:54 |
| Madpilot | Guiness forever! :P | 04:54 |
| robotgeek | *chilled* | 04:54 |
| theCore | heh hey! | 05:06 |
| theCore | long life to Dapper | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | 3-5 years at least ;-) | 05:21 |
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| robotgeek | Madpilot: so, what are our deadlines again? | 05:37 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, the wiki page still has May 4th | 05:38 |
| robotgeek | okay | 05:38 |
| Madpilot | sounds like most are happy with a much shorter extension, though | 05:38 |
| Madpilot | early April or so, and give the rest to the translators | 05:38 |
| robotgeek | sounds good to me | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | guys, check out wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | if you haven't already ;-) | 05:41 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: yes, but we decided on a internal freeze, right? | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | I don't know | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | UI freeze is 20th of April | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | but Corey pointed out earlier that there probably isn't going to be any big changes before UI Freeze | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | I think it is mostly we get done when we get done | 05:45 |
| robotgeek | heh | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | everything but my silly doc seem pretty much ready to go | 05:45 |
| Madpilot | we could keep tweaking the Desktop Guides, but they'll work as-is | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: you can put in all your funkiness | 05:46 |
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| Madpilot | one thing I'd like to see added - but couldn't write myself - is 'installing your bookmarks from FF/IE/etc in FF in Ubuntu' - make things easier for switchers | 05:47 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i don't have a section on firefox at all :) | 05:52 |
| Madpilot | can Konq import any other browser's bookmark files? | 05:52 |
| robotgeek | yes, firefox / mozilla i think. lemme check | 05:52 |
| Madpilot | that's one of the major reasons I stick with Opera - I've got a massive bookmark file, and neither FF nor Epiph can import Opera bookmarks (Opera can import FF, IE & Netscape, though...) | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: opera can't export? | 05:54 |
| Madpilot | only as it's own bookmark file or as HTML, it looks like | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i10321 | 05:57 |
| Madpilot | cool - good for Konq! | 05:58 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: now i gotta document this :) | 05:58 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, you should also tell ppl where to find their bookmark files in Windows | 05:59 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i can point them to a resource somewhere, i don't want to spoil the guide with windows stuff :) | 06:00 |
| Madpilot | heh. your prejudices are showing, robotgeek :P | 06:00 |
| robotgeek | yeah, and why not :) | 06:00 |
| Madpilot | For Opera, typing "opera:about" in the address bar will get a display that includes where the bookmark file is | 06:01 |
| robotgeek | hmm, kinda tough if you don't know that anyways :) | 06:02 |
| Madpilot | Epiphany's bookmark handling is so different, I'm not surprised I can't even find an "Import Bookmarks" function in it... | 06:04 |
| robotgeek | it does what, tagigng? | 06:04 |
| Madpilot | yes | 06:05 |
| Madpilot | rather than categories - think GMail | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | it is there | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | bookmarks, edit bookmarks | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | on the popup, file, import bookmarks | 06:06 |
| Madpilot | ah, thanks. FF & Konq only, though | 06:06 |
| robotgeek | it's going to be a pain if you havent tagged since the beginning. plus i use simpy.com for that | 06:07 |
| Burgundavia | it can do from file | 06:07 |
| Burgundavia | doesn't list Konq if Konq is not installed | 06:07 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: are you playing with the evil KDE? | 06:07 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, nope, this is my Breezy install | 06:08 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: why so much anger :) | 06:08 |
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| Burgundavia | brb. Installing flight5 | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | hmm, what are the possibilities for "status"? | 06:32 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: it's on wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | ah, thanks. I was thinking I might set a status tonight ;-) | 06:33 |
| Madpilot | bottom of the Projects page, LaserJock | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | do you generally set the status at the scect1 level? | 06:37 |
| Madpilot | on UDG, most sect tags have their own status - they all show up in the status display, even down to sect4 | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm, ok thanks guys | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | I think I've got a section to put in "review" | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | gotta go to bed now | 06:39 |
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| natroll_movie | later jocky | 06:39 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, back in Flight5? Enjoying the orange? :P | 06:40 |
| robotgeek | now people are going to say "i loved the brown" | 06:41 |
| highvolt1ge | robotgeek: i'm even missing the brown! | 06:41 |
| highvolt1ge | robotgeek: and i had a *strong* dislike for the brown (to put it mildly) | 06:41 |
| robotgeek | highvolt1ge: exactly! | 06:42 |
| highvoltsg | grrr | 06:42 |
| Madpilot | I liked the brown; I found a derivitive theme with a slightly redder brown that I like even more :P | 06:42 |
| robotgeek | i actually liked the brown, i found it very easy to read | 06:42 |
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| highvoltage | the brown did grow on me. | 06:43 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: that's why we use kde :) | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | i even dreamed about using a future OS and it was brown in my dream. | 06:43 |
| robotgeek | now with 40% more blue | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | well, I use a Blue GNOME, which is just about 5% less blue that kubuntu | 06:43 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: no one likes the new kubuntu blue, so i guess it's in the same boat as ubuntu | 06:44 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: no, the cd wouldn't boot and I am already enjoying teh orange | 06:44 |
| highvoltage | see, blue: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/gartublu?full=1 | 06:44 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: left handed? | 06:45 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: no, don't let the gnome meny position mislead you :) | 06:45 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: i never use that anyway, so i just put it out of the way | 06:46 |
| robotgeek | heh, okay | 06:46 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: where's your terminal :) | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: the apps at the right are what i use mostly, for anything else, I press ALT+F2 and run | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: i open it from desktop | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/gnome_terminal_4 | 06:46 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: i always have a terminal open on one of my virtual desktops | 06:47 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: i press ctrl+alt+left/right to switch | 06:47 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: cool | 06:47 |
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| natroll_movie | never got used to multiple desktops | 06:47 |
| Madpilot | I run 8 :P | 06:48 |
| highvoltage | natroll_movie: it sux when you use the mouse to switch, too much work, i like lots of keyboard shortcuts | 06:48 |
| natroll_movie | me too | 06:48 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: if you use firefox, get the next please extension, and http://users.tkk.fi/~psillanp/hah_hp/ | 06:49 |
| === highvoltage looks | ||
| highvoltage | nice plugin. i think konqueror has that built-in. | 06:52 |
| robotgeek | highvoltage: it works better than the konq one. konq only does a-z | 06:52 |
| highvoltage | i use konqueror often to test browser compatibility, and i've seen those tags on web pages when i've accidentally pressed something before. | 06:52 |
| highvoltage | ah. | 06:52 |
| === highvoltage installs | ||
| robotgeek | kill the rodent, now | 06:53 |
| highvoltage | hehe, is kubuntu also turning orange? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1862 | 07:00 |
| robotgeek | we object! | 07:00 |
| highvoltage | robotgeek: the riddel has spoken! | 07:01 |
| highvoltage | :) | 07:01 |
| robotgeek | 40% more blue | 07:01 |
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| robotgeek | yuck | 07:01 |
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| mdke_ | morning | 08:41 |
| robotgeek | morning mdke_ | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | morning mdke | 08:42 |
| mdke | hi robotgeek, Burgundavia | 08:42 |
| mdke | it's time to unleash my kubuntu changes | 08:43 |
| robotgeek | mdke: awesome, xslt proc :) | 08:43 |
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| Burgundavia | ok, building gimmie defeats me | 08:46 |
| mdke | unleashed | 08:47 |
| mdke | so are we definitely dropping quickguide for kubuntu? | 08:47 |
| robotgeek | ++ | 08:47 |
| robotgeek | it becomes totally redundant with Desktop Guide and a Kde Quick Guide | 08:48 |
| mdke | I'll do that too | 08:49 |
| robotgeek | mdke: don't delete it yet | 08:49 |
| robotgeek | i need to go thru it and copy some relevant stuff | 08:49 |
| robotgeek | maybe just comment it in the makefile | 08:49 |
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| mdke | I won't delete it, just removing it from the package | 08:50 |
| mdke | so have they approved a new freeze for us without asking? | 08:52 |
| robotgeek | mdke: yes | 08:52 |
| mdke | ok, we need to deal with that | 08:52 |
| mdke | 6 weeks is insane | 08:52 |
| mdke | realistically, not a lot is going to change for UI freeze, I don't think | 08:53 |
| mdke | and anyway, screenshots can be updated at any time, that doesn't count as a string :) | 08:53 |
| robotgeek | mdke: yes, maybe colors and stuff might change, but the rest should be okay | 08:53 |
| robotgeek | mdke: good point "pics not strings" | 08:54 |
| mdke | if we don't change the name of screenshots, and they aren't translated, I see no reason why they can't be updated at any time up to release | 08:54 |
| robotgeek | correct | 08:54 |
| robotgeek | so all we need to is to atleast have placeholders | 08:55 |
| mdke | quite | 08:55 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:56 |
| mdke | this is a pain | 08:56 |
| mdke | string freeze isn't until April 27 | 08:56 |
| robotgeek | Hope they don't go changing about stuff here and there | 08:58 |
| mdke | hmmmm | 08:58 |
| mdke | ok I'll send a proposal to the list | 09:00 |
| robotgeek | ill read it there | 09:00 |
| mdke | does the TB have an email address? | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | mdke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board | 09:01 |
| mdke | thanks | 09:01 |
| robotgeek | mailto:technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com | 09:02 |
| robotgeek | oops, too fast | 09:02 |
| mdke | ok mailed | 09:06 |
| robotgeek | yes, replying now :) | 09:11 |
| robotgeek | mdke: should i cc the TB | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | I'm committing dean's UDG patches now, just fyi | 09:17 |
| mdke | robotgeek, yeah | 09:18 |
| mdke | Madpilot, rock | 09:18 |
| Madpilot | Committed revision 2614. | 09:20 |
| robotgeek | mdke: rock with the xslt stuff | 09:21 |
| robotgeek | mdke: would i have to change anything now? i think bring back the headers | 09:22 |
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| Madpilot | mdke, could we remove the entire ubuntu/menus/en directory? it seems to be redundant w/ menus/C ? | 09:36 |
| robotgeek | -> bed | 09:36 |
| Madpilot | later, robotgeek | 09:37 |
| robotgeek_zzz | later Madpilot | 09:37 |
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| Madpilot | mdke, ping | 09:56 |
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| Madpilot | two commits is enough for one night. Later everyone | 10:52 |
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| jjesse | so do we now refer to dapper as 6.06 instead of 6.04? | 05:02 |
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| lloydinho | I think so. At least that's how I understand this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/005555.html | 05:09 |
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| trappist | what's the preferred way to entity-ize the version? should it be in global.ent? | 05:53 |
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| mkde | trappist: there is a ubuntu/gnome.ent that has it in, although yeah, it probably would be better as global.ent | 05:55 |
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| UberoDocy | hello. | 06:02 |
| UberoDocy | can anyone point me on how to compile ubuntu-doc stuff in a single html file instead of generating the multiple html files? | 06:03 |
| mkde | the builds do both | 06:04 |
| mkde | what doc? | 06:04 |
| UberoDocy | faqguide | 06:04 |
| UberoDocy | so probably it is already there ... let me check:) | 06:04 |
| mkde | that's a breezy document | 06:04 |
| UberoDocy | yape... | 06:04 |
| UberoDocy | breezy stuff.... | 06:04 |
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| mkde | http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html | 06:04 |
| UberoDocy | mdke, yape... but I'm compiling localized version. | 06:05 |
| mkde | which language? | 06:05 |
| UberoDocy | pt | 06:06 |
| UberoDocy | yape... don't why but doesn't appear the *all document in build/gnome/faqi386/pt | 06:06 |
| mkde | so you want to build html from /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide/pt? | 06:06 |
| UberoDocy | yes. | 06:07 |
| UberoDocy | but I was using the source of ubuntu-doc to do it. | 06:07 |
| mkde | have you got a copy of our repository? | 06:07 |
| mkde | oh right | 06:07 |
| mkde | hang on | 06:07 |
| UberoDocy | (what do you think on having in help.ubuntu.com the localized versions?) | 06:08 |
| UberoDocy | ok thanks... | 06:08 |
| mkde | UberoDocy: we could have them there, but generally locoteams prefer to host them on their own sites | 06:08 |
| UberoDocy | mdke, yape, that is the idea:) | 06:08 |
| UberoDocy | ok | 06:08 |
| UberoDocy | I did this in a crappy way.. changed the Makefile "C" to "pt" added some files in the right place.... | 06:09 |
| UberoDocy | not sure if there is a better way. | 06:09 |
| UberoDocy | it generates well the chapters and everything in html. | 06:09 |
| mkde | just getting the source for breezy | 06:10 |
| UberoDocy | I downloaded the ubuntu-doc-6.2 tar.gz | 06:10 |
| trappist | if somebody wants to come up with a good name for the version entity I'll implement it and start hunting down literal version references | 06:11 |
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| mkde | trappist: just use the ones in ubuntu/libs/gnome.ent? | 06:12 |
| mkde | UberoDocy: 6.2 is a dapper package... | 06:13 |
| mkde | UberoDocy: if you use the stylesheet at /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/docbook.xsl it should build a single page of html, I think | 06:15 |
| UberoDocy | mkde, I'm confused... can you give me a http address? If it was a dapper package wouldn't have translations right? | 06:16 |
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| mkde | that's right | 06:17 |
| mkde | UberoDocy: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-docs/ <-- dapper 6.03 and breezy 5.10 | 06:18 |
| mkde | UberoDocy: email me your translation and I'll build it for you | 06:20 |
| mkde | mdke@ubuntu.com | 06:20 |
| UberoDocy | mdke, the breezy translations are on the package.... | 06:20 |
| UberoDocy | I should learn in any case, for the future... :) | 06:21 |
| UberoDocy | mdke, but thanks a lot for your offer. | 06:21 |
| mkde | our build system is a lot better now than it was for breezy | 06:21 |
| mkde | i'll use our new stylesheets | 06:21 |
| UberoDocy | mkde, hhmm... build system of the dapper documentation you mean? | 06:23 |
| UberoDocy | so, I can use breezy stuff and the improved dapper source to make the html? | 06:23 |
| mkde | just the dapper stylesheets | 06:23 |
| UberoDocy | hhmm... | 06:23 |
| UberoDocy | there should be no problems of retro compatibility then I guess... | 06:24 |
| UberoDocy | it's just the style that changes ... | 06:24 |
| mkde | download this file: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/libs/ubuntu-html-single-cust.xsl and then run the command "xsltproc --xinclude -o faqguide-all-pt.html ubuntu-html-single-cust.xsl faqguide-pt.xml" | 06:25 |
| mkde | then you'll need the css: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/libs/ubuntu-book.css | 06:26 |
| mkde | if you put that css in ../../common in relation to your html it will work | 06:26 |
| trappist | are .omf files generated or do they need to be brought in line with the new world order of version entities? | 06:27 |
| mkde | trappist: the latter | 06:28 |
| trappist | k | 06:28 |
| mkde | trappist: actually | 06:28 |
| mkde | trappist: no entities in those, just correct it manually | 06:28 |
| mkde | my bad | 06:28 |
| trappist | ok | 06:28 |
| UberoDocy | mkde, a big hurray for helpful guys like you :-) Thank you, with these points I should be able to move by myself. | 06:29 |
| mkde | UberoDocy: np hope it works | 06:31 |
| trappist | mkde: html files in the repo? like browser-startpage/C/index.html | 06:31 |
| trappist | generated or need to be fixed | 06:31 |
| mkde | trappist: i fixed that already... | 06:31 |
| mkde | but the latter | 06:32 |
| trappist | mkde: it's fixed to 6.06 but not to entities - at least not in what I have checked out | 06:32 |
| mkde | we can't use entities in html files | 06:32 |
| mkde | xml only | 06:32 |
| trappist | yeah I just realized that :) | 06:32 |
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| mkde | trappist: so are you moving them to global.ent, or leaving them in the ubuntu/kubuntu specific files? | 06:37 |
| trappist | mkde: makes more sense to me to move them to global.ent | 06:37 |
| trappist | seeing as how they're global | 06:38 |
| mkde | go for it | 06:38 |
| trappist | though the kde.ent entities have kde-specific names like kdistro-rev etc. so I'm leaving those | 06:39 |
| trappist | just fixing their values | 06:39 |
| UberoDocy | mkde, it worked... just a ubuntu-banner.xsl missing. Now, small icon images are not being included .... where are they? | 06:40 |
| mkde | UberoDocy: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/common/ | 06:41 |
| mkde | trappist: i spose we can do a find/replace to fix the names too | 06:41 |
| mkde | kdistro-rev -> distro-rev | 06:42 |
| trappist | can do that too | 06:42 |
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| trappist | the validator's giving me a zillion or so 'entity not defined' errors for entities I haven't touched. guess I'll fix those too. | 06:54 |
| UberoDocy | mkde, I'm happy :-) everything works. | 07:04 |
| UberoDocy | see u late guys. | 07:06 |
| trappist | hrm. just sent two gpg-signed messages to the list. kmail calls one of the signatures bad. does everybody's show them that way? | 07:41 |
| === trappist does a relevant experiment | ||
| trappist | ok I thought maybe I'd entered the wrong passphrase and kmail had happily sent out a bad sig, but apparently it doesn't bahave that way. thank god. | 07:47 |
| trappist | if you guys could have a look, I'd be very interested to know whether kmail made a bad signature or is mistakenly calling it bad. | 07:50 |
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| robotgeek | trappist: patches and more patches. Kmail complains "Message was signed by trappist at gmail.com (Key ID: 0xblahbalh" Warning: The signature is bad. | 07:56 |
| robotgeek | the second email comes thru fine | 07:57 |
| trappist | well suck. I wonder how it did that. it's good news, though. thanks. | 07:59 |
| robotgeek | trappist: if both were invalid, i would not have am issue. heh | 07:59 |
| trappist | it tells me it was signed by grasshopper@linuxkungfu.org... maybe you imported my gmail one? | 07:59 |
| robotgeek | trappist: kmail does that automatically, i guess. lemme purge ans retry | 08:00 |
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| mdke | robotgeek, yeah, you can re-add the headers and xincludes | 08:04 |
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| robotgeek | mdke: i'll do that next time i am messing about | 08:04 |
| dsas | they're the same two signatures here, both from grasshopper@linuxkungfo.org | 08:05 |
| robotgeek | trappist: it validates one, but doesn't the other. | 08:05 |
| trappist | robotgeek: yeah same here | 08:05 |
| trappist | I'm gonna re-send the first one | 08:05 |
| trappist | the one in my sent folder is validated | 08:06 |
| mdke | robotgeek, great | 08:07 |
| jjesse | did the patchs get applied trappist sent? | 08:08 |
| trappist | still invalid. | 08:08 |
| mdke | jjesse, not yet. That's a lot of patches :) | 08:09 |
| trappist | I wonder if mailman is modifying the message | 08:09 |
| jjesse | i'll apply the kubuntu one | 08:09 |
| mdke | jjesse, there may be more than one for kubuntu | 08:10 |
| mdke | trappist, ? | 08:10 |
| jjesse | about kubuntu | 08:11 |
| trappist | mdke: the gpg signature is invalid on the first email (and the 2nd try of the first email). I think mailman may be touching the message in a way that breaks the signature. | 08:11 |
| mdke | I'm not bothered about the gpg signature... which emails should we be looking at? | 08:11 |
| trappist | "[PATCH] Entities and validation" and "[PATCH] Entities and validation part 2" | 08:12 |
| mdke | ok, so ignoring (retry)? | 08:12 |
| jjesse | dang it i don't have my svn password on me :( | 08:12 |
| trappist | mdke: yes | 08:12 |
| jjesse | about-kubunut needs to be patched | 08:12 |
| mdke | jjesse, we could ask trappist for a single patch and one of us can apply | 08:12 |
| trappist | haha. it would have been so much easier to make a single patch in the first place :) | 08:13 |
| jjesse | i thought we asked him earlier tosend different patches per file | 08:13 |
| mdke | yeah | 08:13 |
| mdke | per doc | 08:13 |
| mdke | but this might be an exceptional case ;) | 08:13 |
| robotgeek | mdke: for i in *.patch ; do patch -p0 <$i; done | 08:13 |
| trappist | and the wiki says per filename, with the patches named accordingly :/ | 08:13 |
| mdke | trappist, do they all validate? | 08:13 |
| trappist | mdke: there are two pre-existing validation errors left | 08:14 |
| mdke | which docs? | 08:14 |
| trappist | lemme see | 08:14 |
| mdke | robotgeek, if all the patches were done from the same directory, that will work I think | 08:15 |
| jjesse_meeting | later folks | 08:15 |
| mdke | bye | 08:15 |
| trappist | kubuntu/userguide/C/userguide.xml and generic/packagingguide/C/appendix.xml | 08:15 |
| trappist | mdke: they were | 08:15 |
| mdke | ok | 08:15 |
| mdke | robotgeek, do you fancy applying them all? if not I'll do it later when I am at my laptop | 08:15 |
| trappist | apply the patches and say: svn stat | egrep '^M.+\.xml' | awk '{print $2}' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done | 08:16 |
| mdke | then we can fix those validation things later | 08:16 |
| robotgeek | mdke: okay, i don't mind | 08:16 |
| mdke | trappist, what do you mean in the email by "invalid entity names"? | 08:17 |
| trappist | mdke: mixed-case entity names don't validate | 08:17 |
| mdke | sure? I've never seen that | 08:18 |
| trappist | wiki-RootSudo didn't, but it was fine once I lowercased it in the .ent and the .xml | 08:18 |
| mdke | the desktop guide has always validated despite using wiki-RootSudo | 08:18 |
| mdke | or maybe I'm mistaken | 08:18 |
| mdke | anyhow, dinner | 08:19 |
| trappist | enjoy | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | any doc-base experts around? | 08:19 |
| trappist | LaserJock: ask your question ;) | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm trying to make a .docbase file to register ubuntu-docs with doc base | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure wheither I need to do each doc individually or just the whole /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/html/ directory | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | I suppose I could just try it out and see | 08:22 |
| trappist | apparently you can use a shell glob | 08:23 |
| trappist | for the files field | 08:23 |
| robotgeek | trappist: so, apply them with the validation errors? | 08:23 |
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| trappist | robotgeek: I'm pretty sure I didn't introduce the validation errors... but if you apply them and validate like above you can see what they are. they don't look at all related to anything I changed. | 08:24 |
| robotgeek | trappist: okay, lemme take a look one by one | 08:27 |
| robotgeek | svn needs a unrevert command :) | 08:28 |
| trappist | heh. | 08:28 |
| robotgeek | trappist: about the entities in mixed cases, it does validate with root-Sudo | 08:31 |
| trappist | odd, it didn't here | 08:31 |
| robotgeek | nvm, i'l lcommit after coffee | 08:32 |
| trappist | ok if I change it back it does validate. maybe that was one of the files that wasn't sourcing global.ent. | 08:37 |
| trappist | if you like I'll do one big patch (with that one omitted) | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm, can anybody give me a quick abstract of the Desktop Guide? | 08:47 |
| robotgeek | trappist: that would me nice | 08:48 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: eating food, moment | 08:48 |
| mdke | LaserJock, see ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide-C.omf | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | mdke: is that current? | 08:49 |
| mdke | yep | 08:49 |
| mdke | hope so | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I read it and it said it was a Q & A | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I thought we moved away from that | 08:49 |
| mdke | I'll look | 08:49 |
| mdke | yeah that's crap | 08:50 |
| mdke | we should redo it | 08:50 |
| trappist | robotgeek: http://tra.ppi.st/bigun.diff | 08:50 |
| robotgeek | trappist: thanks, i'll take a look | 08:52 |
| trappist | robotgeek: maybe you could validate generic/packagingguide/C/appendix.xml and kubuntu/userguide/C/userguide.xml before applying, to verify that I didn't introduce the validation errors | 08:53 |
| robotgeek | trappist: yes, i am currently unreverting all. btw, thanks for the readline trick. | 08:54 |
| trappist | np | 08:54 |
| trappist | unreverting? | 08:55 |
| robotgeek | sorry, reverting :) | 08:55 |
| trappist | oh. I just svn revert -R . | 08:57 |
| === robotgeek notes | ||
| robotgeek | trappist: kubuntu user guide does not validate, btw | 08:59 |
| mdke | what is this kubuntu/userguide stuff? | 08:59 |
| mdke | sounds like another one to be nuked | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | trappist: what are you doing to the packaging guide? | 09:00 |
| robotgeek | heh, that is one from breezy i think mdke | 09:00 |
| trappist | LaserJock: nothing that I know of except the same stuff I'm doing to everything else... word nazi stuff, validation stuff and entity-izing versions | 09:01 |
| mdke | robotgeek, we'll ask jjesse and then nuke it | 09:02 |
| mdke | jjesse_meeting, ^^ | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: are you applying all of trappist's patches? | 09:02 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: havent applied anything yet, trying to fix validation first | 09:03 |
| jjesse | userguide can be nuked | 09:04 |
| mdke | thanks | 09:04 |
| mdke | robotgeek, ^ | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: mind if I take care of the packaging guide patches? | 09:04 |
| robotgeek | mdke: okay. i'll be at the meeting to get what's happening to the Kubuntu Deskopt Firsthand | 09:04 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: sure, go ahead :) | 09:05 |
| mdke | robotgeek, meeting? | 09:05 |
| robotgeek | mdke: kubuntu dev meeting | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think I almost have doc-base files for ubuntu-docs | 09:05 |
| mdke | robotgeek, cool | 09:05 |
| mdke | LaserJock, cool | 09:05 |
| mdke | @ everyone, cool | 09:05 |
| robotgeek | mdke: :) | 09:05 |
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| robotgeek | wow, they are planning to change the menus again. | 09:07 |
| jjesse | for kubuntu or ubutu :( | 09:07 |
| robotgeek | for kubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | 09:08 |
| mdke | robotgeek, LaserJock, how is the trappist patching expedition going? any help needed? | 09:09 |
| robotgeek | mdke: i'll look at it after the meeting | 09:10 |
| mdke | ok, shout if you need anything | 09:10 |
| robotgeek | sure | 09:10 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: grrr, the doc-base thing has some weirdnesses | 09:23 |
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| robotgeek | bkjones: cool | 09:26 |
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| bkjones | :) | 09:27 |
| bkjones | NJ | 09:27 |
| robotgeek | bkjones: i'm currently in Somerset | 09:27 |
| bkjones | ah. I'm at Princeton Univ. | 09:28 |
| bkjones | Used to work on World's fair dr. in somerset. | 09:28 |
| robotgeek | bkjones: yes, seen from hostmask. :) | 09:28 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: script? | 09:29 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: to switch from Description (Name) to Name (Description) | 09:29 |
| jjesse | ah | 09:30 |
| robotgeek | i wrote it last time i had make the switch | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: I though that is what emacs is for ;-) | 09:30 |
| jjesse | i think its just way to late to have discussions like this | 09:30 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: i could use vim macros, but i tht of some fun with python | 09:30 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: yes | 09:30 |
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| trappist | I'm really bothered by the gpg signature breakage on the list. I sent the message to myself and it comes out fine. | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | trappist: LP seems to do it too | 09:39 |
| trappist | LP? | 09:39 |
| trappist | oh launchpad | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | I think. I'm not certain | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | I've noticed the same behaviour | 09:40 |
| trappist | I emailed mailman@lists.ubuntu.com but I dunno if that actually goes to anybody. | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | possibly | 09:41 |
| mdke | trappist, jdub does the lists | 09:52 |
| trappist | cool | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: guess you just have to wait ;-) although I would have thought they would have announced it by now | 10:01 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, I am more concerned about image\ | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: yeah. Were you around when they decided? I didn't realize they voted on it already until Keybuk told me | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I don't think the doc-base thing is going to work | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | mdke: at least not for dapper | 10:16 |
| mdke | LaserJock, ok, no worries! thanks for trying | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | mdke: basically all the viewer (dhelp, dwww, and doc-central) look for docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | mdke: we would need to split up the individual docs into packages | 10:18 |
| mdke | whoosh | 10:18 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I'm not sure why this is required but it seems to be the case | 10:18 |
| mdke | ok, mark the bug as wontfix then, sounds like it is a lot harder than the advantages | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | the viewers are quite cool though | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | They might be something to look at in the future | 10:19 |
| mdke | unless enrico knows a bit more and can help | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | dhelp especially is nice | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | they are somewhat like yelp, except DE independent | 10:20 |
| mdke | cool | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | they can show man pages etc | 10:20 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: where is this dhelp that you speak of? | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: it is a program apt-get it | 10:21 |
| robotgeek | awesome | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | they just use a browser and in the case of dwww and doc-central, apache | 10:21 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: building yzis for now, will check it out as soon as that is done | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | If they could deal with our doc structure I think they would be quite cool | 10:23 |
| trappist | dhelp is uninstallable here. dhelp_parse segfaults in postinst. | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | trappist: bummer, what arch? | 10:24 |
| trappist | i386 | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm, odd | 10:25 |
| trappist | Building HTML tree .../var/lib/dpkg/info/dhelp.postinst: line 45: 17355 Segmentation fault /usr/sbin/dhelp_parse -r | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | I'm on i386 | 10:25 |
| trappist | breezy or dapper? | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | dapper | 10:25 |
| trappist | ah, i'm on breezy | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that is a problem in general ;-) | 10:25 |
| trappist | I'd try it on my dapper box but it's at home and there's an apt-get upgrade process waiting for me to say yes or something to | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | lol | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | that's why I keep a dapper chroot around | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | dwww or doc-central also should work, although they have more deps | 10:27 |
| trappist | I used to have that and a dapper vmware image but since I have a full on dapper box now, I figure it's just wasted space | 10:27 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: you know about yzis? it embeds vim in every text editor | 10:27 |
| robotgeek | or alteast the keybindings :) | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: never heard of it, sounds viral ;-) | 10:27 |
| robotgeek | heh. | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm still trying to figure out vim to start with | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to figure out how to use the xml ftplugin | 10:29 |
| trappist | ok dwww is cool. | 10:29 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, ping | 10:30 |
| enrico | mdke: need help? | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | trappist: yeah, it is. I just can't figure out how to get the Ubuntu docs in there | 10:30 |
| mdke | enrico, LaserJock might need some help with the docbase thing, I'll leave it to him to explain | 10:30 |
| Burgwork | mdke, pong | 10:30 |
| enrico | mdke: ok | 10:31 |
| enrico | LaserJock: at your service | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | enrico: I made a couple doc-base control files and they work ok, except I can't view them with any viewer | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | enrico: basically I've tried dhelp, dwww, and doc-central | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | enrico: the problem seems to be that they only want docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | enrico: where there is a <packagename> for each of our docs | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | enrico: but we ship the docs all in /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ | 10:33 |
| enrico | right | 10:33 |
| enrico | and apache only exports /usr/share/doc | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:34 |
| enrico | I guess documents outside /usr/share/doc aren't viewable, unless you make symlinks | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | so I can see links to the docs, I just can't access them | 10:34 |
| enrico | LaserJock: you can try symlinking from /usr/share/ubuntu-docs into some place in /usr/share/doc | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | enrico: hmm, seems a bit hackish. let me see if it works | 10:35 |
| trappist | LaserJock: grep DWWW_DOCPATH /usr/share/dwww/functions.sh | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:37 |
| trappist | LaserJock: you can set that in /etc/dwww/dwww.conf | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | trappist: yeah, but I don't feel like patching dwww | 10:39 |
| trappist | oh | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | I mean I can do it locally for sure. I'm just trying to figure out how we can ship it ;-) | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | sweet, symlink worked | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | now I wonder if I can convince dholbach to do the symlinks | 10:43 |
| enrico | LaserJock: I imagine it's easy to convince dholbach: symlinking documentation into /usr/share/doc makes a big lot of sense | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | enrico: ok, thanks for the suggestion. I'll talk him into it ;-) | 10:45 |
| enrico | LaserJock: you're welcome! | 10:48 |
| mdke | i can do the symlinks | 10:50 |
| mdke | if it's a good idea | 10:50 |
| mdke | LaserJock, actually you can do it too. see debian/links | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yeah, I just wanted to make sure it was ok | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | it is a Main package after all | 10:51 |
| mdke | fair enough | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok, I'll get it all fixed today | 10:52 |
| mdke | ping daniel then :) | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | already got his approval ;-) | 10:52 |
| mdke | ah cool | 10:52 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: I'm doing About Ubuntu, Ubuntu Desktop Guide, and Ubuntu Server Guide | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | mdke: Is that all that is planned for HTML? | 10:55 |
| mdke | we can ship anything html | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | I just download the .deb and looked at what HTML is currently shipped | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | that shouldn't change should it? | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | I guess the Packaging Guide could be shipped as HTML | 10:56 |
| jjesse | are you guys packaging the kubuntu docs as well ? | 10:57 |
| mdke | LaserJock, you can do the kubuntu docs too? should be easier because they are already under /usr/share/doc | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: I haven't touched the kubuntu stuff much. | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I can | 10:59 |
| jjesse | who packages those up? riddell? | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:59 |
| mdke | jjesse, did you not see my new package for kubuntu-docs? | 10:59 |
| jjesse | mdke: i haven't been at my desk all day, just got here to be honest | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | mdke: no | 10:59 |
| Kyral | When is the String Freeze? | 11:00 |
| jjesse | check out the dapper schedule, don't remember the link | 11:00 |
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| jjesse | sorry :) | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: don't worry, he does that all the time :) | 11:00 |
| jjesse | slewed was removed, it is just DapperReleaseSchedule | 11:00 |
| mdke | Kyral, but we will hope to make it earlier | 11:00 |
| Kyral | *shrug* Justed wanted to know how much time I had to grammer check tthings randomly | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: not long, get to work! | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 11:01 |
| mdke | Kyral, 2 weeks maybe | 11:01 |
| Kyral | mkay | 11:02 |
| Kyral | Maybe I'll make a mockup for a hing about Xen | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I haven't seen a kubuntu-docs packagage go by on dapper-changes in quite some time | 11:03 |
| Kyral | actually I need to go fold laundry... | 11:03 |
| mdke | LaserJock, maybe we should get an upload | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | mdke: looks like Feb 15th was the last | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | mdke: and there are a couple bugs open on it | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I'll try to get the doc-base thing done an poke Riddell about it | 11:13 |
| mdke | bugs on kubuntu-docs? | 11:15 |
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| mdke | oh those are well old | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | hmm, they are. I though one looked new. I was mistaken | 11:17 |
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| LaserJock | trappist: ping? | 11:52 |
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