=== mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:24] mdke_: ping? [12:28] hmm, anybody here? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:33] LaserJock: pong [12:34] we have to move the Freeze [12:35] LaserJock: why? [12:35] because the UI Freeze was moved [12:35] linky? [12:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed [12:36] LaserJock: but has this been approved [12:36] yes,is see [12:37] LaserJock: isn't 2 weeks enough [12:37] April 20th to May 4th [12:38] robotgeek: we were going to have the Freeze April 6th [12:38] brb [12:40] can we do an internal docteam string freeze on the 6th [12:40] that way we can go to translators early, with the understanding that small strings might change [12:41] but if the UI freeze isn't until the 20th ... [12:43] realistically, not much is going to change except for screenshots [12:43] hopefully, although there was discussion today about playing dvds [12:43] yes [12:44] I think your probably right [12:44] s/your/you're/ [12:53] LaserJock: did they take out libdvdcss? [12:54] anyways, i gotta cook some grub, later [12:54] well, supposedly gstreamer will have it in the future [12:55] not sure though === arito [n=ari@GKMCCXLVIII.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:15] Hi. Is it OK to use this channel to point a tiny error in Dapper documentation, or should I rather do it on ubuntu-docs@lists.ubuntu.com? [01:16] arito, what is the issue? [01:17] It's in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/programming.html#java. On phase 6. there's "sudo" missing from the instruction. [01:17] hmm, actually, can you raise that on the mailing list? [01:17] that way it gets logged [01:18] I'll do that, thanks :-) [01:28] Burgwork: bvm, i'll fix it [01:28] nvm === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === arito [n=ari@GKMCCXLVIII.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205808.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:16] hi theCore [04:21] hey LaserJock [04:25] hi al [04:25] all, even [04:25] hey Madpilot [04:25] hi Madpilot [04:49] party time! [04:49] ;) [04:50] theCore: why? [04:51] I saw everyone saying hi to all, so it's a party [04:51] heh === LaserJock gets his party hat on === robotgeek brings virtual beer === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:53] robotgeek: is it light? ;-) [04:53] lite I guess [04:53] LaserJock: depends on your drink time flags [04:53] lite beer isn't beer, it's an abomination [04:54] Madpilot: ++ [04:54] Guiness forever! :P [04:54] *chilled* [05:06] heh hey! [05:07] long life to Dapper [05:21] 3-5 years at least ;-) === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:37] Madpilot: so, what are our deadlines again? [05:38] robotgeek, the wiki page still has May 4th [05:38] okay [05:38] sounds like most are happy with a much shorter extension, though [05:38] early April or so, and give the rest to the translators [05:39] sounds good to me [05:40] guys, check out wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed [05:41] if you haven't already ;-) [05:43] LaserJock: yes, but we decided on a internal freeze, right? [05:43] I don't know [05:44] UI freeze is 20th of April [05:44] but Corey pointed out earlier that there probably isn't going to be any big changes before UI Freeze [05:45] I think it is mostly we get done when we get done [05:45] heh [05:45] everything but my silly doc seem pretty much ready to go [05:46] we could keep tweaking the Desktop Guides, but they'll work as-is [05:46] Madpilot: you can put in all your funkiness === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:47] one thing I'd like to see added - but couldn't write myself - is 'installing your bookmarks from FF/IE/etc in FF in Ubuntu' - make things easier for switchers [05:52] Madpilot: i don't have a section on firefox at all :) [05:52] can Konq import any other browser's bookmark files? [05:52] yes, firefox / mozilla i think. lemme check [05:54] that's one of the major reasons I stick with Opera - I've got a massive bookmark file, and neither FF nor Epiph can import Opera bookmarks (Opera can import FF, IE & Netscape, though...) [05:54] Madpilot: opera can't export? [05:54] only as it's own bookmark file or as HTML, it looks like [05:57] Madpilot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i10321 [05:58] cool - good for Konq! [05:58] Madpilot: now i gotta document this :) [05:59] robotgeek, you should also tell ppl where to find their bookmark files in Windows [06:00] Madpilot: i can point them to a resource somewhere, i don't want to spoil the guide with windows stuff :) [06:00] heh. your prejudices are showing, robotgeek :P [06:00] yeah, and why not :) [06:01] For Opera, typing "opera:about" in the address bar will get a display that includes where the bookmark file is [06:02] hmm, kinda tough if you don't know that anyways :) [06:04] Epiphany's bookmark handling is so different, I'm not surprised I can't even find an "Import Bookmarks" function in it... [06:04] it does what, tagigng? [06:05] yes [06:05] rather than categories - think GMail [06:05] it is there [06:05] bookmarks, edit bookmarks [06:06] on the popup, file, import bookmarks [06:06] ah, thanks. FF & Konq only, though [06:07] it's going to be a pain if you havent tagged since the beginning. plus i use simpy.com for that [06:07] it can do from file [06:07] doesn't list Konq if Konq is not installed [06:07] Madpilot: are you playing with the evil KDE? [06:08] Burgundavia, nope, this is my Breezy install [06:08] Burgundavia: why so much anger :) === natroll_movie [n=natroll@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:31] brb. Installing flight5 [06:32] hmm, what are the possibilities for "status"? [06:32] LaserJock: it's on wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects [06:33] ah, thanks. I was thinking I might set a status tonight ;-) [06:34] bottom of the Projects page, LaserJock [06:37] do you generally set the status at the scect1 level? [06:38] on UDG, most sect tags have their own status - they all show up in the status display, even down to sect4 [06:38] hmm, ok thanks guys [06:39] I think I've got a section to put in "review" [06:39] gotta go to bed now === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:39] later jocky [06:40] Burgundavia, back in Flight5? Enjoying the orange? :P [06:41] now people are going to say "i loved the brown" [06:41] robotgeek: i'm even missing the brown! [06:41] robotgeek: and i had a *strong* dislike for the brown (to put it mildly) [06:42] highvolt1ge: exactly! [06:42] grrr [06:42] I liked the brown; I found a derivitive theme with a slightly redder brown that I like even more :P [06:42] i actually liked the brown, i found it very easy to read === highvoltage still likes blue, call me old fashioned [06:43] the brown did grow on me. [06:43] highvoltage: that's why we use kde :) [06:43] i even dreamed about using a future OS and it was brown in my dream. [06:43] now with 40% more blue [06:43] well, I use a Blue GNOME, which is just about 5% less blue that kubuntu [06:44] highvoltage: no one likes the new kubuntu blue, so i guess it's in the same boat as ubuntu [06:44] Madpilot: no, the cd wouldn't boot and I am already enjoying teh orange [06:44] see, blue: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/gartublu?full=1 [06:45] highvoltage: left handed? [06:45] robotgeek: no, don't let the gnome meny position mislead you :) [06:46] robotgeek: i never use that anyway, so i just put it out of the way [06:46] heh, okay [06:46] highvoltage: where's your terminal :) [06:46] robotgeek: the apps at the right are what i use mostly, for anything else, I press ALT+F2 and run [06:46] robotgeek: i open it from desktop [06:46] robotgeek: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/gnome_terminal_4 [06:47] robotgeek: i always have a terminal open on one of my virtual desktops [06:47] robotgeek: i press ctrl+alt+left/right to switch [06:47] highvoltage: cool === highvoltage is a gnome power user :) === natroll_movie only ever uses one desktop [06:47] never got used to multiple desktops [06:48] I run 8 :P [06:48] natroll_movie: it sux when you use the mouse to switch, too much work, i like lots of keyboard shortcuts [06:48] me too [06:49] highvoltage: if you use firefox, get the next please extension, and http://users.tkk.fi/~psillanp/hah_hp/ === highvoltage looks [06:52] nice plugin. i think konqueror has that built-in. [06:52] highvoltage: it works better than the konq one. konq only does a-z [06:52] i use konqueror often to test browser compatibility, and i've seen those tags on web pages when i've accidentally pressed something before. [06:52] ah. === highvoltage installs [06:53] kill the rodent, now [07:00] hehe, is kubuntu also turning orange? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1862 [07:00] we object! [07:01] robotgeek: the riddel has spoken! [07:01] :) [07:01] 40% more blue === highvoltage tries to imaging the Ubuntu orange theme, but just 40% more blue [07:01] yuck === ribbo [n=riaan@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-54-226.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:41] morning [08:41] morning mdke_ [08:42] morning mdke [08:42] hi robotgeek, Burgundavia [08:43] it's time to unleash my kubuntu changes [08:43] mdke: awesome, xslt proc :) === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] ok, building gimmie defeats me [08:47] unleashed [08:47] so are we definitely dropping quickguide for kubuntu? [08:47] ++ [08:48] it becomes totally redundant with Desktop Guide and a Kde Quick Guide [08:49] I'll do that too [08:49] mdke: don't delete it yet [08:49] i need to go thru it and copy some relevant stuff [08:49] maybe just comment it in the makefile === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:50] I won't delete it, just removing it from the package [08:52] so have they approved a new freeze for us without asking? [08:52] mdke: yes [08:52] ok, we need to deal with that [08:52] 6 weeks is insane [08:53] realistically, not a lot is going to change for UI freeze, I don't think [08:53] and anyway, screenshots can be updated at any time, that doesn't count as a string :) [08:53] mdke: yes, maybe colors and stuff might change, but the rest should be okay [08:54] mdke: good point "pics not strings" [08:54] if we don't change the name of screenshots, and they aren't translated, I see no reason why they can't be updated at any time up to release [08:54] correct [08:55] so all we need to is to atleast have placeholders [08:55] quite [08:56] hmm [08:56] this is a pain [08:56] string freeze isn't until April 27 [08:58] Hope they don't go changing about stuff here and there [08:58] hmmmm [09:00] ok I'll send a proposal to the list [09:00] ill read it there [09:01] does the TB have an email address? [09:01] mdke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board [09:01] thanks [09:02] mailto:technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com [09:02] oops, too fast [09:06] ok mailed [09:11] yes, replying now :) [09:14] mdke: should i cc the TB [09:17] I'm committing dean's UDG patches now, just fyi [09:18] robotgeek, yeah [09:18] Madpilot, rock [09:20] Committed revision 2614. [09:21] mdke: rock with the xslt stuff [09:22] mdke: would i have to change anything now? i think bring back the headers === natroll [n=natroll@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:36] mdke, could we remove the entire ubuntu/menus/en directory? it seems to be redundant w/ menus/C ? [09:36] -> bed [09:37] later, robotgeek [09:37] later Madpilot === rob [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.236.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:56] mdke, ping === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.121] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:52] two commits is enough for one night. Later everyone === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.121] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka is now known as manicka_zZzzz === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@81.253.85.37] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@81.253.85.59] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:02] so do we now refer to dapper as 6.06 instead of 6.04? === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:09] I think so. At least that's how I understand this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/005555.html === mkde [n=matt@mailgate.20essexst.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:53] what's the preferred way to entity-ize the version? should it be in global.ent? === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:55] trappist: there is a ubuntu/gnome.ent that has it in, although yeah, it probably would be better as global.ent === UberoDocy [n=UberoDoc@83.240.222.170] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:02] hello. [06:03] can anyone point me on how to compile ubuntu-doc stuff in a single html file instead of generating the multiple html files? [06:04] the builds do both [06:04] what doc? [06:04] faqguide [06:04] so probably it is already there ... let me check:) [06:04] that's a breezy document [06:04] yape... [06:04] breezy stuff.... === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:04] http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html [06:05] mdke, yape... but I'm compiling localized version. [06:05] which language? [06:06] pt [06:06] yape... don't why but doesn't appear the *all document in build/gnome/faqi386/pt [06:06] so you want to build html from /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide/pt? [06:07] yes. [06:07] but I was using the source of ubuntu-doc to do it. [06:07] have you got a copy of our repository? [06:07] oh right [06:07] hang on [06:08] (what do you think on having in help.ubuntu.com the localized versions?) [06:08] ok thanks... [06:08] UberoDocy: we could have them there, but generally locoteams prefer to host them on their own sites [06:08] mdke, yape, that is the idea:) [06:08] ok [06:09] I did this in a crappy way.. changed the Makefile "C" to "pt" added some files in the right place.... [06:09] not sure if there is a better way. [06:09] it generates well the chapters and everything in html. [06:10] just getting the source for breezy [06:10] I downloaded the ubuntu-doc-6.2 tar.gz [06:11] if somebody wants to come up with a good name for the version entity I'll implement it and start hunting down literal version references === rob [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:12] trappist: just use the ones in ubuntu/libs/gnome.ent? [06:13] UberoDocy: 6.2 is a dapper package... [06:15] UberoDocy: if you use the stylesheet at /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/docbook.xsl it should build a single page of html, I think [06:16] mkde, I'm confused... can you give me a http address? If it was a dapper package wouldn't have translations right? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:17] that's right [06:18] UberoDocy: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-docs/ <-- dapper 6.03 and breezy 5.10 [06:20] UberoDocy: email me your translation and I'll build it for you [06:20] mdke@ubuntu.com [06:20] mdke, the breezy translations are on the package.... [06:21] I should learn in any case, for the future... :) [06:21] mdke, but thanks a lot for your offer. [06:21] our build system is a lot better now than it was for breezy [06:21] i'll use our new stylesheets [06:23] mkde, hhmm... build system of the dapper documentation you mean? [06:23] so, I can use breezy stuff and the improved dapper source to make the html? [06:23] just the dapper stylesheets [06:23] hhmm... [06:24] there should be no problems of retro compatibility then I guess... [06:24] it's just the style that changes ... [06:25] download this file: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/libs/ubuntu-html-single-cust.xsl and then run the command "xsltproc --xinclude -o faqguide-all-pt.html ubuntu-html-single-cust.xsl faqguide-pt.xml" [06:26] then you'll need the css: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/libs/ubuntu-book.css [06:26] if you put that css in ../../common in relation to your html it will work [06:27] are .omf files generated or do they need to be brought in line with the new world order of version entities? [06:28] trappist: the latter [06:28] k [06:28] trappist: actually [06:28] trappist: no entities in those, just correct it manually [06:28] my bad [06:28] ok [06:29] mkde, a big hurray for helpful guys like you :-) Thank you, with these points I should be able to move by myself. [06:31] UberoDocy: np hope it works [06:31] mkde: html files in the repo? like browser-startpage/C/index.html [06:31] generated or need to be fixed [06:31] trappist: i fixed that already... [06:32] but the latter [06:32] mkde: it's fixed to 6.06 but not to entities - at least not in what I have checked out [06:32] we can't use entities in html files [06:32] xml only [06:32] yeah I just realized that :) === dsas [n=dean@host86-143-89-14.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:37] trappist: so are you moving them to global.ent, or leaving them in the ubuntu/kubuntu specific files? [06:37] mkde: makes more sense to me to move them to global.ent [06:38] seeing as how they're global [06:38] go for it [06:39] though the kde.ent entities have kde-specific names like kdistro-rev etc. so I'm leaving those [06:39] just fixing their values [06:40] mkde, it worked... just a ubuntu-banner.xsl missing. Now, small icon images are not being included .... where are they? [06:41] UberoDocy: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/common/ [06:41] trappist: i spose we can do a find/replace to fix the names too [06:42] kdistro-rev -> distro-rev [06:42] can do that too === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] the validator's giving me a zillion or so 'entity not defined' errors for entities I haven't touched. guess I'll fix those too. [07:04] mkde, I'm happy :-) everything works. [07:06] see u late guys. [07:41] hrm. just sent two gpg-signed messages to the list. kmail calls one of the signatures bad. does everybody's show them that way? === trappist does a relevant experiment [07:47] ok I thought maybe I'd entered the wrong passphrase and kmail had happily sent out a bad sig, but apparently it doesn't bahave that way. thank god. [07:50] if you guys could have a look, I'd be very interested to know whether kmail made a bad signature or is mistakenly calling it bad. === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:56] trappist: patches and more patches. Kmail complains "Message was signed by trappist at gmail.com (Key ID: 0xblahbalh" Warning: The signature is bad. [07:57] the second email comes thru fine [07:59] well suck. I wonder how it did that. it's good news, though. thanks. [07:59] trappist: if both were invalid, i would not have am issue. heh [07:59] it tells me it was signed by grasshopper@linuxkungfu.org... maybe you imported my gmail one? [08:00] trappist: kmail does that automatically, i guess. lemme purge ans retry === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:04] robotgeek, yeah, you can re-add the headers and xincludes === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:04] mdke: i'll do that next time i am messing about [08:05] they're the same two signatures here, both from grasshopper@linuxkungfo.org [08:05] trappist: it validates one, but doesn't the other. [08:05] robotgeek: yeah same here [08:05] I'm gonna re-send the first one [08:06] the one in my sent folder is validated [08:07] robotgeek, great [08:08] did the patchs get applied trappist sent? [08:08] still invalid. [08:09] jjesse, not yet. That's a lot of patches :) [08:09] I wonder if mailman is modifying the message [08:09] i'll apply the kubuntu one [08:10] jjesse, there may be more than one for kubuntu [08:10] trappist, ? [08:11] about kubuntu [08:11] mdke: the gpg signature is invalid on the first email (and the 2nd try of the first email). I think mailman may be touching the message in a way that breaks the signature. [08:11] I'm not bothered about the gpg signature... which emails should we be looking at? [08:12] "[PATCH] Entities and validation" and "[PATCH] Entities and validation part 2" [08:12] ok, so ignoring (retry)? [08:12] dang it i don't have my svn password on me :( [08:12] mdke: yes [08:12] about-kubunut needs to be patched [08:12] jjesse, we could ask trappist for a single patch and one of us can apply [08:13] haha. it would have been so much easier to make a single patch in the first place :) [08:13] i thought we asked him earlier tosend different patches per file [08:13] yeah [08:13] per doc [08:13] but this might be an exceptional case ;) [08:13] mdke: for i in *.patch ; do patch -p0 <$i; done [08:13] and the wiki says per filename, with the patches named accordingly :/ [08:13] trappist, do they all validate? [08:14] mdke: there are two pre-existing validation errors left [08:14] which docs? [08:14] lemme see [08:15] robotgeek, if all the patches were done from the same directory, that will work I think [08:15] later folks [08:15] bye [08:15] kubuntu/userguide/C/userguide.xml and generic/packagingguide/C/appendix.xml [08:15] mdke: they were [08:15] ok [08:15] robotgeek, do you fancy applying them all? if not I'll do it later when I am at my laptop [08:16] apply the patches and say: svn stat | egrep '^M.+\.xml' | awk '{print $2}' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done [08:16] then we can fix those validation things later [08:16] mdke: okay, i don't mind [08:17] trappist, what do you mean in the email by "invalid entity names"? [08:17] mdke: mixed-case entity names don't validate [08:18] sure? I've never seen that [08:18] wiki-RootSudo didn't, but it was fine once I lowercased it in the .ent and the .xml [08:18] the desktop guide has always validated despite using wiki-RootSudo [08:18] or maybe I'm mistaken [08:19] anyhow, dinner [08:19] enjoy [08:19] any doc-base experts around? [08:20] LaserJock: ask your question ;) [08:20] well, I'm trying to make a .docbase file to register ubuntu-docs with doc base [08:21] but I'm not sure wheither I need to do each doc individually or just the whole /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/html/ directory [08:22] I suppose I could just try it out and see [08:23] apparently you can use a shell glob [08:23] for the files field [08:23] trappist: so, apply them with the validation errors? === robotgeek is scared. takes another look [08:24] robotgeek: I'm pretty sure I didn't introduce the validation errors... but if you apply them and validate like above you can see what they are. they don't look at all related to anything I changed. [08:27] trappist: okay, lemme take a look one by one [08:28] svn needs a unrevert command :) [08:28] heh. [08:31] trappist: about the entities in mixed cases, it does validate with root-Sudo [08:31] odd, it didn't here [08:32] nvm, i'l lcommit after coffee [08:37] ok if I change it back it does validate. maybe that was one of the files that wasn't sourcing global.ent. [08:37] if you like I'll do one big patch (with that one omitted) [08:47] hmm, can anybody give me a quick abstract of the Desktop Guide? [08:48] trappist: that would me nice [08:48] LaserJock: eating food, moment [08:49] LaserJock, see ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide-C.omf [08:49] mdke: is that current? [08:49] yep [08:49] hope so [08:49] mdke: I read it and it said it was a Q & A [08:49] mdke: I thought we moved away from that [08:49] I'll look [08:50] yeah that's crap [08:50] we should redo it [08:50] robotgeek: http://tra.ppi.st/bigun.diff [08:52] trappist: thanks, i'll take a look [08:53] robotgeek: maybe you could validate generic/packagingguide/C/appendix.xml and kubuntu/userguide/C/userguide.xml before applying, to verify that I didn't introduce the validation errors [08:54] trappist: yes, i am currently unreverting all. btw, thanks for the readline trick. [08:54] np [08:55] unreverting? [08:55] sorry, reverting :) [08:57] oh. I just svn revert -R . === robotgeek notes [08:59] trappist: kubuntu user guide does not validate, btw [08:59] what is this kubuntu/userguide stuff? [08:59] sounds like another one to be nuked [09:00] trappist: what are you doing to the packaging guide? [09:00] heh, that is one from breezy i think mdke [09:01] LaserJock: nothing that I know of except the same stuff I'm doing to everything else... word nazi stuff, validation stuff and entity-izing versions [09:02] robotgeek, we'll ask jjesse and then nuke it [09:02] jjesse_meeting, ^^ [09:02] robotgeek: are you applying all of trappist's patches? [09:03] LaserJock: havent applied anything yet, trying to fix validation first [09:04] userguide can be nuked [09:04] thanks [09:04] robotgeek, ^ [09:04] robotgeek: mind if I take care of the packaging guide patches? [09:04] mdke: okay. i'll be at the meeting to get what's happening to the Kubuntu Deskopt Firsthand [09:05] LaserJock: sure, go ahead :) [09:05] robotgeek, meeting? [09:05] mdke: kubuntu dev meeting [09:05] mdke: I think I almost have doc-base files for ubuntu-docs [09:05] robotgeek, cool [09:05] LaserJock, cool [09:05] @ everyone, cool [09:05] mdke: :) === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-147.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === UberoDocy [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-147.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:07] wow, they are planning to change the menus again. [09:07] for kubuntu or ubutu :( [09:08] for kubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [09:09] robotgeek, LaserJock, how is the trappist patching expedition going? any help needed? [09:10] mdke: i'll look at it after the meeting [09:10] ok, shout if you need anything [09:10] sure === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:23] mdke: grrr, the doc-base thing has some weirdnesses === bkjones [n=bkj@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:26] bkjones: cool === robotgeek sees bkjones 's hostmask as pretty close geographically [09:27] :) [09:27] NJ [09:27] bkjones: i'm currently in Somerset [09:28] ah. I'm at Princeton Univ. [09:28] Used to work on World's fair dr. in somerset. [09:28] bkjones: yes, seen from hostmask. :) [09:29] robotgeek: script? [09:29] jjesse: to switch from Description (Name) to Name (Description) [09:30] ah [09:30] i wrote it last time i had make the switch [09:30] robotgeek: I though that is what emacs is for ;-) [09:30] i think its just way to late to have discussions like this [09:30] LaserJock: i could use vim macros, but i tht of some fun with python [09:30] jjesse: yes === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:39] I'm really bothered by the gpg signature breakage on the list. I sent the message to myself and it comes out fine. [09:39] trappist: LP seems to do it too [09:39] LP? [09:39] oh launchpad [09:39] I think. I'm not certain [09:40] I've noticed the same behaviour [09:40] I emailed mailman@lists.ubuntu.com but I dunno if that actually goes to anybody. [09:41] possibly [09:52] trappist, jdub does the lists [09:52] cool [10:01] Burgwork: guess you just have to wait ;-) although I would have thought they would have announced it by now [10:02] LaserJock, I am more concerned about image\ [10:03] Burgwork: yeah. Were you around when they decided? I didn't realize they voted on it already until Keybuk told me [10:16] mdke: I don't think the doc-base thing is going to work [10:16] mdke: at least not for dapper [10:16] LaserJock, ok, no worries! thanks for trying [10:17] mdke: basically all the viewer (dhelp, dwww, and doc-central) look for docs in /usr/share/doc/ [10:18] mdke: we would need to split up the individual docs into packages [10:18] whoosh [10:18] mdke: I'm not sure why this is required but it seems to be the case [10:19] ok, mark the bug as wontfix then, sounds like it is a lot harder than the advantages [10:19] the viewers are quite cool though [10:19] They might be something to look at in the future [10:19] unless enrico knows a bit more and can help [10:19] dhelp especially is nice [10:20] they are somewhat like yelp, except DE independent [10:20] cool [10:20] they can show man pages etc [10:20] LaserJock: where is this dhelp that you speak of? [10:21] robotgeek: it is a program apt-get it [10:21] awesome [10:21] they just use a browser and in the case of dwww and doc-central, apache [10:22] LaserJock: building yzis for now, will check it out as soon as that is done [10:23] If they could deal with our doc structure I think they would be quite cool [10:24] dhelp is uninstallable here. dhelp_parse segfaults in postinst. [10:24] trappist: bummer, what arch? [10:24] i386 [10:25] hmm, odd [10:25] Building HTML tree .../var/lib/dpkg/info/dhelp.postinst: line 45: 17355 Segmentation fault /usr/sbin/dhelp_parse -r [10:25] I'm on i386 [10:25] breezy or dapper? [10:25] dapper [10:25] ah, i'm on breezy [10:25] hmm, that is a problem in general ;-) [10:26] I'd try it on my dapper box but it's at home and there's an apt-get upgrade process waiting for me to say yes or something to [10:26] lol [10:26] that's why I keep a dapper chroot around [10:27] dwww or doc-central also should work, although they have more deps [10:27] I used to have that and a dapper vmware image but since I have a full on dapper box now, I figure it's just wasted space [10:27] LaserJock: you know about yzis? it embeds vim in every text editor [10:27] or alteast the keybindings :) [10:27] robotgeek: never heard of it, sounds viral ;-) [10:28] heh. [10:28] I'm still trying to figure out vim to start with [10:29] I'm trying to figure out how to use the xml ftplugin [10:29] ok dwww is cool. === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:30] Burgwork, ping [10:30] mdke: need help? [10:30] trappist: yeah, it is. I just can't figure out how to get the Ubuntu docs in there [10:30] enrico, LaserJock might need some help with the docbase thing, I'll leave it to him to explain [10:30] mdke, pong [10:31] mdke: ok [10:31] LaserJock: at your service [10:31] enrico: I made a couple doc-base control files and they work ok, except I can't view them with any viewer [10:31] enrico: basically I've tried dhelp, dwww, and doc-central [10:32] enrico: the problem seems to be that they only want docs in /usr/share/doc/ [10:32] enrico: where there is a for each of our docs [10:33] enrico: but we ship the docs all in /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ [10:33] right [10:34] and apache only exports /usr/share/doc [10:34] yeah [10:34] I guess documents outside /usr/share/doc aren't viewable, unless you make symlinks [10:34] so I can see links to the docs, I just can't access them [10:34] LaserJock: you can try symlinking from /usr/share/ubuntu-docs into some place in /usr/share/doc [10:35] enrico: hmm, seems a bit hackish. let me see if it works [10:36] LaserJock: grep DWWW_DOCPATH /usr/share/dwww/functions.sh [10:37] yeah [10:38] LaserJock: you can set that in /etc/dwww/dwww.conf [10:39] trappist: yeah, but I don't feel like patching dwww [10:39] oh [10:40] I mean I can do it locally for sure. I'm just trying to figure out how we can ship it ;-) [10:42] sweet, symlink worked [10:43] now I wonder if I can convince dholbach to do the symlinks [10:44] LaserJock: I imagine it's easy to convince dholbach: symlinking documentation into /usr/share/doc makes a big lot of sense [10:45] enrico: ok, thanks for the suggestion. I'll talk him into it ;-) [10:48] LaserJock: you're welcome! [10:50] i can do the symlinks [10:50] if it's a good idea [10:51] LaserJock, actually you can do it too. see debian/links [10:51] mdke: yeah, I just wanted to make sure it was ok [10:51] it is a Main package after all [10:52] fair enough [10:52] mdke: ok, I'll get it all fixed today [10:52] ping daniel then :) [10:52] already got his approval ;-) [10:52] ah cool === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:55] mdke: I'm doing About Ubuntu, Ubuntu Desktop Guide, and Ubuntu Server Guide [10:55] mdke: Is that all that is planned for HTML? [10:55] we can ship anything html [10:55] I just download the .deb and looked at what HTML is currently shipped [10:56] that shouldn't change should it? [10:56] I guess the Packaging Guide could be shipped as HTML [10:57] are you guys packaging the kubuntu docs as well ? [10:59] LaserJock, you can do the kubuntu docs too? should be easier because they are already under /usr/share/doc [10:59] jjesse: I haven't touched the kubuntu stuff much. [10:59] mdke: I can [10:59] who packages those up? riddell? [10:59] yeah [10:59] jjesse, did you not see my new package for kubuntu-docs? [10:59] mdke: i haven't been at my desk all day, just got here to be honest [10:59] mdke: no [11:00] When is the String Freeze? [11:00] check out the dapper schedule, don't remember the link === Kyral falls down [11:00] sorry :) [11:00] Kyral: wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed [11:00] jjesse: don't worry, he does that all the time :) [11:00] slewed was removed, it is just DapperReleaseSchedule [11:00] Kyral, but we will hope to make it earlier [11:01] *shrug* Justed wanted to know how much time I had to grammer check tthings randomly [11:01] Kyral: not long, get to work! [11:01] ;-) [11:01] Kyral, 2 weeks maybe [11:02] mkay [11:02] Maybe I'll make a mockup for a hing about Xen [11:03] mdke: I haven't seen a kubuntu-docs packagage go by on dapper-changes in quite some time [11:03] actually I need to go fold laundry... [11:07] LaserJock, maybe we should get an upload [11:11] mdke: looks like Feb 15th was the last [11:13] mdke: and there are a couple bugs open on it [11:13] mdke: I'll try to get the doc-base thing done an poke Riddell about it [11:15] bugs on kubuntu-docs? === mdke goes to look [11:16] oh those are well old [11:17] hmm, they are. I though one looked new. I was mistaken === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:52] trappist: ping?