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| iGotNoTime | is there any Xen work being done by the (ed)(k)ubuntu teams? | 02:18 |
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| highvoltage | hi ogra | 07:31 |
| highvoltage | ogra: what do you think about stories like this: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/03/16/1954251.shtml | 07:32 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage: ugh | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: my sentiments exactly :) | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | Burgundavia: they had a big thing in the tectonic magazine about how 'cool' automatix is :/ | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | silc wrote a similar script | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | there is a need | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | in fact, the silc script basically did the same thing as automatix | 07:34 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: ping | 07:53 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: pongo | 07:53 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I am here today btw... in case you have nice shiny stuff to show me :) (or new music for my MP3 player - or what have you... ) | 07:54 |
| JaneW | pongo is an ex collegue of mine :) (named after a gorilla in a joke) | 07:54 |
| highvoltage | :) | 08:01 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: will you still be here at 13:00? i have a a meeting that's more or less the whole morning | 08:01 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: yes till after 16:00 | 08:05 |
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| sivang | howdy folks | 08:53 |
| highvoltage | howdy! | 08:55 |
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| highvoltage | strange. i've bought my computer from home to work today, and the exact noises that my computer make, makes me feel more at home | 12:03 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: GEEK | 12:45 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: :) | 01:12 |
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| JaneW | thanks highvoltage :) | 01:42 |
| ogra | what do you guys think of dropping firefox in favor of epiphany ? | 01:44 |
| ogra | it could probably gain us a lot of space | 01:44 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: np | 01:44 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i actually considered it yesterday :) | 01:44 |
| JaneW | ogra: er can we do that? | 01:45 |
| ogra | i'll try to get that running ... | 01:45 |
| JaneW | and should we? | 01:45 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i personally think it would be a good idea, although firefox has a huge following | 01:45 |
| JaneW | it goes against ubuntu default | 01:45 |
| highvoltage | ogra: it does support flash, JRE, etc, right? | 01:45 |
| ogra | JaneW, there is no difference in functionallity | 01:45 |
| ogra | yep | 01:45 |
| highvoltage | how much space does it save? | 01:45 |
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| === ogra doesnt care about ubuntu default if he can probably get 20M free space :) | ||
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| ogra | the space we'd save is not through dropping firefox, but through dropping the ff translations | 01:46 |
| highvoltage | ogra: then drop evolution too, while you're at it :) | 01:46 |
| ogra | in favor of what ? | 01:46 |
| ogra | i see no valid replacement ... | 01:46 |
| highvoltage | is thunderbird not smaller than evolution? | 01:47 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: NO | 01:47 |
| ogra | nope | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | although that goes against ubuntu again :/ | 01:47 |
| JaneW | you'd lose me as a user | 01:47 |
| ogra | and waaay bigger on the CD | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | ok :) | 01:47 |
| ogra | the mozilla products all have extra language packages | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | most schools i've seen doesn't use an e-mail client | 01:47 |
| ogra | these eat a lot of space | 01:47 |
| highvoltage | they just use web interfaces | 01:48 |
| ogra | the epiphany translations for example are contained in the gnome language packs anyway | 01:48 |
| ogra | i'll change the seeds and do some tests the next days to figure what we'd really gain through a switch ... | 01:49 |
| ogra | if its significant, i'd go for dropping ff | 01:49 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i was just talking to jane, could we also replace that folder icon on the edutainment menu to something else? | 01:49 |
| ogra | sure, i'll have to make some icon theme related stuff anyway to get the logo into the menu | 01:50 |
| ogra | got an icon for me that fits there ?= | 01:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: yay thanks | 01:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: a school/education related thing would be nice | 01:51 |
| highvoltage | ogra: more or less, JaneW made some suggestions, i'll get you one before the end of the weekend | 01:51 |
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| ogra | i fear we wont be able to change the "about ubuntu" text in the menu | 01:51 |
| ogra | its not configurable ... | 01:51 |
| highvoltage | ogra: we have that chalkboardy pic we can scale down, and jane also suggested an apple | 01:51 |
| ogra | and probably to late for a patch | 01:51 |
| ogra | an apple ? | 01:51 |
| ogra | only if they dont sue us then ;) | 01:52 |
| highvoltage | ogra: it looks 'educationally' | 01:52 |
| highvoltage | ogra: lol | 01:52 |
| highvoltage | ogra: well, there *will* be a PPC version ;) | 01:52 |
| ogra | heh | 01:52 |
| ogra | even one for intel macs by the looks of it | 01:52 |
| highvoltage | ogra: the default firefox/epiphany page, I think it would be nice if it matched the Edubuntu website with regards to theming | 01:53 |
| ogra | yep | 01:53 |
| highvoltage | ogra: would we be able to do that? it might cost +/- 300KB | 01:53 |
| ogra | but thats stuff we can still change after apr 20th ... | 01:53 |
| ogra | there is no hurry for artwork stuff now that the schedule is longe | 01:53 |
| highvoltage | nice, so is it definate that the release is postponed? i missed a bit. | 01:53 |
| ogra | r | 01:53 |
| ogra | yep | 01:53 |
| ogra | was decided on wednesday | 01:54 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: this too lame? http://webclipart.about.com/od/special/l/blgrad1.htm | 01:54 |
| ogra | license ? | 01:54 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: the license won't work for us: http://webclipart.about.com/library/weekly/blterms.htm | 01:55 |
| JaneW | blah! :/ | 01:55 |
| ogra | and we had the discussion about the hat already i think ... | 01:55 |
| ogra | doing something with the chalkboard would be fine ... | 01:56 |
| === JaneW likes the chalkboard idea | ||
| JaneW | ogra: what happened to the idea of an edubuntu DVD? | 01:58 |
| ogra | we have one ... since breezy | 02:00 |
| highvoltage | this is a kde icon, i think gpl licensed: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/edu.png | 02:04 |
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| ogra | lol | 02:36 |
| ogra | i was thinking about starting to use tomboy and keep a phrase collection for copy paste ;) | 02:37 |
| highvoltage | :) | 02:38 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: i like that icon! | 02:39 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: kewl | 02:40 |
| JaneW | ogra: sorry... | 02:40 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: the ogra-bot is a good idea +++ | 02:40 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: when i get my bandwidth at home back, i'll add the bot to the channel and call it edubuntugirl | 02:41 |
| highvoltage | :) | 02:41 |
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| JaneW | heh | 02:41 |
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| guim | hi all | 03:06 |
| guim | just a question, to anyone who can answer | 03:06 |
| guim | is there a way top get edubuntu CD's (just like ubuntu) to distribute? | 03:06 |
| ogra | its planned for dapper to have a limited amount on shipit.ubuntu.com | 03:07 |
| ogra | but not 100% agreed yet | 03:07 |
| guim | in the context of our project : Claroline we organise an event (http://accu.claroline.net) I thought about giving some to the people there | 03:07 |
| guim | oh ok ogra | 03:07 |
| ogra | we dont have it for breezy, sorry ... | 03:08 |
| guim | our event is on 22 and 23 of may | 03:11 |
| guim | so this is possible with dapper for us | 03:11 |
| guim | and even quiet nice, as we would diffuse a recent version | 03:11 |
| ogra | dapper will release on june 1st ... | 03:12 |
| guim | dapper EDUbuntu ? | 03:12 |
| ogra | dapper | 03:12 |
| guim | ok, bad luck for us then | 03:12 |
| ogra | all dapper variants ... | 03:12 |
| guim | i was misconfusing date of release of ubuntu with edubunth | 03:12 |
| guim | all? | 03:13 |
| ogra | yes | 03:13 |
| guim | ok the date was changed recently | 03:13 |
| ogra | yep | 03:13 |
| guim | ok | 03:13 |
| ogra | agreed on on wednesday | 03:13 |
| guim | bad luck for us: we could have given this CD to about 100 persons (we hope!) from educationnal contexts | 03:13 |
| ogra | :( | 03:14 |
| guim | I'll ask Mark Shuttleworth to change the date for us, so that we could get the cd's on time :) | 03:18 |
| guim | sur he could do that | 03:18 |
| JaneW | guim: good luck wuth that! | 03:18 |
| guim | ;-) | 03:18 |
| ogra | heh | 03:20 |
| highvoltage | ogra: s/shipit.ubuntu.com/shipit.edubuntu.org :) | 03:30 |
| highvoltage | (from what i've heard) | 03:30 |
| ogra | really o_O | 03:30 |
| ogra | WOW | 03:30 |
| highvoltage | bye edubuntero's. have a good weekend! | 03:33 |
| guim | oh... | 03:33 |
| guim | I was about to ask him , what did he mean with shipit.edubuntu.org? is that really planned? | 03:33 |
| ogra | seems like | 03:33 |
| guim | nice | 03:34 |
| ogra | :) | 03:34 |
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| iGotNoTime | Hello friends :) | 04:16 |
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| seanh | Hello! Quick question, I'm running Ubuntu, if I install the package edubuntu-desktop, can I then choose between Ubuntu and Edubuntu at login? | 05:11 |
| ogra | nope | 05:11 |
| seanh | d'oh! | 05:11 |
| ogra | edubuntu-desktop makes a edubuntu desktop of your ubuntu-desktop ... | 05:12 |
| seanh | So I need to install it as a seperate OS, with its own partitions and everything? | 05:12 |
| seanh | well, good job I asked U suppose | 05:12 |
| ogra | you *can* install edubuntu-desktop, have a second account and undo the artwork changes for this user ... | 05:13 |
| ogra | but there is no way to select between ubuntu/edubuntu on login ... edubuntu modifies the system defaults | 05:13 |
| seanh | ok... so basically edubuntu will bring in a bunch of education-related packages, and will alter system defaults relating to artwork? | 05:14 |
| ogra | for the -desktop part, yes | 05:14 |
| seanh | and the server and live packages? | 05:16 |
| ogra | the live package only contains liveCD specific stuff | 05:16 |
| ogra | nothing you should install on a running system | 05:16 |
| ogra | and the -server package depends on the server parts of edubuntu | 05:17 |
| seanh | What server stuff does edubuntu do? Is it a thin-client thing? | 05:18 |
| ogra | yep | 05:18 |
| ogra | ltsp and schooltool ... | 05:18 |
| ogra | but note that the setup thats done by the edubuntu installer will have to be done manually if you want to use it on top of astandard ubuntu | 05:19 |
| seanh | Right.... so schooltool is a like a school-wide calendering tool that you can access from anywhere in the school network? | 05:19 |
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| ogra | yep | 05:20 |
| seanh | I was just curious about installing it on my Ubuntu machine to take a look at it, not to actually setup a network with it | 05:20 |
| ogra | then -desktop is all you want | 05:20 |
| seanh | Right... except it'll mess with my ubuntu settings, so it might just leave it until I can install Edunbuntu directly somewhere | 05:21 |
| ogra | i meeses with the system defaults, not your user settings ;) | 05:22 |
| seanh | Do you know how many people are working on Edubuntu, roughly? Has it been deployed anywhere? I saw photos of a test deployment or something on the website | 05:22 |
| ogra | and uninstalling edubuntu-artwork and edubuntu-artwork-usplash will revert the settings changes | 05:22 |
| seanh | Oh I see, so my current user will be untouched, that might be okay | 05:22 |
| ogra | there is a bunch of people working on edubuntu, distro develpment is mainly done by me ... | 05:23 |
| seanh | and it has sponsorship from Ubuntu? | 05:25 |
| ogra | yep | 05:25 |
| ogra | rather from canonical ... | 05:25 |
| ogra | and there are several running setups of edubuntu in schools out there already ... | 05:26 |
| ogra | (to answer the deployment question :) ) | 05:26 |
| seanh | How has the feedback from schools been? | 05:27 |
| ogra | where we get it, its mostly positive ... | 05:27 |
| seanh | Where in the world has it been deployed? I guess it's mostly places that want to use cheap hardware and free software? | 05:28 |
| ogra | we have users in curacao, vanuatu, tuvalu, tobago, chile, the netherlands, brazil and germany that i know of ... | 05:31 |
| ogra | oh, and norway, spain i forgot ... | 05:31 |
| ogra | and indeed the uk | 05:31 |
| seanh | the UK? Huh. That's where I am. Interesting. | 05:32 |
| ogra | i'm not really aware of the french community, they have theor own forums and mailing lists | 05:32 |
| seanh | The French community? | 05:33 |
| ogra | yeah, there is a edubuntu-fr team ... | 05:33 |
| ogra | they did a derivative of the ubuntu liveCD with edubuntu-desktop and some extra software on top | 05:34 |
| seanh | ok | 05:35 |
| seanh | I might be interested in developing on/for edubuntu. I'm in the first year of a PhD in there area of Advanced Interactive Learning Environments. So far I'm supposed to be doing something to do with interactive educational stories, specifically with immersive navigable environments, like a 3D game, network multiplayer roleplay | 05:36 |
| ogra | cool | 05:37 |
| seanh | I'm at the stage of putting together a proposal for my project... it'd be cool if I could make it something that would be useful to edubuntu | 05:37 |
| ogra | absolutely :) | 05:38 |
| seanh | Well.... I mean, I have written quite a lot of stuff, been at it for over 6 months, but I'm still totally thrashing around trying to find something that I really want to do. It'd be good I think to coordinate a bit with edubuntu people, so I can actually create my project to fill some need edubuntu has or to be useful for edubuntu | 05:40 |
| ogra | start by subscribing to the edubuntu-devel mailing list ;) | 05:41 |
| ogra | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | 05:41 |
| ogra | there are users, teachers and developers that can probably help you finding out whats required | 05:42 |
| seanh | Ok | 05:42 |
| seanh | So far I have been looking at doing something with FLOSS 3D games technology and storytelling, i.e. immersive, interactive 3D stories, I don't see any 3D games being considered for edubuntu yet though, and I could be amenable to moving away from that | 05:43 |
| ogra | the thing is that our main target is a ltsp classroom server, running GL apps ofer ltsp is painful ... | 05:44 |
| ogra | *over | 05:44 |
| ogra | thats why we dont have many GL things in the default install | 05:45 |
| seanh | right... I can imagine | 05:45 |
| ogra | (nou need direct hardware access for the app to get all advantages out of GL) | 05:45 |
| ogra | *you | 05:45 |
| seanh | So with ltsp... do the client machines even have hard drives? Are they actually running edubuntu? Or are they simply passing input to the server, receiving output, and displaying it? | 05:46 |
| ogra | the lattre | 05:46 |
| ogra | no harddrives ... | 05:46 |
| iGotNoTime | ogra I have an semi-advanced question :) | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | I want to see my TOP on my dedicated boxes | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | but.... | 05:47 |
| ogra | they are booting from the net, start an x server and a loginmanager ... the loginmanager then logs you in to a desktop session on the server | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | can I see those stats as a graphical chart in any way form my home? | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | maybe a widget or something can do that? | 05:47 |
| iGotNoTime | not trying to interrupt, any reply is fine at any time :) | 05:48 |
| ogra | iGotNoTime, not yet ... but that would be a good add on feature for student-control-panel ... | 05:48 |
| seanh | Right, so the login manager and X Server run on the clients, the session and any apps launched etc. run on the server | 05:48 |
| ogra | yep | 05:48 |
| iGotNoTime | ogra where do I post suggestion? | 05:49 |
| ogra | the clients are just like display/keayboard/mouse anhancers of the server | 05:49 |
| iGotNoTime | ubuntu forum? | 05:49 |
| ogra | iGotNoTime, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet | 05:49 |
| seanh | Is it one server per school? One server per classroom? Depends on the situation? | 05:51 |
| ogra | the latter ... | 05:51 |
| seanh | It seems if you had any OpenGL app, it'd need to run on the server, and you'd want a fast machine. But 3D games can be useful in education, so you'd want to support that | 05:52 |
| ogra | no, you need to run it on the client | 05:52 |
| ogra | the app will need direct access to the graphics hardware | 05:52 |
| iGotNoTime | ok now more technical question now.... again no rush on reply :) | 05:53 |
| iGotNoTime | I want to edit a user's group, and I open group and find the user it says : joshua:x:1000: | 05:53 |
| iGotNoTime | I know root is not suggested and I am not going to do just want the knowledge | 05:54 |
| ogra | dont use an editor to work on such files | 05:54 |
| ogra | use either the gui or commandline tools for it ... | 05:54 |
| iGotNoTime | all I would have to do is change it to joshua:x:1000:root correct? | 05:54 |
| iGotNoTime | yes using nano I mean | 05:54 |
| iGotNoTime | I am trying to work on my dedicated box now ;) | 05:54 |
| iGotNoTime | I want the user to have full access to all files via SFTP using a windows ftp client | 05:55 |
| ogra | the superuser group is "admin" in ubuntu ... | 05:55 |
| ogra | (the user with uid 1000 is in there by default) | 05:55 |
| iGotNoTime | but I mean adding the group name at the end is sufficient? | 05:55 |
| ogra | yep | 05:56 |
| ogra | but dont use an editor | 05:56 |
| iGotNoTime | so on the dedicated box joshua:x:1000:ftp would then allow that user to login with FTP? | 05:56 |
| ogra | adduser joshus ftp | 05:56 |
| ogra | joshua | 05:56 |
| iGotNoTime | wow :) | 05:56 |
| iGotNoTime | CLI is getting easier everyday :) | 05:56 |
| ogra | i think vsftp leats users in that can log in anyway, no need for an extra group | 05:57 |
| iGotNoTime | WS_FTP gives the SFTP option, but they need to be in a proper usergroup for the chmod rights | 05:57 |
| iGotNoTime | that is why I am interested in how to edit the user's groups | 05:58 |
| iGotNoTime | ogra, thanks for the help again :) | 05:58 |
| ogra | :) | 05:58 |
| iGotNoTime | ogra, what country are you in? | 05:58 |
| ogra | germany | 05:58 |
| iGotNoTime | :) | 05:58 |
| seanh | HOw come edubuntu-desktop depends on pyopengl? | 05:59 |
| ogra | it depends on nearly every python dependency we have ... | 05:59 |
| ogra | thats inherited from ubuntu | 05:59 |
| ogra | the python stuff doesnt take much space | 06:00 |
| seanh | ubuntu doesn't depend on python-opengl though. Maybe one of the edubuntu games uses it | 06:00 |
| ogra | and python is our committed development language | 06:00 |
| ogra | might be a dep of pygame or so | 06:01 |
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| ogra | brb | 06:01 |
| seanh | So... if I install edubuntu-desktop right now, my user will be untouched (except for a pile of apps added to the menu), but when I create a new user I will get an edubuntu user? Then I can create ubuntu users again if I remove edubuntu-art and -usplash? | 06:01 |
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| C-O-L-T-AWAY | Seveas: ? | 06:35 |
| Seveas | C-O-L-T-AWAY, ? | 06:35 |
| C-O-L-T-AWAY | Seveas: If I install dapper flight 5 I will be able to update to the final release? | 06:36 |
| Seveas | sure | 06:36 |
| Seveas | just regularly apt-get upgrade | 06:36 |
| C-O-L-T-AWAY | Seveas: ok, and how stable is flight 5? | 06:36 |
| Seveas | very | 06:36 |
| C-O-L-T-AWAY | Seveas: for everyday use like internet, music, chat is it ok? | 06:37 |
| Seveas | yeah, I use it for much more than that | 06:37 |
| C-O-L-T-AWAY | Seveas: cool, and contains gnome 2.14 right? | 06:38 |
| Seveas | yup | 06:38 |
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| C-O-L-T-AWAY | Seveas: really cool. Thanks for the info. I am downloading flight 5 that is why I am asking these things | 06:39 |
| C-O-L-T-AWAY | Seveas: thanks again | 06:40 |
| Seveas | np | 06:40 |
| iGotNoTime | usergroups is to Group as users is to ? | 06:43 |
| iGotNoTime | fill in the blank :) | 06:43 |
| iGotNoTime | I want to see all the users not the groups | 06:43 |
| iGotNoTime | ok another good question :) I logged the new user into FTP... | 06:48 |
| iGotNoTime | he is in the proper groups | 06:48 |
| iGotNoTime | but the folder he needs access to has a different user that owns | 06:48 |
| iGotNoTime | same group though | 06:48 |
| iGotNoTime | I want this one user to have access to all domains for FTP uploading | 06:48 |
| iGotNoTime | the problem is all domains have different user names but in the same FTP group | 06:48 |
| iGotNoTime | any suggestions? | 06:49 |
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| mikearthur | man | 06:58 |
| mikearthur | I'm tempted to just break into the school I was doing experience in today and install edubuntu on all the machines | 06:58 |
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| iGotNoTime | wanna be tempted more mikearthur ? look at the screenshot of the teachers computer http://www.redianet.com/img/pantallazo2.gif | 07:45 |
| ogra | thats not edubuntu | 07:47 |
| ogra | its a suggestion for teachers pet ... | 07:48 |
| iGotNoTime | OHHHHHHH!!!! | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | MY BAD | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | I am so sorry for misleading | 07:50 |
| iGotNoTime | I thought that was a package for edubuntu :) | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | i don't think anyone was mislead, that was clearly a windows screenshot ;) | 07:51 |
| iGotNoTime | * ducks back embarassed | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | :) | 07:53 |
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| iGotNoTime | hope nobody has technical question :( | 11:04 |
| iGotNoTime | LOL | 11:04 |
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| iGotNoTime | Ohhh god no LOL | 11:10 |
| iGotNoTime | sorry girl didn't see your name :) You are plenty capable :) | 11:10 |
| iGotNoTime | I only noticed that ogra and highvoltage were both gone :) | 11:10 |
| iGotNoTime | they are the one's who answer my noob questions :P | 11:10 |
| HedgeMage | I'm just being a smart aleck :) | 11:18 |
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| iGotNoTime | :) | 11:19 |
| iGotNoTime | me too :) | 11:19 |
| HedgeMage | how is your day going? | 11:23 |
| iGotNoTime | excellent :) | 11:23 |
| iGotNoTime | learning soooo much | 11:23 |
| iGotNoTime | I only have Linux now because it is easier to SSH into our dediacted server. SQL editing is easier than in XP too. But now I am starting to really enjoy the OS more than XP! | 11:24 |
| iGotNoTime | so finding this out today, I just feel happy that ogra convinced me to install :) | 11:24 |
| iGotNoTime | how long have you run this? | 11:24 |
| HedgeMage | I've been using Linux since 1995, was introduced to debian (the distro ubuntu was based of of) in 2000, and tried ubuntu for the first time last year :) | 11:25 |
| iGotNoTime | has excellent ratings on distrowatch :) | 11:26 |
| iGotNoTime | looks like the hottest distro now | 11:26 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| HedgeMage | I've been really impressed with ubuntu. | 11:26 |
| iGotNoTime | I have tried linux on and off since '97, around '03 started trying it for 6 months at time | 11:27 |
| iGotNoTime | so I think 9 years is enough testing to finally convert LOL | 11:27 |
| HedgeMage | I was (once upon a time) very active in the debian-edu project, but left due to social politics. I'm lurking around edubuntu to get a feel for the community and possibly start contributing. | 11:27 |
| HedgeMage | hehe :) ep | 11:27 |
| HedgeMage | yep even | 11:27 |
| === HedgeMage beats off the typo gnomes with a big stick | ||
| iGotNoTime | I only wish I would have stuck with it more, I know nothing of using CLI | 11:28 |
| iGotNoTime | people get angry when I ask for a GUI | 11:28 |
| iGotNoTime | not here, but Linux gurus in general | 11:28 |
| iGotNoTime | here is very ver friendly community | 11:28 |
| HedgeMage | GUIs can be nice, especially for new users. OTOH, they make it harder to give accurate instructions... for example "type 'iwconfig ath0 essid MyNetwork'" is a lot quicker and easier via irc than "look for an icon on your taskbar that looks like two computer monitors..." followed by four more steps | 11:30 |
| HedgeMage | ubuntu is *very* gui-oriented, so people are more friendly to that sort of thing here | 11:31 |
| HedgeMage | don't ask for a gui in Slackware or Gentoo... they won't want to spend the extra time when they could help four people with CLI in the same time | 11:31 |
| iGotNoTime | yes, I am slowly learning that CLI can be much faster | 11:31 |
| iGotNoTime | it's just a memory thing :( | 11:31 |
| HedgeMage | cheat sheets are your friend :) | 11:31 |
| HedgeMage | My first Linux book, from back in 1995, had a great cheat-sheet in it that I *still* photocopy for people on occassion. | 11:32 |
| iGotNoTime | That is a great idea! | 11:33 |
| iGotNoTime | I never would have thought of the same tools I used @ Uni! | 11:33 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 11:33 |
| iGotNoTime | I am googling some now :) | 11:33 |
| iGotNoTime | thank you | 11:34 |
| HedgeMage | You are most welcome! | 11:34 |
| HedgeMage | I used mine constantly for the first 6 or 8 months, then it began to slowly taper off | 11:34 |
| HedgeMage | (I started with with no GUI at all, so I *had* to learn!) | 11:35 |
| iGotNoTime | hehe | 11:35 |
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