=== HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === mhz listens to Therion.Lemuria/Therion_Typhon === mhz is now known as mhz_food [02:18] is there any Xen work being done by the (ed)(k)ubuntu teams? === ingenioso [i=ircap@200.24.116.90] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-220-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ingenioso [i=ircap@200.24.116.90] has left #edubuntu [] === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_food is now known as mhz_backIn20min === sankar [n=sankarsh@59.92.134.137] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_backIn20min is now known as mhz === sankar is now known as sankarshan === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [07:31] hi ogra [07:32] ogra: what do you think about stories like this: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/03/16/1954251.shtml [07:32] highvoltage: ugh [07:32] Burgundavia: my sentiments exactly :) [07:33] Burgundavia: they had a big thing in the tectonic magazine about how 'cool' automatix is :/ [07:34] silc wrote a similar script [07:34] there is a need [07:34] in fact, the silc script basically did the same thing as automatix === sankar [n=sankarsh@59.92.193.75] has joined #edubuntu === sankar is now known as sankarshan [07:53] highvoltage: ping [07:53] JaneW: pongo [07:54] highvoltage: I am here today btw... in case you have nice shiny stuff to show me :) (or new music for my MP3 player - or what have you... ) [07:54] pongo is an ex collegue of mine :) (named after a gorilla in a joke) [08:01] :) [08:01] JaneW: will you still be here at 13:00? i have a a meeting that's more or less the whole morning [08:05] highvoltage: yes till after 16:00 === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu [08:53] howdy folks [08:55] howdy! === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@33.Red-81-36-151.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankar [n=sankarsh@59.92.151.114] has joined #edubuntu === sankar is now known as sankarshan === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b3e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:03] strange. i've bought my computer from home to work today, and the exact noises that my computer make, makes me feel more at home === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.143.101] has joined #edubuntu [12:45] highvoltage: GEEK === sankar [n=sankarsh@59.92.195.204] has joined #edubuntu [01:12] JaneW: :) === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === sankar [n=sankarsh@59.92.142.0] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:42] thanks highvoltage :) [01:44] what do you guys think of dropping firefox in favor of epiphany ? [01:44] it could probably gain us a lot of space [01:44] JaneW: np [01:44] ogra: i actually considered it yesterday :) [01:45] ogra: er can we do that? [01:45] i'll try to get that running ... [01:45] and should we? [01:45] ogra: i personally think it would be a good idea, although firefox has a huge following [01:45] it goes against ubuntu default [01:45] ogra: it does support flash, JRE, etc, right? [01:45] JaneW, there is no difference in functionallity [01:45] yep [01:45] how much space does it save? === JaneW would have to try epiphany to decide... I like FF tho === ogra doesnt care about ubuntu default if he can probably get 20M free space :) === sankar is now known as sm|away [01:46] the space we'd save is not through dropping firefox, but through dropping the ff translations [01:46] ogra: then drop evolution too, while you're at it :) [01:46] in favor of what ? [01:46] i see no valid replacement ... [01:47] is thunderbird not smaller than evolution? [01:47] highvoltage: NO [01:47] nope [01:47] although that goes against ubuntu again :/ [01:47] you'd lose me as a user [01:47] and waaay bigger on the CD [01:47] ok :) [01:47] the mozilla products all have extra language packages [01:47] most schools i've seen doesn't use an e-mail client [01:47] these eat a lot of space [01:48] they just use web interfaces [01:48] the epiphany translations for example are contained in the gnome language packs anyway [01:49] i'll change the seeds and do some tests the next days to figure what we'd really gain through a switch ... [01:49] if its significant, i'd go for dropping ff [01:49] ogra: i was just talking to jane, could we also replace that folder icon on the edutainment menu to something else? [01:50] sure, i'll have to make some icon theme related stuff anyway to get the logo into the menu [01:50] got an icon for me that fits there ?= [01:50] ogra: yay thanks [01:51] ogra: a school/education related thing would be nice [01:51] ogra: more or less, JaneW made some suggestions, i'll get you one before the end of the weekend === JaneW will look [01:51] i fear we wont be able to change the "about ubuntu" text in the menu [01:51] its not configurable ... [01:51] ogra: we have that chalkboardy pic we can scale down, and jane also suggested an apple [01:51] and probably to late for a patch [01:51] an apple ? [01:52] only if they dont sue us then ;) [01:52] ogra: it looks 'educationally' [01:52] ogra: lol [01:52] ogra: well, there *will* be a PPC version ;) [01:52] heh [01:52] even one for intel macs by the looks of it [01:53] ogra: the default firefox/epiphany page, I think it would be nice if it matched the Edubuntu website with regards to theming [01:53] yep [01:53] ogra: would we be able to do that? it might cost +/- 300KB [01:53] but thats stuff we can still change after apr 20th ... [01:53] there is no hurry for artwork stuff now that the schedule is longe [01:53] nice, so is it definate that the release is postponed? i missed a bit. [01:53] r [01:53] yep [01:54] was decided on wednesday [01:54] highvoltage: this too lame? http://webclipart.about.com/od/special/l/blgrad1.htm [01:54] license ? [01:55] JaneW: the license won't work for us: http://webclipart.about.com/library/weekly/blterms.htm [01:55] blah! :/ [01:55] and we had the discussion about the hat already i think ... [01:56] doing something with the chalkboard would be fine ... === JaneW likes the chalkboard idea [01:58] ogra: what happened to the idea of an edubuntu DVD? [02:00] we have one ... since breezy [02:04] this is a kde icon, i think gpl licensed: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/edu.png === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b24.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === IntangibleLiquid [n=anhhung@58.186.85.47] has joined #edubuntu === IntangibleLiquid [n=anhhung@58.186.85.47] has left #edubuntu [] === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage thinks we could write an irc-bot extention to ogra, that answers whether ltsp has usb device support yet, how to enable sound, etc :) [02:36] lol [02:37] i was thinking about starting to use tomboy and keep a phrase collection for copy paste ;) [02:38] :) [02:39] highvoltage: i like that icon! [02:40] JaneW: kewl [02:40] ogra: sorry... [02:40] highvoltage: the ogra-bot is a good idea +++ [02:41] JaneW: when i get my bandwidth at home back, i'll add the bot to the channel and call it edubuntugirl [02:41] :) === C-O-L-T [n=NONE@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [02:41] heh === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:06] hi all [03:06] just a question, to anyone who can answer [03:06] is there a way top get edubuntu CD's (just like ubuntu) to distribute? [03:07] its planned for dapper to have a limited amount on shipit.ubuntu.com [03:07] but not 100% agreed yet [03:07] in the context of our project : Claroline we organise an event (http://accu.claroline.net) I thought about giving some to the people there [03:07] oh ok ogra [03:08] we dont have it for breezy, sorry ... [03:11] our event is on 22 and 23 of may [03:11] so this is possible with dapper for us [03:11] and even quiet nice, as we would diffuse a recent version [03:12] dapper will release on june 1st ... [03:12] dapper EDUbuntu ? [03:12] dapper [03:12] ok, bad luck for us then [03:12] all dapper variants ... [03:12] i was misconfusing date of release of ubuntu with edubunth [03:13] all? [03:13] yes [03:13] ok the date was changed recently [03:13] yep [03:13] ok [03:13] agreed on on wednesday [03:13] bad luck for us: we could have given this CD to about 100 persons (we hope!) from educationnal contexts [03:14] :( [03:18] I'll ask Mark Shuttleworth to change the date for us, so that we could get the cd's on time :) [03:18] sur he could do that [03:18] guim: good luck wuth that! [03:18] ;-) [03:20] heh [03:30] ogra: s/shipit.ubuntu.com/shipit.edubuntu.org :) [03:30] (from what i've heard) [03:30] really o_O [03:30] WOW [03:33] bye edubuntero's. have a good weekend! [03:33] oh... [03:33] I was about to ask him , what did he mean with shipit.edubuntu.org? is that really planned? [03:33] seems like [03:34] nice [03:34] :) === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === iGotNoTime [n=iGotNoTi@cpe-65-189-240-199.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:16] Hello friends :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === seanh [i=seanh@ukato.freeshell.ORG] has joined #edubuntu [05:11] Hello! Quick question, I'm running Ubuntu, if I install the package edubuntu-desktop, can I then choose between Ubuntu and Edubuntu at login? [05:11] nope [05:11] d'oh! [05:12] edubuntu-desktop makes a edubuntu desktop of your ubuntu-desktop ... [05:12] So I need to install it as a seperate OS, with its own partitions and everything? [05:12] well, good job I asked U suppose [05:13] you *can* install edubuntu-desktop, have a second account and undo the artwork changes for this user ... [05:13] but there is no way to select between ubuntu/edubuntu on login ... edubuntu modifies the system defaults [05:14] ok... so basically edubuntu will bring in a bunch of education-related packages, and will alter system defaults relating to artwork? [05:14] for the -desktop part, yes [05:16] and the server and live packages? [05:16] the live package only contains liveCD specific stuff [05:16] nothing you should install on a running system [05:17] and the -server package depends on the server parts of edubuntu [05:18] What server stuff does edubuntu do? Is it a thin-client thing? [05:18] yep [05:18] ltsp and schooltool ... [05:19] but note that the setup thats done by the edubuntu installer will have to be done manually if you want to use it on top of astandard ubuntu [05:19] Right.... so schooltool is a like a school-wide calendering tool that you can access from anywhere in the school network? === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94ab6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:20] yep [05:20] I was just curious about installing it on my Ubuntu machine to take a look at it, not to actually setup a network with it [05:20] then -desktop is all you want [05:21] Right... except it'll mess with my ubuntu settings, so it might just leave it until I can install Edunbuntu directly somewhere [05:22] i meeses with the system defaults, not your user settings ;) [05:22] Do you know how many people are working on Edubuntu, roughly? Has it been deployed anywhere? I saw photos of a test deployment or something on the website [05:22] and uninstalling edubuntu-artwork and edubuntu-artwork-usplash will revert the settings changes [05:22] Oh I see, so my current user will be untouched, that might be okay [05:23] there is a bunch of people working on edubuntu, distro develpment is mainly done by me ... [05:25] and it has sponsorship from Ubuntu? [05:25] yep [05:25] rather from canonical ... [05:26] and there are several running setups of edubuntu in schools out there already ... [05:26] (to answer the deployment question :) ) [05:27] How has the feedback from schools been? [05:27] where we get it, its mostly positive ... [05:28] Where in the world has it been deployed? I guess it's mostly places that want to use cheap hardware and free software? [05:31] we have users in curacao, vanuatu, tuvalu, tobago, chile, the netherlands, brazil and germany that i know of ... [05:31] oh, and norway, spain i forgot ... [05:31] and indeed the uk [05:32] the UK? Huh. That's where I am. Interesting. [05:32] i'm not really aware of the french community, they have theor own forums and mailing lists [05:33] The French community? [05:33] yeah, there is a edubuntu-fr team ... [05:34] they did a derivative of the ubuntu liveCD with edubuntu-desktop and some extra software on top [05:35] ok [05:36] I might be interested in developing on/for edubuntu. I'm in the first year of a PhD in there area of Advanced Interactive Learning Environments. So far I'm supposed to be doing something to do with interactive educational stories, specifically with immersive navigable environments, like a 3D game, network multiplayer roleplay [05:37] cool [05:37] I'm at the stage of putting together a proposal for my project... it'd be cool if I could make it something that would be useful to edubuntu [05:38] absolutely :) [05:40] Well.... I mean, I have written quite a lot of stuff, been at it for over 6 months, but I'm still totally thrashing around trying to find something that I really want to do. It'd be good I think to coordinate a bit with edubuntu people, so I can actually create my project to fill some need edubuntu has or to be useful for edubuntu [05:41] start by subscribing to the edubuntu-devel mailing list ;) [05:41] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [05:42] there are users, teachers and developers that can probably help you finding out whats required [05:42] Ok [05:43] So far I have been looking at doing something with FLOSS 3D games technology and storytelling, i.e. immersive, interactive 3D stories, I don't see any 3D games being considered for edubuntu yet though, and I could be amenable to moving away from that [05:44] the thing is that our main target is a ltsp classroom server, running GL apps ofer ltsp is painful ... [05:44] *over [05:45] thats why we dont have many GL things in the default install [05:45] right... I can imagine [05:45] (nou need direct hardware access for the app to get all advantages out of GL) [05:45] *you [05:46] So with ltsp... do the client machines even have hard drives? Are they actually running edubuntu? Or are they simply passing input to the server, receiving output, and displaying it? [05:46] the lattre [05:46] no harddrives ... [05:47] ogra I have an semi-advanced question :) [05:47] I want to see my TOP on my dedicated boxes [05:47] but.... [05:47] they are booting from the net, start an x server and a loginmanager ... the loginmanager then logs you in to a desktop session on the server [05:47] can I see those stats as a graphical chart in any way form my home? [05:47] maybe a widget or something can do that? [05:48] not trying to interrupt, any reply is fine at any time :) [05:48] iGotNoTime, not yet ... but that would be a good add on feature for student-control-panel ... [05:48] Right, so the login manager and X Server run on the clients, the session and any apps launched etc. run on the server [05:48] yep [05:49] ogra where do I post suggestion? [05:49] the clients are just like display/keayboard/mouse anhancers of the server [05:49] ubuntu forum? [05:49] iGotNoTime, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet [05:51] Is it one server per school? One server per classroom? Depends on the situation? [05:51] the latter ... [05:52] It seems if you had any OpenGL app, it'd need to run on the server, and you'd want a fast machine. But 3D games can be useful in education, so you'd want to support that [05:52] no, you need to run it on the client [05:52] the app will need direct access to the graphics hardware [05:53] ok now more technical question now.... again no rush on reply :) [05:53] I want to edit a user's group, and I open group and find the user it says : joshua:x:1000: [05:54] I know root is not suggested and I am not going to do just want the knowledge [05:54] dont use an editor to work on such files [05:54] use either the gui or commandline tools for it ... [05:54] all I would have to do is change it to joshua:x:1000:root correct? [05:54] yes using nano I mean [05:54] I am trying to work on my dedicated box now ;) [05:55] I want the user to have full access to all files via SFTP using a windows ftp client [05:55] the superuser group is "admin" in ubuntu ... [05:55] (the user with uid 1000 is in there by default) [05:55] but I mean adding the group name at the end is sufficient? [05:56] yep [05:56] but dont use an editor [05:56] so on the dedicated box joshua:x:1000:ftp would then allow that user to login with FTP? [05:56] adduser joshus ftp [05:56] joshua [05:56] wow :) [05:56] CLI is getting easier everyday :) [05:57] i think vsftp leats users in that can log in anyway, no need for an extra group [05:57] WS_FTP gives the SFTP option, but they need to be in a proper usergroup for the chmod rights [05:58] that is why I am interested in how to edit the user's groups [05:58] ogra, thanks for the help again :) [05:58] :) [05:58] ogra, what country are you in? [05:58] germany [05:58] :) [05:59] HOw come edubuntu-desktop depends on pyopengl? [05:59] it depends on nearly every python dependency we have ... [05:59] thats inherited from ubuntu [06:00] the python stuff doesnt take much space [06:00] ubuntu doesn't depend on python-opengl though. Maybe one of the edubuntu games uses it [06:00] and python is our committed development language [06:01] might be a dep of pygame or so === ogra needs to walk the dog ... [06:01] brb [06:01] So... if I install edubuntu-desktop right now, my user will be untouched (except for a pile of apps added to the menu), but when I create a new user I will get an edubuntu user? Then I can create ubuntu users again if I remove edubuntu-art and -usplash? === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:35] Seveas: ? [06:35] C-O-L-T-AWAY, ? [06:36] Seveas: If I install dapper flight 5 I will be able to update to the final release? [06:36] sure [06:36] just regularly apt-get upgrade [06:36] Seveas: ok, and how stable is flight 5? [06:36] very [06:37] Seveas: for everyday use like internet, music, chat is it ok? [06:37] yeah, I use it for much more than that [06:38] Seveas: cool, and contains gnome 2.14 right? [06:38] yup === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.160.18] has joined #edubuntu [06:39] Seveas: really cool. Thanks for the info. I am downloading flight 5 that is why I am asking these things [06:40] Seveas: thanks again [06:40] np [06:43] usergroups is to Group as users is to ? [06:43] fill in the blank :) [06:43] I want to see all the users not the groups [06:48] ok another good question :) I logged the new user into FTP... [06:48] he is in the proper groups [06:48] but the folder he needs access to has a different user that owns [06:48] same group though [06:48] I want this one user to have access to all domains for FTP uploading [06:48] the problem is all domains have different user names but in the same FTP group [06:49] any suggestions? === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084DA56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === mikearthur [i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [06:58] man [06:58] I'm tempted to just break into the school I was doing experience in today and install edubuntu on all the machines === runaway [n=runaway@207-118-201-53.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #edubuntu === GR8WENT [n=runaway@69-179-20-161.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === HedgeMage [n=me@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === colforbins [n=runaway@207-118-204-101.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:45] wanna be tempted more mikearthur ? look at the screenshot of the teachers computer http://www.redianet.com/img/pantallazo2.gif [07:47] thats not edubuntu [07:48] its a suggestion for teachers pet ... [07:50] OHHHHHHH!!!! [07:50] MY BAD [07:50] I am so sorry for misleading [07:51] I thought that was a package for edubuntu :) [07:51] i don't think anyone was mislead, that was clearly a windows screenshot ;) [07:51] * ducks back embarassed [07:53] :) === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T-AWAY [n=NONE@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084DA56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === GR8WENT [n=runaway@207-118-217-1.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] hope nobody has technical question :( [11:04] LOL === HedgeMage tries to think of a difficult technical question for iGotNoTime :P [11:10] Ohhh god no LOL [11:10] sorry girl didn't see your name :) You are plenty capable :) [11:10] I only noticed that ogra and highvoltage were both gone :) [11:10] they are the one's who answer my noob questions :P [11:18] I'm just being a smart aleck :) === C-O-L-T-AWAY [n=NONE@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [11:19] :) [11:19] me too :) [11:23] how is your day going? [11:23] excellent :) [11:23] learning soooo much [11:24] I only have Linux now because it is easier to SSH into our dediacted server. SQL editing is easier than in XP too. But now I am starting to really enjoy the OS more than XP! [11:24] so finding this out today, I just feel happy that ogra convinced me to install :) [11:24] how long have you run this? [11:25] I've been using Linux since 1995, was introduced to debian (the distro ubuntu was based of of) in 2000, and tried ubuntu for the first time last year :) [11:26] has excellent ratings on distrowatch :) [11:26] looks like the hottest distro now === HedgeMage nods [11:26] I've been really impressed with ubuntu. [11:27] I have tried linux on and off since '97, around '03 started trying it for 6 months at time [11:27] so I think 9 years is enough testing to finally convert LOL [11:27] I was (once upon a time) very active in the debian-edu project, but left due to social politics. I'm lurking around edubuntu to get a feel for the community and possibly start contributing. [11:27] hehe :) ep [11:27] yep even === HedgeMage beats off the typo gnomes with a big stick [11:28] I only wish I would have stuck with it more, I know nothing of using CLI [11:28] people get angry when I ask for a GUI [11:28] not here, but Linux gurus in general [11:28] here is very ver friendly community [11:30] GUIs can be nice, especially for new users. OTOH, they make it harder to give accurate instructions... for example "type 'iwconfig ath0 essid MyNetwork'" is a lot quicker and easier via irc than "look for an icon on your taskbar that looks like two computer monitors..." followed by four more steps [11:31] ubuntu is *very* gui-oriented, so people are more friendly to that sort of thing here [11:31] don't ask for a gui in Slackware or Gentoo... they won't want to spend the extra time when they could help four people with CLI in the same time [11:31] yes, I am slowly learning that CLI can be much faster [11:31] it's just a memory thing :( [11:31] cheat sheets are your friend :) [11:32] My first Linux book, from back in 1995, had a great cheat-sheet in it that I *still* photocopy for people on occassion. [11:33] That is a great idea! [11:33] I never would have thought of the same tools I used @ Uni! [11:33] :) [11:33] I am googling some now :) [11:34] thank you [11:34] You are most welcome! [11:34] I used mine constantly for the first 6 or 8 months, then it began to slowly taper off [11:35] (I started with with no GUI at all, so I *had* to learn!) [11:35] hehe === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@200.14.64.192] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=icechat5@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu