=== toma is now known as toma_ === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:25] networkmanager packagase are now available: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=832212 [01:25] They just work on my ipw2200 (with latest driver) [01:25] (just in case if somebody else would like to play with it) === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas [n=sebas@leviathan.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i53870D70.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i53870D70.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.26] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.42] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Erlang [i=neumann@toronto-HSE-ppp4000837.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:11] hello, anyone running Dapper having a bit of time to test something with me? [05:12] Erlang: which one [05:14] bug 34983. I need somebody to confirm my system isn't is a silly state. [05:14] malone bug 34983 in arts "arts cannot work with esd" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34983 [05:18] Erlang: can reproduce [05:20] woo! -_- [05:20] been hunting that one all evening... I'm pumped... must relax. [05:22] ty freeflying [05:23] Erlang: heh === Erlang [i=neumann@toronto-HSE-ppp4000837.sympatico.ca] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:39] am i correct in thinking bug #28331 can be closed as we are beyond that? [06:39] malone bug 28331 in k3b "k3b: new changes from Debian require merging" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/28331 [06:40] seaLne: i'd assume so, yes [07:07] is /sbin supposed to be in a users path? i don't think so? Bug #35131 [07:07] malone bug 35131 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Dapper Flight CD5: KWifiManager not found iwlist" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35131 [07:18] adept is scaring me [07:18] what does (break) upgrade mean [07:20] wher? [07:20] where? === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] robotgeek: means that some packages will break, or be added? === Hobbsee doesnt trust adept [07:21] seaLne: i opened up adept (dapper) and it said kdebase (break) upgrade [07:22] okay, it doesn't distupgrade kdebase , so i assume that adept knows what it is telling you [07:30] ah, not seen that [07:51] robotgeek: what's scary about adept? :) [07:51] Hobbsee: ... [07:51] Hobbsee: i don't trust it either :-)) [07:51] mornfall: it said break in red :) [07:52] mornfall: hehe - i just dont like seeing exactly what it's going to add/remove/break [07:52] robotgeek: that's when package would break by the selected actions [07:52] if it says "break", then i darn well want to know if it's going to break, aka remove all of kde, or just break by removing an obsolete package [07:52] mornfall: maybe BREAK needs to be in caps :) [07:52] robotgeek: isn't it? [07:52] robotgeek: i thought i made it so [07:52] it's also bright red [07:52] fairly hard to miss [07:53] yes. now i know [07:53] i think apply will also not work [07:53] luckily i said "okay, don't break my system" [07:54] robotgeek: i don't think it would let you... but i'm not sure either ;-) [07:55] mornfall: cool, i'll try it on someone else's computer :) === liwo [n=joerg@p54BA7FE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === liwo [n=joerg@p54BA7FE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:20] --> office [08:20] laters === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:09] grr lost my place in bugs list when konq crashed :( === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] moin [10:23] Tm_T: hi === Hobbsee has just discovered that there is scripting in konversation :D [10:25] eh? [10:25] you didn't knew it before? [10:26] what would you call the menu bar down the side of kontact with the component icons? [10:27] complicated [10:27] seaLne: wait [10:27] sorry, i need coffee [10:27] Tm_T: nope [10:28] seaLne: component menu [10:28] ta [10:28] seaLne: or component sidebar [10:29] if that's what you're looking for === luka74 is now known as Lure [11:14] what package should installer related stuff be assigned to? [11:18] seaLne: BTW - good work on bugs [11:25] seaLne, frontend or backend ? [11:26] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/32543 for example [11:26] malone bug 32543 in kubuntu-meta kubuntu-live "Dapper F4 - Wrong cd ejects upon shutdown" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:09] ack. found another bug. [12:10] seaLne: debian-installer? [12:10] nope, not reproducable. good :) [12:27] anyone has feedback for my fix on k3b ? [12:28] (just to be sure it works fine for everyone) [12:30] raphink: seen that the zeroconf issue been fixed ? :) [12:31] ubijtsa2: could you test if you get k3bsetup working in k3b ? [12:31] going to advanced config [12:35] raphink: one mom [12:36] it asks for password, then it chews cpu for a bit, then nothing [12:37] I am up2date as of utc0730 today [12:38] ubijtsa2: yes i've got only one mom too [12:38] raphink: *lol* [12:39] raphink: k3bsetup don't work is the answer [12:41] :( [12:41] weird [12:41] I don't get it [12:41] kcmshell is a mess [12:42] I still don't get how to tell it to refresh te modules [12:42] or how it gets the modules [12:42] ubijtsa2: are you up-to-date with today's version? [12:44] yes [12:44] I just ran an update, and there were no k3b fixes in there [12:44] hmm [12:44] so you have ubuntu3 ? [12:45] of k3b ? [12:45] 0.12.14-0ubuntu3 [12:45] same for the lib [12:45] ok [12:46] raphink: have you seen note from mbiebl in KubuntuPowersave about libsysfs.la? [12:46] yes but haven't read yet [12:46] I plan to try this in the evening (busy-work-day currently) [12:48] seems there is something I missed with k3bsetup [12:49] it seems having the desktop file in /usr/share/applnk/Settings/System doesn't work [12:49] it has to be in /usr/share/applications/kde [12:49] only [12:50] ok, weekend off, see you all in 56h -> [12:51] bye Tm_T [12:52] Riddell: do you know a command to refresh the modules list for kcmshell? [12:53] kbuildsycoca? [12:53] hmm [12:53] doesn't seem to work [12:54] hmmm [12:54] ok thanks Riddell I'll try [12:58] ok Riddell seems the X-KDE-settings-something is mandatory to have the module work with kcmshell :( [12:58] really? that's curious [01:00] yes it is [01:00] when I remove it it doesn't work [01:00] :( [01:00] I've been testing for a few hours now [01:00] activating things, movingthings around [01:00] and this seems to be the factor that activates it or not [01:03] hmm yes, I confirm [01:03] so add back that X-KDE-settings foo and we'll edit systemsettings' menu to not show it [01:07] well I'm trying that [01:07] trying to figure out how to remove it from systemsettings [01:07] oonce it's set [01:07] so playing around with the X-KDE-settings-* foo [01:07] use an I think it is [01:07] yes that's what I did [01:09] where should it go (apart from deactivating it) ? [01:10] maybe in hardware [01:10] what do you think? [01:11] well where does it appear? [01:11] \ [01:11] -+ [01:11] add the Exclude to that surely [01:12] it appears where I want it to appear ;) [01:12] if I use X-KDE-settings-system then it appears in System [01:12] taht's what I used at first [01:16] bah, Exclude doesn't want to work [01:17] indeed [01:17] i've been fighting with it [01:17] this system is a mess :( [01:17] an option might be to keep k3bsetup in systemsettings [01:17] but not in the root [01:17] to put it somewhere deep inside ;) [01:18] although I don't see how actually [01:19] hmmm === raphink is gonna take a shower and think about it [01:58] seaLne: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/35125 is no a kubuntu bug, probably debian-installer is a good place for it [01:58] malone bug 35125 in kubuntu-meta "Dap. F5: lvm forces reboot" [Major,Unconfirmed] [02:03] hmmm..? === ubijtsa2 thought he'd be able to confirm/deny 35125, but he has no kit to test that one [02:05] normal install with lvm works as intended though in F5, tested that this morning === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:31] Riddell: what do I do with k3bsetup ? [02:31] i.e. what is worse ? having it in systemsettings or not having it at all ? [02:32] hehe [02:33] there must be a way to get system settings to ignore it [02:33] the XDG menu stuff is spooky voodoo [02:34] hehe [02:34] well the Exclude section doesn't work atm [02:34] I'd be fine to revert my change so k3bsetup works, then add k3bsetup2.desktop to the Exclude and then "all" we have to do is fix this ;) [02:36] what do you think Riddell? [02:37] fix change to k3bsetup [02:37] then we'll worry about system settings [02:38] ok [02:38] so I just revert to yesterday's patch [02:38] lol [02:38] or shall I put it in another section while I'm there? [02:38] I wonder if there can't be an invisible section ... [02:38] like a section that exists for kcmshell [02:38] but is not used by systemsettings [02:39] but for example the theme manager is excluded without problems [02:39] let me see [02:40] you're not going mad, I did try to add it to exluces and it didn't work for me either [02:40] yes I know [02:41] do you think it might be because the desktop file is not in /usr/share/applications/kde like the other ones? [02:41] that's possible [02:41] I really doubt so, but well this is so weird that I just wonder [02:41] I'll try that [02:42] hmm [02:42] doesn't seem to work === faked [n=faked@83-65-236-191.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:45] Riddell: my guess is that this systemsettings.menu doesn't control the settings... [02:45] I've tried to modify it somehow [02:45] likke for example [02:46] add userconfig.desktop to the Accessibility menu section [02:46] just to see if it would add the userconfig module [02:46] and it doesn't [02:46] I got it to do something by moving the system category into the hardware menu [02:46] that moves all the system ones [02:47] hmmm [02:47] let's see [02:48] ok [02:48] now what seems to not work are the Filename tags [02:49] who was it in the meeting yesterday that was going to help on flight wiki entries? [02:50] jjesse: bkjones [02:51] there Riddell!! [02:51] got it [02:51] it's not the exact filename that it wants [02:51] it wants kde-k3bsetup2.desktop instead of k3bsetup.desktop [02:52] you just have to add k3b- before it [02:52] as for the kvaio and others [02:52] so just kde-k3bsetup2.desktop in the system section exlude and it works :) [02:53] Riddell: can you confirm ? I'll apply these changes if you confirm === seaLne finishes going through all unassigned bugs and decides to switch to windows as kubuntu is too buggy :) [02:54] yes, confirmed [02:54] how insane [02:54] seaLne: bah [02:54] seaLne: but thanks a lot :) [02:54] Riddell: ok so I'll apply the changes to k3b and systemsettings is that ok? [02:54] raphink: yes please === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] ok :) === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-64-134.mnet-online.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] Hi could anybody help me integrating the documentation of update-manager into the KDE? [03:05] glatzor: what documentation is that? [03:05] I would like to start khelpcenter with the ghelp uri of the manual. [03:05] Riddell: everything should work now :) [03:06] Riddell: it is a normal xml documentation registered in scrollkeeper [03:08] afternoon people [03:08] glatzor: that's a general question of how to integrate gnome help stuff into khelpcentre, I don't know if that's possible [03:09] the Swedish KDE translations were done but there's only a single translator in the team [03:09] Riddell: khelpcenter does support scrollkeeper and the documentation can be accessed using the treeview of khelpcenter [03:09] nlindblad: in KDE SVN? [03:10] Riddell: hang on [03:10] but I don't know the correct URI to open the corresponding document in khelpcenter [03:10] http://i18n.kde.org/teams/infos.php?teamcode=sv [03:10] khelpcenter ghelp:update-manager does not work. [03:11] Riddell: if i use ghelp:FULLPATH the formatings of the document are not respected [03:11] Riddell: From that page: "Last update: 2004/02/27 23:41:36" [03:11] http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk/sv/ how embarracing, that's better than en_GB [03:12] Riddell: Kubuntu makes use of update-manager? I haven't used kubuntu yet [03:12] Riddell: could that dating be correct? [03:12] Riddell: or is it the SVN dates I should look at? [03:12] nlindblad: yes, it just means the team details havn't changed since then [03:13] glatzor: interesting [03:13] Riddell: I am searching a solution for this for years now. :) [03:13] Riddell: okey [03:13] glatzor: we have our own updating tool [03:13] Riddell: doesn't look like he'd need the help [03:13] Riddell: I once tried to do the same for synaptic. [03:14] Riddell: so kbuntu would no be bothered by update-manager using gnome-vfs or a even deeper update-manager integration in the gnome-desktop? [03:15] glatzor: we use adept and adet-updater to keep thngs updated [03:16] hmm? [03:16] what's with synaptic [03:16] ghelp:/usr/share/gnome/help/synaptic/C/synaptic.xml should be the path [03:17] glatzor: no, that wouldn't be a problem [03:17] mornfall: i would like to show the help of update-manager or synaptic in the khelpcenter [03:17] aha [03:17] not my domain [03:17] glatzor: well synaptic works for me [03:17] mornfall: mine, too :) [03:18] Riddell: synaptic includes a html version of the help [03:18] aah [03:18] this was a workaround [03:18] Riddell: but all translators might not be in that list, right? Since the coordinator does the actual commiting to SVN [03:19] glatzor: well maybe that's just what needs done [03:19] glatzor: I don't really know how the ghelp ioslave works [03:20] possibly someone in #kde-docs knows but I suspect not [03:20] probably only cornelius or whoever wrote it knows [03:20] help systems are spooky voodoo. a bit liek XDG menus :) === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62958.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:22] how come the progress on the Swedish an Danish translations are so good compared to other translations? [04:23] even en_GB! (as stated before) [04:23] someone cared [04:23] seaLne: still a few apps not translated [04:23] like Adept === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:23] hmm [04:23] amaroK too [04:24] adept shouldn't be too hard to translate [04:24] it would also help to have it translated to get reports of what's missing i18n() markers ;) [04:26] Bug #1869 dosen't sound logical [04:26] malone bug 1869 in kubuntu-meta "Cannot mount an existing partition" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1869 [04:26] nlindblad: if you did want to translate adept that would be handy [04:27] seaLne: ask him for the command he's using to mount with and the exact error message [04:27] output of sudo fdisk -l would also be useful [04:27] yeah was going [04:42] mornfall: i spent a large amount of time while i was watching the NCAA basketball tournment working on the adept guide. hopefully i'll have a draft rewrite done by the ned of the weekend === bkjones [n=bkj@targe.CS.Princeton.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] hi all. [04:44] jjesse: cool... is the work somewhere online? (if no, let me know when it is so i can skim through it) [04:44] I'm curious as to whether there's a GUI utility that comes with [k] ubuntu that will let me tell my machine to use LDAP (or any other mech) for authentication? [04:44] mornfall: not yet, there is an old version in the doc team svn so i'm working on changing all of it, ill let you know when it is online [04:45] jjesse: okey, thanks === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:54] bkjones: unfortunatly not that i know of atm [04:55] thanks, seaLne [04:56] you should be able to find some online guides to doing this manually tho [04:56] I know how to do it manually - just thought it'd be nice to have. :) [04:56] ah [04:56] ...and quicker... and less error-prone [04:57] I'd like to be able to tell my users "just click here and fill this in and your linux box can use the LDAP server too" [04:57] yeah it would be a nice option to have in the installer like solaris does [04:57] yeah, in the installer would be good too. [04:58] I think I'd rather have it available separate from the installer though. === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D42D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:58] or in addition to., [04:59] in addition would definitly be good [04:59] it would be quite complex to do tho [04:59] I don't see why (at least as a standalone app) [04:59] I'm not a coder, but I've written lots of perl/LDAP code. LDAP coding isn't hard. [05:01] hm. I guess this is what drove windows toward a registry... tough to reliably make config changes to plain text files. [05:01] ...Not that it helped them much... [05:02] but in this case, the files would be overwritten, kinda like printcap is in some distros (all distros?) [05:03] maybe this is a good first project for me to hone my coding skillz. I've never written a standalone gui app that I can remember. === bkjones is a sysadmin [05:04] being a sysadmin is not illness [05:04] :-) === mornfall still does sysadmin jobs here and there sometimes -- used to do a lot of admining === seaLne is a sysadmin aswell :) [05:04] :) [05:06] --> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596100825/sr=8-1/qid=1142611534/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2753700-5752003?%5Fencoding=UTF8 === bkjones writes a little, too. ;-) [05:07] bkjones: nice :-) [05:07] i like the cover [05:07] thanks. I didn't design it, but still :-) [05:08] does vimpart no longer exist (#4771)? [05:08] seaLne: vimpart was always broken [05:09] i'm not surprized if someone decided to make an end to it [05:09] i have vimpart on sarge but not dapper [05:09] seaLne: try kyzis instead [05:09] its a bug, not me wanting to use it [05:10] seaLne: tell the reporter to try kyzis instead (but i don't think it's packaged) [05:10] it's not in debian even [05:11] (consult yzis.org) === mornfall points out http://www.yzis.org/screenshots/kdevelop1.jpg/image_view_fullscreen [05:13] mornfall: i compiled it yesterday [05:13] robotgeek: how is it in practice? [05:13] i'd hope better than vimpart [05:14] mornfall: i was basically hoping for kmail integration, but kmail does not support qtexteditor. [05:14] i will try kdevelop later [05:14] robotgeek: oh, no news, that [05:14] robotgeek: there was a patch floating around for that [05:14] ages ago [05:15] it probably doesn't work anymore [05:15] mornfall: patch for kmail? [05:15] robotgeek: yes [05:15] sweet [05:16] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59481 [05:18] <30 seconds remaining :-)) === mornfall looks [05:18] err [05:18] damn wrong window [05:19] anyone else see issues with mplayer, xine, vlc, etc after one of the recent libgcc upgrades in dapper? [05:19] I get segfaults, and the strace output seems to point to libgcc. [05:21] laters === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034223251.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime_ is preparing to a release a new version of guidance, featuring a heap of bug fixes. [05:54] hello Parkotron [05:54] _Sime_: great [05:55] Hello Riddell. [05:57] <_Sime_> Riddell: there are still outstanding bugs, but the changelog is getting quite long. I think it is time enough to get it out and get some more testing. (and closing out some bug reports) [06:03] _Sime_: Guidance is great stuff. Disk and Filesystems makes it so much easier to help newbs find and configure their partitions. Keep up the good work. === toma_ is now known as toma [06:11] <_Sime_> Parkotron: thanks! [06:12] <_Sime_> Riddell: BTW, on the new kdm theme, it is unclear what the little triangle button (bottom right) does. [06:12] <_Sime_> Riddell: I honestly expected a drop down menu for some reason. [06:13] _Sime_: Are there plans to add a Guidance module for X configuration? I realise that's no small order, but that does seem to fit in with Guidances goals. === Riddell thinks Parkotron may be in luck [06:14] _Sime_: I wonder if we should move that to be in line with the text fields [06:16] Riddell: Really? That'd be super. "I can't set my resolution above 1024x768 even though my monitor supports ####x#### in Windows" is without a doubt the most common beginner question I see on IRC. [06:17] Parkotron: have your tried dapper? [06:18] Riddell: Somewhat. But I haven't updated it for a while. [06:18] <_Sime_> Riddell: putting the triangle up with the input fields would be better, yes. [06:18] Riddell: Is it there and I just haven't noticed? [06:19] Parkotron: system settings -> hardware -> display if display has a purple X on it that's the new one [06:19] <_Sime_> it's like a treasure hunt now, isn't it. :) [06:19] <_Sime_> Riddell!!! [06:19] _Sime_: huh? [06:20] <_Sime_> Riddell: you're wreaking the surprise for Parkotron ;) [06:21] Well I'm going to have to reboot to check it out. Thanks for the info. Oh and thanks the hard work. [06:21] oops :) [06:25] <_Sime_> when does the syslogd startup? [06:26] one of the first services at boot time. [06:26] <_Sime_> 'coz' when displayconfig-hwprobe.py runs and changes stuff, it logs it with syslog (INFO), but I can never find it in the /var/log === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034223251.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:28] well, cat /etc/syslog.conf and grep for "info" and see where it goes. [06:29] scratch that. [06:29] open it and see, because it might be included with a "*" argument :) [06:30] also, there have been apps known to log to 'info', but still only log errors unless in debug mode, so be wary ;-) [06:33] <_Sime_> :-/ ... it appears to work ok, I just don't see messages... [06:33] Riddell: I just booted into Dapper, but unfortunately the Display module won't load. [06:33] then how can you say it's working ok? [06:33] lol [06:33] oh, you mean the app [06:34] well, run the app from a command line, or run it in strace and see what's going on. [06:34] <_Sime_> Parkotron: probably my fault... [06:34] I hadn't install all of kubuntu-desktop, so I'm doing that now to make sure that isn't the problem. [06:34] you might also try running 'ls -lrt /var/log' right after you start it. [06:34] maybe it's not writing where you think. [06:34] Parkotron: try upgrading to the latest version of kde-guidance [06:34] <_Sime_> Parkotron: try again next week. :-/ [06:35] what app is that, _Sime_? [06:35] <_Sime_> I'll fixed quite a lot of bugs in displayconfig, but they are not yet released. [06:35] <_Sime_> bkjones: the display kcontrol module [06:36] _Sime_: Well, Synaptic is chugging away yet, so I might be able to get the old version working. [06:36] Wait! I'm I allowed to mention Synaptic here? [06:37] _Sime_: I don't get any messages either. [06:38] 'cept in Xorg.0.log [06:38] <_Sime_> Parkotron: it is called adept on this channel === bkjones uses synaptic for new installs and adept for updates. [06:39] <_Sime_> bkjones: I changed displayconfig-hwprobe.py to log at level WARNING, and also to say some when it ran, but still nothing appearred after booting. [06:39] I really don't like adept for looking for software. [06:40] bah [06:40] what don't you lik [06:40] e [06:41] and which version you have [06:41] oh good lord. Let's not get religious. I just don't like it [06:41] ;-) [06:41] oh good lord, i want to know what you don't like [06:41] i'm not religious, i wrote it [06:42] hi all [06:42] rofl. Holy crap - sorry mornfall [06:42] no problem, just tell me what you don't like and all's fine :-) [06:43] ok, one sec === bkjones launches adept again [06:43] well, let's start with version -- if it's not last dapper, then feedback probably won't help much :) [06:43] lots of changes [06:43] since breezy [06:44] it's version 1.90 Conquest Beta 1 [06:44] right [06:44] that's dapper [06:44] right [06:45] so I guess I'm not coming from a hardcore debian background, so I have no idea what tags are. [06:45] I don't know if tags are a debian thing or what. [06:45] tags are tags [06:45] tag is a label attached to a package [06:45] I don't feel this interface is as clean as synaptic for my taste. I don't need all these check boxes and stuff. At least I don't think I do. [06:45] drag one and drop it to tags i want [06:46] but I don't know what tags I want. [06:46] Oh wait! === bkjones just noticed this little window on the right side. [06:46] ..... [06:46] so tags look like what synaptic calls "sections"? [06:46] but more verbose. [06:47] no, that's not right. [06:47] it's fairly different from sections [06:47] here you say what kinds of software you are looking for (and what you are not looking for) [06:47] yeah, I don't get it. I want that out of my face. Of course, that's just me. Hope you don't mind my opining. [06:48] that's what the checkboxes appear to be for, though. [06:48] the checkboxes are different view of the software -- if it is installed/notinstalled etc [06:48] like, you are looking for a text editor [06:48] you want it to work under x11 [06:49] so you select interface->x11 [06:49] drop to tags i want [06:49]