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| Seveas | check the topi | 12:22 |
| Seveas | c | 12:22 |
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| robitaille | @reload webcal | 05:01 |
| robitaille | @reload topic | 05:01 |
| robitaille | @topic | 05:01 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Mar 21:00 UTC: Documentation Team | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 29 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 02:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | ||
| === robitaille hugs ubugtu | ||
| robitaille | @schedule US/Pacific | 05:02 |
| Ubugtu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Mar 13:00: Documentation Team | 22 Mar 04:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 12:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 12:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 04:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 18:00: Dapper Development Status | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | robitaille: interesting, what timezone formats does it recognise? | 05:04 |
| robitaille | I'm not sure. I was looking at logs from the channel a few hours ago when Seveas was playing with it | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | @schedule NZDT | 05:05 |
| robitaille | @schedule Jamaica | 05:05 |
| Ubugtu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Mar 16:00: Documentation Team | 22 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 15:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 15:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 21:00: Dapper Development Status | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | I guess not | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | @schedule Pacific/Auckland | 05:06 |
| Ubugtu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Mar 10:00: Documentation Team | 23 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 24 Mar 08:00: Dapper Development Status | 29 Mar 08:00: Technical Board | 30 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 14:00: Dapper Development Status | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | that's better | 05:06 |
| robitaille | I wonder if it loads the fridge schedule automatically, or we have to do it manually | 05:06 |
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| Seveas | ajmitch, all official timezones | 08:55 |
| === ubijtsa prefers times to be quoted in UTC if more than one country is involved.. | ||
| ubijtsa | removes confusion over stoopid summertime as well | 08:57 |
| Seveas | ubijtsa, that's why the topic is in UTC | 08:57 |
| ubijtsa | yup | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | Seveas: I was curious since I'd say that NZDT/NZST is official :) | 08:58 |
| Seveas | it's probably not the official abbreviation | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | it is afaik | 09:00 |
| Seveas | @schedule NZ | 09:00 |
| Ubugtu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Mar 10:00: Documentation Team | 23 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 24 Mar 08:00: Dapper Development Status | 29 Mar 08:00: Technical Board | 30 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 14:00: Dapper Development Status | 09:00 |
| ajmitch | Fri Mar 17 21:00:56 NZDT 2006 | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | 'date' gives me that | 09:01 |
| Seveas | hmm | 09:01 |
| Seveas | Pacific/Auckland | 09:01 |
| ajmitch | that worked, I tried it earlier | 09:01 |
| robitaille | Seveas: does your bot check the fridge automatically, or we have to poke at it after we upgrade the calendar? | 09:08 |
| Seveas | it updates it's meeting cache every 60 minutes | 09:08 |
| Seveas | and every minute it checks whether the topic has to be changed | 09:09 |
| robitaille | impressive | 09:09 |
| Seveas | not at all | 09:09 |
| robitaille | we have been replaced by a machine :) | 09:09 |
| Seveas | pytz and ical libs were found online, all I had to do was glue the bits together | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | Seveas: it seems happy to ignore my private requests | 09:11 |
| Seveas | not for me (I just reloaded the module which went wrong the first time, you may have been just at the wrong time) | 09:11 |
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| Zerlinna | Hi there, can someone tell me if the decision about the delay of dapper has already been taken officially? | 12:15 |
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| mvo | Zerlinna: it is | 12:17 |
| Zerlinna | mvo: great, is there any site with an official announcement? | 12:17 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule | 12:18 |
| Seveas | Zerlinna, no there is no official announcement ye | 12:19 |
| Seveas | t | 12:19 |
| Zerlinna | Seveas: thank you.. because in Germany everybody is already spreading that there would be! | 12:19 |
| juliux | Seveas, see www.golem.de | 12:19 |
| Seveas | I know - they should hurry up with the announcement | 12:19 |
| Seveas | rumours spread insanely fast | 12:19 |
| mvo | Zerlinna: there will be a anouncement soon | 12:20 |
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| amu | moin junks | 12:21 |
| Zerlinna | Seveas: so should we stop them from spreading this or just wait to the real official announcement? | 12:21 |
| amu | & maedels :) | 12:21 |
| Seveas | just tell them to wait | 12:22 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, heise know that they have to wait | 12:22 |
| juliux | but i dont know why golem dont wait | 12:22 |
| Zerlinna | juliux: they just point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDelayMeetingSummary and it is clearly indicatet that this is NOT an off. ann. | 12:23 |
| Zerlinna | Seveas: ok so I'll send some emails | 12:23 |
| Seveas | Zerlinna, please don't | 12:23 |
| === amu remembers to the security warning, this posting was also too fast | ||
| Seveas | don't link to unofficial business | 12:24 |
| Seveas | just point them to DapperDelayMeetingSummary and tell them to wait | 12:24 |
| Zerlinna | Seveas: that's what I wanted to do.. | 12:24 |
| Seveas | Zerlinna, argh | 12:25 |
| Seveas | I misread your lines | 12:25 |
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| Zerlinna | Seveas: no prob :-) | 12:25 |
| Zerlinna | So about when can we expect the official announcement? Will it be on ubuntu.com? | 12:31 |
| Seveas | when it's ready and yes | 12:33 |
| Zerlinna | Seveas: :-) ok | 12:34 |
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| sivang | Seveas: what was the last meetin about? | 03:32 |
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| Seveas | development progress iirc | 03:58 |
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| Seveas | janimo, if you plan your meetings a bit more on time and notify the fridge crew, then Ubugtu can put it in the topic ;) | 04:34 |
| janimo | Seveas: ok :) | 04:34 |
| janimo | it may even bust attendance ;) | 04:35 |
| Seveas | possibly | 04:35 |
| Seveas | it will be listed on the fridge and here | 04:35 |
| janimo | boost | 04:35 |
| janimo | hmm we may just make it regular weekly meeting at the same hour | 04:36 |
| janimo | we'll decide in todays meeting | 04:36 |
| Seveas | sounds good | 04:36 |
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| janimo | 2 minutes | 04:58 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi janimo | 04:58 |
| janimo | hi gauvain | 04:58 |
| nomed | hi | 04:59 |
| nomed | soumyadip ? | 04:59 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: no news on netswitch yet | 05:01 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, nothing new | 05:01 |
| janimo | btw is it using /etc/n/interfaces or some custom config of its own? | 05:01 |
| janimo | from the website it seems it aims to be like network manager | 05:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | it uses its own config iirc | 05:02 |
| janimo | ah, hmm it may not be good for main after all if it does not do things the debian way | 05:02 |
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| janimo | shall we wait for soumyadip ? | 05:03 |
| janimo | let's start then | 05:04 |
| nomed | janimo, we wait him to discuss localisation issues | 05:04 |
| janimo | 1) panel plugins | 05:04 |
| nomed | yep | 05:04 |
| Gloubiboulga | we can move the 2nd item to the end if he's late imo | 05:04 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok, just a quick look at those plugins | 05:04 |
| janimo | the plugins not uploaded so far are those which do not seem to work | 05:04 |
| janimo | for all of us | 05:04 |
| janimo | weather and diskperf are in this categpry | 05:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | except the clipman plugin | 05:05 |
| janimo | the rest are not yet ported | 05:05 |
| janimo | I uploaded clipman today :) | 05:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok :) | 05:05 |
| janimo | dii not update the wiki though | 05:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | xkb is ready, I can package it quickly | 05:05 |
| nomed | janimo, Gloubiboulga it's strange that weather works fine here | 05:05 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: cool I just wanted to ask you about it | 05:05 |
| nomed | was it in breezy ? | 05:05 |
| janimo | nomed: yes | 05:06 |
| janimo | it wass buggy though | 05:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | for all the not-yet-ported plugins, the author are working on them | 05:06 |
| janimo | I could not change kb layout using it | 05:06 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: great | 05:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | except lua plugin | 05:06 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: that's irrelevamt to most users | 05:06 |
| janimo | too techincal | 05:06 |
| janimo | so not a priority | 05:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok, so we can just forget it I guess | 05:06 |
| janimo | right, or package it if it gets ported | 05:07 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 05:07 |
| janimo | prioroty is weather/dsikperf/xkb | 05:07 |
| janimo | especially xkb for localisation | 05:07 |
| janimo | screenshot plugin seems not to be a good idea as upstream said | 05:07 |
| Gloubiboulga | xkb will soon be packaged :) | 05:07 |
| janimo | so I may juts make it an executable | 05:07 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: I know, I just wanted to stress that it's the most important plugin issing right now IMO | 05:08 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: I loooked in goodies svn two days ago and saw nothing | 05:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 05:08 |
| janimo | so assumed xkb is no worked on | 05:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, the author emailed me this morning that it's ready | 05:08 |
| janimo | great | 05:09 |
| janimo | anything else to add for plugins? | 05:09 |
| janimo | if not 3) archiver | 05:09 |
| Gloubiboulga | we should remove datetime and xfce4-toys from the archives imo | 05:09 |
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| janimo | Gloubiboulga: datetime is replaced too? | 05:09 |
| nomed | and add a meta pkge ? | 05:09 |
| janimo | with toys I agree it is just not easy to remove from the arch | 05:09 |
| nomed | with all the working plugins ? | 05:09 |
| janimo | busy admins | 05:09 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, datetime is not working iirc, and there are similar plugins with the panel | 05:10 |
| janimo | nomed, lets' wait till it's clear which plugins make it to dapper | 05:10 |
| nomed | k | 05:10 |
| janimo | I add the plugins one by one to xubunt-desktop so we know explictely what is tested and deemd ok for default install | 05:10 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: ok, there are some other xfce pkgs which need purging from the arch will need to ask for all of them in the same time | 05:11 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 05:11 |
| janimo | the old 4.2 plugins + toys | 05:11 |
| janimo | old xfprint xfdesktop if they are still there, xterminal | 05:11 |
| janimo | old package names which we used in hoary | 05:12 |
| janimo | 3)archiver | 05:12 |
| nomed | ok | 05:12 |
| nomed | the devel is working actively on it during these days | 05:12 |
| nomed | the release 0.4 will be just when iso support will be fixed | 05:12 |
| nomed | in the mean time i asked him to use a version control | 05:13 |
| janimo | you mention thunar plugin for 0.4 to in the wiki | 05:13 |
| janimo | is that so? | 05:13 |
| nomed | he's happy with bzr at the end | 05:13 |
| nomed | yep | 05:13 |
| janimo | good | 05:13 |
| janimo | so will he take care of integrating the plugin? I did not look at it | 05:13 |
| nomed | he'll add an --extract opt | 05:13 |
| nomed | and he will work on thunar plugin then | 05:13 |
| janimo | oh but we do the thunar bits right? | 05:13 |
| janimo | ok | 05:13 |
| nomed | then .. | 05:13 |
| nomed | i think we should pkge it from bzr | 05:14 |
| nomed | help him on solving issues | 05:14 |
| janimo | ok | 05:14 |
| janimo | I agree | 05:14 |
| nomed | then 0.4 should be ready for dapper | 05:14 |
| janimo | we still have to test if it is stable, does not eat data | 05:14 |
| janimo | and this kind of stuff | 05:14 |
| nomed | janimo, he sent me new two patches | 05:14 |
| janimo | since it is a potentially destructive app | 05:14 |
| nomed | now it should be mostly bug free | 05:15 |
| janimo | nomed, let's wait for bzr if he promised Monday | 05:15 |
| nomed | the known bugs are gone | 05:15 |
| janimo | which were they btw? | 05:15 |
| nomed | i'll have a gmail chat session with him | 05:15 |
| nomed | i'll help him on that | 05:15 |
| nomed | i'll mail you when ready | 05:15 |
| janimo | ok | 05:15 |
| janimo | I just noticed the png not found warnig at start | 05:15 |
| nomed | janimo, adding files to an archive | 05:15 |
| nomed | for the 2 3 times | 05:16 |
| nomed | had some issues | 05:16 |
| nomed | not anymore | 05:16 |
| Gloubiboulga | janimo, netswitch author has just confirmed, he doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces | 05:16 |
| janimo | hmm, it would have been better if he released now so we can test and then fix the iso handling :) | 05:16 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: thanks | 05:16 |
| janimo | hmm, I would have preferred to be an equivalent of gnome-net-setting without gnome libs instead of a whole new | 05:17 |
| nomed | janimo, k i'll ask for it | 05:17 |
| janimo | incompatible way :) | 05:17 |
| nomed | i think a 0.3.1 or something like that should be a problem for hi | 05:17 |
| nomed | m | 05:17 |
| janimo | 0.3.1 is the last AFAIK | 05:17 |
| janimo | 4) Dapper Look | 05:17 |
| janimo | our weak point ;) | 05:17 |
| nomed | hehehe | 05:17 |
| janimo | it's good we have 6 more weeks | 05:18 |
| nomed | the dapper-look chan is not really active | 05:18 |
| nomed | anymore | 05:18 |
| janimo | to wait for soemone to do the artwork :) | 05:18 |
| nomed | but that guy told me he had something ready | 05:18 |
| janimo | maybe even upstream releases 4.4 by then | 05:18 |
| nomed | i was not on irc during the week end | 05:18 |
| nomed | i hope to meet him soon | 05:18 |
| janimo | but once we have ISOs I think there's going to be more contributions in this area for sure | 05:19 |
| janimo | which leads us to 5) | 05:19 |
| janimo | ISO images | 05:19 |
| Gloubiboulga | is there something scheduled for this ? | 05:19 |
| janimo | they are approved but still blocked | 05:19 |
| janimo | appreved to be supported by canonical so they can go to main | 05:19 |
| nomed | janimo, we should have it soon | 05:20 |
| janimo | which is what I thogh was the case so far but was not apparently | 05:20 |
| nomed | i think we should fix something in capser for xubuntu | 05:20 |
| nomed | casper | 05:20 |
| janimo | so we need the pakcages in main than they can build CD-s there are more people doing that now besides Colin Watson | 05:20 |
| janimo | nomed: what? | 05:20 |
| nomed | janimo, will xubuntu have even a livecd ? | 05:20 |
| janimo | nomed, I sure hope so | 05:21 |
| janimo | and an espresso installer | 05:21 |
| nomed | it's possible we should fix something on them | 05:21 |
| nomed | casper and espresso | 05:21 |
| janimo | what exaclty ?do you know something specific or wondering | 05:21 |
| janimo | espresso shoulf be gtk only | 05:22 |
| nomed | i've seen casper has some scripts for gnome stuff .. | 05:22 |
| nomed | i need to take a deeper look on that .. | 05:22 |
| nomed | but there are gnome specific scripts | 05:22 |
| janimo | I hope it just looks ate the livecd seed and does the right thing | 05:22 |
| nomed | and maybe xfce needs some too | 05:22 |
| janimo | since it works for kde I think it's not gnome dependent | 05:22 |
| janimo | as soon as we start doing install cd-s I'll take a closer look to the live seeds | 05:23 |
| janimo | I did not pay much attention to them | 05:23 |
| janimo | only to the desktop seed | 05:23 |
| Riddell | the gtk side of espresso does stuff with turning off gconf, but nothing very gnome specific | 05:23 |
| janimo | Riddell: thanks | 05:24 |
| nomed | i've seen it but i didn't check the code very well .. | 05:24 |
| janimo | anyway since that is the livecd it may even use some small gnome bits as long as it does not install them ;) | 05:24 |
| janimo | so the conclusion is flightX will be available but I cannot estimate when | 05:25 |
| nomed | janimo, i was thinking on configuration stuff | 05:25 |
| janimo | since it depends on when packages will be put in main | 05:25 |
| janimo | nomed, yes/ | 05:25 |
| janimo | ? | 05:25 |
| nomed | janimo, i'll take a deeper look on that during the week end and i'll be more specific | 05:26 |
| janimo | nomed, unrelated: if you like pyxfce you may want to package the bindings | 05:26 |
| janimo | also the pyexo stuff | 05:26 |
| nomed | janimo, yep it would be cool .. | 05:26 |
| janimo | that would sit well with the whole ubuntu line ;) | 05:26 |
| nomed | but maybe for dapper +1 ? | 05:26 |
| janimo | nomed, sure | 05:26 |
| janimo | shouildn't be hard though | 05:27 |
| janimo | just a small matter of packaging ;) | 05:27 |
| nomed | yep | 05:27 |
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| nomed | ehehe | 05:28 |
| janimo | anything else? | 05:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | :) | 05:28 |
| janimo | besides 6) future meetings | 05:28 |
| nomed | i having that time | 05:28 |
| nomed | friday is fine for me | 05:28 |
| janimo | ok I think we could have a fixed weekly schedule for future meetings | 05:28 |
| nomed | i agree | 05:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep, I agree too | 05:29 |
| janimo | Friday may not be good for some people | 05:29 |
| janimo | we should chose a day we have small chances to overlap with other meetings | 05:29 |
| janimo | edubuntu has their every Wed | 05:29 |
| janimo | any prefs regarding day/hour? | 05:29 |
| janimo | what to exclude? | 05:30 |
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| nomed | i have no problems if i know that in time | 05:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | same for me | 05:30 |
| janimo | even during the day? 12-16utc) ? | 05:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | except tuesday 13-17 UTC and friday before 15 UTC | 05:31 |
| janimo | Ok let;s have them on Wed 14 UTC | 05:32 |
| janimo | an hour after edubuntu | 05:32 |
| janimo | if we show up next time we can keep the same schedule from now on | 05:32 |
| nomed | ok | 05:32 |
| Gloubiboulga | fine with me | 05:32 |
| ogra | janimo, talk to the a11y team | 05:32 |
| janimo | ogra: they have fixed schdule too? | 05:32 |
| ogra | they usually have theirs after ours, but no fixed schedule | 05:33 |
| janimo | hmm soon ubuntu-meeting wil need a scheduler | 05:33 |
| janimo | ogra, thanks for th eheadsup | 05:33 |
| ogra | Seveas is working on it ;) | 05:33 |
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| janimo | ogra, do otrher teams have their fixed days? | 05:34 |
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| Seveas | janimo, poke the fridge team with your schedule and Ubugtu will know it | 05:34 |
| Seveas | (ogra: no it's finished so I'm no longer working on it ;)) | 05:34 |
| ogra | janimo, most have ... | 05:34 |
| janimo | Seveas,we thought we may have a somewhat fixed schedule | 05:34 |
| nomed | janimo, Gloubiboulga soumyadip is here | 05:35 |
| janimo | so we dont; forget poking each week :) | 05:35 |
| nomed | 2. Localisation Issues <-- | 05:35 |
| janimo | soumyadip: hi, we'll talk about scim in a few minutes | 05:35 |
| ogra | Seveas, nah, thats only the first step ... calendaring isnt a full scheduling solution yet ;) | 05:35 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi soumyadip | 05:35 |
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| soumyadip | hi janimo Gloubiboulga | 05:35 |
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| janimo | lets' try nex Wed at 14 utc and if it conflicts we postpone it to Thu | 05:37 |
| janimo | soumyadip: let's talk about scim & co | 05:37 |
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| soumyadip | janimo, right | 05:38 |
| janimo | do you have a list of packages which we need in xubuntu so they provide out of the box functionality for indic langs | 05:38 |
| janimo | the one you sent to th elist is that? | 05:38 |
| soumyadip | no that was for scim | 05:38 |
| soumyadip | IIRC | 05:38 |
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| janimo | yes | 05:38 |
| janimo | what else is needed | 05:38 |
| janimo | I know next to 0 about this subject :( | 05:39 |
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| soumyadip | we also need the ttf-indic-fonts metapackage, that pulls in all the individual font packages | 05:39 |
| soumyadip | we need to look into a couple of aspell packages | 05:39 |
| janimo | what is the status of ubuntu/kubuntu re this subject | 05:39 |
| janimo | is this the frentic work in progress at the l10n sprint ? | 05:40 |
| G0SUB | janimo: much more than that ... | 05:40 |
| soumyadip | janimo, nah, most of the packages are already in Ubuntu | 05:40 |
| soumyadip | janimo, we are currently trying to fix a rendering problem on OO2 | 05:40 |
| janimo | GOSUB, I hope the sprint is much more than that not that we need much more than the sprinters are working on | 05:40 |
| soumyadip | janimo, well we did solve a rendering issue with firefox | 05:41 |
| janimo | soumyadip: OO2 does not directly concern xubuntu | 05:41 |
| soumyadip | ah yes | 05:41 |
| janimo | soumyadip: so we need to pick the packages which gnome/ubuntu installs for indic languiages and we;re fine? | 05:41 |
| soumyadip | janimo, you asked about the frenetic work :) | 05:41 |
| soumyadip | yup | 05:41 |
| janimo | soumyadip: ah, ok :) | 05:41 |
| soumyadip | janimo, apart form one small thing about the locales | 05:42 |
| janimo | translations for xfce apps? | 05:42 |
| janimo | I think we'll add language chooser | 05:42 |
| soumyadip | janimo, well translations are conducted by individual language teams | 05:42 |
| soumyadip | janimo, great | 05:42 |
| janimo | when xubuntu packages go to main, the plan is (was) to add them to langpack-base | 05:43 |
| soumyadip | janimo, since the language teams work autonomously, not all languages are translated completely | 05:43 |
| G0SUB | soumyadip: is XFCE in Rosetta yet? | 05:43 |
| soumyadip | G0SUB, no | 05:43 |
| janimo | since they are relatively small | 05:43 |
| soumyadip | janimo, ok | 05:43 |
| G0SUB | better get those in then | 05:43 |
| soumyadip | janimo, I started work on some translations | 05:43 |
| janimo | not in rosetta bc the policy is AIUI do not put stuff in rosetta if upstream does not use rosetta | 05:43 |
| soumyadip | G0SUB, that is not for me to decide | 05:44 |
| janimo | and xfce is not using it | 05:44 |
| janimo | soumyadip: great, are you coordinating with xfce i18n | 05:44 |
| janimo | although if dapper got imported in rosetta may mean that we can use it for packages indep of upstream | 05:45 |
| janimo | I am not sure | 05:45 |
| soumyadip | janimo, no, I'm currently translating .po files and sending them over to Runa Bhattacharya, who is the contact for Bengali i18n | 05:45 |
| janimo | soumyadip: apps in general you mean not just xfce? | 05:45 |
| soumyadip | janimo, no XFCE specific | 05:45 |
| soumyadip | I started work on thunar | 05:46 |
| janimo | and Runa sends to xfce then? | 05:46 |
| soumyadip | janimo, correct | 05:46 |
| janimo | soumyadip: great | 05:46 |
| janimo | so input methods, fonts , aspell and language packs | 05:47 |
| soumyadip | well the bengali translation team is divided between India and Bangladesh, so importing into rosetta would be beneficial for Bengali at least as people from both countries could work collaboratively | 05:47 |
| janimo | of these only input methods is trickier than the latin locales right? | 05:47 |
| soumyadip | janimo, does XFCE concern itself with hunspell ? there are hunspell dictionaries too | 05:47 |
| soumyadip | janimo, yup | 05:47 |
| soumyadip | janimo, all of them are covered by scim-tables-additional | 05:48 |
| janimo | soumyadip: they don;t have any app that uses a spell checker afaik | 05:48 |
| soumyadip | janimo, ok | 05:48 |
| janimo | is abiword covered? | 05:48 |
| Seveas | ogra, true, but this channel is not nearly full enough to need a complete scheduler | 05:48 |
| soumyadip | janimo, Indic rendering in Abiword is hopelessly broken | 05:48 |
| janimo | upstream problem? | 05:49 |
| soumyadip | janimo, yup | 05:49 |
| janimo | So I guess OO will be used even with xubuntu? | 05:49 |
| soumyadip | if the user so decides | 05:49 |
| janimo | well if rendering is broken and user wants indic rendering :) | 05:49 |
| soumyadip | exactly | 05:49 |
| janimo | OT: how is koffice in this regard | 05:50 |
| Riddell | janimo: which? | 05:51 |
| janimo | indic rendering | 05:51 |
| Riddell | same as all the rest of KDE | 05:51 |
| janimo | meaning ? :) | 05:51 |
| Riddell | I've not heard any complains apart from Kate, so I assume it works | 05:52 |
| soumyadip | janimo, well I personally haven'ty tested KDE at all | 05:52 |
| janimo | Riddell: why don;t you ship koffice instead of oo? | 05:52 |
| janimo | soumyadip: ok, I was just curios if oo had some advantages afetr all | 05:52 |
| janimo | anything else to discuss? | 05:52 |
| Riddell | janimo: koffice lacks a number of features, kword isn't perfectly WYSIWYG, koffice 1.4.0 was quite unstable and their MS import filters are not as good as openoffice (except kspread) and export filters are non-existant | 05:53 |
| janimo | so meeting next week Wed 14UTC | 05:53 |
| janimo | Seveas, can you put it on the fridge ^ | 05:53 |
| janimo | thanks | 05:53 |
| Riddell | we do ship krita on the CD from koffice | 05:53 |
| janimo | Riddell: thanks | 05:54 |
| soumyadip | janimo, ok, I'll play around to see if there are any more issues | 05:54 |
| janimo | ok thanks everyone we meet next Wed | 05:54 |
| nomed | cu next Wed | 05:54 |
| nomed | janimo, one question ... | 05:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | cu | 05:54 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga: :) | 05:55 |
| janimo | nomed: sure | 05:55 |
| Gloubiboulga | hey G0SUB :) | 05:55 |
| Seveas | janimo, I'm no fridge person, poke fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 05:55 |
| nomed | wouldn't it be possible to have an xubuntu cd using the pkge that are already in main ? | 05:55 |
| janimo | Seveas: aha I thought you were | 05:55 |
| janimo | nomed: only gnome/lde are in main :) | 05:56 |
| janimo | that's why we dont; have a CD yet | 05:56 |
| nomed | and just for xubuntu team ? | 05:56 |
| nomed | ubuntu has already released 5 cds .. | 05:56 |
| nomed | i hope we'll not have too much issues on xubuntu cds :/ | 05:57 |
| janimo | you mean a cd with packages in universe then? | 05:57 |
| nomed | yes | 05:57 |
| janimo | nomed, I hope so too | 05:57 |
| janimo | but I don;t want to start building and uploading CDs myself | 05:57 |
| janimo | since it needs bandwidth a lot of time | 05:58 |
| nomed | i undesrtand | 05:58 |
| janimo | and mostly skillz :) | 05:58 |
| janimo | which I am not sure is the best time for me to start learning now | 05:58 |
| janimo | especially since the CD;s should be done any day now (TM) | 05:58 |
| nomed | ok | 05:58 |
| janimo | but I'll ask Colin again | 05:58 |
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| nomed | so cu next Wed :) | 06:00 |
| nomed | ciao | 06:00 |
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| ruy | hi | 06:28 |
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| Zerlinna | hi there, is it _really_ sure that there is no official announcement of the delay of Dapper yet? - Because ubuntuusers.de (& also heise.de) have already post that on their site. | 08:23 |
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| Zerlinna | ping Seveas | 08:30 |
| Seveas | Zerlinna, there is no official announcement yet | 08:30 |
| natroll- | gonna wait till the 19th? | 08:31 |
| Zerlinna | Seveas: ok thank you! I just needed to be really sure | 08:32 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Documentation Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 29 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 02:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | ||
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| mdke | who's around? | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | I am | 10:07 |
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| mdke | cool | 10:08 |
| mdke | shall we get straight into it? | 10:08 |
| trappist | let's do, this is the only thing keeping me from going home :) | 10:08 |
| mdke | agenda is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda | 10:08 |
| mdke | first up, Author attribution - proposal is to have the author of every document as the Documentation Team, with the team email address. Individual contributors can then be listed in the <legalnotice> tag. | 10:09 |
| mdke | we've already discussed this briefly in the chan | 10:09 |
| mdke | anyone have any clarifications/questions/worries? | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | ok, so where exactly are we setting this? | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | in bookinfo.xml or the omf file? | 10:09 |
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| mdke | in each document, wherever it is relevant | 10:09 |
| mdke | it's in the <bookinfo> tag yeah, but that may not always be a separate file | 10:10 |
| Burgwork | works for me | 10:10 |
| trappist | I'm not sure I like it - I think that info is less useful than an actual author's name | 10:10 |
| mdke | to my mind, the ideal example is this: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/generic/packagingguide/C/bookinfo.xml | 10:10 |
| trappist | but I haven't really thought it through | 10:10 |
| trappist | what's the argument for it? | 10:10 |
| mdke | trappist, i think docs look better when they come from a team, rather than individuals. | 10:11 |
| Burgwork | we have a single contact, the doc team | 10:11 |
| mdke | and it's better for contact details, as Burg says | 10:11 |
| Burgwork | because as some of us have seen, sometimes teams are revolving doors, while the team is constant | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok, but what about the omf files. They have <creator>, <maintainer>, and <contributor> tages? | 10:11 |
| trappist | that does make sense | 10:11 |
| mdke | LaserJock, i would say creator+maintainer = team, and contributor = individuals | 10:12 |
| mdke | not sure | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | the only thing I would like to have is some separation a far as what doc team members are "in charge" of each doc | 10:13 |
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| mdke | LaserJock, yes, that's why I like the way you've done it in the packaging guide bookinfo | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | I agree ;-) | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | but I think I need to change the omf file | 10:13 |
| mdke | yes | 10:14 |
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| mdke | hi jjesse | 10:14 |
| jjesse | hello | 10:14 |
| mdke | jjesse, we're on item 1 | 10:14 |
| jjesse | ok, grabing the agenda | 10:14 |
| jjesse | any decision made on that? | 10:16 |
| trappist | so author=team, maintainer=maintainer and contributors=a list? | 10:16 |
| mdke | jjesse, the general feeling is pro, what are your views? | 10:16 |
| mdke | trappist, precisely | 10:16 |
| jjesse | i have no problem with it | 10:16 |
| trappist | mdke: as opposed to author/maintainer=team | 10:17 |
| jjesse | for example in the release notes i included some authors in the list but missed some and was asked about it | 10:17 |
| jjesse | i like trappist idea author=team maint. = maintainer | 10:17 |
| manicka | a contributor list should be more than enough | 10:18 |
| mdke | trappist, yes. in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/generic/packagingguide/C/bookinfo.xml you'd have the maintainers and contributors in the <legalnotice> tag, and the author (docteam) in the <authorgroup> tag | 10:18 |
| trappist | I don't see a maintainer - as in, who's "in charge of" that particular doc | 10:19 |
| mdke | trappist, right, that would be added to that file | 10:19 |
| trappist | which is useful info, at least for me | 10:19 |
| trappist | gotcha | 10:19 |
| jjesse | confused a little | 10:19 |
| jjesse | maintainer would be the person "in charge" of that doc, like laserjock for kubuntu destkop guide | 10:20 |
| mdke | a bit like this: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/bookinfo.xml except maybe the maintainer list could be separate from the contributors | 10:20 |
| jjesse | ? | 10:20 |
| trappist | in that case, +1 to the proposal as I understand it | 10:20 |
| mdke | jjesse, sure, except its robotgeek :) | 10:20 |
| jjesse | grin i never keep it straight | 10:20 |
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| mdke | ok, everyone seems in favour | 10:21 |
| mdke | any more comments? | 10:21 |
| jjesse | so for the docs we have to redo and add a bookinfo.xml file? | 10:21 |
| jjesse | cause i know releasenotes and about kubuntu don't have them | 10:21 |
| mdke | jjesse, no no. You can do it all in one file too | 10:21 |
| mdke | jjesse, it's in the <bookinfo> tag in release-notes.xml and about-kubuntu.xml | 10:21 |
| jjesse | ah sorry, brain is fried from a long work week | 10:22 |
| mdke | i know the feeling :/ | 10:22 |
| mdke | all clear? | 10:22 |
| jjesse | yes | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | I think so | 10:22 |
| mdke | LaserJock, go ahead if it's not | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | mdke: so the packaging guide is ok? I just need to adjust the omf file | 10:23 |
| mdke | LaserJock, you should adjust the list in bookinfo.xml so that it is clear you are the maintainer. Maybe even split the list into two lists | 10:23 |
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| mdke | IMO | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok, maybe you should send a sample (template) to the list so everybody can see | 10:24 |
| mdke | ok | 10:24 |
| mdke | it's two lists already actually | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I just split it into "doc team members" and "contributors" | 10:25 |
| mdke | LaserJock, something like this: http://pastebin.com/608084 | 10:26 |
| mdke | except without the grammatical errors | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | that looks good to me | 10:26 |
| mdke | note: I've also changed the authorgroup to use the entity, but that is trivial | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | and then in the omf I would have author == doc project and maintainer == laserjock | 10:27 |
| mdke | creator == doc project, I suppose. there isn't an "author" | 10:28 |
| trappist | that does make more sense | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | there isn't? | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | doh, there isn't | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'm all good | 10:28 |
| mdke | great | 10:29 |
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| mdke | next item: Internal doc freeze dates? What/when are we giving docs to translators? | 10:29 |
| mdke | we haven't heard back from the TB about the doc freeze yet | 10:30 |
| jjesse | remember that this will be the first time that kubuntu docs will be included in rosetta | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I was talking with Keybuk in -devel about the doc freeze | 10:30 |
| mdke | me too | 10:30 |
| mdke | he seemed happy but said to wait for the rest of the TB | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | he thought the present scheme on wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule was good | 10:31 |
| mdke | erm | 10:31 |
| mdke | that is kinda the opposite of what we've been saying on the thread on the mailing list | 10:31 |
| mdke | it is a 6 week delay | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | that is my point | 10:32 |
| jjesse | i thought on the mailing list we talked about a 2 week delay for the docs | 10:32 |
| mdke | when I spoke to him today he was happy about amending that to 2 weeks | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok, I talked to him yesterday I think | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | he must have changed his mind ;-) | 10:32 |
| mdke | LaserJock, I'm pushier than you :) | 10:32 |
| mdke | I'm really against a 6 week delay | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | well, the point he brought up was that UI Freeze was also pushed 6 weeks | 10:33 |
| mdke | those poor translations are gonna have like 10 times the strings they had for breezy, and even then it wasn't enough time | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | so we will freeze before UI Freeze | 10:33 |
| mdke | I don't have a problem with that, as I said in my email. what do others think? | 10:33 |
| trappist | I don't have my head around what needs to be done or how much time we *need*, so I don't really have an opinion. | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | Corey didn't think that the UI freeze would affect much and I tend to agree. I think the changes should be pretty small | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not writing a doc heavily using the UI ;-) | 10:34 |
| mdke | I agree too. I think that any changes can be sorted out by us changing and notifying the translator list | 10:35 |
| mdke | but I'm still keen on freezing early formally, rather than informally | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | agreed, so +2 weeks on all docs? | 10:35 |
| mdke | can the packaging guide handle it? | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | I sure hope so | 10:36 |
| mdke | heh | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | 2 extra weeks will good | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | It might not have as much polish as the rest of the docs | 10:36 |
| trappist | I can polish | 10:36 |
| mdke | any more thoughts on this? votes +1 or -1 for 2 weeks (subject to TB approval): | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | +1 | 10:36 |
| trappist | +1 | 10:37 |
| mdke | +1 | 10:37 |
| mdke | Burgwork, jjesse, mgalvin, manicka ^ | 10:37 |
| manicka | +1 | 10:37 |
| Burgwork | +1 | 10:37 |
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| mdke | lol | 10:38 |
| mdke | Burgwork, 2 week extension on the freeze, rather than 6 | 10:38 |
| Burgwork | sounds good | 10:38 |
| mgalvin | +1 | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | my biggest concern with the packaging guide is that it won't have much developer review, but I think I'll have to wait for Dapper+1 for that | 10:39 |
| mdke | ok, that brings us onto the next one | 10:39 |
| mdke | Current doc status. Where are we at with each doc? | 10:39 |
| mdke | go LaserJock | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | umm, well, uhhh | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | I'm getting there | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | I'm pretty happy with the introduction and getting started chapters | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | I think trappist could work his magic there | 10:40 |
| mdke | so, packaging guide and server guide would appear to be good targets for trappist and other like minded magic-workers | 10:41 |
| mdke | the desktop guide is looking good, I think. How about kubuntu stuff? <-- jjesse | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | I was supposed to get help from other MOTUs etc. but that hasn't shown up. I think I'll have to brute force it :( | 10:41 |
| trappist | I've already been busy on serverguide. I can make time for packaging guide once LaserJock's got it stable. | 10:41 |
| mdke | trappist, any idea which chapters are missing from serverguide? it's nearly there, right? | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I wanted to bring up status reports in relation to this | 10:42 |
| trappist | yeah, it is. some network-config stuff, a lot of email stuff and maybe some firewall stuff still needs work iirc | 10:42 |
| mdke | LaserJock, what's on your mind? | 10:43 |
| trappist | oh and wireless. | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | ok, I think all the docs should have status reports, and we should be using them for this stuff | 10:43 |
| trappist | I totally agree. | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure exactly what I need to do that | 10:44 |
| mdke | LaserJock, we've been getting better at status reports recently. they are generally up to date, I think. BUT there is one major problem | 10:44 |
| trappist | the serverguide has one that seems pretty up to date and it's been very useful to me, looking for stuff to work on | 10:44 |
| mdke | if you take a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/status/sg-report.html, you'll see that far too many sections have tags | 10:44 |
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| mdke | even the really minor sub-sub-sub sections have them | 10:44 |
| mdke | which is really confusing | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | I agree | 10:44 |
| trappist | mdke: what about a tree-view status report, then? | 10:45 |
| mdke | we could write up a wiki page about status tags | 10:45 |
| mdke | trappist, that would rock. no idea how to do it | 10:45 |
| trappist | how are these status reports generated? | 10:45 |
| mdke | trappist, in the Makefile, in a similar way to the html previews | 10:46 |
| trappist | I'll look into that and see if I can make it happen | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | ok, so looking at the Projects wiki, I don't see links to many of the Kubuntu doc status reports or the packaging guide and style guide | 10:46 |
| mdke | I would tend to prioritise that quite low | 10:46 |
| mdke | maybe even dapper+1, if we only have 3 weeks left | 10:46 |
| trappist | yeah | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | mdke: so do I need to tweak the Makefile to generate a status report? | 10:47 |
| mdke | LaserJock, you may have to add an entry for the packaging guide yeah | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | ok | 10:47 |
| mdke | LaserJock, and you'll need status tags in the doc, if you haven't got them already | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | I've got 1 so far for trappist ;-) | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | but I'll go through and add the rest | 10:48 |
| mdke | cool | 10:48 |
| mdke | the various tags are at the bottom of the Projects wiki page | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I guess I'll put "review" when I'm ready for some word nazi action? | 10:49 |
| mdke | that's it | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | k, I'll get it done ASAP | 10:49 |
| mdke | okies. next issue | 10:50 |
| mdke | Screenshots? How many and for what docs? How will the UI Freeze affect them? | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | ok, so that was for Madpilot kinda | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | I noticed there was some discussion about including screenshots in the user guides | 10:50 |
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| mdke | placeholders need to be in before string freeze, but they can be taken/updated after that, if things change before UI Freeze. | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah, and they wouldn't be translated ... | 10:51 |
| trappist | I think nobody should be taking screenshots until after the ui freeze | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | should we make a list of screenshots we need for each doc? maybe on a wiki? | 10:52 |
| trappist | so there won't be any wasted effort, and we should have time then, due to the string freeze | 10:52 |
| mdke | LaserJock, they should just be inserted into the document, in my opinion. then they can be taken later, as trappist says | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | I was just thinking that the authors could put up a list of screenshots (that need to be done) for each doc and then people could attach them. It might go a little faster that way | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | just a thought | 10:54 |
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| LaserJock | thought | 10:55 |
| mdke | it might work. But making a list of screenshots is not a lot slower than adding placeholders into the doc directly | 10:55 |
| mdke | slower/faster * | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I mean after the placeholders are in | 10:56 |
| trappist | mdke: but looking at a list is faster than looking for placeholders | 10:56 |
| mdke | ah sure | 10:56 |
| mdke | yes, agreed | 10:56 |
| mdke | we should have plenty of time to do that after the strings are frozen, as trappist says | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking that way that the author could solicit screenshots ;-) | 10:56 |
| mdke | yeah, good plan, my bad | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | ok, so we use placeholders until after the UI Freeze, right? | 10:57 |
| mdke | that's right | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | ok, next item? | 10:58 |
| mdke | Do we have any prioritization of wiki pages (cleanup) that should be done before Dapper is released? | 10:58 |
| mdke | Burgwork, good item for you if you're around | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | I was just thinking that maybe some wiki pages need to be prioritized for the release | 10:58 |
| trappist | do we even have an unprioritized list? | 10:58 |
| mdke | trappist, CategoryCleanup | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo maybe | 10:59 |
| trappist | holy crap that's a lot of wikis | 11:00 |
| trappist | how does stuff get onto/off of that list? | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | you fix it ;-) | 11:00 |
| trappist | I can get on that | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | at the bottom of the page is usually the list of categories a page belongs to | 11:01 |
| mdke | yeah, just delete the reference to CategoryCleanup once it's clean :) | 11:01 |
| trappist | got it. | 11:02 |
| mdke | trappist, for future word-nazi-ing reference, you call them "wiki pages" rather than "wikis" | 11:02 |
| trappist | check. | 11:02 |
| mdke | "This wiki page is a guide to etc" | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I could be totally wrong, but I thought that maybe we need to make sure that all the most important wiki pages are ready for dapper | 11:02 |
| Burgwork | we are looking for a list of priority pages? | 11:02 |
| trappist | I dunno if I can maintain a 10-a-day pace until release, so yeah I guess prioritization will be helpful | 11:02 |
| mdke | but LaserJock's item is a valid one | 11:02 |
| Burgwork | BinaryDriverHowto is badly in need of a rewrite | 11:03 |
| mdke | a number of things will need updating for dapper | 11:03 |
| mdke | codecs have changed packages etc | 11:03 |
| Burgwork | we need to decide what to do with DVD support in Dapper | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | arggh | 11:04 |
| mdke | heh | 11:04 |
| mdke | that is rather waiting on upstream tbh | 11:04 |
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| Burgwork | dvd support has not been ported to gstreamer0.10 | 11:04 |
| mgalvin | later guys | 11:04 |
| mdke | Burgwork, it's been ported, but some features are missing | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | ugh | 11:04 |
| mdke | menus, subtitles are missing | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | all I know is there is not a package yet available. I call that not ported | 11:04 |
| mdke | apparently there is a chance of it getting fixed for dapper, but only a chance | 11:04 |
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| mdke | I was led to believe there is a package | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | I think so | 11:05 |
| Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PageHits <-- this is a good guideline for figuring out what needs to be done | 11:05 |
| mdke | good point | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | nice | 11:05 |
| trappist | great link | 11:05 |
| Burgwork | I will create a subpage of WikiTodo called CheckedForDapper and list some that need to be checked | 11:06 |
| Burgwork | once someone has checked a page, sign off on it on that page | 11:06 |
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| mdke | maybe even a category? | 11:06 |
| Burgwork | page is easier, we don't need extra categories, IMHO | 11:06 |
| mdke | alright, if you don't mind doing the list | 11:07 |
| Burgwork | I will do it tonight | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | way cool | 11:07 |
| mdke | cool | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I just wanted to briefly mention that I was able to get the Ubuntu docs to register with doc-base | 11:08 |
| mdke | yay | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | but I haven't done the Kubuntu docs yet | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | it looks like they should be easier | 11:09 |
| mdke | yep, they are all under /usr/share/doc/kde/en/HTML/kubuntu | 11:09 |
| mdke | will be hell to localise, stupid kde | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | so I just have to add the proper control files and tweak the packaging | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | and then build a test kubuntu-docs package | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | man they take a long time to build | 11:10 |
| mdke | do you want a user account on our server? | 11:11 |
| mdke | the builds are fast | 11:11 |
| mdke | in fact they should be fast on any reasonable computer | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | perhaps that might be useful | 11:11 |
| mdke | ok | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | what every you want. If I could use my dual core iMac maybe it would be faster ;-) | 11:12 |
| mdke | heh | 11:12 |
| mdke | any other business, can we wrap things up? | 11:12 |
| trappist | I got nothin | 11:13 |
| dsas | quick question: I take it that will there be a meeting after dapper release to discuss the next cycle? | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | many, many meetings ;-) | 11:14 |
| dsas | sounds fun ;) | 11:14 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:15 |
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| mdke | me too | 11:16 |
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