=== GNAM [n=giocauno@host86-241.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FBB13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === khanman02 [n=khan@cbl-sd-54-191.aster.com.do] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FBB13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:22] is there any logs of past ubuntu meetings? === olive [n=olive@o.o6.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:22] check the topi [12:22] c [12:25] i swear that wasn't there before (j/k lol...) === xhaker [n=xhaker@213.201.220.218] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _^Smash^_ is Away, Reason: ( de fiesta... ) | Since: ( Thursday March 16 2006. 16:30:08 ) Xlack v2.1 === _^Smash^_ [n=smash@85.137.47.159] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Abandonando"] === mode/#ubuntu-meeting [+o Seveas] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-meeting [-b %Qball!*@*] by Seveas === mode/#ubuntu-meeting [-o Seveas] by Seveas === j_ack [n=nico@p508D99E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === SDPlissken [n=Snake@cpe-68-173-223-72.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hapo [i=pr@kapsi.fi] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ubuntu-Ex-Chat"] === JoePowerbook [n=None@pdpc/supporter/active/JoePowerbook] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dolsonap [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["leaving..] === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FBB13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Natbat [n=natalied@12.118.67.234] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Bigredman74 [n=tim@68.62.189.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lguerra [i=lguerra@200.21.93.195] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #Ubuntu-meeting === khanman02 [n=khan@cbl-sd-54-191.aster.com.do] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === baerj_ [n=baerj@c-24-11-169-4.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mat___ [n=mat@f79100.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@c911b8fe.bhz.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pww [n=pwwnow@CPE000f3d50bdbd-CM014410101121.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === PeterWhittaker [n=pwwnow@CPE000f3d50bdbd-CM014410101121.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Xnos [n=marco@201.153.106.220] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@d64-180-114-2.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:01] @reload webcal [05:01] @reload topic [05:01] @topic === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Mar 21:00 UTC: Documentation Team | 22 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 29 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 02:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status === robitaille hugs ubugtu [05:02] @schedule US/Pacific [05:02] Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Mar 13:00: Documentation Team | 22 Mar 04:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 12:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 12:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 04:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 18:00: Dapper Development Status [05:04] robitaille: interesting, what timezone formats does it recognise? [05:05] I'm not sure. I was looking at logs from the channel a few hours ago when Seveas was playing with it [05:05] @schedule NZDT [05:05] @schedule Jamaica [05:06] Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Mar 16:00: Documentation Team | 22 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 15:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 15:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 21:00: Dapper Development Status [05:06] I guess not [05:06] @schedule Pacific/Auckland [05:06] Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Mar 10:00: Documentation Team | 23 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 24 Mar 08:00: Dapper Development Status | 29 Mar 08:00: Technical Board | 30 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 14:00: Dapper Development Status [05:06] that's better [05:06] I wonder if it loads the fridge schedule automatically, or we have to do it manually === Xnos [n=marco@201.153.106.220] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === elijahlofgren [n=elijahlo@70-41-1-213.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lguerra [i=lguerra@200.21.93.195] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.211.93] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@c-68-50-206-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["So] === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1116.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=Moitd@CPE000d8802a749-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fatejudger [n=fatejudg@c-24-5-49-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-092-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["So] [08:55] ajmitch, all official timezones === ubijtsa prefers times to be quoted in UTC if more than one country is involved.. [08:57] removes confusion over stoopid summertime as well [08:57] ubijtsa, that's why the topic is in UTC [08:58] yup [08:58] Seveas: I was curious since I'd say that NZDT/NZST is official :) [08:59] it's probably not the official abbreviation [09:00] it is afaik [09:00] @schedule NZ [09:00] Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Mar 10:00: Documentation Team | 23 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 24 Mar 08:00: Dapper Development Status | 29 Mar 08:00: Technical Board | 30 Mar 00:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 14:00: Dapper Development Status [09:01] Fri Mar 17 21:00:56 NZDT 2006 [09:01] 'date' gives me that [09:01] hmm [09:01] Pacific/Auckland [09:01] that worked, I tried it earlier [09:08] Seveas: does your bot check the fridge automatically, or we have to poke at it after we upgrade the calendar? [09:08] it updates it's meeting cache every 60 minutes [09:09] and every minute it checks whether the topic has to be changed [09:09] impressive [09:09] not at all [09:09] we have been replaced by a machine :) [09:09] pytz and ical libs were found online, all I had to do was glue the bits together [09:11] Seveas: it seems happy to ignore my private requests [09:11] not for me (I just reloaded the module which went wrong the first time, you may have been just at the wrong time) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1116.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _mvo_ [n=egon@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@Q7492.q.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:15] Hi there, can someone tell me if the decision about the delay of dapper has already been taken officially? === Yann2 [n=Yann2@sab57-1-82-231-107-53.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:17] Zerlinna: it is [12:17] mvo: great, is there any site with an official announcement? [12:18] Zerlinna, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule [12:19] Zerlinna, no there is no official announcement ye [12:19] t [12:19] Seveas: thank you.. because in Germany everybody is already spreading that there would be! [12:19] Seveas, see www.golem.de [12:19] I know - they should hurry up with the announcement [12:19] rumours spread insanely fast [12:20] Zerlinna: there will be a anouncement soon === amu [n=amu@debian/developer/amu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:21] moin junks [12:21] Seveas: so should we stop them from spreading this or just wait to the real official announcement? [12:21] & maedels :) [12:22] just tell them to wait [12:22] Zerlinna, heise know that they have to wait [12:22] but i dont know why golem dont wait [12:23] juliux: they just point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDelayMeetingSummary and it is clearly indicatet that this is NOT an off. ann. [12:23] Seveas: ok so I'll send some emails [12:23] Zerlinna, please don't === amu remembers to the security warning, this posting was also too fast [12:24] don't link to unofficial business [12:24] just point them to DapperDelayMeetingSummary and tell them to wait [12:24] Seveas: that's what I wanted to do.. [12:25] Zerlinna, argh [12:25] I misread your lines === Seveas grabs coffee - needs to wake up [12:25] Seveas: no prob :-) [12:31] So about when can we expect the official announcement? Will it be on ubuntu.com? [12:33] when it's ready and yes [12:34] Seveas: :-) ok === amu wounders who put this news on this portal === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@Q7492.q.strato-dslnet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === amu [n=amu@debian/developer/amu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Verlassend"] === rtcm [n=e@81.84.151.84] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@licio.estaminas.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Howdy125 [n=Howdy125@c-67-183-90-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62958.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [03:32] Seveas: what was the last meetin about? === wftl [n=mgagne@CPE00045a5aa82b-CM00159a417d3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Kopete] === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:58] development progress iirc === JoePowerbook [n=None@pdpc/supporter/active/JoePowerbook] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Alpha-Toxic [n=Kopete@client-82-199-200-72.speedy.sellinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nomed [n=nomed@host69-195.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Alpha-Toxic [n=Kopete@client-82-199-200-72.speedy.sellinet.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [04:34] janimo, if you plan your meetings a bit more on time and notify the fridge crew, then Ubugtu can put it in the topic ;) [04:34] Seveas: ok :) [04:35] it may even bust attendance ;) [04:35] possibly [04:35] it will be listed on the fridge and here [04:35] boost [04:36] hmm we may just make it regular weekly meeting at the same hour [04:36] we'll decide in todays meeting [04:36] sounds good === gapz [n=gapz@84.5.203.188] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:58] 2 minutes [04:58] hi janimo [04:58] hi gauvain [04:59] hi [04:59] soumyadip ? [05:01] Gloubiboulga: no news on netswitch yet [05:01] janimo, nothing new [05:01] btw is it using /etc/n/interfaces or some custom config of its own? [05:02] from the website it seems it aims to be like network manager [05:02] it uses its own config iirc [05:02] ah, hmm it may not be good for main after all if it does not do things the debian way === jbrockmeier [n=jzb@c-67-164-187-12.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:03] shall we wait for soumyadip ? [05:04] let's start then [05:04] janimo, we wait him to discuss localisation issues [05:04] 1) panel plugins [05:04] yep [05:04] we can move the 2nd item to the end if he's late imo [05:04] ok, just a quick look at those plugins [05:04] the plugins not uploaded so far are those which do not seem to work [05:04] for all of us [05:05] weather and diskperf are in this categpry [05:05] except the clipman plugin [05:05] the rest are not yet ported [05:05] I uploaded clipman today :) [05:05] ok :) [05:05] dii not update the wiki though [05:05] xkb is ready, I can package it quickly [05:05] janimo, Gloubiboulga it's strange that weather works fine here [05:05] Gloubiboulga: cool I just wanted to ask you about it [05:05] was it in breezy ? [05:06] nomed: yes [05:06] it wass buggy though [05:06] for all the not-yet-ported plugins, the author are working on them [05:06] I could not change kb layout using it [05:06] Gloubiboulga: great [05:06] except lua plugin [05:06] Gloubiboulga: that's irrelevamt to most users [05:06] too techincal [05:06] so not a priority [05:06] ok, so we can just forget it I guess [05:07] right, or package it if it gets ported [05:07] yep [05:07] prioroty is weather/dsikperf/xkb [05:07] especially xkb for localisation [05:07] screenshot plugin seems not to be a good idea as upstream said [05:07] xkb will soon be packaged :) [05:07] so I may juts make it an executable [05:08] Gloubiboulga: I know, I just wanted to stress that it's the most important plugin issing right now IMO [05:08] Gloubiboulga: I loooked in goodies svn two days ago and saw nothing [05:08] ok [05:08] so assumed xkb is no worked on [05:08] janimo, the author emailed me this morning that it's ready [05:09] great [05:09] anything else to add for plugins? [05:09] if not 3) archiver [05:09] we should remove datetime and xfce4-toys from the archives imo === jozmak [n=mak@h66-201-246-249.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:09] Gloubiboulga: datetime is replaced too? [05:09] and add a meta pkge ? [05:09] with toys I agree it is just not easy to remove from the arch [05:09] with all the working plugins ? [05:09] busy admins [05:10] janimo, datetime is not working iirc, and there are similar plugins with the panel [05:10] nomed, lets' wait till it's clear which plugins make it to dapper [05:10] k [05:10] I add the plugins one by one to xubunt-desktop so we know explictely what is tested and deemd ok for default install [05:11] Gloubiboulga: ok, there are some other xfce pkgs which need purging from the arch will need to ask for all of them in the same time [05:11] ok [05:11] the old 4.2 plugins + toys [05:11] old xfprint xfdesktop if they are still there, xterminal [05:12] old package names which we used in hoary [05:12] 3)archiver [05:12] ok [05:12] the devel is working actively on it during these days [05:12] the release 0.4 will be just when iso support will be fixed [05:13] in the mean time i asked him to use a version control [05:13] you mention thunar plugin for 0.4 to in the wiki [05:13] is that so? [05:13] he's happy with bzr at the end [05:13] yep [05:13] good [05:13] so will he take care of integrating the plugin? I did not look at it [05:13] he'll add an --extract opt [05:13] and he will work on thunar plugin then [05:13] oh but we do the thunar bits right? [05:13] ok [05:13] then .. [05:14] i think we should pkge it from bzr [05:14] help him on solving issues [05:14] ok [05:14] I agree [05:14] then 0.4 should be ready for dapper [05:14] we still have to test if it is stable, does not eat data [05:14] and this kind of stuff [05:14] janimo, he sent me new two patches [05:14] since it is a potentially destructive app [05:15] now it should be mostly bug free [05:15] nomed, let's wait for bzr if he promised Monday [05:15] the known bugs are gone [05:15] which were they btw? [05:15] i'll have a gmail chat session with him [05:15] i'll help him on that [05:15] i'll mail you when ready [05:15] ok [05:15] I just noticed the png not found warnig at start [05:15] janimo, adding files to an archive [05:16] for the 2 3 times [05:16] had some issues [05:16] not anymore [05:16] janimo, netswitch author has just confirmed, he doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces [05:16] hmm, it would have been better if he released now so we can test and then fix the iso handling :) [05:16] Gloubiboulga: thanks [05:17] hmm, I would have preferred to be an equivalent of gnome-net-setting without gnome libs instead of a whole new [05:17] janimo, k i'll ask for it [05:17] incompatible way :) [05:17] i think a 0.3.1 or something like that should be a problem for hi [05:17] m [05:17] 0.3.1 is the last AFAIK [05:17] 4) Dapper Look [05:17] our weak point ;) [05:17] hehehe [05:18] it's good we have 6 more weeks [05:18] the dapper-look chan is not really active [05:18] anymore [05:18] to wait for soemone to do the artwork :) [05:18] but that guy told me he had something ready [05:18] maybe even upstream releases 4.4 by then [05:18] i was not on irc during the week end [05:18] i hope to meet him soon [05:19] but once we have ISOs I think there's going to be more contributions in this area for sure [05:19] which leads us to 5) [05:19] ISO images [05:19] is there something scheduled for this ? [05:19] they are approved but still blocked [05:19] appreved to be supported by canonical so they can go to main [05:20] janimo, we should have it soon [05:20] which is what I thogh was the case so far but was not apparently [05:20] i think we should fix something in capser for xubuntu [05:20] casper [05:20] so we need the pakcages in main than they can build CD-s there are more people doing that now besides Colin Watson [05:20] nomed: what? [05:20] janimo, will xubuntu have even a livecd ? [05:21] nomed, I sure hope so [05:21] and an espresso installer [05:21] it's possible we should fix something on them [05:21] casper and espresso [05:21] what exaclty ?do you know something specific or wondering [05:22] espresso shoulf be gtk only [05:22] i've seen casper has some scripts for gnome stuff .. [05:22] i need to take a deeper look on that .. [05:22] but there are gnome specific scripts [05:22] I hope it just looks ate the livecd seed and does the right thing [05:22] and maybe xfce needs some too [05:22] since it works for kde I think it's not gnome dependent [05:23] as soon as we start doing install cd-s I'll take a closer look to the live seeds [05:23] I did not pay much attention to them [05:23] only to the desktop seed [05:23] the gtk side of espresso does stuff with turning off gconf, but nothing very gnome specific [05:24] Riddell: thanks [05:24] i've seen it but i didn't check the code very well .. [05:24] anyway since that is the livecd it may even use some small gnome bits as long as it does not install them ;) [05:25] so the conclusion is flightX will be available but I cannot estimate when [05:25] janimo, i was thinking on configuration stuff [05:25] since it depends on when packages will be put in main [05:25] nomed, yes/ [05:25] ? [05:26] janimo, i'll take a deeper look on that during the week end and i'll be more specific [05:26] nomed, unrelated: if you like pyxfce you may want to package the bindings [05:26] also the pyexo stuff [05:26] janimo, yep it would be cool .. [05:26] that would sit well with the whole ubuntu line ;) [05:26] but maybe for dapper +1 ? [05:26] nomed, sure [05:27] shouildn't be hard though [05:27] just a small matter of packaging ;) [05:27] yep === janimo remembers some very frustrating times with such 'small matters of packaging' [05:28] ehehe [05:28] anything else? [05:28] :) [05:28] besides 6) future meetings [05:28] i having that time [05:28] friday is fine for me [05:28] ok I think we could have a fixed weekly schedule for future meetings [05:29] i agree [05:29] yep, I agree too [05:29] Friday may not be good for some people [05:29] we should chose a day we have small chances to overlap with other meetings [05:29] edubuntu has their every Wed [05:29] any prefs regarding day/hour? [05:30] what to exclude? === j_ack [n=nico@p508D90E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:30] i have no problems if i know that in time [05:30] same for me [05:31] even during the day? 12-16utc) ? [05:31] except tuesday 13-17 UTC and friday before 15 UTC [05:32] Ok let;s have them on Wed 14 UTC [05:32] an hour after edubuntu [05:32] if we show up next time we can keep the same schedule from now on [05:32] ok [05:32] fine with me [05:32] janimo, talk to the a11y team [05:32] ogra: they have fixed schdule too? [05:33] they usually have theirs after ours, but no fixed schedule [05:33] hmm soon ubuntu-meeting wil need a scheduler [05:33] ogra, thanks for th eheadsup [05:33] Seveas is working on it ;) === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:34] ogra, do otrher teams have their fixed days? === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.199.109] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:34] janimo, poke the fridge team with your schedule and Ubugtu will know it [05:34] (ogra: no it's finished so I'm no longer working on it ;)) [05:34] janimo, most have ... [05:34] Seveas,we thought we may have a somewhat fixed schedule [05:35] janimo, Gloubiboulga soumyadip is here [05:35] so we dont; forget poking each week :) [05:35] 2. Localisation Issues <-- [05:35] soumyadip: hi, we'll talk about scim in a few minutes [05:35] Seveas, nah, thats only the first step ... calendaring isnt a full scheduling solution yet ;) [05:35] hi soumyadip === srid [n=srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:35] hi janimo Gloubiboulga === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === srid [n=srid@unaffiliated/srid] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Nirvana:] [05:37] lets' try nex Wed at 14 utc and if it conflicts we postpone it to Thu [05:37] soumyadip: let's talk about scim & co === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:38] janimo, right [05:38] do you have a list of packages which we need in xubuntu so they provide out of the box functionality for indic langs [05:38] the one you sent to th elist is that? [05:38] no that was for scim [05:38] IIRC === soumyadip checking [05:38] yes [05:38] what else is needed [05:39] I know next to 0 about this subject :( === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-244-94.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:39] we also need the ttf-indic-fonts metapackage, that pulls in all the individual font packages [05:39] we need to look into a couple of aspell packages [05:39] what is the status of ubuntu/kubuntu re this subject [05:40] is this the frentic work in progress at the l10n sprint ? [05:40] janimo: much more than that ... [05:40] janimo, nah, most of the packages are already in Ubuntu [05:40] janimo, we are currently trying to fix a rendering problem on OO2 [05:40] GOSUB, I hope the sprint is much more than that not that we need much more than the sprinters are working on [05:41] janimo, well we did solve a rendering issue with firefox [05:41] soumyadip: OO2 does not directly concern xubuntu [05:41] ah yes [05:41] soumyadip: so we need to pick the packages which gnome/ubuntu installs for indic languiages and we;re fine? [05:41] janimo, you asked about the frenetic work :) [05:41] yup [05:41] soumyadip: ah, ok :) [05:42] janimo, apart form one small thing about the locales [05:42] translations for xfce apps? [05:42] I think we'll add language chooser [05:42] janimo, well translations are conducted by individual language teams [05:42] janimo, great [05:43] when xubuntu packages go to main, the plan is (was) to add them to langpack-base [05:43] janimo, since the language teams work autonomously, not all languages are translated completely [05:43] soumyadip: is XFCE in Rosetta yet? [05:43] G0SUB, no [05:43] since they are relatively small [05:43] janimo, ok [05:43] better get those in then [05:43] janimo, I started work on some translations [05:43] not in rosetta bc the policy is AIUI do not put stuff in rosetta if upstream does not use rosetta [05:44] G0SUB, that is not for me to decide [05:44] and xfce is not using it [05:44] soumyadip: great, are you coordinating with xfce i18n [05:45] although if dapper got imported in rosetta may mean that we can use it for packages indep of upstream [05:45] I am not sure [05:45] janimo, no, I'm currently translating .po files and sending them over to Runa Bhattacharya, who is the contact for Bengali i18n [05:45] soumyadip: apps in general you mean not just xfce? [05:45] janimo, no XFCE specific [05:46] I started work on thunar [05:46] and Runa sends to xfce then? [05:46] janimo, correct [05:46] soumyadip: great [05:47] so input methods, fonts , aspell and language packs [05:47] well the bengali translation team is divided between India and Bangladesh, so importing into rosetta would be beneficial for Bengali at least as people from both countries could work collaboratively [05:47] of these only input methods is trickier than the latin locales right? [05:47] janimo, does XFCE concern itself with hunspell ? there are hunspell dictionaries too [05:47] janimo, yup [05:48] janimo, all of them are covered by scim-tables-additional [05:48] soumyadip: they don;t have any app that uses a spell checker afaik [05:48] janimo, ok [05:48] is abiword covered? [05:48] ogra, true, but this channel is not nearly full enough to need a complete scheduler [05:48] janimo, Indic rendering in Abiword is hopelessly broken [05:49] upstream problem? [05:49] janimo, yup [05:49] So I guess OO will be used even with xubuntu? [05:49] if the user so decides [05:49] well if rendering is broken and user wants indic rendering :) [05:49] exactly [05:50] OT: how is koffice in this regard [05:51] janimo: which? [05:51] indic rendering [05:51] same as all the rest of KDE [05:51] meaning ? :) [05:52] I've not heard any complains apart from Kate, so I assume it works [05:52] janimo, well I personally haven'ty tested KDE at all [05:52] Riddell: why don;t you ship koffice instead of oo? [05:52] soumyadip: ok, I was just curios if oo had some advantages afetr all [05:52] anything else to discuss? [05:53] janimo: koffice lacks a number of features, kword isn't perfectly WYSIWYG, koffice 1.4.0 was quite unstable and their MS import filters are not as good as openoffice (except kspread) and export filters are non-existant [05:53] so meeting next week Wed 14UTC [05:53] Seveas, can you put it on the fridge ^ [05:53] thanks [05:53] we do ship krita on the CD from koffice [05:54] Riddell: thanks [05:54] janimo, ok, I'll play around to see if there are any more issues [05:54] ok thanks everyone we meet next Wed [05:54] cu next Wed [05:54] janimo, one question ... [05:54] cu [05:55] Gloubiboulga: :) [05:55] nomed: sure [05:55] hey G0SUB :) [05:55] janimo, I'm no fridge person, poke fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [05:55] wouldn't it be possible to have an xubuntu cd using the pkge that are already in main ? [05:55] Seveas: aha I thought you were [05:56] nomed: only gnome/lde are in main :) [05:56] that's why we dont; have a CD yet [05:56] and just for xubuntu team ? [05:56] ubuntu has already released 5 cds .. [05:57] i hope we'll not have too much issues on xubuntu cds :/ [05:57] you mean a cd with packages in universe then? [05:57] yes [05:57]