[02:41] <iGotNoTime> I wish we had sound in IRC so I could scream BOOOO! and scare the hell out of all of you :P
[02:42] <iGotNoTime> running to the market be back in a bit :)
[02:45] <HedgeMage> lol
[02:45] <HedgeMage> no, thanks.  I don't need to hear all the other users' music, noises, etc.
[02:48] <Burgundavia> right, and my boss at work would wonder what I was doing on my machine
[02:48] <Burgundavia> I like stealth-ircing thanks
[02:49] <HedgeMage> lol
[03:36] <iGotNoTime> BOOO!
[03:36] <iGotNoTime> Ha got ya again! 
[03:36] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[03:37] <iGotNoTime> damn it just doesn't feel the same :(
[03:38] <HedgeMage> lol
[03:41] <flint> HedgeMage, Hi there my dear, still like the name and intend to keep using it.
[03:43] <HedgeMage> flint: :) good
[03:43] <flint> HedgeMage, anyway thank you very much.  where in the world are you? I am in Vermont, USA.
[03:48] <flint> anyway, good night and good luck. sksk
[03:50] <HedgeMage> WA, usa
[03:50] <HedgeMage> oops, missed him
[04:29] <iGotNoTime> Can I modify my settings in any way to make the Windows Key open the Applications menu?
[04:29] <iGotNoTime> some habits are VERY hard to break
[04:29] <Burgundavia> I don't think so
[04:30] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[04:30] <iGotNoTime> thx :)
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> whoa! nevermind :P
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> it currently changes my languages!
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> very cool
[04:31] <iGotNoTime> much easier than multple keys!
[05:52] <Burgundavia> greetings highvoltage
[05:52] <Burgundavia> how is your saturday?
[05:54] <highvoltage> hi Burgundavia 
[05:54] <highvoltage> well, i just woke up, so we'll have to see :)
[05:55] <highvoltage> going to install 2 new tuxlabs in 2 hours or so from now :)
[05:55] <highvoltage> brining the amount of tuxlabs in this province to 120.
[05:55] <Burgundavia> cool
[05:55] <Burgundavia> userful via omni and novell is about to roll out 3k desktops in NorthWest province
[05:57] <highvoltage> kewl :)
[05:58] <highvoltage> .za at educational level is going towards linux faster and faster
[05:59] <highvoltage> the educational content providers are working more and more towards making all their content web-based, or at least platform independent to some degree.
[05:59] <highvoltage> because they are aware of all these mass Linux deployments and they don't want to loose market.
[05:59] <highvoltage> this in turn, is helping the DoE to more seriously consider Linux for their roll-outs
[06:06] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:46] <simon__> anyone at home
[11:46] <Burgundavia> simon__: nope
[11:47] <simon__> got an ltsp problem any takers
[11:47] <Burgundavia> sorry, I know nothing about ltsp
[11:48] <simon__> get to gnome desktop manger screen but keyboard works on and off with wrong symbols when it does work then suddenly it will work ok for a bit then fail again. i know its not keyboard as it works ok in main edubuntu
[01:58] <snif96ter> hallo
[01:59] <highvoltage> hi
[01:59] <snif96ter> ich soll in einer Schule ein Netzwerk einrichten ich mchte dafr Linux nehmen, weil ich selber schon lnger privat mit Ubuntu arbeite. Jetzt mchte ich wissen, was Edubuntu besser kann oder welche extra funktionen es gegenber anderen Ubuntu Derivaten hat.
[02:03] <highvoltage> hallo snif96ter. fgt edubuntu irgendeinen pdagogischen Inhalt, wie kde-edu, gcompris, tux4kids, etc. sowie LTSP hinzu, das Ihnen erlaubt, Computer von einem Netz aufzuladen.  ich spreche nicht irgendwie deutsch, ich benutze google bersetze zum communicat zu Ihnen jetzt :)
[02:04] <highvoltage> ogra ist mglicherweise deutsch, wenn Sie auf einer Spitze halten, die Sie einige Fragen konnten als er.
[02:05] <snif96ter> ok highvoltage you can speak english to me
[02:05] <highvoltage> shew! that's way less work :)
[02:05] <snif96ter> :)
[02:06] <highvoltage> are you planning to use thin clients, or full desktop systems?
[02:06] <snif96ter> what are thin clients?
[02:06] <highvoltage> that's when you have workstations without any local storage, they boot and work entirely off the network, from a central server.
[02:07] <highvoltage> the applications even run from the server, they are just displayed locally.
[02:07] <highvoltage> edubuntu has this built in by default. your workstations only need to be PII's. You need a powerful server, though.
[02:07] <snif96ter> i plan it with full desktop systems
[02:08] <highvoltage> in that case, edubuntu will only give you software such as what i've mentioned before. edubuntu also includes schooltool.
[02:08] <snif96ter> i've heard of schooltool before but how can i use it?
[02:09] <highvoltage> unfortunately i haven't had a chance to use it too much either
[02:09] <highvoltage> but if you have some time, you could look it up at http://www.schooltool.org
[02:12] <snif96ter> the server in this school is already Suse Linux 9.3 Server do i need a edubuntu server? or can i use the suse server?
[03:34] <jelkner> hi all, i have a quick question
[03:35] <jelkner> we have an edubuntu lab setup in a community that is primarily spanish speaking
[03:35] <jelkner> i did the install in english
[03:35] <jelkner> when i connect directly to the server, i can choose the language
[03:35] <jelkner> on the clients, i can't
[03:36] <jelkner> is there an easy way to change the default language to spanish on the clients?
[03:42] <highvoltage> jelkner: i think there is a way, but you have to change it for *all* the clients then
[03:42] <highvoltage> jelkner: i don't think you can choose individual or per-user languages atm
[03:43] <jelkner> highvoltage, that's ok
[03:44] <jelkner> i know later we will be able to choose on an individual basis (perhaps dapper + 1)?
[03:44] <jelkner> but for now i want spanish
[03:44] <jelkner> how can i do that?
[03:44] <highvoltage> i'm not sure
[03:44] <highvoltage> i asked ogra about it a few days back, and he said you could change it in the ltsp chroot
[03:44] <highvoltage> i'm not sure how though
[03:45] <jelkner> ok, i'll check with him later
[03:45] <jelkner> thanks
[03:45] <jelkner> exit
[06:16] <flint> ogra, ollie got a stoopid question...
[06:17] <spacey> oh oh flint
[06:18] <spacey> please feel free to share with the rest of us as well
[06:19] <flint> spacey, ok babies, elkner calls me up in a dither... he needs to switch classrooms full of folks between languages - hopefully on the fly.
[06:19] <spacey> he already asked here 3 hours ago
[06:19] <flint> the dealieo here is there are several language variables in a user environment.  these are:
[06:19] <spacey> spanish
[06:20] <flint> spacey, spanish is the real issue here in the colonies absolutely.
[06:20] <flint> flint@zeta:~$ set | grep -i lang
[06:20] <flint> GDM_LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[06:20] <flint> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[06:20] <flint> LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
[06:20] <flint> now when you switch to spanish....
[06:20] <spacey> IIRC you can change the default in /etc/environment
[06:21] <flint> flint@zeta:~$ set | grep -i lang
[06:21] <flint> GDM_LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
[06:21] <flint> LANG=es_ES.UTF-8
[06:21] <flint> LANGUAGE=es_ES.UTF-8
[06:21] <flint> on a per user basis? in ltsp?
[06:21] <spacey> thats systemwide
[06:22] <spacey> on per user i'm not sure, normally you select that in GDM
[06:22] <spacey> not sure where its stored normally per user
[06:22] <flint> what about a for a given user, say you want half the class in spanish and half in english?
[06:22] <flint> and this would be in the LTSP /opt/etc/ or something eh?
[06:22] <spacey> then you need configure it for half of the users i guess
[06:23] <spacey> well
[06:23] <flint> where in GDM ( or as I like to refer to it, goddamn :^) would you change the language variable?
[06:23] <spacey> if you set it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
[06:23] <spacey> then its only for the thinclient self
[06:23] <spacey> afaik
[06:23] <spacey> so maybe LDM will be in that language then
[06:23] <flint> I can probabaly live with just this environment variable change.  
[06:24] <spacey> but the system itself you need to put it in /etc i guess
[06:24] <flint> I will play with this in the flint linux candy lab.... thanks!
[06:24] <flint> where is that little scamp ogra?
[06:24] <spacey> i hope he is enjoying the weekend
[06:24] <flint> he has had pleanty of time to get a cigarette....
[06:24] <spacey> working 7 days a week would be pretty bad for him
[06:25] <flint> seriously thanks for the lead.  I will try to put something on  the wiki....
[06:25] <flint> indeed... and I actually agree completely.  thanks agaoin.. sksk
[07:31] <highvoltage> *yawn*
[08:46] <iGotNoTime> Does anyone know if my default Edubuntu has a TFTP server built in?
[08:46] <iGotNoTime> I need to have communication for file transfer to flash some firmware into one of my networked devices
[08:52] <iGotNoTime> nevermind found it, Synaptic is the coolest thing in this distro!
[08:54] <highvoltage> iGotNoTime: yes, it has one built it
[08:54] <highvoltage> synaptic++
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> is it running by default?
[08:54] <highvoltage> it's required for LTSP
[08:54] <iGotNoTime> I don't see it in processes
[08:54] <highvoltage> if your ltsp is running, then tftp is running too
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> how do i start the server?
[08:55] <highvoltage> tftpd runs out of inetd
[08:55] <highvoltage> check that it's enabled in /etc/inetd.conf
[08:55] <highvoltage> and that inetd is started
[08:55] <highvoltage> /etc/init.d/inetd start
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> yes thank you
[08:55] <iGotNoTime> that was wwhat i was looking for :)
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> very slow in here today ;)
[08:56] <iGotNoTime> I needed to get some movement :D
[08:56] <highvoltage> sorry, i've been in and out :/
[08:57] <iGotNoTime> hehe
[08:58] <iGotNoTime> from my inedt.conf :
[08:58] <iGotNoTime> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> that means it is ready to run correct?
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> all I then need to do is start inetd via terminal?
[08:59] <highvoltage> yes, although, inetd isn't really meant for a standard ftp server
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> it is only for 5 minutes use :)
[08:59] <iGotNoTime> I am stopping service after done
[09:00] <highvoltage> tftp is different from ftp in that it only sends the file to the other side, without checking that it gets there
[09:00] <iGotNoTime> I am using to flash some files into a SIP adapter :)
[09:00] <highvoltage> many clients won't work with it
[09:00] <iGotNoTime> the device has lights signaling when completed
[09:00] <highvoltage> i don't know if that would work :/
[09:00] <highvoltage> but i won't stop you from trying :)
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> how do I find out what the server IP would be?
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> just my local for edubuntu?
[09:01] <highvoltage> yep
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> k :)
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> be back in a bit with the prognosis :)
[09:01] <iGotNoTime> thx
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> ohhh one more thing
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> what is the default root directory for the service?
[09:02] <iGotNoTime> where do I place this .bin file?
[09:03] <highvoltage> /var/lib/tftpboot
[09:03] <highvoltage> not sure if tftp even listens on a standard port :/
[09:03] <iGotNoTime> hehe
[09:03] <iGotNoTime> will find out :)
[09:58] <iGotNoTime> :)
[09:59] <iGotNoTime> the screen savers are gnome products correct?
[11:31] <enyc> erm
[11:32] <enyc> how doesw pprintign work with all the thin-clients on ltsp??
[11:32] <enyc> do they have their won cupsys locally as-per the 'boot image' when boot-over-network?
[11:32] <enyc> or...
[11:32] <enyc> use remote ip:631 cupsys somehow?
[12:02] <GR8WENT> do I have to create an lts.conf?
[12:03] <GR8WENT> I don't see one in /opt/ltsp/etc