carlosdoes that expression exist in English?12:02
simiraI think so12:02
carlosok ;-)12:02
simirabut I think Tollef will be asleep soon if I don't get off. Good night!12:03
carlossimira: night12:03
carlossimira: thanks for your help12:03
simiracarlos: np, keep up the good work12:04
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MrFaberhi all12:21
MrFaberAnyone useing a second monitor with dapper?12:21
BurgworkMrFaber, #dapper+112:21
Burgworksorry, make that #ubuntu+112:22
MrFabernomeata, it is a bug I think12:22
MrFaberthats why I ask12:22
MrFaberbecause xorg ignores modes, but ok, I can ask there at first12:22
Burgworkif it is a bug, please file it12:22
Burgworkthis channel is for your discussion of the solution12:22
MrFaberI don't know, maybe it is a driver bug12:22
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_ionAnyone with a madwifi card and a WPA WLAN willing to test NetworkManager 0.6's WPA support?12:30
Burgwork_ion, I have a madwifi card at home I can test. I will be at home in about 3 hours12:31
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siretart_ion: I can perhaps try tomorrow, but more likley next week12:33
_ionburgwork: I'm probably asleep by then, but what i'd like you to test is 1) does WPA work with the newest n-m package from http://johan.kiviniemi.name/ubuntu/ and 2) does it work with that package after installing the patched linux-restricted-modules package from "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~adconrad/networkmanager-lrm/ ./"12:34
Burgwork_ion, will do12:35
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MrFaberjust want to report that cpu scaling doesn't work with 686 kernel, only with 386 in Dapper, thx, and cu01:16
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pschulz01Test message01:36
Lathiatpschulz01: Sorry it didn't work01:36
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_ionI hadn't quite thinked the version numbering scheme for my packages through, so i changed it a bit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you had installed the packages from my repository earlier, please run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install {network-manager,nm-applet,libnm-util-0}'=0.6.1-0ubuntu*'02:19
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Pygi_ion: ping02:27
_ionpygi: Pong02:27
Pygi_ion: agreed, we'll setup a wiki page later today,ok?02:29
_ionpygi: Ok.02:29
Pygi_ion: when I come to IRC, we'll just agree on what to include there, and we'll write it, that shouldn't be a problem02:29
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Pygi_ion: it's kinda too late now, but if you really want, we could do it even now?02:29
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_ionLater today is fine for me, i'm thinking of going to sleep soon. :-)02:30
Pygi_ion: o joy ;)02:30
Pygi_ion: just thinking ;)02:30
_ionWell, i'm considering watching some TV show before going to sleep. :-)02:31
_ionOh, btw., i wrote this just before you joined: < _ion> I hadn't quite thinked the version numbering scheme for my packages through, so i changed it a bit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you had installed the packages from my repository earlier, please run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install {network-manager,nm-applet,libnm-util-0}'=0.6.1-0ubuntu*'02:31
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jdubKamion: ping03:48
jdubKamion: ping (now with payload, QA)03:49
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mjg59Almost have autodetection of screen resolution, though admittedly with a rather nasty elilo hack03:50
jdubmjg59: i am disappointed that all this hackery on the maccery hasn't resulted in more gargargar on your pigblog03:50
mjg59I am not your dancing monkey, pony or bear03:52
jdubBill odia a los nios!03:54
jdubi totally misunderstood our relationship03:54
_ionI knew from the beginning that he refuses to dance.03:55
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mgalvinjdub: ping?04:01
Kamionjdub: ?04:02
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KamionWoo. Disk selector.04:03
Kamionof course exactly what it'll do with only one disk present is still up for debate04:03
jdubmgalvin: pong! been wanting to catch up with you :)04:03
mgalvinjdub: hey, howdy!04:05
mgalvinjdub: you got my email i guess?04:06
jdubuh, not yet i don't think - like, very recent?04:07
mgalvinyea, the other day, like 2-3 days ago04:07
mgalvinanyway, was just about getting on ubuntu planet04:07
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jdubmgalvin: oh yeah, you didn't include an rss url04:09
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mgalvinjdub: http://people.simplifiedcomplexity.com/~mgalvin/feed/04:11
jdubthat's a convincing start to your blog ;-)04:11
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mgalvinmeh, a small start ;) i have been moving all my stuff on to a new server when i have time, i'll be chatty once the server move is done04:15
jdubi like the domain name04:15
jdubi've just updated the configs - next cron you'll b on04:16
mgalvincool thanks! :)04:16
Burgundaviamgalvin: cool, add more doc people!04:16
mgalvinjdub: hey while i have you here, who do i poke about an @ubuntu.com email alias04:17
jdubmgalvin: elmo, i think (i thought the procedure was on the website, but that could be a brainfart)04:18
mgalvinok, i will hit him up for that, thanks again!04:19
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Burgundaviajdub: do we have a strategy for installation reports?09:12
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Burgundaviajdub: people are mailing them to ubuntu-users09:12
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KamionBurgundavia: ubuntu-users is not too bad for installation reports09:57
BurgundaviaKamion: don't they contain useful data that we would want to capture somewhere?09:58
BurgundaviaI guess we need a hardware database before we can start channeling things like that to it09:58
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KamionBurgundavia: for the most part the usefulness is more in terms of figuring out what bits need to be turned into bug reports10:04
BurgundaviaKamion: true. Maybe they should spat in LP support requests then?10:06
KamionI'm not sure they map well for those10:07
Kamionjust at the moment, mail is easiest10:07
Kamionpeople are mailing them to ubuntu-users@ because we tell them to, at the moment10:07
infinityI have issues with them on ubuntu-users for now, though an ubuntu-installer mailing list may become more appropriate as the team is forced to grow to ease Kamion's growing burden (and spread some knowlege around)10:08
infinitys/have issues/have no issues/10:08
Burgundaviaok, sounds good10:09
Kamionthere are very few anyway10:09
infinityHaving them auto-submit to a hardware databse is only useful when the install is actualy successful, and while we do want successful (and semi-sucessful) reports, the most useful reports are the complete and utter failures.10:09
Burgundaviasuccessful install stories are good if we can setup a way for people to browse for specific pieces of hardware. That is a not an easy task and may not be worth the efoort10:10
infinityIt can be done, but not for this release, I'm sure.10:13
Burgundaviawe would need a backend before we can even start thinking about backends like that10:14
Burgundaviafrontends, I mean10:15
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sivangmorning all10:51
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sivangBurgundavia: worth a spec for sure12:02
Burgundaviasivang: better to tack it on to a an existing spec on hardware data capturing12:03
sivangBurgundavia: even better, yes.12:03
sivangBurgundavia: I'm working hard btw so you can see backup hotness ;-)12:04
Burgundaviavery cool12:05
Burgundaviahow is the rest of your life?12:05
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sivangBurgundavia: mostly revolves around this cool project which I hope to deliver soon, my dayjob and a a couple of hours's rest in the weekend, catching up a comdey act once in few weeks.12:07
sivangBurgundavia: anh in the remaining time, my gf.12:07
sivangBurgundavia: (we were in a good show last night, sort of andy kaufman's type of humor, adopted to Israel current affairs , colors and ethinc groups)12:08
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KinnisonRemind me never to party with ddaa again12:19
KinnisonNor to let jblack buy me "a" drink12:19
BurgundaviaKinnison: heh12:21
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Kinnisonmpt: I feel fine12:21
mptIt was a very *pretty* row of drinks ...12:21
Kinnisonmpt: I just didn't wake up until nearly 1012:21
BurgundaviaKinnison: I haven't gone to bed yet, so...12:22
KinnisonBurgundavia: *g*12:22
mptKinnison, so you're not the Launchpadder who is reportedly still in the throes of throwing up?12:22
KinnisonBurgundavia: We drank the bar out of absinthe and curaao12:22
Kinnisonmpt: god no, I never vomit from alcohol12:22
Pygi_ion: awake? ;)12:22
mptMaybe it's ddaa12:22
Kinnisonperhaps. He did drink a *lot* of absinthe12:23
Robot101Kinnison: nor me, just the blood poisoning the next day.... :P12:23
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KinnisonRobot101: as I said, I feel fine, no bad head, no aches, no UDIs just didn't wake up until 10 and that's unusual for me12:23
mptSome people get their kicks from alcohol ... I get my kicks from watching the effect of alcohol on others ;-)12:23
Kinnisonmpt: I enjoy that too, most of the time that's what I do. Last night I decided I wanted to be the one being laughed at. It was fun12:24
Burgundaviaugh. I had to excort a roommates friend home tonight, after my roommate (female) and her fought12:24
Kinnisonmpt: So you enjoyed Maominoes?12:24
mptKinnison, generally yes, though I was annoyed by the inconsistency in the way the rules treated what the value of a domino half was12:25
mpti.e. face value vs. effect12:25
mptThanks for bringing them to the workshop :-)12:26
Burgundaviaare you lot someone for an LP sprint?12:26
Kinnisonmpt: there was no inconsistency, just the subtleties of is/matches/acts-like and free ends versus closed ends12:26
KinnisonBurgundavia: Yes, this week just gone was the first of two weeks of LP hacksprinting.12:27
sivangKinnison: what was the party reason? how did ddaa manage it? :-)12:27
Kinnisonsivang: landing the huge (> 21,000 line diff) soyuz patch into mainline launchpad12:27
sivangKinnison: oh god12:27
KinnisonBurgundavia: And this was the week of Canonical prototype seven tile double-fifteen maominoes12:28
Pygi_ion: Don't tell me you are sleepin' again? ;)12:30
sivangKinnison: (> 21,000) is huge. did pqm like it? :p12:31
Kinnisonsivang: eventually12:31
KinnisonAnyway, it's 11:30 and I have to check out by 12:00 so I need to go, pay the bar tab, and head home12:31
KinnisonI get to sleep in my own bed tonight \o/12:31
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zygasivang: hi12:32
zygasivang: do you have a moment?12:32
zygain u-desktop12:32
sivangciau Kinnison 12:35
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Pygi_ion: please do wake up ^^12:59
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pittiKamion: yay, no promotions in anastacia any more ;)01:52
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Mithrandirwhy does ejecting a cd-rom say "writing data to device $dev"?02:09
tsengMithrandir: thats been fixed according to changelog02:10
tsengit is meant for unmounting usb flash only02:10
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pittiMithrandir: hm, does that still happen with the latest nautilus version?02:36
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hendryI just did a update with dapper02:45
hendryand I restarted the computer as suggested. And it hasn't restarted. It frozen on "Checking battery state"02:46
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FjodorHey. I noticed a considerable slowdown when running seti@home on my amd64-system and a 64bit seti client. So far, I think I have found the error to be a missing patch to glibc a la http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-376943.html from gentoo. I might be able to create a patch for ubuntu glibc, but would you guys be receptive to such a patch?02:59
pittiFjodor: if the patch is reasonably obvious and nonintrusive, and does not change the API and ABI, then it has a very good change to be adopted03:06
pittiFjodor: and thanks in advance for that effort!03:07
FjodorGoody. I run breezy here, but I would suspect it to be a change for dapper. Is that correct?03:07
pittiFjodor: right03:10
pittiFjodor: we won't change these things in stable releases, it's just too risky03:11
FjodorSeems reasonable. Time to make a new chroot with dapper then03:11
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Pygi_ion: ping04:55
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_ionpygi: Good morning. :-)05:32
Pygi_ion: yes, yes, good Mornin'05:32
Pygilet's discuss it05:34
Pygi_ion: pm05:34
FjodorAs discussed with pitti, I would like do make some changes to glibc and send a patch your way, but how do I go about extracting the source after apt-get source glibc? I am rather new to debian/ubuntu05:41
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crimsunit's already extracted if you use apt-get source05:42
infinityFjodor: "debian/rules unpack"05:44
infinitycrimsun: glibc is tarball-in-tarball, so it's not quite unpacked when you unpack it. :)05:44
Toadstoolcrimsun: it depends, some packages such as glibc (IIRC) contain the debian dir and a tarball dir with upstream tarballs05:44
crimsunI stand corrected05:45
Kamiondebian/rules unpack^Wextract^Wpatch^Wapply-patches^Wstampdir/patch^Wpatch-apply^Woh-god-I-want-to-die05:45
infinityFjodor: And ater the "unpack", "debian/rules patch" if you want to apply all the patches in debian/patches.05:45
infinityKamion: Win'n'Pen is waiting for a hacker to implement (and frickin' ship) it...05:46
Kamionpeople could freaking agree on ONE TARGET NAME without that05:46
infinityKamion: Also, you forgot the oh-so-intuitive DBSism of "source.make"05:47
Kamioninfinity: and also make -f debian/sys-build.mk whatever-it-is05:47
Kamionor is it debian/scripts/sys-build.mk? don't know, don't care05:47
infinityThat's "source.make"05:47
Kamionwhat gets me is that I've never *once* seen a package that aliases any of the other common target names05:48
infinityI saw one just the other day, actually.05:48
Kamionjust that would improve usability of source packages so much, without anyone having to give up their pet name05:48
Kamionoh, which one? I need to send its maintainer flowers05:48
infinityI'll let you know when I see it again. :)05:49
infinityKamion: It had extract/unpack as aliases, and patch/dopatch, and something else.05:50
infinityKamion: No source.make, but I can't imagine that's ever anyone's first try.05:50
infinityKamion: My MO when lazy is usually just to do "debian/rules build" and hit Ctrl-C... <smirk>05:50
infinityKamion: I could deal with an optional (but strongly recommended) "debian/rules help" that explains WTF the build system does.05:52
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infinityKamion: Might be nice to explain your interesting pet targets for debian/control regeneration, unpacking source, updating upstream stuff, blah blah.05:53
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infinityKamion: Perhaps if dh_make included a templated help target that explains the default rules, it would prompt people to add their custom rules to said output.05:57
Kamionmight not hurt ...05:57
infinity(And, sneaking it into dh_make would make it a defacto standard over time, allowing for a policy amendment; see, I'm clever sometimes)05:58
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netstargstreamer on PPC is slooooooooooooooooow08:03
netstarwe're talking 99% CPU08:03
LaserJockhmm, sound like fun :(08:06
netstarnot at all08:06
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paguxhello can I ask a shell scripting  issue in  this channel ?08:14
paguxi am writting a small script ...on ubuntu 5.1008:14
paguxhow can put result of a command into an variable?08:14
pagux$count =/opt/lampp | wc -l    -> does not work ?08:15
LaserJockpagux: you are writing a Debian and Ubuntu 5.10 shell script at the same time? ;-)08:15
netstarAny PPC users?08:15
paguxi want to count of files in paerticular to be put in an variable08:15
highvoltagenetstar: yes, there are hundreds and thousands08:16
netstarAre you running Dapper on ppc?08:16
LaserJockpagux: does $count =`/opt/lampp | wc -l` work?08:17
paguxno it displays ->/opt/lampp | wc -l rather than output of command08:18
_ionpagux: You should read some scripting tutorial. No offence, but everything in that example is wrong (assuming you mean sh scripting). :-)08:18
highvoltagenetstar: nope, i run on i38608:18
highvoltagenetstar: i'm sure you'll find some on #ubuntu?08:19
paguxactully i am writting a install script for xampp08:19
netstarI need some Dapper users08:19
netstargstreamer is mush on my machine08:19
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FjodorMy glibc is now changed to include the amd patches, and I have made a diff with diff -Naurp build-tree buildtree.patched. Where do I send it?08:22
highvoltagepagux: why do you need a script to install it? it's just a tarball that you extract and it works?08:22
LaserJocknetstar: you could try #ubuntu+1 I suppose08:23
netstarthanks yeah08:23
netstarshould've thought08:23
wasabi_Why would hte name of a directory result in anything?08:23
wasabi_isn't it?08:24
paguxhighvoltage: bcos it only works  when extracted in /opt/lampp  directory08:24
paguxwasabi_: i want to check there was a previous xampp installation in yes then back it up08:25
wasabi_You want to check if the directory EXISTS?08:26
wasabi_Or if it has files in it?08:26
paguxboth 08:26
wasabi_Well, small explaination. wc -l counts the number of lines that are piped to it.08:26
wasabi_Try this:08:26
wasabi_echo 1 | wc -l08:26
_ionHas anyone (with madwifi hardware) tested the patched linux-restricted-modules package yet?08:29
paguxi know that ...i want to count no files in an directory ....thats working ...but I want store this value into an variable 08:30
paguxcount='ls /etc | wc -l';echo $count ->> not working 08:31
_ionHow about reading some scripting tutorial, and reading others' scripts?08:33
pagux_ion: if you  solution then tell it otherwise .... ;-)08:36
Pygi_ion: heh, you are alive ;)08:37
Pygi_ion: Seveas *is* testing08:37
_ionSomewhat. :-)08:37
paguxi got the solution 08:38
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SeveasI'm seeing lots of names of people I don't know on the dapper-changes list09:01
Seveaspeople who aren't in any launchpad teams either09:01
SeveasHow is that possible?09:01
SeveasMaintainer: Sam Pohlenz <retrix@internode.on.net>09:03
SeveasChanged-By: Sam Pohlenz <retrix@internode.on.net>09:03
SeveasMaintainer: Francesco Paolo Lovergine <frankie@debian.org>09:04
SeveasChanged-By: Jeremie Corbier <jeremie.corbier@resel.enst-bretagne.fr>09:04
LaserJockPeople upload for other people09:04
SeveasThen how are they authenticated?09:05
LaserJockA motu or core-dev signs them09:05
LaserJockbut they don't touch the actual packaging, and hence the changelog09:05
SeveasI really think the name of the person who signs/uploads it should be visible in either the changelog or in the mail to dapper-changes09:07
LaserJockI think you can get that info other places perhaps09:08
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LaserJockSeveas: In reality I don't know if it really matters much with team maintainance. If there is a problem them I suppose there is a log of who uploaded somewhere.09:10
Seveaswell, in case of theings being uploaded for non-developers the uploader takes responsibility09:11
LaserJockbut the non-developer did the work09:12
LaserJockbut I can definately see both sides of the argument. It is the same way in Debian though09:13
ajmitchSeveas: every mail on dapper-changes will be signed by the uploader09:16
ajmitchso it's esay to check who uploaded 09:17
Seveasah, nice09:18
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FjodorI talked to pitti about patching glibc with some amd64 patches. I have done so now, and am ready to hand over the patch to you guys. Where do I send it?09:22
Seveastry pitti ;)09:30
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FjodorNice idea Seveas :-), but I don't have his address, and he isn't online. Do any of you know him?09:32
SeveasFjodor, martin.pitt(a)ubuntu.com09:33
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_lemsx1_how can i fix this? 09:38
_lemsx1_sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx=6.9.0-8.23.7+
_lemsx1_dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa' with09:38
_lemsx1_  different file `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', not allowed09:38
_lemsx1_dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.9.0-8.23.7+ (--unpack):09:38
Seveas_lemsx1_, first remove all fglrx packages then install what you want09:39
mjg59_lemsx1_: I'd suggest not trying to install old packages on a different release09:39
Seveas_lemsx1_, and #ubuntu-devel is NOT for support - please go to #ubuntu09:39
_lemsx1_Seveas: i was planning to open a bug... just wanted to make sure09:40
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Seveas_lemsx1_, this is probably because you do things you shouldn't (installing non-Ubuntu packages), which will only be rejected in the bugtracker09:40
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_ionseveas: Sorry for bugging you again, but have you been able to test the n-m stuff with madwifi yet?11:16
Pygi_ion: I asked...11:16
Pygi_ion: he's working on ubugtu11:16
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Pygi_ion: let's stop buggin' people around for now ;) at least until *yours* later tommorow11:17
Pygi_ion: agreed? ^_^11:19
_ionYep. :-)11:19
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_ionseveas: Just in case you didn't notice this the last time i mentioned it on this channel: < _ion> I hadn't quite thinked the version numbering scheme for my packages through, so i changed it a bit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you had installed the packages from my repository earlier, please run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install {network-manager,nm-applet,libnm-util-0}'=0.6.1-0ubuntu*'11:23
Seveas_ion, that explains the lack of updates :D11:24
PygiSeveas: hehe ;)11:24
Seveasanyway, since Ubugtu is quite broken now I can't test11:24
PygiSeveas: no problem at all...take your time ;)11:25
LaserJockOur beloved Ubugtu! Broken? :(11:25
Seveasyeah, I'm trying to correct the debian bug handling (which was quite broken)11:26
_ionIn what language is Ubugtu written, btw.?11:26
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LaserJockI hope him/her/it makes it through the surgery ok ;-)11:27
Pygi_ion: lemme guess...python perhaps ? ;)11:27
Seveashe will11:27
Pygijoy, seveas was faster :-P11:27
Seveasand in a few hours he'll also understand trac11:27
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nekohayoI think the remote desktop server crashes when someone tries to connect in dapper, could anyone try to confirm this so I file a bug if there isn't one yet?11:39
dotwafflenekohayo: doesn't happen here (assuming vnc)11:40
dotwafflenekohayo: just logged in, no trouble (using Chicken of the VNC on OSX)11:40
nekohayoyeah, well the gnome remote desktop thing11:41
dotwafflenekohayo: you mean to connect to ubuntu or to connect from ubuntu to something else?11:41
nekohayoconnect to ubuntu using vncnviewer or tsclient or anything11:41
dotwaffleworks fine here :(11:41
nekohayoI see this in my .xsession-errors file o_O: +1142720916.875581 Session manager: gsm-remote-desktop.c:107: remote desktop server died, restarting11:42
nekohayooh! it works the other way around11:43
nekohayoI'm assuming it is XGL's fault11:43
nekohayowhat should I file the bug against, xserver-xgl or the remote desktop tool?11:44
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Seveaswhy oh why is the debian bts sucking so hard...11:58

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