[12:02] <carlos> does that expression exist in English?
[12:02] <simira> I think so
[12:02] <carlos> ok ;-)
[12:03] <simira> but I think Tollef will be asleep soon if I don't get off. Good night!
[12:03] <carlos> simira: night
[12:03] <carlos> simira: thanks for your help
[12:04] <simira> carlos: np, keep up the good work
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[12:21] <MrFaber> hi all
[12:21] <MrFaber> Anyone useing a second monitor with dapper?
[12:21] <Burgwork> MrFaber, #dapper+1
[12:22] <Burgwork> sorry, make that #ubuntu+1
[12:22] <MrFaber> nomeata, it is a bug I think
[12:22] <MrFaber> thats why I ask
[12:22] <MrFaber> because xorg ignores modes, but ok, I can ask there at first
[12:22] <Burgwork> if it is a bug, please file it
[12:22] <Burgwork> this channel is for your discussion of the solution
[12:22] <MrFaber> I don't know, maybe it is a driver bug
[12:23] <MrFaber> ok
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[12:30] <_ion> Anyone with a madwifi card and a WPA WLAN willing to test NetworkManager 0.6's WPA support?
[12:31] <Burgwork> _ion, I have a madwifi card at home I can test. I will be at home in about 3 hours
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[12:33] <siretart> _ion: I can perhaps try tomorrow, but more likley next week
[12:34] <_ion> burgwork: I'm probably asleep by then, but what i'd like you to test is 1) does WPA work with the newest n-m package from http://johan.kiviniemi.name/ubuntu/ and 2) does it work with that package after installing the patched linux-restricted-modules package from "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~adconrad/networkmanager-lrm/ ./"
[12:35] <Burgwork> _ion, will do
[12:35] <_ion> Thanks!
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[01:16] <MrFaber> just want to report that cpu scaling doesn't work with 686 kernel, only with 386 in Dapper, thx, and cu
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[01:36] <pschulz01> Test message
[01:36] <Lathiat> pschulz01: Sorry it didn't work
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[02:19] <_ion> I hadn't quite thinked the version numbering scheme for my packages through, so i changed it a bit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you had installed the packages from my repository earlier, please run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install {network-manager,nm-applet,libnm-util-0}'=0.6.1-0ubuntu*'
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[02:27] <Pygi> _ion: ping
[02:27] <_ion> pygi: Pong
[02:29] <Pygi> _ion: agreed, we'll setup a wiki page later today,ok?
[02:29] <_ion> pygi: Ok.
[02:29] <Pygi> _ion: when I come to IRC, we'll just agree on what to include there, and we'll write it, that shouldn't be a problem
[02:29] <_ion> Yep.
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[02:29] <Pygi> _ion: it's kinda too late now, but if you really want, we could do it even now?
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[02:30] <_ion> Later today is fine for me, i'm thinking of going to sleep soon. :-)
[02:30] <Pygi> _ion: o joy ;)
[02:30] <Pygi> _ion: just thinking ;)
[02:31] <_ion> Well, i'm considering watching some TV show before going to sleep. :-)
[02:31] <_ion> Oh, btw., i wrote this just before you joined: < _ion> I hadn't quite thinked the version numbering scheme for my packages through, so i changed it a bit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you had installed the packages from my repository earlier, please run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install {network-manager,nm-applet,libnm-util-0}'=0.6.1-0ubuntu*'
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[03:48] <jdub> Kamion: ping
[03:49] <jdub> Kamion: ping (now with payload, QA)
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[03:50] <mjg59> Almost have autodetection of screen resolution, though admittedly with a rather nasty elilo hack
[03:50] <jdub> mjg59: i am disappointed that all this hackery on the maccery hasn't resulted in more gargargar on your pigblog
[03:51] <mjg59> Pff
[03:52] <mjg59> I am not your dancing monkey, pony or bear
[03:54] <jdub> Bill odia a los nios!
[03:54] <jdub> oh
[03:54] <jdub> i totally misunderstood our relationship
[03:55] <_ion> I knew from the beginning that he refuses to dance.
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[04:01] <mgalvin> jdub: ping?
[04:02] <Kamion> jdub: ?
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[04:03] <Kamion> Woo. Disk selector.
[04:03] <Kamion> of course exactly what it'll do with only one disk present is still up for debate
[04:03] <jdub> mgalvin: pong! been wanting to catch up with you :)
[04:05] <mgalvin> jdub: hey, howdy!
[04:06] <mgalvin> jdub: you got my email i guess?
[04:07] <jdub> uh, not yet i don't think - like, very recent?
[04:07] <mgalvin> yea, the other day, like 2-3 days ago
[04:07] <jdub> oh
[04:07] <mgalvin> anyway, was just about getting on ubuntu planet
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[04:09] <jdub> mgalvin: oh yeah, you didn't include an rss url
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[04:11] <mgalvin> jdub: http://people.simplifiedcomplexity.com/~mgalvin/feed/
[04:11] <jdub> heh
[04:11] <jdub> that's a convincing start to your blog ;-)
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[04:15] <mgalvin> meh, a small start ;) i have been moving all my stuff on to a new server when i have time, i'll be chatty once the server move is done
[04:15] <jdub> i like the domain name
[04:16] <jdub> i've just updated the configs - next cron you'll b on
[04:16] <mgalvin> cool thanks! :)
[04:16] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: cool, add more doc people!
[04:17] <mgalvin> jdub: hey while i have you here, who do i poke about an @ubuntu.com email alias
[04:18] <jdub> mgalvin: elmo, i think (i thought the procedure was on the website, but that could be a brainfart)
[04:19] <mgalvin> ok, i will hit him up for that, thanks again!
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[09:12] <Burgundavia> jdub: do we have a strategy for installation reports?
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[09:12] <Burgundavia> jdub: people are mailing them to ubuntu-users
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[09:57] <Kamion> Burgundavia: ubuntu-users is not too bad for installation reports
[09:58] <Burgundavia> Kamion: don't they contain useful data that we would want to capture somewhere?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> I guess we need a hardware database before we can start channeling things like that to it
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[10:04] <Kamion> Burgundavia: for the most part the usefulness is more in terms of figuring out what bits need to be turned into bug reports
[10:06] <Burgundavia> Kamion: true. Maybe they should spat in LP support requests then?
[10:07] <Kamion> I'm not sure they map well for those
[10:07] <Kamion> just at the moment, mail is easiest
[10:07] <Kamion> people are mailing them to ubuntu-users@ because we tell them to, at the moment
[10:08] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:08] <infinity> I have issues with them on ubuntu-users for now, though an ubuntu-installer mailing list may become more appropriate as the team is forced to grow to ease Kamion's growing burden (and spread some knowlege around)
[10:08] <infinity> s/have issues/have no issues/
[10:09] <Burgundavia> ok, sounds good
[10:09] <Kamion> there are very few anyway
[10:09] <infinity> Having them auto-submit to a hardware databse is only useful when the install is actualy successful, and while we do want successful (and semi-sucessful) reports, the most useful reports are the complete and utter failures.
[10:10] <Burgundavia> successful install stories are good if we can setup a way for people to browse for specific pieces of hardware. That is a not an easy task and may not be worth the efoort
[10:13] <infinity> It can be done, but not for this release, I'm sure.
[10:14] <Burgundavia> we would need a backend before we can even start thinking about backends like that
[10:15] <Burgundavia> frontends, I mean
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[10:51] <sivang> morning all
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[12:02] <sivang> Burgundavia: worth a spec for sure
[12:03] <Burgundavia> sivang: better to tack it on to a an existing spec on hardware data capturing
[12:03] <sivang> Burgundavia: even better, yes.
[12:04] <sivang> Burgundavia: I'm working hard btw so you can see backup hotness ;-)
[12:05] <Burgundavia> very cool
[12:05] <Burgundavia> how is the rest of your life?
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[12:07] <sivang> Burgundavia: mostly revolves around this cool project which I hope to deliver soon, my dayjob and a a couple of hours's rest in the weekend, catching up a comdey act once in few weeks.
[12:07] <sivang> Burgundavia: anh in the remaining time, my gf.
[12:08] <sivang> Burgundavia: (we were in a good show last night, sort of andy kaufman's type of humor, adopted to Israel current affairs , colors and ethinc groups)
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[12:19] <Kinnison> Remind me never to party with ddaa again
[12:19] <Kinnison> Nor to let jblack buy me "a" drink
[12:21] <mpt> haha
[12:21] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: heh
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[12:21] <Kinnison> mpt: I feel fine
[12:21] <mpt> It was a very *pretty* row of drinks ...
[12:21] <Kinnison> mpt: I just didn't wake up until nearly 10
[12:22] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: I haven't gone to bed yet, so...
[12:22] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: *g*
[12:22] <mpt> Kinnison, so you're not the Launchpadder who is reportedly still in the throes of throwing up?
[12:22] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: We drank the bar out of absinthe and curaao
[12:22] <Kinnison> mpt: god no, I never vomit from alcohol
[12:22] <Pygi> _ion: awake? ;)
[12:22] <mpt> Maybe it's ddaa
[12:23] <Kinnison> perhaps. He did drink a *lot* of absinthe
[12:23] <Robot101> Kinnison: nor me, just the blood poisoning the next day.... :P
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[12:23] <Kinnison> Robot101: as I said, I feel fine, no bad head, no aches, no UDIs just didn't wake up until 10 and that's unusual for me
[12:23] <mpt> Some people get their kicks from alcohol ... I get my kicks from watching the effect of alcohol on others ;-)
[12:24] <tseng> mpt++
[12:24] <Kinnison> mpt: I enjoy that too, most of the time that's what I do. Last night I decided I wanted to be the one being laughed at. It was fun
[12:24] <Burgundavia> ugh. I had to excort a roommates friend home tonight, after my roommate (female) and her fought
[12:24] <Kinnison> mpt: So you enjoyed Maominoes?
[12:25] <mpt> Kinnison, generally yes, though I was annoyed by the inconsistency in the way the rules treated what the value of a domino half was
[12:25] <mpt> i.e. face value vs. effect
[12:26] <mpt> Thanks for bringing them to the workshop :-)
[12:26] <Burgundavia> are you lot someone for an LP sprint?
[12:26] <Kinnison> mpt: there was no inconsistency, just the subtleties of is/matches/acts-like and free ends versus closed ends
[12:27] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: Yes, this week just gone was the first of two weeks of LP hacksprinting.
[12:27] <sivang> Kinnison: what was the party reason? how did ddaa manage it? :-)
[12:27] <Kinnison> sivang: landing the huge (> 21,000 line diff) soyuz patch into mainline launchpad
[12:27] <sivang> Kinnison: oh god
[12:28] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: And this was the week of Canonical prototype seven tile double-fifteen maominoes
[12:30] <Pygi> _ion: Don't tell me you are sleepin' again? ;)
[12:31] <sivang> Kinnison: (> 21,000) is huge. did pqm like it? :p
[12:31] <Kinnison> sivang: eventually
[12:31] <sivang> hehe
[12:31] <Kinnison> Anyway, it's 11:30 and I have to check out by 12:00 so I need to go, pay the bar tab, and head home
[12:31] <Kinnison> I get to sleep in my own bed tonight \o/
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[12:32] <zyga> sivang: hi
[12:32] <zyga> sivang: do you have a moment?
[12:32] <Kinnison> ciau
[12:32] <zyga> in u-desktop
[12:35] <sivang> ciau Kinnison 
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[12:59] <Pygi> _ion: please do wake up ^^
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[01:52] <pitti> Kamion: yay, no promotions in anastacia any more ;)
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[02:09] <Mithrandir> why does ejecting a cd-rom say "writing data to device $dev"?
[02:10] <tseng> Mithrandir: thats been fixed according to changelog
[02:10] <tseng> it is meant for unmounting usb flash only
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[02:36] <pitti> Mithrandir: hm, does that still happen with the latest nautilus version?
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[02:45] <hendry> I just did a update with dapper
[02:46] <hendry> and I restarted the computer as suggested. And it hasn't restarted. It frozen on "Checking battery state"
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[02:59] <Fjodor> Hey. I noticed a considerable slowdown when running seti@home on my amd64-system and a 64bit seti client. So far, I think I have found the error to be a missing patch to glibc a la http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-376943.html from gentoo. I might be able to create a patch for ubuntu glibc, but would you guys be receptive to such a patch?
[03:06] <pitti> Fjodor: if the patch is reasonably obvious and nonintrusive, and does not change the API and ABI, then it has a very good change to be adopted
[03:07] <pitti> Fjodor: and thanks in advance for that effort!
[03:07] <Fjodor> Goody. I run breezy here, but I would suspect it to be a change for dapper. Is that correct?
[03:10] <pitti> Fjodor: right
[03:11] <pitti> Fjodor: we won't change these things in stable releases, it's just too risky
[03:11] <Fjodor> Seems reasonable. Time to make a new chroot with dapper then
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[04:55] <Pygi> _ion: ping
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[05:32] <_ion> pygi: Good morning. :-)
[05:32] <Pygi> _ion: yes, yes, good Mornin'
[05:34] <Pygi> let's discuss it
[05:34] <Pygi> _ion: pm
[05:41] <Fjodor> As discussed with pitti, I would like do make some changes to glibc and send a patch your way, but how do I go about extracting the source after apt-get source glibc? I am rather new to debian/ubuntu
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[05:42] <crimsun> it's already extracted if you use apt-get source
[05:44] <infinity> Fjodor: "debian/rules unpack"
[05:44] <infinity> crimsun: glibc is tarball-in-tarball, so it's not quite unpacked when you unpack it. :)
[05:44] <Toadstool> crimsun: it depends, some packages such as glibc (IIRC) contain the debian dir and a tarball dir with upstream tarballs
[05:45] <crimsun> I stand corrected
[05:45] <Kamion> debian/rules unpack^Wextract^Wpatch^Wapply-patches^Wstampdir/patch^Wpatch-apply^Woh-god-I-want-to-die
[05:45] <infinity> Fjodor: And ater the "unpack", "debian/rules patch" if you want to apply all the patches in debian/patches.
[05:46] <infinity> Kamion: Win'n'Pen is waiting for a hacker to implement (and frickin' ship) it...
[05:46] <Kamion> people could freaking agree on ONE TARGET NAME without that
[05:47] <infinity> Kamion: Also, you forgot the oh-so-intuitive DBSism of "source.make"
[05:47] <Kamion> infinity: and also make -f debian/sys-build.mk whatever-it-is
[05:47] <Kamion> or is it debian/scripts/sys-build.mk? don't know, don't care
[05:47] <infinity> That's "source.make"
[05:48] <Kamion> what gets me is that I've never *once* seen a package that aliases any of the other common target names
[05:48] <infinity> I saw one just the other day, actually.
[05:48] <Kamion> just that would improve usability of source packages so much, without anyone having to give up their pet name
[05:48] <Kamion> oh, which one? I need to send its maintainer flowers
[05:49] <infinity> I'll let you know when I see it again. :)
[05:49] <Fjodor> Thanks
[05:50] <infinity> Kamion: It had extract/unpack as aliases, and patch/dopatch, and something else.
[05:50] <infinity> Kamion: No source.make, but I can't imagine that's ever anyone's first try.
[05:50] <infinity> Kamion: My MO when lazy is usually just to do "debian/rules build" and hit Ctrl-C... <smirk>
[05:52] <infinity> Kamion: I could deal with an optional (but strongly recommended) "debian/rules help" that explains WTF the build system does.
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[05:53] <infinity> Kamion: Might be nice to explain your interesting pet targets for debian/control regeneration, unpacking source, updating upstream stuff, blah blah.
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[05:57] <infinity> Kamion: Perhaps if dh_make included a templated help target that explains the default rules, it would prompt people to add their custom rules to said output.
[05:57] <Kamion> might not hurt ...
[05:58] <infinity> (And, sneaking it into dh_make would make it a defacto standard over time, allowing for a policy amendment; see, I'm clever sometimes)
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[08:03] <netstar> gstreamer on PPC is slooooooooooooooooow
[08:03] <netstar> we're talking 99% CPU
[08:06] <LaserJock> hmm, sound like fun :(
[08:06] <netstar> not at all
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[08:14] <pagux> hello can I ask a shell scripting  issue in  this channel ?
[08:14] <pagux> i am writting a small script ...on ubuntu 5.10
[08:14] <pagux> how can put result of a command into an variable?
[08:15] <pagux> $count =/opt/lampp | wc -l    -> does not work ?
[08:15] <LaserJock> pagux: you are writing a Debian and Ubuntu 5.10 shell script at the same time? ;-)
[08:15] <netstar> Any PPC users?
[08:15] <pagux> i want to count of files in paerticular to be put in an variable
[08:16] <highvoltage> netstar: yes, there are hundreds and thousands
[08:16] <netstar> Ha
[08:16] <netstar> Are you running Dapper on ppc?
[08:17] <LaserJock> pagux: does $count =`/opt/lampp | wc -l` work?
[08:18] <pagux> no it displays ->/opt/lampp | wc -l rather than output of command
[08:18] <_ion> pagux: You should read some scripting tutorial. No offence, but everything in that example is wrong (assuming you mean sh scripting). :-)
[08:18] <highvoltage> netstar: nope, i run on i386
[08:19] <highvoltage> netstar: i'm sure you'll find some on #ubuntu?
[08:19] <pagux> actully i am writting a install script for xampp
[08:19] <netstar> I need some Dapper users
[08:19] <netstar> gstreamer is mush on my machine
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[08:22] <Fjodor> My glibc is now changed to include the amd patches, and I have made a diff with diff -Naurp build-tree buildtree.patched. Where do I send it?
[08:22] <highvoltage> pagux: why do you need a script to install it? it's just a tarball that you extract and it works?
[08:23] <LaserJock> netstar: you could try #ubuntu+1 I suppose
[08:23] <netstar> thanks yeah
[08:23] <netstar> should've thought
[08:23] <wasabi_> Why would hte name of a directory result in anything?
[08:23] <wasabi_> /opt/lampp
[08:24] <wasabi_> isn't it?
[08:24] <pagux> highvoltage: bcos it only works  when extracted in /opt/lampp  directory
[08:25] <pagux> wasabi_: i want to check there was a previous xampp installation in yes then back it up
[08:26] <wasabi_> You want to check if the directory EXISTS?
[08:26] <wasabi_> Or if it has files in it?
[08:26] <pagux> both 
[08:26] <wasabi_> Well, small explaination. wc -l counts the number of lines that are piped to it.
[08:26] <wasabi_> Try this:
[08:26] <wasabi_> echo 1 | wc -l
[08:29] <_ion> Has anyone (with madwifi hardware) tested the patched linux-restricted-modules package yet?
[08:30] <pagux> i know that ...i want to count no files in an directory ....thats working ...but I want store this value into an variable 
[08:31] <pagux> count='ls /etc | wc -l';echo $count ->> not working 
[08:33] <_ion> How about reading some scripting tutorial, and reading others' scripts?
[08:36] <pagux> _ion: if you  solution then tell it otherwise .... ;-)
[08:37] <Pygi> _ion: heh, you are alive ;)
[08:37] <Pygi> _ion: Seveas *is* testing
[08:37] <_ion> Somewhat. :-)
[08:37] <_ion> Nice.
[08:38] <pagux> i got the solution 
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[09:01] <Seveas> I'm seeing lots of names of people I don't know on the dapper-changes list
[09:01] <Seveas> people who aren't in any launchpad teams either
[09:01] <HiddenPuppy> yeah
[09:01] <Seveas> How is that possible?
[09:03] <Seveas> Maintainer: Sam Pohlenz <retrix@internode.on.net>
[09:03] <Seveas> Changed-By: Sam Pohlenz <retrix@internode.on.net>
[09:04] <Seveas> Maintainer: Francesco Paolo Lovergine <frankie@debian.org>
[09:04] <Seveas> Changed-By: Jeremie Corbier <jeremie.corbier@resel.enst-bretagne.fr>
[09:04] <LaserJock> People upload for other people
[09:05] <Seveas> Then how are they authenticated?
[09:05] <LaserJock> A motu or core-dev signs them
[09:05] <Seveas> ah
[09:05] <LaserJock> but they don't touch the actual packaging, and hence the changelog
[09:05] <Seveas> interesting
[09:07] <Seveas> I really think the name of the person who signs/uploads it should be visible in either the changelog or in the mail to dapper-changes
[09:08] <LaserJock> I think you can get that info other places perhaps
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[09:10] <LaserJock> Seveas: In reality I don't know if it really matters much with team maintainance. If there is a problem them I suppose there is a log of who uploaded somewhere.
[09:11] <Seveas> well, in case of theings being uploaded for non-developers the uploader takes responsibility
[09:12] <LaserJock> sure
[09:12] <LaserJock> but the non-developer did the work
[09:13] <LaserJock> but I can definately see both sides of the argument. It is the same way in Debian though
[09:16] <ajmitch> Seveas: every mail on dapper-changes will be signed by the uploader
[09:17] <ajmitch> so it's esay to check who uploaded 
[09:18] <Seveas> ah, nice
[09:18] <Seveas> thanks
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[09:22] <Fjodor> I talked to pitti about patching glibc with some amd64 patches. I have done so now, and am ready to hand over the patch to you guys. Where do I send it?
[09:30] <Seveas> try pitti ;)
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[09:32] <Fjodor> Nice idea Seveas :-), but I don't have his address, and he isn't online. Do any of you know him?
[09:33] <Seveas> Fjodor, martin.pitt(a)ubuntu.com
[09:34] <Fjodor> Thanks
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[09:38] <_lemsx1_> how can i fix this? 
[09:38] <_lemsx1_> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx=6.9.0-8.23.7+2.6.15.7-1
[09:38] <_lemsx1_> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa' with
[09:38] <_lemsx1_>   different file `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', not allowed
[09:38] <_lemsx1_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.9.0-8.23.7+2.6.15.7-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[09:39] <Seveas> _lemsx1_, first remove all fglrx packages then install what you want
[09:39] <mjg59> _lemsx1_: I'd suggest not trying to install old packages on a different release
[09:39] <Seveas> _lemsx1_, and #ubuntu-devel is NOT for support - please go to #ubuntu
[09:40] <_lemsx1_> Seveas: i was planning to open a bug... just wanted to make sure
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[09:40] <Seveas> _lemsx1_, this is probably because you do things you shouldn't (installing non-Ubuntu packages), which will only be rejected in the bugtracker
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[11:16] <_ion> seveas: Sorry for bugging you again, but have you been able to test the n-m stuff with madwifi yet?
[11:16] <Pygi> _ion: I asked...
[11:16] <_ion> Ok.
[11:16] <Pygi> _ion: he's working on ubugtu
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[11:17] <Pygi> _ion: let's stop buggin' people around for now ;) at least until *yours* later tommorow
[11:19] <Pygi> _ion: agreed? ^_^
[11:19] <_ion> Yep. :-)
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[11:23] <_ion> seveas: Just in case you didn't notice this the last time i mentioned it on this channel: < _ion> I hadn't quite thinked the version numbering scheme for my packages through, so i changed it a bit. I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you had installed the packages from my repository earlier, please run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install {network-manager,nm-applet,libnm-util-0}'=0.6.1-0ubuntu*'
[11:24] <Seveas> _ion, that explains the lack of updates :D
[11:24] <Pygi> Seveas: hehe ;)
[11:24] <Seveas> anyway, since Ubugtu is quite broken now I can't test
[11:25] <Pygi> Seveas: no problem at all...take your time ;)
[11:25] <LaserJock> Our beloved Ubugtu! Broken? :(
[11:26] <Seveas> yeah, I'm trying to correct the debian bug handling (which was quite broken)
[11:26] <_ion> In what language is Ubugtu written, btw.?
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[11:27] <Seveas> python
[11:27] <LaserJock> I hope him/her/it makes it through the surgery ok ;-)
[11:27] <Pygi> _ion: lemme guess...python perhaps ? ;)
[11:27] <Seveas> he will
[11:27] <_ion> Ok.
[11:27] <Pygi> joy, seveas was faster :-P
[11:27] <Seveas> and in a few hours he'll also understand trac
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[11:39] <nekohayo> I think the remote desktop server crashes when someone tries to connect in dapper, could anyone try to confirm this so I file a bug if there isn't one yet?
[11:40] <dotwaffle> nekohayo: doesn't happen here (assuming vnc)
[11:40] <dotwaffle> nekohayo: just logged in, no trouble (using Chicken of the VNC on OSX)
[11:41] <nekohayo> yeah, well the gnome remote desktop thing
[11:41] <dotwaffle> nekohayo: you mean to connect to ubuntu or to connect from ubuntu to something else?
[11:41] <nekohayo> connect to ubuntu using vncnviewer or tsclient or anything
[11:41] <dotwaffle> works fine here :(
[11:42] <nekohayo> I see this in my .xsession-errors file o_O: +1142720916.875581 Session manager: gsm-remote-desktop.c:107: remote desktop server died, restarting
[11:43] <nekohayo> oh! it works the other way around
[11:43] <nekohayo> I'm assuming it is XGL's fault
[11:44] <nekohayo> what should I file the bug against, xserver-xgl or the remote desktop tool?
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[11:58] <Seveas> why oh why is the debian bts sucking so hard...
[11:58] <Seveas> </rant>