[12:08] <mdke> mm?
[12:10] <mdke> a link in the header to malone might work for what qgil was talking about
[12:10] <Burgwork> mdke, I was concerned about having doc.ubuntu.com being indexed and people linking to it
[12:12] <mdke> Burgwork, i dunno. having it indexed is an advantage from the point of view of people finding it and learning to contribute. it depends on whether there is sufficient clarity about what the site is
[12:13] <Burgwork> the name doesn't lend itself to that
[12:13] <mdke> no, the name doesn't
[12:13] <mdke> it would have to be done in the header
[12:14] <Burgwork> what about something like scratchpad.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <LaserJock> I wonder if something like a guestbook type wiki page on doc. for feedback would be good
[12:14] <LaserJock> where people can add notes
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[12:16] <LaserJock> yeah, that sure would be nice
[12:16] <LaserJock> that would be ideal for when move the wiki, I think
[12:16] <LaserJock> when we move, I mean
[12:17] <mdke> docteam.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <Burgwork> sure, that works great
[12:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I like that
[12:17] <mdke> as for feedback, i don't think we should add anything to help.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <mdke> each doc should have a link to the bugtracker
[12:18] <mdke> but for doc.ubuntu.com, a link in the header bar would be nice
[12:18] <Burgwork> sure, that works
[12:18] <mdke> docs already have links to the bugtracker in the "feedback" section, tbh, i don't think we should go any further for help.u.c
[12:24] <LaserJock> trappist: ping?
[05:14] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille
[05:14] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia 
[05:16] <Burgundavia> how much css do you know?
[05:22] <Kyral> CSS humwha?
[05:23] <robotgeek> hey all
[05:28] <robitaille> Burgundavia: have been known to do the odd web page using css.
[05:29] <Madpilot> hi all
[05:30] <Burgundavia> ah Madpilot, you are the person I am looking for
[05:30] <Burgundavia> I am beating my head against css in moin
[05:30] <Madpilot> am I?
[05:30] <Madpilot> sounds like fun
[05:30] <Madpilot> got a link?
[05:30] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Desktop
[05:30] <Burgundavia> can you make the text top justify in those tables?
[05:31] <Madpilot> let me look at it after I eat
[05:32] <Burgundavia> bah, eating :)
[05:47] <Burgundavia> hmm, javascript is simply not working in epiphany right now
[05:47] <Burgundavia> nor is search on the location bar. Wonder if they are related
[05:50] <robotgeek> i just caught the log of the meeting. looks like a fun meeting
[05:55] <LaserJock> robotgeek: it was
[05:55] <robotgeek> cool
[05:59] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco 
[05:59] <jsgotangco> hey!
[05:59] <jsgotangco> long time no chat (i've been away)
[06:00] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: how is going? 
[06:00] <robotgeek> last time i spoke to you, you asked me about a sanskrit name
[06:00] <jsgotangco> pretty good just catching up with work
[06:02] <jsgotangco> i've been catching up on emails but barely
[06:02] <jsgotangco> next week would be saner
[06:02] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: cool
[06:02] <jsgotangco> so are we extending?
[06:02] <robotgeek> LaserJock: was it dhelp you were talking about last week
[06:02] <robotgeek> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-03-17.html is meeting log
[06:03] <robotgeek> looks like we have +2 weeks
[06:03] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, you're one of our mailing list admins, right?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:03] <jsgotangco> something got stuck?
[06:03] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, just wanted to confirm that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact - the bit I added about non-subscribers sending to the list - was actually accurate
[06:03] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:04] <LaserJock> robotgeek: dhelp, although it doesn't work with the Ubuntu docs. only dwww and doc-central
[06:10] <jsgotangco> is anyone using ekiga here?
[06:11] <Burgundavia> nope, but I was forced to use skype this morning
[06:11] <robotgeek> work on ppc?
[06:11] <Burgundavia> their UI is total bong
[06:11] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: in the default install
[06:11] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: i'm kubuntu
[06:11] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:11] <Burgundavia> default ubuntu install, so yes
[06:11] <jsgotangco> i want to try my installation
[06:12] <jsgotangco> just in case jerome@ekiga.net
[06:12] <robotgeek> lemme install :)
[06:14] <Burgundavia> bugger
[06:15] <Burgundavia> it gave me burgercorey@ekiga.net, not coreyburger@ekiga.net
[06:15] <jsgotangco> can i try it on you?
[06:15] <Burgundavia> sure, let me setup ekiga
[06:16] <jsgotangco> i registered pretty early so i got a neat name
[06:17] <Burgundavia> call me
[06:17] <Burgundavia> my sound is borked however
[06:18] <jsgotangco> it doesnt seem to connect
[06:19] <Burgundavia> says you are offline
[06:19] <jsgotangco> it says you're online
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hemmmmm
[06:20] <jsgotangco> wonder if i have to set anything to my router
[06:20] <Burgundavia> we are connected, did you just hear me?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> my sound card is borked right now
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i didnt hear anything
[06:21] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, this install is so borked. It is actually a flight3 install
[06:21] <Burgundavia> I was so busy with the book I didn't get a chance to ever test flight4
[06:21] <jsgotangco> i'll check my settings first
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hmm why does it say im offline
[06:23] <Burgundavia> I am still connected to you
[06:23] <Burgundavia> ok, ekiga's UI is still bong
[06:23] <Burgundavia> audio transmission status???
[06:23] <Burgundavia> how about "mute sound"
[06:23] <jsgotangco> i just turned it off
[06:24] <Burgundavia> and where is my hangup button?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> did you receive a message?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> ekk timeout
[06:24] <jsgotangco> wtf
[06:24] <jsgotangco> skype just works
[06:24] <Burgundavia> how does skype do it?
[06:25] <Burgundavia> I had to turn on upnp on my router
[06:25] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: ping 
[06:25] <jsgotangco> i didnt do anything at all
[06:25] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: I am connected to you
[06:25] <Burgundavia> I really love the little lego brick button that changes the UI
[06:25] <Burgundavia> that is the best bong hit of this whole application
[06:25] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: can yo uhear me tho?
[06:26] <Madpilot> you figure the devs smoked up before working on this thing, Burgundavia? :P
[06:26] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: what's your ekiga account
[06:26] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: venkatraghavan@ekiga.net
[06:26] <robotgeek> it says yo uare offline
[06:27] <jsgotangco> this is bong
[06:27] <jsgotangco> i could log in but people dont see me
[06:27] <robotgeek> it did connecy
[06:28] <Burgundavia> I got through to jsgotangco and robotgeek
[06:28] <robotgeek> yeah, but i don't think i'm able to speak
[06:29] <Burgundavia> I have a nasty bug that prevents all sound from being played, so I could test that
[06:30] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: can you hear me?
[06:30] <jsgotangco> nope
[06:31] <jsgotangco> i always get a timeout
[06:31] <jsgotangco> crap
[06:31] <robotgeek> lemme test my sound, beb
[06:31] <robotgeek> brb
[06:33] <jsgotangco> how will i konw if i am online?
[06:36] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: it says you are offline, maybe problem is at my end
[06:37] <jsgotangco> on my part it says Registration failed: Timeout
[06:37] <robotgeek> ah, okay. 
[06:38] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: how come you are able to call me, but i am not able to call you
[06:39] <jsgotangco> not sure if my router needs some configuring, im sure it should allow me
[06:40] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is sad. There has been no discussions of the user interface for several months
[06:40] <Burgundavia> guess they were working on the backend
[06:40] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: did you atleast get my text messages?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> it should say on status if im offline or not
[06:41] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: send another one, I am not certain
[06:41] <jsgotangco> loopback
[06:41] <jsgotangco> try calling to 500@ekiga.net
[06:42] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: it connects
[06:43] <jsgotangco> that's the loopback
[06:44] <jsgotangco> i think i know my issue
[06:45] <jsgotangco> what a pain to make this work
[06:45] <jsgotangco> you should not have "symmetric NAT"
[06:45] <jsgotangco> instead, you should have cone or port restricted
[06:46] <robotgeek> same thing, i guess
[06:47] <jsgotangco> im just going to sleep first
[06:47] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:47] <robotgeek> later
[08:26] <Burgundavia> hmm, the moin install on the website supports html and the wiki doesn't
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: ping
[08:29] <Madpilot> hmmm?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> I am thinking about the main ubuntu page
[08:32] <Madpilot> and?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> it challenging to edit the main page with out knowing what it is going to look at
[08:36] <Madpilot> huh? was that English? :P
[08:38] <Burgundavia> I am watching Indiana Jones. One is not required to speak good english while watching an action flick
[08:40] <Madpilot> heh
[08:41] <robitaille> I watched the Truman Show tonight...my english doesn't seem to have improved or worsen because of it...
[08:43] <robotgeek> writing dtd also :)
[09:20] <mdke> morning
[09:20] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[09:20] <mdke> Burgundavia, you can create a page on the website to test.
[09:21] <mdke> start it with "#acl All:"
[09:21] <mdke> i think that should make it invisible to all but those on the master thing
[09:22] <Burgundavia> mdke: hmm, ok
[09:22] <Burgundavia> I will email henrik tomorrow and confirm that
[09:23] <mdke> or ask him to put the HTML parser on the normal wiki :) 
[09:23] <Burgundavia> that too
[09:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, "our machine page" - you still watching bad movies while you type?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> huh? where did I post that?
[09:30] <Madpilot> your email just now about revamping the main website
[09:30] <Madpilot> I think you meant "main page", but I'm not at all sure :P
[09:31] <Burgundavia> probably
[09:31] <Madpilot> heh
[09:32] <Burgundavia> I pushed around words most of the day for our Enterprise Services presentation. I am not surprised I am making mistakes now
[09:37] <robotgeek> i'm trying to hack a status page with "support" for subsections and stuff
[09:38] <robotgeek> looks like i need to modify the xsl
[09:38] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: for the actual in-svn docs?
[09:39] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: the current xsl used to make the xml removes all support for distinguishing between chapters, sections and subsections
[09:41] <Burgundavia> hmm, sure that makes sense, but my brain doesn't want to compute ti right now
[09:41] <robotgeek> okay, i am going to bed. 
[09:42] <robotgeek> i'll take a look at this, seems doable even to me
[09:54] <Burgundavia> hmm, interesting
[09:55] <Burgundavia> if you google for $distro + laptop, nobody but linspire has got a page about how great $distro is on a laptop
[09:55] <Madpilot> ???
[09:57] <Burgundavia> both fedora and ubuntu have their forums listed first
[10:09] <dsas> is the html for help.ubuntu.com stored in svn?
[10:13] <Madpilot> Oh, that's interesting - in our SVN - specifically teamstuff/artwork - the Ubuntu circle logo is quite different from the current one... odd
[10:13] <Burgundavia> how so?
[10:14] <Madpilot> compare teamstuff/artwork/ubuntu.svg to one of the current logos from the website - the outer circles are much smaller and the three-part main circle is much larger in proportion
[10:15] <Burgundavia> can you find a newer copy and nuke the copy in our repos?
[10:15] <Madpilot> sure
[10:17] <Madpilot> left-hand logo is from our SVN, right is from wiki artwork page: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/two-logos.png
[10:21] <Madpilot> does that artwork stuff actually get used at all?
[10:22] <Madpilot> the various docs have their own image directories
[10:27] <Madpilot> is there an SVN command to display when something was first added to the repo?
[10:29] <Madpilot> nevermind, 'svn log' works
[02:45] <ompaul> In  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto there is a suggestion of this at the top of the page sudo -s then the fakeroot stuff is explored any ideas on which way to run with this?
[07:10] <LaserJock> hi all
[07:10] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock 
[07:12] <LaserJock> how's it going highvoltage ?
[07:31] <highvoltage> LaserJock: doin' ok
[07:31] <highvoltage> you?
[07:32] <LaserJock> busy, but ok I think
[07:33] <highvoltage> heh, that sounds familiar. i don't have time to think about 'how i am' :)
[07:36] <LaserJock> lol, I know the feeling
[08:47] <LaserJock> hi mdke!
[09:45] <LaserJock> hi manicka 
[09:48] <manicka> hi
[11:11] <LaserJock> hi trappist 
[11:21] <trappist> heya LaserJock 
[11:33] <LaserJock> trappist: did you see that the iptables bug was closed?
[11:34] <trappist> I didn't.  cool :)