[01:44] <bddebian> Hey gang
[01:44] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[01:47] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:31] <jdong> why doesn't our mail-notification applet do Evolution?
[03:31] <Kyral> Because Evolution does itself...
[03:32] <jdong> Kyral: tray icon notification for Evolution?
[03:32] <jdong> Kyral: since when?
[03:32] <Kyral> I hink there is an option
[03:32] <Kyral> or am I hinking Sylpheed?
[03:32] <jdong> Kyral: I think you are
[03:32] <Kyral> heh
[03:32] <jdong> Kyral: Evolution has nothing whatsoever for tray notifying
[03:33] <jdong> it does have a "beep" or "play sound", and a "dbus notify" plugin that mail-notification is SUPPOSED to read ;-)
[03:33] <jdong> wait a sec... I think it's just that we don't build-dep on Evolution libs
[03:39] <jdong> checking for the Evolution source tree directory... /usr/include/evolution-2.6/
[03:39] <jdong> checking for /usr/include/evolution-2.6//mail/em-event.h... yes
[03:39] <jdong> checking for /usr/include/evolution-2.6//mail/em-folder-tree.h... yes
[03:39] <jdong> checking for /usr/include/evolution-2.6//mail/mail-component.h... yes
[03:39] <jdong> checking for /usr/include/evolution-2.6//mail/mail-tools.h... yes
[03:39] <jdong> checking for EVOLUTION_PLUGIN_CFLAGS...
[03:39] <jdong> checking for EVOLUTION_PLUGIN_LIBS...
[03:39] <jdong> configure: Evolution not found: forcing --disable-evolution
[03:39] <jdong> grr
[03:39] <Erlang> jdong: KILL IT!
[03:41] <jdong> geez it wants the entire evo source dir
[03:47] <jdong> so, hackjob, anyone?
[03:49] <jdong> jdong@shuttle:~/junk/mail-notification-2.0.dfsg.1$ bzr diff
[03:49] <jdong> [03:49] <jdong> --- a/configure
[03:49] <jdong> +++ b/configure
[03:49] <jdong> @@ -24859,7 +24859,7 @@
[03:49] <jdong>         evolution_plugindir=""
[03:49] <jdong>         { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: Evolution not found: forcing --disable-evolution" >&5
[03:49] <jdong>  echo "$as_me: Evolution not found: forcing --disable-evolution" >&6;}
[03:49] <jdong> -enable_evolution=no
[03:49] <jdong> +enable_evolution=yes
[03:49] <jdong>  disable_evolution_reason="(Evolution not found)"
[03:49] <jdong>  fi
[03:49] <jdong> MUAHAHA
[03:49] <jdong>   --enable-evolution           yes (Evolution not found)
[03:49] <jdong> hehe
[03:53] <jdong> and I give up
[03:57] <jdong> oh, patch
[03:58] <jdong> apparently they do not support evolution >2.2 without a patch
[03:58] <jdong> damn them to eternal hell!
[03:58] <jdong> (or KDE)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> no!
[03:58] <Hobbsee> damn them to gnome!
[03:58] <jdong> lol
[03:58] <Hobbsee>  /flamewar
[03:59] <Hobbsee> gnome crashed on me today :(
[03:59] <jdong> KDE crapped on me today :(
[03:59] <Erlang> GNOME pukes on me everyday... ?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> well, actually, i think it was my wireless card that caused the entire system to crash, but i'll blame it on gnome anyway!
[03:59] <jdong> (just kidding, guys... I'm pretty neutral between GNOME/KDE)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:59] <jdong> I've been loving the GNOME improvements recently though
[04:00] <Erlang> jdong: We all try to look neutral but deep in our hearth we wish KDE or GNOME should die, depending on witch side we are...
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:01] <Erlang> witch side... oootypo
[04:07] <Kyral> I just wish people would drop the damn war
[04:08] <Erlang> Religious wars are there to stay.
[04:25] <LaserJock> hi all!
[04:26] <Erlang> lo
[04:26] <dolson> hi LaserJock
[05:00] <bmonty> anyone having issues with launchpad timing out?
[05:01] <bmonty> nevermind, its working now
[05:01] <LaserJock> only if I try to open up like 10 bug reports at once
[05:02] <LaserJock> anybody got a 64bit proc?
[05:03] <LaserJock> I need somebody to see if they can install yacas on a 64-bit arch.
[05:06] <Erlang> LaserJock: trying.
[05:08] <Erlang> LaserJock: It installs and runs here... need more infos?
[05:08] <LaserJock> Erlang: it is for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/yacas/+bug/2988
[05:10] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what they meant by Ubuntu/EMT64 but I assume AMD64
[05:10] <Erlang> Works fine here on AMD64.
[05:11] <Erlang> Dapper, AMD64
[05:11] <LaserJock> Erlang: ok, I'm going to close it and tell them if it really doesn't work they can reopen the bug ;-)
[05:11] <LaserJock> Erlang: thanks
[05:13] <Erlang> np
[05:25] <bmonty> LaserJock: ping
[05:26] <mgalvin> bmonty: thanks for uploading the munin fix :)
[05:26] <bmonty> mgalvin: np...its bug day after all :)
[05:28] <bmonty> LaserJock: nevermind
[05:29] <minghua> bug day, hmm...
[05:30] <bmonty> hi minghua
[05:31] <minghua> hi bmonty
[05:54] <LaserJock> hi minghua bmonty
[05:54] <bmonty> wb LaserJock
[05:55] <Kyral> night MOTUish people
[05:55] <LaserJock> cya Kyral
[05:55] <minghua> hi LaserJock and good night Kyral
[05:57] <bmonty> cya Kyral
[05:59] <ajmitch> hi
[06:01] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[06:03] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[06:06] <bmonty> LaserJock: you working on stellarium?
[06:09] <LaserJock> bmonty: not at the moment
[06:09] <LaserJock> bmonty: working on fv, started as a .desktop now it is a FTBFS :(
[06:11] <bmonty> LaserJock: doh, I hate that
[06:11] <bmonty> I'll take care of stellarium
[06:11] <LaserJock> bmonty: well, the good new is that I found a patch for the FTBFS on the Debian BTS
[06:12] <bmonty> hmm...you got off easy :)
[06:12] <LaserJock> I know. I almost feel like I cheated
[06:16] <bmonty> we recently got a new version of gnupg in breezy and dapper, right?
[06:17] <crimsun> yes, 1.4.2.2~
[06:18] <bmonty> I seem to be having issues with evolution freezing when it calls gpg to verify signatures
[06:19] <LaserJock> bummer
[06:19] <crimsun> sorry, I use gnupg via mutt
[06:19] <LaserJock> and I use thunderbird
[06:19] <LaserJock> and if nobody is looking Mail.app ;-)
[06:24] <bmonty> LaserJock: you have an idea what the GenericName and Comment in the .desktop file should be for stellarium?
[06:25] <LaserJock> hmm it is a planetarium
[06:26] <LaserJock> http://stellarium.sourceforge.net/ is the home page ;-)
[06:30] <bmonty> Commet=LaserJock's waste of CPU
[06:30] <bmonty> :)
[06:31] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't waste CPU, I have pbuilding to do ;-)
[06:31] <LaserJock> although that would be kinda funny
[06:33] <bmonty> ...and of course it is FTBFS :(
[06:34] <LaserJock> hmm, well my patch didn't seem to work :(
[06:35] <LaserJock> hmm, actually the patch *did* work. it just still FTBFS
[06:36] <bmonty> heh...figures
[06:37] <bmonty> is there a build log in launchpad that shows the queue for the buildd's in launchpad?
[06:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:37] <bmonty> URL?
[06:38] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds maybe?
[06:39] <bmonty> its there...not as good as the old list though
[06:41] <LaserJock> I never saw the old list
[06:42] <LaserJock> hmm, this doesn't sound good, " make[1] : *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop."
[06:43] <bmonty> LaserJock: http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi
[06:44] <LaserJock> bmonty: hmm, that is nice
[06:53] <LaserJock> hmm, how do you redirect stderr?
[06:53] <G0SUB> 3>
[06:53] <minghua> I think stderr is 2
[06:54] <LaserJock> so $2?
[06:54] <G0SUB> agh!
[06:54] <G0SUB> 2>
[06:54] <minghua> no, just command 2> file-to-keep-stderr-output
[06:54] <LaserJock> thanks
[06:54] <G0SUB> app > output 2> err
[06:57] <LaserJock> dang it, I think I'm going to let the DDs take care of this one :(
[06:57] <LaserJock> I'll send the .desktop patch their way though
[07:01] <bmonty> ok, bug day is officially over here
[07:02] <bmonty> good night everyone
[07:02] <LaserJock> yikes, although apparently the fv maintainer died :(
[07:02] <LaserJock> cya bmonty
[07:07] <LaserJock> ok, I'm out too. good night everybody!
[07:10] <minghua> night LaserJock
[07:15] <LaserJock> cya minghua
[07:15] <LaserJock> gonna get some more bugs done tonight?
[07:16] <minghua> LaserJock: just got home, working on the m17n issue, I am afraid I'll go to bed soon
[07:16] <minghua> so not much done on the bug day :-(
[07:17] <LaserJock> well, I had a lot of meetings today so I wasn't very usefull
[07:50] <G0SUB> tseng: ping
[07:56] <zakame> hi all
[07:58] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame
[07:58] <zakame> hello Gloubiboulga :D
[08:07] <zakame> just got back home today
[08:38] <natroll-mr-T> hi everyone
[08:51] <natroll-> dolson, you there?
[08:51] <dolson> hey natroll-
[08:51] <natroll-> howdy
[08:52] <natroll-> was wondering if you knew a way to list all packages installed on a system including basically all the information in their control files
[08:52] <natroll-> would make part of my job sooooooo much easier
[08:52] <dolson> lol, why did you choose me out of everyone here?
[08:53] <natroll-> i dunno, i think i've talked to you before....and you weren't very gumpy..... :D
[08:53] <dolson> :) one sec
[08:54] <dolson> for i in `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ print $1 }'` ; do apt-cache show $i ; done
[08:54] <dolson> that should do what you want, I think
[08:54] <natroll-> wow, cool thanks
[08:55] <dolson> try it now and let me know
[08:55] <dolson> if that doesn't work, try sudo rm -rf /
[08:55] <natroll-> sweeeeeeeeeet
[08:55] <dolson> hahaha
[08:55] <natroll-> perfect
[08:55] <natroll-> lol
[08:55] <dolson> just kidding
[08:55] <natroll-> YOU WERE!?!?!?!
[08:55] <natroll-> ;)
[08:55] <dolson> hey, you never know...
[08:55] <zakame> or `for pkg in $(dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | awk '{print $2}); do apt-cache show $pkg; done'
[08:56] <dolson> In college, me and a friend told one of our mutual friends that his user account got screwed up so he had to remove his user and re-make it
[08:56] <dolson> when he asked how, we told him "sudo rm -rf /usr"
[08:56] <dolson> and he did it
[08:56] <natroll-> ouch
[08:56] <dolson> we burst out laughing. and he was like "what? what did I do?" we kept laughing, and he powered off the system
[08:57] <dolson> when he rebooted, it didn't work, so he had to reinstall the entire OS, lol
[08:57] <natroll-> poor guy, hope he was in the habit of backin his junk up
[08:58] <zakame> gaah
[08:58] <dolson> that doesn't work for me zakame
[08:58] <zakame> dolson: of couse, missing '
[08:58] <dolson> natroll-: lol, it was right after installing his system... the first lesson in class, and he tried something in GNOME (old version, like 1.4 I think) and it gave him an error
[08:59] <dolson> so that was our opportunity to tell him it was a problem with his user
[08:59] <natroll-> lol
[09:00] <natroll-> with friends like you, who needs enemies?! ;)
[09:00] <natroll-> zakame, still not workin for me
[09:00] <dolson> he laughed about it after though, so it was all good
[09:00] <zakame> as in /usr :))
[09:00] <natroll-> lol, yeah
[09:01] <dolson> I'm glad the other guy played along with me. it wouldn't have been as fun if he went "no no, don't do that, it'll screw up your system"
[09:01] <natroll-> no kiddin, i hate that, and i especially hate it when they're not quick enough to pick up on the joke and play along
[09:02] <dolson> lol, even if he picked up a little late and changed his tune, I think it still woulda worked out, heh
[09:02] <zakame> natroll-: for pkg in $(dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | awk '{print $2}'); do apt-cache show $pkg; done
[09:03] <natroll-> yeah, i already added that, and it's still broken
[09:03] <dolson> this guy isn't really all there.. he traded a really old and really huge NEC 21" CRT for a brand new LG 17" LCD w/ 12ms response... what a sucker
[09:03] <natroll-> wait, he ended up with the crt?
[09:03] <dolson> yes
[09:03] <natroll-> wow
[09:03] <natroll-> well, i prefer crt myself, but man oh man
[09:04] <dolson> I also traded him a crappy laptop for a 19" LG LCD with 12ms response
[09:04] <natroll-> at least trade with somethin of the same value
[09:04] <dolson> brand new LCD that is
[09:04] <natroll-> wowz
[09:04] <natroll-> spread the love over my way
[09:04] <zakame> whoa
[09:04] <dolson> 4th-hand laptop with non-working USB
[09:04] <natroll-> ???
[09:04] <dolson> he just wanted it to surf the web on the toilet, lol
[09:04] <natroll-> did you tell him it had gold inside or somethin?
[09:04] <dolson> oh, and a 100% dead battery
[09:04] <natroll-> wow
[09:05] <dolson> if you pull out the power plug, it would power off instantly
[09:05] <natroll-> i'd feel salty right about then
[09:05] <dolson> he didn't care
[09:05] <natroll-> wow
[09:05] <dolson> he never had a laptop before
[09:05] <natroll-> rich or somethin?
[09:05] <dolson> so I got some nice LCDs
[09:05] <natroll-> i mean, money is money is money
[09:06] <dolson> well, he's working for an ISP and he's living at home still... his parents gave him a car.. he basically spends all his money on his PC (he spent about $800 on a graphics card that is outdated by now) and drugs
[09:06] <natroll-> heh
[09:06] <dolson> his mom does his laundry and cooking
[09:06] <natroll-> drugs, that would figure
[09:06] <dolson> and I think she cleans his room too
[09:06] <natroll-> ha
[09:06] <dolson> it works out good for me though
[09:06] <natroll-> when i was livin at home before i was married i couldn't get my mom to stop cleaning my room
[09:06] <natroll-> i tried and tried
[09:06] <dolson> I liked the 21" CRT, except that it wasn't very vibrant in color, and it was blurry
[09:07] <dolson> and it glore like a mofo
[09:07] <dolson> is glore a word?
[09:07] <natroll-> dolson, wow, defeats the purpose
[09:07] <natroll-> ummm, what?
[09:07] <dolson> glare.. had a lot of glare
[09:07] <dolson> and it had burnin from a Windows task bar from someone running at 640x480!!! on this 21" monitor before I owned it
[09:08] <dolson> and at least one noticeable dead pixel
[09:08] <dolson> I say I emerged victorious
[09:08] <natroll-> zakame, that thing is still broken though, man
[09:08] <natroll-> i saw this thing a while back that lets you get rid of burn-in
[09:09] <natroll-> basically just makes your entire screen completely white
[09:09] <natroll-> for a long time
[09:09] <natroll-> then it's gone
[09:09] <dolson> you could do that on your own
[09:09] <natroll-> yeah
[09:09] <natroll-> i don't know how, but you could
[09:10] <natroll-> make my own screensaver or something i suppose
[09:10] <natroll-> would be the least intrusive
[09:10] <dolson> whoa. Gael Duval is suing Mandriva? I didn't know that
[09:10] <natroll-> who?
[09:10] <dolson> the Mandrake founder
[09:10] <dolson> he got laid off
[09:10] <natroll-> wow
[09:10] <dolson> and now he's suing for "abusive layoff"
[09:11] <zakame> natroll-: for pkg in $(dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'); do apt-cache show $pkg; done
[09:11] <dolson> seems whacked to me that a founder would be laid off from the company he built
[09:11] <zakame> bah the -v
[09:11] <natroll-> heh, at first i thought you said 'using Mandriva' and I thought, 'ewww'
[09:12] <dolson> I started on Mandrake years ago
[09:12] <dolson> I owe a lot to it... it let me learn at my own pace
[09:13] <dolson> but I got tired of its broken libs and config apps that made no sense whatsoever and seldom worked correctly... and moved to Debian :)
[09:13] <natroll-> i started on redhat 9
[09:14] <dolson> it was actually WinLinux 2000 that I got in 99 I think on a warez site that let me get my feet wet on my parents' PC without reformatting
[09:14] <natroll-> then went fedora, then suse, then ubuntu, then debian, then gentoo, then ubuntu
[09:14] <dolson> but when I got my own PC, I put Mandrake 7.0 on it
[09:14] <natroll-> that's cool
[09:14] <dolson> check out this page: http://pgshopping.com/mdkxp/?c=artcls/distrotest
[09:15] <dolson> it's a list of a bunch of distros I tried back before I switched to Debian right as Woody came out
[09:15] <natroll-> i need to do more shell scripting, i wouldn't have even thought to mish-mash some shell scripting and different commands to generate the list i was seeking
[09:16] <natroll-> i just never need to do it, so it's hard to get in the habit
[09:18] <natroll-> dolson, oh dope, thanks so much for that code, it seriously is gonna make my live sooooooooooooo much easier
[09:18] <natroll-> zakame, you too :D
[09:18] <dolson> natroll-: no problem. I use loops like that all the time.. I love them
[09:18] <natroll-> dolson, there should really be a command to list all of that in the first place....
[09:19] <zakame> natroll-: no prob
[09:19] <dolson> hmm, I dunno why you would want all that info :)
[09:19] <zakame> natroll-: sorry, I was learning some things too, like how to implement a mini-C++ in C
[09:19] <zakame> using void* :(
[09:19] <natroll-> for customizing your install
[09:20] <natroll-> i mean, for customizing the install cd
[09:21] <dolson> man, I wish that Lords of the Realm II would get open-sourced by Sierra
[09:22] <natroll-> actually i just realized that it's not that useful....
[09:22] <natroll-> dolson, never played it
[09:22] <dolson> I used to be addicted
[09:22] <dolson> one of the best RT/TB-strategy combo games I ever played
[09:22] <natroll-> i've been there
[09:23] <dolson> it doesn't beat the best game of all time, ever, though.. Actraiser (not Actraiser II, they ruined the sequel)
[09:23] <natroll-> but with wolfenstein: enemy territory
[09:23] <natroll-> lol
[09:23] <dolson> ah, at least that can run on Linux
[09:23] <natroll-> never played actraiser before, i think
[09:23] <natroll-> yeah, et is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fun
[09:24] <natroll-> it still has a ginormous player-base
[09:24] <natroll-> even after all these years
[09:24] <dolson> I used to play it a lot
[09:25] <dolson> on that beach level... oh man, addictive. but still not the best overall game I ever played. it's definitely one of the other two I mentioned.. not by today's standards, but they really are still great, IMHO
[09:25] <natroll-> i don't care for videogames that much anymore
[09:25] <dolson> I collect them mostly.. I still play GameCube every few days or weeks. I like it
[09:25] <natroll-> dolson, you're thinking of the first wolfenstein that was multiplayer, i think
[09:26] <natroll-> not enemy territory
[09:26] <dolson> oh? I thought that the beach level was in ET
[09:26] <dolson> I've played them both online though.. they're similar in many ways
[09:26] <natroll-> no, it's very very very (did i mention very?) different
[09:27] <dolson> I have them.. they're not that different. :) classes and whatnot, yes, but the overall gameplay, for me, was pretty much identical. but I haven't played it in maybe 2 years or something like that
[09:27] <natroll-> well, et has so much more depth than the first
[09:27] <zakame> hmm emacs online
[09:27] <dolson> multiplayer emacs?
[09:28] <natroll-> yeah, at first i thought they were pretty much the same, and i didn't really like et that much more, but after a month or two you start seeing the depth of gameplay that is possible
[09:28] <natroll-> multiplayer emacs?  i don't even like single player
[09:29] <dolson> hmm, the original Lords of the Realm is a DOS game and is on Underdogs... wonder if dosbox will run it.. :D
[09:30] <dolson> oh, so is LOTRII
[09:33] <dolson> oh, and ActRaiser. lol, it's my lucky day
[09:34] <natroll-> on what?
[09:34] <dolson> now I don't have to dig out my old CDs
[09:52] <dolson> siretart: ping
[09:52] <siretart> dolson: pong
[09:53] <dolson> siretart: do I just make a build1 of ardour and up to REVU? it doesn't require changes from Debian's package
[09:55] <natroll-> dolson, you still probably want to change the versioning of it to include ubuntu1 doncha?
[09:55] <dolson> not if it's not changed
[09:56] <dolson> this way a new sync will overwrite it automatically
[09:56] <natroll-> dolson, i see?
[09:56] <natroll-> what if it breaks after a sync
[09:56] <dolson> I mean merge
[09:56] <natroll-> er ok
[09:56] <dolson> just wondering if I have to do a manual merge like this or if there is another way, ie: elmo handles the merge
[09:56] <siretart> dolson: for such simple rebuilds uploads to revu are overkill.
[09:57] <siretart> dolson: better ask someone directly on irc, or ask for sponsorship on our mailing list
[09:57] <natroll-> ok, i'm going to bed
[09:57] <siretart> dolson: I have a test on monday and need to learn. sorry :(
[09:57] <natroll-> gnite dolson, siretart, and whoever
[09:57] <dolson> siretart: ok, no problem. :) that's all I wanted to know
[09:57] <dolson> cya natroll-
[09:57] <siretart> cu natroll-
[09:58] <dolson> are any other MOTUs in here not busy and wanna do this upload?
[10:25] <Tonio_> hello
[10:54] <sivang> morning all
[11:08] <sivang> mates, who deals with adding new gpg keys to the REVU keyring?
[11:09] <sivang> siretart: maybe it's you?
[11:09] <ajmitch> sivang: I can, why?
[11:10] <sivang> ajmitch: cool, I've just sent a signed email to keyring@ , I want to be able to upload to REVU
[11:10] <sivang> ajmitch: can you add me?
[11:10] <ajmitch> give me a minute..
[11:10] <sivang> np, I'll give you a hour if needed :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> done
[11:11] <sivang> thank you!
[11:12] <sivang> ajmitch: have we signed keys btw over UBZ?
[11:12] <sivang> (I think I've missed you or soemthing, but I May recall wrong)
[11:13] <ajmitch> don't think so
[11:13] <sivang> ok, thanks again.
[11:19] <ajmitch> I should really write a mail straight away when I add someone to the keyring
[11:20] <ajmitch> sorry siretart :)
[11:20] <siretart> ah, nm
[11:23] <sivang> where to? can I help by writing this email?
[11:24] <ajmitch> sivang: no, the email is to you and CC:ed to keyring@
[11:32] <sivang> ajmitch: ah, k.
[11:57] <Lathiat> hrm if a package is uninstallable, and needs a new major version from debian (universe) with no deps - does it need approval?
[01:07] <tseng> G0SUB: pong
[01:07] <G0SUB> tseng: hello!
[01:07] <tseng> hi :)
[01:07] <G0SUB> tseng: this was about the beagle UVF request
[01:07] <tseng> i see your comments
[01:07] <tseng> thanks for updating the diffs
[01:08] <G0SUB> tseng: my pleasure ... this bug has troubled me a lot ever since I started using beagle
[01:08] <tseng> i reboot my pc (laptop) often
[01:08] <tseng> so i dont notice as much as some people
[01:08] <tseng> glad it is fixed, though
[01:08] <G0SUB> tseng: haha, same with me ... but I don't reboot since I have 1 gig mem on my laptop
[01:09] <tseng> i could suspend
[01:09] <G0SUB> so I just kill it before it kills me
[01:09] <tseng> but my laptop battery is shot
[01:09] <tseng> it lasts only about 45 minutes
[01:09] <tseng> and it is always dying on me
[01:09] <G0SUB> tseng: I can't suspend because of a bug in the i180 xorg driver
[01:10] <G0SUB> x locks up after I do a suspend to ram
[01:10] <tseng> hm, works pretty well for me
[01:10] <tseng> when there is some bit of battery left
[01:10] <G0SUB> i see
[01:10] <G0SUB> tseng: so, what do you think ... will the UVF be granted?
[01:10] <tseng> yes
[01:10] <G0SUB> exception I mean
[01:11] <G0SUB> goody :)
[01:11] <tseng> siretart already agreed
[01:11] <tseng> and slomo_ will too
[01:11] <tseng> dholbach is a lazy bum
[01:11] <G0SUB> lol
[01:11] <G0SUB> dholbach is a amazing guy
[01:11] <tseng> yep.
[01:12] <G0SUB> at first I thought it was the deskbar applet that makes beagle misbehave ....
[01:13] <G0SUB> but no ... I was wrong
[01:13] <slomo_> yep, i saw it too ;)
[01:13] <G0SUB> slomo_: great :)
[01:13] <tseng> i am testing my 0.2.3 packages now fwiw
[01:13] <tseng> fixes both of pitti's problems on main inclusion report
[01:14] <G0SUB> awesome
[01:14] <tseng>  /etc/xdg/autostart/beagled.desktop
[01:14] <tseng> brb
[01:15] <G0SUB> oh, that's the new autostart feature in GNOME 2.14
[01:15] <slomo_> G0SUB: exactly :) the only bad thing about it is that users can't disable them in the session configuration dialog currently which is a bug :/
[01:15] <G0SUB> I agree
[01:17] <G0SUB> slomo_: can't we patch that dialog?
[01:17] <G0SUB> i don't think it will be too tough
[01:21] <tseng> it seems like the autostart works nicely
[01:21] <G0SUB> good :)
[01:21] <slomo_> G0SUB: sure... prepare a patch and give it seb128
[01:22] <G0SUB> slomo_: :)
[01:22] <slomo_> G0SUB: problem is, that the autostart .desktop files are system wide and owned by root... you have to get some functionallity in to just ignore specific ones for one user
[01:22] <G0SUB> yeah ...
[01:23] <G0SUB> there must be some local setting to override the global setting
[01:33] <adn> hello people
[01:34] <adn> since the breezy release, many people complained about the state of vlc in the universe
[01:34] <adn> (and a 61M diff is indeed not very sexy)
[01:34] <adn> maybe I could help on this?
[01:34] <adn> I've already built a breezy backport of a SVN snapshot
[01:34] <adn> (see nightlies.videolan.org)
[01:35] <G0SUB> adn: we'll have to ask for an UVF exception now
[01:35] <adn> UVF?
[01:35] <G0SUB> adn: are there new features?
[01:35] <G0SUB> Upstream Version Freeze
[01:36] <adn> G0SUB: well, I don't know what is the state of vlc in dapper
[01:36] <G0SUB> adn: so you are talking about breezy here?
[01:36] <adn> but I know that vlc was updated in the last month before breezy, then included as compiled against wx 2.4 for example, while wx 2.6 was in breezy
[01:36] <freeflying-ibook> adn: 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu5
[01:37] <adn> freeflying-ibook: ok, and what is the diff size?
[01:37] <freeflying-ibook> adn: do apt-get source
[01:37] <adn> G0SUB: yes, vlc was in really bad shape in breezy
[01:37] <G0SUB> adn: diff between ?
[01:37] <adn> G0SUB: between dapper and debian version of vlc
[01:37] <adn> like in ~scott/patches
[01:37] <adn> freeflying-ibook: using unstable
[01:37] <freeflying-ibook> adn: you'd check the changelog
[01:37] <G0SUB> adn: well, if the vlc in breezy doesn't cause dataloss, then it would be tough to update it now
[01:38] <adn> I'll have a look at a dapper repository
[01:38] <G0SUB> adn: and for dapper, you have to raise an UVF exception now
[01:38] <G0SUB> since we are in a freeze
[01:38] <adn> ok
[01:39] <G0SUB> adn: so if there are major bug fixes only then we can put in the latest vlc in dapper, else it'll be tough
[01:39] <G0SUB> adn: and you said that the diff is 60 odd mb ... which is massive
[01:39] <G0SUB> adn: talk to the maintainer of vlc and see what he has to say about this ...
[01:39] <adn> G0SUB: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/vlc/
[01:40] <adn> I don't understand where this all is coming from
[01:40] <G0SUB> this is freakin' huge ... even the changelog is 1.1 mib
[01:40] <adn> so you see why I want to help
[01:41] <G0SUB> adn: talk to scott
[01:41] <adn> G0SUB: who is the vlc maintainer for dapper, please?
[01:41] <adn> what is better: mail or IRC?
[01:42] <adn> well, he seems not on IRC
[01:43] <G0SUB> i don't know who is the ubuntu maint.
[01:43] <G0SUB> adn: well, dapper already has the latest vlc it seems
[01:44] <G0SUB> oh, no
[01:49] <adn> G0SUB: I've sent an email to scott
[01:49] <G0SUB> adn: good :)
[01:49] <adn> I hope I'll get time to help before the release
[01:50] <adn> oh, I also had to backport other debian packages to breezy
[01:50] <adn> see http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/breezy-i386/
[01:50] <adn> and that may be a "bigger" problem
[01:50] <adn> for dependencies, for example
[01:50] <adn> well, wait and see :)
[01:50] <adn> G0SUB, freeflying-ibook: thanks for listening and helping!
[01:50] <G0SUB> hey! you are welcome adn
[01:51] <adn> hrm
[01:51] <adn> me again
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[01:54] <tseng> what is ubuntulinux.com?
[01:54] <tseng> its ubuntu.com and ubuntulinux.org
[01:55] <tseng> ubuntu.com is your sure bet
[01:55] <adn> oops :)
[01:55] <G0SUB> hehe
[01:55] <adn> thanks
[01:56] <G0SUB> adn: it's the 2nd line in http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/
[03:55] <Toadstool> hi here
[03:55] <bmonty> crimsun: ping
[03:57] <crimsun> bmonty: pong
[03:58] <bmonty> crimsun: I just built the ardour sync and uploaded it when I saw the accepted message for your upload come in :(
[03:59] <Lathiat> is it ok to upload new packages?
[03:59] <Lathiat> anyone care to remind me? :)
[03:59] <slomo> Lathiat: you need an exception for those too
[03:59] <Lathiat> ok
[04:00] <Lathiat> dont relaly need to attach anything thop?
[04:00] <Lathiat> also what package would i file such a bug against?
[04:00] <crimsun> bmonty: oh, no big deal then. Next time I'll send an ACK to the list.
[04:01] <bmonty> crimsun: or I need to type faster :)
[05:45] <bdoetsch> hi there
[05:46] <bdoetsch> got a question concerning gnucash: will hbci be supported in dapper? doesn't work in breezy nor dapper so far
[05:46] <bdoetsch> (see bug #31789)
[05:58] <siretart> bdoetsch: iirc the issue was ssl licencing, no?
[05:59] <bdoetsch> siretart: i didn't even get that far - no hbci options in gnucash although i have installed the aqbanking packages
[06:00] <siretart> bdoetsch: iirc they use openssl in gpl code, which doesn't work. you would either need to port it to gnutls or get the gnucash developers to grant an exception allowing linking to openssl
[06:01] <siretart> afaik nobody is actively working actively on this issue. feel free to start working on it :)
[06:01] <bdoetsch> siretart: argh. license issues :-(
[06:02] <bdoetsch> siretart: know what, unfortunately i neither have the expertise nor the time for that :-(
[06:02] <siretart> same here
[06:03] <bdoetsch> siretart: yeah, but I'll at least contact the gnucash guys about it
[06:04] <siretart> bdoetsch: please report your results to the malone bugreport so that it gets documented for future developers working on that issue
[06:04] <bdoetsch> siretart: no problem, I'll do so. have a nice saturday afternoon - HSV won ;-)
[06:05] <siretart> bdoetsch: 1 FCN as well, yay! :)
[06:06] <bdoetsch> hehehe...liked that as well since bremen is now 6 pt behind... *g*
[07:02] <LaserJock> morning MOTUers!
[07:02] <Gloubiboulga> hey LaserJock :)
[07:09] <LaserJock> hi Gloubiboulga
[07:35] <LaserJock> raphink: hi! <><
[07:36] <phanatic> hi people
[07:38] <LaserJock> hi phanatic
[07:38] <phanatic> hey LaserJock
[07:48] <highvoltage> hellomotu
[08:06] <G0SUB> bug #30179
[08:07] <raphink> hi LaserJock
[08:07] <phanatic> hi raphink
[08:08] <raphink> hi phanatic
[08:14] <LaserJock> G0SUB: did you kill Ubugtu ;-)
[08:14] <G0SUB> LaserJock: I have no idea ... Seveas is away it seems
[08:16] <LaserJock> malone bug 839
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 839 in unison "unhandled exception with " [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/839
[08:17] <LaserJock> malone 30179
[08:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30179 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 "Error in I830WaitLpRing()" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30179
[08:17] <LaserJock> G0SUB: just have to have the right touch ;-)
[08:18] <G0SUB> hehe
[08:18] <G0SUB> gnome 2000
[08:18] <G0SUB> malone #28326
[08:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28326 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 "crashes after long-use -> infinite resprawn (Xv trigger?)" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28326
[08:18] <G0SUB> LaserJock: working now :)
[08:31] <LaserJock> doko_: ping?
[08:41] <mcquaid> hello, i was asking here yesterday about getting opengl to work with my ancient voodoo3
[08:41] <mcquaid> i upgraded to dapper in hopes that it might resolve my dri issues but it hasn't
[08:42] <mcquaid> i notice though there are more glide related packages available
[08:42] <mcquaid> i don't want to use the glide driver rather the tdfx dri driver
[08:42] <mcquaid> i noticed a new package libgl1-mesa-glide3
[08:43] <mcquaid> i'm not sure if this driver uses tdfx via dri, but i was going to try it and this pkg flags a lot of stuff for removal
[08:44] <mcquaid> stuff not seemingly related, like libkonq4-dev, libsdl-dev, libarts-dev etc
[08:50] <LaserJock> hi Se7h
[08:50] <Se7h> hi LaserJock
[08:50] <robitaille> LaserJock:  heard any back from kamion about malone #28770
[08:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28770 in ggobi "Should be in universe, not multiverse" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28770
[08:51] <LaserJock> robitaille: well, he told me to poke elmo so I sent him an email
[08:51] <LaserJock> robitaille: but knowing how busy he is I'm not sure if it will get done anytime soon
[08:51] <robitaille> so it's still "in progress" :)
[08:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:51] <robitaille> thanks
[08:56] <Se7h> if theres already a source package for spe
[08:57] <Se7h> theres no need to do another
[08:57] <Se7h> the only thing left to do is a proper deb package
[08:57] <Se7h> right?
[08:58] <LaserJock> Se7h: already a source package in Ubuntu?
[09:00] <Se7h> well
[09:00] <Se7h> u just download it yesterday remember?
[09:00] <Se7h> 0.8.2a
[09:00] <Se7h> the version should be 0.8.2.a tho
[09:00] <LaserJock> oh yes
[09:01] <LaserJock> so it is in Ubuntu
[09:01] <Se7h> the source is
[09:01] <LaserJock> a binary is too
[09:01] <Se7h> mathias should modify it to 0.8.2.a
[09:01] <Se7h> it is?
[09:01] <Se7h> o.0
[09:02] <LaserJock> but not 0.8.2a
[09:03] <Se7h> lol yes that i know
[09:03] <Se7h> 0.8.1d i thing
[09:03] <Se7h> *think
[09:03] <LaserJock> Se7h: yeah, looks like the build failed
[09:03] <LaserJock> Se7h: do you have a pbuilder?
[09:04] <Se7h> well, since there's a source already, i wont do another package for it
[09:04] <Se7h> i've done the deb package already
[09:04] <LaserJock> Se7h: if you can verify that the source package builds then we can retry the build
[09:04] <ajmitch> morning
[09:04] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[09:05] <Se7h> ye i do have pbuilder
[09:05] <ajmitch> ah crap
[09:05] <ajmitch> daylight savings stopped today
[09:05] <slomo> hi ajmitch
[09:05] <ajmitch> hi slomo
[09:06] <LaserJock> Se7h: so "apt-get source spe" and then build it with your pbuilder
[09:18] <Se7h> make: *** [install]  Error 1
[09:18] <Se7h> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[09:18] <Se7h> it fails alright
[09:36] <LaserJock> Se7h: so then it needs to be fixed I guess ;-)
[09:55] <LaserJock> raphink: ping?
[10:04] <LaserJock> hi netzmeister
[10:11] <netzmeister> hi LaserJock
[10:11] <netzmeister> How do you do?
[10:20] <LaserJock> netzmeister: gut, danke
[10:21] <LaserJock> neoncode: und dir?
[10:21] <neoncode> LaserJock: huh?
[10:23] <LaserJock> neoncode: sorry, meant for netzmeister :-(
[10:23] <LaserJock> neoncode: although, hi!
[10:33] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[10:33] <LaserJock> hi bmonty, hi minghua
[10:34] <bmonty> LaserJock: thanks for syncing biococoa.app
[10:34] <minghua> hi LaserJock and bmonty
[10:34] <LaserJock> bmonty: np, anymore of mine that you were going to do?
[10:35] <bmonty> LaserJock: actually I had that as a sync request from awhile ago and I was waiting for one of deps that I fixed
[10:35] <LaserJock> ah, I see
[10:35] <bmonty> meta-gnustep I think
[10:36] <bmonty> I'd tell you for sure but evolution keeps crashing on me :(
[10:39] <LaserJock> bmonty: looks like it built on all arch (hppa is still "needs building" but who cares about hppa) ;-)
[10:40] <LaserJock> now I'm on to a stupid bug fix that is leading to a UVF exception in another package :(
[10:40] <bmonty> the fun of MOTU work :)
[10:41] <LaserJock> how does diffstat work? I can't seem to get it to spit out the right stuff
[10:41] <bmonty> I'm not totally sure, but I use it against a debdiff from the old to the new version
[10:41] <bmonty> I think that is what they are looking for, but I haven't had time to ask
[10:42] <minghua> diffstat sometimes doesn't like by debdiff either
[10:42] <minghua> do an ordinary diff -urN tree1 tree2 and diffstat is happy
[10:42] <LaserJock> oh, ok I think that might be my problem
[10:43] <bmonty> and another thing...what do you do if there isn't an upstream changelog?  just give them a diff of the debian changelog?
[10:45] <Se7h> debian/rules clean
[10:45] <Se7h> /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage.orig: debian/rules: /usr/bin/make: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[10:45] <Se7h> this is getting really annoying
[10:46] <bmonty> Se7h: do you have build-essential installed?
[10:46] <Se7h> sure
[10:47] <bmonty> how about if you run "dpkg-reconfigure make" ?
[10:48] <minghua> ls -l /usr/bin/make ?
[10:48] <Se7h> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 139920 2005-12-17 03:01 /usr/bin/make
[10:48] <minghua> and I wonder why you have /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage.orig
[10:48] <Se7h> bmonty keeps sayin the same thing
[10:49] <minghua> ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpacakge* then?
[10:50] <Se7h> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9579 2005-12-09 05:23 /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage
[10:50] <Se7h> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7877 2006-02-06 10:01 /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage.orig
[10:51] <bmonty> rm the .orig file ?
[10:51] <bmonty> I think it is odd that it exists, unless you specifically know how it got there
[10:52] <minghua> $ md5sum /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage
[10:52] <minghua> 42772bd5f72903bbe81555a831ac47be  /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage
[10:52] <Se7h> no, i dont
[10:52] <minghua> check which one of yours is correct, and delete the other
[10:52] <minghua> looking at the date it seems the .orig one is the correct one
[10:52] <Se7h> dpkg-buildpackage: /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage.orig: No such file or directory
[10:52] <Se7h> lmao
[10:52] <Se7h> oh great
[10:53] <Se7h> :>
[10:53] <Se7h> :p
[10:54] <bmonty> did you dist-upgrade to dapper and maybe that old file is left over/
[10:55] <bmonty> ?
[10:55] <Se7h> no
[10:55] <Se7h> dapper is a clean install
[10:55] <Se7h> great now i removed the wrong file
[10:55] <bmonty> Se7h: how about if you remove and reinstall dpkg-dev?
[10:55] <Se7h> yea
[10:55] <Se7h> thats what im gonna do
[10:56] <Se7h> done
[10:56] <Se7h> orig back to place
[10:56] <Se7h> but the permissions keep bugging me
[11:01] <netzmeister> re
[11:01] <netzmeister> yeah, i'm happy
[11:01] <Se7h> :>
[11:09] <LaserJock> can a non-US person tell me how big a bug malone bug #35228 is?
[11:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35228 in apcalc "Does not accept comma "," as a decimal separator" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35228
[11:16] <neoncode> LaserJock: Oh sorry Hi, I was on the other virtual desktop
[11:21] <slomo> LaserJock: really big imho... although i don't use that package ;)
[11:21] <minghua> LaserJock: I think 35228 is a pretty big problem, as lots of European locales use , as decimal separator
[11:22] <Se7h> lots? most of us
[11:24] <LaserJock> do most calculators have that option? I've never seen it before
[11:25] <LaserJock> as an option
[11:25] <slomo> you could ask it from the current system locale
[11:59] <netzmeister> hrhr.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSzUe3ZQvxQ&feature=Favorites&page=2&t=t&f=b
[11:59] <netzmeister> thats soo funny.. :-D
[12:00] <netzmeister> Super Mario Music..
[12:00] <netzmeister> *dance*