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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 02:02 |
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| Lure | any tester of Tonio's packages on http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 10:20 |
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| seaLne | w00t dcfldd is out of NEW :) | 10:40 |
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| Riddell | seaLne: congrats :) | 11:19 |
| seaLne | been grinning since i noticed | 11:20 |
| Riddell | seaLne: but has it compiled? | 11:20 |
| seaLne | ah | 11:20 |
| seaLne | yep | 11:20 |
| jpatrick | seaLne: what ddfldd? Looks built to me | 11:20 |
| seaLne | jpatrick: thanks | 11:21 |
| Riddell | yep, everywhere https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/dcfldd/1.3.4-0ubuntu1 | 11:21 |
| jpatrick | which is always a good sign | 11:21 |
| jpatrick | http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/dcfldd <- | 11:22 |
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| _Sime_ | Riddell: did you see my message saying that guidance 0.6.3 is out? | 11:47 |
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| tvo | is it known that kubuntu-desktop is not dist-upgradable from breezy atm? | 01:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? that works ;) | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | tested knetworkmanager and that works perfectly ;) | 01:26 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: *netswitch packages have entered | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I've seen this ;) | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | but my current focus is on knetworkmanager | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I spent 14 hours making all the packages, and well, that rocks ;) | 01:30 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks for knetwrokmanager package | 01:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but we need to deciede what to do with dialup part: fix or remove | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I did not only this one, but the network-manager package too ;) | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | the one provided was horrible (I reused the patches nevertheless) ;) | 01:35 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but the NM is already being worked on | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I know, but I finally did the stuff myself | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | there were too many things not valid in the package you added on your wikipage | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | this one should work finally | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | because it is an update of the current package | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | the one beeing worked on isn't | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | and that a big problem for canonical ;) | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: can you test on my repo ? plz ? | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | tested and that's okay for me | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | just need to add a dependancy on wpasupplicant | 01:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I will now, I am just running your knetwrokmanager with the other NM | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay ;) | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: possible to test everything ? | 01:37 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: the problem is that the current package helped me to progress on NM, but will not go, because if it's structure | 01:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will do. I will remove everything (NM, wpa, kNM) and install from your repository | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | it is not valid | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: many thanks ;) | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we have three month to make pressure to have it ;) | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | that's worth a pain ;) | 01:39 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think that probability greatly increased (have you seen note from Keybuk on DD meeting)? | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what probably increased ? | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | patches and community stuff ? | 01:40 |
| Lure | of getting NM in Dapper | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, and I remember what mark said ;) we have a chance to get it in | 01:40 |
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| Lure_ | Tonio_: I am back, but only wired... :-( | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | Luredoesn't work ? | 01:54 |
| Lure_ | no :-( | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | what's the problem ? | 01:55 |
| Lure_ | This is what I get if I try to connect to my WPA2 AP: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610497 | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | can you scan for networks ? | 01:55 |
| Lure_ | and yes, I had to manually install wpasupplicant | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | LureI know, that is now corrected | 01:56 |
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| Lure_ | Tonio_: no - it seems that my ipw2200 is not functioning anymore | 01:57 |
| Lure_ | I loaded module and now I can scan... | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lureokay ;) | 01:57 |
| Lure_ | ifconfig | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | I assume this isn't networkmanager's fault | 01:58 |
| Lure_ | strange that this is the first time I have problem with ipw2200.... | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure what is now corrected is the dependancy on wpasupplicant ;) | 01:58 |
| Lure_ | and it worked with other packages... | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | notnyour problem though :) | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: hum........ | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | weired | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: did you reboot to have something clean ? | 01:59 |
| Lure_ | yep. I removed old packages, installed yours, rebooted and started knetworkmanager | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf....... | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | does the card work now ? | 02:00 |
| Lure_ | I will reboot again, check ipw2200 state after reboot, then test with both NM and kNM in --no-daemon mode to get error messages | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: cool | 02:00 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: card is working and I always got networks reported in kNM, I just could not connect | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | if that doesn't work, switch back to the other NML package, to be sure it is here the problem, and I will investigate | 02:01 |
| Lure_ | my wife is calling me for lunch, I will be back in 30 minutes | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | okay ;) | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | good lunch | 02:01 |
| OculusAquilae | Tonio_: you want to get KNetworkManager into dapper? | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | OculusAquilae: I'd live ;) | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | but we still need to work on it ;) | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | i'd love (sorry) | 02:09 |
| OculusAquilae | nice | 02:09 |
| OculusAquilae | wlassistant works nice here | 02:10 |
| OculusAquilae | but knetworkmanager would even be better | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | OculusAquilae: I know ;) | 02:10 |
| OculusAquilae | I'll try to test it | 02:11 |
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| Lathiat | is anyone else being driven nuts by a missing black line on the right ahnd side of the max/restore button? :) | 02:19 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: after reboot, ipw2200 is fine, just kNM does not work for WPA2 | 02:29 |
| Lure | I am on wired again | 02:29 |
| Lure | NM logs: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610553 | 02:29 |
| Lure | kNM logs: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610555 | 02:29 |
| Lure | I have even closed wallet, removed kNM stuff but it does not help | 02:30 |
| Lure | when I try to connect, I do not get dialog to enter password for the first time :-( | 02:30 |
| Lure | this has worked with kNM that I have compiled and with other NM packages | 02:30 |
| Lure | I may "downgrade" again, just to see the difference | 02:31 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: have you seen my posts? | 02:49 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: nope | 02:49 |
| Lure | [14:28] <Lure> Tonio_: after reboot, ipw2200 is fine, just kNM does not work for WPA2 | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I think I know where is locate the problem | 02:49 |
| Lure | [14:28] <Lure> Tonio_: after reboot, ipw2200 is fine, just kNM does not work for WPA2 | 02:49 |
| Lure | [14:29] <Lure> kNM logs: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610555 | 02:49 |
| Lure | [14:30] <Lure> I have even closed wallet, removed kNM stuff but it does not help | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | yes I miss configure options in NM package :) | 02:50 |
| Lure | [14:30] <Lure> when I try to connect, I do not get dialog to enter password for the first time :-( | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | that normal | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't find wpasupplicant | 02:50 |
| Lure | I will now "downgrade" to Johan's NM + your knetworkmanager and see | 02:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: same problem - knetworkmanager just hangs on Activation... | 02:53 |
| Lure | Maybe it is kNM bug | 02:53 |
| Lure | Which version of kNM did you use? Same as I did (from blog post)? | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 02:53 |
| Lure | I will try nm-applet, just to confimr it is kNM | 02:54 |
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| Tonio_ | NetworkManager: <information> Activation (eth1/wireless): access point 'superprout' is encrypted, and a key exists. No new key needed. | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | bind(PF_UNIX): No such file or directory | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | unlink[ctrl_iface] : No such file or directory | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | I'm getting this is the logs | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is I don't know if that is due to knetworkmanager or networkmanager | 02:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: have seen something like this once | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: any idea on the way to test this ? | 02:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I will try nm-applet now, but need to disconnect wired network | 02:56 |
| Lure | will be right back | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | k | 02:56 |
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| Lure_ | Tonio_: back on wireless, but with nm-applet... ;-( | 03:02 |
| Lure_ | I suspect this kNM issue (maybe related to KDE wallet) | 03:03 |
| Lure_ | currently using Johan's packages, but it may be that your would also work | 03:03 |
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| Lure_ | Tonio_: back on wireless, but with nm-applet... ;-( | 03:04 |
| Lure_ | I suspect this kNM issue (maybe related to KDE wallet) | 03:04 |
| Lure_ | currently using Johan's packages, but it may be that your would also work | 03:04 |
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| Lure_ | Tonio_: ? | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lureyes ? | 03:06 |
| Lure_ | [15:02] <Lure_> Tonio_: back on wireless, but with nm-applet... ;-( | 03:07 |
| Lure_ | [15:03] <Lure_> I suspect this kNM issue (maybe related to KDE wallet) | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lure same problem here with nm_applet | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | strange........... | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: ah ? that works for you ? | 03:07 |
| Lure_ | we need to get latest sources from Timo - hist last blog post indicate that | 03:07 |
| Lure_ | there were quite some fixes. | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lureyes | 03:07 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: works, with Johan's packages | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | so that works for you with nm-applet........ | 03:08 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: what is different in your packages? | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | did you compile with the patches ? | 03:08 |
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| Tonio_ | well I haven't been able to build it | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | since it was checking for networkmanagerVPN.h file | 03:09 |
| Lure_ | I have seen in changelog of Johan's that he basically just forward-port Ubuntu patches from 0.5.x | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | that was not in NM package | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | yes, but how did you build knetworkmanager ? | 03:09 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I just removed all VPN stuff - see my patch | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: you did the patch ? | 03:10 |
| Lure_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/KNetworkManager | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | is it complete ? | 03:10 |
| Lure_ | It works for me | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | I used it but had other things to remove | 03:10 |
| Lure_ | First version was bad (to early in the morning... ), I left out one .h | 03:10 |
| Lure_ | now is fixed | 03:10 |
| Lure_ | I doubt that we will be able to include NM with VPN | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | I know | 03:11 |
| Lure_ | VPN brings so many additional dependencies | 03:11 |
| Tonio_ | but I had to complete tour patch in fact | 03:11 |
| Lure_ | This is why 0.5.x has removed it | 03:11 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: yes, and we still need to improve it (dialup networking stuff) | 03:12 |
| Lure_ | I would just remove it (it calls yast2 now) | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: let's find out that latest package | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | tarball sorry ;) | 03:12 |
| Lure_ | see comments in blog: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/KNetworkManager | 03:13 |
| Lure_ | sorry: http://blog.nouse.net/?p=75 | 03:13 |
| Lure_ | ;-) | 03:13 |
| Lure_ | do you know if suse releases some with sources (as Beta8 was released) | 03:14 |
| Lure_ | s/some/come/ | 03:14 |
| Lure | I will try kNM again - I just could not believe that it does not work anymore | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: wanna make a test ? | 03:17 |
| Lure | ;-) | 03:17 |
| Lure | you have new kNM? | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | I will repackage knetworkmanager without any patch | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | and we'll see ;) | 03:17 |
| Lure | meaning with VPN in? | 03:17 |
| Lure | I wanted to test my compile again | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I will build with minimum changes | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you can confirm nm-applet works ? | 03:18 |
| Lure | OK, I will test mine until I am waiting for your package... | 03:18 |
| Lure | Yes, it works (this is over WPA2) | 03:18 |
| Lure | but with Johan's NM | 03:18 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: let's resume | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | my knetworkmanager works with johan's package | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | new nm-applet works with my NM package | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | is that correct ? | 03:23 |
| Lure | I did not test your nm-applet, only Johan's | 03:23 |
| Lure | But I was running your kNM (installed over my previous build kNM) with Johan's NM | 03:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay, so I really assume the problem is in networkmanager | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | as the nm-applet fails here | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | there is something missing | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | either dependancy or something problematic in the rules file :) | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | let me test, we will find ;) | 03:24 |
| Lure | probably true, but I do not understand why your kNM worked for me, but it does not anymore | 03:24 |
| Lure | maybe make install did something | 03:25 |
| Lure | that your package does not... | 03:25 |
| Lure | Tonio_: are you testing with WPA2 or something else? | 03:25 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think we should stick with Johan's NM and focus on kNM polish | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: WEP | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: Johan's NM is crappy ;) | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | will never go | 03:30 |
| Lure | what is wrong? | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | works, but the package is not convenient for canonical | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: looked at it ? | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it build with dpkg-buildpackage but not pbuilder | 03:30 |
| Lure | just changelog - and it looks like they are just forward porting NM 0.5.x patches | 03:30 |
| Lure | Tonio_: then fix the build ;-) (I would, but do not know anything about pbuilder ;-)) | 03:31 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: I'm on it ;) | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | that's not a big problem, certainly easy to fix once located ;) | 03:35 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: tried my own kNM and it does not work - so your package is at least not worse than my build ;-) | 03:36 |
| Lure | nm-applet works (even though I need to type in my passwd all the time) | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, I'm convinced the problem is in NM package | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | since I merged stuff from canonical and johan's | 03:37 |
| Lure | but still: why with Johan's NM, nm-applet works and kNM does not? | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: didn't test, :) | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | works for you ? | 03:38 |
| Lure | yes | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | good | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | so we can consider knetworkmanager package is okay | 03:38 |
| Lure | and kNM did work before I installed your NM | 03:39 |
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| Tonio_ | yes | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | so my nm is the problem | 03:39 |
| Lure | Maybe your package has left something on system that broke kNM? | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | will work toonight !!!!!!!! | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | exactly | 03:39 |
| Lure | ;-) | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | I need to find the god comprimise | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | good | 03:41 |
| Lure | seen this post: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=839810&postcount=30 | 03:42 |
| Lure | who are they? | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no idea | 03:43 |
| jpatrick | Lure: #ubuntu-devel | 03:43 |
| Lure | jpatrick: never been there, but will check | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: canonical employes ? | 03:44 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: dunno | 03:44 |
| jpatrick | saw he talking a few moments ago | 03:44 |
| Lure | Tonio_: he is online in ubuntu-devel - maybe you should ping him about pbuilder | 03:44 |
| Lure | and let's join forces to get this trough | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: nope, if he is working on the packages, I prefer to let him work ;) | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | will make tests on my own for the moment, and foccus on knetworkmanager | 03:45 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but you should mention pbuilder issue - isn;t that a showstoper for inclusion? | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: he will see the issue don't mind :) | 03:46 |
| mornfall | Riddell: ping? | 03:47 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: hi | 04:00 |
| mornfall | Riddell: you wanted to make the default installer icon be gear right? | 04:02 |
| mornfall | or got something else? | 04:02 |
| Riddell | the icon for adept_installer? | 04:03 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: no, the icon for packages that don't have icon | 04:04 |
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| mornfall | /win 4 | 04:11 |
| mornfall | err | 04:11 |
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| mornfall | well, i put "exec" icon there for now | 04:16 |
| mornfall | that'd be gear in crystal | 04:16 |
| mornfall | i hope :) | 04:16 |
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| jeroenvrp | hi folks | 04:19 |
| jeroenvrp | someone here?! | 04:19 |
| jeroenvrp | I've got strange problems on dapper | 04:19 |
| jeroenvrp | mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | missing codepage or other error | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | dmesg | tail or so | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | dmesg | tail : | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | [4354302.985000] attempt to access beyond end of device | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | [4354302.986000] hdc: rw=0, want=68, limit=4 | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | [4354302.986000] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16 | 04:21 |
| jeroenvrp | strange thing is that the DVD player just works when I boot | 04:22 |
| jeroenvrp | reboot | 04:22 |
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| jeroenvrp | after a while I can't mount my DVD's anymore | 04:22 |
| jeroenvrp | not manual and not auto | 04:22 |
| jeroenvrp | my fstab entry looks like this: | 04:23 |
| jeroenvrp | /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 | 04:23 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: yes, exec is a good icon for that | 04:28 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I should talk to mvo about getting more icons in app-install-data | 04:28 |
| mornfall | Riddell: yes, that'd be nice | 04:29 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i wanted to ask, should i introduce kde-icons-crystal as dependency to adept? | 04:29 |
| mornfall | maybe i would vote for Recommends | 04:29 |
| Riddell | hmm, I suppose kde-icons-crystal would bring in icons for a lot of apps | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I packaged and tested knetworkmanager | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | needs a few patches but works :) | 04:35 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: hey. Did you notice that 0.6.3 of guidance is out. | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | I'm currently working with Pygi, who is working on networkmanager packages, and we're going to merge our work to get knetworkmanager work perfectly | 04:36 |
| Pygi | joy ^_^ | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just that I need to remove the vpn and ppp stuff from it | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: hehe ;) | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | well need to reboot now | 04:37 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yeah saw that, will try it out at some point (along with wlassistant) | 04:37 |
| Riddell | Pygi: are you in contact with keybuk at all about it? | 04:37 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: yes I did, I'll package it up tomorro | 04:37 |
| Riddell | tomorrow | 04:37 |
| Pygi | Riddel: yup ^_^ | 04:38 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: cool. BTW, I now understand what is happening in systemsetting wrt l10n. | 04:38 |
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| jpatrick | or maybe I could try? | 04:40 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: what's happening? | 04:40 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: it is quite simple really. | 04:40 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: For example. There is no NL or FR translation file for systemsettings. So it uses the default. | 04:41 |
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| _Sime_ | Riddell: Actually it removes NL/FR from the list of languages that the app can use for translation (KLocale). | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if a knetworkmanager package is provided, do you want it to autostart like skim or adept_notifier ? | 04:42 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: So when the modules are loaded, they also specify thier own translation file. BUT! | 04:42 |
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| _Sime_ | Riddell: it won't get used, because NL/FR have been removed from the list of available languages. | 04:43 |
| mornfall | so now to the wide buttons :'( | 04:43 |
| mornfall | that's a boring task | 04:44 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: Simply put. If systemsettings doesn't have a NL or FR etc translation then KLocale will not mix and match languages in the modules. | 04:44 |
| mornfall | could someone do that for me ? ;-) | 04:44 |
| jpatrick | _Sime_: where's the guidance tar? | 04:44 |
| _Sime_ | http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ | 04:44 |
| Pygi | Tonio_:pm pls | 04:45 |
| jeroenvrp | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=840330 | 04:45 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: that's quite nasty of it | 04:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, it should autostart | 04:54 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: it is like that to avoid situations like English (L to R) being mixed with Hebrew (R to L). | 04:55 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: it just means we have to get busy translating systemsettings. | 04:55 |
| Riddell | I suppose I could perfecter mon francais | 04:56 |
| Riddell | and you know dutch | 04:56 |
| Riddell | s/mon/ma/ | 04:56 |
| _Sime_ | there are not many strings in sysstemsettings. | 04:56 |
| _Sime_ | and most of them appear in kcontrol too. (I think). | 04:56 |
| Riddell | and we don't even show the menu bar any more so many aren't used | 04:57 |
| _Sime_ | BTW, I think I'm going to rip the "submit a bug report" code out of s-s. | 04:59 |
| _Sime_ | it is a hang over from kcontrol. | 04:59 |
| jpatrick | I could do the Spanish | 05:08 |
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| _Sime_ | I'm not sure if the normal KDE translations teams pick up on programs in KDE SVN playground. | 05:13 |
| _Sime_ | hey toma | 05:20 |
| toma | hi _Sime_ | 05:20 |
| _Sime_ | for Dapper we really need to get systemsettings translated. | 05:20 |
| _Sime_ | otherwise, (at the very least) all of the modules use EN. | 05:20 |
| _Sime_ | even if they are already translated. | 05:20 |
| nlindblad | _Sime_: what localization? | 05:21 |
| _Sime_ | nlindblad: localisation and translation of the systemsettings GUI. | 05:21 |
| nlindblad | _Sime_: everything running as root here is English | 05:21 |
| nlindblad | Adept for example | 05:21 |
| toma | _Sime_: if there is a pot, im sure Rinse will translate | 05:21 |
| _Sime_ | :-) | 05:22 |
| toma | _Sime_: is it in kdesvn or ? | 05:23 |
| _Sime_ | do you know what I have to do on a svn and makefile level for this to happen? | 05:23 |
| toma | _Sime_: if there is a messages target then it should be extreacted automaticall | 05:23 |
| toma | y | 05:24 |
| toma | something like: | 05:24 |
| toma | messages: rc.cpp | 05:24 |
| toma | $(EXTRACTRC) `find . -name \*.ui -o -name \*.rc` > rc.cpp | 05:24 |
| toma | $(XGETTEXT) *.cpp -o $(podir)/rsibreak.pot | 05:24 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/debs/guidance-0.6.3/ | 05:24 |
| _Sime_ | toma: it appears to only use unsermake. | 05:25 |
| _Sime_ | toma: nope, no messages target. | 05:26 |
| toma | _Sime_: if you add it to the Makefile.am, then a script will extract it all and put it in the right i18n folder | 05:27 |
| _Sime_ | toma: I'll have a closer look. | 05:27 |
| toma | you can look at playground/utils/rsibreak/src/Makefile.am as a reference | 05:28 |
| _Sime_ | ok | 05:29 |
| toma | _Sime_: that means when you package the systemsettings you should iterate over the available languages and fetch the translations and package them with systemsettings | 05:29 |
| toma | i can advice using a script like release_rsibreak.rb found in playground/utils/rsibreak to do that automatically | 05:31 |
| _Sime_ | toma: why is there a kcontro.po in /trunk/l10n/nl/messages/playground-base/ ? | 05:34 |
| _Sime_ | toma: looks a bit weird. | 05:34 |
| _Sime_ | toma: also, the Makefile.am already has a messages: rc.cpp line. | 05:34 |
| toma | _Sime_: you mean kcontrol.po? | 05:41 |
| _Sime_ | toma: there is a kcontrol.po there when I expected to see a systemsettings.po. | 05:42 |
| toma | kcontrol.po is also in the templates folder so, there has been a target in the past which created that | 05:42 |
| toma | somwhere in bas | 05:43 |
| toma | e | 05:43 |
| _Sime_ | systemsettings was based on kcontrol. | 05:44 |
| toma | ok, maybe something from the past then? forgot to adjust? let me check | 05:44 |
| toma | the target is incomplete btw, see my example above | 05:45 |
| toma | _Sime_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/Makefile.am?rev=486339&r1=475778&r2=486339 | 05:46 |
| toma | there is a systemsettings template, look at http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/ | 05:47 |
| toma | rinse just has not translated it | 05:47 |
| toma | i'll remove the kcontrol.pot | 05:48 |
| _Sime_ | ok, so it is in order. | 05:48 |
| toma | _Sime_: only that it extracts messages from .cpp files, not from .rc files.. | 05:50 |
| toma | no idea if that is needed | 05:50 |
| _Sime_ | that's ok, there is no text in the *.rc files. | 05:52 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: are you aware of any other programs in KDE's SVN that are not translated? | 05:57 |
| _Sime_ | or anybody else here. | 05:57 |
| fabo | Riddell: ping too ;) | 05:59 |
| _Sime_ | toma: ok, I'll have a closer look at that ruby script of yours after dinner. | 06:09 |
| toma | _Sime_: ok | 06:09 |
| _Sime_ | toma: thanks | 06:10 |
| toma | _Sime_: no problem | 06:10 |
| _Sime_ | fabo: yes, (I can't pm) | 06:10 |
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| fabo | _Sime_|food: about linitian init.d-script-does-not-implement-required-option for guidance | 06:12 |
| fabo | but rake your time to eat ;) | 06:12 |
| fabo | take | 06:12 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: have seen that kNM (you changed wiki) will be now in NM repositories - do you have already a package to test | 06:20 |
| Pygi | Lure: please wait ^_^ | 06:20 |
| Lure | I am also suspecting that my kNM problems may be related to wpasupplicant (I had it ENABLED in config file) | 06:20 |
| Pygi | Lure: no, you were missing one package ^_^ | 06:20 |
| Lure | Pygi: which one (it works with nm-applet) | 06:21 |
| Pygi | Lure: l-r-m packages | 06:21 |
| Lure | Pygi: I do not think so, I have ipw2200 which always worked | 06:21 |
| Lure | it just stopped today when we were playing with Tonio_ and only with kNM | 06:21 |
| Lure | I think l-r-m is for madwifi and similar | 06:22 |
| Pygi | Lure: yup, it is... sorry...well, me and Tonio got it workin'... | 06:23 |
| Pygi | for the most part...only ppp more needs removing | 06:23 |
| Pygi | and he got offline :-S | 06:23 |
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| mornfall | errm | 06:40 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: hi | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: re | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I was thinking about making a DapperKNetworkManager page | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | same than DapperNetworkManager | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | are you fine with it ? | 06:49 |
| NeoChaosX | hi Lure | 06:49 |
| Lure | why not just add KDE stuff to DapperNetworkManager | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ask Pygi ;) | 06:49 |
| Lure | kNM is anyway just front-end | 06:49 |
| Lure | Pygi: can we just add the info to your wiki page (and I can kill my sub-page) | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: and anyway the knetworkmanager will be on the same repo | 06:50 |
| Lure | exactly | 06:50 |
| Pygi | Lure: You can Kill your page, and Tonio will make DapperKNetworkManager ;) | 06:50 |
| Pygi | Tonio: about the repos, we need to talk ^_^ | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ah ? ;) | 06:51 |
| Lure | we should just point clearly that users should do appropriate install (knetworkmanager vs. nm-applet) | 06:51 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: hi | 06:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes | 06:51 |
| Pygi | Tonio: it seems that you will need to host all on your repo, as the current repo is DSL ^_^ | 06:51 |
| Pygi | Tonio: New n-m is in the current repo, waiting for you | 06:51 |
| Lure | Pygi: do you think we need to have separate page for kNM? I would just add to your DapperNM | 06:51 |
| Pygi | Lure: talk with Tonio_ about that | 06:52 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: You'll have to fetch a few more packages | 06:52 |
| Pygi | like l-r-m package, wpasupplicant 0.4.8, libnl ;) | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: it is managed with deps | 06:52 |
| Tonio_ | I should have anything to change | 06:53 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: do I ? | 06:53 |
| Pygi | Tonio: yes, I do understand...but we should have it all in repo | 06:53 |
| Pygi | Tonio: yes, fetch it into the repo | 06:53 |
| Pygi | please also fetch all the packages that are in current repo to urs | 06:53 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: to me knetworkmanager depends on network-manager which depends on other packages no ? | 06:53 |
| Pygi | Tonio: yup, agreed ^_^ | 06:54 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: but it seems you don't understand me ^_^ | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | hum, I removed everything in my repo ;) | 06:54 |
| Pygi | yes, I know ^_^ | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: why not simply use your's ? | 06:54 |
| Pygi | and now you need to get it back ^_^ | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | I'm a bit lost I must say :) | 06:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: Pygi is asking to replicate Johan's repo in yours | 06:54 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: because it's dsl, and it's gonna crash if a lot of users come ^_^ | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ah !!!!!!!!! | 06:54 |
| Tonio_ | so let's use my repo as a base ;) | 06:55 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: do you got it now? ^_^ | 06:55 |
| Pygi | Tonio: yup ^_^ | 06:55 |
| Tonio_ | it is a dedicated webserver | 06:55 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 06:55 |
| Tonio_ | no pb | 06:55 |
| Pygi | you need to fetch all packages from current repo, fetch wpasupplicant 0.4.8, libnl, l-r-m package (will give you link) | 06:55 |
| Pygi | and put in there ur package as well | 06:55 |
| Tonio_ | yep of course ;) | 06:56 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: O, finally you understand what I am saying :-P | 06:56 |
| Tonio_ | so apt-get source network-manager libnl wpasupplicant | 06:56 |
| Tonio_ | what else ? | 06:56 |
| Pygi | you can see wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperNetworkManager | 06:56 |
| Pygi | it is updated | 06:56 |
| Lure | Pygi: are you aware that new kernel build was just announced - would this impact your l-r-m packages? | 06:57 |
| Pygi | Lure: probably not.. we'll see ;) | 06:58 |
| Lure | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-March/007934.html | 06:58 |
| Pygi | yes, yes, I know | 06:58 |
| Lure | I am concerned that this may override your packages and would break NM for some users | 06:58 |
| Pygi | nop, no worries | 06:58 |
| Tonio_ | http://people.ubuntu.com/~adconrad/networkmanager-lrm/ | 06:58 |
| Tonio_ | do I need to grab all of this ? | 06:59 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: yup ;) | 06:59 |
| Pygi | and yes, I know it is big :-P | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf........ ^^ | 06:59 |
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| Pygi | Tonio: ^_^ | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: it'll take a few minutes to build :) | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | okay, I'm rebuilding everything from sources and upload then* | 07:00 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: k, and can I get access to repository so I could upload "updated packages" if need arises, or will you handle all? | 07:01 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: i can make you an ftp access account | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | just wait | 07:03 |
| NeoChaosX | hey Lure, do you mind if I explain here what's my WPA set up like? | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: you just have to upload, the repo content is updated every 15 minutes | 07:03 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: OK (maybe Pygi can help also) | 07:03 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: k, thanks | 07:04 |
| NeoChaosX | alright. I've got a D-Link DWL-G630 that has an Atheros chipset. Using the patched l-r-m to get WPA working with madwifi | 07:04 |
| NeoChaosX | before I tried NM, I had the card configued in /etc/network/interfaces and some networks defined in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, including the WPA network I use at home | 07:05 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: similar as me (just with ipw2200) | 07:06 |
| OculusAquilae | does kNM work now? | 07:06 |
| NeoChaosX | when I installed the new wpa_supplicant, I choose to save my old settings for the program rather than let the package install it's files over it. Should I have let it overwrite my old settings? | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | the ppp package isn't working nicely | 07:07 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: I think so - with NM wpasupplicant should not run (ENABLED=0) as it is controled by NM | 07:07 |
| Lure | Tonio_: :-( | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | I'm going to upload without it for the moment and work on that after ;) | 07:07 |
| NeoChaosX | I see | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we have time :) | 07:07 |
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| NeoChaosX | now, when I tried with nm-applet, it was connecting, although, it would drop the connection after about a minute or so | 07:08 |
| NeoChaosX | i didn't get the logs of it's activity for some reason | 07:09 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: this sounds like bacground scan issue I spotted while reading IRC logs | 07:09 |
| NeoChaosX | background scan? | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: once the package is uploaded are you okay to help me with that ptch ? | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | sounds a bit harder to perform than the vpn one | 07:10 |
| NeoChaosX | Lure: could you elaborate on that issue? | 07:10 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: madwifi driver does not support scanning while connection is active | 07:10 |
| NeoChaosX | Oh, I see | 07:10 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: you may want to search http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I think we only need to hide the ppp entry in context menu, that's it | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | nothing more | 07:11 |
| Lure | just look ubuntu-devel channel logs for last 2-3 days | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | but I didn't find exactly where to do it | 07:11 |
| NeoChaosX | okay, I'll look there | 07:11 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I can look into code and see if I can help with patch | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I must say I didn't check hard | 07:11 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I will test for sure! | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay ;) | 07:11 |
| NeoChaosX | The thing is, with KNM, as I said in the forums, it's not even managing to get to the supplicant | 07:11 |
| Pygi | NeoChaosX: worry do not, it'll be fixed ;) | 07:12 |
| NeoChaosX | Alright. I guess I can wait | 07:12 |
| Lure | NeoChaosX: that is what Tonio_ and myself are currently working on ;-) | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | NeoChaosX: it is supposed to work now | 07:12 |
| Lure | we need to strip more code out and latest source would also help (but not released yet by SuSE) | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | but I need to build everything first :) | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it is release with latest suse version | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | don't know where to grab the source code | 07:13 |
| NeoChaosX | Tonio: you got wlassistant working in Ubuntu? | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | NeoChaosX: yes :) | 07:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: exactly - and you have seen Timo comment | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | perfectly working | 07:13 |
| NeoChaosX | I guess I'll try that, too, then | 07:13 |
| hunger | ls | 07:14 |
| hunger | sorry. | 07:14 |
| Pygi | NeoChaosX: we'll have an announcement later on...just wait pls ^_^ | 07:14 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: perhaps we could really call it KPPP if it is installed by default in Kubuntu? | 07:14 |
| NeoChaosX | Sure thing, Pygi. I'll be paying attention for that, then | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: in a second step yes | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | why not in fact :) | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | but not sure of the good interaction | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I'm building everthing, uploading everything, and then we'll test ;) | 07:15 |
| NeoChaosX | thanks for all the help, guys. | 07:15 |
| Pygi | NeoChaosX: yw | 07:16 |
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| Pygi | Tonio_: k, great... | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: network-manager ftbfs........ | 07:20 |
| Pygi | btw. it seems that our l-r-m packages will break once new kernel is released | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf...... | 07:20 |
| Pygi | o joy...what now? ;) | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnl | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | make[4] : *** [NetworkManager] Error 1 | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | using pbuilder | 07:21 |
| Lure | Pygi: we need to wait for this release and the rebuild | 07:21 |
| Lure | Tonio_: wrong source dependancy to libnl? | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | yep :) | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | exactly | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | I'm changing this | 07:21 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you have anticipated that ;-) | 07:21 |
| Pygi | kk, thanks | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | libnl-dev | 07:22 |
| Pygi | Lure: we can have the current l-r-m packages, and rebuild later... | 07:22 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is : why isn't libnl-dev depending on libnl1 ? | 07:22 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is there | 07:22 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: may I correct this ? | 07:22 |
| Lure | Pygi: problem is that new release will probably override patched one and users will have madwifi w/o NM support | 07:22 |
| Lure | you will then get wrong reports that it does not work | 07:23 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: yes, please do...but also upload libnl-dev to repository as well | 07:23 |
| Pygi | Lure: when is new kernel getting out? | 07:23 |
| Tonio_ | of course | 07:23 |
| Lure | Pygi: when it succesfully builds on all platforms (from couple of hours to a day - at least from experience) | 07:23 |
| Pygi | Lure: hm,ok...we'll wait for the announcement then | 07:24 |
| Lure | Pygi: I think it make sense - I would not like to get negative reports that may influence later smooth inclusion into Dapper ;-) | 07:24 |
| Lure | BTW, you can watch build waiting list here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds | 07:25 |
| Pygi | Lure: worry do not ;) | 07:25 |
| Pygi | Lure: it's gonna take a long time ;) | 07:25 |
| Lure | Pygi: you can see that sparc already completed build of 2.6.15-19.28 | 07:26 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: Btw., note that if you need to edit the control file in the n-m package, edit debian/control.in and then run DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL=yes fakeroot debian/rules clean and inspect the generated debian/control. | 07:27 |
| Lure | and it failed on amd64 - it may take long, yes :-( | 07:27 |
| Pygi | That's cdbs's feature that allows automatic generation of some dependencies. | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I'm editing control in libnl package :) | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | to make libnl-dev depending libnm1 | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | libnl1 | 07:29 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: kk, great ;) | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: don't you use pbuilder to build packages ? | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | I assume no cause you would have seen the problem :) | 07:30 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ^_^ | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: you should, really ;) | 07:30 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: please blame Tom Parker ^_^ Thank you ^_^ | 07:31 |
| Lure | Pygi: amd64 failed due to missing fw for ipw2200 - I suppose they can fix this quickly | 07:31 |
| mornfall | http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-installer-buttons.png | 07:31 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: i think you complained too? :) | 07:31 |
| mornfall | if someone else did, look and tell what you think | 07:31 |
| Lure | Tonio_: should I then remove DialUp or will you change it to use kppp? | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we may test this :) | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you can apt-get source knetworkmanager on my repo | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | although it cannot install (networkmanager still missing) | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: can you have a look plz ? | 07:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will do | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | time for me to build everything :) | 07:34 |
| Lure | I know... | 07:34 |
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| Pygi | Tonio_: repo is signed with what key? | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | unsigned | 07:35 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: better. | 07:35 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: that is not good .... | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: before submitting the package to canonical, I suggest we remove that tarball.mk stuff :) agree ??? | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: wy ? | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | it is a public testing repo | 07:35 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: is it possible to put the buttons under the text area on the right side, and also to put the | 07:35 |
| Pygi | Tonio: agreed | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | why signing it | 07:35 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah ok, no signing | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | the packages are signed of course | 07:36 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: I agreed on removing the .mk stuff | 07:36 |
| Pygi | yes, I know | 07:36 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: "X to install, Y to remove" text next above the buttons. | 07:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: is still may make sense to sign - at least you know that you have built them | 07:36 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: AND remove the other text from the status bar. | 07:36 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: we ain't gonna actually submit nothing, until everything is tested and works ^_^ | 07:36 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: under the text area? | 07:36 |
| Pygi | Lure: nah, no need to sign nothing | 07:36 |
| mornfall | how do you imagine that? | 07:37 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: so that that grey space to the left of the buttons dissappears. | 07:37 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: we will have to lintian the packages too | 07:37 |
| Tonio_ | correcting al errors | 07:37 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: wtf? | 07:37 |
| Tonio_ | might take a little moment :) | 07:37 |
| Lure | Tonio_: Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/source/knetworkmanager_0.09+0.1r5842.orig.tar.gz 403 Forbidden | 07:37 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: so they take width of complete window? | 07:37 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: yup, I know... everything should be perfect ;) | 07:37 |
| mornfall | i thought that was what you so disliked? | 07:37 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ah ? wait ;) | 07:37 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: no, bring the bottom of the app list down a bit and close up that empty space. | 07:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: should be okay :) | 07:38 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: not possible at all | 07:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: true ;-) | 07:38 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: what happens when i click next? | 07:38 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: what next? | 07:39 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: apply changes | 07:39 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: the layout will reshuffle? | 07:39 |
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| mornfall | anyhow | 07:39 |
| mornfall | not possible | 07:39 |
| mornfall | not to mention it would cause lots of layout headaches | 07:39 |
| === _Sime_ will have a look at how adept_installer now works. | ||
| Tonio_ | Pygi: everything is on the repo except linux-restricted modules | 07:40 |
| mornfall | i could remove the installed/available/upgradable statistic from statusbar | 07:41 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: please put them as well if it's not too much trouble...so we can test current packages for now... | 07:41 |
| mornfall | but i am not sure what would that help | 07:41 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: and we'll just update the package later | 07:41 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: currently building :) | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | not a problem with bandwidth, ust that it is long to build :) | 07:42 |
| === _Sime_ is just going to quickly swap the gfx card on his dapper machine first..... | ||
| Pygi | Tonio_: we'll just wait with the announcment until we build l-r-m for new kernel, and until we make sure ppp is solved on knetworkmanager | 07:48 |
| Pygi | Lure, Tonio_: so are you going to link against KPPP, or just erase it off the menu? | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: yes right :) | 07:48 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: we will test maybe :) | 07:48 |
| Lure | Pygi: I would remove for now, as nobody will test | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: are you looking at the sources ? | 07:49 |
| Lure | we may add it back later (with next upstream sync) if it works | 07:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I think we just have to remove the entry in the context menu in fact | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | no need to remove the full feature from the source code | 07:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I suggest we remove all code, as we did with VPN | 07:49 |
| Lure | same was done in NM with VPN | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: not as easy as the vpn stuff :) | 07:50 |
| Pygi | Lure: no need...just remove from the menu | 07:50 |
| Lure | only problem is that two patches may conflict | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I had to remove a few vpn entries and add that to your patch | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | it was faling in pbuilder | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | now it works ;) | 07:50 |
| Pygi | Lure: just remove it from menu, that's better solution | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no two patches will not conflict | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: use cdbs to patch | 07:51 |
| === mornfall thinks "fetch updates" could use a bit of rephrasing | ||
| Tonio_ | then it'll apply the first patches, and you will work in the patched sources | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: familiar with this or not ? | 07:51 |
| Lure | Tonio_: with cdbs - no | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you should have a look | 07:51 |
| Lure | cdbs is part of which package? | 07:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I would suggest just removing the entry cause that'll help wor package updates :) | 07:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: apt-get install cdbs | 07:52 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: agreed... | 07:52 |
| Pygi | Lure: so Lure, just remove it from menu | 07:52 |
| Tonio_ | I don't really like 40k patches :) | 07:52 |
| Pygi | no need to remove code | 07:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but then we should re-do the VPN patch also | 07:53 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: maybe yes | 07:53 |
| Pygi | Lure: nop, not really | 07:53 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 07:53 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: no perhaps... dapper will never have support for vpn | 07:53 |
| Lure | Pygi: kNM VPN patch, not NM one | 07:53 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: the patch is 40 k | 07:53 |
| Pygi | Lure: yes, I am aware of that | 07:53 |
| Tonio_ | will be a pain for updates | 07:53 |
| Tonio_ | no need to patch everything | 07:53 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, ok, then just return it | 07:53 |
| Pygi | easier to maintain package afterwards | 07:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I recall now - VPN had to go, as there is no NM-VPN.h file! | 07:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the difference with vpn is that thare are built cpp files, header files inclusion etc........ | 07:54 |
| Tonio_ | we don't have another choice thatn removing the code or build fails | 07:54 |
| Tonio_ | it is different with ppp, it is just a link in a menu :) | 07:54 |
| Tonio_ | so we don't have deep patch to perform | 07:54 |
| Lure | OK, I will do then just menu removal for DialUp | 07:54 |
| Tonio_ | exactly........ | 07:55 |
| Lure | VPN stays removed completely for now | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | we will be fucked with every updates because of that vpn stuff but that's it :) | 07:55 |
| Lure | I hope there will not be many... ;-) | 07:55 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: I'll be going now ... will be back in like an hour ... don't do nothing silly while I am not here ;) | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: linux drivers uploading | 07:56 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I never do silly things ;) | 07:56 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: k, we will change wiki's when I come back | 07:56 |
| Tonio_ | except when out of my computer :) | 07:56 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: after I installed something, adept_installer disappeared. huh. | 08:00 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: disappeared? or only offered quit | 08:00 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: offered "Done: quit" | 08:00 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: so stop confusing me | 08:01 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: that's obviously fixed now :) | 08:01 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: fixed? | 08:01 |
| mornfall | well, there are now 2 buttons | 08:01 |
| mornfall | so there's back to program selection and quit | 08:01 |
| _Sime_ | ok | 08:03 |
| _Sime_ | "Forget changes and quit" ==>"Cancel & Quit" ? | 08:04 |
| mornfall | Riddell: kdesu is causing me lots of headache :'( | 08:06 |
| mornfall | apparently more bugs reported against adept are kdesu problems than adept problems | 08:06 |
| === mornfall kicks malone *goddamn thing* why can't it remember sorting i use in bug lists | ||
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| Riddell | fabo: hi | 08:09 |
| Riddell | mornfall: what problems does it cause? | 08:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: the adept fail to start bugs all seem to disappear when one uses sudo adept instead of kdesu adept | 08:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: then, there is the style issue and translation issue | 08:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: and then there are the mysterious freezes that disappear when kdesu is not used (hitting details while running with kdesu freezes adept in some situations) | 08:11 |
| === Pygi is partly back | ||
| Pygi | Tonio_: I just thought of somethin'... | 08:12 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: If we will have to support this package for 3 years... | 08:12 |
| mornfall | and then there is the skim snafu, having skim active makes adept totally crawl | 08:13 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: wouldn't it be hard if we would always need to handle the vpn stuff? :-/ | 08:13 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: dunno ;) | 08:13 |
| mornfall | i don't know what is skim doing to the program, but it's weird | 08:13 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: there is no other way to do it | 08:13 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: well, I know ;-P | 08:13 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: yup, that is understandable | 08:13 |
| === mornfall installs skim to see what happens | ||
| Pygi | Tonio_: can you please edit both wiki pages to appropriate repos? | 08:14 |
| Pygi | then we'll do the merging once I am fully back | 08:15 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 08:15 |
| Tonio_ | I'll do that | 08:15 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: k, thanks | 08:15 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: http://www.simonzone.com/software/adept_installer_gui_sime.png | 08:16 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: btw. are you sure you changed libnl-dev to be dependant on libnl? | 08:17 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: i said "no" already | 08:17 |
| Pygi | they are same number :-/ | 08:17 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: Also, everything you changed in any package...have you added it to the changelog? | 08:17 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: or, let me rephrase: i will consider it when i see patches | 08:17 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: awww go on. :) | 08:17 |
| Pygi | Tonio | 08:17 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: As the original was versioned -1, the changed version should probably be versioned -1ubuntu0.1 | 08:18 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: So if and when it's moved to an official Ubuntu repository, the version can be changed to -1ubuntu1, which is still greater than -1ubuntu0.whatever | 08:18 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: nope, version should be 0ubuntu1 | 08:19 |
| Tm_T | moin | 08:20 |
| Lure | Pygi: no debian package exist yet | 08:20 |
| Lure | AFAIK | 08:20 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: I am not really sure in that... also, have you changed the changelog? and why is it the same version if you changed dependecies? | 08:20 |
| Pygi | The changelog can be modified easily with the dch utility | 08:20 |
| Pygi | % dch -n -D dapper | 08:20 |
| Tonio_ | <debianversion>ubuntu<ubuntuversion> | 08:20 |
| Riddell | mornfall: any idea if these problems are caused by the sudo use of kdesu rather than kdesu as su? | 08:21 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: perhaps, but we are going for original naming... | 08:21 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: -n means non-maintainer update (so the last bit of the version number is increased, e.g. -1ubuntu0.5 -1ubuntu0.6). As the package is not official, you can remove the "* Non-maintainer update" line it adds from the changelog. | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: this is the ubuntu naming convention | 08:21 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, ok ... have you at least changed the changelog? | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: nmu isn't important in ubuntu/main | 08:21 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: is adept in kde playground?? | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: didn't you ? | 08:22 |
| Tonio_ | uupdate can perform the changelog update automatically | 08:22 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: I did ...but to libnl-dev I thought... that you changed the deps? | 08:22 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: no need to comment any modification in debian/ folder | 08:22 |
| Tonio_ | as it is the original upload | 08:23 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: hm, kk | 08:23 |
| Tonio_ | when it is an update of an existing package, that is to comment, yes | 08:23 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: can you imagin the original changelog if you comment EVERYTHING in the debian folder ;) | 08:23 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: and hopefully "non-maintainer update" doesn't exist? | 08:23 |
| Tonio_ | 40 pages at least | 08:23 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: hehe ;) | 08:23 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: this isn't important in hte ubuntu world | 08:24 |
| Tonio_ | it is in debian's | 08:24 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, ok | 08:24 |
| Tonio_ | okay, let me polish the packages | 08:24 |
| Tonio_ | gimme an hour | 08:24 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: hehe, ok, I am away for an hour anyway | 08:24 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: don't worry, found it. | 08:24 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: currently only _ion is listed as maintainer of n-m packages, add me in there as well ^_^ | 08:25 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: in the package I mean ^_^ | 08:25 |
| Pygi | see ya later | 08:25 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ;) | 08:25 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: what I did this time? ^_^ | 08:25 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ok, you haven't answered me what I did this time? ^_^ btw. I hope you have added urself as maintainter of knm package? | 08:28 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i can try reproducing on debian kdesu | 08:29 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i think fail to start happens here too from time to time (with kdesu) | 08:29 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: well, if you are serious about hacking it | 08:30 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: i should probably update the kde svn copy of it :) | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: problem with linux-restricted package | 08:30 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: how hard could it be. | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | impossible to debuild -S it........ | 08:30 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: uh, huh | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: what is this d-i folder ? | 08:30 |
| Lure | Tonio_: debian-installer? | 08:31 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: I just want to try shuffling a couple of widgets around. | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: don't know except that it fails | 08:31 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: depending on how experienced you are, probably few hours of work | 08:31 |
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| mornfall | _Sime_: (maybe more... i guess it'd take me at least an hour) | 08:32 |
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| mornfall | _Sime_: (and a fairly heavy violation of my freeze rules) | 08:32 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: hm ... | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: let me check | 08:33 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: it is debian-installer but ... | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: it is a problem in the package structure | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | that is due to the fact you don't use pbuilder and debuild | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | but dpkg-buildpackage | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | right ? | 08:35 |
| Pygi | the l-r-m packages were made by infinity | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ho yes right :) | 08:38 |
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| Pygi | Tonio_: what now? :-P | 08:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: these packages are original ubuntu + one patch - can we just redo-them? | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: not that easy | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | well let me go for an hour to polish those packages :) | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | I can't do that if I'm pingued every 5 seconds here :) | 08:40 |
| Lure | What if we just download infinity packages (binary) and put them in your repository? | 08:40 |
| Lure | ;-) | 08:40 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: nobody pinged you ... I see no ping ... and I was still unable to go for an hour :-/ | 08:41 |
| Pygi | Lure: we did that... and they are no good ;) | 08:41 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ust that this konversation is blinking everytime :) | 08:42 |
| Tonio_ | s/ust/just | 08:42 |
| Pygi | kk, go work ^_^ | 08:42 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: so how? i have pulled now so i can push changes to svn.kde.org if you like :) | 08:45 |
| mornfall | Riddell: is "Get New Applications" the Name you want for installer? | 08:46 |
| mornfall | Riddell: my branch says Add/Remove Programs as GenericName and Adept Installer as Name | 08:46 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: I'll try to have a look at it this week. | 08:54 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: I've also got to fix up the systemsettings tarballs (e.g. collecting all the translated *.po files) | 08:55 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: okey, let me know upfront in that case | 08:56 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: that you want to work on it | 08:56 |
| _Sime_ | mornfall: I'll play with it first before sinking too much time into it. | 08:57 |
| mornfall | sure :) | 08:57 |
| mornfall | _Sime_: the idea is that i won't needlessly sync up now if not needed | 08:57 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: 2 items left on 1.91 todo -- clear up .desktop files and bug you about app-install-data :-) | 09:04 |
| mornfall | Riddell: (or bug mvo) | 09:04 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: should be clean now :) | 09:06 |
| === ubijtsa sees the version string "1.91" and wonders if adept is being updated | ||
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| === ubijtsa also wonders if that might fix Malone#31736 | ||
| mornfall | ubijtsa: yes, but nothing major :) | 09:11 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I have a patch, but this packaging still bothers me (cdbs) | 09:12 |
| Lure | I tested it only as manual build, not as package... | 09:13 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: still, I'll try and verify that defect again, once the update been posted | 09:13 |
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| mornfall | ubijtsa: which defect? *puzzled* | 09:14 |
| ubijtsa | Malone#31736 | 09:14 |
| Lure | Tonio_: are you back? | 09:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes | 09:14 |
| Tonio_ | need to reboot :) | 09:14 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: don't worry, frequently I don't know what I am talking about either ;) | 09:14 |
| mornfall | ubotu: bug 31736 | 09:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31736 in ept adept "adept updater hangs when viewing Details of package" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31736 | 09:15 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: probably kdesu issue :/ | 09:15 |
| Lure | I have a patch, but am strugling with getting it proper for package (cdbs newbie) | 09:15 |
| Lure | can I send it to you and you try getting it in | 09:15 |
| Lure | I tested it on manual build and it works | 09:15 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: the strange part - it *only* seems to happen if adept_updater is launched from the notification area icon | 09:15 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: hmm, let me try | 09:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: back in 10 minutes to test this :) | 09:16 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: in the comments on the defect, there is a link to my personal wiki where there are pictures showing the problem | 09:16 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: right, does not lock up here | 09:17 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: it happens for any package right? | 09:18 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: yep | 09:18 |
| mornfall | now | 09:18 |
| mornfall | broadcast: can anyone please try reproducing 31736 on up to date dapper? | 09:18 |
| mornfall | it goes like: click notifier, let updater fetch updates, click details on some package | 09:19 |
| === ubijtsa is not at the computer where the problem shows up, but will be in the morning | ||
| mornfall | ubijtsa: it does not happen on debian (kdesu using su not sudo) | 09:19 |
| mornfall | let me try with my copy of dapper | 09:19 |
| ubijtsa | I have a dapper install on a thinkpad, will give it a shot there | 09:20 |
| ubijtsa | breaks on my thinkpad as well | 09:22 |
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| mornfall | ubijtsa: interesting | 09:23 |
| ubijtsa | last update I did on that was yesterday | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | works perfectly :) | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | GREAT | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: simply remove everything and just install knetworkmanager within my repo | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | everything is nice | 09:23 |
| ubijtsa | if I run adept_updater from the commandline, no problem | 09:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wana test ? | 09:23 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: will do this now | 09:23 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: running from dapper now | 09:24 |
| Lure | I have sent noDialUp patch over e-mail if you need it still. | 09:24 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: doesn't crash -- upgrading to latest dapper now | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: repo works, knetworkmanager works | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: the network-manager package is now without the tarball.mk | 09:24 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: so when you 'open' a package in the list, and click the 'Details' button - it doesn't lock up? | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I just have a problem with signal strengh | 09:25 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: that's right | 09:25 |
| ubijtsa | interesting... | 09:25 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: i'm fairly out of date | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: everything is on maximum... do you have the same issue ? | 09:25 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think this is bug in kNM | 09:25 |
| ubijtsa | I wonder why it does for me, on two completely separate boxen | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, we should investigate this later | 09:25 |
| Lure | Tonio_: no, it is just lower than it should be | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | shouldn't be hard to patch | 09:25 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: but apparently kdebase (and thus kdesu) is newest | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hu ? lower ? oposite here :) everything is on max strengh | 09:26 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I think I raised the defect around Flight3/4 sometime | 09:26 |
| mornfall | Installed: 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu12 | 09:26 |
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| mornfall | ubijtsa: on the other hand, i am running notifier out-of-session (over ssh -Y to my other machine, chrooted to dapper, inside session of kde from etch) | 09:27 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: one sec.. | 09:27 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I have 0ubuntu14 | 09:28 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: oh? :) | 09:28 |
| ubijtsa | yup | 09:28 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: *puzzle* -- candidate says 12 here :) | 09:29 |
| ubijtsa | :) | 09:29 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: that's problem with ndiswrapper | 09:29 |
| mornfall | let's wait for a bit | 09:29 |
| mornfall | while updater downloads the rest of stuff | 09:29 |
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| mornfall | 116M, 88% done | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ah oki ;) | 09:29 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I can post my sources.list if that'd help | 09:29 |
| Pygi | Lure_: if ur using madwifi, it doesn't show percentages, so its always lower | 09:29 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: we can't influence that | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: wlassistant works here | 09:30 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: i will hope very hard that it doesn't matter :) | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have this issue with it | 09:30 |
| Lure_ | Pygi: I have ipw2200 | 09:30 |
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| Pygi | Tonio_: hm ... | 09:30 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: You'd not be the first to scratch your head over this defect | 09:30 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: let's just blame it on knm for now, and don't worry about it | 09:30 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: we can fix it later | 09:30 |
| Pygi | now about merging those two wiki's | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: agree | 09:30 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: who else? :) | 09:30 |
| mornfall | unpacking | 09:31 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I don't understand why it'd make a difference running it from the commandline in kdesu compared to from the notification icon | 09:31 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: stdout/stderr for one | 09:31 |
| Lure_ | Pygi: wiki - we should just have two install modes: GNOME (nm-applet) and KDE (knetworkmanager) | 09:31 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I spoke to someone else in ubuntu-bugs that looked at it, and they could not understand the problem either | 09:32 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: let's work out the wiki's merging thingy | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/images/knetworkmanager.jpg | 09:32 |
| Lure_ | Just need to change apt-get install line | 09:32 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: you have a point there | 09:32 |
| Pygi | Lure_: agreed, but that doesn't make sense .... we would need to do double contributors, maintainers, etc | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: going to make a coffee, back and do this ;) | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | oki ? | 09:32 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: kk ;) | 09:32 |
| Pygi | enjoy | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 09:33 |
| Tonio_ | I have a top class coffee machine ;) | 09:33 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: anyway, I'll update that defect everytime there is a new version of adept until it's fixed :) | 09:33 |
| ubijtsa | I'll also try and find new defects ;) | 09:33 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: are you *sure* you have 14 of kdebase? | 09:35 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: aye | 09:35 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: is it from dapper? | 09:36 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: and of -bin, -data, -dev and -kio-plugins | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: we'll get it in :) | 09:36 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: let me double check | 09:36 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: hehe ;) | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: okay for the wiki :) | 09:36 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: switching mirrors | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I was thinking about creating a wikipage for knetworkmanager | 09:37 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: perhaps we could announce all today once we redo the wiki, and just tell people to do updates once we rebuild l-r-m packages | 09:37 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: okey, busted mirror :| | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/DapperKNetworkmanager | 09:37 |
| Pygi | Tonio: yup, that would be a great idea | 09:37 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I only have dapper, dapper-updates, dapper-backports and dapper-security switched on | 09:37 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: make it look somewhat like the current one of NetworkManager | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I didn't change anything to l-r-m package | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | it has been done by an ubuntu guy :) | 09:37 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: it's on 14 here now too | 09:37 |
| ubijtsa | and one repo for amarok and one for kopete | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | so let's keep it is like it is | 09:37 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, kk | 09:37 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: *phew* :) | 09:37 |
| mornfall | another 87M :| | 09:38 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: but we'll have to rebuild it once new kernel is here ... will you be able to do it? | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | I renamed all other packages version, polished them etc......... | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I assume it'll be done no ? | 09:38 |
| === mornfall notes that this did not happen with debian mirror yet | ||
| Tonio_ | by the same guy | 09:38 |
| mornfall | and i use debian considerably longer than ubuntu :p | 09:38 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, ok | 09:38 |
| mornfall | official mirror that is | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | this package is supposed to get in by itself | 09:38 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: lol, ok ^_^ | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: it is maintained by canonical, so np | 09:39 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I used to use debian, but migrated when Hoary was heading for change-freeze | 09:39 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ok, let's build a DapperKNetworkManager | 09:39 |
| Pygi | I'll write a skeleton now | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I'm on it :) | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | no don't mind, I'm on it, and I'm copying the dappernetworkmanager page :) | 09:40 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I now run exclusively kubuntu, and have managed to get half a dozen colleagues to switch as well | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: or do you have another plan ? | 09:40 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: I am writing a skeleton for you... | 09:40 |
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| ubijtsa | mornfall: the key seemed to be when I installed breezy on a Dell GX280 and it installed faster than WinXP did, and more stuff worked with ubuntu than with WinXP out of the box | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: okay, ;) | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | I'm waiting | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: drinking my coffee with a cigarette ;) | 09:41 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: GX280? | 09:41 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: desktop machine? | 09:42 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: a Dell Optiplex GX280, small desktop | 09:42 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: okey :) -- i haven't installed windows for ages | 09:42 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: neither have I, but I watched a stubborn colleague try, while smiling serenely of course | 09:43 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: my dell latitude d410 worked mostly out of the box after pxe-installing etch on it :) | 09:43 |
| ubijtsa | :) | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: can we also talk about wlassiatant on that page ? | 09:44 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: we'll see ;) wait ... | 09:44 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: only slight problem was picking the right ipw2200 firmware :) | 09:44 |
| mornfall | unpacking again | 09:44 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I can imagine | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: /me shuting down and waiting :) | 09:44 |
| mornfall | hmm, every time i use updater i am surprized how smoothly it goes :) | 09:45 |
| === ubijtsa still mainly uses aptitude | ||
| ubijtsa | console tool that is sleek, fast and very good | 09:46 |
| ubijtsa | much like centericq and muttng | 09:46 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: pelase fill out this section | 09:48 |
| Pygi | Dapper KNetworkManager | 09:48 |
| Pygi | Thanks | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: which page ? | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | dappernetworkmanager or dapperknetworkmanager ? | 09:49 |
| Pygi | knetworkmanager | 09:49 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: now i need to downgrade something :) | 09:50 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: really? | 09:50 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: well, how else i test updater locking up :) | 09:50 |
| ubijtsa | I have adept latest iirc | 09:51 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: interesting -- it still works :) | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: what else needs to be changed ? | 09:51 |
| ubijtsa | let me get the version | 09:51 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: no, downgrade a package so that notifier shows something to update | 09:51 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: just that for now | 09:51 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: I need to edit one thing tho, so tell me when ur done | 09:51 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: i installed info/breezy :) | 09:51 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: 1.90ubuntu1 | 09:51 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: ah.. hehe | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | ok | 09:52 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: anyhow, it still does not freeze | 09:52 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: strange... | 09:52 |
| mornfall | if someone on dapper can reproduce, it'd be interesting to have something for comparison | 09:52 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: any chance you are running skim? | 09:53 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: skim got forcibly thrust on me, but I believe it happened before skim was introduced | 09:53 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: perhaps Luke's page can now be deleted? | 09:53 |
| Pygi | is he here anyway? | 09:53 |
| ubijtsa | I tend to kill skim and make sure it doesn't start again | 09:54 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: skim causes adept freezes in some setups apparently | 09:54 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: really? how interesting... | 09:54 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: o gee, who killed our annoucement? | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: done ;) | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: it has been killed ? | 09:54 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, found it | 09:55 |
| ubijtsa | could anyone explain why skim gets forced upon users, especially those that have no need of it what-so-ever... | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I added text to the page | 09:55 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: k, great... I'll look it in a sec | 09:55 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: let me destroy skim, and try again | 09:55 |
| hunger | ubijtsa: IIRC it is because nobody thought of a better way to do it yet. | 09:55 |
| mornfall | skim crashes on its own here but i didn't get it to freeze adept yet | 09:55 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: it's no good... look what you did... | 09:56 |
| ubijtsa | hunger: just curious why there wasn't a meta-package that would pull it in rather than the *-desktop package itself | 09:57 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: alive? ;) | 09:58 |
| mornfall | let's try installing scim-chinese what happens | 09:58 |
| === ubijtsa is restarting X, KDE and the rest to get rid of skim | ||
| Tonio_ | Pygi: yes what's the problem ? | 10:01 |
| ubijtsa | interesting.. telling skim not to restart or be part of the session is ignored. That be a defect then | 10:01 |
| Pygi | Tonio: no enters used, url isn't provided, nothin' | 10:01 |
| Pygi | check it out | 10:01 |
| ubijtsa | and when quitting it through the notification area, it stays running, that is another defect | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: hu ??? | 10:01 |
| ubijtsa | killing it causes a SEGV, so that is a third defect | 10:02 |
| ubijtsa | looks like skim is good huntingground for defects | 10:02 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: here, even clicking ok in configuration causes it to segfault | 10:02 |
| mornfall | *shrug* | 10:02 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: do you understand errors? | 10:03 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I get the impression that skim wasn't quite ready for inclusion | 10:03 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: well, it's generally not my problem (apart from the cases where it causes adept hang on startup, but well oh well, i can just tell users to get something less broken) | 10:04 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: anyway, no skim in the way, I still see the hang and a strace -p of adept_updater gives me "futex(0x8504c1c, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL" | 10:05 |
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| mornfall | ubijtsa: oh... i forgot about the futex thing | 10:06 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: what's your arch btw? | 10:06 |
| ubijtsa | i386 | 10:06 |
| mornfall | cpu? amd/intel | 10:06 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it works and now I know why it did not before | 10:06 |
| Lure | it seems kNM stores recent connection with some hints in .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc | 10:07 |
| ubijtsa | intel P-M on the X31 here, and a P4HT at work | 10:07 |
| Lure | this was preventing it to connect to my network | 10:07 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: mostly same hardware as me :| | 10:07 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: ultra-weird | 10:07 |
| ubijtsa | I run a -686 kernel here, and a -686-smp at work | 10:07 |
| Lure | this is why nm-applet worked and kNM did not... :-( | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ah ok :) | 10:07 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: hmm, what are you stracing btw? | 10:07 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: ah, attaching strace | 10:08 |
| hunger | There is a kNM applet now? | 10:08 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: the adept_updater process | 10:08 |
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| ubijtsa | mornfall: running it in gdb yields nothing, probably because of the stderr/stdout you mentioned earlier | 10:08 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: no, gdb is broken | 10:09 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: adept seems to expose some gdb bug | 10:09 |
| Lure | Tonio_: got my patch for dialup? | 10:09 |
| ubijtsa | In the defect, there is a gdb backtrace of a hang though, where I attached gdb to the hung process | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: applyed, currently building :) | 10:09 |
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| Lure | great | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | then I'll test and eventually upload | 10:10 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: it'd be nice if you could somehow get stdout+stderr of adept_updater running from notifier | 10:10 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: dunno if that helped at all, but if you want, I can do that again with next version | 10:10 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: (one way i can think of to do that is running startkde from terminal) | 10:10 |
| Lure | I really have to learn this packaging stuff ;-) | 10:10 |
| hunger | Where does this annoying google search thingy come from in konqui all of a sudden? | 10:10 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I can test that in the morning, right now I have to see to my little boy :) | 10:11 |
| ubijtsa | hunger: the double google search input? | 10:11 |
| hunger | How do I get rid of it again? | 10:11 |
| hunger | ubijtsa: There is only one here... | 10:11 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: gotcha | 10:11 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: looking at the backtrace again -- KMimeType::errorMissingMimeType () from | 10:12 |
| hunger | ubijtsa: but I can not remove it, it is not listed in the configure toolbar dialog. | 10:12 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: #16 0x37861ff5 in KMessageBox::sorry () from | 10:12 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: i now get it! harrr harrr | 10:12 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: the hang? | 10:12 |
| tvo | hunger: 'configure extensions' | 10:12 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: yes -- the problem is that it wants to pop up a dialog from wrong thread | 10:12 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: I'll look forward to the fix ;) | 10:13 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: i would never think that it would try to pop up a dialog :| | 10:13 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: your system is | 10:13 |
| hunger | tvo: Wow, that is easy to discover:-) | 10:13 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: s/is/must be broken somehow -- it cannot find mimetypes/ | 10:13 |
| ubijtsa | mornfall: right.. I'll try and work out how to fix that.. in the morning | 10:14 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: okey | 10:14 |
| Lure | Pygi: does it really make sense to have two pages with most of content duplicated? | 10:16 |
| Pygi | Lure: yes, it does ^_^ | 10:16 |
| Lure | Pygi: why - knetworkmanager is just another front-end, like nm-applet | 10:17 |
| Pygi | Lure: so? ^_^ | 10:17 |
| Lure | you could simply write on page if you gave Ubuntu install nm-applet, if Kubuntu install knetworkmanager | 10:18 |
| Lure | they both provide similar feature set | 10:18 |
| Lure | or at least have main NM page and then GNOME/KDE subpage (even though subsection is enough IMHO) | 10:19 |
| Pygi | Lure: it's ok this way, no need to worry | 10:19 |
| Lure | I just hate duplication - in code or in documentation - it is just bad | 10:20 |
| Pygi | Lure: it's better if we separate things | 10:20 |
| Lure | yes, but then separate them right: NM (common), nm-applet (GNOME) and knetworkmanager (KDE) | 10:21 |
| Lure | that would at least make sense | 10:21 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: i have a fix ;-) | 10:22 |
| Pygi | Lure: bah, does it matter after all :-P | 10:23 |
| mornfall | ubijtsa: fix will go to next adept upload | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | lure your patch doesn't work....... | 10:28 |
| Lure | Tonio_: what is the problem? | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: build fails on knetworkmanager-tray | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | but let me check :) | 10:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: strange... | 10:34 |
| Lure | what us the error reported? | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | I had to rewrite it, since it didn't apply correctly | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: maybe the error is because of the patch rewriting, so just let me 2 minutes :) | 10:35 |
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| mornfall | ubijtsa: reproduced and verified that the fix works | 10:36 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I'm happy with either Add/Remove Programs or Get New Programmes | 10:38 |
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| Riddell | hello PounK | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wana test knetworkmanager ? ^^ | 10:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you have amd64 ? | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | we need test packages for this :) | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | raphink is building ppc | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: simply add the repo and apt-get install knetworkmanager | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | that's all | 10:41 |
| mornfall | Riddell: for dapper, will the menu look like Name (GenericName) or something else? | 10:44 |
| Riddell | mornfall: whichever the KDE default is | 10:45 |
| Tm_T | moin | 10:45 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I'd just change the name to the description and not mention adept except in the comment | 10:45 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: how do I start the daemon? | 10:45 |
| Lure | knetworkmanager | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: restart kde | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | or alt+f2 and knetworkmanager | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | there is an autostart desktop file in the package | 10:46 |
| Lure | mornfall: Dapper default is "Name (GenericName)" and looks it will stay (see last meeting logs) | 10:46 |
| Riddell | Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.4" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hurgh ? | 10:46 |
| mornfall | Lure: i have other things to do than read meeting logs ;p | 10:47 |
| Lure | mornfall: this is why I wrote you the conclusion ;-) | 10:47 |
| mornfall | Lure: thanks for that :) | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: patch is working, thanks | 10:48 |
| Lure | Riddell: do you have /etc/dbus-1/system.d/knetworkmanager.conf | 10:48 |
| Lure | Tonio_: good! | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: uploading new package | 10:48 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes | 10:48 |
| Lure | at | 10:48 |
| Lure | at_console part should be enough for dbus security on Ubuntu | 10:49 |
| Lure | maybe dbus needs to be restarted? | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: possible, yes | 10:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: it may work after reboot... | 10:51 |
| Lure | Tonio_: will new package have ubuntu2? | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | nope | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | that doesn't prevent package from updating don't mind ;) | 10:52 |
| Lure | OK, so I need to reinstall | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: wait 10 minutes for the repo to auto update | 10:52 |
| Lure | ok | 10:52 |
| toma | Tonio_: does pwmanager bother you at startup which file to open as well? | 10:57 |
| Lure | Tonio_: new kNM works (noDialUp) - thanks | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yes | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | worse than kwallet, cause it is impossible not to add a password | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | that's a pain | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no pb :) | 10:58 |
| toma | Tonio_: that is irritating, just open something, i dont care | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yes, I will ask upstream if there is a way to have that "no password allowed" feature for the next version | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | because apparat from that, the emulation of kwallet is about perfection | 10:59 |
| toma | Tonio_: it also doesnt fill in forms for me in konqueror | 10:59 |
| Riddell | hmm, doesn't seem to like my wireless | 11:00 |
| Riddell | neither does nm-applet | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? | 11:00 |
| toma | it stores them, but not fills them when i return | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ndiswrapper ? | 11:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no | 11:00 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, so it is a NM problem, not a knm one | 11:01 |
| Lure | Riddell: which wifi driver? | 11:01 |
| Riddell | Lure: airo_cs | 11:01 |
| Riddell | it seems to spot the driver but it can't see any base stations | 11:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: you may want to kill NetworkManager and start it with --no-daemon | 11:03 |
| Lure | then you get progress logs in terminal | 11:03 |
| Riddell | NetworkManager: <WARNING> nm_dbus_get_network_data_cb (): nm_dbus_get_network_data_cb(): dbus returned an error. | 11:04 |
| Riddell | (org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks) org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks | 11:04 |
| Riddell | not sure if that means anything | 11:05 |
| Pygi | Riddell: is that with patched n-m? | 11:06 |
| Lure | seems you have problems with communication with dbus | 11:06 |
| Lure | Riddell: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-March/msg00170.html | 11:06 |
| Lure | Riddell: at least you are not alone... ;-) | 11:07 |
| Riddell | Lure: no idea, I just installed from Tonio_'s repositor | 11:07 |
| Pygi | Riddell: that is not ready yet ... please wait ^_^ | 11:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: did you restart NetworkManager as root (sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon)? | 11:11 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: using madfwifi ? | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | cause if yes, you may have todist-upgrade to get the new linux-restricted-modules package | 11:19 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it does not get over dbus... so I doubt it gets to driver at all. | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | true........ | 11:20 |
| Pygi | Riddell: please wait a sec, we are having some issues, I'll help you then | 11:20 |
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| Lure | Riddell: can you try sending SIGHUP to dbus-daemon? This should reload config... | 11:22 |
| Riddell | Lure: done | 11:23 |
| Lure | now try to restart NetworkManager | 11:23 |
| Lure | and knetworkmanager | 11:23 |
| Riddell | Lure: no change | 11:25 |
| Lure | :( | 11:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: does iwlist scan works for you? | 11:37 |
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| Riddell | Lure: yes | 11:40 |
| Riddell | and works well | 11:40 |
| Lure | Riddell: this could be it: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-January/msg00204.html | 11:48 |
| === _Sime_ wonders if making the default Kubuntu settings look like Vista is such a good idea. (=> "a vista clone") | ||
| Riddell | _Sime_: the window decorations or other stuff as well? | 11:57 |
| Riddell | the window decorations will be re-done | 11:57 |
| _Sime_ | window decos really. | 11:57 |
| Lathiat | is the usplash going to be redone? | 11:57 |
| _Sime_ | ok | 11:57 |
| toma | is katapult going to be in dapper? | 11:57 |
| Lathiat | toma: it was in breezy, and still starts by default, why wouldnt it be? | 11:58 |
| Riddell | Lathiat: it needs to be shrunk to look less stretched | 11:58 |
| Riddell | toma: yes | 11:58 |
| toma | Lathiat: i'm talking to rinse from translation NL, and he has no clue about those things. | 11:58 |
| Lathiat | also i preferred the non-lined background to kdm | 11:58 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: surprisinly that's the first time I've heard that comment | 11:58 |
| Lathiat | and the lines only go on one display | 11:59 |
| Lathiat | Riddell: personally i think making buttons that are often used smaller targets to hit for no reason seems to be a little silly :) | 11:59 |
| Lathiat | they do look ind of nice tho, apart from the missing black lien on the right hand side of the max/restore button | 11:59 |
| Riddell | Lathiat: yep, tell it to kwwii | 11:59 |
| Lathiat | all of it? :) | 12:00 |
| toma | we should start a wiki page for kde translators | 12:00 |
| toma | with deadlines and stuff | 12:00 |
| Riddell | toma: I think carlos will be importing KDE into rosetta next week, so I'd like to announce that to KDE translators once it's hapened | 12:01 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i think i will want to do an adept upload soonish | 12:01 |
| toma | Riddell: really? | 12:01 |
| mornfall | Riddell: (soonish = few days) | 12:01 |
| Riddell | mornfall: cool | 12:01 |
| === Riddell beds | ||
| toma | Riddell: how is that going to work regarding the current way of working? | 12:02 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i would also like to accompany it with an (k)ubuntu-only upload of libapt-front (0.3.7ubuntu2 ?) | 12:02 |
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