[12:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:20] <Lure> any tester of Tonio's packages on http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[10:40] <seaLne> w00t dcfldd is out of NEW :)
[11:19] <Riddell> seaLne: congrats :)
[11:20] <seaLne> been grinning since i noticed
[11:20] <Riddell> seaLne: but has it compiled?
[11:20] <seaLne> ah
[11:20] <seaLne> yep
[11:20] <jpatrick> seaLne: what ddfldd? Looks built to me
[11:21] <seaLne> jpatrick: thanks
[11:21] <Riddell> yep, everywhere https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/dcfldd/1.3.4-0ubuntu1
[11:21] <jpatrick> which is always a good sign
[11:22] <jpatrick> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/dcfldd <-
[11:47] <_Sime_> Riddell: did you see my message saying that guidance 0.6.3 is out?
[01:19] <tvo> is it known that kubuntu-desktop is not dist-upgradable from breezy atm?
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ? that works ;)
[01:26] <Tonio_> tested knetworkmanager and that works perfectly ;)
[01:27] <jpatrick> Tonio_: *netswitch packages have entered
[01:29] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I've seen this ;)
[01:29] <Tonio_> but my current focus is on knetworkmanager
[01:30] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I spent 14 hours making all the packages, and well, that rocks ;)
[01:34] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for knetwrokmanager package
[01:35] <Lure> Tonio_: but we need to deciede what to do with dialup part: fix or remove
[01:35] <Tonio_> Lure: I did not only this one, but the network-manager package too ;)
[01:35] <Tonio_> the one provided was horrible (I reused the patches nevertheless) ;)
[01:35] <Lure> Tonio_: but the NM is already being worked on
[01:35] <Tonio_> Lure: I know, but I finally did the stuff myself
[01:36] <Tonio_> there were too many things not valid in the package you added on your wikipage
[01:36] <Tonio_> this one should work finally
[01:36] <Tonio_> because it is an update of the current package
[01:36] <Tonio_> the one beeing worked on isn't
[01:36] <Tonio_> and that a big problem for canonical ;)
[01:37] <Tonio_> Lure: can you test on my repo ? plz ?
[01:37] <Tonio_> tested and that's okay for me
[01:37] <Tonio_> just need to add a dependancy on wpasupplicant
[01:37] <Lure> Tonio_: I will now, I am just running your knetwrokmanager with the other NM
[01:37] <Tonio_> Lure: okay ;)
[01:37] <Tonio_> Lure: possible to test everything ?
[01:38] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is that the current package helped me to progress on NM, but will not go, because if it's structure
[01:38] <Lure> Tonio_: will do. I will remove everything (NM, wpa, kNM) and install from your repository
[01:38] <Tonio_> it is not valid
[01:38] <Tonio_> Lure: many thanks ;)
[01:39] <Tonio_> Lure: we have three month to make pressure to have it ;)
[01:39] <Tonio_> that's worth a pain ;)
[01:39] <Lure> Tonio_: I think that probability greatly increased (have you seen note from Keybuk on DD meeting)?
[01:40] <Tonio_> Lure: what probably increased ?
[01:40] <Tonio_> patches and community stuff ?
[01:40] <Lure> of getting NM in Dapper
[01:40] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, and I remember what mark said ;) we have a chance to get it in
[01:54] <Lure_> Tonio_: I am back, but only wired... :-(
[01:54] <Tonio_> Luredoesn't work ?
[01:55] <Lure_> no :-(
[01:55] <Tonio_> grmpf
[01:55] <Tonio_> what's the problem ?
[01:55] <Lure_> This is what I get if I try to connect to my WPA2 AP: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610497
[01:55] <Tonio_> can you scan for networks ?
[01:56] <Lure_> and yes, I had to manually install wpasupplicant
[01:56] <Tonio_> LureI know, that is now corrected
[01:57] <Lure_> Tonio_: no - it seems that my ipw2200 is not functioning anymore
[01:57] <Lure_> I loaded module and now I can scan...
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lureokay ;)
[01:57] <Lure_> ifconfig
[01:58] <Tonio_> I assume this isn't networkmanager's fault
[01:58] <Lure_> strange that this is the first time I have problem with ipw2200....
[01:58] <Tonio_> Lure what is now corrected is the dependancy on wpasupplicant ;)
[01:58] <Lure_> and it worked with other packages...
[01:58] <Tonio_> notnyour problem though :)
[01:58] <Tonio_> Lure_: hum........
[01:58] <Tonio_> weired
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure_: did you reboot to have something clean ?
[01:59] <Lure_> yep. I removed old packages, installed yours, rebooted and started knetworkmanager
[02:00] <Tonio_> grmpf.......
[02:00] <Tonio_> does the card work now ?
[02:00] <Lure_> I will reboot again, check ipw2200 state after reboot, then test with both NM and kNM in --no-daemon mode to get error messages
[02:00] <Tonio_> Lure_: cool
[02:01] <Lure_> Tonio_: card is working and I always got networks reported in kNM, I just could not connect
[02:01] <Tonio_> if that doesn't work, switch back to the other NML package, to be sure it is here the problem, and I will investigate
[02:01] <Lure_> my wife is calling me for lunch, I will be back in 30 minutes
[02:01] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[02:01] <Tonio_> good lunch
[02:06] <OculusAquilae> Tonio_: you want to get KNetworkManager into dapper?
[02:08] <Tonio_> OculusAquilae: I'd live ;)
[02:08] <Tonio_> but we still need to work on it ;)
[02:09] <Tonio_> i'd love (sorry)
[02:09] <OculusAquilae> nice
[02:10] <OculusAquilae> wlassistant works nice here
[02:10] <OculusAquilae> but knetworkmanager would even be better
[02:10] <Tonio_> OculusAquilae: I know ;)
[02:11] <OculusAquilae> I'll try to test it
[02:19] <Lathiat> is anyone else being driven nuts by a missing black line on the right ahnd side of the max/restore button? :)
[02:29] <Lure> Tonio_: after reboot, ipw2200 is fine, just kNM does not work for WPA2
[02:29] <Lure> I am on wired again
[02:29] <Lure> NM logs: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610553
[02:29] <Lure> kNM logs: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610555
[02:30] <Lure> I have even closed wallet, removed kNM stuff but it does not help
[02:30] <Lure> when I try to connect, I do not get dialog to enter password for the first time :-(
[02:30] <Lure> this has worked with kNM that I have compiled and with other NM packages
[02:31] <Lure> I may "downgrade" again, just to see the difference
[02:49] <Lure> Tonio_: have you seen my posts?
[02:49] <Tonio_> Lure: nope
[02:49] <Lure> [14:28]  <Lure> Tonio_: after reboot, ipw2200 is fine, just kNM does not work for WPA2
[02:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I think I know where is locate the problem
[02:49] <Lure> [14:28]  <Lure> Tonio_: after reboot, ipw2200 is fine, just kNM does not work for WPA2
[02:49] <Lure> [14:29]  <Lure> kNM logs: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610555
[02:49] <Lure> [14:30]  <Lure> I have even closed wallet, removed kNM stuff but it does not help
[02:50] <Tonio_> yes I miss configure options in NM package :)
[02:50] <Lure> [14:30]  <Lure> when I try to connect, I do not get dialog to enter password for the first time :-(
[02:50] <Tonio_> that normal
[02:50] <Tonio_> it doesn't find wpasupplicant
[02:50] <Lure> I will now "downgrade" to Johan's NM + your knetworkmanager and see
[02:53] <Lure> Tonio_: same problem - knetworkmanager just hangs on Activation...
[02:53] <Lure> Maybe it is kNM bug
[02:53] <Lure> Which version of kNM did you use? Same as I did (from blog post)?
[02:53] <Tonio_> yes
[02:54] <Lure> I will try nm-applet, just to confimr it is kNM
[02:54] <Tonio_> NetworkManager: <information>   Activation (eth1/wireless): access point 'superprout' is encrypted, and a key exists.  No new key needed.
[02:54] <Tonio_> bind(PF_UNIX): No such file or directory
[02:54] <Tonio_> unlink[ctrl_iface] : No such file or directory
[02:54] <Tonio_> I'm getting this is the logs
[02:54] <Tonio_> the problem is I don't know if that is due to knetworkmanager or networkmanager
[02:54] <Lure> Tonio_: have seen something like this once 
[02:54] <Tonio_> Lure: any idea on the way to test this ?
[02:56] <Lure> Tonio_: I will try nm-applet now, but need to disconnect wired network
[02:56] <Lure> will be right back
[02:56] <Tonio_> k
[03:02] <Lure_> Tonio_: back on wireless, but with nm-applet... ;-(
[03:03] <Lure_> I suspect this kNM issue (maybe related to KDE wallet)
[03:03] <Lure_> currently using Johan's packages, but it may be that your would also work
[03:04] <Lure_>  Tonio_: back on wireless, but with nm-applet... ;-(
[03:04] <Lure_> I suspect this kNM issue (maybe related to KDE wallet)
[03:04] <Lure_> currently using Johan's packages, but it may be that your would also work
[03:06] <Lure_> Tonio_: ?
[03:06] <Tonio_> Lureyes ?
[03:07] <Lure_> [15:02]  <Lure_> Tonio_: back on wireless, but with nm-applet... ;-(
[03:07] <Lure_> [15:03]  <Lure_> I suspect this kNM issue (maybe related to KDE wallet)
[03:07] <Tonio_> Lure same problem here with nm_applet
[03:07] <Tonio_> strange...........
[03:07] <Tonio_> Lure_: ah ? that works for you ?
[03:07] <Lure_> we need to get latest sources from Timo - hist last blog post indicate that
[03:07] <Lure_> there were quite some fixes.
[03:07] <Tonio_> Lureyes
[03:07] <Lure_> Tonio_: works, with Johan's packages
[03:08] <Tonio_> so that works for you with nm-applet........
[03:08] <Lure_> Tonio_: what is different in your packages?
[03:08] <Tonio_> did you compile with the patches ?
[03:08] <Tonio_> well I haven't been able to build it
[03:09] <Tonio_> since it was checking for networkmanagerVPN.h file
[03:09] <Lure_> I have seen in changelog of Johan's that he basically just forward-port Ubuntu patches from 0.5.x
[03:09] <Tonio_> that was not in NM package
[03:09] <Tonio_> yes, but how did you build knetworkmanager ?
[03:09] <Lure_> Tonio_: I just removed all VPN stuff - see my patch 
[03:10] <Tonio_> Lure_: you did the patch ?
[03:10] <Lure_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/KNetworkManager
[03:10] <Tonio_> is it complete ?
[03:10] <Lure_> It works for me
[03:10] <Tonio_> I used it but had other things to remove
[03:10] <Lure_> First version was bad (to early in the morning... ), I left out one .h
[03:10] <Lure_> now is fixed
[03:11] <Lure_> I doubt that we will be able to include NM with VPN
[03:11] <Tonio_> I know
[03:11] <Lure_> VPN brings so many additional dependencies
[03:11] <Tonio_> but I had to complete tour patch in fact
[03:11] <Lure_> This is why 0.5.x has removed it
[03:12] <Lure_> Tonio_: yes, and we still need to improve it (dialup networking stuff)
[03:12] <Lure_> I would just remove it (it calls yast2 now)
[03:12] <Tonio_> Lure_: let's find out that latest package
[03:12] <Tonio_> tarball sorry ;)
[03:13] <Lure_> see comments in blog: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/KNetworkManager
[03:13] <Lure_> sorry: http://blog.nouse.net/?p=75
[03:13] <Lure_> ;-)
[03:14] <Lure_> do you know if suse releases some with sources (as Beta8 was released)
[03:14] <Lure_> s/some/come/
[03:16] <Lure> I will try kNM again - I just could not believe that it does not work anymore
[03:17] <Tonio_> Lure: wanna make a test ?
[03:17] <Lure> ;-)
[03:17] <Lure> you have new kNM?
[03:17] <Tonio_> I will repackage knetworkmanager without any patch
[03:17] <Tonio_> and we'll see ;)
[03:17] <Lure> meaning with VPN in?
[03:18] <Lure> I wanted to test my compile again
[03:18] <Tonio_> Lure: I will build with minimum changes
[03:18] <Tonio_> Lure: you can confirm nm-applet works ?
[03:18] <Lure> OK, I will test mine until I am waiting for your package...
[03:18] <Lure> Yes, it works (this is over WPA2)
[03:18] <Lure> but with Johan's NM
[03:22] <Tonio_> hum
[03:22] <Tonio_> Lure: let's resume
[03:22] <Tonio_> my knetworkmanager works with johan's package
[03:22] <Tonio_> new nm-applet works with my NM package
[03:23] <Tonio_> is that correct ?
[03:23] <Lure> I did not test your nm-applet, only Johan's
[03:23] <Lure> But I was running your kNM (installed over my previous build kNM) with Johan's NM
[03:24] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, so I really assume the problem is in networkmanager
[03:24] <Tonio_> as the nm-applet fails here
[03:24] <Tonio_> there is something missing
[03:24] <Tonio_> either dependancy or something problematic in the rules file :)
[03:24] <Tonio_> let me test, we will find ;)
[03:24] <Lure> probably true, but I do not understand why your kNM worked for me, but it does not anymore
[03:25] <Lure> maybe make install did something 
[03:25] <Lure> that your package does not...
[03:25] <Lure> Tonio_: are you testing with WPA2 or something else?
[03:27] <Lure> Tonio_: I think we should stick with Johan's NM and focus on kNM polish
[03:29] <Tonio_> Lure: WEP
[03:30] <Tonio_> Lure: Johan's NM is crappy ;)
[03:30] <Tonio_> will never go
[03:30] <Lure> what is wrong?
[03:30] <Tonio_> works, but the package is not convenient for canonical
[03:30] <Tonio_> Lure: looked at it ?
[03:30] <Tonio_> Lure: it build with dpkg-buildpackage but not pbuilder
[03:30] <Lure> just changelog - and it looks like they are just forward porting NM 0.5.x patches
[03:31] <Lure> Tonio_: then fix the build ;-) (I would, but do not know anything about pbuilder ;-))
[03:34] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm on it ;)
[03:35] <Tonio_> that's not a big problem, certainly easy to fix once located ;)
[03:36] <Lure> Tonio_: tried my own kNM and it does not work - so your package is at least not worse than my build ;-)
[03:37] <Lure> nm-applet works (even though I need to type in my passwd all the time)
[03:37] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, I'm convinced the problem is in NM package
[03:37] <Tonio_> since I merged stuff from canonical and johan's
[03:38] <Lure> but still: why with Johan's NM, nm-applet works and kNM does not?
[03:38] <Tonio_> Lure: didn't test, :)
[03:38] <Tonio_> works for you ?
[03:38] <Lure> yes
[03:38] <Tonio_> good
[03:38] <Tonio_> so we can consider knetworkmanager package is okay
[03:39] <Lure> and kNM did work before I installed your NM
[03:39] <Tonio_> yes
[03:39] <Tonio_> so my nm is the problem
[03:39] <Lure> Maybe your package has left something on system that broke kNM?
[03:39] <Tonio_> will work toonight !!!!!!!!
[03:39] <Tonio_> exactly
[03:39] <Lure> ;-) 
[03:41] <Tonio_> I need to find the god comprimise
[03:41] <Tonio_> good
[03:42] <Lure> seen this post: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=839810&postcount=30
[03:42] <Lure> who are they?
[03:43] <Tonio_> Lure: no idea
[03:43] <jpatrick> Lure: #ubuntu-devel
[03:43] <Lure> jpatrick: never been there, but will check
[03:44] <Tonio_> jpatrick: canonical employes ?
[03:44] <jpatrick> Tonio_: dunno
[03:44] <jpatrick> saw he talking a few moments ago
[03:44] <Lure> Tonio_: he is online in ubuntu-devel - maybe you should ping him about pbuilder
[03:44] <Lure> and let's join forces to get this trough
[03:45] <Tonio_> Lure: nope, if he is working on the packages, I prefer to let him work ;)
[03:45] <Tonio_> will make tests on my own for the moment, and foccus on knetworkmanager
[03:45] <Lure> Tonio_: but you should mention pbuilder issue - isn;t that a showstoper for inclusion?
[03:46] <Tonio_> Lure: he will see the issue don't mind :)
[03:47] <mornfall> Riddell: ping?
[04:00] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[04:02] <mornfall> Riddell: you wanted to make the default installer icon be gear right?
[04:02] <mornfall> or got something else?
[04:03] <Riddell> the icon for adept_installer?
[04:04] <mornfall> Riddell: no, the icon for packages that don't have icon
[04:11] <mornfall>  /win 4
[04:11] <mornfall> err
[04:16] <mornfall> well, i put "exec" icon there for now
[04:16] <mornfall> that'd be gear in crystal
[04:16] <mornfall> i hope :)
[04:19] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[04:19] <jeroenvrp> someone here?!
[04:19] <jeroenvrp> I've got strange problems on dapper
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[04:21] <jeroenvrp>        missing codepage or other error
[04:21] <jeroenvrp>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[04:21] <jeroenvrp>        dmesg | tail  or so
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> dmesg | tail :
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> [4354302.985000]  attempt to access beyond end of device
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> [4354302.986000]  hdc: rw=0, want=68, limit=4
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> [4354302.986000]  isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso_blknum=16, block=16
[04:22] <jeroenvrp> strange thing is that the DVD player just works when I boot
[04:22] <jeroenvrp> reboot
[04:22] <jeroenvrp> after a while I can't mount my DVD's anymore
[04:22] <jeroenvrp> not manual and not auto
[04:23] <jeroenvrp> my fstab entry looks like this:
[04:23] <jeroenvrp>  /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0  udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[04:28] <Riddell> mornfall: yes, exec is a good icon for that
[04:28] <Riddell> mornfall: I should talk to mvo about getting more icons in app-install-data
[04:29] <mornfall> Riddell: yes, that'd be nice
[04:29] <mornfall> Riddell: i wanted to ask, should i introduce kde-icons-crystal as dependency to adept?
[04:29] <mornfall> maybe i would vote for Recommends
[04:30] <Riddell> hmm, I suppose kde-icons-crystal would bring in icons for a lot of apps
[04:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I packaged and tested knetworkmanager
[04:35] <Tonio_> needs a few patches but works :)
[04:36] <_Sime_> Riddell: hey. Did you notice that 0.6.3 of guidance is out.
[04:36] <Tonio_> I'm currently working with Pygi, who is working on networkmanager packages, and we're going to merge our work to get knetworkmanager work perfectly
[04:37] <Pygi> joy ^_^
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: just that I need to remove the vpn and ppp stuff from it
[04:37] <Tonio_> Pygi: hehe ;)
[04:37] <Tonio_> well need to reboot now
[04:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah saw that, will try it out at some point (along with wlassistant)
[04:37] <Riddell> Pygi: are you in contact with keybuk at all about it?
[04:37] <Riddell> _Sime_: yes I did, I'll package it up tomorro
[04:37] <Riddell> tomorrow
[04:38] <Pygi> Riddel: yup ^_^
[04:38] <_Sime_> Riddell: cool. BTW, I now understand what is happening in systemsetting wrt l10n.
[04:40] <jpatrick> or maybe I could try?
[04:40] <Riddell> _Sime_: what's happening?
[04:40] <_Sime_> Riddell: it is quite simple really.
[04:41] <_Sime_> Riddell: For example. There is no NL or FR translation file for systemsettings. So it uses the default.
[04:42] <_Sime_> Riddell: Actually it removes NL/FR from the list of languages that the app can use for translation (KLocale).
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: if a knetworkmanager package is provided, do you want it to autostart like skim or adept_notifier ?
[04:42] <_Sime_> Riddell: So when the modules are loaded, they also specify thier own translation file. BUT!
[04:43] <_Sime_> Riddell: it won't get used, because NL/FR have been removed from the list of available languages.
[04:43] <mornfall> so now to the wide buttons :'(
[04:44] <mornfall> that's a boring task
[04:44] <_Sime_> Riddell: Simply put. If systemsettings doesn't have a NL or FR etc translation then KLocale will not mix and match languages in the modules.
[04:44] <mornfall> could someone do that for me ? ;-)
[04:44] <jpatrick> _Sime_: where's the guidance tar?
[04:44] <_Sime_> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[04:45] <Pygi> Tonio_:pm pls
[04:45] <jeroenvrp> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=840330
[04:54] <Riddell> _Sime_: that's quite nasty of it
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, it should autostart
[04:55] <_Sime_> Riddell: it is like that to avoid situations like English (L to R) being mixed with Hebrew (R to L).
[04:55] <_Sime_> Riddell: it just means we have to get busy translating systemsettings.
[04:56] <Riddell> I suppose I could perfecter mon francais
[04:56] <Riddell> and you know dutch
[04:56] <Riddell> s/mon/ma/
[04:56] <_Sime_> there are not many strings in sysstemsettings.
[04:56] <_Sime_> and most of them appear in kcontrol too. (I think).
[04:57] <Riddell> and we don't even show the menu bar any more so many aren't used
[04:59] <_Sime_> BTW, I think I'm going to rip the "submit a bug report" code out of s-s.
[04:59] <_Sime_> it is a hang over from kcontrol.
[05:08] <jpatrick> I could do the Spanish
[05:13] <_Sime_> I'm not sure if the normal KDE translations teams pick up on programs in KDE SVN playground.
[05:20] <_Sime_> hey toma
[05:20] <toma> hi _Sime_
[05:20] <_Sime_> for Dapper we really need to get systemsettings translated.
[05:20] <_Sime_> otherwise, (at the very least) all of the modules use EN.
[05:20] <_Sime_> even if they are already translated.
[05:21] <nlindblad> _Sime_: what localization?
[05:21] <_Sime_> nlindblad: localisation and translation of the systemsettings GUI.
[05:21] <nlindblad> _Sime_: everything running as root here is English
[05:21] <nlindblad> Adept for example
[05:21] <toma> _Sime_: if there is a pot, im sure Rinse will translate
[05:22] <_Sime_> :-)
[05:23] <toma> _Sime_: is it in kdesvn or ?
[05:23] <_Sime_> do you know what I have to do on a svn and makefile level for this to happen?
[05:23] <toma> _Sime_: if there is a messages target then it should be extreacted automaticall
[05:24] <toma> y
[05:24] <toma> something like:
[05:24] <toma> messages: rc.cpp
[05:24] <toma>     $(EXTRACTRC) `find . -name \*.ui -o -name \*.rc` > rc.cpp
[05:24] <toma>     $(XGETTEXT) *.cpp -o $(podir)/rsibreak.pot
[05:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/debs/guidance-0.6.3/
[05:25] <_Sime_> toma: it appears to only use unsermake.
[05:26] <_Sime_> toma: nope, no messages target.
[05:27] <toma> _Sime_: if you add it to the Makefile.am, then a script will extract it all and put it in the right i18n folder
[05:27] <_Sime_> toma: I'll have a closer look.
[05:28] <toma> you can look at playground/utils/rsibreak/src/Makefile.am as a reference
[05:29] <_Sime_> ok
[05:29] <toma> _Sime_: that means when you package the systemsettings you should iterate over the available languages and fetch the translations and package them with systemsettings
[05:31] <toma> i can advice using a script like release_rsibreak.rb found in playground/utils/rsibreak to do that automatically
[05:34] <_Sime_> toma: why is there a kcontro.po in /trunk/l10n/nl/messages/playground-base/ ?
[05:34] <_Sime_> toma: looks a bit weird.
[05:34] <_Sime_> toma: also, the Makefile.am already has a messages: rc.cpp line.
[05:41] <toma> _Sime_: you mean kcontrol.po?
[05:42] <_Sime_> toma: there is a kcontrol.po there when I expected to see a systemsettings.po.
[05:42] <toma> kcontrol.po is also in the templates folder so, there has been a target in the past which created that
[05:43] <toma> somwhere in bas
[05:43] <toma> e
[05:44] <_Sime_> systemsettings was based on kcontrol.
[05:44] <toma> ok, maybe something from the past then? forgot to adjust? let me check
[05:45] <toma> the target is incomplete btw, see my example above
[05:46] <toma> _Sime_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/Makefile.am?rev=486339&r1=475778&r2=486339
[05:47] <toma> there is a systemsettings template, look at http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/
[05:47] <toma> rinse just has not translated it
[05:48] <toma> i'll remove the kcontrol.pot 
[05:48] <_Sime_> ok, so it is in order.
[05:50] <toma> _Sime_: only that it extracts messages from .cpp files, not from .rc files..
[05:50] <toma> no idea if that is needed
[05:52] <_Sime_> that's ok, there is no text in the *.rc files.
[05:57] <_Sime_> Riddell: are you aware of any other programs in KDE's SVN that are not translated?
[05:57] <_Sime_> or anybody else here.
[05:59] <fabo> Riddell: ping too ;)
[06:09] <_Sime_> toma: ok, I'll have a closer look at that ruby script of yours after dinner. 
[06:09] <toma> _Sime_: ok
[06:10] <_Sime_> toma: thanks
[06:10] <toma> _Sime_: no problem
[06:10] <_Sime_> fabo: yes, (I can't pm)
[06:12] <fabo> _Sime_|food: about linitian init.d-script-does-not-implement-required-option for guidance
[06:12] <fabo> but rake your time to eat ;)
[06:12] <fabo> take
[06:20] <Lure> Tonio_: have seen that kNM (you changed wiki) will be now in NM repositories - do you have already a package to test
[06:20] <Pygi> Lure: please wait ^_^
[06:20] <Lure> I am also suspecting that my kNM problems may be related to wpasupplicant (I had it ENABLED in config file)
[06:20] <Pygi> Lure: no, you were missing one package ^_^
[06:21] <Lure> Pygi: which one (it works with nm-applet)
[06:21] <Pygi> Lure: l-r-m packages
[06:21] <Lure> Pygi: I do not think so, I have ipw2200 which always worked
[06:21] <Lure> it just stopped today when we were playing with Tonio_ and only with kNM
[06:22] <Lure> I think l-r-m is for madwifi and similar
[06:23] <Pygi> Lure: yup, it is... sorry...well, me and Tonio got it workin'...
[06:23] <Pygi> for the most part...only ppp more needs removing
[06:23] <Pygi> and he got offline :-S
[06:40] <mornfall> errm
[06:48] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[06:48] <Tonio_> Lure: re
[06:48] <Tonio_> Lure: I was thinking about making a DapperKNetworkManager page
[06:49] <Tonio_> same than DapperNetworkManager
[06:49] <Tonio_> are you fine with it ?
[06:49] <NeoChaosX> hi Lure
[06:49] <Lure> why not just add KDE stuff to DapperNetworkManager
[06:49] <Tonio_> Lure: ask Pygi ;)
[06:49] <Lure> kNM is anyway just front-end
[06:50] <Lure> Pygi: can we just add the info to your wiki page (and I can kill my sub-page)
[06:50] <Tonio_> Lure: and anyway the knetworkmanager will be on the same repo
[06:50] <Lure> exactly
[06:50] <Pygi> Lure: You can Kill your page, and Tonio will make DapperKNetworkManager ;)
[06:50] <Pygi> Tonio: about the repos, we need to talk ^_^
[06:51] <Tonio_> Pygi: ah ? ;)
[06:51] <Lure> we should just point clearly that users should do appropriate install (knetworkmanager vs. nm-applet)
[06:51] <Lure> NeoChaosX: hi
[06:51] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[06:51] <Pygi> Tonio: it seems that you will need to host all on your repo, as the current repo is DSL ^_^
[06:51] <Pygi> Tonio: New n-m is in the current repo, waiting for you
[06:51] <Lure> Pygi: do you think we need to have separate page for kNM? I would just add to your DapperNM
[06:52] <Pygi> Lure: talk with Tonio_ about that
[06:52] <Pygi> Tonio_: You'll have to fetch a few more packages
[06:52] <Pygi> like l-r-m package, wpasupplicant 0.4.8, libnl ;)
[06:52] <Tonio_> Pygi: it is managed with deps
[06:53] <Tonio_> I should have anything to change
[06:53] <Tonio_> Pygi: do I ?
[06:53] <Pygi> Tonio: yes, I do understand...but we should have it all in repo
[06:53] <Pygi> Tonio: yes, fetch it into the repo
[06:53] <Pygi> please also fetch all the packages that are in current repo to urs
[06:53] <Tonio_> Pygi: to me knetworkmanager depends on network-manager which depends on other packages no ?
[06:54] <Pygi> Tonio: yup, agreed ^_^
[06:54] <Pygi> Tonio_: but it seems you don't understand me ^_^
[06:54] <Tonio_> hum, I removed everything in my repo ;)
[06:54] <Pygi> yes, I know ^_^
[06:54] <Tonio_> Pygi: why not simply use your's ?
[06:54] <Pygi> and now you need to get it back ^_^
[06:54] <Tonio_> I'm a bit lost I must say :)
[06:54] <Lure> Tonio_: Pygi is asking to replicate Johan's repo in yours
[06:54] <Pygi> Tonio_: because it's dsl, and it's gonna crash if a lot of users come ^_^
[06:54] <Tonio_> Pygi: ah !!!!!!!!!
[06:55] <Tonio_> so let's use my repo as a base ;)
[06:55] <Pygi> Tonio_: do you got it now? ^_^
[06:55] <Pygi> Tonio: yup ^_^
[06:55] <Tonio_> it is a dedicated webserver
[06:55] <Tonio_> okay
[06:55] <Tonio_> no pb
[06:55] <Pygi> you need to fetch all packages from current repo, fetch wpasupplicant 0.4.8, libnl, l-r-m package (will give you link)
[06:55] <Pygi> and put in there ur package as well
[06:56] <Tonio_> yep of course ;)
[06:56] <Pygi> Tonio_: O, finally you understand what I am saying :-P
[06:56] <Tonio_> so apt-get source network-manager libnl wpasupplicant
[06:56] <Tonio_> what else ?
[06:56] <Pygi> you can see wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperNetworkManager
[06:56] <Pygi> it is updated
[06:57] <Lure> Pygi: are you aware that new kernel build was just announced - would this impact your l-r-m packages?
[06:58] <Pygi> Lure: probably not.. we'll see ;)
[06:58] <Lure> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-March/007934.html
[06:58] <Pygi> yes, yes, I know
[06:58] <Lure> I am concerned that this may override your packages and would break NM for some users
[06:58] <Pygi> nop, no worries
[06:58] <Tonio_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~adconrad/networkmanager-lrm/
[06:59] <Tonio_> do I need to grab all of this ?
[06:59] <Pygi> Tonio_: yup ;)
[06:59] <Pygi> and yes, I know it is big :-P
[06:59] <Tonio_> grmpf........ ^^
[06:59] <Pygi> Tonio: ^_^
[07:00] <Tonio_> Pygi: it'll take a few minutes to build :)
[07:00] <Tonio_> okay, I'm rebuilding everything from sources and upload then*
[07:01] <Pygi> Tonio_: k, and can I get access to repository so I could upload "updated packages" if need arises, or will you handle all?
[07:02] <Tonio_> Pygi: i can make you an ftp access account
[07:03] <Tonio_> just wait
[07:03] <NeoChaosX> hey Lure, do you mind if I explain here what's my WPA set up like?
[07:03] <Tonio_> Pygi: you just have to upload, the repo content is updated every 15 minutes
[07:03] <Lure> NeoChaosX: OK (maybe Pygi can help also)
[07:04] <Pygi> Tonio_: k, thanks
[07:04] <NeoChaosX> alright. I've got a D-Link DWL-G630 that has an Atheros chipset. Using the patched l-r-m to get WPA working with madwifi
[07:05] <NeoChaosX> before I tried NM, I had the card configued in /etc/network/interfaces and some networks defined in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, including the WPA network I use at home
[07:06] <Lure> NeoChaosX: similar as me (just with ipw2200)
[07:06] <OculusAquilae> does kNM work now?
[07:06] <NeoChaosX> when I installed the new wpa_supplicant, I choose to save my old settings for the program rather than let the package install it's files over it. Should I have let it overwrite my old settings?
[07:07] <Tonio_> the ppp package isn't working nicely
[07:07] <Lure> NeoChaosX: I think so - with NM wpasupplicant should not run (ENABLED=0) as it is controled by NM
[07:07] <Lure> Tonio_: :-(
[07:07] <Tonio_> I'm going to upload without it for the moment and work on that after ;)
[07:07] <NeoChaosX> I see
[07:07] <Tonio_> Lure: we have time :)
[07:08] <NeoChaosX> now, when I tried with nm-applet, it was connecting, although, it would drop the connection after about a minute or so
[07:09] <NeoChaosX> i didn't get the logs of it's activity for some reason
[07:09] <Lure> NeoChaosX: this sounds like bacground scan issue I spotted while reading IRC logs 
[07:09] <NeoChaosX> background scan?
[07:09] <Tonio_> Lure: once the package is uploaded are you okay to help me with that ptch ?
[07:10] <Tonio_> sounds a bit harder to perform than the vpn one
[07:10] <NeoChaosX> Lure: could you elaborate on that issue?
[07:10] <Lure> NeoChaosX: madwifi driver does not support scanning while connection is active
[07:10] <NeoChaosX> Oh, I see
[07:10] <Lure> NeoChaosX: you may want to search http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[07:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I think we only need to hide the ppp entry in context menu, that's it
[07:11] <Tonio_> nothing more
[07:11] <Lure> just look ubuntu-devel channel logs for last 2-3 days
[07:11] <Tonio_> but I didn't find exactly where to do it
[07:11] <NeoChaosX> okay, I'll look there
[07:11] <Lure> Tonio_: I can look into code and see if I can help with patch
[07:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I must say I didn't check hard
[07:11] <Lure> Tonio_: I will test for sure!
[07:11] <Tonio_> Lure: okay ;)
[07:11] <NeoChaosX> The thing is, with KNM, as I said in the forums, it's not even managing to get to the supplicant
[07:12] <Pygi> NeoChaosX: worry do not, it'll be fixed ;)
[07:12] <NeoChaosX> Alright. I guess I can wait
[07:12] <Lure> NeoChaosX: that is what Tonio_ and myself are currently working on ;-)
[07:12] <Tonio_> NeoChaosX: it is supposed to work now
[07:12] <Lure> we need to strip more code out and latest source would also help (but not released yet by SuSE)
[07:12] <Tonio_> but I need to build everything first :)
[07:13] <Tonio_> Lure: it is release with latest suse version
[07:13] <Tonio_> don't know where to grab the source code
[07:13] <NeoChaosX> Tonio: you got wlassistant working in Ubuntu?
[07:13] <Tonio_> NeoChaosX: yes :)
[07:13] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly - and you have seen Timo comment 
[07:13] <Tonio_> perfectly working
[07:13] <NeoChaosX> I guess I'll try that, too, then
[07:14] <hunger> ls
[07:14] <hunger> sorry.
[07:14] <Pygi> NeoChaosX: we'll have an announcement later on...just wait pls ^_^
[07:14] <Pygi> Tonio_: perhaps we could really call it KPPP if it is installed by default in Kubuntu?
[07:15] <NeoChaosX> Sure thing, Pygi. I'll be paying attention for that, then
[07:15] <Tonio_> Pygi: in a second step yes
[07:15] <Tonio_> why not in fact :)
[07:15] <Tonio_> but not sure of the good interaction
[07:15] <Tonio_> ;)
[07:15] <Tonio_> Pygi: I'm building everthing, uploading everything, and then we'll test ;)
[07:15] <NeoChaosX> thanks for all the help, guys.
[07:16] <Pygi> NeoChaosX: yw
[07:18] <Pygi> Tonio_: k, great...
[07:20] <Tonio_> Pygi: network-manager ftbfs........
[07:20] <Pygi> btw. it seems that our l-r-m packages will break once new kernel is released
[07:20] <Tonio_> grmpf......
[07:20] <Pygi> o joy...what now? ;)
[07:21] <Tonio_> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnl
[07:21] <Tonio_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[07:21] <Tonio_> make[4] : *** [NetworkManager]  Error 1
[07:21] <Tonio_> using pbuilder
[07:21] <Lure> Pygi: we need to wait for this release and the rebuild
[07:21] <Lure> Tonio_: wrong source dependancy to libnl?
[07:21] <Tonio_> yep :)
[07:21] <Tonio_> exactly
[07:21] <Tonio_> I'm changing this
[07:21] <Lure> Tonio_: you have anticipated that ;-)
[07:21] <Pygi> kk, thanks
[07:22] <Tonio_> libnl-dev
[07:22] <Pygi> Lure: we can have the current l-r-m packages, and rebuild later...
[07:22] <Tonio_> the problem is : why isn't libnl-dev depending on libnl1 ?
[07:22] <Tonio_> the problem is there
[07:22] <Tonio_> Pygi: may I correct this ?
[07:22] <Lure> Pygi: problem is that new release will probably override patched one and users will have madwifi w/o NM support
[07:23] <Lure> you will then get wrong reports that it does not work
[07:23] <Pygi> Tonio_: yes, please do...but also upload libnl-dev to repository as well
[07:23] <Pygi> Lure: when is new kernel getting out?
[07:23] <Tonio_> of course
[07:23] <Lure> Pygi: when it succesfully builds on all platforms (from couple of hours to a day - at least from experience)
[07:24] <Pygi> Lure: hm,ok...we'll wait for the announcement then
[07:24] <Lure> Pygi: I think it make sense - I would not like to get negative reports that may influence later smooth inclusion into Dapper ;-)
[07:25] <Lure> BTW, you can watch build waiting list here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds
[07:25] <Pygi> Lure: worry do not ;)
[07:25] <Pygi> Lure: it's gonna take a long time ;)
[07:26] <Lure> Pygi: you can see that sparc already completed build of 2.6.15-19.28
[07:27] <Pygi> Tonio_: Btw., note that if you need to edit the control file in the n-m package, edit debian/control.in and then run DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL=yes fakeroot debian/rules clean and inspect the generated debian/control.
[07:27] <Lure> and it failed on amd64 - it may take long, yes :-(
[07:27] <Pygi> That's cdbs's feature that allows automatic generation of some dependencies.
[07:29] <Tonio_> Pygi: I'm editing control in libnl package :)
[07:29] <Tonio_> to make libnl-dev depending libnm1
[07:29] <Tonio_> libnl1
[07:29] <Pygi> Tonio_: kk, great ;)
[07:30] <Tonio_> Pygi: don't you use pbuilder to build packages ?
[07:30] <Tonio_> I assume no cause you would have seen the problem :)
[07:30] <Pygi> Tonio_: ^_^
[07:30] <Tonio_> Pygi: you should, really ;)
[07:31] <Pygi> Tonio_: please blame Tom Parker ^_^ Thank you ^_^
[07:31] <Lure> Pygi: amd64 failed due to missing fw for ipw2200 - I suppose they can fix this quickly
[07:31] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-installer-buttons.png
[07:31] <mornfall> _Sime_: i think you complained too? :)
[07:31] <mornfall> if someone else did, look and tell what you think
[07:32] <Lure> Tonio_: should I then remove DialUp or will you change it to use kppp?
[07:33] <Tonio_> Lure: we may test this :)
[07:33] <Tonio_> Lure: you can apt-get source knetworkmanager on my repo
[07:33] <Tonio_> although it cannot install (networkmanager still missing)
[07:34] <Tonio_> Lure: can you have a look plz ?
[07:34] <Lure> Tonio_: will do
[07:34] <Tonio_> time for me to build everything :)
[07:34] <Lure> I know...
[07:35] <Pygi> Tonio_: repo is signed with what key?
[07:35] <Tonio_> unsigned
[07:35] <_Sime_> mornfall: better.
[07:35] <Pygi> Tonio_: that is not good ....
[07:35] <Tonio_> Pygi: before submitting the package to canonical, I suggest we remove that tarball.mk stuff :) agree ???
[07:35] <Tonio_> Pygi: wy ? 
[07:35] <Tonio_> it is a public testing repo
[07:35] <_Sime_> mornfall: is it possible to put the buttons under the text area on the right side, and also to put the 
[07:35] <Pygi> Tonio: agreed
[07:35] <Tonio_> why signing it
[07:36] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah ok, no signing
[07:36] <Tonio_> ?
[07:36] <Tonio_> the packages are signed of course
[07:36] <Pygi> Tonio_: I agreed on removing the .mk stuff
[07:36] <Pygi> yes, I know
[07:36] <_Sime_> mornfall: "X to install, Y to remove" text next above the buttons.
[07:36] <Lure> Tonio_: is still may make sense to sign - at least you know that you have built them
[07:36] <_Sime_> mornfall: AND remove the other text from the status bar.
[07:36] <Pygi> Tonio_: we ain't gonna actually submit nothing, until everything is tested and works ^_^
[07:36] <mornfall> _Sime_: under the text area?
[07:36] <Pygi> Lure: nah, no need to sign nothing
[07:37] <mornfall> how do you imagine that?
[07:37] <_Sime_> mornfall: so that that grey space to the left of the buttons dissappears.
[07:37] <Tonio_> Pygi: we will have to lintian the packages too
[07:37] <Tonio_> correcting al errors
[07:37] <mornfall> _Sime_: wtf?
[07:37] <Tonio_> might take a little moment :)
[07:37] <Lure> Tonio_: Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/source/knetworkmanager_0.09+0.1r5842.orig.tar.gz  403 Forbidden
[07:37] <mornfall> _Sime_: so they take width of complete window?
[07:37] <Pygi> Tonio_: yup, I know... everything should be perfect ;)
[07:37] <mornfall> i thought that was what you so disliked?
[07:37] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ? wait ;)
[07:38] <_Sime_> mornfall: no, bring the bottom of the app list down a bit and close up that empty space.
[07:38] <Tonio_> Lure: should be okay :)
[07:38] <mornfall> _Sime_: not possible at all
[07:38] <Lure> Tonio_: true ;-)
[07:38] <mornfall> _Sime_: what happens when i click next?
[07:39] <_Sime_> mornfall: what next?
[07:39] <mornfall> _Sime_: apply changes
[07:39] <mornfall> _Sime_: the layout will reshuffle?
[07:39] <mornfall> anyhow
[07:39] <mornfall> not possible
[07:39] <mornfall> not to mention it would cause lots of layout headaches
[07:40] <Tonio_> Pygi: everything is on the repo except linux-restricted modules
[07:41] <mornfall> i could remove the installed/available/upgradable statistic from statusbar
[07:41] <Pygi> Tonio_: please put them as well if it's not too much trouble...so we can test current packages for now...
[07:41] <mornfall> but i am not sure what would that help
[07:41] <Pygi> Tonio_: and we'll just update the package later
[07:42] <Tonio_> Pygi: currently building :)
[07:42] <Tonio_> not a problem with bandwidth, ust that it is long to build :)
[07:48] <Pygi> Tonio_: we'll just wait with the announcment until we build l-r-m for new kernel, and until we make sure ppp is solved on knetworkmanager
[07:48] <Pygi> Lure, Tonio_: so are you going to link against KPPP, or just erase it off the menu?
[07:48] <Tonio_> Pygi: yes right :)
[07:48] <Tonio_> Pygi: we will test maybe :)
[07:49] <Lure> Pygi: I would remove for now, as nobody will test
[07:49] <Tonio_> Lure: are you looking at the sources ?
[07:49] <Lure> we may add it back later (with next upstream sync) if it works
[07:49] <Lure> Tonio_: yes
[07:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I think we just have to remove the entry in the context menu in fact
[07:49] <Tonio_> no need to remove the full feature from the source code
[07:49] <Lure> Tonio_: I suggest we remove all code, as we did with VPN
[07:50] <Lure> same was done in NM with VPN
[07:50] <Tonio_> Lure: not as easy as the vpn stuff :)
[07:50] <Pygi> Lure: no need...just remove from the menu
[07:50] <Lure> only problem is that two patches may conflict
[07:50] <Tonio_> Lure: I had to remove a few vpn entries and add that to your patch
[07:50] <Tonio_> it was faling in pbuilder
[07:50] <Tonio_> ;)
[07:50] <Tonio_> now it works ;)
[07:50] <Pygi> Lure: just remove it from menu, that's better solution
[07:50] <Tonio_> Lure: no two patches will not conflict
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure: use cdbs to patch
[07:51] <Tonio_> then it'll apply the first patches, and you will work in the patched sources
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure: familiar with this or not ?
[07:51] <Lure> Tonio_: with cdbs - no
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure: you should have a look
[07:52] <Lure> cdbs is part of which package?
[07:52] <Tonio_> Lure: I would suggest just removing the entry cause that'll help wor package updates :)
[07:52] <Tonio_> Lure: apt-get install cdbs
[07:52] <Pygi> Tonio_: agreed...
[07:52] <Pygi> Lure: so Lure, just remove it from menu
[07:52] <Tonio_> I don't really like 40k patches :)
[07:52] <Pygi> no need to remove code
[07:53] <Lure> Tonio_: but then we should re-do the VPN patch also
[07:53] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe yes
[07:53] <Pygi> Lure: nop, not really
[07:53] <Tonio_> ;)
[07:53] <Pygi> Tonio_: no perhaps... dapper will never have support for vpn
[07:53] <Lure> Pygi: kNM VPN patch, not NM one
[07:53] <Tonio_> Pygi: the patch is 40 k
[07:53] <Pygi> Lure: yes, I am aware of that
[07:53] <Tonio_> will be a pain for updates
[07:53] <Tonio_> no need to patch everything
[07:53] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah, ok, then just return it
[07:54] <Pygi> easier to maintain package afterwards
[07:54] <Lure> Tonio_: I recall now - VPN had to go, as there is no NM-VPN.h file!
[07:54] <Tonio_> Lure: the difference with vpn is that thare are built cpp files, header files inclusion etc........
[07:54] <Tonio_> we don't have another choice thatn removing the code or build fails
[07:54] <Tonio_> it is different with ppp, it is just a link in a menu :)
[07:54] <Tonio_> so we don't have deep patch to perform
[07:54] <Lure> OK, I will do then just menu removal for DialUp
[07:55] <Tonio_> exactly........
[07:55] <Lure> VPN stays removed completely for now
[07:55] <Tonio_> we will be fucked with every updates because of that vpn stuff but that's it :)
[07:55] <Lure> I hope there will not be many... ;-)
[07:55] <Pygi> Tonio_: I'll be going now ... will be back in like an  hour ... don't do nothing silly while I am not here ;)
[07:56] <Tonio_> Pygi: linux drivers uploading
[07:56] <Tonio_> Pygi: I never do silly things ;)
[07:56] <Pygi> Tonio_: k, we will change wiki's when I come back
[07:56] <Tonio_> except when out of my computer :)
[08:00] <_Sime_> mornfall: after I installed something, adept_installer disappeared. huh.
[08:00] <mornfall> _Sime_: disappeared? or only offered quit
[08:00] <_Sime_> mornfall: offered "Done: quit"
[08:01] <mornfall> _Sime_: so stop confusing me
[08:01] <mornfall> _Sime_: that's obviously fixed now :)
[08:01] <_Sime_> mornfall: fixed?
[08:01] <mornfall> well, there are now 2 buttons
[08:01] <mornfall> so there's back to program selection and quit
[08:03] <_Sime_> ok
[08:04] <_Sime_> "Forget changes and quit" ==>"Cancel & Quit" ?
[08:06] <mornfall> Riddell: kdesu is causing me lots of headache :'(
[08:06] <mornfall> apparently more bugs reported against adept are kdesu problems than adept problems
[08:09] <Riddell> fabo: hi
[08:09] <Riddell> mornfall: what problems does it cause?
[08:09] <mornfall> Riddell: the adept fail to start bugs all seem to disappear when one uses sudo adept instead of kdesu adept
[08:09] <mornfall> Riddell: then, there is the style issue and translation issue
[08:11] <mornfall> Riddell: and then there are the mysterious freezes that disappear when kdesu is not used (hitting details while running with kdesu freezes adept in some situations)
[08:12] <Pygi> Tonio_: I just thought of somethin'...
[08:12] <Pygi> Tonio_: If we will have to support this package for 3 years...
[08:13] <mornfall> and then there is the skim snafu, having skim active makes adept totally crawl
[08:13] <Pygi> Tonio_: wouldn't it be hard if we would always need to handle the vpn stuff? :-/
[08:13] <Tonio_> Pygi: dunno ;)
[08:13] <mornfall> i don't know what is skim doing to the program, but it's weird
[08:13] <Tonio_> Pygi: there is no other way to do it
[08:13] <Pygi> Tonio_: well, I know ;-P
[08:13] <Pygi> Tonio_: yup, that is understandable
[08:14] <Pygi> Tonio_: can you please edit both wiki pages to appropriate repos?
[08:15] <Pygi> then we'll do the merging once I am fully back
[08:15] <Tonio_> yes
[08:15] <Tonio_> I'll do that
[08:15] <Pygi> Tonio_: k, thanks
[08:16] <_Sime_> mornfall: http://www.simonzone.com/software/adept_installer_gui_sime.png
[08:17] <Pygi> Tonio_: btw. are you sure you changed libnl-dev to be dependant on libnl?
[08:17] <mornfall> _Sime_: i said "no" already
[08:17] <Pygi> they are same number :-/
[08:17] <Pygi> Tonio_: Also, everything you changed in any package...have you added it to the changelog?
[08:17] <mornfall> _Sime_: or, let me rephrase: i will consider it when i see patches
[08:17] <_Sime_> mornfall: awww go on. :)
[08:17] <Pygi> Tonio
[08:18] <Pygi> Tonio_: As the original was versioned -1, the changed version should probably be versioned -1ubuntu0.1
[08:18] <Pygi> Tonio_: So if and when it's moved to an official Ubuntu repository, the version can be changed to -1ubuntu1, which is still greater than -1ubuntu0.whatever
[08:19] <Tonio_> Pygi: nope, version should be 0ubuntu1
[08:20] <Tm_T> moin
[08:20] <Lure> Pygi: no debian package exist yet
[08:20] <Lure> AFAIK
[08:20] <Pygi> Tonio_: I am not really sure in that... also, have you changed the changelog? and why is it the same version if you changed dependecies? 
[08:20] <Pygi> The changelog can be modified easily with the dch utility
[08:20] <Pygi> % dch -n -D dapper
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[08:21] <Riddell> mornfall: any idea if these problems are caused by the sudo use of kdesu rather than kdesu as su?
[08:21] <Pygi> Tonio_: perhaps, but we are going for original naming...
[08:21] <Pygi> Tonio_: -n means non-maintainer update (so the last bit of the version number is increased, e.g. -1ubuntu0.5  -1ubuntu0.6). As the package is not official, you can remove the "* Non-maintainer update" line it adds from the changelog.
[08:21] <Tonio_> Pygi: this is the ubuntu naming convention
[08:21] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah, ok ... have you at least changed the changelog?
[08:21] <Tonio_> Pygi: nmu isn't important in ubuntu/main
[08:21] <_Sime_> mornfall: is adept in kde playground??
[08:22] <Tonio_> Pygi: didn't you ?
[08:22] <Tonio_> uupdate can perform the changelog update automatically
[08:22] <Pygi> Tonio_: I did ...but to libnl-dev I thought... that you changed the deps?
[08:22] <Tonio_> Pygi: no need to comment any modification in debian/ folder
[08:23] <Tonio_> as it is the original upload
[08:23] <Pygi> Tonio_: hm, kk
[08:23] <Tonio_> when it is an update of an existing package, that is to comment, yes
[08:23] <Tonio_> Pygi: can you imagin the original changelog if you comment EVERYTHING in the debian folder ;)
[08:23] <Pygi> Tonio_: and hopefully "non-maintainer update" doesn't exist?
[08:23] <Tonio_> 40 pages at least
[08:23] <Pygi> Tonio_: hehe ;)
[08:24] <Tonio_> Pygi: this isn't important in hte ubuntu world
[08:24] <Tonio_> it is in debian's
[08:24] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah, ok
[08:24] <Tonio_> okay, let me polish the packages
[08:24] <Tonio_> gimme an hour
[08:24] <Pygi> Tonio_: hehe, ok, I am away for an hour anyway
[08:24] <_Sime_> mornfall: don't worry, found it.
[08:25] <Pygi> Tonio_: currently only _ion is listed as maintainer of n-m packages, add me in there as well ^_^
[08:25] <Pygi> Tonio_: in the package I mean  ^_^
[08:25] <Pygi> see ya later
[08:25] <Tonio_> Pygi: ;)
[08:25] <Pygi> Tonio_: what I did this time? ^_^
[08:28] <Pygi> Tonio_: ok, you haven't answered me what I did this time? ^_^ btw. I hope you have added urself as maintainter of knm package?
[08:29] <mornfall> Riddell: i can try reproducing on debian kdesu
[08:29] <mornfall> Riddell: i think fail to start happens here too from time to time (with kdesu)
[08:30] <mornfall> _Sime_: well, if you are serious about hacking it
[08:30] <mornfall> _Sime_: i should probably update the kde svn copy of it :)
[08:30] <Tonio_> Pygi: problem with linux-restricted package
[08:30] <_Sime_> mornfall: how hard could it be.
[08:30] <Tonio_> impossible to debuild -S it........
[08:30] <Pygi> Tonio_: uh, huh
[08:30] <Tonio_> Pygi: what is this d-i folder ?
[08:31] <Lure> Tonio_: debian-installer?
[08:31] <_Sime_> mornfall: I just want to try shuffling a couple of widgets around.
[08:31] <Tonio_> Lure: don't know except that it fails
[08:31] <mornfall> _Sime_: depending on how experienced you are, probably few hours of work
[08:32] <mornfall> _Sime_: (maybe more... i guess it'd take me at least an hour)
[08:32] <mornfall> _Sime_: (and a fairly heavy violation of my freeze rules)
[08:32] <Pygi> Tonio_: hm ...
[08:33] <Tonio_> Pygi: let me check
[08:33] <Pygi> Tonio_: it is debian-installer but ...
[08:35] <Tonio_> Pygi: it is a problem in the package structure
[08:35] <Tonio_> that is due to the fact you don't use pbuilder and debuild
[08:35] <Tonio_> but dpkg-buildpackage
[08:35] <Tonio_> right ?
[08:37] <Pygi> the l-r-m packages were made by infinity
[08:38] <Tonio_> Pygi: ho yes right :)
[08:38] <Pygi> Tonio_: what now? :-P
[08:39] <Lure> Tonio_: these packages are original ubuntu + one patch - can we just redo-them?
[08:40] <Tonio_> Lure: not that easy
[08:40] <Tonio_> well let me go for an hour to polish those packages :)
[08:40] <Tonio_> I can't do that if I'm pingued every 5 seconds here :)
[08:40] <Lure> What if we just download infinity packages (binary) and put them in your repository?
[08:40] <Lure> ;-)
[08:41] <Pygi> Tonio_: nobody pinged you ... I see no ping ... and I was still unable to go for an hour :-/
[08:41] <Pygi> Lure: we did that... and they are no good ;)
[08:42] <Tonio_> Pygi: ust that this konversation is blinking everytime :)
[08:42] <Tonio_> s/ust/just
[08:42] <Pygi> kk, go work ^_^
[08:45] <mornfall> _Sime_: so how? i have pulled now so i can push changes to svn.kde.org if you like :)
[08:46] <mornfall> Riddell: is "Get New Applications" the Name you want for installer?
[08:46] <mornfall> Riddell: my branch says Add/Remove Programs as GenericName and Adept Installer as Name
[08:54] <_Sime_> mornfall: I'll try to have a look at it this week.
[08:55] <_Sime_> mornfall: I've also got to fix up the systemsettings tarballs (e.g. collecting all the translated *.po files)
[08:56] <mornfall> _Sime_: okey, let me know upfront in that case
[08:56] <mornfall> _Sime_: that you want to work on it
[08:57] <_Sime_> mornfall: I'll play with it first before sinking too much time into it.
[08:57] <mornfall> sure :)
[08:57] <mornfall> _Sime_: the idea is that i won't needlessly sync up now if not needed
[09:04] <mornfall> Riddell: 2 items left on 1.91 todo -- clear up .desktop files and bug you about app-install-data :-)
[09:04] <mornfall> Riddell: (or bug mvo)
[09:06] <Tonio_> Pygi: should be clean now :)
[09:11] <mornfall> ubijtsa: yes, but nothing major :)
[09:12] <Lure> Tonio_: I have a patch, but this packaging still bothers me (cdbs)
[09:13] <Lure> I tested it only as manual build, not as package...
[09:13] <ubijtsa> mornfall: still, I'll try and verify that defect again, once the update been posted
[09:14] <mornfall> ubijtsa: which defect? *puzzled*
[09:14] <ubijtsa> Malone#31736
[09:14] <Lure> Tonio_: are you back?
[09:14] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[09:14] <Tonio_> need to reboot :)
[09:14] <ubijtsa> mornfall: don't worry, frequently I don't know what I am talking about either ;)
[09:15] <mornfall> ubotu: bug 31736
[09:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31736 in ept adept "adept updater hangs when viewing Details of package" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31736
[09:15] <mornfall> ubijtsa: probably kdesu issue :/
[09:15] <Lure> I have a patch, but am strugling with getting it proper for package (cdbs newbie)
[09:15] <Lure> can I send it to you and you try getting it in
[09:15] <Lure> I tested it on manual build and it works
[09:15] <ubijtsa> mornfall: the strange part - it *only* seems to happen if adept_updater is launched from the notification area icon
[09:16] <mornfall> ubijtsa: hmm, let me try
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: back in 10 minutes to test this :)
[09:16] <ubijtsa> mornfall: in the comments on the defect, there is a link to my personal wiki where there are pictures showing the problem
[09:17] <mornfall> ubijtsa: right, does not lock up here
[09:18] <mornfall> ubijtsa: it happens for any package right?
[09:18] <ubijtsa> mornfall: yep
[09:18] <mornfall> now
[09:18] <mornfall> broadcast: can anyone please try reproducing 31736 on up to date dapper?
[09:19] <mornfall> it goes like: click notifier, let updater fetch updates, click details on some package
[09:19] <mornfall> ubijtsa: it does not happen on debian (kdesu using su not sudo)
[09:19] <mornfall> let me try with my copy of dapper
[09:20] <ubijtsa> I have a dapper install on a thinkpad, will give it a shot there
[09:22] <ubijtsa> breaks on my thinkpad as well
[09:23] <mornfall> ubijtsa: interesting
[09:23] <ubijtsa> last update I did on that was yesterday
[09:23] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:23] <Tonio_> works perfectly :)
[09:23] <Tonio_> GREAT
[09:23] <Tonio_> Lure: simply remove everything and just install knetworkmanager within my repo
[09:23] <Tonio_> everything is nice
[09:23] <ubijtsa> if I run adept_updater from the commandline, no problem
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: wana test ?
[09:23] <Lure> Tonio_: will do this now
[09:24] <mornfall> ubijtsa: running from dapper now
[09:24] <Lure> I have sent noDialUp patch over e-mail if you need it still.
[09:24] <mornfall> ubijtsa: doesn't crash -- upgrading to latest dapper now
[09:24] <Tonio_> Pygi: repo works, knetworkmanager works
[09:24] <Tonio_> Pygi: the network-manager package is now without the tarball.mk
[09:25] <ubijtsa> mornfall: so when you 'open' a package in the list, and click the 'Details' button - it doesn't lock up?
[09:25] <Tonio_> Lure: I just have a problem with signal strengh
[09:25] <mornfall> ubijtsa: that's right
[09:25] <ubijtsa> interesting...
[09:25] <mornfall> ubijtsa: i'm fairly out of date
[09:25] <Tonio_> Lure: everything is on maximum... do you have the same issue ?
[09:25] <Lure> Tonio_: I think this is bug in kNM
[09:25] <ubijtsa> I wonder why it does for me, on two completely separate boxen
[09:25] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, we should investigate this later
[09:25] <Lure> Tonio_: no, it is just lower than it should be
[09:25] <Tonio_> shouldn't be hard to patch
[09:26] <mornfall> ubijtsa: but apparently kdebase (and thus kdesu) is newest
[09:26] <Tonio_> Lure: hu ? lower ? oposite here :) everything is on max strengh
[09:26] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I think I raised the defect around Flight3/4 sometime
[09:26] <mornfall>   Installed: 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu12
[09:27] <mornfall> ubijtsa: on the other hand, i am running notifier out-of-session (over ssh -Y to my other machine, chrooted to dapper, inside session of kde from etch)
[09:27] <ubijtsa> mornfall: one sec..
[09:28] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I have 0ubuntu14
[09:28] <mornfall> ubijtsa: oh? :)
[09:28] <ubijtsa> yup
[09:29] <mornfall> ubijtsa: *puzzle* -- candidate says 12 here :)
[09:29] <ubijtsa> :)
[09:29] <Pygi> Tonio_: that's problem with ndiswrapper
[09:29] <mornfall> let's wait for a bit
[09:29] <mornfall> while updater downloads the rest of stuff
[09:29] <mornfall> 116M, 88% done
[09:29] <Tonio_> Pygi: ah oki ;)
[09:29] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I can post my sources.list if that'd help
[09:29] <Pygi> Lure_: if ur using madwifi, it doesn't show percentages, so its always lower
[09:29] <Pygi> Tonio_: we can't influence that
[09:30] <Tonio_> Pygi: wlassistant works here
[09:30] <mornfall> ubijtsa: i will hope very hard that it doesn't matter :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> I don't have this issue with it
[09:30] <Lure_> Pygi: I have ipw2200
[09:30] <Pygi> Tonio_: hm ...
[09:30] <ubijtsa> mornfall: You'd not be the first to scratch your head over this defect
[09:30] <Pygi> Tonio_: let's just blame it on knm for now, and don't worry about it
[09:30] <Pygi> Tonio_: we can fix it later
[09:30] <Pygi> now about merging those two wiki's
[09:30] <Tonio_> Pygi: agree
[09:30] <mornfall> ubijtsa: who else? :)
[09:31] <mornfall> unpacking
[09:31] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I don't understand why it'd make a difference running it from the commandline in kdesu compared to from the notification icon
[09:31] <mornfall> ubijtsa: stdout/stderr for one
[09:31] <Lure_> Pygi: wiki - we should just have two install modes: GNOME (nm-applet) and KDE (knetworkmanager)
[09:32] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I spoke to someone else in ubuntu-bugs that looked at it, and they could not understand the problem either
[09:32] <Pygi> Tonio_: let's work out the wiki's merging thingy
[09:32] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/images/knetworkmanager.jpg
[09:32] <Lure_> Just need to change apt-get install line
[09:32] <ubijtsa> mornfall: you have a point there
[09:32] <Pygi> Lure_: agreed, but that doesn't make sense .... we would need to do double contributors, maintainers, etc
[09:32] <Tonio_> Pygi: going to make a coffee, back and do this ;)
[09:32] <Tonio_> oki ?
[09:32] <Pygi> Tonio_: kk ;)
[09:32] <Pygi> enjoy
[09:33] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:33] <Tonio_> I have a top class coffee machine ;)
[09:33] <ubijtsa> mornfall: anyway, I'll update that defect everytime there is a new version of adept until it's fixed :)
[09:33] <ubijtsa> I'll also try and find new defects ;)
[09:35] <mornfall> ubijtsa: are you *sure* you have 14 of kdebase?
[09:35] <ubijtsa> mornfall: aye
[09:36] <mornfall> ubijtsa: is it from dapper?
[09:36] <ubijtsa> mornfall: and of -bin, -data, -dev and -kio-plugins
[09:36] <Tonio_> Pygi: we'll get it in :)
[09:36] <ubijtsa> mornfall: let me double check
[09:36] <Pygi> Tonio_: hehe ;)
[09:36] <Tonio_> Pygi: okay for the wiki :)
[09:36] <mornfall> ubijtsa: switching mirrors
[09:37] <Tonio_> Pygi: I was thinking about creating a wikipage for knetworkmanager
[09:37] <Pygi> Tonio_: perhaps we could announce all today once we redo the wiki, and just tell people to do updates once we rebuild l-r-m packages
[09:37] <mornfall> ubijtsa: okey, busted mirror :|
[09:37] <Tonio_> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/DapperKNetworkmanager
[09:37] <Pygi> Tonio: yup, that would be a great idea 
[09:37] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I only have dapper, dapper-updates, dapper-backports and dapper-security switched on
[09:37] <Pygi> Tonio_: make it look somewhat like the current one of NetworkManager
[09:37] <Tonio_> Pygi: I didn't change anything to l-r-m package
[09:37] <Tonio_> it has been done by an ubuntu guy :)
[09:37] <mornfall> ubijtsa: it's on 14 here now too
[09:37] <ubijtsa> and one repo for amarok and one for kopete
[09:37] <Tonio_> so let's keep it is like it is
[09:37] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah, kk
[09:37] <ubijtsa> mornfall: *phew* :)
[09:38] <mornfall> another 87M :|
[09:38] <Pygi> Tonio_: but we'll have to rebuild it once new kernel is here ... will you be able to do it?
[09:38] <Tonio_> I renamed all other packages version, polished them etc.........
[09:38] <Tonio_> Pygi: I assume it'll be done no ?
[09:38] <Tonio_> by the same guy
[09:38] <mornfall> and i use debian considerably longer than ubuntu :p
[09:38] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah, ok
[09:38] <mornfall> official mirror that is
[09:38] <Tonio_> this package is supposed to get in by itself
[09:39] <Pygi> Tonio_: lol, ok ^_^
[09:39] <Tonio_> Pygi: it is maintained by canonical, so np
[09:39] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I used to use debian, but migrated when Hoary was heading for change-freeze
[09:39] <Pygi> Tonio_: ok, let's build a DapperKNetworkManager
[09:39] <Pygi> I'll write a skeleton now
[09:40] <Tonio_> Pygi: I'm on it :)
[09:40] <Tonio_> no don't mind, I'm on it, and I'm copying the dappernetworkmanager page :)
[09:40] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I now run exclusively kubuntu, and have managed to get half a dozen colleagues to switch as well
[09:40] <Tonio_> Pygi: or do you have another plan ?
[09:40] <Pygi> Tonio_: I am writing a skeleton for you...
[09:41] <ubijtsa> mornfall: the key seemed to be when I installed breezy on a Dell GX280 and it installed faster than WinXP did, and more stuff worked with ubuntu than with WinXP out of the box
[09:41] <Tonio_> Pygi: okay, ;)
[09:41] <Tonio_> I'm waiting
[09:41] <Tonio_> Pygi: drinking my coffee with a cigarette ;)
[09:41] <mornfall> ubijtsa: GX280?
[09:42] <mornfall> ubijtsa: desktop machine?
[09:42] <ubijtsa> mornfall: a Dell Optiplex GX280, small desktop
[09:42] <mornfall> ubijtsa: okey :) -- i haven't installed windows for ages
[09:43] <ubijtsa> mornfall: neither have I, but I watched a stubborn colleague try, while smiling serenely of course
[09:43] <mornfall> ubijtsa: my dell latitude d410 worked mostly out of the box after pxe-installing etch on it :)
[09:43] <ubijtsa> :)
[09:44] <Tonio_> Pygi: can we also talk about wlassiatant on that page ?
[09:44] <Pygi> Tonio_: we'll see ;) wait ...
[09:44] <mornfall> ubijtsa: only slight problem was picking the right ipw2200 firmware :)
[09:44] <mornfall> unpacking again
[09:44] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I can imagine
[09:44] <Tonio_> Pygi: /me shuting down and waiting :)
[09:45] <mornfall> hmm, every time i use updater i am surprized how smoothly it goes :)
[09:46] <ubijtsa> console tool that is sleek, fast and very good
[09:46] <ubijtsa> much like centericq and muttng
[09:48] <Pygi> Tonio_: pelase fill out this section
[09:48] <Pygi> Dapper KNetworkManager
[09:48] <Pygi> Thanks
[09:48] <Tonio_> Pygi: which page ?
[09:49] <Tonio_> dappernetworkmanager or dapperknetworkmanager ?
[09:49] <Pygi> knetworkmanager
[09:50] <mornfall> ubijtsa: now i need to downgrade something :)
[09:50] <ubijtsa> mornfall: really?
[09:50] <mornfall> ubijtsa: well, how else i test updater locking up :)
[09:51] <ubijtsa> I have adept latest iirc
[09:51] <mornfall> ubijtsa: interesting -- it still works :)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Pygi: what else needs to be changed ?
[09:51] <ubijtsa> let me get the version
[09:51] <mornfall> ubijtsa: no, downgrade a package so that notifier shows something to update
[09:51] <Pygi> Tonio_: just that for now
[09:51] <Pygi> Tonio_: I need to edit one thing tho, so tell me when ur done
[09:51] <mornfall> ubijtsa: i installed info/breezy :)
[09:51] <ubijtsa> mornfall: 1.90ubuntu1
[09:52] <ubijtsa> mornfall: ah.. hehe
[09:52] <Tonio_> ok
[09:52] <mornfall> ubijtsa: anyhow, it still does not freeze
[09:52] <ubijtsa> mornfall: strange...
[09:52] <mornfall> if someone on dapper can reproduce, it'd be interesting to have something for comparison
[09:53] <mornfall> ubijtsa: any chance you are running skim?
[09:53] <ubijtsa> mornfall: skim got forcibly thrust on me, but I believe it happened before skim was introduced
[09:53] <Pygi> Tonio_: perhaps Luke's page can now be deleted?
[09:53] <Pygi> is he here anyway?
[09:54] <ubijtsa> I tend to kill skim and make sure it doesn't start again
[09:54] <mornfall> ubijtsa: skim causes adept freezes in some setups apparently
[09:54] <ubijtsa> mornfall: really? how interesting...
[09:54] <Pygi> Tonio_: o gee, who killed our annoucement?
[09:54] <Tonio_> Pygi: done ;)
[09:54] <Tonio_> Pygi: it has been killed ?
[09:55] <Pygi> Tonio_: ah, found it
[09:55] <ubijtsa> could anyone explain why skim gets forced upon users, especially those that have no need of it what-so-ever...
[09:55] <Tonio_> Pygi: I added text to the page
[09:55] <Pygi> Tonio_: k, great... I'll look it in a sec
[09:55] <ubijtsa> mornfall: let me destroy skim, and try again
[09:55] <hunger> ubijtsa: IIRC it is because nobody thought of a better way to do it yet.
[09:55] <mornfall> skim crashes on its own here but i didn't get it to freeze adept yet
[09:56] <Pygi> Tonio_: it's no good... look what you did...
[09:57] <ubijtsa> hunger: just curious why there wasn't a meta-package that would pull it in rather than the *-desktop package itself
[09:58] <Pygi> Tonio_: alive? ;)
[09:58] <mornfall> let's try installing scim-chinese what happens
[10:01] <Tonio_> Pygi: yes what's the problem ?
[10:01] <ubijtsa> interesting.. telling skim not to restart or be part of the session is ignored. That be a defect then
[10:01] <Pygi> Tonio: no enters used, url isn't provided, nothin'
[10:01] <Pygi> check it out
[10:01] <ubijtsa> and when quitting it through the notification area, it stays running, that is another defect
[10:01] <Tonio_> Pygi: hu ???
[10:02] <ubijtsa> killing it causes a SEGV, so that is a third defect
[10:02] <ubijtsa> looks like skim is good huntingground for defects
[10:02] <mornfall> ubijtsa: here, even clicking ok in configuration causes it to segfault
[10:02] <mornfall> *shrug*
[10:03] <Pygi> Tonio_: do you understand errors?
[10:03] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I get the impression that skim wasn't quite ready for inclusion
[10:04] <mornfall> ubijtsa: well, it's generally not my problem (apart from the cases where it causes adept hang on startup, but well oh well, i can just tell users to get something less broken)
[10:05] <ubijtsa> mornfall: anyway, no skim in the way, I still see the hang and a strace -p of adept_updater gives me "futex(0x8504c1c, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL"
[10:06] <mornfall> ubijtsa: oh... i forgot about the futex thing
[10:06] <mornfall> ubijtsa: what's your arch btw?
[10:06] <ubijtsa> i386
[10:06] <mornfall> cpu? amd/intel
[10:06] <Lure> Tonio_: it works and now I know why it did not before
[10:07] <Lure> it seems kNM stores recent connection with some hints in .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[10:07] <ubijtsa> intel P-M on the X31 here, and a P4HT at work
[10:07] <Lure> this was preventing it to connect to my network
[10:07] <mornfall> ubijtsa: mostly same hardware as me :|
[10:07] <mornfall> ubijtsa: ultra-weird
[10:07] <ubijtsa> I run a -686 kernel here, and a -686-smp at work
[10:07] <Lure> this is why nm-applet worked and kNM did not... :-(
[10:07] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ok :)
[10:07] <mornfall> ubijtsa: hmm, what are you stracing btw?
[10:08] <mornfall> ubijtsa: ah, attaching strace
[10:08] <hunger> There is a kNM applet now?
[10:08] <ubijtsa> mornfall: the adept_updater process
[10:08] <ubijtsa> mornfall: running it in gdb yields nothing, probably because of the stderr/stdout you mentioned earlier
[10:09] <mornfall> ubijtsa: no, gdb is broken
[10:09] <mornfall> ubijtsa: adept seems to expose some gdb bug
[10:09] <Lure> Tonio_: got my patch for dialup?
[10:09] <ubijtsa> In the defect, there is a gdb backtrace of a hang though, where I attached gdb to the hung process
[10:09] <Tonio_> Lure: applyed, currently building :)
[10:09] <Lure> great
[10:10] <Tonio_> then I'll test and eventually upload
[10:10] <mornfall> ubijtsa: it'd be nice if you could somehow get stdout+stderr of adept_updater running from notifier
[10:10] <ubijtsa> mornfall: dunno if that helped at all, but if you want, I can do that again with next version
[10:10] <mornfall> ubijtsa: (one way i can think of to do that is running startkde from terminal)
[10:10] <Lure> I really have to learn this packaging stuff ;-)
[10:10] <hunger> Where does this annoying google search thingy come from in konqui all of a sudden?
[10:11] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I can test that in the morning, right now I have to see to my little boy :)
[10:11] <ubijtsa> hunger: the double google search input?
[10:11] <hunger> How do I get rid of it again?
[10:11] <hunger> ubijtsa: There is only one here...
[10:11] <mornfall> ubijtsa: gotcha
[10:12] <mornfall> ubijtsa: looking at the backtrace again -- KMimeType::errorMissingMimeType () from
[10:12] <hunger> ubijtsa: but I can not remove it, it is not listed in the configure toolbar dialog.
[10:12] <mornfall> ubijtsa: #16 0x37861ff5 in KMessageBox::sorry () from
[10:12] <mornfall> ubijtsa: i now get it! harrr harrr
[10:12] <ubijtsa> mornfall: the hang?
[10:12] <tvo> hunger: 'configure extensions'
[10:12] <mornfall> ubijtsa: yes -- the problem is that it wants to pop up a dialog from wrong thread
[10:13] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I'll look forward to the fix ;)
[10:13] <mornfall> ubijtsa: i would never think that it would try to pop up a dialog :|
[10:13] <mornfall> ubijtsa: your system is
[10:13] <hunger> tvo: Wow, that is easy to discover:-)
[10:13] <mornfall> ubijtsa: s/is/must be broken somehow -- it cannot find mimetypes/
[10:14] <ubijtsa> mornfall: right.. I'll try and work out how to fix that.. in the morning
[10:14] <mornfall> ubijtsa: okey
[10:16] <Lure> Pygi: does it really make sense to have two pages with most of content duplicated?
[10:16] <Pygi> Lure: yes, it does ^_^
[10:17] <Lure> Pygi: why - knetworkmanager is just another front-end, like nm-applet
[10:17] <Pygi> Lure: so?  ^_^
[10:18] <Lure> you could simply write on page if you gave Ubuntu install nm-applet, if Kubuntu install knetworkmanager
[10:18] <Lure> they both provide similar feature set
[10:19] <Lure> or at least have main NM page and then GNOME/KDE subpage (even though subsection is enough IMHO)
[10:19] <Pygi> Lure: it's ok this way, no need to worry
[10:20] <Lure> I just hate duplication - in code or in documentation - it is just bad
[10:20] <Pygi> Lure: it's better if we separate things
[10:21] <Lure> yes, but then separate them right: NM (common), nm-applet (GNOME) and knetworkmanager (KDE)
[10:21] <Lure> that would at least make sense
[10:22] <mornfall> ubijtsa: i have a fix ;-)
[10:23] <Pygi> Lure: bah, does it matter after all :-P
[10:24] <mornfall> ubijtsa: fix will go to next adept upload
[10:28] <Tonio_> lure your patch doesn't work.......
[10:33] <Lure> Tonio_: what is the problem?
[10:34] <Tonio_> Lure: build fails on knetworkmanager-tray
[10:34] <Tonio_> but let me check :)
[10:34] <Lure> Tonio_: strange...
[10:35] <Lure> what us the error reported?
[10:35] <Tonio_> I had to rewrite it, since it didn't apply correctly
[10:35] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe the error is because of the patch rewriting, so just let me 2 minutes :)
[10:36] <mornfall> ubijtsa: reproduced and verified that the fix works
[10:38] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm happy with either Add/Remove Programs or Get New Programmes
[10:39] <Riddell> hello PounK 
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: wana test knetworkmanager ? ^^
[10:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have amd64 ?
[10:40] <Tonio_> we need test packages for this :)
[10:41] <Tonio_> raphink is building ppc
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: simply add the repo and apt-get install knetworkmanager
[10:41] <Tonio_> that's all
[10:44] <mornfall> Riddell: for dapper, will the menu look like Name (GenericName) or something else?
[10:45] <Riddell> mornfall: whichever the KDE default is
[10:45] <Tm_T> moin
[10:45] <Riddell> mornfall: I'd just change the name to the description and not mention adept except in the comment
[10:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: how do I start the daemon?
[10:45] <Lure> knetworkmanager
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: restart kde
[10:46] <Tonio_> or alt+f2 and knetworkmanager
[10:46] <Tonio_> there is an autostart desktop file in the package
[10:46] <Lure> mornfall: Dapper default is "Name (GenericName)" and looks it will stay (see last meeting logs)
[10:46] <Riddell> Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.4" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: hurgh ?
[10:47] <mornfall> Lure: i have other things to do than read meeting logs ;p
[10:47] <Lure> mornfall: this is why I wrote you the conclusion ;-)
[10:47] <mornfall> Lure: thanks for that :)
[10:48] <Tonio_> Lure: patch is working, thanks
[10:48] <Lure> Riddell: do you have /etc/dbus-1/system.d/knetworkmanager.conf
[10:48] <Lure> Tonio_: good!
[10:48] <Tonio_> Lure: uploading new package
[10:48] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[10:48] <Lure> at
[10:49] <Lure> at_console part should be enough for dbus security on Ubuntu
[10:49] <Lure> maybe dbus needs to be restarted?
[10:50] <Tonio_> Lure: possible, yes
[10:51] <Lure> Riddell: it may work after reboot...
[10:51] <Lure> Tonio_: will new package have ubuntu2?
[10:52] <Tonio_> nope
[10:52] <Tonio_> that doesn't prevent package from updating don't mind ;)
[10:52] <Lure> OK, so I need to reinstall
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: wait 10 minutes for the repo to auto update
[10:52] <Lure> ok
[10:57] <toma> Tonio_: does pwmanager bother you at startup which file to open as well?
[10:57] <Lure> Tonio_: new kNM works (noDialUp) - thanks
[10:58] <Tonio_> toma: yes
[10:58] <Tonio_> worse than kwallet, cause it is impossible not to add a password
[10:58] <Tonio_> that's a pain
[10:58] <Tonio_> Lure: no pb :)
[10:59] <toma> Tonio_: that is irritating, just open something, i dont care
[10:59] <Tonio_> toma: yes, I will ask upstream if there is a way to have that "no password allowed" feature for the next version
[10:59] <Tonio_> because apparat from that, the emulation of kwallet is about perfection
[10:59] <toma> Tonio_: it also doesnt fill in forms for me in konqueror
[11:00] <Riddell> hmm, doesn't seem to like my wireless
[11:00] <Riddell> neither does nm-applet
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[11:00] <toma> it stores them, but not fills them when i return
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ndiswrapper ?
[11:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, so it is a NM problem, not a knm one
[11:01] <Lure> Riddell: which wifi driver?
[11:01] <Riddell> Lure: airo_cs
[11:02] <Riddell> it seems to spot the driver but it can't see any base stations
[11:03] <Lure> Riddell: you may want to kill NetworkManager and start it with --no-daemon
[11:03] <Lure> then you get progress logs in terminal
[11:04] <Riddell> NetworkManager: <WARNING>        nm_dbus_get_network_data_cb (): nm_dbus_get_network_data_cb(): dbus returned an error.
[11:04] <Riddell>   (org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks) org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks
[11:05] <Riddell> not sure if that means anything
[11:06] <Pygi> Riddell: is that with patched n-m?
[11:06] <Lure> seems you have problems with communication with dbus
[11:06] <Lure> Riddell: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-March/msg00170.html
[11:07] <Lure> Riddell: at least you are not alone... ;-)
[11:07] <Riddell> Lure: no idea, I just installed from Tonio_'s repositor
[11:08] <Pygi> Riddell: that is not ready yet ... please wait ^_^
[11:11] <Lure> Riddell: did you restart NetworkManager as root (sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon)?
[11:11] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: using madfwifi ?
[11:19] <Tonio_> cause if yes, you may have todist-upgrade to get the new linux-restricted-modules package
[11:19] <Lure> Tonio_: it does not get over dbus... so I doubt it gets to driver at all.
[11:20] <Tonio_> true........
[11:20] <Pygi> Riddell: please wait a sec, we are having some issues, I'll help you then
[11:22] <Lure> Riddell: can you try sending SIGHUP to dbus-daemon? This should reload config...
[11:23] <Riddell> Lure: done
[11:23] <Lure> now try to restart NetworkManager
[11:23] <Lure> and knetworkmanager
[11:25] <Riddell> Lure: no change
[11:26] <Lure> :(
[11:37] <Lure> Riddell: does iwlist scan works for you?
[11:40] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[11:40] <Riddell> and works well
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: this could be it: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-January/msg00204.html
[11:57] <Riddell> _Sime_: the window decorations or other stuff as well?
[11:57] <Riddell> the window decorations will be re-done
[11:57] <_Sime_> window decos really.
[11:57] <Lathiat> is the usplash going to be redone?
[11:57] <_Sime_> ok
[11:57] <toma> is katapult going to be in dapper?
[11:58] <Lathiat> toma: it was in breezy, and still starts by default, why wouldnt it be?
[11:58] <Riddell> Lathiat: it needs to be shrunk to look less stretched
[11:58] <Riddell> toma: yes
[11:58] <toma> Lathiat: i'm talking to rinse from translation NL, and he has no clue about those things. 
[11:58] <Lathiat> also i preferred the non-lined background to kdm
[11:58] <Riddell> _Sime_: surprisinly that's the first time I've heard that comment
[11:59] <Lathiat> and the lines only go on one display
[11:59] <Lathiat> Riddell: personally i think making buttons that are often used smaller targets to hit for no reason seems to be a little silly :)
[11:59] <Lathiat> they do look ind of nice tho, apart from the missing black lien on the right hand side of the max/restore button
[11:59] <Riddell> Lathiat: yep, tell it to kwwii
[12:00] <Lathiat> all of it? :)
[12:00] <toma> we should start a wiki page for kde translators
[12:00] <toma> with deadlines and stuff
[12:01] <Riddell> toma: I think carlos will be importing KDE into rosetta next week, so I'd like to announce that to KDE translators once it's hapened
[12:01] <mornfall> Riddell: i think i will want to do an adept upload soonish
[12:01] <toma> Riddell: really? 
[12:01] <mornfall> Riddell: (soonish = few days)
[12:01] <Riddell> mornfall: cool
[12:02] <toma> Riddell: how is that going to work regarding the current way of working?
[12:02] <mornfall> Riddell: i would also like to accompany it with an (k)ubuntu-only upload of libapt-front (0.3.7ubuntu2 ?)