[12:02] <pataswing> thanks for all the help ... is it any different for different type of partitions ? I've got a Fat and a linux partition on a ATA hd and an SCSI hd ...
[12:03] <frank__> pataswing: not sure...
[12:04] <frank__> pataswing: you can probably do this with the tool in systemsettings as well
[12:07] <pataswing> I'm going for the "Disk & File systems" ;)
[12:15] <_jonathan> hello again all, I'm mounting a shared folder and when i do, the /media/sharefolder disappears
[12:15] <epinephrine> in dapper, I get this annoying static-like sound coming from my laptop's speakers, and I have no idea what could be causing it
[12:16] <epinephrine> it's only really noticable on earphones, but when I have amarok paused, it's irritating :p
[12:27] <leafw> by the way, any clues on why amarok uses 20% of my chip just to play (no graphics), versus apps such as xmms that only use 0.7 % ?
[12:27] <leafw> looks like something is terribly wrong.
[12:28] <leafw> on a laptop, that 19.7 % extra of chip usage drains the battery for no reason.
[12:29] <Rayman> epinephrine: you sure you don't get that sound in all OSes?
[12:30] <Rayman> My nforce chip makes some noise all the time.. manufacture error or so.
[12:33] <epinephrine> Rayman: it was fine this morning when Windows was on it
[12:34] <epinephrine> I've overcome a problem on a desktop by disabling line in and the mic in KMix, but they are disabled
[12:34] <Rayman> epinephrine: ok. Try reducing the PCM output. when it's almost topped I get some distortion, too. if that doesn't help.. well then i'm of clues. :)
[12:34] <Rayman> don't know about ALSA/OSS gstreamers etc a thing.
[12:36] <epinephrine> thanks Rayman, that helped a bit
[12:36] <epinephrine> my music is also quieter, but still :P
[12:38] <Rayman> epinephrine: increase master and decrease PCM. :) that does the trick sometimes.
[12:38] <Rayman> or the other way around.
[12:38] <epinephrine> master's up full, pcm down a few notches
[12:40] <rysiek|pl> hi there
[12:44] <Rayman> rysiek|pl: hello
[12:46] <indigojo> hi everyone, got a question about qt4
[12:47] <indigojo> does anyone know which version is planned for dapper? cos i've got flight 5 and the version there is 4.1.0
[12:47] <indigojo> trouble is QTextEdit performance is dreadful, and (according to Trolltech) performance is improved in 4.1.1
[12:49] <LinuxNIT> hey guys in just installed kubuntu on my laptop and the atheros card is working except it wont scan for networks. how do i fix this?
[12:52] <leafw> LinuxNIT: using kwifimanager?
[12:53] <LinuxNIT> no command line however...
[12:53] <LinuxNIT> it just started scanning so w/e
[12:53] <LinuxNIT> i dunno what its deal was
[12:53] <LinuxNIT> first it says rescource unavailable now it scans
[12:53] <leafw> LinuxNIT: lucky you, for my powerbook there's no way to make the airport scan
[12:54] <LinuxNIT> sucks
[12:54] <leafw> my 'ifup' always reports errors but connects anyway. w/e !
[12:54] <leafw> indeed
[12:54] <leafw> wireless and graphics cards *suck* tremendously under Linux
[12:55] <ryanakca> is it possible to have both php4 and php5 installed? seeing that ACID (snort frontend) requires php4, and I use php5...
[12:55] <leafw> it works only on the developer's machine (which is understandable)
[12:55] <LinuxNIT> whats the point of kiwfimanager any way?
[12:55] <leafw> ryanakca: yes
[12:55] <LinuxNIT> i mean it lets you scan but doesnt help with conecting
[12:55] <leafw> LinuxNIT: kwifimanageris supposed to be a "click here" GUI for dummies
[12:56] <LinuxNIT> but whats the use if you cant use it to connect?
[12:56] <Russel> hiho
[12:56] <NaosZ> sorry to ask a silly noob question *blushes* how do I open a terminal with root permission?
[12:57] <Russel> i have a question: how do i play mp3 files and similar in juk? i know how to do it in amarok and kaffeine and xine but not juk
[12:57] <LinuxNIT> there is no root in ubuntu
[12:57] <leafw> LinuxNIT: well, the System Settings let you setup some profiles, whcih I think the kwifimanager honors, or either it reads the different profiles from the  /etc/network/interfaces
[12:57] <indigojo> hi everyone, does anyone know about what version of qt4 will be in dapper - is it 4.1.0 or 4.1.1?
[12:57] <Calilasseia> Hello everyone ... I need some MAJOR help ... my Kubuntu installation has gone AWOL ....
[12:57] <LinuxNIT> use sudo to do root commands
[12:57] <NaosZ> hmm ok ty
[12:57] <leafw> NaosZ: type sudo -s   or sudo -i for a permanent
[12:57] <LinuxNIT> np
[12:57] <Calilasseia> When I boot, the x-server crashes .....
[12:57] <Calilasseia> "xserver"
[12:57] <NaosZ> thanks guys ;)
[12:57] <ryanakca> leafw: thanks, but as a question, how will apache recognise the difference between a php4 and a php5 file%
[12:57] <Hobbsee> indigojo: 4.1.0
[12:57] <ryanakca> ?
[12:58] <Calilasseia> Instead of the standard grey pattern,  I get all kinds of pixellated junk and the machine hangs ....
[12:58] <Rayman> NaosZ: and kdesu for starting kde apps as root.
[12:58] <Calilasseia> I can't even get out of it in recovery mode ....
[12:58] <leafw> ryanakca: make them be *.php4 or *.php5 and specify so in the mod_probe
[12:58] <leafw> or restrict the directories
[12:58] <Calilasseia> How do I resurrect my installation without a total reinstall? Is it possible?
[12:58] <leafw> Calilasseia: everything is possible
[12:59] <leafw> now it depends how much you want it
[12:59] <leafw> (aka how much you want to invest in make it happen)
[12:59] <indigojo> does anyone else know about the qt4 situation b/c QTextEdit in 4.1.0 is so slow as to be next to useless
[12:59] <Calilasseia> What, you're going to charge fees for this? :)
[12:59] <leafw> Calilasseia: not me, it's you who'll be spending time on it.
[01:00] <Calilasseia> OK, I've got Notepad up to take notes ....
[01:00] <LinuxNIT> leafw: what exactly do sudo -i and sudo -s do?
[01:00] <Calilasseia> I'm not worried about the time taken or the monkeying about with shell commands ....
[01:00] <LinuxNIT> i read the man but it makes more sense coming from a human
[01:00] <rysiek|pl> LinuxNIT: man sudo :)
[01:00] <LinuxNIT> ^^
[01:01] <rysiek|pl> ops :)
[01:01] <Calilasseia> All I need is a list of things to do to resurrect it ....
[01:01] <leafw> LinuxNIT: sudo -i gives you an "interactive" su session (== permanent #)
[01:01] <LinuxNIT> so like it wont forget the pw?
[01:01] <Calilasseia> installation began as Hoary Hedgehog, was upgraded to Breezy Badger  via the repositories ....
[01:01] <leafw> Calilasseia: if you have separate partitions for / and /home, then just reinstall. Saves tones of time.
[01:02] <Calilasseia> So I can just reinstall the root filesystem?
[01:02] <leafw> yes
[01:02] <leafw> IF you have separate partitions
[01:02] <Calilasseia> And nothing else will be overwritten if I have /usr and /home on separate partitions?
[01:02] <leafw> which you should by default, but check (run 'df' on a terminal)
[01:02] <jindiaz> hey guys i have a question here.  im trying to put my old ati radeon 7500 vid card in my downgrade pc, the display works and all, but always freezes after loading all the stufff and stops at starting timidity++ ALSA midi emulation
[01:02] <jindiaz> but it says ok beside it
[01:02] <Calilasseia> That's the trouble, I CAN'T run a terminal ....
[01:02] <leafw> nothing else. But of course you should backup your /home just in case.
[01:03] <jindiaz> but just hangs sorta
[01:03] <leafw> Calilasseia: insert a live CD and do a 'df' from there.
[01:03] <Calilasseia> Is there any way I can halt the boot process before the xserver is started?
[01:03] <Calilasseia> Ah, right ....
[01:03] <Calilasseia> I have one of those somewhere ....
[01:03] <leafw> does the computer crash? or the Xorg freezes?
[01:04] <jindiaz> naw no crash, i can type and stuff, its styll running just wont boot agfter that point
[01:04] <Calilasseia> Everything is fine until the xserver starts up ... then it hangs ... keyboard is dead ... but oddly enough the mouse pointer still works ....
[01:04] <leafw> well
[01:04] <leafw> type control+alt+F1 to go to a tty
[01:04] <leafw> that *should* work
[01:05] <jindiaz> whats a tty?
[01:05] <leafw> there login, and see the /var/log
[01:05] <leafw> a tty is a terminal that takes all the screen (no Xorg)
[01:05] <leafw> you have 6: from F1 to F6
[01:05] <Calilasseia> I tried CTRL-ALT-F1 to get to a terminal and I can't - keyboard is totally dead ....
[01:05] <leafw> you can open an Xorg by typing startx on each of them if you want.
[01:05] <Calilasseia> Absolutely NO response whatsoever ....
[01:05] <LinuxNIT> cant be totally dead if you got thee
[01:05] <LinuxNIT> *there :)
[01:06] <djk_> does the livecd use su, sudo, or nothing?
[01:06] <jindiaz> ummm hey leaf are yu talking to me or call?
[01:06] <jindiaz> lol
[01:06] <leafw> djk: live CD uses sudo
[01:06] <leafw> I'm talking to Calilasseia. What is your problem jindiaz?
[01:06] <djk_> leafw: thanks
[01:06] <leafw> djk_: np
[01:07] <jindiaz> ooooooooo.. lol.  ummmm well it is simpole maybe.,  im trying to put my old ati radeon 7500 vid card in my downgrade pc, the display works and all, but always freezes after loading all the stufff and stops at starting timidity++ ALSA midi emulation
[01:07] <jindiaz> it doesnt freeze, i can type and stuff
[01:07] <jindiaz> but wont boot
[01:07] <leafw> won't boot the Xorg, or the base system ?
[01:07] <leafw> can you go to a tty ?
[01:07] <Calilasseia> So I insert the boot CD and reinstal the root filesystem .. then spend time resurrectiing my repository links and reinstalling al the Breezy files ...
[01:08] <Calilasseia> My installation won't let me get access to the ttys ....
[01:08] <leafw> Calilasseia: that's it. But all your settings are in ~/.kde/ so all apps will open just the same.
[01:08] <NaosZ> will Firestarter work with Kubuntu?
[01:08] <Calilasseia> Right ... but since my boot CD is Hoary, I'll end up with a Hoary installation again?
[01:08] <leafw> Calilasseia: you can first put the live CD and run a 'fsck' on the root partition
[01:08] <Rayman> NaosZ: sure
[01:09] <leafw> that may fix it.
[01:09] <Calilasseia> Right ... live CD, fsck on / ....
[01:09] <Calilasseia> And if that doesn't fix it it's reinstall time?
[01:09] <leafw> Calilasseia: with hoary, yes, why not download a breezy CD ? But do the fsck first
[01:09] <neoncode> I set an SVG image as my background and it isn't displaying parts of it. the same image displays perfectly in konquror.
[01:09] <leafw> it is, indeed, unless you use more advanced programs.
[01:09] <Calilasseia> OK ...
[01:10] <Calilasseia> Right, so run the live CD, do "df" to check my partition status, then do "fsck" on / ....
[01:11] <leafw> right
[01:11] <Calilasseia> Then if fsck doesnt fix the problem, reinstall the root filesystem and spend time resurrecting everything ....
[01:11] <leafw> right.
[01:12] <Calilasseia> Only I've never had to repair a root filesystem before ... the installation CD will let me do this?
[01:12] <jindiaz> any advice leafw?
[01:12] <leafw> Calilasseia: humm put it in and see if the F1 help can put you into a shell (I'm not sure it can)
[01:12] <zblach> hey, does anyone know if k3b supports buffering?
[01:13] <Calilasseia> OK ... I'll give the Live CD a try first ...
[01:13] <leafw> jindiaz: can you access a tty with control+alt+F1, or the boot is interrupted before launching X ?
[01:13] <Calilasseia> AH ... how do I interrupt the boot before X is launched?
[01:13] <Calilasseia> Is that possible?
[01:13] <leafw> zblach: buffering as in what ?
[01:13] <Calilasseia> Is it CTRL-D?
[01:13] <leafw> Calilasseia: just wait, can't hurt.
[01:14] <Calilasseia> Waiting ... :)
[01:14] <zblach> leafw, as in, device buffering
[01:14] <zblach> like, preventation of buffer underrun
[01:14] <leafw> Calilasseia: type control+alt+F1 and go to a tty an start doing what you need
[01:14] <jindiaz> ummmm im not sure.  like, in the startup all the items come up and say ok, and the indication bar gets all the way to the end.  after that it goes into the black screen with white writing and the last thing ist says is the stating timidity thing which says ok, and just stops there
[01:14] <leafw> zblach: I believe it does so by default
[01:14] <jindiaz> i can styll type, so its not frozen
[01:14] <zblach> current complaint is this: my drive can write dvds at 16x, my cds support 8x, so why is k3b only running at 1x?
[01:14] <Calilasseia> That's the problem - even if I type CTRL-ALT-F1, the system still hangs ... and dump me into X
[01:15] <zblach> **my dvds support 8x...
[01:15] <leafw> jindiaz: so can you go to a tty or not
[01:15] <leafw> Calilasseia: with the live CD ???
[01:15] <Calilasseia> No,straight boot ... and it's the same in recovery mode too ....
[01:15] <jindiaz> probably, i havent tried, because well first ive never done it before, and second id have no idea what to do
[01:15] <leafw> what you may want to do is to start as "single user mode"
[01:15] <jindiaz> hey man thanks for the help btw
[01:16] <leafw> Calilasseia: do you have in the boot loader options to boot in "safe mode" ?
[01:16] <leafw> jindiaz: just type control+alt+F1 to F6, any, then login at the prompt
[01:16] <Calilasseia> My options are straight boot, and boot into something called "recovery mode" ... neither work ...
[01:16] <leafw> Calilasseia: ok, live CD time then.
[01:17] <Calilasseia> Recovery mode gives me the option to login as root, but since the root password is disabled, that's useless ....
[01:17] <leafw> I'm surprised the recovery mode puts you into an X session though
[01:17] <neoncode> Is it possible to start a Live CD into the command line?
[01:17] <jindiaz> ok, and then after that point, whut should i do, it will just boot up?
[01:17] <Random_Transit> help! my sources.list 'got wiped
[01:17] <Calilasseia> Right, I'll give the live CD a try ....
[01:18] <Calilasseia> Only trouble is I'm having to chat in Windows while my Linux install is knackered ....
[01:18] <Calilasseia> And take notes along the way ....
[01:18] <leafw> jindiaz: boot is to load the base OS, the Xorg + desktop is a separate thing
[01:18] <leafw> Calilasseia: only one computer?
[01:18] <Calilasseia> Only the one ... sigh ....
[01:18] <jindiaz> im on the pc right now btw, it has a built in and im trying to put this other one in
[01:18] <jindiaz> really.... uh oh..
[01:18] <jindiaz> lol
[01:18] <Calilasseia> It's a dual boot ...
[01:19] <Calilasseia> Got Win98 on one partition and Kubuntu on another ...
[01:19] <leafw> Calilasseia: ok, then use the live CD: you can chat from it.
[01:19] <jindiaz> uhhh ok, so yah after i do that, whut should i do?
[01:19] <Random_Transit> hey, what's the CLI command for renaming files?
[01:19] <Calilasseia> Right ...I'll hunt it down and fire it up ...
[01:19] <leafw> Random_Transit: man mv
[01:19] <Random_Transit> thanks
[01:19] <_nlindblad> Random_Transit: rename or mv
[01:19] <leafw> Calilasseia: good luck.
[01:20] <_nlindblad> Random_Transit: rename can do some nice regexp
[01:20] <Calilasseia> Got it - it's a hoary Live Cd, will that make any difference?
[01:20] <leafw> jindiaz: login, and check your system with fsck, and/or sudo apt-get reinstall xorg
[01:20] <leafw> Calilasseia: no, it will work just the same.
[01:20] <Calilasseia> Just noticed what you told jindiaz - will reinstalling Xorg work for me too?
[01:20] <m5m> to log terminal output to a file is it like $ commandwhatever &> filename ?
[01:21] <leafw> Calilasseia: could do, but first check the system. There is no reason why a good installation of xorg would just fail all of a suddenm.
[01:21] <m5m> or blah &&> filename
[01:21] <Calilasseia> Right ...
[01:21] <leafw> m5m: no, just   > filename   or >> to append
[01:21] <jindiaz> ok, will you be here for abit?  i have to put the card in and try all that
[01:21] <Calilasseia> Oh, and m5m, I think you put the "&" character at the end of the command to run it in background ....
[01:22] <m5m> yeah but there's also the use of & for redirecting stderr... I just forgot the syntax...
[01:22] <Random_Transit> stupid automatix
[01:22] <Calilasseia> So for example you'd do cat sources.list >> outputfile &
[01:22] <rysiek|pl> m5m: <command> 2>& or something :)
[01:22] <leafw> its something like &2>
[01:22] <nalioth> Random_Transit: yes, it is. /msg ubotu automatix
[01:22] <m5m> ahk
[01:22] <m5m> ty
[01:22] <Calilasseia> Right, I'm going to exit and reboot off the live CD ....
[01:23] <Calilasseia> Back in a few mins ...:)
[01:23] <leafw> ok
[01:23] <jindiaz> same, lol
[01:23] <leafw> m5m:   [root@server /root] # ./cmd 1>out.txt 2>err.txt
[01:23] <rysiek|pl> guys, is there a way to get apt tell me the names of packages that CONTAIN a file with a given filename? :)
[01:23] <Random_Transit> i got sucked into using it
[01:23] <Random_Transit> it borked my sources.list
[01:23] <leafw> rysiek|pl: yes: use apt-file search <name>
[01:23] <rysiek|pl> thx
[01:23] <leafw> yw
[01:24] <Random_Transit> hey, while we're talking about apt...is there anyway i can get it to ignore certain packages?
[01:24] <rysiek|pl> apt-file: command not found o_O is it something I should install additionally? :)
[01:24] <leafw> m5m: http://www.cpqlinux.com/redirect.html
[01:24] <leafw> Random_Transit: man apt-get
[01:25] <leafw> rysiek|pl: it is
[01:25] <rysiek|pl> yes it is ^_^
[01:25] <leafw> rysiek|pl: sudo apt-get install apt-file
[01:25] <rysiek|pl> leafw: I'm not *that* n00b :)
[01:25] <leafw> rysiek|pl: I never know!
[01:25] <rysiek|pl> yeah, you're right
[01:26] <leafw> I am not that un-n00b at all, I've only been running linux for about a year. All my experience is from FreeBSD (+4 years)
[01:26] <rysiek|pl> leafw: I'm with Linux for about 3 years now. but 1,5was lost with Mandrake :/
[01:27] <leafw> but laptops are so much better supported from linux than bsd
[01:27] <leafw> "lost" xD
[01:27] <rysiek|pl> literally
[01:27] <Random_Transit> heh...mandrake
[01:27] <leafw> rpm systems! Never worked well for me.
[01:27] <rysiek|pl> man, I *hate* that distro!
[01:27] <Random_Transit> rpm is a broken system
[01:27] <rysiek|pl> rpm is not a system at all :)
[01:27] <Random_Transit> mandrake/driva almost made me switch back to windows
[01:27] <Random_Transit> it was my first distro
[01:27] <leafw> rysiek|pl: it works, but only in enterprise editions.
[01:28] <rysiek|pl> mine too
[01:28] <leafw> xDD
[01:28] <leafw> samke here
[01:28] <Random_Transit> then i got SUSE
[01:28] <Random_Transit> it's still RPM...but YaST does help a lot
[01:28] <leafw> mandrake 9.0, then redhat, then peanut linux, then FreeBSD for ever ... until I got a laptop
[01:28] <rysiek|pl> I moved straight to Kubuntu on my desktop
[01:28] <m5m> ty leafw
[01:29] <Random_Transit> yeah...i recently tried FreeBSD...i can't get Xorg working
[01:29] <leafw> m5m: np
[01:29] <leafw> Random_Transit: xDD the BSD is for the patient.
[01:29] <leafw> I use 5.4.
[01:30] <Random_Transit> see, I'm among that group of users that hate windows, don't have the cash for a mac, and want something that Just Works(tm)
[01:30] <Random_Transit> hence why i use ubu
[01:30] <leafw> well, then use debian stable. It just works.
[01:30] <clem_yeats> lol
[01:30] <leafw> but kde may be 3.2 if you're lucky.
[01:30] <Random_Transit> lol
[01:30] <wimpies> does anybody know HOw I can mount a usb flash PEN always on the same folder ?
[01:31] <Calilasseia> Hello, back again ....
[01:31] <leafw> Calilasseia: live CD ?
[01:31] <Calilasseia> Now that was WEIRD ... I booted from the Live CD and THE SAME THING HAPPENED ... X server just crashed ....
[01:31] <rysiek|pl> Random_Transit: don't believe leafw. Debian Just Stays The Same For Ever(tm) :)
[01:31] <Random_Transit> wimpies, you have to add it to your /etc/fstab
[01:31] <rysiek|pl> Random_TRansit: tried setting up php5 in Sarge - repos? what repos?.. :] 
[01:32] <leafw> Random_Transit: php5? That is rocket science for debian
[01:32] <wimpies> I tried but sometimes I get sdf1 or sde1 and so I do not know what to put as device in the fstab
[01:32] <leafw> Calilasseia: juaz. You have a problem with the graphics card then? That doesn't make sense.
[01:32] <Random_Transit> usually it's /dev/sda1
[01:33] <clem_yeats> depends if there are other usb stuff plugged.
[01:33] <Random_Transit> yeah
[01:33] <clem_yeats> and on which usb sock..
[01:33] <Calilasseia> Hmm, it's possible, but if i had a problem with the graphics card, I wouldn't be able to boot Windows either ....
[01:33] <wimpies> random_transit : I have other usb devices (external disk)
[01:33] <Calilasseia> And I've just booted successfully and loaded Trillian to continue chatting ...
[01:33] <leafw> Calilasseia: depends if windows is using the same instructions that linux is (may be different subsets)
[01:33] <wimpies> I read somewhere that udev should take care of that but I do not know how to do it
[01:34] <Random_Transit> what i do in that case is browse to your /dev directory, and just try mounting one sda* device after another
[01:34] <Calilasseia> If I remember correctly, my Linux install uses 1280x960 for the desktop, but I only use 1024x768 for Windows ....
[01:34] <clem_yeats> wimpies : did you try adding /dev/sdf1 and sde1 to your /etc/fstab ?
[01:35] <Calilasseia> Thing is I had  a graphics card glitch in Windows earlier this morning and had to reinstall the drivers ....
[01:35] <leafw> Calilasseia: but the live CD comes loaded with all possible screen resolutions in the world
[01:35] <Calilasseia> So why did my live CD boot crash?
[01:35] <leafw> Calilasseia: why didn't you start there, ehem ehem.
[01:35] <wimpies> I could but then I would have to add b c d e f g h and so on too because I never know on which sdx1 the device will become availab le
[01:35] <clem_yeats> lol
[01:36] <leafw> Calilasseia: the windows drivers may have changed some options in the graphics card's nvram
[01:36] <Random_Transit> wimpies, is it plugged into a hub?
[01:36] <wimpies> isn't that what udev should take care of ? map a plugged device to some fixed loc ation ?
[01:36] <Calilasseia> Oh bugger ....
[01:36] <wimpies> no directly into the PC
[01:36] <Random_Transit> ok
[01:36] <Random_Transit> 'cos linux HATES hubs
[01:36] <clem_yeats> lol
[01:36] <leafw> Calilasseia: and that can be hell to fix.
[01:36] <Calilasseia> Right, hang on ... going to see if my graphics card goes AWOL in Windows if I try 1280x960 ...
[01:37] <Calilasseia> If it does then that'll be my problem ....
[01:37] <Calilasseia> Back later ....
[01:37] <Random_Transit> lol...windows borked his gfx card's nvram???
[01:37] <Random_Transit> ouchy
[01:37] <Random_Transit> i feel bad for the guy
[01:37] <leafw> Random_Transit: what else, other than that there's no reasonable explanation why both the live CD and the installed kubuntu can't make it.
[01:37] <clem_yeats> well I have to tweak my i855 to get 1280x768 working.. so maybe he as to do the same for 1280x960..
[01:37] <Random_Transit> damn...
[01:38] <jindiaz> hey leafw, ummmm the xorg thing didnt work
[01:38] <leafw> jindiaz: what 'xorg thing'
[01:38] <jindiaz> and the fsck said there may be sever damage
[01:38] <jindiaz> and i wouldnt even knoe whut id be looking for
[01:38] <leafw> jindiaz: then, backup your data and reinstall the OS.
[01:39] <jindiaz> REALLY!?
[01:39] <jindiaz> no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[01:39] <leafw> jindiaz: <jindiaz> and the fsck said there may be sever damage
[01:39] <Random_Transit> jindiaz, what happened?
[01:39] <jindiaz> well i got thru the ctrl alt f1
[01:40] <jindiaz> then when i typed in the reinstall xorg, it wouldnt
[01:40] <leafw> jindiaz: and if that was unexpected, I would replace the HD also.
[01:40] <leafw> jindiaz: what message did apt-get give you ?
[01:40] <jindiaz> and i typed in fsck to see whut thta would do
[01:40] <simian> is enableing mp3 in dapper the same as breezy?
[01:40] <Random_Transit> yeah...that is odd. how old is the drive, jindiaz?
[01:40] <jindiaz> but it gave me a warning before doing it, so i was like uhhhh maybe not
[01:40] <jindiaz> lol
[01:40] <leafw> jindiaz: you didn't run the fsck ?
[01:41] <jindiaz> the msg was something like it was unable to reinstall
[01:41] <jindiaz> no i didnt run it
[01:41] <Random_Transit> what filesystem?
[01:41] <jindiaz> i didnmt knoe whut id be looking for
[01:41] <jindiaz> and itsd from 2004
[01:41] <leafw> jindiaz: if you didn't run it, how can you know if your partitions are ok.
[01:41] <jindiaz> because i would know whut an ok partition looks like
[01:41] <jindiaz> ~wouldnt i mean
[01:42] <leafw> jindiaz: read the manual on fsck and use it to check and repair your system, man
[01:42] <leafw> you can run fsck in a "safe" mode that only checks, doesn't actually do anything.
[01:42] <jindiaz> butttttttttt why am i repairing something?  im on the computer we are talking abt ryght now
[01:42] <leafw> jindiaz: the -N flag
[01:43] <leafw> jindiaz: you said the Xorg would not launch ?
[01:43] <jindiaz> reinsatlling it no, it didnt
[01:44] <jindiaz> is it because im trying to put a video card into a comp with a built in video?
[01:44] <jindiaz> i dunno it works fine with the builtin, obviosuly as im on it ryght now, but with the other card it just hangs there
[01:44] <jindiaz> but there is picture and all that
[01:45] <leafw> jindiaz: so maybe the proper drivers are not there. Check that the hardware is supported. Find the drivers if they exist.
[01:45] <ryanakca> whats the apache config file? I can't seem to make apache recognise php... even though I have installed "libapache2-mod-php5"
[01:46] <leafw> ryanakca: the httpd.conf ?
[01:46] <ryanakca> yes, sorry... that was my fault, bad question, where?
[01:46] <ryanakca>  in  /etc/...
[01:47] <leafw> ryanakca: cd / && find -name "httpd.conf"
[01:47] <murph2481> what is a way to view my hard drive information...like how much space i am using and stuff?
[01:47] <jindiaz> it is supported, it works on my other pc with kubuntu 5.10 no problem
[01:47] <leafw> depends on where do you have the server. the default is in /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[01:48] <firephoto> murph2481: df-h  might show what you want to see
[01:48] <leafw> jindiaz: then you're screw. hardware incompatibility, or who knows. You need profesional help.
[01:48] <jindiaz> hahahahahaah
[01:48] <jindiaz> CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
[01:48] <jindiaz> i guess ill juist try to reinstall or something
[01:48] <murph2481> perfect thanks firephoto
[01:48] <Calilasseia> Back again ....
[01:49] <Calilasseia> Now that was SERIOUSLY weird ....
[01:49] <jindiaz> thanx though
[01:49] <jindiaz> lates
[01:49] <Calilasseia> I reset my Windows desktop to 1280x1024 and it worked ... I rebooted the live Cd and got the SAME x server crash ....
[01:49] <Random_Transit> ?!
[01:49] <Calilasseia> Keyboard locked up completely but mouse still working ....
[01:49] <Calilasseia> And a TOTALLY scrambled display ....
[01:50] <leafw> Calilasseia: obviously, whatever you did to the graphics card is undigestable for kubuntu
[01:50] <Random_Transit> Calilasseia...I blame Microsoft...they hate Linux, right? right?? ^_~
[01:50] <Calilasseia> But that's the weird part - in the past Kubuntu has booted with a 1280x1024 display and worked perfectly ....
[01:50] <Calilasseia> In fact in the past  Kubuntu has shamed Windows with its reliability ... except for now ...
[01:51] <simian> i can't play streams in amorok - is there something obvious that i'm missing?
[01:51] <Calilasseia> Now I have a dead installation ....
[01:51] <Random_Transit> now, i'm a n00b with graphics hardware, but can
[01:51] <Random_Transit> 't
[01:51] <leafw> Calilasseia: try a newer liveCD. Otherwise, look up how to reset your graphics card factory settings.
[01:51] <Calilasseia> And for some reason even the live CD won't work where it did before ....
[01:51] <Random_Transit> can't the nvram be flashed?
[01:52] <_magus> ooh. just got waste to work perfectly on kubuntu. what a load of work it was, too.
[01:52] <Calilasseia> Hmm ... here we go, ATI website ....
[01:53] <ryanakca> is there an apache configuration front-end?
[01:53] <leafw> ryanakca: MUAHAHAHA
[01:53] <ryanakca> seeing that the set up on kubuntu is really...  um... odd
[01:53] <leafw> ryanakca: die hard on the unintelligeble httpd.conf
[01:54] <ryanakca> . /etc/apache2/mods-*   is really confusing me...
[01:54] <leafw> ryanakca: you're using apache2 or apache ?
[01:54] <ryanakca> apache2
[01:54] <leafw> ok
[01:55] <ryanakca> how do I enable the php5 module? I used to be able to just go in and add a few lines to the httpd.conf... now its full of php5.load and php5.conf and a whole bunch of strange things...
[01:55] <leafw> never used apache2. Can't help you there.
[01:56] <Random_Transit> ryanakca...not to sound rude, but try heading over to #ubuntu, see if someone can help you there
[01:57] <leafw> ryanakca: #apache
[01:57] <Random_Transit> oh yeah...that too
[01:57] <Random_Transit> O_o
[01:57] <ryanakca> Random_Transit: no, you aren't sounding rude... kk
[01:57] <lasindi[lappy] > Hi all, I just used Automatix to install several things, and I just tried apt-get update afterwards and I get the following output with errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kTXsqE77.html
[01:57] <Random_Transit> ^_~
[01:57] <ryanakca> !automatix
[01:57] <Calilasseia> Well ATI's home site proved to be about as much use as a fishnet condom ....
[01:57] <ubotu> hmm... automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[01:57] <Random_Transit> gah! another automatix victim
[01:58] <Random_Transit> i feel your pain, brother
[01:58] <lasindi[lappy] > I see ...
[01:58] <lasindi[lappy] > Well, could you offer any help?
[01:58] <Random_Transit> yeah
[01:58] <leafw> Calilasseia: usually they have a floppy or CD image you can boot from to check the card
[01:58] <lasindi[lappy] > What sorts of damage does it do?
[01:58] <Random_Transit> lasindi, it plays hell with anything involving apt
[01:59] <Random_Transit> hold on, i'm checking your paste
[01:59] <lasindi[lappy] > Random_Transit: it is possible to undo what it does, though, right?
[01:59] <lasindi[lappy] > Ok
[01:59] <ryanakca> lasindi[lappy] : it messes up your system...
[02:00] <Kax> Hello everybody, I'm using Kubuntu for the first time, and I have a question about playting .mp3's, I've read the FAQ, but I did'nt really understand... so can anybody of you guys help me out?
[02:00] <Random_Transit> lasindi, head over to your /etc/apt directory, and pastebin me the contents
[02:00] <ryanakca> lasindi[lappy] : ever try easyBreezy?
[02:00] <lasindi[lappy] > ryanakca: no
[02:01] <ryanakca> its a... safer... program that is simmilar to automatix
[02:01] <lasindi[lappy] > Random_Transit: http://rafb.net/paste/results/pdRThY61.html
[02:01] <lasindi[lappy] > ryanakca: so you recommend it?
[02:01] <Random_Transit> Kax, I can help you
[02:01] <Random_Transit> but PM me
[02:01] <ryanakca> umm... no... I don't recomment it seeing that I've never used it, but I've heard people say that it IS better than automatix
[02:02] <Random_Transit> so i can talk you through without all the chatter in the room
[02:02] <Calilasseia> Just got a LOT of returns from Google on Radeon 7000 woes in OSX on Macs .... says something about a PRAM battery .....
[02:02] <Cyorxamp> Hi folks, debian has a 'minimal cd for network install' (under 50mb cd) - does ubuntu have something similar for download?
[02:02] <Kax> sure.. give me a minute to register:P
[02:02] <lasindi[lappy] > ryanakca: Hm, well, since my system is already screwed up, I might try it
[02:03] <ryanakca> lol
[02:04] <Random_Transit> ok...lasindi, to my knowledge, automatix...in all of it's blundering, DOES make a backup of your original sources.list
[02:04] <m5m> nalioth: well amarok 1.4 turns out not to work for me after all :-P
[02:04] <nalioth> m5m: oh?
[02:04] <lasindi[lappy] > ryanakca: Does easyubuntu work on Kubuntu as well?
[02:05] <Random_Transit> lasindi: all you should need to do is overwrite the current sources list with the original
[02:05] <ryanakca> umm... I dont think so... I think easyubuntu installs GNOME apps, whereas easykubuntu installs KDE apps.
[02:07] <m5m> nalioth: the collection building process sucks all my memory and the system just becomes 100% unresponsive after about 3 minutes... I've asked for a bit of help in #amarok but I think I'm in uncharted territory... at least no one's aware of this problem with others...
[02:07] <clem_yeats> only run easykubuntu on a fresh install...
[02:07] <nalioth> how big a collection you got, m5m ?
[02:07] <lasindi[lappy] > Random_Transit: tried that, got different errors
[02:07] <m5m> 33Gb nalioth
[02:07] <m5m> err 38gb I think now
[02:08] <nalioth> lasindi[lappy] : /msg ubotu restricted       is the best way to get that stuff
[02:08] <nalioth> m5m: i suspect you'd need a bit of patience
[02:08] <m5m> nalioth: and I moved it all to that repartitioned internal drive...
[02:08] <nalioth> m5m: i suspect you should start the process and have  a nap
[02:09] <m5m> hmm well I left it on all night and it didn't find it all... when I run top system free memory gets down to 4880K out of 512Mb... the cursor dies and keyboard becomes unresponsive...
[02:09] <nalioth> m5m: take the next 3 days off
[02:09] <nalioth> m5m: 33gb is a HUGE amount of data to parse
[02:10] <m5m> Lol but nalioth should it be causing my system to become completely unresponsive?
[02:10] <nalioth> m5m: cuz your system isnt up to the task
[02:10] <clem_yeats> !automatix
[02:10] <ubotu> I guess automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[02:11] <clem_yeats> what alternative applications ?
[02:11] <m5m> nalioth: meaning if you were on the amarok team you might recommend minimum system requirements of +1gb Ram?
[02:11] <nalioth> m5m: not too many folks have that much music
[02:12] <m5m> nalioth: without fail it hangs at 18%
[02:12] <nalioth> m5m: i suspect it's hitting the limits of your hardware
[02:12] <m5m> that's 6.84 Gb
[02:12] <lasindi[lappy] > ryanakca: easykubuntu looks like it's in French ... is that a problem?
[02:12] <clem_yeats> I had 20Gb of music.. and it was fine with Amarok 1.3.7
[02:13] <ryanakca> can you understand french?
[02:13] <m5m> nalioth: but it worked under 1.3.7
[02:13] <lasindi[lappy] > ryanakca: nope
[02:13] <nalioth> m5m: when you start building the cutting edge things, sometimes the handle of the razor doesnt hold it up
[02:13] <ryanakca> lasindi[lappy] : try looking for a translated version...
[02:14] <lasindi[lappy] > Okay I will
[02:14] <lasindi[lappy] > Thanks for all your help everyone!
[02:15] <lasindi[lappy] > See you later.
[02:15] <m5m> I appreciate your helping me to understand the situation nalioth; I hate to give up on something; I'm quite persistent
[02:21] <souldaddy> alright, so i'm a TOTAL linux newb.  and i've been trying to figure out how to just basically install things.  i come from a heavy windows enviroment where you can just double click and zomg its installed
[02:21] <souldaddy> is there like a place to read on how to install things?  like applications from internet, drivers, etc?
[02:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell souldaddy about adept
[02:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell souldaddy about apt-get
[02:21] <nalioth> souldaddy: private msgs inbound
[02:21] <souldaddy> ya i just saw, thanks man
[02:21] <nalioth> souldaddy: wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <souldaddy> :)
[02:22] <souldaddy> from the looks of this tho, great linux distro :)
[02:22] <souldaddy> just installed about 5 minutes ago
[02:22] <nalioth> yes, we like it
[02:22] <souldaddy> lol, obviously
[02:22] <nalioth> i'd recommand you follow this link and enable universe and multiverse repos
[02:22] <nalioth> ubotu: tell souldaddy about repos
[02:22] <souldaddy> aha, over my head.  but i'll read up on it
[02:22] <souldaddy> thanks a lot btw
[02:23] <nalioth> if you read the page ubotu sent, it'll make sense
[02:23] <souldaddy> ya
[02:23] <souldaddy> i figured
[02:24] <SmrtJust1n> does anyone know if the mozilla gecko-sdk is in the ubuntu repositories?
[02:25] <ryanakca> SmrtJustin: "apt-cache search gecko sdk"?
[02:25] <SmrtJustin> ryanakca: nothing
[02:26] <souldaddy> also... will these ubuntu instructions work with kubuntu?  i assume yes, but i just want to make sure
[02:26] <ryanakca> SmrtJustin: then google "ubuntu + gecko sdk"
[02:26] <ryanakca> depends... but in most cases (90% of the time) yes
[02:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> souldaddy: in general, yes, although you have to slightly  adjust
[02:27] <souldaddy> adjust how?
[02:27] <ryanakca> souldaddy: what instructions are you following?
[02:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> souldaddy: app names change mostly
[02:28] <souldaddy> well i'm not following any i was just skimming over the things nailioth sent me
[02:28] <ryanakca> souldaddy: what are you trying to do
[02:28] <souldaddy> and they're all from ubuntu websites
[02:28] <souldaddy> err the wiki for ubuntu
[02:28] <souldaddy> lol, how do you copy paste
[02:29] <souldaddy> it'd be easier if i knew that :)
[02:29] <SmrtJustin> hmm guess I'll have to compile it myself
[02:29] <ryanakca> highlight, then go Ctrl-C. in the window you want to paste in, go Ctrl-V
[02:29] <ryanakca> or you can right click, select copy... same thing as windows...
[02:29] <ryanakca> nothing new :)
[02:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> well
[02:30] <nalioth> souldaddy: ubuntu is kubuntu is xubuntu is edubuntu
[02:30] <souldaddy> ya
[02:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> you can select the text in one window, then middle click in another window
[02:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> which will paste the text you have selected
[02:31] <souldaddy> 
[02:31] <souldaddy> aha
[02:32] <souldaddy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:32] <souldaddy> ah
[02:32] <souldaddy> there we go
[02:32] <ryanakca> how do I enable the php5 module? I used to be able to just go in and add a few lines to the httpd.conf... now its full of php5.load and php5.conf and a whole bunch of strange things...
[02:32] <ryanakca> and yes, I have insalled libapache2-mod-php5
[02:50] <ryanakca> is there an apache configuration front-end?
[02:51] <Random_Transit> ryanakca...AFAIK...no
[02:51] <Random_Transit> but if you do find one...tell me, i'm dying for one
[02:51] <Random_Transit> ^_^
[02:51] <ryanakca> kk
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> what linux partitioning tool will do resizing? perhaps I should be asking what does the installer use?
[03:31] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: you can use gparted from a liveCD
[03:32] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: the part of the installer you interact with is called partman    it calles parted
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: thanks.
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> I've got to toss some etherboot code to the first few kilobytes of hd's of 25's workstations, I'm not sure if I just want to backup that segment with dd yet or actually resize the partition to free up space at the front and put it in free space.
[03:53] <koolatron> Anyone mind telling me if there's a way to get rid of those stupid head icons to the left of each contact in Kopete?
[03:53] <koolatron> or at the very least change them?
[03:55] <regeya> heh
[03:55] <regeya> here's another question:  any way to get discs to mount using volume name instead of device name?
[03:55] <regeya> as in /media/Shane rather than /media/sdf1
[03:55] <_magus> regeya: yes.
[03:56] <regeya> _magus: indeed!
[03:57] <regeya> :-(
[03:57] <regeya> :-) even
[03:57] <_magus> there indeed is a way.
[03:58] <_magus> by creating a folder where you want to mount the device and then just simply mounting it to the said folder.
[03:58] <regeya> _magus: sorry, should have been more specific.  I've been spoiled by automagic mounting under ubuntu and OS X.  I am indeed aware of that method, thanks.  was doing that nearly 10 years ago, to tell the truth.
[03:58] <koolatron> regeya: you should be able to write a udev rule for this
[03:59] <koolatron> regeya: that's how i initially tamed my ipod, before i got spoiled too
[03:59] <koolatron> regeya: i will tell you though that the automounting support lately is flaky at best (a dist-upgrade broke it for me recently, and it caused me to reinstall)
[03:59] <_magus> ach, you meant automagically.
[04:00] <_magus> well. everything is just a matter of adjusting. the question is, how badly do you want it.
[04:01] <koolatron> regeya: write a udev rule for it so that the device node always appears as /dev/device, and then the rest should be taken care of by fstab
[04:01] <koolatron> and automount
[04:03] <regeya> awesome, thanks.
[04:03] <koolatron> no problem
[04:04] <koolatron> regeya: if you need help with the udev side of things, /msg me
[04:04] <koolatron> regeya: i'm not god at it, but i've done it a couple of time
[04:04] <koolatron> s
[04:10] <chiquiloncio> hello
[04:37] <regeya> the funny thing is, ivman behaves the way I want it to...d'oh, why don't I just use ivman.
[04:56] <CellarDoor> hello all
[04:57] <CellarDoor> !kde 3.5.1
[04:57] <ubotu> from memory, kde 3.5.1 is at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[04:58] <winXperts> anyone knows what the name of the image when you put your mouse over the launch button is?
[06:12] <patrix> hey evox
[06:12] <patrix> how'd the flash plugin work out?
[06:14] <evox> its doin fine
[06:15] <evox> Now Im wanting to Install Xine
[06:15] <evox> Any help on that?
[06:15] <patrix> sudo apt-get install xine
[06:15] <patrix> done :)
[06:15] <robotgeek> evox: install kaffeine-xine
[06:16] <evox> That instead?
[06:16] <patrix> well it depends
[06:16] <patrix> do you want the xine application
[06:16] <patrix> or the xine engine in kaffeine?
[06:16] <evox> I want the Xine Standalone Media Player
[06:16] <patrix> then   sudo apt-get install xine
[06:17] <evox> AHHHHHHHHHHHH Im mad at my moniter
[06:17] <evox> Monitor*
[06:17] <evox> It just decided to go Really really effing bright all the sudden and Wont go back to the way it was
[06:18] <patrix> yow
[06:18] <evox> ok its saying that there is no Such Installation Canidate for Xine
[06:18] <patrix> weird
[06:18] <patrix> try with a small x not a big X
[06:18] <patrix> hmmm
[06:18] <evox> it was with a small x
[06:18] <patrix> I don't have it either
[06:18] <evox> did you try it?
[06:18] <patrix> try xine-ui
[06:19] <patrix> that should do
[06:19] <patrix> sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[06:19] <evox> Its on Preconfiguring Packages now
[06:20] <patrix> :)
[06:20] <evox> Ok It installed
[06:20] <patrix> :)
[06:20] <evox> and Im doing an Update
[06:20] <patrix> I'm preparing to upgrade to Dapper
[06:20] <patrix> I hope I won't regret it
[06:21] <evox> YAY its installed
[06:21] <patrix> :)
[06:21] <evox> its in my Multi Media Directory in the Kmenu
[06:21] <evox> Thanks again Patrix
[06:21] <patrix> no prob
[06:21] <evox> God I wish WIndows has this kinda help
[06:21] <patrix> hehehe
[06:23] <evox> SWEET! This is Exactly the same Xine installed on my Xbox
[06:23] <leafw> !god
[06:23] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, leafw
[06:23] <leafw> xDDD
[06:23] <leafw> I'll tell you ubotu:
[06:23] <leafw> "Toutes les religions du monde ont autoris des forfaits innombrables. Les juifs, enivrs des promesses de leur Dieu, se sont arrogs le droit d'exterminer des nations entires. Fonds sur les oracles de leurs dieux, les Romains, en vrais brigands, ont conquis et ravag le monde. Les Arabes, encourags par leur divin prophte, ont port le fer et la flamme chez les chrtiens et les idoltres. Les chrtiens, sous prtextes d'tendre le
[06:23] <leafw> un et l'autre hmisphre."
[06:23] <leafw>  (Jean Meslier / 1664-1729 / Le bon sens)
[06:23] <Red_Herring> !xbox
[06:23] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:24] <evox> What aboutt   Xbox?
[06:24] <leafw> which is to say: "All the religions of the world have authorized packages innumerable. The Jewish, intoxicated of the promises of their God, have assumed the right to exterminate whole nations. Based on the oracles of their gods, the Roman ones, in true brigands, have conquered and devastated the world. The Arabs, encouraged to by their divine prophet, have carried the iron and the flame by the Christians and the idolaters. The Christians, under pr
[06:24] <leafw> oly religion, have a hundred times covered with blood one and the other hemisphere."
[06:24] <leafw> linux runs on xbox
[06:24] <leafw> or so they say.
[06:24] <evox> It does
[06:24] <evox> I have Xebian  Installed rightnow
[06:24] <leafw> xDD
[06:24] <Red_Herring> i will ONLY buy the ps3 if it OSS
[06:24] <leafw> so, how does it perform
[06:24] <Red_Herring> ONLY
[06:24] <leafw> is it useful ?
[06:25] <evox> It performs pretty damn well
[06:25] <evox> You can run servers and what not off of it
[06:25] <leafw> can you attach an actual keyboard to an xbox ?
[06:25] <evox> Yep
[06:25] <evox> and a Mouse
[06:25] <Red_Herring> yea
[06:25] <leafw> or just ssh ?
[06:25] <leafw> ok
[06:25] <evox> Both.....
[06:25] <Red_Herring> how good is the xbox heating wise?
[06:25] <leafw> I assume ssh, otherwise XD what a joke, no remote managing.
[06:25] <evox> Its pretty good
[06:25] <Red_Herring> any chance of overheating those things if it was a server?
[06:25] <evox> Nope
[06:26] <evox> I can leve my Xbox on for Seven Hours or so before it even starts to overhead
[06:26] <evox> heat*
[06:26] <Red_Herring> well
[06:26] <Red_Herring> im talking 54 days
[06:26] <patrix> ok here goes, I'm going to Dapper and hoping I won't regret
[06:26] <patrix> wish me luck guys ;)
[06:26] <leafw> evox: my PC stays on for years without overheating
[06:26] <leafw> weeks rendering Blender movies
[06:26] <evox> Oh welll.......If its In an open space area it shouldnt overhead
[06:26] <Red_Herring> my server has been up for 54 days now... can an XBOX live that long?
[06:26] <evox> heat*
[06:26] <evox> yea......
[06:26] <evox> Mines lived for two years
[06:26] <Red_Herring> on consistantly
[06:27] <evox> Not connnsistantly
[06:27] <Red_Herring> i mean, i know many of them have had heating problems
[06:27] <Red_Herring> so its not good for a server, oh well
[06:27] <evox> ......Those are the New 360 fangled machenes
[06:27] <evox> Im talking about the First Xbox
[06:27] <Red_Herring> evox: no, some of the new Xbox's had the same problem
[06:27] <Red_Herring> the morons kept the heatsink RIGHT BELOW the cd drive
[06:27] <evox> ............Thats what I just said......
[06:27] <evox> My xbox does just fine
[06:27] <Red_Herring> not new xboxes, old ones
[06:28] <Red_Herring> damn, ive been up too long
[06:28] <evox> Mine does just fine
[06:28] <Red_Herring> hrm
[06:28] <evox> I just Turn the Fan up as High as it will go and let it run
[06:28] <evox> keep it in a Wide Open Area and let it go
[06:28] <Red_Herring> hrm...
[06:28] <evox> Its pretty sweet if you add a HDD upgrade
[06:28] <Red_Herring> how fast are those CPUs?
[06:28] <Red_Herring> 500mhz?
[06:28] <evox> ive got a 250 gig in my xbox
[06:29] <evox> Its a Pentium 3 733mhz processer
[06:29] <regeya> Random Capitalization is Not a Form of Emphasis, unless Your Name is Benjamin Franklin.
[06:29] <evox> Get over it
[06:29] <leafw> and how expensive is an xbox, compared to an equivalent PC ?
[06:29] <Red_Herring> lol, thats EXACTLY the same as my server right now
[06:29] <evox> An xbox.....right now is about 150bucks
[06:29] <evox> the Mod is Free
[06:29] <Red_Herring> leafw: im my case, both are 0
[06:29] <evox> and the HDD depends to you
[06:29] <Red_Herring> (trash)
[06:30] <leafw> $150 !? For a server! Not even a mac mini is that cheap
[06:30] <evox> lol
[06:30] <Red_Herring> a server? I found mine in the trash!
[06:30] <evox> LOL
[06:30] <Red_Herring> it works GREAT too
[06:30] <Red_Herring> rj.selfip.com
[06:30] <evox> I found an old ass Black and white Mac Laptop in a Yard sale the other day
[06:30] <leafw> Red_Herring: we are talking about small things you can put unconspicuously on a shelve
[06:30] <evox> Cant get it to power on for the life of me
[06:30] <leafw> xDDD
[06:30] <Red_Herring> leafw: its a miniATX mobo
[06:31] <leafw> xD
[06:31] <leafw> ok
[06:31] <Red_Herring> i dun got a good case for it
[06:31] <leafw> I found my first server in the trash too
[06:31] <Red_Herring> now i got a 2600+
[06:31] <leafw> it had windows 95 in french inside (I was living in Spain then), quite odd
[06:31] <Red_Herring> im wondering if i should use that
[06:31] <regeya> evox, don't know if that one uses the 3.6v battery, but check that, and check the apple website to see how to reset the pmu on that sucker
[06:32] <evox> Ok will do
[06:32] <evox> Its Fecking thick though
[06:32] <Red_Herring> right now my server is crammed into the corner of my room, giving off an annoying buzzing sound
[06:32] <Red_Herring> rather a humming sound
[06:32] <evox> lol
[06:32] <regeya> up until jobs came back apple built great hardware.  some of this decade's stuff is ok tho
[06:32] <evox> Ill give you some advice though.....
[06:32] <Red_Herring> but i got this HUGE case for a motherboard that takes up literally 1/4 the space
[06:33] <evox> Dont run any Linux Distro on the Xbox that has KDE as the interface
[06:33] <Red_Herring> xD
[06:33] <regeya> o_O
[06:33] <Red_Herring> yea
[06:33] <evox> KDE + 64 mbs = Uberlag
[06:33] <regeya> oh heh
[06:33] <evox> 64mbs or Ram sucks bawls for KDE
[06:33] <Red_Herring> oh man...
[06:33] <evox> Xebian does just fine
[06:33] <Red_Herring> DSL blows every OS away at that
[06:33] <evox> Damn Small Linux?
[06:33] <Red_Herring> at full boot w/ fluxbox and all, it takes up 12mb
[06:33] <Red_Herring> yea
[06:33] <evox> On the xbox it takes 50 mbs
[06:34] <evox> under a frugal Install
[06:34] <Red_Herring> in RAM space
[06:34] <evox> Oh
[06:34] <Red_Herring> i got it on my bro's laptop
[06:34] <evox> Sweet
[06:34] <evox> I got VMWare
[06:34] <evox> So I got lots of OSes
[06:34] <Red_Herring> lets just say hes happy it doesnt take 20 minutes to start up
[06:34] <evox> Lol
[06:34] <Red_Herring> (unlike XP)
[06:35] <evox> Ive got Lots of Distros On VMWare
[06:35] <evox> VM is the shit
[06:35] <Red_Herring> heh, night, the nerds are coming out of hiding.  either that or this has been busy all day
[06:35] <evox> LOL
[06:35] <evox> Ive been PLaying MoH all day
[06:36] <Red_Herring> ive been winning awards all day! anyone here heard of DI?
[06:36] <evox> If yall want More Info On Linux on the Xbox go here
[06:36] <evox> www.xbox-linux.org
[06:36] <Red_Herring> evox: i dont have one yet, but a friend offered to sell me his for 20 bucks
[06:36] <evox> .20 bucks for an Xbox?
[06:36] <Red_Herring> yea
[06:37] <evox> Holy hell.............ask him whats wrong with it
[06:37] <Red_Herring> he got a 360
[06:37] <evox> Because No one in there right mind ever sells one that cheep
[06:37] <Red_Herring> rich bitch if you ask me
[06:37] <prower> Is the 360 worth it, I've been  considering either buying that or spending a load on upgrading my PC, haha
[06:37] <evox> Dont get the 360
[06:37] <Red_Herring> im waiting for the ps3
[06:38] <Red_Herring> its supposed to run linux
[06:38] <evox> The MoBos are failing the Fans arnt working and its Not Venting  properly
[06:38] <evox> Dont get a 360
[06:38] <Red_Herring> lol
[06:38] <Red_Herring> too true
[06:38] <prower> Crazy...that sucks
[06:38] <prower> On the plus side Call of Duty 2 is pretty good, haha
[06:38] <evox> And besides........Splinter Cell Looks better on the First Exbox
[06:38] <evox> xbox*
[06:39] <prower> I don't know why they didn't put co-op in Call of Duty 2 though...I mean the machine's more than capable, and it's an option most people want, but nope
[06:39] <Red_Herring> i guess you gotta have High Def to see any noticable difference
[06:39] <evox> yea I guess
[06:39] <evox> But for us Cheap asses we cant see it
[06:39] <Red_Herring> lol, we *are* in a free OS helproom
[06:40] <evox> LOL
[06:40] <prower> Hah, yeah...my TV is like 10 years old, I'm sure eventually the cable will have DRM built in and I'll have to throw out the old one
[06:40] <Red_Herring> then again, its not because im cheap
[06:40] <Red_Herring> i could still have vista if i wanted to for 0 dollars
[06:40] <Red_Herring> but i like the way things work around here
[06:40] <Red_Herring> the way people think
[06:40] <evox> I got a 85   dollar 21 inch Stereo TV that was on Special at wall mart
[06:41] <Red_Herring> i got a monitor w/ a tv tuner card
[06:41] <evox> Like im gonna go get some HDTV............
[06:41] <prower> Red_Herring: Yeah, our university has a program we can sign up for to get free Microsoft stuff...but between Ubuntu and FreeBSD I haven't really felt the need to sign up
[06:41] <Red_Herring> nuff said
[06:41] <Red_Herring> prower: amen!
[06:41] <DaSkreech> So Anyone going to install Kubuntu on the PS3? :-)
[06:41] <evox> You can also Run Darwin and Free BSD on the xbox
[06:41] <Red_Herring> DaSkreech: if i can afford it
[06:41] <Red_Herring> evox: why darwin?
[06:41] <evox> Ive never tried it but its supposed
[06:41] <DaSkreech> I assume you mean the PS3 and not Kubuntu :-D
[06:41] <prower> evox: That'd be interesting, FreeBSD I'd like to try...it's an incredibly clean and stable operating system
[06:41] <Red_Herring> DaSkreech: hrm, i sure hope so
[06:42] <evox> go to www.xbox-linux.org
[06:42] <evox> it has more info and Pics and Vids on it
[06:42] <Red_Herring> im gonna get out of here if they start selling ubuntu
[06:42] <evox> yea
[06:42] <Red_Herring> about 3/4 of the community would
[06:42] <prower> I'd also like to get my XBox soft-modded, but I have no idea how ;> And that's not really appropriate discussion for this channel anyway
[06:42] <evox> I can help you with that
[06:42] <evox> Ive built like six installers for it
[06:42] <prower> Red_Herring: I'd imagine all but the most hardcore would drop Ubuntu if it ever became commercial
[06:42] <prower> (Solely commercial that is)
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Red_Herring: Well you could have 56k modem ...
[06:43] <prower> evox: Oh, yeah...well if you wouldn't mind sending me a private message
[06:43] <evox> I would Burn my Downloaded ISO of Kubuntu and keep that and use that and not buy Ubuntu
[06:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yup, I would as well
[06:43] <evox> I cant
[06:43] <evox> It says Im not allowed or something
[06:43] <evox> [05:37]  [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[06:44] <Red_Herring> hrm, so ubuntu would cost money but not kubuntu?
[06:44] <prower> evox: Oh, yes... /msg nickserv register whateverpasswordyou want
[06:44] <evox> Im talking about Keeping my already downloaded and not fiddle with buying
[06:44] <nalioth> Red_Herring: no *buntu cost anything
[06:44] <Red_Herring> i know
[06:44] <prower> Then /msg nickserv identify evox
[06:44] <Red_Herring> nalioth: backlog
[06:45] <prower> The whole Click and Run thing strikes me as being weird, as that seems to be a move toward more commercialism...but if it helps fund development of Ubuntu then I can't complain
[06:45] <evox> Check PM  Prower
[06:46] <DaSkreech> prower: What click and run?
[06:46] <DaSkreech> You mean Klik:?
[06:46] <Red_Herring> DaSkreech: click, install, run
[06:46] <DaSkreech> I must have missed that newsletter
[06:46] <prower> DaSkreech: Click N Run from Lindows or whatever it's called now...Linspire maybe
[06:46] <Red_Herring> DaSkreech: its so normal now, but before it was alot of work to install programs
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:47] <Red_Herring> ./configure make make install
[06:47] <prower> Basically it's paying for pre-built packages, if I remember right :> Kind of strange
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Whats that got to do with *buntu?
[06:47] <Red_Herring> they got click and run now, but it originated as something that only paying distros offered
[06:47] <DaSkreech> prower: Yeah including commercial or proprietary software
[06:48] <prower> DaSkreech: Yes, and that part of it makes sense...which is probably why it's being mulled over, to give the distribution better commercial "legs" :>
[06:48] <evox> got that prower?
[06:48] <prower> evox: Yep, sorry for the delay
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Dapper Kubuntu is enterprise grade as well?
[06:51] <kingpomba> anyone use open office here
[06:51] <leafw> seldom i do
[06:51] <prower> DaSkreech: I guess that all depends on what standard you're basing it on...if it's on some sort of NSA security requirement standards, maybe not :> But I work in a place that's running it and Xen to virtualize a lot of their old, decrepit servers in software
[06:52] <kingpomba> know anything about the bibliography database?
[06:52] <prower> kingpomba: Yeah, I use it all the time...still don't know about half the options though
[06:52] <leafw> I use bibtex for that
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Well Ubuntu Dapper is delayed to ensure enterprise grade isn't it?
[06:52] <Red_Herring> and to make it look neat
[06:53] <Red_Herring> as well as to polish certain other features of it
[06:53] <prower> DaSkreech: I just assumed they decided they wanted to polish it off more before they put it out there, which makes sense...I'd rather it not be rushed :>
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:53] <leafw> to make it behave neat
[06:53] <leafw> I'd say.
[06:53] <DaSkreech> So is Kubuntu being pushed back 6 weeks as well?
[06:53] <prower> That's what I liked about FreeBSD, the quality control is excellent
[06:53] <leafw> or more
[06:54] <Red_Herring> DaSkreech: i assume so
[06:54] <leafw> prower: FreeBSD will never be replaced in my servers
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Right so then it should be pushing for enterprise grade as well
[06:54] <leafw> [k] ubuntu is nice for the laptop support, that's all.
[06:54] <Red_Herring> it sure is
[06:55] <leafw> the rest is kde candy that you can get elsewhere.
[06:55] <prower> leafw: I don't blame you :> I was actually using it as a desktop OS...with 6.0's pre-emptive kernel options I could burn a CD, play Doom 3 and download five torrents at once without lag in the game ;>
[06:55] <prower> Very good at load balancing
[06:55] <leafw> prower: I know, I render Blender at 99% chip power while doing anything else, and it never feels slugish
[06:55] <kingpomba> but what do you use as your desktop :P ?
[06:56] <leafw> kingpomba: I have no desktop. My laptop controls all my headless servers, ssh -X me@myserver ....
[06:57] <leafw> I am limited now in that the Xorg for ppc can't open opengl apps remotely (whatever), and so I switch to yellowdoglinux for that (another partition)
[06:57] <leafw> I hope it be fixed in dapper (can't even test, the live CD for ppc doesn't fit on a CD! )
[06:57] <leafw> the iso I mean.
[06:57] <Red_Herring> LOL
[06:58] <Red_Herring> you want a dvd?
[06:58] <Red_Herring> i got like 150 right here
[06:58] <leafw> my dvd burner is 1x. Would take forever.
[06:58] <prower> leafw: I'd install it on my desktop again, but I just switched to KUbuntu today ;> It's nice and fast enough for what I need now, plus I don't have to do anything with ports
[06:58] <prower> (I don't know what they'll do if they ever have to re-write CVSUP ;>)
[06:58] <leafw> prower: I must admit I run a headless kubuntu as well in one of the servers
[06:59] <leafw> prower: there is portupgrade
[06:59] <leafw> makes your life easier.
[06:59] <prower> leafw: Oh yes, that's what I tended to use :> Just a short script with the cvsup lines, make fetchindex and all of that
[06:59] <prower> The documentation certainly helped
[07:00] <leafw> the manual is awesome. Kubuntu LACKS a manual like that.
[07:00] <leafw> concise and to the point without being too long.
[07:00] <prower> leafw: Yes, and it would be -quite- nice if there was one...they do have the wiki to supplant it in some ways, however, which helps...usually it gives instructions on exactly how to do a given thing
[07:01] <leafw> prower: the wiki sucks for most things. The FreeBSD manual covers everything; the ubuntu wiki has huge gaps
[07:01] <leafw> try to set an external monitor in kubuntu
[07:01] <leafw> xD
[07:01] <leafw> what a joke
[07:02] <leafw> it toke me an hour once I found the proper way, in some lost site, posted by an IBM technician.
[07:02] <prower> leafw: Well yeah, that's true...I guess that's the nature of the beast though, FreeBSD is a cohesive operating system developed by one group whereas most Linux distributions are custom-built bits and pieces centered around the kernel
[07:02] <leafw> sounds like that's right the picture
[07:04] <prower> Maybe that's a project that someone needs to propose :> There's so many people out there who would like to work on things but have little to no programming experience...they could easily be writing the documentation that we all need
[07:04] <leafw> indeed
[07:04] <leafw> file a proposal
[07:04] <leafw> xD
[07:04] <leafw> at least that is easy to do
[07:05] <prower> leafw: Perhaps I might, though I'm pretty lazy ;> I do report bugs every now and then, but only if it persists for more than a few apt-get updates
[07:05] <leafw> I report bugs when they annoy me
[07:05] <leafw> adept crashing doesn't anoy me, neither does kmail crashing after the last kernel updates ...
[07:06] <leafw> binaries! I'mso use to compile everything from source, this binary thingie almost looks unnatural
[07:06] <prower> leafw: Yeah, it certainly is unusual ;> And it has it's own problems, building everything from source does too...in Ubuntu I kind of mix it up, checkinstall makes it easy to make a cheap package of something that might not be available
[07:07] <leafw> I am used to tweak the makefiles for my benefit (usually, an -O3 )
[07:07] <winXperts> anyone knows what the name of the image when you put your mouse over the launch button is?
[07:07] <leafw> I have little control in kubuntu on how are the binaries prepared.
[07:09] <prower> leafw: That's true...on the other hand they're usually pretty well put together and include a lot of the config options :> Plus I find Ubuntu's default server configurations for packages aren't too bad
[07:10] <leafw> prower: I know, everything "just works" and it works reasonably on the safe side
[07:11] <SlicerDicer-> is anybody aware of how to make kubuntu not put my computer to sleep
[07:11] <SlicerDicer-> its frustrating as hell
[07:11] <SlicerDicer-> I cant figure out how to stop it
[07:11] <leafw> SlicerDicer-: power management
[07:11] <leafw> in the System Settings
[07:11] <prower> SlicerDicer-: I guess you could set it up to boot without turning on ACPI
[07:11] <leafw> end of second row
[07:12] <DaSkreech> is firefox supposed to be more KDE friendly?
[07:12] <Red_Herring> no
[07:12] <Red_Herring> gnome
[07:13] <Red_Herring> firefox = gtk = gnome
[07:13] <Red_Herring> konqueror = qt = kde
[07:13] <leafw> nowadays ... qt and gtk are quite independent of gnome and kde, but only "quite"
[07:13] <SlicerDicer-> prower: ok
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Yes I recall that they were trying to make it more KDE friendly
[07:15] <prower> Konqueror in 3.5 is quite a capable browser :> I use it exclusively now
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Like Openoffice having a KDE pack of icons
[07:15] <Red_Herring> its very nice
[07:15] <Red_Herring> konquer 3.5 is the first stable browser to pass ACID2
[07:16] <Red_Herring> i tried it myself, its true
[07:16] <Red_Herring> its so funny how badly IE fucks it up
[07:16] <kosh> safari and konqueror both pass
[07:16] <DaSkreech> And opera
[07:16] <kosh> opera 9 beta passes now also
[07:17] <kosh> however it is not a final release yet
[07:17] <Red_Herring> kosh: but safari and opera's versions havent been released yet
[07:17] <prower> DaSkreech: ACID2 isn't really necessarily that important, I guess :> It's kind of a means of standardizing how bad HTML should look
[07:17] <kosh> safari is still not released?
[07:17] <Red_Herring> the version that passes ACID 2
[07:17] <Red_Herring> i dont think
[07:17] <Red_Herring> i dunno
[07:17] <leafw> prower: konqueror is the only reason I use KDE ! drag and drop from ssh to ftp to ftp tp ssh to ... it just works
[07:17] <kosh> umm acid2 tests a lot of what should be done also
[07:17] <kosh> like transparency support for pngs
[07:17] <kosh> hover on non a elements
[07:17] <kosh> fixed positioning
[07:17] <DaSkreech> konqueror is awesome
[07:17] <kosh> correct handling of fixed and floats
[07:17] <Red_Herring> leafw: i love how KDE has FULL ssh and ftp support EVERYWHERE
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Killer app in most cases
[07:18] <kosh> acid2 may test bad behavior also but it tests a heck of a lot of good behavior
[07:18] <leafw> yeah, the kde guys did a great work with the underlying i/o structure of the whole thing
[07:18] <prower> kosh: Ahh, I see...I wasn't aware of that, thanks
[07:18] <Red_Herring> man, KHTML rocks
[07:18] <kosh> opera is pissing me off though
[07:18] <prower> leafw: Oh, definitely :> It's nice to be able to cut and paste between entirely different types of servers with the same interface
[07:18] <Red_Herring> (safari = KHTML as well as Konqueror)
[07:19] <leafw> indeed
[07:19] <leafw> its helpful, convenient, time-saver, what not.
[07:19] <Red_Herring> kosh: i like the new one, devel release 9
[07:19] <Red_Herring> but for god sakes, DONT STEAL FF PEOPLE
[07:19] <Red_Herring> STEAL THE IE USERS!
[07:20] <kosh> http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/Opera9Bugs/  look in there for getElementById
[07:20] <prower> Red_Herring: Most of them are willing to give it away if it means it'll get rid of the spyware ;> I can't see how people use Windows day to day without a scanner for every sort of vulnerability out there
[07:20] <kosh> it is why I can't support opera on my web editing interfaces
[07:20] <kosh> that bug has been reported for a long time and they have left it broken to be compatible with IE
[07:21] <Red_Herring> hm, i like konqueror, and i applaud apple for helping teh OSS community
[07:21] <Red_Herring> or at least the safari team anyway
[07:21] <kosh> konqueror is probably the most standards compliant rendering engine out there
[07:21] <kosh> it is far more strict then firefox and opera are
[07:22] <Red_Herring> if you ask me, its the fastest too
[07:22] <kosh> and if something does not work in it the odds are the code is broken
[07:22] <Red_Herring> its not the most stable
[07:22] <kosh> that is VERY good for development
[07:22] <Red_Herring> but its definently fast and accurate
[07:22] <kosh> hmm I have not had konqueror crash on me in years
[07:22] <leafw> hum, I'd say konqueror is stable, but not the fastest.
[07:22] <Red_Herring> really?
[07:22] <Red_Herring> well
[07:22] <Red_Herring> its stable
[07:22] <prower> Red_Herring: That's true, I've certainly had Konqueror crash on occasion with some pages...but never enough for it to be a serious problem :>
[07:22] <Red_Herring> but when you get a JS error
[07:22] <Red_Herring> it DIES
[07:22] <kosh> and I run about 4-8 instances with 10 tabs or so each
[07:22] <Red_Herring> EXPLODES!
[07:23] <kosh> ah, mostly I just turned javascript off :)
[07:23] <kosh> I find it makes the web more enjoyable
[07:23] <JavaGeek> hello
[07:23] <kosh> for the same reason I don't run flash either
[07:23] <Red_Herring> well there you have it
[07:23] <prower> kosh: It probably won't for much longer, considering the amount of emphasis and buzz around AJAX ;>
[07:23] <Red_Herring> windows is so much stabler if you dont use it
[07:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> And more secure
[07:23] <JavaGeek> can someone tell me what breezy-backports mean?
[07:23] <kosh> prower: I avoid the ajax crap
[07:24] <Red_Herring> JavaGeek: a backport is an app that was written with newer libraries, but has been ported to use existing ones that are not up to date
[07:24] <prower> JavaGeek: These are programs that are ported back from the next, unreleased version of Ubuntu basically...not all of them, but a few
[07:24] <kosh> prower: and I don't use it in writing professional web apps either and my customers are fine with that
[07:24] <Red_Herring> !backport
[07:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:24] <kosh> prower: the editing interfaces we have delivered for them just work
[07:24] <leafw> prower: AJAX won't live to long, in my opinion.
[07:24] <Red_Herring> leafw: i disaggree
[07:24] <prower> kosh: Really? I get a lot of demand for it, basically due to the (slight) reduction in server load if it's applied properly
[07:24] <leafw> kosh: when I want a neat web display I run lynx
[07:24] <Red_Herring> ajax provides very useful and powerful tools
[07:24] <prower> (Which is the only reason I'm trying to learn Rails now, I think I like Python better :>)
[07:24] <kosh> my customers are mostly larger businesses
[07:25] <DaSkreech> How does AJAX compare to XForms?
[07:25] <kosh> nothing to do with each other
[07:25] <Red_Herring> just look at the ajax apps out there
[07:25] <kosh> ajax is a way of doing asynchronous calls and updates from the server
[07:25] <leafw> AJAX is nothing new by the way, it's just a new buzzword for javascript apps
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Right
[07:25] <Red_Herring> its insane, they got WORD PROCESSING thats basically abiword written in AJAX
[07:25] <JavaGeek> ah, so basically if I found a newer version of the program i'm looking for on breezy-backport, it means it's safe?
[07:25] <leafw> what won't last is the hype
[07:25] <prower> leafw: Oh, yes...it's an invented term for something that's been around but never really used intensively
[07:26] <DaSkreech> And XForms is a way of doing client side actions and validations of server scripts
[07:26] <kosh> just because you can do it does not make it a good idea
[07:26] <prower> Now it is, of course, but I'm sure that bubble will burst eventually :>
[07:26] <JavaGeek> Red_Herring, prower: thx
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Doesn't mean it will go away though
[07:26] <DaSkreech> It will just stop being interesting
[07:26] <Red_Herring> i dunno, we will see
[07:27] <kosh> it will mostly go away though
[07:27] <kosh> part of buzzword stuff is that it gets abused
[07:27] <prower> DaSkreech: Oh no, and it shouldn't...there's lots of things that it -is- good for, but now we're at the point where people are slapping together rails and turbogears pages with AJAX just because...well, just because :>
[07:27] <kosh> if you require javascript on the front end of your website you lose between 10-20% of the visitors and if you have it for ecommerce you end up breaking it for closer to 30% of people
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know :) And dumb apps will die of course
[07:27] <kosh> our customers would probably sue us if we cost them 10% of their customers
[07:28] <DaSkreech> kosh: No like it can't degrade
[07:28] <DaSkreech> not even
[07:28] <kosh> ajax works fine for a backend but it is a stupid idea for a frontend
[07:28] <kosh> DaSkreech: the more complex demands you make of a client the more likely it is to fail
[07:29] <DaSkreech> As I said not like it can't degrade gracefully
[07:29] <kosh> it can't
[07:29] <kosh> the clients are often BROKEN
[07:29] <prower> I like rails and turbogears moreso because of the SQL abstraction :> It makes it a lot easier for future developers to make sweeping changes to the database/interface/models and migrate the old data seamlessly
[07:29] <kosh> you might be able to make it so it would work theoretically and degrade
[07:29] <prower> Rails just has an odd syntax...it's clear but for some reason I can never remember the rules :>
[07:29] <DaSkreech> GMail works even if you turn off JS
[07:29] <Red_Herring> really?
[07:29] <leafw> gmail works on lynx-ssl
[07:29] <Red_Herring> the html verson does
[07:29] <kosh> however it does not often degrade in practice because of the spyware, internet security etc that people have
[07:29] <leafw> which is nice.
[07:30] <kosh> the problem is that while it may work without javascript, if you hand something javascript and it thinks it supports it but something on the system has broken it then your app will break
[07:30] <kosh> I know it sounds great in theory about having it degrade
[07:30] <prower> Actually, thinking about it rails and AJAX would be a good way of writing desktop applications :> Perfectly cross-platform, just run webrick on your local machine and connect through whatever browser you chose
[07:30] <prower> (choose)
[07:31] <hail_the_dud> I had a version of Ubuntu mail to me here in Iraq...  I hate gnome and am trying to install KDE...
[07:31] <kosh> we have had sites that worked perfectly with and without javascript but found that it still broke for some people
[07:31] <leafw> prower: that is a good idea. Because the client can be made to work!
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Well I just started playing with JS
[07:31] <DaSkreech> can't a client announce which version of JS it supports?
[07:31] <kosh> hail_the_dud: sudo apt-get install kde
[07:31] <kosh> hail_the_dud: that pretty much does it
[07:31] <hail_the_dud> I did it is 3.4
[07:31] <hail_the_dud> I want 3.5
[07:31] <Red_Herring> !kde3.5
[07:31] <ubotu> (you might want !kde3.5.1) To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[07:32] <prower> leafw: That's true...plus you have the added bonus of making a program automatically collaborative, practically...I'm thinking of rewriting the inventory system at work in it
[07:32] <hail_the_dud> coold
[07:32] <kosh> DaSkreech: you don't get it, in the world we live in about 90% of the windows boxes are infected with spyware
[07:32] <hail_the_dud> I was looking for some repositories
[07:32] <leafw> prower: you can even tell apache to broadcast only locally xD and so could postgresql or mysql
[07:32] <hail_the_dud> The kubuntu site doesnt habe much on it
[07:32] <leafw> prower: wouldn't be much different than the current ODBC connections.
[07:33] <hail_the_dud> !kde3.5.1
[07:33] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[07:33] <kosh> what I would do for a really portable app that you wanted to work that way is write it in pyQT and have it so everything is loaded and saved to a server
[07:33] <DaSkreech> kosh: Thats alarmist but yes it's a bad situation
[07:33] <kosh> so you build your own custom client and still work with it to an app server
[07:33] <prower> leafw: That's true, or firewall it off...I guess there's a number of possibilities :> I'd love to get some people together and work on a rails-based jabber chat client
[07:33] <kosh> DaSkreech: that is what I am finding out there
[07:33] <leafw> kosh: I'm doing that for a java imagining app, with postgresql
[07:33] <DaSkreech> 90% of all computers you come upon are spyware?
[07:34] <kosh> leafw: I just find that a complex interface in html,javascript etc just fails too much
[07:34] <kosh> DaSkreech: of the machines that report problems about 90% are infected with at least one thing
[07:34] <leafw> DaSkreech: Joe Sixpack concept of  a firewall has to do with bombs on TV about iraq
[07:34] <Red_Herring> i make sure that every computer within 10 ft of me is spyware free
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Well if you are looking at machines in trouble then yeah :-P
[07:35] <kosh> DaSkreech: we had a situation recently where a customer browser would only render the bottom half of a page
[07:35] <leafw> kosh: the idea is that one can control the setup of the cient, so the html/js would be guaranteed to work as expected.
[07:35] <leafw> *client
[07:35] <prower> Although I wouldn't mind writing something in Java again either :> Especially when it's _so_ easy to switch between different JDK's in Ubuntu for testing purposes
[07:35] <kosh> leafw: the problem is that it does not work as expected
[07:35] <SmrtJustin> Does anyone know of the/a repository that has azureus in it?
[07:35] <kosh> I have run into the nastiest bugs as a result of some damage to the client
[07:35] <Red_Herring> !azureus
[07:35] <ubotu> hmm... azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[07:35] <prower> SmrtJustin: I just downloaded the jar file from the website
[07:36] <hail_the_dud> Cool this is gonna take a real long time
[07:36] <kosh> I have honestly run into fewer problems and simpler problems dealing with actual software on the client rather then browsers
[07:36] <SmrtJustin> Red_Herring: thx
[07:36] <SmrtJustin> prower: I just do that
[07:36] <prower> SmrtJustin: Ahh, cool...well the above instructions will instruct you on how to install it properly, so that should help
[07:36] <leafw> kosh: well, html/css/js is really some sort of sorcery, for all the standards and all regardless ...
[07:37] <leafw> prower: java is easy, and the new GCC 4.1 has a pretty good native compiler, give it a shot.
[07:37] <DaSkreech> kosh: I agree there
[07:38] <kosh> leafw: if windows did not have so much crap that ended up on machines this would all be vastly simpler
[07:38] <leafw> although I'm hooked to python/jython now
[07:38] <kosh> the problem is that most spyware seems to be designed to attack ie and it is not written very well
[07:38] <leafw> kosh: what do you mean ?
[07:38] <prower> leafw: Oh? I thought Jython hadn't been updated in ages
[07:38] <leafw> ah XD
[07:38] <DaSkreech> So you should start handing out Linux CFDS :)
[07:38] <DaSkreech> CDs
[07:38] <leafw> prower: it is being worked on at the moment
[07:38] <kosh> so you are trying to use the most complex features on the systems while other software is trying to modify it to its own advantage
[07:39] <leafw> kosh: sounds like a lost war
[07:39] <kosh> we recently had an issue where a clietn said they could go to one of our pages and kept getting an error
[07:39] <kosh> we actually watched real time and on the page in question the server never ever received their connection
[07:39] <leafw> kosh: but for the idea discussed above I was thinking of a ported browser such as ... konqueror!
[07:39] <kosh> they had software on their system which was presenting adds as an error page for a competitors products
[07:39] <prower>  leafw: I see...well that could work out nicely then, especially once the classpath and the features for gcj get filled in :> It's crazy how much they've done already...Eclipse runs exactly the same in either VM, along with a few other things I've tried
[07:40] <kosh> with no communcaiton to our server ever
[07:40] <leafw> kosh: how smart, and how annoying.
[07:40] <leafw> it is hard to believe there is so much windoze inertia still
[07:41] <leafw> I keep forgetting; all the geeks I know are on macosx/linux/bsd
[07:41] <leafw> noone is cracking windows apps like in the 90's
[07:42] <kosh> god I have so few problems with with unix boxes compared to the windows side
[07:42] <Red_Herring> amen
[07:42] <leafw> prower: even java imagining apps do quite ok compiled natively with gcc 4.1, it's a miracle
[07:42] <kosh> leafw: the problem is worse then in the 90s, more systems are compromised however they are trying harder to leave the system running
[07:42] <kosh> leafw: a dead computer is not useful to gather information, sell as a botnet etc
[07:42] <leafw> kosh: yeah, the virtual machine attack
[07:43] <prower> leafw: Oh, really? That's interesting...if it's possible I'd be more than happy to ditch Sun's JVM and go with gcc, but I'm not sure if all the game development libraries will work under it
[07:43] <kosh> I really like working with python
[07:43] <leafw> I have experience with ImageJ in particular; one needs only remove imports to sun jpeg classes and it compiles.
[07:43] <sledge> I'm following the Java-on-AMD64 Howto and it craps out at trying to install java-package (apt-get install fakeroot java-package).
[07:43] <frank__> leafw: prower: is the sudden gcj development due in part because openoffice integrates java stuff and people wanted it to stay completely free?
[07:44] <kosh> it is not sudden
[07:44] <leafw> frank__: I am sure it helped
[07:44] <kosh> I know some of the people working on it
[07:44] <kosh> and it was very close to being able to run the java that openoffice needed when openoffice used it
[07:45] <leafw> kosh: natively, you mean.
[07:45] <prower> frank__: I wouldn't be able to say for sure :> But it's very likely motivation for at least some of the developers, perhaps even for the OpenOffice people themselves
[07:46] <leafw> by the way, jython is about the best thing that could evenr happen to java, makes it so trivial ... one  can use the java gui classes like wxpython
[07:46] <leafw> (sort of)
[07:46] <frank__> prower: I know that at some point Stallman said he wanted a java free OOo because a dependancy on sun java was unacceptable. Then he said that if gnu java can do it instead, it would be fine
[07:47] <kosh> I prefer python since I find the syntax is just so much easier to get right
[07:47] <leafw> frank__: so it's easier to write a gnu java than to transform the java code in OOo to c/c++ ? xDD
[07:47] <leafw> fearful codebase
[07:47] <frank__> leafw: I don't know about that... but alot of OOo developpers are from Sun and they like java alot;)
[07:47] <kosh> I have consistently ended up with vastly fewer bugs in my python code over the last 7 years or so then in anything else
[07:48] <prower> frank__: Aha...that wouldn't surprise me, especially after his whole "Java Trap" writings :> I personally think gcj's a good idea because there's a definite need for a solid, cross-platform and open-source language of Java's type
[07:48] <leafw> kosh: same here. And errors are spotted immediately.
[07:48] <prower> kosh: I've been trying to learn both python and ruby at once, to see which fits my needs better ;> Unfortunately I just wind up mixing up the syntax between them
[07:48] <kosh> if item in something:   for item in something: dosomethingwith(item)    there are no off by 1 errors etc
[07:48] <leafw> frank__: true, I keep forgetting OOo is nothing else but StarOffice
[07:49] <leafw> kosh: and negative indexes! Why java doesn't have those !
[07:49] <kosh> I still don't get why java could not have used vastly simpler syntax for stuff
[07:49] <leafw> kosh: jython xD
[07:49] <leafw> it works
[07:49] <kosh> if substring in string   if key in dict    if item in list   if item in tuple   etc
[07:50] <kosh> god it makes it so dang simple
[07:50] <prower> kosh: Legacy, I suppose :> It was built from the ground up one way and became very difficult to change later
[07:50] <kosh> if you want to know if item a is in item b you just do if itema in itemb:
[07:50] <kosh> how can you screw that up?
[07:50] <kosh> why is it that each one of those is different in java
[07:50] <kosh> prower: it was built to be like c++
[07:50] <kosh> prower: and so they copied the c++ way of iteration
[07:50] <leafw> one can make java GUIs like :
[07:51] <kosh> prower: all the modern languages do a better job
[07:51] <leafw> f = JFrame("Test", size=Dimension(400,400), \
[07:51] <leafw> ...     windowClosing=lambda msg: IJ.showMessage("Closing the window!"), \
[07:51] <leafw> ...     visible=1, background=Color.yellow)
[07:51] <prower> kosh: Yes, and that was probably a good idea at the time ;> Whereas with ruby, for example, iterations can be done in a line
[07:51] <kosh> prower: python, perl, lisp, haskell etc all have vastly better iteration
[07:51] <prower> (And python as well of course, but I'm more familiar with the former)
[07:51] <kosh> prower: you can do that with one line of python also I was just showing the most simple obvious way
[07:52] <kosh> prower: there is a lot to be said for code that is correct by inspection, that it is just so simple it can't contain bugs since there is nowhere for them to hide
[07:52] <leafw> kosh: but now with generics they haven't copied python's simplicity: the java language has gone into weird ways of its own.
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Openoffice needs to stop being paid for
[07:52] <kosh> DaSkreech: huh?
[07:52] <prower> kosh: Ahh yes, I see what you mean :> The syntax of python does seem slightly easier to understand than ruby, at least to me...but rails has quite a lot of things built into it, and that's the product that people are demanding I write things in ;>
[07:52] <frank__> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[07:52] <prower> Turbogears also looks nice, but it's in alpha and lacking in features in some respects
[07:52] <kosh> prower: ah I do all my stuff in zope
[07:53] <kosh> prower: the security framework is just superior to everything else I have ever seen
[07:53] <DaSkreech> If Sun would stop paying for most of the development and they realized they NEED a community they would be doing a lot better
[07:53] <DaSkreech> kosh: Yeah we use zope for everythign as well
[07:53] <prower> kosh: Oh, really? That's one I've never used, how's the templating like in it?
[07:53] <leafw> DaSkreech: companies are the main funding agencies for FOSS, ...
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Yes I know
[07:54] <kosh> zope security structure is fine grained enough you can do per class,functoin,attribute security controls on things both running and in the database
[07:54] <leafw> including linux, freebsd, apache ...
[07:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> DaSkreech: I know what you mean - When I went to OpenOffice.org, it didn't have a very good community-feel to it (if you know what I mean...)
[07:54] <DaSkreech> But if AOL hadn't cut the cords on Mozilla they would not have gotten the code base sorted out to where it is today
[07:54] <kosh> hmm I am not sure about how to describe the templating, I have not used almost any other systems, the security was not optional and nothing else had it
[07:54] <prower> kosh: Interesting...perhaps I'll have to take a look at it, the name has never come up...is there any built-in support for AJAX/JSON
[07:55] <leafw> DaSkreech: a monster like OOo would have most likely died and become split into parts.
[07:55] <kosh> prower: not by default but I think there are addon products for it
[07:55] <DaSkreech> leafw: Well maybe is should :)
[07:55] <leafw> DaSkreech: well, take the code and get started xD
[07:56] <prower> kosh: That's good to know, at least :> I don't really care either way, but the people all caught up in the "web 2.0" nonsense are asking for it non-stop
[07:56] <DaSkreech> See thats the problem!
[07:56] <leafw> DaSkreech: can be worse than cutting Xorg into pieces
[07:56] <prower> (Even for things that don't make sense)
[07:56] <DaSkreech> There are people who agree that XOrg should be seperate
[07:56] <leafw> prower: what kindof requests are you getting ?
[07:57] <DaSkreech> OO.o has it as one application and don't really care what anyone says thats how it's going to be
[07:57] <DaSkreech> All tied together with Java cause they have daddy taking care of all the bills and PR
[07:57] <prower> leafw: Basically they're all looking for something with a templating system that isn't too confusing for the designers, relatively simple ajax support (part of their design apparently), and the ability to easily change between database servers if need by
[07:58] <prower> Rails seems to have all of that so far and has hence been getting the most attention from them, but I'm open to any good option :>
[07:58] <leafw> doesn't sound that different from "web 1.0"
[07:58] <leafw> a web 1.0 html/css/php/mysql approach I mean.
[07:58] <kosh> prower: I do know that we have gone up against ruby on rails companies and been able to get done in 2 weeks what they said they could not get done in 3 months and so they lost the contracts
[07:59] <prower> leafw: That's true...the more technically minded folk suggest that it'll lower bandwidth by not having to reload pages just for a refresh for some information, but even that's pretty week
[07:59] <kosh> prower: I really like reuse and have built all of our code for the last 5 years to be reused and every single site uses the same version of all of our code
[07:59] <prower> kosh: Wow, that is very impressive...and that's the kind of thing they're looking for, especially since no one there (but me) knows any SQL
[07:59] <kosh> we use the built in zope object database
[07:59] <leafw> prower: with a good planning, yes, thw web 1.0 approach can be as low bandwidth as you want
[08:00] <kosh> however that does not make zope easy
[08:00] <kosh> you have to be very good at what you do or it will take you longer and you will make horrible solutions
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Nope It's powerful
[08:00] <DaSkreech> not easy
[08:00] <prower> leafw: That's true as well I suppose :> Web 2.0 isn't even a term I understand, really..it's almost identical to the one I've been using for years ;>
[08:00] <kosh> it pretty much has a vertical learning curve
[08:00] <leafw> prower: I'm afraid it's all marketing
[08:00] <prower> kosh: Hmm...that sounds ever so slightly discouraging ;>
[08:01] <kosh> I did not want to give you a false idea
[08:01] <DaSkreech> prower: It refers to handing over power to groups of people visiting the site
[08:01] <prower> leafw: That's true...I'm not looking forward to the day when commercial applications are "rented" over networks and websites, though that happens today to a certain extent
[08:01] <prower> DaSkreech: Hmm...I think I see what you mean
[08:01] <leafw> prower: "hummm saturated web design market ... let's make a new language + new approach that is cooked up from old stuff, and let's tell everyone that it's great and that they need it !"
[08:02] <kosh> if people use stuff that way they will deserve what they get
[08:02] <kosh> just like those that use gmail and their email is being subpoened by the government
[08:02] <leafw> xD just for not paying a few bucks a year to get their own server.
[08:03] <kosh> if you put your data on someone elses server then they control it no matter what
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Well if you put any data on a server without a bots.txt Google owns :)
[08:03] <prower> kosh: Yes, that's true...which makes me somewhat concerned about GMail ;> I've e-mailed my doctor a few times, then started getting spam and directed ads for medications I definitely don't want
[08:05] <DaSkreech> I forget there are ads in there
[08:05] <kosh> their definition of evil does not always fit mine
[08:05] <Red_Herring> DaSkreech: its robots.txt
[08:06] <leafw> good night folks. Time to find some rest.
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Red_Herring: It is? Oh No!! My Precious Data!!!
[08:06] <prower> So for anyone who uses Zope, how easily does it handle SQL? I know with rails et. al. it's generated automatically
[08:07] <kosh> I don't even use zope with sql
[08:07] <RedHerring|Sleep> DaSkreech: :-P
[08:07] <kosh> you can though
[08:07] <kosh> however if you do that you lose some of the security
[08:07] <DaSkreech> RedHerring|Sleep: I knew but thanks though
[08:07] <prower> kosh: Oh, that's right, it has its own database :> Perhaps a better question would be what the syntax is like for dealing with that information
[08:08] <kosh> since a relational database can not keep the security at the level of an object database
[08:08] <kosh> prower: it is transparent to use the built in database
[08:08] <kosh> self.something = somevar etc type of deal
[08:09] <prower> kosh: Oh, I see...well that's a relatively simple way of doing it as well :> Looking at the page I also notice that editing and user managing/authentication are built in, which is a big plus
[08:09] <DaSkreech> kosh: Which Company?
[08:09] <kosh> DaSkreech: which am I?
[08:10] <kosh> http://www.webmediaengineering.com
[08:10] <VomiTron> hi there, in the process of downloading kubuntu atm, was wondering what kernel breezy comes with?
[08:10] <prower> Zope running under a chroot or something similar might be what they're looking for, assuming the templating language isn't too arcane and weird :>
[08:11] <prower> VomiTron: 2.6.12 I believe?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Oh Cool XForms is a W3C recommendation
[08:11] <kosh> just run zope under its own userid
[08:11] <kosh> its won't allow reading or writing to the filesystem
[08:11] <DaSkreech> prower: It's pretty easy to learn
[08:11] <kosh> so run zope as its own user under an internal only port
[08:11] <VomiTron> been using slackware for a long while now, looking forward to a change :)
[08:11] <kosh> and then have apache proxy to that port
[08:11] <prower> kosh: Ahh, okay...I guess that could be a problem though, couldn't it? Like uploading big files to it might have considerable overhead
[08:12] <kosh> very nice setup that way
[08:12] <kosh> it handles large files pretty darn well
[08:12] <kosh> our customers upload uo to 200M files without an issue
[08:12] <prower> VomiTron: That's what I started out on :> It was certainly nice, the refusal to move on and go 2.6 with the kernel kind of put me off
[08:12] <prower> kosh: Ahh, I see...this is good information to know, the marine lab that I'm working at could potentially be dealing with terabytes of imaging data
[08:12] <VomiTron> yep, that's why i'm switching... along with the refusal to goto x86_64
[08:13] <VomiTron> i know i'm going to miss its package management though
[08:13] <DaSkreech> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2006/xforms-qr.html
[08:13] <prower> VomiTron: Well, I think that's just lack of resources...it is made by one guy after all, and one guy who hasn't been in the best of health for a while :>
[08:14] <VomiTron> yea, i think when he got sick and the project slowed to a grinding halt was kind of the beginning of the end :(
[08:14] <prower> Hmm...there's zope 2.9 and zope 3...I guess I'll install the newer one
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Zope3 is still an experiment I think
[08:14] <prower> VomiTron: Perhaps, I think it'll survive though :> There's still a surprising amount of people who are still interested in it...and there are spinoffs like Vector
[08:14] <kosh> hmm with terabytes of data you might be better off with use a relationaldb
[08:14] <kosh> it shoul dwork with that much data but I have not tested that
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Though I'm just wondering how a transactional system will handle terrabytes of data ...
[08:15] <VomiTron> yea i never had any luck with those spinoffs... slamd64 was ok, i thought vector was kinda crappy....
[08:15] <prower> DaSkreech: Sorry, I  should have been more specific :> These are files, raw dumps that are then interpreted by some old rickety program into SQL records
[08:16] <VomiTron> i do hope slack gets back on its feet again, i'd come running back to it for sure... in the mean time though i hope kubuntu works out for me as i'm unwilling to work with an rpm based distro
[08:16] <kosh> also I would definitely use a 64bit system so you can use more memory
[08:16] <prower> VomiTron: Well, nevertheless maybe you might want to try CentOS :> It is RPM based but it's  very stable...I'm running Kubuntu and FreeBSD on two separate machines, Kubuntu makes for a nice OS all around
[08:17] <prower> FreeBSD made a good desktop but a phenomenal server
[08:17] <kosh> prower: unless you need the fine grained security of zope I would not use it for that application
[08:17] <VomiTron> i had so many problems with freebsd on my desktop
[08:19] <prower> kosh: Oh, really? Well, part of what they do want to write is a new authentication system...would Zope be useful for that, or would it be just as easy to keep track of user records in an SQL database as per usual?
[08:19] <VomiTron> does kubuntu load kdm by default?
[08:19] <prower> VomiTron: I did as well, right up until 6.0 came out :> Then everything worked
[08:19] <prower> (And yes, KDM is loaded by default)
[08:20] <kosh> prower: the auth system zope is great at
[08:20] <kosh> prower: I just don't know how it would work with all the other requrements you have
[08:20] <VomiTron> <----is annoyed by kdm
[08:21] <prower> kosh: Yes, that's the big problem I guess...they have vague ideas and want to build a platform on something that will last...but that's it ;>
[08:21] <kosh> prower: also you probably want to use zope 2.9 not 3
[08:21] <kosh> prower: despite the version numbers 3 is not an upgrade over 2, they are fairly different
[08:22] <kosh> prower: they are both web app servers at least
[08:22] <prower> kosh: Oh, I see...well, I will install the 2.9 version on the test server then
[08:24] <kosh> prower: zope 3 is designed as a pure app server that is good at doing web apps, however zope 2 is designed as a web app server and can do some regular app server stuff
[08:26] <prower> kosh: That's probably more along the lines of what they need then...most of the jobs are pretty typical stuff, like they'll have a bunch of things in a database and say "write a PHP interface so we can get at that stuff"
[08:26] <prower> (Scaffold in ruby is great for that, since you can essentially give it access to the model in one line)
[08:27] <kosh> yeah therea are lots of things that rails is good for
[08:29] <prower> kosh: Zope does have some benefits that I'm noticing already, however...such as the built-in version tracking and rollbacks for the online manager
[08:29] <kosh> umm
[08:29] <kosh> don't count that feature
[08:29] <kosh> the version stuff does not really work and it is going to be removed most likely
[08:29] <prower> kosh: Oh...well then never mind ;>
[08:29] <kosh> there are some weird corner cases
[08:29] <prower> That's too bad, it would be a useful thing to have
[08:30] <kosh> you can undo though
[08:30] <kosh> that works perfectly
[08:30] <kosh> however there is a thing called versions
[08:30] <kosh> where you start that, do work in it and commit bit
[08:30] <kosh> but if people change stuff that you lock for the version it can get stranged
[08:31] <kosh> however undo/redo works fine
[08:31] <prower> kosh: Hmm, I see...well it's all very interesting stuff to say the least :> And I'll have to take a look into it...eventually I'm going to have to pick something to write it in
[08:32] <kosh> I just wanted to make sure you where not looking at the version object
[08:32] <kosh> at some point you will hear about zclasses, my advice to you is to forget anything you have hear about them
[08:33] <kosh> it is a very bad idea to use them
[08:46] <hail_the_dud> Anyone have a Averatec 3700 laptop?
[08:47] <hail_the_dud> If so what driver you use for X?
[08:47] <nalioth> hail_the_dud: is your X functional ?
[08:55] <Pyrobob> I gotta small problem with CVSWineX...
[08:55] <Pyrobob> I followed this ( http://samhob.com/sam/steamlin/howto.htm ) tutorial to install steam with WineX
[08:55] <Pyrobob> and it says to run cvswinex and let it do alot of stuff
[08:56] <Pyrobob> it keeps telling me:
[08:56] <Pyrobob> wine: chdir to /home/tony/.cvswinex/wineserver-ubuntu : No such file or directory
[08:56] <Pyrobob> how do I fix that?
[08:57] <Pyrobob> any ideas?
[08:58] <Pyrobob> I take that as a no...
[09:03] <Pyrobob> ...
[09:05] <klugez> Pyrobob: try creating that directory
[09:05] <klugez> probably won't work but worth a try
[09:05] <klugez> tried to google the error message already?
[09:05] <Pyrobob> thats what I was thinking
[09:06] <Pyrobob> nope
[09:07] <Pyrobob> and I googled it a while ago
[09:08] <Pyrobob> just didn't find anything
[09:13] <sledge> I set up a 32-bit chroot and the package j2re1.4 still doesn't exist. Wtf am I doing wrong?
[09:43] <Steven_M> do any of you have super tux installed?
[09:57] <Verithrax> Which packages do I need to compile X11 and KDE software?
[09:57] <xChomp> is somebody familiar with chkrootkit in here?
[09:57] <xChomp> i always get a line like this:
[09:57] <xChomp> eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[7990] )
[09:58] <xChomp> what does it mean? is it a security issue?
[09:59] <xChomp> no idea?
[10:02] <Steven_M> xChomp: I think you and I are the only ones here.
[10:07] <xChomp> oh
[10:12] <tchize> Virthrax: gcc and lots of -devel packages, depending on what kde/X11 sources requires as headers :)
[10:13] <Dogmatic> Hi just looking over the docs quickly & I don't see games listed... I assume there's no games on the live cd then?
[10:18] <tchize> xChomp: let me run chkrootkit here
[10:18] <Kaiser_Away> xChomp: i havent seen that before
[10:19] <tchize> xChomp: i get the same massage here, am checking the dhclient docs to see if it's a normal behaviour of dhcp client to sniff packets
[10:23] <xChomp> tchize: did you found anything?
[10:23] <[Surge] > !repos
[10:23] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:24] <tchize> xChomp: according to docs, dhclients is a layer2 application and so must do filtering to do his job. So this is commonly a false positive. The problem is, because dhclient always sniff network to od it's job, if it is compromised, you have no way to discover it easily :)
[10:25] <tchize> so to be sure systme is ok, you have to check the dhclient binary is sane :)
[10:26] <tchize> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122297
[10:26] <xChomp> or you use static ip's instead of dhcp
[10:27] <xChomp> thanks for the link
[10:43] <chemaja> so umm... filesharing: does everyone else use apollon for P2P?
[10:44] <[Surge] > chemaja: I use Azureus (BitTorrent) but I suppose it depends on whether what you plan to do is legal or not.
[10:46] <[Surge] > Odd ... cervisa isn't in an ubuntu repository?
[10:46] <ajo> ::: hi i have two sound devices one is a pci cmedia n other is via8235, i want to disable the pci one, which is the default device
[10:47] <xChomp> easiest way is to plug it out :)
[10:47] <[Surge] > Yeah :)
[10:47] <ajo> Oh!
[10:47] <weedar> I just got up and find that my / partition has filled up since last night. Any way to find what are the most recent changes to the partition?
[10:47] <chemaja> [Surge] : thanks.
[10:53] <[Surge] > Duh ... helps when you spell properly in Synaptic. :)
[10:53] <[Surge] > weedar: man find ?
[10:54] <Kaiser_Away> weedar: look in /var/ and /tmp/ as those are the most likely candidates
[10:54] <weedar> Thanks Kaiser_Away =)
[10:55] <[Surge] > weedar: find / -ctime 0
[10:55] <[Surge] > That will show you all files created in the last 24 hours
[10:56] <[Surge] > find / -mtime 0
[10:56] <[Surge] > Will show you all modified files in the last 24 hours
[10:56] <weedar> Ah, that's exactly what I need
[10:56] <[Surge] > And "atime" for last accessed
[10:56] <weedar> Thanks [Surge] 
[10:56] <[Surge] > I told you ... "man find"  :)
[10:59] <nico8481> hi
[10:59] <GvsE> hi
[10:59] <GvsE> Any big kubuntu forum ? :/
[10:59] <shrewduser> anyone got experience with the wineCVS script?
[11:01] <klugez> GvsE: ubuntuforums.org has a kubuntu section
[11:01] <GvsE> nice :f
[11:13] <ubijtsa> find -atime may not work on all systems
[11:13] <ubijtsa> I mount all my filesystems with noatime
[11:14] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[11:15] <irvin> is this the appropriate channel? i was wondering why most kde apps are not registered in rosetta?
[11:16] <jpatrick> irvin: Dapper is yet to be imported
[11:16] <irvin> jpatrick: is there a specific sked for it?
[11:17] <jpatrick> what?
[11:17] <irvin> i mean when will the kde pot files imported to rosetta?
[11:18] <jpatrick> String Freeze
[11:18] <irvin> ahh... thanks
[11:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:33] <noteventime> 'ello
[11:33] <slow-motion> hi noteventime
[11:49] <Dreamstar> hi guys can i ask u something?
[11:49] <Dreamstar> hi noteventime :)
[11:50] <noteventime> 'ello
[11:50] <Dreamstar> noteventime: are u using amarok 1.4b2?
[11:50] <noteventime> Yes
[11:50] <noteventime> listening to it right now ^^
[11:51] <Dreamstar> i hate the xine engine :( i want the gstreamer back :(
[11:51] <noteventime> ok
[11:51] <noteventime> I love xine ^^
[11:51] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: it is back
[11:51] <Dreamstar> i'm having lot of troubles connecting to streams with xine engine
[11:51] <noteventime> What happens if you install amaroK-gstreamer then?
[11:51] <Dreamstar> i cannot find it that's the prob !
[11:52] <Dreamstar> in adept it looks like it can't find any amarok-gstreamer package
[11:52] <noteventime> ok
[11:52] <noteventime> let me take a look :D
[11:52] <Dreamstar> thx :D
[11:52] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: sudo echo "deb http://tiber.tauware.de/~jpatrick/debs/amarok1.4-beta2 ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list (for Dapper)
[11:53] <Dreamstar> thx jpatrik :) i used the repository given on kubuntu.org and no gstreamer engine there, thx so much :)
[11:53] <noteventime> I have it
[11:53] <jpatrick> My repo has the akode and gstreamer engines
[11:54] <jpatrick> as well
[11:55] <Dreamstar> noteventime: on the repository given on kubuntu i still don't have any gstreamer engine O__O''
[11:55] <noteventime> apt-cache search amarok
[11:56] <admrl> Dreamstar why would you need gstreamer
[11:56] <noteventime> He has problems with streaming
[11:56] <jpatrick> admrl: because it rocks
[11:56] <admrl> ahhh
[11:56] <Dreamstar> coz it worked better to me, with xine a lot of streams don't work :)
[11:57] <admrl> but we dont have a maintainer for it
[11:57] <noteventime> I did like gstreamer until i got xine ^^
[11:57] <admrl> amarok doesnt i mean
[11:57] <jpatrick> admrl: maintainer for what?
[11:57] <noteventime> The crystalspace package really needs a maintainer :/
[11:57] <admrl> for gstreamer
[11:57] <admrl> in amarok
[11:57] <jpatrick> well gst0.10 developments underway
[11:58] <admrl> devs have been talking alot about that
[11:58] <admrl> but im leaving byes
[11:58] <Dreamstar> ah btw xine engine with arts doesn't work at all
[11:58] <Dreamstar> bye admrl
[11:58] <noteventime> How do i disable IPv6 in konqueror?
[11:58] <jpatrick> bye admrl
[11:59] <chemaja> what the hell is arts FOR anyway? i used to think it was for simultaneous access to the soundcard by applications, but recently i did a dapper server install +kdebase +amarok, and system sounds work simultaneously with .ogg files *shrug*
[12:00] <noteventime> Sound has always been hell in Linux, It has gotten a lot better though
[12:00] <Dreamstar> jpatrick: trying to install gstreamer from ur repo gives me an error
[12:00] <Dreamstar> amarok-gstreamer:
[12:00] <Dreamstar>   Dipende: amarok (=2:1.4-beta1+1.4-beta2-0ubuntu2) ma 2:1.4-beta2-2ubuntu1 verr installato
[12:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[12:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was wondering why i can't play MIDI in lnux
[12:01] <noteventime> 'ello
[12:01] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: that's cos you have the kubuntu.org one installed
[12:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sound work perfectly usually
[12:01] <noteventime> !midi
[12:01] <ubotu> midi is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[12:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[12:01] <noteventime> ;)
[12:01] <noteventime> I love you ubotu
[12:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> me to
[12:01] <Dreamstar> ah ok i uninstall that one and then install urs, right?
[12:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> too*
[12:02] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: yes (I'ld purge)
[12:02] <Dreamstar> jpatrick: thx :)
[12:02] <noteventime> Why is konwueror so slow for web browsing
[12:02] <noteventime> I've read it's because of the IPv6 support
[12:03] <noteventime> Well, all KDElib apps are slow connecting to the internet
[12:03] <Dreamstar> i hate konqueror for browsing internet..Firefox rulez ^^
[12:04] <noteventime> yep
[12:04] <chemaja> hrm... konqueror is fine here.... but as stated abouve i'm running dapper and not the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[12:04] <noteventime> Still, A lot of other apps need to connect
[12:05] <Dreamstar> guys btw where are u all from? it's nice to know to which side of the world we are talking to :)
[12:05] <klugez> i'm from finland
[12:05] <noteventime> Sweden
[12:06] <Dreamstar> italy here
[12:06] <cycus_zwisus> poland
[12:06] <pawel>     
[12:06] <Dreamstar> LOL admrl :D
[12:06] <noteventime> Will dapper have builtin support for wpa?
[12:06] <admrl> its 6:06 in the morning here
[12:06] <jpatrick> pawel: morning to you too
[12:07] <noteventime> hehe
[12:07] <Dreamstar> so admrl u are on the EST, here in italy is 12.06
[12:07] <pawel> speak russian?
[12:07] <pawel> no?
[12:07] <cycus_zwisus> I spoke russian a few years ago :P
[12:07] <noteventime> no
[12:07] <admrl> yep but im out
[12:08] <pawel> bad
[12:08] <pawel> ;-(
[12:08] <admrl> get to drive an hour and a half this morning
[12:08] <admrl> :D
[12:08] <Dreamstar> admrl: O___O''
[12:08] <noteventime> :( How do i disable damn IPv6 support X-D
[12:08] <admrl> but ya im actually leaving now tho byes ;)
[12:08] <noteventime> !ipv6
[12:08] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[12:08] <noteventime> aha
[12:09] <Dreamstar> pawel: i know just few Bulgarian words...
[12:09] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: work?
[12:09] <noteventime> !best
[12:09] <ubotu> noteventime: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:09] <Dreamstar> God bless Ubotu
[12:09] <pawel> ubuntu (and kubuntu) rulezzzzzzz
[12:09] <pawel> :D
[12:09] <Dreamstar> jpatrik trying it right now
[12:10] <pawel> ok "i'll be back"
[12:10] <Dreamstar> damn it crashes
[12:11] <Dreamstar> looks like gstreamer is not able to configure the arts sink
[12:11] <jpatrick> :/
[12:11] <noteventime> Dreamster, I had the same problem with xine
[12:11] <noteventime> It fixed itself though
[12:11] <Dreamstar> noteventime: how?!
[12:11] <noteventime> I don't know
[12:12] <noteventime> Just worked after a while
[12:12] <noteventime> :P
[12:12] <Dreamstar> it tells me to rung gst-configure or something like that
[12:13] <cycus_zwisus> i've installed mandriva 2006 yesterday and imho it almost looks like ms windows already
[12:13] <cycus_zwisus> i installed*
[12:14] <cycus_zwisus> Dreamstar i don't hate it, i've been using it for almost a year before i discovered ubuntu
[12:15] <cycus_zwisus> it was my first linux, i can't hate it :)
[12:15] <Dreamstar> i used it as it was mandrake and it was free...but when it went pay...well....
[12:15] <klugez> mandrake was my first linux also
[12:15] <klugez> it had a user-friendly reputation, which is why i chose it
[12:16] <klugez> and it was ok, but apt-get is magical :)
[12:16] <cycus_zwisus> i installed it on my friend's computer, he's a novice and he wanted mandriva (tried to talk him into installing ubuntu but without success :(
[12:17] <Dreamstar> wb noteventime
[12:17] <noteventime> Thanks :D
[12:17] <cycus_zwisus> besides he wanted mandriva because he paid for it
[12:18] <noteventime> Everything is a LOT faster now
[12:18] <cycus_zwisus> anyway, madriva 200 is like windows xp for me
[12:18] <cycus_zwisus> mandriva 2006*
[12:19] <noteventime> yay
[12:19] <noteventime> !wpa
[12:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, wpa is enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
[12:20] <Dreamstar> damn amarok still keep crashing everytime now :(
[12:20] <cycus_zwisus> Dreamstar, which version of amaroK?
[12:21] <Dreamstar> 1.4b2
[12:21] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: no bug?
[12:21] <jpatrick> debug*
[12:21] <Dreamstar> yep jp
[12:21] <Dreamstar> i can send u the email amarok create
[12:21] <jpatrick> pastebin it
[12:21] <cycus_zwisus> i haven't got any problems with 1.4b2
[12:22] <cycus_zwisus> do you use breezy or dapper?
[12:22] <jpatrick> np: Take Me Out | Franz Ferdinand - [amaroK] 
[12:23] <Dreamstar> jpatrick: if i post it here it floods the channel :(
[12:23] <slow-motion> re
[12:23] <jpatrick> !pastebin
[12:23] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[12:24] <Dreamstar> ah thx :D sry
[12:29] <noteventime> Yay, all you people... Disable IPv6, everything is SO much faster
[12:30] <Dreamstar> jpatrick: here u are http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10492
[12:31] <Dreamstar> !ipv6
[12:31] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[12:37] <Dreamstar> damn amarok still crashing :(
[12:37] <noteventime> :/
[12:37] <noteventime> But doesn it crash faster? haha
[12:37] <Dreamstar> LOL :D
[12:37] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: all odd if you ask me
[12:38] <Dreamstar> jpatrick i'll try to reinstall again amarok from ur repo...hope it will work...
[12:38] <jpatrick> is gst0.10 installed properly?
[12:39] <Dreamstar> i'm installing it from the repo given on gstreamer.net
[12:39] <jpatrick> should be in Dapper
[12:39] <jpatrick> cos that's where I put the deps from
[12:40] <Dreamstar> ok gstreamer looks to be update
[12:41] <Dreamstar> going to make a clean installation of amarok again...hope this will help
[12:42] <Dreamstar> wow!! looks like amarok isn't configured at all!!! it gives me even an error when i try to remove it!
[12:42] <Dreamstar> amarok: il sottoprocesso post-removal script ha restituito un codice di errore 1
[12:42] <jpatrick> oh dear....
[12:42] <Dreamstar> (translated it says that the subprocess returns an error code 1)
[12:43] <jpatrick> my bad coding
[12:44] <Dreamstar> so what to do now?
[12:44] <jpatrick> remove
[12:45] <Dreamstar> k trying to do so but with no success at all
[12:48] <jpatrick> Dreamstar: bad amarok.postrm script of mine
[12:49] <Dreamstar> so how to fix it now jp?
[12:50] <jpatrick> have to think of something
[12:50] <jpatrick> uninstall --purge?
[12:50] <Dreamstar> so the command what should be?
[12:51] <jpatrick> apt-get remove --purge
[12:52] <Dreamstar> it gives me an error processing amarok and asks for a reinstallation
[12:53] <jpatrick> :|
[12:53] <Dreamstar> ok the prob is in the post-removal script as u said
[12:54] <Dreamstar> i think i should wait till u'll correct the script and then download from ur repo again
[12:54] <jpatrick> echo "Fix amarok1.4beta2" >> TODO
[12:55] <Dreamstar> what is supposed to do this?
[12:56] <jpatrick> the post-rm script?
[12:57] <jpatrick> update the ldconfig thing
[12:57] <Dreamstar> ah ok
[12:58] <Dreamstar> but it something i should do by myself or wait for a new release?
[12:58] <rody> hello
[12:59] <rody> ya qqun?
[12:59] <jpatrick> rody: hi
[01:00] <rody> slt jpatrick
[01:00] <rody> r u french?
[01:01] <jpatrick> no
[01:02] <rody> great
[01:04] <Dreamstar> ok i'll survive without amarok for a little ^^
[01:04] <jpatrick> reinstall it
[01:04] <Dreamstar> from ur repo?
[01:05] <noteventime> !replaygain
[01:05] <ubotu> noteventime: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:05] <jpatrick> any
[01:05] <noteventime> !mp3gain
[01:05] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[01:05] <noteventime> !vorbisgain
[01:05] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[01:05] <Dreamstar> it won't work from ur repo jpatrick :( i could only use the one from the kubuntu repo but has not the gstreamer so it won't work with streaming...
[01:06] <noteventime> Is there a package for replaygain?
[01:06] <noteventime> for mp3
[01:06] <noteventime> I don't feel like comverting my whole collection to vorbis ^^
[01:06] <Dreamstar> time for lunch now...see ya later!
[01:06] <noteventime> bye
[01:06] <jpatrick> same here
[01:07] <noteventime> bye
[01:07] <noteventime> :)
[01:08] <rysiek|pl> heya noteventie - managed to get your USplash look good? :)
[01:08] <rysiek|pl> heya noteventime - managed to get your USplash look good? :)
[01:09] <noteventime> Nope, I had to format and after that I forgot
[01:10] <noteventime> ^^ wb rysiek
[01:10] <rysiek|pl> format? like the HD? ouch
[01:11] <noteventime> yes, i did sudo chmod a=rwx -R -v / but i ment to do ./
[01:11] <noteventime> X)
[01:12] <noteventime> Not recommended
[01:12] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: no, not really :)
[01:14] <noteventime> What Kubuntu needs is builtin WPA support :P
[01:15] <jpatrick> noteventime: not sure but i think it's been discussed
[01:16] <klugez> it might get into dapper
[01:17] <noteventime> ok
[01:17] <noteventime> I had a hard time getting it to work at first
[01:18] <noteventime> Yay, I made all my root windows redish/pinkish
[01:18] <Jako> Hello, I'm running vanilla kubuntu on ppc. I've serious problem with Sounds server. Most does'nt works, artsd crash at startup, and if sometimes I'm able to listen something with Xine + OSS I can use only a program because It's been saying that other program is using the sound server.
[01:19] <noteventime> :/ Hmmm, which version?
[01:19] <Jako> noteventime, me?
[01:20] <noteventime> yes
[01:20] <Jako> breezy
[01:20] <noteventime> Sorry for not adressing
[01:20] <noteventime> ok
[01:20] <noteventime> Up-To-Date?
[01:20] <Jako> No :|
[01:20] <noteventime> Have you tried updating it?
[01:21] <Jako> I've been using a gprs connection, so before trying it I'd like to be sure :)
[01:21] <noteventime> ok :D
[01:21] <Jako> Do you think it could be usefull? Where can I find some logging about SS?
[01:22] <noteventime> SS?
[01:22] <Jako> Sound server :P
[01:22] <noteventime> ahh
[01:22] <noteventime> Sorry ^^
[01:23] <noteventime> maybe there is something in /var/log
[01:23] <Jako> By the way I have other problem usolved, System setting doesn't allow me to change in administrator mode, (dcopserver maybe).
[01:24] <noteventime> That was fixed in a later version, try using kcontrol
[01:24] <noteventime> System Settings was implemented way to early
[01:24] <Jako> Thanks.
[01:25] <noteventime> Kcontrol should work fine though
[01:26] <Jako> Do you know where those config modified by kcontrol are stored, I'd prefer to work with its "by hand"
[01:26] <noteventime> !mixing
[01:26] <ubotu> noteventime: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:26] <noteventime> Jako, depends
[01:26] <Jako> If is possible.
[01:26] <noteventime> Most are located in /etc i guess
[01:26] <noteventime> !etc
[01:26] <ubotu> noteventime: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:26] <noteventime> :P
[01:26] <noteventime> !softwaremixing
[01:26] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[01:26] <noteventime> !software mixing
[01:26] <ubotu> noteventime: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:26] <Jako> Because I'd like to copy my kde configuration on another box.
[01:26] <noteventime> haha
[01:27] <noteventime> try /etc/kde3/
[01:27] <DeBert> Hmmm, Amarok doesn't update the collection for files on nfs-mounts over here...
[01:27] <noteventime> i cant guarantee anything thugh
[01:28] <klugez> Jako: settings that can be edited with user permissions are somewhere under ~/.kde
[01:28] <noteventime> DeBart: Have you tried updating manually, eith tools->update?
[01:28] <DeBert> no, i'll try
[01:30] <DeBert> noteventime: It's working now thx, stupid that i didn't saw that option though... ;)
[01:31] <noteventime> np, :D
[01:31] <noteventime> Trust me, I've made worse
[01:31] <noteventime> Like when using mini-player in amaroK
[01:31] <noteventime> I didnt know how to get back to the large view XP
[01:32] <DeBert> lol, remember something like that happened to me ones to :)
[01:33] <slow-motion> bbl
[01:37] <nxv_> hi, i have a lot of trouble with firefox. freezes or suddenly terminates when loading a new page. i this a general problem. or is only my firefox installation unstable?
[01:37] <noteventime> Your is unstable ^^
[01:38] <nxv_> noteventime: do you think plugins like session saver might be the reason?
[01:42] <noteventime> nxv_: Dunno, might
[01:42] <Tonio_> anyone interested in testing knetworkmanager ?
[01:43] <noteventime> try running woithout them
[01:43] <Tonio_> testing packages out ;)
[01:43] <weedar> What does it do Tonio_ ?
[01:43] <cycus_zwisus> how to install gnome 2.14 on kubuntu 5.10?
[01:43] <Tonio_> weedar: it is a complete framework to manage wired and wireless connections ;)
[01:44] <Tonio_> weedar: and it has both a gnome and kde frontend
[01:44] <Tonio_> cycus_zwisus: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[01:44] <weedar> well I do have both a wired and a wireless connection
[01:44] <cycus_zwisus> Tonio_, gnome 2.14
[01:45] <Tonio_> cycus_zwisus: ah, on breezy ?
[01:45] <weedar> but I don't really have a need to change any network settings :/
[01:45] <Tonio_> well, I would say update to dapper ;)
[01:45] <noteventime> IMHO dapper is stable by now
[01:45] <Tonio_> weedar: the goal is to make the networkmanagement in 2 clicks on the desktop
[01:45] <Tonio_> but if you feel that's not a need, don't test
[01:46] <cycus_zwisus> i don't want to update, i'm happy with breezy
[01:46] <Tonio_> noteventime: yes ;) concerning kubuntu, dapper is WAY more stable than breezy
[01:46] <weedar> Tonio_, does it have a homepage so I could read up on it before I decide? :)
[01:46] <noteventime> Tonio_:Will knetworkmanager support WPA?
[01:46] <weedar> heh, noteventime stole my next question =)
[01:46] <Tonio_> weedar: networkmanager has, not knetworkmanager
[01:46] <Tonio_> svn stuff
[01:46] <Tonio_> noteventime: yes it does
[01:46] <noteventime> Cool
[01:46] <noteventime> I wanna try it
[01:46] <Tonio_> noteventime: using latest wpasupplicant I packaged also
[01:47] <noteventime> Tonio_: Is it in the repos?
[01:47] <Tonio_> noteventime: yes
[01:47] <Tonio_> noteventime: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[01:47] <egonw> anyone here encountered the 'Unlimited' problem in Konsole from KDE 3.5.1?
[01:47] <Tonio_> here it is
[01:47] <blackeagle> Hi
[01:48] <Tonio_> egonw: no idea, what is that bug ?
[01:48] <noteventime> thanks :D
[01:48] <blackeagle> can somebody help me to resize a LVM partition ?
[01:48] <egonw> for some reason Unlimited does not work...
[01:48] <egonw> i.e. each time I restart konsole it forgot about this unlimited history
[01:48] <Tonio_> noteventime: simply install knetworkmanager, dependancies are managed
[01:49] <noteventime> I love ubuntu, 250MB of updates a day
[01:49] <cycus_zwisus> sorry, i know it's kubuntu channel but i've got one question -> which packages are needed for basic gnome installation? (basic = without evolution, epiphany etc)
[01:49] <noteventime> And super fast mirrors
[01:50] <noteventime> Tonio_: Thanks :D
[01:50] <El_Chufla> Hi, friends!
[01:50] <noteventime> 'ello
[01:51] <El_Chufla> I'd like to post a question...
[01:51] <noteventime> !helpme
[01:51] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[01:51] <noteventime> :F
[01:51] <noteventime> El_Cgufla, Just ask ^^
[01:52] <noteventime> EL_Chufla*
[01:52] <El_Chufla> I've installed Kubuntu 5.10... when Dapper comes... how upgrade from one to other?
[01:52] <noteventime> Change all breezt to dapper in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:52] <noteventime> or in manage repositories in adept
[01:52] <noteventime> !dapper
[01:52] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake. Currently this is BETA software - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[01:52] <El_Chufla> F**k! So easy!? I'm a nerd
[01:53] <El_Chufla> Thanks
[01:53] <noteventime> Haha
[01:53] <noteventime> np
[01:53] <noteventime> then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:53] <El_Chufla> I'm going to write down
[01:54] <noteventime> El_Chufla: You can upgrade to dapper now
[01:54] <noteventime> I think it's stable
[01:55] <[Surge] > But be careful ... it may be a downgrade :)
[01:55] <noteventime> For me it's a lot more stable then breezy
[01:55] <El_Chufla> Well... Errr! I like to await until final releases
[01:55] <[Surge] > Have they sorted out that gamserver issue yet?
[01:56] <[Surge] > That thing is a pain - I have to disable it after every upgrade.
[01:56] <El_Chufla> Of course, an unstable Ubuntu release will ever be more stable than a Windows stable(?) release
[01:56] <noteventime> true
[01:56] <[Surge] > El_Chufla: Hell yeah!
[01:57] <El_Chufla> ...But, due to my job, i must use M$ W
[01:57] <noteventime> I "have" to use it in school
[01:58] <noteventime> but i run kubuntu anyway
[01:58] <[Surge] > My friends can't believe it when I tell them I only had two lock ups that required a reboot last year. Had a lot more this year but that's from bad video drivers from nVidia.
[01:58] <El_Chufla> I hope Mono be some day reliable enough to develop in both systems
[02:00] <bsm> hi, ideas anyone why kgpg does not show up in kde tray with dapper? it opens a new small window where the icon is shown
[02:08] <noteventime> Back
[02:08] <noteventime> 'ello
[02:08] <El_Chufla> Hi
[02:09] <noteventime> Is there any way to make kdevelop delay the hiding of panels?
[02:10] <noteventime> And id there some way to make kdevelop remeber that I want the panels to autohide
[02:12] <El_Chufla> .o0O( I have never used KDevelop... I must try )
[02:12] <noteventime> :)
[02:12] <noteventime> KDevelop is nice, although still there are some UI and debugger features missing
[02:14] <noteventime> knetworkmanager doesn't detect my NIC, maybe at next boot
[02:14] <noteventime> EL_Chufla: Don't use the one in the repos
[02:15] <noteventime> It has some bugs
[02:16] <El_Chufla> Directly from webpage?
[02:16] <noteventime> yes
[02:16] <noteventime> :/ at least i had some problems with the ubuntu version, although maybe someone fixed it
[02:16] <noteventime> !kdevelop
[02:16] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all
[02:17] <noteventime> 'ello
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:28] <egonw> Tonio_: I just found the bug report for the 'unlimited history' problem I had: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120046
[02:43] <sebastian> hey all
[02:43] <jpatrick> hey sebastian
[02:43] <sebastian> is there any way on linux to download songs from ipod to disk?
[02:44] <JakubS> noteventime: where did you find knetworkmanager?
[02:44] <noteventime> deb http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main
[02:45] <JakubS> thanks
[02:45] <noteventime> np
[02:45] <noteventime> Thank Tonio :D
[02:45] <JakubS> at last i will be free of evil nm-applet :-)
[02:46] <noteventime> Are you using WPA?
[02:46] <noteventime> There is a new version av wpaupplicant in that repo too
[02:46] <bam_> sebastian, mount it and transfer files
[02:46] <JakubS> noteventime: nope, i use open network
[02:47] <noteventime> ok
[02:47] <noteventime> sebastian: Use banshee
[02:47] <simian> i'm using kubuntu dapper, why can't I stream radio through amorok?
[02:47] <noteventime> Xine
[02:47] <noteventime> You can try using gstreamer instred
[02:48] <noteventime> Sebastian, I think bansee has built in support for ipod
[02:49] <JakubS> sebastian: amarok has ipod support since some time
[02:49] <sebastian> ok, cheers everyone
[02:49] <simian> under configure amorok>engine i only have xine listed
[02:49] <noteventime> simian: Which version of amaroK?
[02:50] <simian> 1.3.8
[02:50] <noteventime> ok
[02:50] <noteventime> install amarok-gstreamer
[02:50] <simian> ok
[02:50] <noteventime> Should work
[02:52] <simian> i found amorok-engines
[02:53] <erofee> hi all
[02:54] <noteventime> 'ello
[02:55] <noteventime> simian: amarok-gstreamer, if you can't find it you need another repo
[02:56] <simian> noteventime: i thought that i enabled all the repos
[02:56] <simian> noteventime: let me check
[02:57] <noteventime> simian: Its not an official repo
[02:57] <simian> noteventime: oh
[02:57] <noteventime> El_Chufla: You installed gstreamer, right?
[02:57] <jpatrick> noteventime, simian: because it was removed
[02:58] <simian> what repos could I add then?
[02:59] <simian> i just tried the amarok arts-engine and it crashed
[03:01] <KeNeDa_KUbuntu> Hi !
[03:01] <bert> Hi
[03:03] <KeNeDa_KUbuntu> anyone has installed Kubuntu with a Radeon X1400 mobility video card ?
[03:04] <eduardo> People, Can anyone tell me how can I play MP# in my new Kubuntu?
[03:04] <eduardo> *MP3
[03:04] <noteventime> instal gstreamer-mad
[03:04] <noteventime> !mp3
[03:04] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:05] <eduardo> notevetime, it is not in the Pakger Maneger
[03:05] <eduardo> *Manager
[03:06] <noteventime> Do you have breezy or dapper?
[03:06] <eduardo> Breezy
[03:06] <noteventime> !repositories
[03:06] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:06] <noteventime> Have you enabled them?
[03:07] <eduardo> no... I didnt know that... let me try.. thanks
[03:08] <noteventime> np
[03:10] <vikke> !nvidia
[03:10] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[03:12] <_mustard> whats the command to use kate to edit the /etc/fstab?
[03:12] <_mustard> kdesu kate /etc/fstab ?
[03:12] <l3m> yes
[03:12] <_mustard> I'm lost in kde :)
[03:13] <_mustard> thanks
[03:21] <eduardo> notevetime, It worked very well thanks a lot!
[03:22] <eduardo> !repositories
[03:22] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:22] <vikke> !ubotu
[03:22] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[03:22] <vikke> just had to try :P
[03:33] <zielony> Can somebody tell me if the xgl works on Breezy ?
[03:35] <weedar> Is it possible to set mplayer to always be on top? from the GUI, I mean =)
[03:44] <eduardo> People, my MP3s players are not working so well in Kubuntu like they does in another debian distro.... the music "jumps" quite often... does anybody herer has teh same problem?
[04:05] <erofee> hi all
[04:05] <erofee> have a newb question
[04:05] <sorush20_> what is up?
[04:06] <erofee> installed kubuntu today, just converted from winxp
[04:06] <dollar> hey guys.. just a question, when i log in to my user account and put my password, i got another window poppin up, sayind root login and askin the root password.. is it normal??
[04:06] <erofee> i have used adept to get a game
[04:07] <erofee> but i don't know how to find/run it
[04:09] <erofee> anyone have any ideas?
[04:09] <noteventime> dollar, probably some program needing root access
[04:09] <indrani> hi all
[04:09] <noteventime> erofee, what game?
[04:10] <erofee> ace-of-penguins
[04:10] <noteventime> ok,
[04:10] <noteventime> 1 min
[04:10] <noteventime> dollar, in the window asking for the password you should probably see what program is asking for root access
[04:11] <noteventime> erofee, try sudo locate -u <- this will take some time
[04:11] <noteventime> then locate ace-of-pengines
[04:11] <erofee> i'll give it a shot and let you know the results
[04:12] <dollar> ok thx man
[04:12] <noteventime> sure
[04:13] <erofee> noteventime, can you please explain what locate -u does?
[04:13] <jpatrick> erofee: man:/locate
[04:14] <noteventime> locate -u creates a database of your files
[04:14] <noteventime> Which you can search with locate
[04:14] <erofee> huh? (remembering that i have come from winxp to kubuntu only just today)
[04:14] <noteventime> locate -u updates the database
[04:14] <erofee> ok, that makes sense
[04:14] <noteventime> :)
[04:15] <erofee> so how often should i update the database?  or can i have it scheduled to be run once a week?
[04:16] <noteventime> You could, Mostly i update it when i know i need to search something I've addes since the last update
[04:16] <noteventime> takes a minute or two
[04:16] <erofee> yeap, still going...
[04:17] <noteventime> !prelink
[04:17] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[04:17] <noteventime> :/
[04:19] <erofee> ok, i have updated and located ace-of-penguins, a whole mess of directories and files came up in the shell
[04:20] <arafat> erofee: the binaries are located in /usr/games
[04:21] <erofee> i don't have anything in /usr/games, only /usr/share/doc
[04:21] <noteventime> I tried to see where ace-of-pengines installed itself but i didnt find anything in adep
[04:21] <noteventime> t
[04:22] <arafat> i just installed it... binaries are located in /usr/games
[04:22] <arafat> erofee: type dpkg -L ace-of-penguins
[04:22] <tsb> Greetings. I just installed Dapper.. I can't get amarok to play mp3 files, I should install "libxine-extracodecs" apparently, but I can't find them in the repositories (I've enabled all of them).
[04:24] <erofee> ok, now i have stuff in /usr/games
[04:24] <klugez> tsb: including multiverse?
[04:24] <erofee> sooo, how do i use them?
[04:24] <klugez> tsb: have you run sudo apt-get update?
[04:24] <arafat> erofee: just type in the name:-)
[04:24] <dollar> can i send a snapshot to one of u plz? it describes what's happening when i log in into my user account
[04:24] <tsb> klugez: right. "deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse"
[04:24] <tsb> klugez: way too many times, hehe
[04:25] <klugez> hmm, it *is* in multiverse
[04:25] <tsb> klugez: sec, I'll paste my complete sources.list
[04:26] <noteventime> !pastebin
[04:26] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[04:26] <Dean> Anyone ever heard of a strange error with laptop keyboards not registering some keypresses?
[04:26] <tsb> klugez: http://pastebin.com/610683
[04:27] <tsb> klugez: whoops, I think I double-pasted it.. It starts repeating at line 38
[04:28] <klugez> yeah, there seemed to be a bit of redundancy :)
[04:28] <klugez> tsb: i can't find any errors in it
[04:29] <klugez> though you have already specified main restricted and universe earlier, so on lines 26 and 27 they're not needed
[04:29] <klugez> i just confirmed that the package is there by downloading it, it is at least on the swedish mirror
[04:29] <klugez> and all mirrors should have the same packages
[04:29] <tsb> klugez: yeah, it's wierd.. http://pastebin.com/610690
[04:30] <tsb> which is it, i'll try adding it
[04:30] <klugez> tsb: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:31] <dollar> can i send a snapshot to one of u plz? it describes what's happening when i log in into my user account
[04:31] <noteventime> sure
[04:32] <noteventime> noteventime gmail.com
[04:33] <dollar> noteventime, accept man
[04:33] <noteventime> ?
[04:33] <tsb> klugez: okay, I tried but that didn't change anything... Look: http://pastebin.com/610699
[04:33] <noteventime> Have you mailed it?
[04:34] <dollar> no am sendin it over here X-Chat
[04:34] <klugez> tsb: i'm confused
[04:34] <klugez> Nouda:1 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse libxine-extracodecs 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2
[04:34] <noteventime> I don't get anything
[04:34] <noteventime> Mail it to me instead
[04:34] <klugez> (Nouda means Get)
[04:34] <tsb> klugez: I'm not as confused as I am annoyed :/
[04:35] <renato> in what language?
[04:35] <klugez> tsb: i downloaded it from there a couple of minutes ago
[04:35] <renato> lol
[04:35] <klugez> renato: finnish
[04:36] <tsb> klugez: it's the same thing with akode-mpeg by the way
[04:37] <klugez> i can only shrug and stare blankly..
[04:37] <tsb> :(
[04:38] <tsb> man, this is so annoying.. first it takes me a good while getting my monitors set up (I gave up trying to make my DVI the primary display), and now this.. ugh
[04:41] <lasindi[lappy] > Whenever I try to use "Administrator Mode" in the Control Center (or System Settings) all of the options are grayed out. Why is this?
[04:42] <noteventime> Are you using breezy?
[04:42] <noteventime> If you are try kcontrol instead
[04:44] <lasindi[lappy] > noteventime: Happens in kcontrol too.
[04:44] <lasindi[lappy] > Oh wait
[04:44] <lasindi[lappy] > Now it suddenly changed.
[04:44] <noteventime> Are you up-to-date with the version?
[04:44] <lasindi[lappy] > Why is it grayed out under system settings though?
[04:45] <lasindi[lappy] > Maybe not, this is a pretty fresh install
[04:45] <noteventime> System settings are bugged under breezy
[04:45] <lasindi[lappy] > I see
[04:45] <noteventime> Works bette in dapper
[04:45] <lasindi[lappy] > Dapper is due in May, right?
[04:49] <dollar> hey, when i log in i get a message sayin: Run as root - KDE su in which there's a command sayin: nautilus'-sm-config-prefix'  and asking me to put the root pasword... what is that? any idea?
[04:53] <renato> when Dapper does come out, do I have to reformat and install all over again or can I update easily?
[04:54] <Dasnipa`> i think you will be able to upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:54] <renato> or not so easily, but update anyway
[04:54] <renato> thanks!
[04:54] <IgKh> Upgrading to dapper seemed to break GStreamer sound
[04:55] <renato> my sound stinks with kubuntu
[04:55] <bobesponja> IgKh: it's working here
[04:55] <bobesponja> renato: what's the problem?
[04:56] <renato> well it doesn't play loud enough
[04:56] <IgKh>  <bobesponja>: With which playet?
[04:56] <renato> any
[04:56] <renato> but I gave up on that
[04:57] <IgKh> Strange. The Juk and AmaroK GStreamer support was removed in dapper
[04:57] <renato> one of the only reasons why I still have the double boot with XP
[04:57] <IgKh> There is no amarok-gstreamer package anymore
[04:57] <renato> I mean dual boot
[04:57] <renato> amarok can't even play mp3s
[04:57] <renato> or at least I get that
[04:59] <IgKh> In breezy installing gstreamer0.8-mad solved the MP3 problem, but after upgrading it stopped working
[04:59] <renato> so everyone big Unix/Linux users before kubuntu?
[04:59] <renato> oh, I see
[05:00] <renato> I gave up altogether
[05:00] <bobesponja> renato: amarok can read mp3s
[05:00] <renato> de donde sos?
[05:01] <bobesponja> renato: it's just that ubuntu chose not to install mp3 lib by default because this is illegal in the US and many countries around the world
[05:01] <IgKh> US media laws suck
[05:01] <bobesponja> renato: amarok use xine libs or gstreamer and those can read mp3s when it installed on your system
[05:02] <bobesponja> renato: I would advise using xine, it's much better than gstreamer
[05:02] <renato> thank you bobesponja
[05:02] <bobesponja> de nada renato
[05:03] <renato> de donde sos, by the way
[05:03] <vge> hmm, noob question, but why dont "localhost" work on mysql browser when asked where to connect?
[05:04] <IgKh> vge: did you give it the right user and password?
[05:04] <bobesponja> renato:  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:04] <vge> step back, new installation, im not eaven sure is mysql installed, brb :)
[05:04] <bobesponja> renato: paris, france
[05:05] <IgKh> then install mysql-server
[05:05] <bobesponja> renato: check this page to make kubuntu read every formats even wma and real player https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats :)
[05:05] <renato> bobesponja: I guessed argentinian, or columbian
[05:05] <renato> heh heh
[05:06] <renato> didn't work
[05:06] <bobesponja> renato: and you where are you from?
[05:06] <vge> !mysql
[05:06] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[05:06] <renato> Guatemala (not to be confused with guacamole)
[05:06] <bobesponja> renato: how's life over there?
[05:06] <bobesponja> I love guacamole
[05:07] <bobesponja> :)
[05:08] <renato> weather's beautiful, women are hot, politcs are... um... weather is beautiful
[05:09] <bobesponja> lol
[05:10] <renato> my internet signal keeps breaking
[05:12] <lsumnler> Little help - I have just installed Kubuntu.  I have install Firefox 1.0.7 what ever and I would like to install the current version of Firefox ?? How?
[05:15] <bobesponja> lsumnler: what version of kubuntu did you install?
[05:16] <lsumnler> Just downloades this morning so I assume the latest version breezy.
[05:17] <bobesponja> lsumnler: breezy comes with 1.0.7, there is no way to upgrade it
[05:18] <bobesponja> lsumnler: the only solution is to upgrade the whole system to dapper
[05:18] <bobesponja> lsumnler: or to download it from mozilla.com
[05:18] <_renato_> my breezy did not come with firefox
[05:18] <_renato_> i had to get it afterwards
[05:19] <lsumnler> Ok thanks for thise info.  Is dapper a stable version or beta?
[05:19] <bobesponja> _renato_:  yes kubuntu comes with konqueror cause it's supposed to support kde apps first
[05:19] <bobesponja> lsumnler: dapper is beta
[05:20] <lsumnler> Is this also true of ubuntu version
[05:20] <bobesponja> lsumnler: but it's going to be released in june, so it's not far away from stability
[05:20] <bobesponja> lsumnler: yes it's true for ubuntu version too
[05:20] <born3> hi
[05:20] <bobesponja> lsumnler: I use dapper every day on my laptop and it works just fine
[05:20] <bobesponja> hey born3
[05:21] <epinephrine> I use dapper here too, it's nice
[05:21] <born3> i ve dowloaded the new flight 5 cd.. but the new installer doesnt work at all.. i m trying it in vmware.. but even its gui is not finished.. is there any other way to install the live cd?
[05:21] <lsumnler> Thanks I will give that a try right now I'm only playing anyway to learn emacs, python, and maybe clisp.
[05:21] <_renato_> how does one update?
[05:22] <born3> shall i just copy the / to a new partition and install grub?
[05:22] <bobesponja> _renato_: in /etc/apt/sources.list , replace every occurence of breezy with unstable
[05:22] <bobesponja> _renato_:  and then do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:23] <_renato_> okay, thanks
[05:24] <bobesponja> _renato_: but be carefull, you might get some problems cause dapper is not stable yet
[05:24] <lsumnler> Thanks for the help.  I'm going
[05:24] <_renato_> will I lose any information, do I have to make backups?
[05:25] <born3> PLS could someone help?
[05:25] <andrewski> _renato_: i just dist-upgraded yesterday and have only been having minor issues.  you don't need to backup, and you shouldn't lose any information, though maybe backing up ~/.* might be a good idea.
[05:25] <bobesponja> _renato_: you won't lose any information but maybe the update will break in the middle and you'll need to force some package installation
[05:25] <bobesponja> _robert_: tell me if you get any problem
[05:26] <_renato_> I'll wait for the stable, I think
[05:26] <bobesponja> _renato_: yes, it's wiser :)
[05:26] <bobesponja> born3: what are you trying to do?
[05:26] <bobesponja> _renato_: see #kubuntu-ess too
[05:26] <bobesponja> #kubuntu-es
[05:26] <andrewski> born3: i think you want to ask in #ubuntu+1.
[05:26] <_renato_> makes sense
[05:26] <_renato_> lol
[05:27] <bobesponja> _renato_: but there are many newbies in #kubuntu-es
[05:27] <bobesponja> sometimes hay mas newbies q usuarios experimentados :)
[05:28] <bobesponja> _renato_: this is why I'm here
[05:28] <_renato_> but you are usuario experimentado
[05:28] <_renato_> ha ha
[05:28] <jpatrick> bobesponja: many newbie's? what?
[05:28] <bobesponja> lol
[05:28] <born3> bobesponja: i m trying to install kubuntu live cd on a vmware disk..
[05:28] <bobesponja> just kidding alwrite
[05:29] <bobesponja> born3: I don't use vmware sorry
[05:29] <_renato_> so, everyone here big unix/linux users before kubuntu?
[05:30] <andrewski> i've used mandrake, gentoo, and arch also.
[05:30] <bobesponja> _renato_: I've used linux since 2000, that's six years!
[05:31] <bobesponja> mandrake, debian, gentoo, debian, kubuntu
[05:31] <andrewski> would anyone mind looking for kubuntu.png and checking to see which package owns it ('dpkg -S /path/to/kubuntu.png')?
[05:31] <Chousuke> I can't remember when I started using Linux
[05:32] <andrewski> Chousuke: probably too long then. :-P
[05:32] <Chousuke> nah
[05:32] <_renato_> nice
[05:32] <Chousuke> I just never pay attention to dates.
[05:32] <xxenon> andrewski :
[05:32] <Chousuke> or even years.
[05:32] <xxenon> apt-file search kubuntu.png
[05:32] <xxenon>   > knetworkconf: usr/share/apps/knetworkconf/pixmaps/kubuntu.png
[05:32] <_renato_> I am a newbie, still holding on to the dual boot
[05:32] <Chousuke> I think I've been without windows for three years already at least.
[05:32] <andrewski> xxenon: that ain't it.  i'm thinking of the default background used in breezy.
[05:32] <_renato_> but I came here for several reasons, some philosophical and some technical
[05:33] <Chousuke> Started with Debian, and I've never left that camp. :P
[05:33] <bobesponja> _renato_: I got rid of dual booting 3 years ago, I think the fact that I don't like games helped me a lot :)
[05:33] <klugez> _renato_: holding on to dual booting does not make you a newbie
[05:34] <_renato_> I have lots of work in excel, that's probably the main reason
[05:34] <jafn> hello good to hear that dual booting doesnt make me a newbie, though I most definately AM a newbie
[05:34] <born3> i dont understand how the devs release such an unfinished app.. thats mad
[05:34] <andrewski> born3: dapper is not yet released.
[05:34] <bobesponja> born3: dapper is unfinished, tha'ts why it's beta
[05:35] <jafn> I actually was wondering if someone might be able to tell me how change my GRUB listing so that I can make XP my default load instead of Kubuntu?
[05:35] <slow-motion> re
[05:35] <_renato_> I thought of that too
[05:35] <bobesponja> born3: by the way, vmware is the biggest piece of bloatware I've ever seen, better get rid of it
[05:35] <Chousuke> I dislike dualbooting
[05:35] <andrewski> jafn: sure.  you comfortable with a terminal and editing a file?
[05:35] <jafn> I assume its not to change device.map listing?
[05:35] <jafn> Im fairly comfy :)
[05:36] <Chousuke> I might run windows in a virtual machine, if that was feasible :P
[05:36] <klugez> jafn: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:36] <klugez> that file is pretty well commented
[05:36] <bobesponja> Chousuke: what windows app do you still need?
[05:36] <klugez> and see man pages too
[05:36] <jafn> ahhh ok I was looking at that file too..
[05:36] <andrewski> jafn: just open /boot/grub/menu.lst (with sudo, of course) and change 'default 0' to the number of your XP listing.
[05:36] <jafn> ok, thank you
[05:36] <simian> when you are ripping CD's, what is the difference between 'catagory' and 'genre'?
[05:36] <Chousuke> bobesponja: there are none I especially _need_
[05:36] <Chousuke> bobesponja: just some I would like to use.
[05:36] <jafn> you do have to Sudo that though? Its a sys protected file?
[05:37] <andrewski> jafn: yes
[05:37] <jafn> ok thank you
[05:37] <Chousuke> bobesponja: and if I could run windows in a VM, that would be the optimal solution for me.
[05:37] <jafn> I just wanted some confirmation before I really screwed it all up :D
[05:37] <bobesponja> Chousuke: actually when you have a windows partition, you can use it with wine
[05:37] <Chousuke> bobesponja: I know.
[05:37] <andrewski> you'll be alright, jafn. :)
[05:37] <bobesponja> me think
[05:38] <_renato_> what about wine?
[05:38] <andrewski> would someone mind looking for the default background kubuntu.png (e.g. 'locate kubuntu.png') and checking to see which package owns it ('dpkg -S /path/to/kubuntu.png')?
[05:38] <andrewski> _renato_: no thanks; it's a bit early here... and it's sunday.
[05:38] <Chousuke> Then again, I've been without windows for three years already.
[05:38] <_renato_> heh heh
[05:39] <Chousuke> But I'm all for convenience.
[05:39] <Chousuke> so being able to run windows and windows apps when I want would be fantastic.
[05:39] <born3> bobesponja: if an app has even not the core features.. its not beta.. its not alpha either..
[05:39] <Chousuke> I just won't accept dual booting.
[05:39] <andrewski> Chousuke: right with ya.
[05:39] <bobesponja> andrewski: what's the problem, here in france we drink wine at breakfist with the cornflakes and all
[05:39] <bobesponja> no milk
[05:39] <andrewski> bobesponja: you're joking, right?
[05:39] <Chousuke> wine? with cereal?
[05:40] <Chousuke> err.
[05:40] <_renato_> ha  ha
[05:40] <andrewski> i can see drinking it with breakfast, but on cereal?
[05:40] <born3> bobesponja: and if you kno any alternatives to vmware dont hesitate to call me
[05:40] <bobesponja> seriously, who needs milk when you have the finest bordeaux at hand?
[05:40] <andrewski> lol
[05:40] <_renato_> or the cheapest too
[05:40] <Chousuke> bobesponja: wine doesn't contain calcium
[05:40] <bobesponja> born3: Xen but you need to buy a dual core intel chip, good luck :)
[05:41] <spiritz> What is the equivalent to kpager in gnome?
[05:41] <andrewski> bobesponja, born3: a second hard drive would be cheaper. ;)
[05:41] <andrewski> spiritz: what's kpager do?
[05:41] <_renato_> it pages?
[05:41] <bobesponja> spiritz: ask in #ubuntu or #gnome
[05:41] <tzanger> what in the world is the default kubuntu 5.1 root password??
[05:41] <bobesponja> tzanger: sudo
[05:42] <tzanger> for some reason it sees my wireless card and I can tell it to enable (use dhcp) and it gets a green checkmark but then immediately disables again
[05:42] <bobesponja> tzanger: there is no root user in kubuntu
[05:42] <_renato_> you specified that and if you don't remember
[05:42] <tzanger> hmm ok so I just sudo whatever I need as root?
[05:42] <bobesponja> tzanger: you need "sudo <your command>"
[05:42] <tzanger> _renato_: no I didn't specify a root password,
[05:42] <spiritz> andrewski: kpager is the little app that shows the content of your other desktop
[05:42] <_renato_> well you probably know best
[05:42] <tzanger> bobesponja: yeah I'm an old slackware guy I understand the technical details I'm just getting tripped up on the kubuntu specifics :-)
[05:42] <simian> when you are ripping CD's, what is the difference between 'catagory' and 'genre'?
[05:43] <_renato_> I had to format and re-install
[05:43] <_renato_> I'm not too comp savvy though
[05:43] <bobesponja> tzanger: there is a way to use root in kubuntu but people don't like to advertise it
[05:43] <bobesponja> tzanger: (it's "sudo su") but don't tell it to others) :)
[05:43] <tzanger> ok so if I just want a root shell I just sudo sh
[05:43] <Chousuke> bobesponja: sudo -i
[05:43] <tzanger> hahha
[05:43] <andrewski> spiritz:
[05:44] <andrewski> spiritz: as far as i know, there isn't one...
[05:44] <Chousuke> tzanger: just use sudo -i or sudo -s
[05:44] <born3> bobesponja: so Xen is not alternative for personal use .. am i right? its not all about trollin
[05:44] <tzanger> it installed really nice but the wifi not coming up (atheros abg card) has me back in my slackware system :-)
[05:44] <tzanger> Chousuke: ok
[05:44] <spiritz> andrewski: no I'm sure there is one, I just don't know what's its name :)
[05:44] <tzanger> thanks bobesponja and Chousuke
[05:44] <_renato_> sudo ku
[05:44] <Chousuke> you can use root all you want in (K)Ubuntu.
[05:44] <_renato_> :)
[05:44] <Chousuke> just don't enable root login :
[05:44] <andrewski> spiritz: there's the workspace switcher applet, but it doesn't show the contents.
[05:44] <bobesponja> tzanger: you can boot windows with Xen, but it only works with new dual chips
[05:44] <andrewski> spiritz: ...just the window shape.
[05:44] <tzanger> bobesponja: yeah I know, but I'm not in windows
[05:44] <tzanger> I have several Xen systems
[05:45] <spiritz> andrewski: Ok this one is fine :) What's its name?
[05:45] <bobesponja> born3: http://news.com.com/Xen+passes+Windows+milestone/2100-7344_3-5842265.html
[05:45] <andrewski> spiritz: it's an applet.  let's talk in #ubuntu
[05:45] <tristan_> hello
[05:46] <bobesponja> tzanger: I meant born3
[05:46] <born3> bobesponja: i kno xen.. you could also recommend qemu, UML or whatever.. but best practise is vmware .
[05:46] <tristan_> Is there anyway to have completely different desktop in KDE. I mean that the files apperaing on desktop 1 don't appear on desktop 2 and files appearing on desktopn 2 don't appear on desktop 1 for example?
[05:47] <_renato_> what files?
[05:47] <bobesponja> born3: best practice is free software, use Xen :)
[05:47] <Chousuke> xen should be faster thant VMware.
[05:47] <Chousuke> than*
[05:49] <born3> bobesponja: not the license makes software standard or best practise.. how do i boot an iso with Xen?
[05:49] <Chousuke> born3: go read the manual? :D
[05:50] <bobesponja> born3: yep, this is #kubuntu
[05:51] <born3> so is there a way to install kubuntu flight 5 live cd?
[05:52] <bobesponja> born3: yes, just boot it
[05:52] <Chousuke> Can you install from the live cd already?
[05:52] <Chousuke> without tricks I mean
[05:52] <bobesponja> Chousuke: yes but it's very unstable
[05:52] <born3> bobesponja: its done i m right now usin the live cd..
[05:52] <bobesponja> born3: but don't do it with the live cd
[05:53] <Chousuke> Debian is installable from almost anything if you know what you're doing :P
[05:53] <bobesponja> born3: when you boot, chose the option to install without booting the live cd
[05:53] <bobesponja> born3: I think you need to press F3 or F2 and iit shows the options to install directly from boot
[05:53] <born3> bobesponja: ok i see.. the installer in live cd is not finished.. if u boot and look into it u ll see.. even the GUI isnt finished
[05:54] <bobesponja> born3: yes I know it on the blog of the dev
[05:55] <bobesponja> born3: it's called expresso or something like that
[05:55] <born3> bobesponja: such things are unprofessional.. i mean having unstable/beta  software in flight cds is ok.. but this is "stupid"
[05:55] <lasindi[lappy] > _renato_: Okay, I've upgraded to the latest versions of Breezy, but the File Sharing section still is grayed out in Administrator Mode, even with kcontrol. What can I do to fix this?
[05:55] <born3> bobesponja: yeah exactly -> espresso kde-ui gives
[05:56] <born3> anyway i try it again thx
[05:56] <Dr_House> can anyone help me? i'm trying to install kubuntu breezy 5.10 .. i got to a command prompt where i logged in and typed startx . it gave me a fatal server error and a fatal IO error and i'ms tuck now
[05:57] <rysiek|pl> hi there guys
[05:57] <_renato_> I don't have a clue, sorry, but I would appreciate if you told me how to do that where you put my name at the beginning and change the font color
[05:57] <rysiek|pl> managed to get WakeOnLan working, finally ^_^, BUT had to use the nVidia's driver module for it.
[05:57] <noteventime> Dr_House: Port the log
[05:58] <noteventime> post*
[05:58] <noteventime> !patebin
[05:58] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[05:58] <noteventime> !patsebin
[05:58] <ubotu> noteventime: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:58] <rysiek|pl> and hence the question: now I get BOTH nvnet and forcedeth loaded upon booting - how/where can I configure  the network iface to use (and load) only nvnet module?
[05:58] <noteventime> !pastebin
[05:58] <lasindi[lappy] > _renato_: you mean I'm sending you colored text?
[05:58] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[05:59] <_renato_> yes
[05:59] <rysiek|pl> I'll repeat, it got lost between pastebins ;)
[05:59] <rysiek|pl> now I get BOTH nvnet and forcedeth loaded upon booting - how/where can I configure  the network iface to use (and load) only nvnet module?
[05:59] <_renato_> I always get my kanas mixed up
[05:59] <lasindi[lappy] > _renato_: but it's only colored if your name is at the beginning?
[05:59] <lasindi[lappy] > so this isn't colored?
[06:00] <_renato_> exactly
[06:00] <_renato_> and you do that how?
[06:00] <lasindi[lappy] > I think that's probably something your client is doing, not something I'm doing -- though I have my client to highlight and beep loudly if someone says my name too.
[06:00] <lasindi[lappy] > What client are you using?
[06:01] <_renato_> konversation
[06:01] <lasindi[lappy] > Same here
[06:01] <_renato_> yours beeps loudly
[06:01] <lasindi[lappy] > Go to Settings and then Highlighting
[06:02] <lasindi[lappy] > Yes, if configure the Notifications, I set "nick in channel message" to "KDE_Beep_Harsh.ogg"
[06:04] <_renato_> _renato_
[06:05] <leeghoofd> _renato_: it only works if someone else talks to you <-- like I do now :)
[06:08] <Dr_House> noteventime .. where do i find the log?
[06:08] <Dr_House> it shows me the path name, but how do i get to it? i dont have any other OS installed on there
[06:08] <noteventime> Try startx > log 2> error
[06:09] <noteventime> There might be a log in /var/logs
[06:09] <Dr_House> i still get to the same errors after doing that
[06:09] <noteventime> yes but now you have to log files
[06:09] <noteventime> in the same dir you started X
[06:10] <noteventime> one called log and one called error
[06:10] <Dr_House> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610878
[06:10] <Dr_House> but how do i access that log?
[06:11] <noteventime> cat error
[06:11] <noteventime> cat log
[06:11] <Dr_House> that's not doing anything
[06:11] <rysiek|pl> question timed out; retrying: now I get BOTH nvnet and forcedeth loaded upon booting - how/where can I configure  the network iface to use (and load) only nvnet module?
[06:12] <noteventime> hmmm
[06:12] <noteventime> Anyone, where is the error log X creates?
[06:12] <Dr_House> fatal server error: no screens found .... it doesn't like my monitor?
[06:13] <noteventime> Can you take a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:13] <Dr_House> how?
[06:13] <noteventime> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:13] <Dr_House> ok, i seem to be there
[06:14] <noteventime> find Section "Device"
[06:15] <Dr_House> got it
[06:15] <noteventime> What is the driver?
[06:15] <Dr_House> "ati"
[06:15] <noteventime> And you have a ati card?
[06:15] <Dr_House> yeah, x800xl
[06:15] <noteventime> ok
[06:16] <_renato_> is there a channel for R?
[06:16] <noteventime> R?
[06:16] <Dr_House> i was confused on BusID .. i just left the default .. "PCI:5:0:0"
[06:16] <tristan_> Is there anyway to have completely different desktop in KDE. I mean that the files apperaing on desktop 1 don't appear on desktop 2 and files appearing on desktopn 2 don't appear on desktop 1 for example?
[06:16] <_renato_> R statistical computing and graphics
[06:17] <noteventime> probably right, hmm, i think " fatal server error: no screens found ..." depends on something esle
[06:17] <_renato_> language based on S
[06:17] <noteventime> ok
[06:18] <Dr_House> my monitor's native res is 1680x1050 .. but that's not listed in any of the MODES in section SCREEN .. that ok?
[06:18] <noteventime> ahh, try nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:18] <noteventime> Dr_House, as long as there is some resolution your monitor can display
[06:19] <Dr_House> ah ok
[06:19] <Dr_House> alright, i'm there
[06:19] <noteventime> Do you find any other errors?
[06:19] <noteventime> Try to fins somethiing that could cause the problem
[06:19] <noteventime> in the log
[06:21] <Dr_House> (WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 5:0:0 could not be detected!
[06:21] <rysiek|pl> question timed out; retrying: now I get BOTH nvnet and forcedeth loaded upon booting - how/where can I configure  the network iface to use (and load) only nvnet module?
[06:21] <Dr_House> (WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 5:0:0 could will not be enabled because it conflicts with another non-video PCI device
[06:21] <noteventime> ok
[06:22] <Dr_House> i have the vid card plugged in via PCI-E
[06:22] <noteventime> hmm
[06:22] <noteventime> lspci
[06:22] <eduardo> Does anybody here knows how to improve the MP3 player? Here the songs "jump" a litle bt quite often...
[06:22] <noteventime> try to find what other device is causing the problem
[06:22] <eduardo> and its not hardware problem
[06:23] <eduardo> and it could be...
[06:23] <noteventime> eduardo, What engine are you using?
[06:23] <eduardo> Kmix
[06:23] <Dr_House> hah, wow .. there's a ton of "unknown device" messages
[06:23] <eduardo> amrok and kaffeine
[06:23] <eduardo> really?
[06:23] <noteventime> xine or gstreamer?
[06:23] <eduardo> gstreamer
[06:23] <noteventime> ok
[06:23] <eduardo> i think
[06:23] <eduardo> not sure
[06:23] <noteventime> you could try xine
[06:24] <Dr_House> noteventime, i'll just take a picture of the screen for you .. .too much stuff for me to type out
[06:24] <eduardo> there is the package?
[06:24] <noteventime> ok
[06:24] <eduardo> *is there
[06:24] <noteventime> yes
[06:24] <noteventime> amarok-xone
[06:24] <noteventime> amarok-xine
[06:24] <noteventime> and kaffeine-xine
[06:25] <noteventime> Dr_House sure
[06:26] <eduardo> xine is alredy working.... no good...
[06:26] <noteventime> ?
[06:26] <noteventime> Is xine already running?
[06:27] <eduardo> yes
[06:27] <eduardo> I don't understand...
[06:27] <eduardo> weird
[06:29] <eduardo> and the music keeps "jumping".... strange coz in others Debian distros, even using Kmix, the is no problem...
[06:29] <eduardo> *there
[06:30] <Pyrobob> whenever i try running wine, I get this message:
[06:30] <Pyrobob> wine: chdir to /home/tony/.cvswinex/wineserver-ubuntu : No such file or directory
[06:30] <noteventime> hmm, have you tried playing it in mplayer
[06:30] <eduardo> not yet....
[06:30] <Pyrobob> how do I fix that?
[06:30] <noteventime> Have you tried to install winex? (old cedega)
[06:30] <Dr_House> noteventime  http://rapidshare.de/files/15908607/P1010276.JPG.html
[06:30] <Pyrobob> yeah
[06:31] <Pyrobob> and I think I tried isntallind cvswinex
[06:31] <Pyrobob> nit sure
[06:31] <Pyrobob> not*
[06:31] <Pyrobob> was really tired last night lol
[06:31] <noteventime> Wine tries to use it
[06:31] <Pyrobob> might have done somthing wrong
[06:31] <eduardo> notevetime,will do some test here... thanks for teh help... By the way, are you Brazilian?
[06:31] <Pyrobob> so, do I remove winex?
[06:32] <noteventime> remove winex
[06:32] <noteventime> then try again
[06:32] <noteventime> eduardo: No I'm from sweden :)
[06:33] <noteventime> Dr_House, this is wierd
[06:33] <Dr_House> lol
[06:34] <Pyrobob> .... im not seing anything saying I Have winex installed... but under the K menu, I got cedega?
[06:34] <Pyrobob> wtf?
[06:34] <Pyrobob> nothing saying i have cedega installed either
[06:35] <Dr_House> what do you make of it? seems that linux doesn't like my entire motherboard
[06:35] <vikke> !mp3
[06:35] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:35] <noteventime> Sounds like linux doesn't like you :/
[06:35] <Dr_House> lol
[06:35] <noteventime> vikke: Viktor?
[06:35] <noteventime> hmmm
[06:35] <vikke> noteventime: hoyt
[06:36] <noteventime> Dr_House: Are you running dapper?
[06:36] <Dr_House> this is breezy
[06:36] <Dr_House> dapper would give me different problems altogether
[06:37] <Dr_House> dapper ... while i'm installing, about 65% of copying base files, my monitor would go into standby and there would be nothign i could do
[06:37] <noteventime> Dr_House, maybe try another driver
[06:37] <noteventime> try vesa
[06:37] <noteventime> instead of ati in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:39] <noteventime> Dr_House, what is he name of the mobo?
[06:39] <Dr_House> it's an msi k8n neo 4 platinum
[06:40] <noteventime> ok
[06:40] <Dr_House> i changed driver to vesa .. now write out?
[06:40] <tomas_> hello noteventime :P
[06:40] <tomas_> ;)
[06:40] <noteventime> hejsan
[06:40] <noteventime> sure
[06:41] <Dr_House> er, error writing .. permission denied
[06:41] <tomas_> Dr_House: maybe im stupid but from your screenshot it looks like your mobo is a nforce one
[06:41] <noteventime> sudo
[06:41] <Dr_House> tomas, it is nforce
[06:42] <Dr_House> oh cool
[06:42] <tomas_> probably i will just mess it up
[06:42] <tomas_> whats the name of your graphics card Dr_House?
[06:42] <Dr_House> lol
[06:42] <Dr_House> ok, i wrote in vesa and saved
[06:42] <Dr_House> tomas, it's an ati x800 xl
[06:42] <Dr_House> oh cool ...!
[06:42] <Dr_House> startx made it start up
[06:43] <noteventime> ?
[06:43] <vikke> noteventime: you on kopete? havin some probs :)
[06:43] <Dr_House> awesome .. i'm at the "desktop" now
[06:43] <noteventime> sure
[06:43] <noteventime> Next step
[06:43] <noteventime> Try to reboot the computer
[06:43] <tomas_> maybe you should try to install the newest drivers
[06:43] <tomas_> ati
[06:43] <tomas_> or maybe im wrong :P
[06:43] <noteventime> Get the closed source drivers
[06:44] <noteventime> They work better
[06:44] <Kyral> whee clean reinstall
[06:44] <noteventime> Dr_House: Reboot
[06:44] <Dr_House> noteventime, i'm rebooting
[06:44] <noteventime> Good
[06:45] <noteventime> Dr_House, getting the login screen?
[06:45] <Dr_House> not yet
[06:45] <Dr_House> it's setting up stuff and checking stuff, etc
[06:45] <noteventime> Good
[06:45] <tomas_> noteventime: do you think he has a 100 ghz computer :p
[06:45] <Dr_House> why does it have to do this again
[06:45] <tomas_> ?
[06:45] <Dr_House> ok, i'm at login
[06:45] <tomas_> ^^
[06:45] <Dr_House> lmfao toma
[06:46] <Dr_House> ok, i logged in
[06:46] <Dr_House> to get drivers .. sudo apt-get ______ ?
[06:46] <noteventime> !ati
[06:46] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[06:46] <noteventime> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:47] <tomas_> noteventime: won't the deb packages do fine?
[06:47] <noteventime> Better get the apt
[06:47] <noteventime> debs are binary
[06:47] <tomas_> yes?
[06:48] <tomas_> apt-get install fglrx
[06:48] <tomas_> or whatever the ati driver is called
[06:48] <Dr_House> so just follow instructions on that page you just gave me?
[06:48] <noteventime> yes
[06:48] <Dr_House> alrighty
[06:48] <noteventime> Hope these work better
[06:48] <Dr_House> how do i get to the command prompt?
[06:49] <noteventime> Start konsole?
[06:49] <jtshaw> are the networking tools setup for wpa_supplicant?
[06:49] <noteventime> Dr_House: Just so I know, what linux experience do you have?
[06:50] <noteventime> jtshaw: Which?
[06:50] <Dr_House> noteventime, lol none .. i'm just starting out
[06:50] <noteventime> Ok, Cool ^^
[06:50] <noteventime> Welcome to the light side of the force
[06:50] <Dr_House> lol
[06:50] <Kyral> anyone know how to get XGL working in KDE?
[06:50] <noteventime> Yes
[06:51] <noteventime> !xgl
[06:51] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[06:51] <jtshaw> neteventime: There is a program called wpa_supplicant that does all sorts of WPA authentication for wireless and supports profiles and priority and whatnot.. I was wondering if the networking config tools use it
[06:51] <tomas_> !freebeer
[06:51] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tomas_
[06:51] <tomas_> :/
[06:51] <noteventime> just use startkde insted of gnome-session
[06:51] <Kyral> ah
[06:51] <Dr_House> noteventime i'm running these commands but nothign is happening that i can see
[06:51] <Kyral> ty
[06:51] <noteventime> Dr_House
[06:51] <noteventime> I'll guide you
[06:51] <Dr_House> thank you
[06:51] <noteventime> Are you registered?
[06:51] <Dr_House> yes
[06:51] <noteventime> in freenode
[06:52] <noteventime> Then well start private
[06:52] <Dr_House> alrighty, cool
[06:52] <noteventime> !nvidia
[06:52] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[06:53] <Kyral> hmm
[06:53] <Kyral> the step with gnome-window-decorator
[06:53] <Kyral> leave it out for KDE?
[06:53] <noteventime> nope, need that one
[06:54] <Kyral> won't that....?
[06:54] <noteventime> You can use gnome-window-decorator in kde
[06:54] <Kyral> won't that use GNOME decos?
[06:56] <noteventime> Kyral, yes, but you habe no choice if you want decos in compiz
[07:00] <Kyral> well that didn't work
[07:00] <Kyral> KDM wouldn't log me in
[07:00] <noteventime> ?
[07:00] <RedHerring|away> XGL wont work with KDM
[07:01] <RedHerring|away> only GDM
[07:01] <RedHerring|away> (my observation)
[07:01] <RedHerring|away> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:01] <RedHerring|away> select gdm
[07:13] <MidnightDevil> hi
[07:13] <MidnightDevil> where can i find a link for recent sources to add to apt-get?
[07:15] <noteventime> !multiverse
[07:15] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:15] <nalioth> MidnightDevil: you shouldn't use outside sources
[07:15] <MidnightDevil> which one do u recommend me to use nalioth  ?
[07:16] <nalioth> universe and multiverse are good, with them you'll have over 17,000 pkgs to choose from
[07:17] <Pyrobob> im getting pissed at my wine
[07:18] <Pyrobob> can't find where winex is, nor wine CVS and it keeps saying: wine: error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:20] <munzir> Hi, applications like firefox, synaptic has a different/ugly look when I boot in kubuntu than when I boot in ubuntu. Why is this please?
[07:21] <noteventime> !gtk
[07:21] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[07:21] <noteventime> Hmmm
[07:21] <noteventime> Its because they aren't written in QT, some engines don't like that
[07:21] <noteventime> try installing klearlooks
[07:23] <Pyrobob> is there a command to remove applications not installed with adept?
[07:23] <Pyrobob> ex. cvswinex
[07:23] <munzir> noteventime: but I thought that GTK apps work properly from kde, no?
[07:23] <noteventime> They should
[07:24] <noteventime> I have problems with them in some themes
[07:24] <noteventime> Dunno why though
[07:24] <Pyrobob> ....
[07:25] <Pyrobob> um... take that as no one knows?
[07:26] <vikke_> !skim
[07:26] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, vikke_
[07:28] <nalioth> Pyrobob: if you still have the build directory, perhaps there is a "make uninstall" script
[07:30] <noteventime> !ati
[07:30] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[07:31] <Pyrobob> if I can find it I'll try that.
[07:31] <Pyrobob> what if I don't have it?
[07:33] <nalioth> Pyrobob: then it's hunt and search time
[07:33] <Pyrobob> lol
[07:33] <Pyrobob> there's not a make uninstall
[07:33] <Pyrobob> that i can see, anyway
[07:34] <simian> i'm using dapper and i can't launch adapt or adapt update from the kmenu only from the command line...any thoughts
[07:34] <nalioth> so "sudo make uninstall" doesnt do anything, Pyrobob
[07:34] <Pyrobob> didn't try that when I was replying
[07:34] <Pyrobob> just said I "didn't see a make uninstall" file
[07:34] <Pyrobob> was logging in as root when you replied
[07:34] <Pyrobob> lol
[07:34] <Pyrobob> and it works
[07:35] <Pyrobob> well, its uninstalling. hope it fixes my problem
[07:35] <claire> My girlfriend turned off my Kubuntu box at the mains. >.<
[07:35] <simian> lol
[07:35] <Red_Herring> lol
[07:35] <claire> We were both logged into KDE at the time. Now, she can still log in, but I can't start X
[07:35] <Pyrobob> lol
[07:35] <claire> Any tips?
[07:36] <claire> I've already deleted /tmp/* whilst in 'init 1'
[07:36] <Pyrobob> that sucks
[07:36] <Pyrobob> hhmmm,,,
[07:36] <claire> yah, sucks kinda. I have to post on IRC as her too :D
[07:36] <Pyrobob> when I can't load X, I just re-boot until it happens 2 or 3 times
[07:36] <claire> lol. I've tried powering off twice. Perhaps next time is the charm
[07:36] <l3m> claire: you should probably check the logs for errormessages when trying to log in anew
[07:37] <Pyrobob> 3 times the charm
[07:37] <l3m> claire: rebooting won't help, this is not windows
[07:37] <Red_Herring> :-D
[07:37] <claire> Well, I can look /var/log/Xorg.0.log     - the file ends with a string of:
[07:38] <tomplast_away> noteventime: do you know how to change the permissions for devices during bootup? evertime i want to use my sony handycam i need to write chmod a+rw or something like that
[07:38] <claire> "Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0"
[07:38] <Pyrobob> would crossover office do anything to effect wine? or does that just use wine to run applications?
[07:38] <_magus> Is it possible to remove the cd-rom icon from the desktop without actually unmounting the drive?
[07:38] <claire> tomplast_away: look in /etc/udev/rules.d
[07:38] <l3m> claire: paste the last few lines into the pastebin
[07:39] <simian> i'm using dapper and i can't launch adapt or adapt update from the kmenu only from the command line...any thoughts
[07:39] <claire> l3m: sorry: What's the pastebin? (using Konversation)
[07:39] <Red_Herring> !pastebin
[07:39] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[07:40] <l3m> alternatively kubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:40] <tomplast_away> claire: thanks but what am i looking for :S, i want to change the permission for /dev/raw1394 at bootup
[07:41] <tomplast_away> set it
[07:41] <tomplast_away> ah
[07:41] <tomplast_away> i see it
[07:41] <tomplast_away> thanks claire :)
[07:44] <claire> l3m: Here's my /var/log/Xorg.0.log : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10509
[07:46] <claire> It's odd that one user can startx fine, and the other has these "Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority" errors
[07:47] <l3m> claire: these warning things are not the problem
[07:47] <noteventime> tomplast: Try to ad chmod a+x to .profile_bash of whatever the file is called
[07:47] <noteventime> in you rhome folder
[07:47] <slow-motion> if i remember it correct. warning was only a reminder. critical will be a problem
[07:48] <Red_Herring> warning is a problem
[07:48] <Red_Herring> wait, no, error is hte problem
[07:48] <Red_Herring> warning is just that, a waarning
[07:48] <l3m> claire: you're paste seems to be ok
[07:48] <slow-motion> yes, that was it what i mean
[07:48] <l3m> claire: what happens if you try to login using idm=
[07:48] <l3m> kdm?
[07:49] <claire> toby@tobyjr:~$ ls -la .bash_profile
[07:49] <claire> -rw-r--r--  1 toby toby 1514 2005-11-01 15:17 .bash_profile
[07:49] <claire> noteventime: Do you mean chmod that file?
[07:49] <claire> to rwxr-xr-x
[07:50] <noteventime> claire: Yes
[07:50] <noteventime> no
[07:50] <claire> l3m: If I run kdm as 'toby' (me) then it appears to load, I see the NVIDIA logo flash up, the blue desktop appears, and then it goes back to the login screen
[07:50] <noteventime> chmod the device file in bash_profile
[07:50] <claire> It works fine for 'claire'
[07:51] <l3m> claire: and if you press ctrl-alt-f7 after logging in using kdm?
[07:51] <l3m> claire: that is, when you're back at the prompt
[07:53] <claire> l3m: You misunderstand me. If kdm is running, I can enter my credentials into the graphical window and press [return] . It flashes the nvidia screen, mouse cursor and blue desktop, and then returns me to the graphical kdm login screen again.
[07:53] <Kyral> Whoa
[07:53] <l3m> claire: ah ok
[07:53] <Kyral> that libxine-extracodecs package is POWERFUL
[07:53] <Red_Herring> claire: yea, i got that too
[07:53] <Red_Herring> use gdm
[07:54] <claire> Use gdm to log into kde? Or abandon KDE for gdm?
[07:54] <Red_Herring> gdm to log in to kde
[07:54] <Red_Herring> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:54] <Red_Herring> there is no difference
[07:54] <nalioth> claire: you can use kde with gdm
[07:54] <Red_Herring> im running kdm and GNOME right now
[07:54] <l3m> claire: well i'd suggest you rename .kde in your home, and log in. that should work. then you can selectively copy the stuff from the "old" .kde dir into the new one ( not a nice fix but it'll work i guess =
[07:55] <claire> Two neat suggestions, thanks. I'm going to log off here and give them a go.
[07:55] <claire> brb
[07:57] <_magus> So, Is it possible to remove the cd-rom icon from the desktop without actually unmounting the drive?
[07:58] <noteventime> sure
[07:59] <_magus> is there an easy fix or do i need to do some hardcore adjusting?
[07:59] <l3m> _magus: in systemsettings->desktop you can (de)activate showing icons on the desktop background
[07:59] <l3m> _magus: also, you can click which icons should be shown
[08:00] <_magus> right. now i do realize that i should have checked that out myself before asking :P
[08:00] <l3m> np ;)
[08:01] <Kyral> Sysinfo for 'AzureDream': Linux 2.6.15-18-k7 running KDE 3.5.1, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2700+ at 2166 MHz (4335 bogomips), , RAM: 566/1010MB, 101 proc's, 16.4min up
[08:07] <l3m> claire: it didn't work?
[08:07] <claire> l3m: 'friad not. deleting my .kde did not fix the problem
[08:07] <claire> I have restored it as it was now.
[08:07] <claire> (~/.kde
[08:08] <l3m> claire: ok, try "apt-get remove --purge kdm" and then reinstall ( apt-get install kdm )
[08:08] <l3m> actually,
[08:08] <l3m> now that i think of it
[08:08] <l3m> check /var/log/kdm.log
[08:09] <l3m> the obvious thing comes to mind last
[08:09] <simian> does kde have a 'recent documents' list somewhere?
[08:10] <NaosZ> hey folks.. what does this mean? -> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[08:10] <simian> do you have gcc installed?
[08:11] <l3m> !gcc
[08:11] <ubotu> gcc is probably the GNU project C and C++ compiler.  From the command-line, type "man gcc" for a complete manual on gcc.  You can install gcc with 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[08:11] <NaosZ> hmm thats hard to say sa Im a raging noob tbh
[08:11] <l3m> simian: yes, afaik you can activate it somewhere in the desktop settings in kcontrol or systemsettings
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu: tell NaosZ about gcc
[08:11] <claire> l3m: There's no errors in /var/log/kdm.log, only a few warnings. I'll put it in the pastebin nonetheless
[08:12] <simian> l3m: thanks i'll have a look
[08:12] <l3m> claire: ok; i guess then just try to "apt-get remove --purge" and then reinstall kdm
[08:12] <NaosZ> hmm interesting
[08:13] <claire> l3m: Here is my /var/log/kdm.log   http://pastebin.com/611100
[08:14] <claire> before I remove/re-install kdm... How invasive will that be? Will it just replace the login screen, or will it replace *all of kde* :-/
[08:14] <l3m> claire: it will delete all custom kdm settings
[08:14] <l3m> claire: and when you reinstall it, it will replace them with the defaults
[08:15] <l3m> claire: hmm wait
[08:15] <kubunhelp> hello anyone from italy o germany who can help me with a problem of installation kubuntu???
[08:15] <l3m> try to "apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings-* " first
[08:15] <l3m> try to "apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings* " first
[08:16] <l3m> if that doesn't work, remove and reinstall
[08:16] <claire> l3m: I wonder; Rather than overwrite mine and her settings, I could re-create a new login for myself leaving hers intact.
[08:16] <kubunhelp>  Please  hello anyone from italy o germany who can help me with a problem of installation kubuntu???
[08:17] <claire> Maybe make up a new account and copy/paste the home directory over it. It might work?
[08:17] <l3m> claire: well i doubt you have a lot of custom settings for kdm ;) and if you do, it's "root's custom kdm settings" not yours or hers
[08:17] <claire> chown it all?
[08:17] <kubunhelp> i have a problem: when i want to install she say to me can't found dvd or cd drive ...
[08:18] <l3m> claire: well if moving .kde didn't help i doubt it's kde that's the problem...
[08:18] <NaosZ> :) linux is so cool lol
[08:18] <kubunhelp> anyone can help me ?
[08:19] <claire> l3m: I'm confusing kdm and kde :)  I'll try that "apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings* " now
[08:19] <kubunhelp> i have a problem: when i want to install she say to me can't found dvd or cd drive ...
[08:20] <Red_Herring> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-default-settings"
[08:20] <l3m> kubunhelp: what did you try to do?
[08:20] <l3m> kubunhelp: because if there's an error message, it would indicate that booting the installer from cd already worked?
[08:21] <kubunhelp> i start with install  select the language and then he say me the error
[08:21] <kubunhelp> yes ubuntu installer works and suse also :-(
[08:22] <l3m> kubunhelp: hm if the ubuntu installer works then just install ubuntu and then "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[08:22] <kubunhelp> but not kubuntu :-(
[08:22] <l3m> kubunhelp: it's the same, actually ;)
[08:22] <Red_Herring> why cant ubuntu get a suse-like installer?
[08:22] <kubunhelp> lol
[08:22] <kosh> because a more complex installer is more likely to fail
[08:22] <kosh> the ubuntu installer may not look pretty but it is very very easy
[08:22] <kosh> with few questions to answer
[08:22] <l3m> Red_Herring: because the debian installer works on almost any platform and is a nice piece of technology
[08:22] <kosh> and it will run on pretty much anything without error
[08:22] <l3m> i guess ;)
[08:23] <l3m> Red_Herring: and with suse, you'll need to install it every 6 months or so
[08:23] <Red_Herring> ok, touche
[08:23] <l3m> Red_Herring: whereas kubuntu ( or any debain distro ) you need to do it once
[08:23] <Red_Herring> TOUCHE
[08:23] <kosh> that is one reason the debian installer has sucked so long
[08:23] <kosh> most of the people could not even remember installing it so nobody worked on it
[08:23] <l3m> hehe
[08:24] <Red_Herring> i actually like how fast and simple the ubuntu one is
[08:24] <kosh> when it did get work they decided to make it made it as simple as possible
[08:24] <Red_Herring> but suse is more welcoming, like "HEY, you just waisted money on this!"
[08:24] <kosh> so it just works period with almost no chance for error
[08:24] <Pyrobob> I just did a complete uninstall of wine, winex , and CVSWineX, and re-installed wine
[08:24] <kosh> yeah people will remember the suse installer
[08:24] <claire> l3m: Okay, "apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings* " ran okay. Should I restart X before trying it?
[08:24] <l3m> Red_Herring: yeah well i'd want a nice installer too if i had to pay for something that other systems do better free
[08:24] <Pyrobob> and I STILL get that error message
[08:24] <l3m> claire yes
[08:24] <claire> l3m: k, brb
[08:25] <kosh> I don't even how remember HOW I installed debian to begin with on this box
[08:25] <FliesLikeABrick> how can I boot a kubuntu livecd such that i'll get a non-gui interface, just a terminal with all the normal tools?
[08:25] <kosh> much less what the installer looked like
[08:25] <kosh> I just managed that I figured out a way to do a live switchover from mandrake to debian and just did a reboot at the end
[08:25] <Red_Herring> FliesLikeABrick: use DSL, its very nifty
[08:25] <kosh> s/managed/remember
[08:25] <kosh> that was about 5-6 years ago
[08:25] <l3m> hehe
[08:26] <kosh> and not one piece of hardware is the same
[08:26] <kosh> the hard drive, motherboard, cpu, vid card, case, psu, cd driver etc have all been replaced without a reinstall :)
[08:27] <Red_Herring> congrats
[08:27] <kosh> I will have to do a new install when I get my new system though
[08:27] <kosh> since that will change from x86 to x86_64
[08:27] <marcez> hello... i need help about rsa token seed kit
[08:27] <kosh> however it should go pretty quickly
[08:28] <Red_Herring> !rsa
[08:28] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:28] <marcez> ?
[08:28] <FliesLikeABrick> Red_Herring  DSL isn't useful right now when i'm trying to recover stuff off a housemate's hd and we don't have any blank CDs
[08:29] <Red_Herring> ah, i see
[08:29] <kosh> FliesLikeABrick: so what are you trying to do?
[08:30] <Pyrobob> um... I tried to re-uninstall winex, and I got an error message
[08:31] <Pyrobob> make[1] : *** [uninstall]  Error 1
[08:31] <Pyrobob> make[1] : Leaving directory
[08:31] <FliesLikeABrick> kosh  my housemate has a crashed drive with FAT32 that he needs some very important financial docs off of
[08:31] <Pyrobob> `/home/tony/winex/include'
[08:31] <Pyrobob> make: *** [include/__uninstall__]  Error 2
[08:31] <FliesLikeABrick> not a linux install
[08:31] <fatejudger> Pyrobob: dude, pastebin
[08:31] <Pyrobob> ah
[08:31] <l3m> Pyrobob: use kubuntu.pastebin.com
[08:31] <fatejudger> Pyrobob: don't flood the channel
[08:31] <Pyrobob> sry
[08:32] <fatejudger> Pyrobob: and wtf is "re-uninstall"?
[08:32] <Pyrobob> tried to uninstall it earlier
[08:32] <Pyrobob> and failed
[08:32] <fatejudger> lol
[08:32] <Pyrobob> tried again thus, a "re-uninstall"
[08:32] <jindiaz> hey guys, quick question.  is dc++ in the repositories? anyone know the command???
[08:32] <claire> l3m: no joy with the "apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings* "
[08:32] <nalioth> jindiaz: if you have universe and multiverse enabled, there are two dc++ clients
[08:33] <jindiaz> crap, i do have bnoth enabled
[08:33] <jindiaz> which command should iu use?
[08:34] <nalioth> jindiaz: open adept and search for dc++
[08:34] <jindiaz> yah ive tried that b4, it didnt work out nicely.  ill try again though
[08:34] <l3m> claire: hmm try remove --purge ing kdm and reinstalling
[08:34] <l3m> claire: if that doesn't work, i'm running out of ides
[08:35] <l3m> ideas
[08:35] <claire> l3m: Thanks for the help thus far, anyday
[08:35] <claire> s/anyday/anyway
[08:37] <jindiaz> theres only library's
[08:38] <claire> l3m: Is this the right sytax?  "sudo apt-get remove --purge kdm; sudo apt-get install kdm"
[08:39] <KaoticEvil> anyone care to help me with a package installation?
[08:39] <l3m> claire: yes
[08:39] <l3m> claire: it will remove some meta packages
[08:39] <Red_Herring> !apt
[08:39] <ubotu> I heard apt is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[08:40] <claire> KaoticEvil: I think I just gave you the syntax you'll need ;)
[08:40] <l3m> claire: i'd reinstall them too
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> claire: no, not really.
[08:40] <l3m> KaoticEvil: well that's the problem with pkg installation?
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> i cant find the package i need.... i need to install Qt so i can make xconfig for a kernel compile. ive installed 5 or 6 different packages...
[08:40] <KaoticEvil> qt3-devel, qt4-devel, and several others...
[08:41] <KaoticEvil> and i continue to get the Qt not installed error
[08:41] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: libqt*-dev
[08:41] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: no results returned
[08:42] <l3m> libqt3-dev, libqt4-dev
[08:42] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: search in synaptic or adept for 'libqt'  install all that end in -dev
[08:42] <KaoticEvil> l3m: ive installed both of those
[08:42] <jindiaz> hey nalioth, is it called "opendchub" in adept?
[08:42] <jindiaz> is that the correct oe?  its all i could find
[08:43] <l3m> KaoticEvil: you should probably set QTDIR und QTLIB
[08:43] <KaoticEvil> l3m: how do i do that? is there a config file somewhere?
[08:43] <nalioth> jindiaz: no, it's called dc++ and/or dcgui
[08:44] <cycus_zwisus> how long (on average) does it take to compile gnome 2.14 using garnome? (yes, i know it's kubuntu channel)
[08:44] <KaoticEvil> cycus_zwisus: that would all depend on your computer...
[08:45] <cycus_zwisus> athlox xp 2200, ram 256
[08:45] <cycus_zwisus> athlon*
[08:45] <jindiaz> awwwwwwwwww man.  damn, cause trhe description is so similar to what the one i use on my main computer is.  lol, ok let me look again
[08:45] <l3m> KaoticEvil: export QTLIB=/usr/lib
[08:46] <l3m> KaoticEvil: there's something like QTDIR for includes too, but i forgot the exact name
[08:46] <l3m> QTLIB
[08:46] <KaoticEvil> ok
[08:46] <l3m> i mean
[08:46] <jindiaz> ummm yah the thing is abt that dcgui version, it says its for gtk
[08:46] <KaoticEvil> well, i searched in adept for all libqt* files... and there were Qt3 and Qt4 dev libs that werent installed...
[08:46] <jindiaz> it will work fine with kubuntu?
[08:46] <jindiaz> errrrr
[08:47] <jindiaz> kde
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> jindiaz: you can run GTK apps on KDE
[08:47] <nalioth> jindiaz: you may use any program you find in the repos any where
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> as long as you have the GTK file installed
[08:47] <jindiaz> really?  crap, that bastard lied to me then!
[08:47] <jindiaz> argh
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> i run GTK apps every day...
[08:47] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: if jindiaz installs with apt, it'll install the necessary gtk files
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> lol jindiaz
[08:48] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: yup
[08:48] <jindiaz> ok, im going to give that one a spin, see if it works out, brb
[08:48] <bla|patrick> weired... i was kicked in ubuntu? what happened?
[08:50] <bla|patrick> huh?
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> wow... thats a lot of deps...
[08:50] <Kyral> meh the new splash stinks
[08:50] <Red_Herring> i like it
[08:50] <slow-motion> you can smell it?
[08:50] <KaoticEvil> Kyral: on what? dapper?
[08:51] <Kyral> KaoticEvil: yah
[08:51] <Kyral> I like the other one lol
[08:51] <l3m> dapper splash is great ;)
[08:51] <KaoticEvil> how far is dapper? still Flight 5?
[08:51] <Kyral> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426 <== This one I liked :D
[08:52] <Russel> i need to knwo where a config files for the maximum open files in ubuntu is
[08:52] <claire> l3m: Before removing kdm, I installed gdm as an experiment. gdm allows me to log in as myself!
[08:53] <claire> l3m: ergo it *is* kdm at fault
[08:53] <l3m> claire: ok cool
[08:53] <l3m> claire: did purging and reinstalling help?
[08:53] <claire> removing kdm asks that I remove kubuntu-desktop at the same time (meta package). Do you know what that is, before I remove it?
[08:53] <crimsun> Russel: change the value in /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[08:54] <Russel> thx
[08:54] <claire> I've not done the purge/reinstall yet, you see.
[08:54] <KaoticEvil> kubuntu-desktop is the meta package that installs KDE (and i believe KDM as well)
[08:55] <l3m> k
[08:55] <KaoticEvil> i believe it only installs what is needed by KDE... i dont think it installs any extras
[08:55] <l3m> claire: just uninstall it
[08:55] <l3m> claire: it's a meta package, that means it has no content but it references all of the kubuntu desktop kde packages
[08:55] <claire> l3m: Cool. I didn't want to go in blind and accidentally remove my whole KDE or something. :-O
[08:55] <l3m> claire: also, you can reinstall it any time
[08:56] <l3m> ;)
[08:56] <claire> here goes then!
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> and as long as ~/.kde is still there, your settings will be ok :)
[08:56] <KaoticEvil> errr.. should be ok...
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> im not too sure about that one, but it seems to be the trend :)
[08:57] <claire> Shush, I'm half way through already!
[08:57] <ras_> can somebody tell me a channel where i can talk socoally. [new user] 
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> ras_: about Kubuntu or just talk in general?
[08:58] <ras_> in general just meet ppl and chat
[08:58] <crazyhors> hello, i installed kde from a 'ubuntu' system and now have no sound while using kde /dev/dsp not found etc.etc. ...            is there a quick fix for this?
[08:59] <KaoticEvil> crazyhors: try chaning the sound system that KDE uses...
[08:59] <blah|patrick> nalioth: ???
[08:59] <claire> l3m: I can't install kdm again. "Depends: kdebase-bin (= 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1 is to be installed"
[08:59] <nalioth> blah|patrick: you were banned from #ubuntu by seveas
[08:59] <claire> kubuntu-desktop says it depends on kdm
[08:59] <nalioth> blah|patrick: ban evasion is not acceptable
[08:59] <l3m> claire: oh
[08:59] <blah|patrick> banned, when and why?
[09:00] <nalioth> blah|patrick: you'll need to ask seveas
[09:00] <blah|patrick> O_o
[09:00] <Tm_T> moin
[09:00] <l3m> claire: hmm did you change apt sources recently?
[09:00] <blah|patrick> ok... this is wiered
[09:00] <blah|patrick> hallo Tm_T
[09:00] <blah|patrick> :)
[09:00] <l3m> claire: apt-get update and try again....
[09:00] <claire> I never use apt, always use adept.
[09:00] <claire> will do...
[09:00] <blah|patrick> nalioth: could u giv eme that bot link to that wifi page?
[09:00] <nalioth> ubotu: tell blah|patrick about wifi
[09:01] <jindiaz> hmmm.. the dc worked, but it looks WAYYYYYYYYYY different then the windows version...  i dunno kinda liked he windows version, is this the only dc versiion for linux?
[09:01] <crazyhors> KaoticEvil: chaning/changing?
[09:02] <blah|patrick> as i thought, nalioth, my stick isnt in that list, so that wiki really isnt useful at this point :|
[09:02] <KaoticEvil> crazyhors: yes, i made a typo... i meant changing
[09:02] <nalioth> jindiaz: there is dc++ ( a console version) and dcgui (a gui version) <hint: this is not windows>
[09:02] <nalioth> ubotu: tell blah|patrick about ndiswrapper
[09:02] <martinp> guys, on my iBook G3 300MHz, my modem does not seem to be supported. I'm currently running Flight 5. Any help would be appreciated.
[09:02] <blah|patrick> nalioth: there are nativ linuxdrivers
[09:02] <jindiaz> lol, i knoe its not windows, i just thought it would be developed similar is all
[09:02] <blah|patrick> but that file's source is weired.
[09:03] <nalioth> jindiaz: it is the end result that matters, not the appearance
[09:03] <nalioth> blah|patrick: join #ubuntu-offtopic for help with it
[09:03] <jindiaz> tru tru, but i mean, that vesion was a breeze to learn how to use, this one seems complicted
[09:03] <claire> l3m: That didn't fix the problem. However, I am working with gdm now, and my brain is tired, so I might yield defeat on this one for the meantime
[09:03] <jindiaz> lol
[09:04] <blah|patrick> nalioth: couldn someone simply download a about 1MB big driverfile and tell me what i have to do with it?
[09:04] <jindiaz> how is the console version??
[09:04] <nalioth> blah|patrick: if you join #ubuntu-offtopic we can help you
[09:04] <blah|patrick> problem 1: no documentation or readme in it
[09:04] <blah|patrick> kk
[09:04] <KaoticEvil> claire: even with GDM, you should still be able to login to a KDE session...
[09:05] <claire> Yeah, it works fine that way. I would have liked to get kdm working so I got that 'warm inside' feeling but I'm pretty knackered now and could do with a rest!
[09:05] <claire> l3m: Thanks for the help
[09:05] <KaoticEvil> nalioth: that got it... make xconfig works now :) thanks
[09:06] <KaoticEvil> i dont know why i didnt try that... i rarely use adept... i prefer apt
[09:06] <l3m> claire: ok, yw ;)
[09:06] <claire> KaoticEvil: Thx too
[09:06] <claire> laters all
[09:07] <jindiaz> OMG NO WAY!  hey nalioth, the open dc thing i mentioned earlier is the software to host a hub on the dc netwrok!?!?!?
[09:08] <Russel> does /proc/sys/fs/file-nr has the number of opened files in it?
[09:08] <nalioth> jindiaz: i have no clue, i dont use it
[09:09] <jindiaz> awwwww... damn.  well im going to try it out anyways on my primary pc sometime.
[09:09] <jindiaz> o yah speaking of which, is there a REALLY good site on dual booting?
[09:09] <jindiaz> im changing thaty pc to linux in the summer, but will need to be able to dual boot for games and such
[09:10] <jindiaz> and is dual booting done on the same hd?  and also, do i install linux first, then craprosoft?
[09:11] <nalioth> jindiaz: windows should be installed first
[09:11] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jindiaz about dualboot
[09:12] <Russel> how can i find out the actual opened files? lsof | wc -l doesn't stop...
[09:14] <morrow> !skype
[09:14] <ubotu> [skype]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[09:16] <jindiaz> no way.....................
[09:16] <jindiaz> its that simple?!?!?
[09:16] <jindiaz> whut the hellllllllllll have i been doing wassting my time!
[09:16] <jindiaz> god damn it....
[09:16] <Tm_T> =)
[09:17] <cycus_zwisus> !op
[09:17] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, cycus_zwisus
[09:17] <jindiaz> oi, one more question though, i have 4 hds, they are all ntfs right now, so one i remove the data disk at a time, how do i format it into linux format?
[09:17] <jindiaz> one should be when up there
[09:17] <jindiaz> lol
[09:19] <Tm_T> qtparted
[09:19] <jindiaz> i have 900gb+-60gb, so im all good for space, just need to knoe how to go about doing that
[09:19] <GvsE> :p
[09:19] <GvsE> nice
[09:19] <DSlayer> Need help configuring modem on iBook G3 with Flight 5. Any help would be appreciated.
[09:19] <seanb64> Hi
[09:20] <jindiaz> yah, mi main pc is like, pure sex.  it has like EVERYTHING one could possibly need... surprisingly im running out of space though... lol, i have just enough to move stuff around
[09:20] <Tm_T> !partitioning
[09:20] <ubotu> from memory, partitioning is best done using gparted, gparted, or fdisk. You must unmount a disk before it can be partitioned. Use the LiveCD for this.
[09:20] <jindiaz> and i just bought the acer 1916 widescreen 19" lcd
[09:20] <Tm_T> I bet another gparted is meant to be qtparted
[09:20] <jindiaz> my god its nice
[09:21] <jindiaz> anyways, aside from that, anyone have a good link on how to go about doing the partitioning????
[09:21] <nalioth> jindiaz: Tm_T is talking to you
[09:21] <seanb64> I have an eMac, and i'm attempting to boot, and I go through the splash and everything fine, but after the splash and I just ge t a black screen
[09:22] <Tm_T> nalioth: you think? ;)
[09:22] <seanb64> could I have some help?
[09:22] <nalioth> seanb64: is the box near you now?
[09:22] <jindiaz> lol, buthow do i use those things?
[09:23] <nalioth> jindiaz: they are very self-explanatory
[09:23] <jindiaz> and i knoe he is, biut i was just wondering if there were a page abt this at all
[09:23] <seanb64> yea, thats what I'm typing on, I also am attempting on a G3 iMAc, it does the same
[09:23] <crazyhors> no luck with my sound :(
[09:23] <seanb64> can we trubleshoot on the iMAc?
[09:23] <nalioth> ubotu: tell seanb64 about xcfg
[09:23] <seanb64> xcfg?
[09:23] <crazyhors> followed the pointers from kdehelp
[09:23] <nalioth> seanb64: in a PM, ubotu has sent you some instructions
[09:24] <noteventime> !ati
[09:24] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[09:24] <nalioth> seanb64: run that command and choose the "vesa" driver
[09:24] <jindiaz> really?  ok but see i dont even knoe how to unmount a disk
[09:25] <kosh> I HATE the ati binary driver
[09:25] <kosh> so I just use the open one until I can get some new nvidia cards
[09:26] <seanb64> do I run that command on OS X?
[09:26] <seanb64> that bot is telling me to get hit by a windmill
[09:26] <kosh> if you have more then one radeon card that driver won't work right
[09:26] <nalioth> hi sabdfl
[09:26] <seanb64> ]  :P
[09:26] <sabdfl> hey nalioth
[09:26] <kosh> and I mean the ati binary driver in general, under windows also it does not work right
[09:27] <seanb64> do I run that command in the Terminal in OS X
[09:27] <seanb64> ?
[09:28] <nalioth> seanb64: no, you run it in kubuntu (type alt-f3 to gain a text console)
[09:28] <seanb64> so I boot, and hold that down?
[09:29] <seanb64> oka, I have a prompt
[09:29] <seanb64> on the iMac
[09:31] <nalioth> seanb64: type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:32] <seanb64> I get
[09:32] <nalioth> seanb64: follow the prompts (choose the defaults, unless you are sure of the answer to put) and when it gets to the display driver part, choose "vesa"
[09:33] <seanb64> cd:2,sudo: Unknown or corrupt file system
[09:33] <seanb64> thats what comes up
[09:34] <Dan_The_Mann> i am in need of help... anyone here that can help me with root access?
[09:34] <ompaul> !tell Dan_The_Mann about root
[09:34] <ompaul> Dan_The_Mann, have a quick look at the link supplied by the bot
[09:35] <seanb64> anyone know what to do?
[09:36] <Dan_The_Mann> ok, im trying to save a file that requires root access
[09:36] <Dan_The_Mann> sources.txt or something like that
[09:36] <seanb64> huh
[09:36] <seanb64> ?
[09:36] <crazyhors> is there a dillo package anywhere?
[09:36] <seanb64> help?
[09:37] <ompaul> Dan_The_Mann, to edit it you do this: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" that will allow you access to save it
[09:37] <ompaul> seanb64, do you have a live CD?
[09:37] <Dan_The_Mann> okkk
[09:37] <seanb64> thats what I'm booting off of
[09:38] <nalioth> seanb64: that makes no sense
[09:38] <nalioth> crazyhors: yes there is
[09:38] <seanb64> I am attempting to boot off of a live CD
[09:38] <nalioth> seanb64: you don't need to be in a live session, this command won't work from there
[09:38] <nalioth> seanb64: it won't help you from there
[09:39] <seanb64> oh, sorry  :\
[09:39] <ompaul> seanb64, why be sorry, you did not know :-)
[09:40] <seanb64> I'm more of an OS X dude, but I've always wanted to use Linux
[09:40] <tarmath> an admirable objective indeed
[09:40] <seanb64> :)
[09:40] <tarmath> :)
[09:40] <ompaul> crazyhors, dillo  is in the Universe repo, if you know what that is.
[09:41] <seanb64> so, should I burn another Live CD?
[09:41] <ompaul> seanb64, for what purpose?
[09:41] <nalioth> seanb64: no, boot into your hard drive install
[09:41] <Dan_The_Mann> so theres no way i can edit the sources.list file in KATE?
[09:41] <nalioth> Dan_The_Mann: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:41] <seanb64> I haven't installed it on the hard drives
[09:41] <ompaul> Dan_The_Mann, you can with ohh see nalioth ^^^ :-)
[09:42] <crazyhors> ompaul: no i don't but will the package manager help me ?
[09:42] <seanb64> I wanted to try it on the CD first
[09:42] <nalioth> seanb64: then you've been using the livecd the whole time?
[09:42] <seanb64> Yes
[09:42] <ompaul> crazyhors, yeap
[09:42] <nalioth> seanb64: no wonder.
[09:42] <crazyhors> tnx
[09:42] <seanb64> should I have had it on the hard drive?
[09:42] <nalioth> seanb64: when you boot the livecd, hit f1 for boot options
[09:42] <seanb64> ahh, okay, lemme try
[09:43] <vos_ck> Hi Guys, I just crashed my Knoppix hard disk installation because I tried to upgrade KDE to testing where the rest was stable. Tried it with Debian's spinning mechanism. Afterwards I found out that Knoppix recommends not to try this. Will it work on Kubuntu?
[09:44] <tarmath> vos_ck: what do you want to do exactly?
[09:44] <seanb64> it says "Wecome to yaboot"
[09:44] <nalioth> vos_ck: knoppix is really not suited for a hard drive install, and yes it'll work fine in kubuntu
[09:45] <seanb64> then a version number: 1.3.13
[09:45] <Dan_The_Mann> thank you very much for helping me... i was trying to install wine to play counter-strike
[09:45] <nalioth> seanb64: f1 doesnt bring anything up?
[09:45] <Dan_The_Mann> bye!
[09:45] <seanb64> do I hold it down while I hold down "c" to boot the CD?
[09:46] <vos_ck> I am planning to use Kubuntu in future. I want a stable system but need KDE in testing ( at least in Knoppix ) as I need some libraries for development.
[09:46] <vos_ck> Is there a hard disk installation from Kubutu-LiveCD?
[09:46] <tarmath> vos_ck: so basicly, you want the latest stable kde, is that it?
[09:46] <nalioth> seanb64: no, as soon as the cdrom shows you a screen
[09:47] <vos_ck> tarmath : Debian differs between stable/testing/SID. Doesn't Kubutu as well?
[09:47] <seanb64> the white blank screen, or the first boot screen where I have to press enter?
[09:47] <nalioth> vos_ck: it does not
[09:47] <tarmath> vos_ck: nope
[09:47] <vos_ck> alright
[09:47] <nalioth> seanb64: where you press 'enter' hit f1
[09:47] <seanb64> okay, lemme do that
[09:47] <vos_ck> So I might not have the problem at all with the missing library... ;-)
[09:48] <ompaul> vos_ck, what is this mysterious lib?
[09:48] <vos_ck> Think it was kdelib4. I needed the kled.h file. It was missing on my knoppix system and was not able to install it.
[09:49] <vos_ck> It was only available in testing not in stable.
[09:49] <tarmath> vos_ck: anyway I think you could manage to have that on any system actually made for disk installs...
[09:50] <seanb64> do I press it while I  press enter, cause when I press it at the prompt, nothing happened
[09:50] <vos_ck> tarmath : It should be possible, but I crashed my system ;-/ I might have done something wrong there...
[09:50] <ompaul> noirequus, go have a break, take a spin out and grab a few rays and enjoy the day :-) we'll mind the shop
[09:51] <ompaul> back in a few minutes
[09:51] <ompaul> (I hope)
[09:51] <nico8481> does the system need postfix or can it be removed?
[09:51] <noirequus> seanb64: perhaps you might find some answers in #ubuntu or ##apple
[09:51] <tarmath> vos_ck: is it possible with any system... but if you want bleeding edge stuff that just came out, it's much easier with distros like kubuntu...
[09:51] <seanb64> why?
[09:52] <ompaul> nico8481, it does not install it unless some package wanted it
[09:52] <nico8481> ompaul: it seems to be part of the "lsb" metapackage
[09:53] <vos_ck> Can I install Kubuntu from LiveCD?
[09:53] <ompaul> meta packages can be deleted with no problem
[09:53] <nico8481> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[09:53] <nico8481>   lsb lsb-core lsb-cxx lsb-graphics mailx mutt postfix
[09:53] <nico8481> I guess it's OK
[09:54] <vos_ck> tarmath : Do you have the file kled.h on your system?
[09:54] <ompaul> nico8481, why take it out? (just curious)
[09:54] <crazyhors> ompaul: where do i find that repository (universal)
[09:54] <nico8481> ompaul: good question... dunno :-) it just bugs me :)
[09:54] <ompaul> crazyhors, easiest way to do it is this, open a konsole
[09:54] <ompaul> nico8481, just turn it off
[09:55] <ompaul> nico8481, sudo /etc/init.d/postfix stop
[09:55] <nico8481> ompaul: yup i could have done that... too late it's gone :o)
[09:55] <seanb64> why do I have to try somewhere else?
[09:55] <vos_ck> tarmath : waht do you mean by bleeding edge stuff? Sorry, I am no native speaker ( german ) ;-)
[09:55] <ompaul> seanb64, if your not getting answers you want here, then more support may be available in one of the other channels
[09:56] <ompaul> crazyhors, have you one open?
[09:57] <seanb64> it's Kubuntu i'm booting to
[09:57] <ompaul> crazyhors, I have to go in a few minutes so your call, I have asked you have you a konsole open?
[09:57] <crazyhors> sec
[09:57] <noirequus> seanb64: kubuntu is ubuntu is xubuntu
[09:58] <noirequus> seanb64: and powerpc problems are also handled in ##apple
[09:58] <crazyhors> yes terminal open
[09:58] <seanb64> okay, thatnks
[09:58] <seanb64> thanks*
[09:58] <ompaul> crazyhors, type this >>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list<<
[09:59] <crazyhors> k done
[10:00] <ompaul> crazyhors, looking down you that file you will see a line which looks like this: #deb http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[10:00] <ompaul> crazyhors, remove the #
[10:01] <crazyhors> us.archive...breezy yadayada?
[10:01] <KaoticEvil> well, i hope i picked the right kernel options....
[10:01] <ompaul> crazyhors, starts with a # and ends with universe
[10:01] <crazyhors> tnx
[10:02] <ompaul> crazyhors, what is your attitude to what is called "non free software" where the free means the ability to maybe read the source and alter it?
[10:02] <crazyhors> http or deb-src
[10:03] <ompaul> crazyhors, all you remove is the >>>>#<<<< nothing else
[10:03] <crazyhors> yes i know how to uncomment a line  thanks ...
[10:03] <crazyhors> not sure about what you mean re free
[10:03] <crazyhors> dillo is free
[10:04] <ompaul> crazyhors, free as in freedom GPL/BSD Licence as against closed source
[10:05] <crazyhors> my attitude?
[10:05] <ompaul> crazyhors, yes if you object to it then don't do this - add the word multiverse to the end of the line with universe in it
[10:05] <crazyhors> ah i see what you mean thanks
[10:06] <Rayman> any other video editors for linux than pitivi?
[10:06] <Rayman> any recommendations?
[10:06] <ompaul> crazyhors, you should sort out the security universe repo also
[10:06] <Rayman> I can google.. just asking opinions.
[10:07] <crazyhors> i see
[10:07] <MidnightDevil> heyz
[10:07] <crazyhors> what is multiverse incidentally, and what do you recommend?
[10:07] <ompaul> don't think there is an answer on that one Rayman, perhaps you would like to write up how you find it and operate it and stuff in wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:07] <seanb64> no one answers on that and slackintosh
[10:07] <noirequus> crazyhors: uni and multi are repos for legally different programs
[10:08] <noirequus> crazyhors: i recommend both
[10:08] <crazyhors> thanks
[10:08] <seanb64> should I  just try a local installation?
[10:08] <crazyhors> go have fun dood
[10:08] <ompaul> seanb64, your itching to just go for it
[10:09] <crazyhors> or doodette as the case may be
[10:09] <seanb64> I just want it to bootup
[10:09] <seanb64> I'm a dude
[10:09] <erreon> Hello all, could someone help me with a little problem?  I'm logged into the ownly account on this Kubuntu computer of mine and for some reason it doesn't let me run adept it used to run it as root ask for a password and go for it.. now it asks for password and says Root Required
[10:09] <ompaul> seanb64, if you don't try it you can't find out about it
[10:10] <crazyhors> seanb64: slackintosh is stagnant ... i have the tree somewhere though...
[10:10] <seanb64> do I have to format and partition my frive
[10:10] <seanb64> drive*
[10:10] <seanb64> that'll be a pill and a half to back all my stuff up
[10:11] <ompaul> seanb64, I believe you can dual boot a mac, noirequus am I right with that?
[10:11] <seanb64> but do I have to partition?
[10:11] <Rayman> ompaul: i'll see what I can do tomorrow. Bed time soon.
[10:12] <ompaul> seanb64, yes you will have to give up some space to allow kubuntu install
[10:12] <seanb64> do I have to format the drive and format it with DU?
[10:13] <ompaul> seanb64, I am not the man to talk with about macs - I don't have one
[10:13] <erreon> You can partition with out formatting with the correct tools
[10:13] <seanb64> can I just install it on the same partition?
[10:14] <ompaul> seanb64, no it is a seperate o/s how would your machine know which one to use when you wanted /bin/ls ?
[10:14] <erreon> I highly doubt it'd be a great idea
[10:14] <seanb64> ah, what tools should I use to partition like that?
[10:14] <erreon> For windows it'd be partition magic... for mac I'm not sure if they have a tool like that
[10:15] <seanb64> anyone else know
[10:15] <seanb64> ??
[10:15] <erreon> It'd take a little research, but they should have a tool builtin or available
[10:15] <ompaul> seanb64, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[10:15] <erreon> check out google search for repartition mac hard drive
[10:15] <erreon> or something
[10:15] <ompaul> erreon, ^^^
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> eh.. just use Partition Magic thru VMWare or the like :P
[10:15] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:16] <erreon> hehe
[10:16] <Dasnipa`> erreon partition magic has a chance to ruin a harddrive because part of PM's code is in the bootsector, and on occasion PM misses the sector and overwrites boot code
[10:16] <KaoticEvil> err.. not VMWare, WINE rather
[10:16] <erreon> ahhh
[10:17] <KaoticEvil> Dasnipa`: actually, thats only common when you use BootMagic
[10:18] <KaoticEvil> ive used PM for many years and have never had a problem with it... of course, i hate BootMagic, so never used it :)
[10:18] <erreon> anyone know how I can get adept-updater to work again? I put in the password and I get Root is Required after it tries to start up
[10:19] <kosh> you are suppsoed to put in your accounts password since it will use sudo
[10:19] <ompaul> right I am doing stuff biab
[10:19] <erreon> yes I did that and it said Root Required
[10:20] <erreon> it seems like its not trying to run in sudo
[10:20] <kosh> that is strange
[10:20] <KaoticEvil> erreon: try running Adept with the command "kdesu adept " from the run box
[10:21] <kosh> from a command line if you do sudo cat  /proc/cpuinfo does it prompt for the password and run that command/
[10:21] <kosh> I just chose something that won't hurt anything as a test
[10:21] <MidnightDevil> where can I find X enchangements?
[10:21] <kosh> MidnightDevil: huh?
[10:21] <MidnightDevil> transparency, windows effects
[10:21] <MidnightDevil> like Mac has
[10:22] <MidnightDevil> :D
[10:22] <kosh> I think that system settings -> appearance has almost all of those
[10:22] <erreon> Kaotic: I did what you said it comes up and says you cannot install/remove/upgrade unless you're running on root
[10:22] <kosh> however most of that stuff does not work very quickly right now so you will slow things down just to make it look faster
[10:23] <kosh> look better to you I mean not faster
[10:23] <kosh> however I could not stand that stuff when I have had to use macosx either and tried to turn off all of that stuff also
[10:24] <MidnightDevil> i see
[10:25] <MidnightDevil> i cant find it
[10:25] <MidnightDevil> im talking about gnome
[10:25] <kosh> why are you in #kubuntu then?
[10:25] <kosh> kubuntu is kde not gnome
[10:25] <kosh> sorry where the stuff is at in gnome I have no idea at all
[10:25] <MidnightDevil> sorry, cause i installed kubuntu and it came with gnome
[10:25] <MidnightDevil> or.. 5.10 isnt kubuntu? :|
[10:25] <kosh> kubuntu comes with kde, ubuntu comes with gnome
[10:26] <kosh> what makes it kubuntu or ubuntu is wether it comes with gnome or kde
[10:26] <MidnightDevil> i see, so i guess 5.10 is ubuntu
[10:26] <kosh> 5.10 is a version number
[10:26] <kosh> kubuntu and ubuntu both have a 5.10
[10:27] <kosh> kind of like how word has a 2003 and so does excel, powerpoint access etc
[10:29] <ompaul> noisey setting yourself away is not good, just do /away Reason then if someone tries to talk to you they get the away message if everyone did it the channel would be unusable :-)
[10:30] <Kasei^> I have a question- when the stable version of dapper will come out?
[10:30] <ompaul> Kasei^: most likely between the 20th april and 1st june
[10:30] <ompaul> Kasei^: it is not set in stone yet
[10:31] <Kasei^> Nice, cause i noticet that new beta of amarok works only with dapper
[10:31] <Kasei^> and i was a little confused
[10:31] <ompaul> !tell Kasei^ about distrologic
[10:31] <ompaul> Kasei^: that may help explain stuff
[10:33] <crazyhors> how do i add a repo to ?/var/lib/apt/lists
[10:34] <ompaul> crazyhors: you add them to /etc/apt/sources.list and after that you do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade in that order
[10:34] <djk_> is there a windowing system that looks like winxp?
[10:34] <crazyhors> thank you sir
[10:34] <kosh> windows xp :)
[10:34] <crazyhors> icewm
[10:35] <kosh> ice can look fairly close however looking like something else is dangerous
[10:35] <kosh> since they won't act the same way
[10:35] <ompaul> djk_: there is something that is a kde theme afik
[10:35] <djk_> crazyhors: is it icewm's target to look like XP?
[10:35] <kosh> the target icewm is supposed to look something like os/2
[10:35] <crazyhors> no
[10:35] <ompaul> kdelooks.org
[10:35] <kosh> djk_: why do you want something to look like xp?
[10:36] <frank__> ompaul: they decided on June 1st for the release
[10:36] <kosh> nothing else will work like xp
[10:36] <crazyhors> there is one out there that is intended to look like xp
[10:36] <crazyhors> and act like it
[10:36] <ompaul> frank__: since when? I have not seen an annoucement yet I thought it was to go to CC
[10:36] <djk_> kosh: err.. that was not the reason why i asked, besides, XP doesn't look that bad
[10:36] <tarmath> linux looking like xp can ease up transition on family members...
[10:36] <kosh> neither kde, gnome or icewm will act like it
[10:37] <djk_> kosh: that is nor was the reason why i asked
[10:37] <kosh> djk_: I didn't say it looked bad however having one thing look like something else when it does not work the same way mostly causes confusion
[10:37] <crazyhors> winpe it is called orsomething like that
[10:37] <kosh> djk_: however I would like to now why you want to know
[10:37] <seanb64> okay, can't partition the drive :(
[10:37] <djk_> kosh: simple, there's QVWM which looks like win95/98/nt..
[10:37] <frank__> ompaul: someone said that a the last ubuntu-meeting, that was decided. I don't remeber who said it though
[10:38] <djk_> kosh: so i was wondering if there is another wm which looks like xp
[10:38] <seanb64> so what caqn I do?
[10:38] <djk_> kosh: or if it's only done via themes for kde for example
[10:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone can tell me how to play this streaming file?
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://webct.sfu.ca/fpa147spring06/journalaudio/Ferrari.mp3
[10:39] <frank__> ompaul: maybe you're right... no official decision yet
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> inside firefox i can usually play them.. but with this i have troble
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to do it from command line?
[10:39] <djk_> kosh: satisfied? ;)
[10:39] <l3m>  Tallia1Kubuntu it's protected by a login
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am logged in
[10:39] <l3m> yeah but we can't test it without one
[10:40] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can i change the settings for the spell chek?
[10:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyway..
[10:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how could i play it outside eclipse?
[10:40] <seanb64> help!
[10:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry..
[10:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> l3m: outside firefox
[10:41] <l3m> Tallia1Kubuntu: well some players allow you to specify an url
[10:41] <l3m> i think kmplayer does
[10:41] <l3m> or kaffeine
[10:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what about mplayer?
[10:41] <seanb64>  +
[10:41] <KaoticEvil> wow
[10:42] <l3m> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes
[10:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just have to put the link in the argument?
[10:43] <simian> why is it that when i launch adept from the menu it just hangs permently but when I run it from the comand line 'kdesu adept' it runs fine?
[10:43] <DjDarkman> can someone help me configure the spell check?
[10:45] <ompaul> back in a little while
[10:45] <crazyhors> djk_: http://www.xpde.com/
[10:48] <simian> why is it that when i launch adept from the menu it just hangs permently but when I run it from the comand line 'kdesu adept' it runs fine?
[10:49] <Biro_2> how can i disable automont? thanks
[10:53] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:54] <burbs> howdy
[10:58] <Rayman> kplayer seems nice.
[10:58] <Rayman> too bad it's not in the dapper repos, at least.
[10:58] <Rayman> ah. seems like a dead project
[10:59] <tzanger> anyone have any idea why I can't get my Atheros abg card to come up?  It recognizes it, but I can't seem to enable the interface... it goes green checkmark for a second or two and then jumps back to red X.  running iwconfig or kwirelessmonitor manually has a 50/50 chance (maybe not that high) of soft-hanging the system
[10:59] <tzanger> (i.e. kill -9 is my only way to get the shell back)
[11:01] <captainbraille> Where are icons located on the computer? And how can I find the website icon (like the small birds on blue from OpenOffice.org) to use on my K Menu?
[11:07] <souldaddy> aha, stupid question i'm sure.... but i'm trying to download nvidia drivers for linux, how can i find out which linux i have?  the yhave IA32, IA64.  im imagine the 32/64 represent the bit of your processor?
[11:07] <souldaddy> i imagine*
[11:07] <nalioth> ubotu: tell souldaddy about nvidia
[11:09] <tibs01> ello people
[11:10] <tibs01> whats the best package to sort out hard drive mounts
[11:10] <tibs01> and whats the best package to install webcam drivers ?
[11:10] <ompaul> tibs01, define hard drive mounts - there are a few ways that could be seen
[11:11] <tibs01> ok
[11:11] <tibs01> i have done an update
[11:11] <tibs01> just installed this
[11:11] <tibs01> with kde
[11:11] <tibs01> and ive lost all my mounts in storage media
[11:12] <tibs01> i can't via hda1
[11:12] <tibs01> hdb2 is not mounted cos its windows partition
[11:13] <ompaul> you can't "what goes here" via hda1?
[11:13] <ompaul> okay, guess you figured that all out
[11:20] <souldaddy> heh, nalioth, i'm hung up on the first step.  it says to go system, then administration, then Synaptic Package Manager.  i cant find the package manager, or really the administration icon in system even =/
[11:21] <tibs01> what can i do
[11:21] <tibs01> what package can i use to auto reenable my mounts ?
[11:22] <frank__> souldaddy: the equivalent to synaptic in kubuntu is adept
[11:22] <frank__> !windowsdrives
[11:22] <ubotu> methinks windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions or see http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[11:23] <ompaul> !ntfs
[11:23] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:24] <tibs01> its ntfs
[11:25] <souldaddy> ahh, sweet frank__  thanks
[11:25] <noirequus> souldaddy: type alt-f2 > kdesu adept
[11:25] <frank__> souldaddy: np.  you can use adept to install synaptic if you want. I like synaptic better
[11:26] <ompaul> !pl
[11:26] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu.pl
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[11:27] <tibs01> 100%[[11:27] <tibs01> 22:27:04 (116.91 KB/s) - `diskmounter' saved [4864/4864] 
[11:28] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$ ls
[11:28] <tibs01> Desktop  diskmounter  qce-ga-0.40d  titties.jpg
[11:28] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$ cd ./diskmounter
[11:28] <tibs01> bash: cd: ./diskmounter: Not a directory
[11:28] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$ ./diskmounter
[11:28] <tibs01> bash: ./diskmounter: Permission denied
[11:28] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$
[11:28] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$
[11:28] <tibs01> thats what program im getting
[11:28] <noteventime> !pastebin
[11:28] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[11:29] <tibs01> ok
[11:29] <noirequus> tibs01: it's considered rude to paste into irc channels
[11:29] <tibs01> ok
[11:29] <tibs01> whats the best program to install a webcam ?
[11:29] <frank__> tibs01: what kind of file is it? diskmounter is a text file (a script)
[11:30] <tibs01> thats ok
[11:30] <tibs01> i done it
[11:30] <ompaul> sudo ./diskmounter
[11:30] <tibs01> erm
[11:30] <tibs01> done :)
[11:30] <tibs01> cheers
[11:30] <tibs01> erm
[11:30] <ompaul> !enter
[11:30] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[11:31] <Tm_T> erm
[11:31] <tibs01> apart from floppy ive lost hda and hdb in the storage media window
[11:31] <tibs01> n the cd
[11:31] <captainbraille> How do I move an icon I made into the directory "/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps"  that is the right directory right?
[11:32] <tibs01> ok
[11:32] <tibs01> how do i instal a driver for my webcam ?
[11:33] <souldaddy> aha frank__ :  so i just used adept to install synaptic... now how do i find/access synaptic :(
[11:33] <souldaddy> oh nm i got it
[11:34] <simian> why is it that when i launch adept from the menu it just hangs permently but when I run it from the comand line 'kdesu adept' it runs fine?
[11:35] <captainbraille> How do I move an icon I made into the directory "/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps"  that is the right directory right?
[11:36] <mornfall> simian: you asked twice already
[11:37] <slow-motion> n8
[11:38] <simian> mornfall: yaeh i asked yesterday too. i was just hoping that someone would know the answer
[11:39] <simian> mornfall: is it a known problem or is it just specific to me
[11:39] <souldaddy> how do you know what version of linux you're using?   like where can i find that out
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> souldaddy: "uname -a" will show your kernel version
[11:41] <ompaul> souldaddy, there is this: uname -a  and this: cat /etc/issue
[11:41] <noirequus> souldaddy: in a konsole, type "cat /etc/issue"
[11:41] <tibs01> ok
[11:41] <tibs01> thats my mount done
[11:41] <tibs01> how do i get my webcam working
[11:41] <tibs01> its a logitech quickcam
[11:42] <_kevin> how do you copy files to a different location with konsole?
[11:43] <souldaddy> aha, well i mean... i think it smore specific than that.  like i'm looking through the synaptic thing at the available linux drivers and they aren't 'flavor' specific
[11:43] <souldaddy> its like a kernal version or something
[11:43] <KaoticEvil> _kevin: like this: cp <oldfile> <newfile>
[11:43] <tibs01> its a logitech quickcam express
[11:43] <reconciliation> cp [source]  [destination]  ::: read the man page
[11:43] <tibs01> usb
[11:43] <KaoticEvil> souldaddy: as i said: uname -a will give you the kernel version
[11:44] <souldaddy> oh
[11:44] <rysiek|pl> KaoticEvil: actually, uname -r will suffice
[11:44] <noirequus> ubotu: tell _kevin about cli
[11:44] <souldaddy> didn't see what you said, sorry
[11:44] <ompaul> !webcam
[11:44] <ubotu> webcam is, like, now easy to install, per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam - webcam support soon to be available in amsn and gaim-vv.
[11:44] <_kevin> KaoticEvil: thanks, how do I copy it into a different folder?
[11:44] <noirequus> souldaddy: anything you see in synaptic is available for your usage
[11:44] <simian> good night all :)
[11:45] <rysiek|pl> _kevin: cp <filepath> <newfilepath>
[11:45] <KaoticEvil> _kevin: add the directory name in front of <newfile> as in: cp /home/user/foo.bar /home/user/data/foo.bar
[11:45] <rysiek|pl> cu simian
[11:45] <KaoticEvil> rysiek|pl: does that only print the kernel version?
[11:46] <_kevin> thanks for the help! =)
[11:47] <rysiek|pl> KaoticEvil: 2.6.12-10-k7 -> aye, only the version :)
[11:48] <tibs01> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[11:48] <tibs01> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[11:48] <tibs01> that package should be filed.
[11:48] <tibs01> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[11:48] <tibs01> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:48] <ompaul> !paste
[11:48] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[11:48] <tibs01>   easycam2: Depends: camorama but it is not installable
[11:48] <tibs01> E: Broken packages
[11:52] <souldaddy> ok 1 more question.  how do i log in as the root?  i never setup the root user, ala a password
[11:52] <noirequus> souldaddy: that is a bad idea.
[11:52] <Kyral> !sudo
[11:52] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[11:52] <noirequus> souldaddy: read that ^^^^
[11:53] <souldaddy> hm
[11:55] <souldaddy> ah, these tutorials are just driving me nuts i guess.  i read through them do what they say, but none of the menus are even similar
[11:55] <souldaddy> or the options even
[11:55] <souldaddy> =/
[11:55] <rysiek|pl> souldaddy: although I still prefer the good ol' "su" ;)
[11:55] <souldaddy> like in this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto i open up my synaptic and do what it says, and i dont get the same menu
[11:56] <rysiek|pl> are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[11:56] <souldaddy> kubuntu
[11:56] <souldaddy> but shouldn't synaptic be the same?
[11:57] <souldaddy> i'm TOTALLY new to linux.  so i'm sorry if these questions just sound ridiculously newby
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[11:58] <djk_> noirequus: why would having a root account be a bad idea?
[11:58] <noirequus> ubotu tell djk_ about root
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> souldaddy: it should be the same, but maybe it's a different version than the one the HowTop was originally written for
[11:59] <Tm_T> good night comrades, behave nice ;) ->
[11:59] <djk_> err.. noirequus not every one is a noob here, i know you're used to them.
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> cu
[11:59] <noirequus> souldaddy: you should cut to the chase and edit your /etc/apt/sources.list with a text editor (the instructions are in the wiki page)
[11:59] <Kyral> Well
[11:59] <andrewski> does anyone know which package is responsible for the boot image?  i'm actually trying to remove kubuntu, but it still boots up with the blue image.
[12:00] <Kyral> Compiz works
[12:00] <djk_> noirequus: the question was, why is it a bad idea in your opinion.
[12:00] <Kyral> just no window decos
[12:00] <noirequus> djk_: it is explained on that page quite nicely.
[12:00] <Kyral> the so called "kde-window-decorator" doesn't work
[12:01] <djk_> noirequus: actually it is not..
[12:01] <rysiek|pl> andrewski: usplash-artwork, I guess
[12:01] <ompaul> djk_, well the thing is that if you want to ask that you should do so in a *-offtopic and remember that noone is obliged to answer, the thing is we provide support to the various *ubuntu distros the way they are made and have read the page sent to you and agree with its conclusions
[12:01] <djk_> noirequus: it's just a bunch of 'yay, sudo is great'-sentences :)
[12:02] <rysiek|pl> andrewski: look at the USplashCustomizationHowTo wiki page
[12:02] <ompaul> djk_, that is taking it a bit far, it never says yay