=== carlos [n=carlos@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netstar [n=al@d58-104-40-248.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] How does dapper play video DVDs? [01:01] it doesn't [01:01] without extra stuff not in ubuntu [01:01] What stuff? [01:01] :P === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] i can't remember, i watch DVDs on my DVD player :P [01:01] this is off-topic for #ubuntu-devel though [01:02] You're right, I'm being lazy [01:04] what you watch DVDs? your supposed to be working on Ubuntu ;-) === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] LaserJock: shh [01:11] Amaranth: don't worry I won't tell if you don't [01:18] Does anyone know intersting upstream projects that use trac for project management? === _lemsx1_ [n=lemsx1@p86-65.acedsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] <_lemsx1_> i had to remove all the fglrx packages and force remove the libmesa1 one [01:25] <_lemsx1_> now everything is fine [01:26] _lemsx1_: at least you could remove it, i just helped someone who couldn't remove, reinstall, or anything === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@a207204.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] <_lemsx1_> Amaranth: ouch... well, mv -f always works ;-) [01:32] <_lemsx1_> does anybody knows if there is any serious bug in mount? [01:33] <_lemsx1_> i lost my /dev/hdb1 driver (xfs formated) for no particular reason... that's a spare drive, so, it doesn't bother me much [01:33] <_lemsx1_> when i try to mount it i get a: mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/shared busy [01:33] <_lemsx1_> i'll ask in #ubuntu just to see if somebody knows [01:35] Anyone with glibc experience. Seems my patch wasn't ready afterall, as debian/rules build fails with an undefined reference [01:37] Fjodor, I've had my fun with glibc hacking - how big is the patch? === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.10.65.233.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@c-67-174-173-18.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] Rather large. Basically, it's Suse's patches from AMD, but taken from a gentoo bug report about adding them to gentoo. I worked out the parts of the patch that didn't make it, made the patch, and now tried debian/rules build. It fails with ref. to __copysign, that I know is defined somewhere in fpu, but it seems that dir isn't touched yet when it fails [01:40] I'll be glad to send it to you, if you like [01:40] The gentoo page is http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100289 [01:43] I've put the patch in http://daimi.au.dk/~u983179/glibc-2.3.6-amd-patches.patch.bz2 [01:45] It is against the build_tree gotten from debian/rules unpack and debian/rules patch === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:59] Seveas: Any ideas? [02:00] Fjodor, not yet [02:01] I'll poke some more at it tomorrow, but don't have an amd64 to test [02:01] can you put your buildlog online? [02:01] Please excuse my impatience. It does not reflect ingratitude :-) [02:01] Sure, how? [02:02] And if you need a machine, I can give you an account on mine, though it is going offline soon for the night. It's 0202am here [02:02] As for how, I mean what file of course [02:02] <_ion> seveas: Finnish .jp fans on IRC always get provoked when someone uses that as a smiley. [02:03] _ion, should I care? [02:03] Fjodor, same TZ here - i'm off in less than 10 minutes [02:03] <_ion> seveas: No. [02:04] _ion, ok [02:04] Fair enough then, but where is the build log saved? [02:04] dpkg-buildpackge -rfakeroot | tee buildlog [02:04] dpkg-buildpackge -rfakeroot 2>&1 | tee buildlog [02:05] I'll move the patch and upload the log to http://daimi.au.dk/~u983179/glibc [02:05] noted - off to bed now [02:05] bye [02:05] Bye, and thanks [02:05] <_ion> Good night. [02:10] Hmmm, build-package removes the build-tree dir that I patched. How do I tell it to reapply my patch? [02:10] ls [02:10] <_ion> Does the package use cdbs? [02:11] cdbs? [02:13] <_ion> glibc doesn't seem to use it. (tarball.mk in cdbs uses a 'build-tree' directory, that's why i asked.) [02:13] <_ion> You should save the diff to debian/patches/number-patchname.patch [02:13] <_ion> Look at the other patches in that directory. [02:14] Only four are with numbers [02:14] <_ion> The number in the beginning is just a convention. They are applied in an alphabetical order. [02:15] I shouldn't add it to 00list.amd64? [02:17] <_ion> You should do what has been done with the other patches. I haven't looked at the glibc source package, and different packages might use different patch systems. Some use dpatch, etc. [02:17] Ok. But thanks === kaka [i=opera@221.236.201.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jamal__ [n=Travis@bal-broadband2-ws-14.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] anyone see this? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Center_Pre-Alpha_Released_-_Web_Based_Ubuntu_Control === netstar [n=al@d58-104-40-248.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] <_ion> Eww, PHP. [02:45] what do you like? [02:45] perl? [02:45] I gotta go eat [02:45] later [02:47] <_ion> Perl definitely isn't as ugly as PHP, but i like Python and love Ruby. [02:47] he left [02:48] i like ruby myself, too bad it's not as good at being a glue language as python === rob [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] can someone tell me who maintains xorg currently? === Astinus [i=alex@freenode/staff/gentoo.astinus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] If anyone other than Seveas wants to take alook at this amd64-optimized glibc, look in http://daimi.au.dk/~u983179/glibc === kaka [i=opera@221.236.201.201] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-74-99.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-121-94.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holy_cow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont2 [n=mitzi@mitzi.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont2 is now known as mitzi_ === mitzi_ grumbles at dapper.. === mitzi_ is now known as lamont2 [05:20] "The system adiminstrator has disabled access to the system temporarily." [05:20] I wouldn't mind that so much if it would turn off eventually === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Travis_ [n=Travis@bal-broadband2-ws-14.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Travis_ [n=Travis@bal-broadband2-ws-14.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-121-94.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] lamont, when does that show up? [06:03] it shows up when you have ldap passwd/shadow/group, and completely break it [06:03] aha! [06:03] i have yet to try that [06:03] breaking it? I recommend against that... [06:03] naw, testing is good, i got lotsa boxes and vmware instances [06:21] holy_cow: this was my main desktop, you see.... 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[10:19] oh, nm. my bad, somehow got texinfo uninstalled === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] The path 'file:///store_00010001/DCIM/100K7630' is not absolute. [10:40] Looks absolute to me. [10:40] when trying to download pics from the SD card i just bought for my camera [10:40] using the internal memory is quite fine [10:41] morning all [10:41] desrt: url unaware program [10:42] lifeless; uhm? [10:42] to a url unaware program file:/// is not absolute [10:42] lifeless; the program generated this url for itself [10:42] desrt: the bug is in malone [10:42] ajmitch; awesome. got a # for me? === desrt was just about to file it :) [10:43] desrt: score one for that program [10:43] desrt: you didn't search for it? :) [10:43] bug #34077 [10:43] Malone bug 34077 in gthumb "Can't import photos: The path is not absolute"" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/34077 [10:43] I'm assuming that's what you're seeing? [10:44] i found it :p === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] ajmitch; i searched... but i'm quite ineffective when it comes to launchpad [10:46] i searched for 'path is not absolute' and libgnomeprint and subversion came up :p === ajmitch just searched his bug mail folder, far more efficient :) [10:49] sad but true [10:49] today was fun [10:49] i hacked up an ubuntu livecd for a group project === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-249-148.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] man === desrt goes to bed for 2hours [11:01] desrt: tired? [11:01] yes. [11:01] final presentation tomorrow :p [11:01] sleep tight! [11:01] nite. === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] goddamit, i'm starting to hate reading peoples opinions about linux/windows/mac/newbuser needs/poweruser needs [11:17] holy_cow: hmm? [11:17] its like listening to chicks gossping, none of it makes any sense and none of it is even remotely well thought out, never mind researched [11:18] it is important to respect peoples opinions, as they can tell you important things === ozamosi_ is now known as ozamosi [11:18] Burgundavia, i have been a firm believer in that, my faith is starting to slip :/ [11:18] but sometimes people mixed up what they need with what they thyink they need [11:18] and how they think they are going to get what they did [11:19] i think that fundamentally humans have processing units between their ears that are not designed for complex thought === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@125.212.73.59] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@a207204.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga_ [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chiddy [n=chiddy@69-162-17-32.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p54895C72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-64-134.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC_ [n=janc@dD577040E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2A0D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] _ion, *hug* [12:22] nm+wpa works [12:22] where? [12:22] Seveas: great news ^^ [12:22] how? [12:22] Seveas: you could say that to me as well, you know ^^ [12:22] just a quick remark: in your postinst you should do a source /etc/default/wpasupplicant and warn if ENABLED=1 [12:23] giftnudel: wait a lill'...you'll hear all about it later ;) [12:23] because that will mess up nm [12:24] now to find the 802.1x patch and apply it [12:24] because itherwise nm is still useless to me ^_^ [12:25] Seveas: if you find it, please send it to mario dot danic at gmail dot com [12:25] ok? === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] bien sr, mon ami [12:26] Seveas: is there a wiki dokumenting that? [12:26] siretart: yup [12:26] Seveas: I'd like to try it out next week, after my test [12:26] where? [12:26] Pygi, can tell more [12:27] ion_ made very nice packages [12:27] siteart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperNetworkManager [12:27] thanks [12:27] you need a new wpasupplicant, new NM/NM-applet and possible a new l-r-m (if you use atheros) [12:27] siretart, Seveas: but we are still do do a lill' modifications, to the repos and the wiki [12:28] siretart: the wiki will be updated today, same with repos [12:28] Pygi: I'll join your work on wednesday [12:29] siretart: k, great... [12:29] now only Seveas to find that 802.1x patch ;) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] Pygi, http://rlove.org/log/2006/Feb === Pygi is either blind, or I can't find patch there ;) [12:31] no, a screenshot [12:32] friggen hell [12:32] it's already in ther === Seveas blind [12:32] Seveas: ah, I was testing new n-m as well ;) [12:32] this is really, really cool [12:33] Seveas: now all we have to do is get it into dapper ;) [12:33] testing, a lot of testing first ofcourse [12:33] Pygi, I'll be testing WPA and EAP/TTLS [12:33] Seveas: k, great ;) I am testing WPA as well ... [12:34] urgh [12:34] ok, this sucks: NM constantly scans [12:34] which is bad in case of madwifi which can't do background scans [12:34] hm [12:34] and thus my connection is gone for a second (kills no connections but is still annoying as hell) [12:35] madwifi-ng can do background scans [12:35] perhaps we could write a workaround for that? :-/ [12:35] dunno [12:35] yup, but we can't use the -ng [12:35] Seveas: you can ask NM to just scan when it doesn't have a connection. [12:35] Mithrandir, cool - where? [12:36] Seveas: unsure; my laptop is in my backpack and I'm too lazy to go fetch it. :-) [12:37] Seveas: I just know you can make it. Browse with gconf-editor, possibly? [12:37] that option should definitely be on by default - more network cards break [12:37] hmm, sounds like a plan [12:37] hmm, no n-m in /apps [12:37] maybe we could make it scan when you open the menu? [12:38] (or when it loses the connection) [12:38] that would be ideal [12:38] (well, ideally drivers don't break during a scan) [12:38] Seveas: yup, but we can't really influence the drivers, unless it is possible to write a workaround [12:39] Seveas: upstream still considers madwifi-old to be more stable than madiwifi-ng [12:39] siretart, no surprise, madwifi-ng is buggy as hell [12:40] I see [12:40] madwifi bug 444 [12:40] Madwifi bug 444 in madwifi: driver "Madwifi does not work with NetworkManager and WPA" [Enhancement,Assigned] http://madwifi.org/ticket/444 [12:40] (I added trac support to Ubugtu) [12:40] nice [12:40] and have been swearing for an hour at debbugs [12:41] why? [12:41] it is NOT possible to de reliable machine reading [12:41] use the LDAP interface. [12:41] can't search on ID [12:41] aba is planning to fix that $soon [12:42] but in the mean time it's not possible to do reliable machine reading [12:43] Pygi, hmm - riddle me this [12:44] nm-applet says wireless strength 38%, netstatus-applet says 79% [12:44] i had to wait a few seconds for nm to catch up with reality [12:44] or more exactly, always twice as much as nm-applet says [12:45] Link Quality=38/94 Signal level=-57 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm [12:45] ok, netstatus-applet is weird [12:45] Seveas: definetly it is ;) [12:45] netstatus-applet being weird, that is ;) [12:45] ah well, good riddance === mb_ [n=mb@p54B2A0D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] with the new icon it's too big anyway [12:45] 0.6.1 from the wiki page works nicely for me, fwiw [12:46] Have they fixed the status reporting to be consistent then? (dB vs percentage) [12:46] (in-kernel) [12:46] tseng: yup, great ;) but we need to update the page and repos today ;) === mb_ is now known as giftnudel [12:47] once we call for a wider testing, please post all your experiences to the -devel list ^_^ || especially if it doesn't work, and what exactly doesn't work [12:48] will do [12:49] Seveas: thx === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] Seveas: If you can backport the background scanning from -ng to -old, I'll (very) happily include it, but I've not had the time to even look at it (and would have no way to test it) [12:51] Seveas: We're also investigating some cleverly hackish ways to ship both -old and -ng (though -old would still be the default for everyone except a select few PCI IDs that just plain NEED -ng) [12:51] infinity: what's your wiki page, so I could link to it as you are a contributor at dappernm wiki [12:51] Pygi: If I have one, it probably has very ltitle interesting info on it. [12:51] infinity: ah, kk [12:51] Seveas: you're using madwifi? [12:52] Pygi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdamConrad <-- Very obviously out of date and useless. [12:52] Seveas: then netstat-applet is right. on madwifi, the 38 is not to be read as percentage, but as RSSI. [12:53] infinity: hm... perhaps we could include part of -ng code inside the old one, and make an internal switch that we could pass, so it would use -old or -ng, depending on the switch? :-/ === Pygi thinks that is higly unlikely to happen, and probably impossible [12:54] Pygi: Not really doable, no. [12:54] infinity: yup, I thought so... [12:56] siretart, ah ok [12:56] so more is broken in madwifi === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-79-232.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] http://lwn.net/Articles/175976/ [01:16] interesting [01:16] combination live/install cd from mandriva [01:19] Seveas: well, it's not really broken, but a different semantic. To get the number 79%, divide the 56 (or something, this depends on your particular machine) by 38 [01:19] Seveas: IOW, thats intended by madwifi upstream and not considered as a bug [01:19] urgh [01:22] (Alternately, one could say it's a buggy driver for presenting data to userspace COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY than the other drivers, but hey, just blame userspace, that's easier) [01:22] madwifi's "oh, standards aren't important, we'll just do whatever" stance can be annoying. [01:26] infinity, exactly, they say WEXT 18/19 compliance is just an enhancement... [01:27] Seveas: well, if it's really important, I guess it wouldn't be to hard to change that... [01:28] Pygi, it's a cosmetic issue, presumably netstat-applet has fixed^Wworked around it and nm-applet not [01:28] Seveas: hm, well..should we leave it that way or...? [01:31] If i can cook up a patch really quickly I'll send it, otherwise I wouldn't bother [01:31] Pygi: Special-case it for madwifi (like to many other things in NM) so it's "correct". [01:31] It's not difficult to do, just a pain to have to do it. [01:32] infinity: understandable... [01:32] Seveas: k, great...you know the mail ^_^ [01:32] dennis@mirage:~/temp/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0$ grep -i madwifi -R . [01:32] dennis@mirage:~/temp/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0$ [01:32] dennis@mirage:~/temp/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0$ grep -i madwifi -R . [01:32] dennis@mirage:~/temp/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0$ [01:32] hmm... [01:33] duh [01:33] als het de 1e keer niet werkt werkt het de 2e keer ook niet ;) [01:33] misschien staat er 'atheros' ? [01:33] Treenaks, EN [01:33] not NL [01:33] Oops === Treenaks is on too many channels [01:34] Seveas: ath_pci [01:34] ah: ./netstatus-sysdeps.c: g_strncasecmp (iface, "ath", 3) && [01:34] so.. maybe you're looking for the wrong string :) === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D4410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] hmm, I see no special casing for atheros/madwifi... === cris [n=cris@200.103.130.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cris [n=cris@200.103.130.246] has left #ubuntu-devel ["vou] === greenpenguin13 [n=joseph@user-7302.lns4-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang glances at turbogears. === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] now that nm supports wpa, is there a chance that it will get vpn support? [02:04] giftnudel: once it stabilises upstream, sure [02:04] giftnudel: but not for dapper [02:05] is there an easy way to add that, or do you have to recompile everything [02:08] giftnudel: it is not even sure that nm will get into dapper [02:09] s/nm/nm 0.6/ [02:09] nm is already in dapper. [02:09] yes, nm 0.6 [02:09] sorry infinity, by n-m I reffer to 0.6 [02:10] Anyhow, the VPN issue has less to do with upstream stability and more to do with a complete lack of reasonable integration of the debian/ubuntu NM backend with the VPN stuff, I'd assume. [02:11] Oh, and the fact that much of its cleverness relies on having a loacl nameserver that supports views, like bind9. [02:11] (Well, exactly like bind9 right now, since the backend doesn't know how to drive others) [02:12] Hacking on NSS violently to get it to support local views natively, so you don't need a fullblown nameserver to do so would be a Very Good (and fun) project for someone. [02:13] 'hacking on NSS' scares people. 'violently' even more... [02:13] Well, yes, that had occurred to me. [02:14] NSS modules don't look that hard to write, though. [02:14] You shouldn't need to abuse the libc resolver directly to get the behaviour you want, I don't think.. [02:16] infinity: perhaps, but there is no way to do that for dapper ;) [02:16] guys, is autostart .desktop supported in gnome 2.12? [02:17] or new for 2.14 [02:17] No, for dapper, if you want the VPN stuff you'd have to recompile the package and install bind9 [02:17] infinity: but perhaps, if situation fixes itself for dapper+1, we could do it for then [02:18] perhaps -ng and new wpasupplicant will be way stable then ^_^ === Pygi hopes so, but that is unlikely to be true :-/ [02:18] madwifi-ng is stabilising a bit, but it'll be a long, hard road. [02:19] yup, understandable...and probably not ready for dapper+1 [02:19] When I publihed packages for testing, I only got about a 50% success rate from testers, which wasn't promising. === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] That was 2 months ago now. [02:20] we've got 90% success rate for this packages we've built. but not many people tried it...and that one that failed, done so by his own mistake [02:20] I can publish a new SVN snapshot and call for wider testing again, but I fear it wouldn't go terribly well. [02:20] that's a good rate, I would say ;) [02:21] Besides, it's way too late in the release cycle to consider a switch anyway, I tihnk. [02:21] infinity: hm, perhaps after dapper is published? [02:21] infinity: yup, most probably [02:21] After dapper is published, I'll switch to -ng unconditionally anyway, and we'll see how many bug we can shake out during the dapper+1 cycle. [02:21] If I HAVE to switch back, I will, but I don't plan on it. [02:22] infinity: if we are to consider switching to -ng, with our patches included, count me in to help writing patches === Pygi is gonna try to maintain WLAN stuff in Ubuntu now, since he already started with it ;) [02:22] Well, on June 2nd, I'll switch to madwifi-ng. :) [02:23] So, if you want to contribute fixes at that point, feel free. [02:23] I don't currently own any atheros hardware, so I'm flying blind most of the time, and counting on user feedback. [02:23] I had to get one few days back, just to test the packages we've built [02:24] _ion: have you finally woke up? ^_^ [02:25] infinity: will the dapper+1 daily images be built since June 2nd, or are we going to wait *some time*? === Pygi forgot how we did it before :-/ [02:26] btw. we have 4 months or so for dapper+1 most probably? [02:27] is dapper's Xorg patched somehow to make DRI work, that would make it stop working under Xorg-air? [02:28] Pygi: Not sure when we'll open the archive for dapper+1... Could be a 1-week "cooling off" period before we open the floodgates for syncs, merges, and new uploads. [02:29] Seveas: Are you awake? [02:29] Fjodor, yeah [02:30] Did you want an account on my machine for hacking the glibc thing? [02:30] may be useful [02:30] oh, and btw, nm 0.6 from the wiki works flawlessly for me [02:30] 2 secs === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] Fjodor, I think you need some makefile tweaking [02:31] Ok [02:31] that symbol that is missing used to be defined in an S file and now is defined in a c file - no makefiles have been changed and I don't know if the glibc makefile trickery picks it up automatically [02:32] Ah. Seems reasonable [02:32] it may very well do that automagically (glibc Makefile is really tricky) === HiddenPuppy [n=HiddenWo@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] giftnudel: great, but the info is currently obsolete ;) === bddebian [n=bddebian@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === towolf_ [n=towolf@p54BF2686.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] salve, i've been running nm from cvs since ages but i'd like to help populating the v0.6 testing database with the pkgs Pygi announced on the forums === towolf_ owns a plain old centrino book [03:12] towolf_: great, but please wait until me and _ion announce new packages, and update wiki === Gloubiboulga is now known as Gloubiboulga|Aw [03:12] fine [03:12] we'll call for wider testing today, that [03:12] towolf_: thanks ^^ [03:14] darn [03:15] I've just realised that I cannot fix a bug without ngettext that takes two numeric arguments and is expanded to a [N] [N] array of strings (where N is num-plurals) === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A6134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenPuppy [n=HiddenWo@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ is now known as j^ === dborg [n=daniel@e182053179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenPuppy [n=HiddenWo@136.234.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.242.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mcquaid [i=mcquaid@toronto-hs-216-138-233-79.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] hello, my gf4 burnt out and i've had to go back to my old voodoo3 [04:17] i can't get dri working with this card [04:17] i've since upgraded to dapper hoping it might resolve some issues [04:18] i'm still in the same boat and i notcied a new file available: libgl1-mesa-glide3 [04:18] I'm trying to determine what that file is for exactly [04:18] is that for using dri via the tdfx driver or is it using the older (outdated?) glide driver which is not recommended [04:19] i was going to install it to try it but it flags a lot of seemingly unrelated stuff for removal [04:19] stuff like kdebase-dev libkonq4-dev libsdl-dev etc [04:20] according to the xorg logs, dri is enabled [04:20] but glxinfo states it's not [04:21] so from what i've read this is a userspace setup issue [04:22] i've googled and search the forums to no end but i just found other voodoo users with the same/similar problem === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@211.91.14.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p54895C72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] see topic [04:39] i realize this is normally not for end user support [04:39] _ion: do not refuse to wake up... abrakadabra, wake up [04:39] but no other end users i've encountered have a clue about voodoo cards [04:40] mcquaid: file a support ticket in launchpad. this channel is not for support at all [04:40] ok [04:40] mcquaid: you also have forums === HiddenPuppy [n=HiddenWo@136.120.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bSON [n=denis@p54828101.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] hi [04:51] does the ubuntu x.org server have the aiglx extensions? [04:51] bSON: no. [04:51] ok [04:53] xserver-xorg-air-core is in universe [04:55] Amaranth: but you can't make use of it without a composite-enabled metacity and stuff, can you? [04:55] bSON: spiftacity is in universe too [04:55] spiftacity? [04:55] the name alone. :S [04:55] metacity with the compositor enabled [04:55] metacity with the compositor enabled [04:55] heh [04:56] cool [04:56] mjg59: you where eager for some ehm, bling in dapper? ;) [04:56] were [04:57] Amaranth: and xair will tell me that all renedering is disabled? [04:57] too bad neither one of them appears to work with ppc [04:57] bSON: sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/Xorg-air /usr/bin/X [04:57] bSON: then restart X [04:57] Amaranth: nor most of the drivers, so the pain is everywhere [04:58] HiddenPuppy: I have a 9200, the one that's supposed to have the best support [04:58] radeon 9200, that is [04:58] I should've never tossed that one out. =) [04:58] Amaranth: i guess i'll have to replace my gnome session's metacity with spiftacity [04:58] bSON: no [04:58] bSON: spiftacity --replace [04:58] ok, good [04:58] then you need to set a gconf key, but i don't remember what it is [04:58] that's what i meant... [04:59] Is anyone here familiar with the innards of the networking system? [04:59] oh, i thought you meant permanently [05:00] Amaranth: i already tried xgl and compiz, now i want to give aiglx a chance :) [05:00] bSON: it's not as shiny but at least it doesn't run two xservers [05:01] and someone on the forums has some packages for compiz and aiglx with the changes needed to make them work together [05:01] Amaranth: well, wobbly windows will come back soon, then i don't care which of the two i use ;) [05:01] so then you get the shiny and the lower memory usage [05:01] yeah [05:02] lets do the X restart... [05:03] wtf [05:03] *chuckle* === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] X fails to access /dev/dri/card0 twice, then it suddenly works [05:03] Right, i'm going nuts here === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] I took my router out of the connection, fired up pppoeconf, get a perfectly working ppp0, but ubuntu insists on timing out on eth0 === bSON [n=denis@p54828101.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] hi [05:05] (WW) RADEON(0): Video BIOS not detected, using default clock settings! <--annoying [05:05] Amaranth: Xorg-air can't find the drm module for fglrx... === Amaranth stops [05:05] bSON: err [05:05] aiglx only works with open-source drivers [05:05] oh... [05:05] open source radeon driver only, right? [05:06] until nvidia and ati add GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap to their drivers [05:07] it's shown in glxinfo on my Xgl [05:07] that's because Xgl provides it [05:08] which works with that because it's a seperate server [05:08] my radeon 9600 xt has no 3d acceletation with the radeon driver... [05:08] or some crap [05:08] Amaranth: oh [05:08] bSON: when did you try last? [05:08] there is support for r300 cards in the open-source driver [05:08] it's just not done [05:08] after installing dapper flight 4 === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] Amaranth: at least option "RenderAccel" didn't work [05:11] but did you see if 3d worked? [05:11] doesn't matter though, i know the r300 driver doesn't work with aiglx [05:13] bSON, do you have the dri driver working for ati? [05:13] dunno, i'll have to try [05:14] do this: export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose [05:14] then run glxinfo [05:14] should i maybe try to use "accelmethod" exa? [05:16] mcquaid: with the "ati" driver? or "radeon"? [05:17] i believe that's with the ati driver only [05:19] I wonder what the future of aiglx and xgl is. Something like "use aiglx if possible, fallback to xgl, then xorg" [05:20] probably [05:20] til xgl learns to run on its own [05:32] how can i choose the used dri driver? [05:32] is that done automatically? === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d8-53.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bSON [n=denis@p54828101.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] bobbens: no success [05:48] oh, wrong channel... === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.199.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] <_ion> pygi: The spell you cast worked with a slight delay. [05:56] _ion: ion, great ;) [05:56] we have so much to do now you know, [05:56] first of all, read your mails [05:57]