[12:42] <LaserJock> I suppose it is bad if you can't figure out where somebody got the source for their package
[12:49] <minghua> bad for "somebody", I think ;-)
[12:51] <LaserJock> I was going to do a UVF exception request
[01:34] <LaserJock> is there a REVU admin around?
[01:57] <LaserJock> hmm, so if a .orig.tar.gz is half the size of the downloaded source tarball it isn't a good thing, right?
[01:59] <crimsun> pretty much
[02:00] <LaserJock> doko_: ping?
[02:00] <Se7h> LaserJock thats just cus the downloaded source has the 'build' inside it
[02:00] <crimsun> that's horrible, then
[02:01] <Se7h> ye, doesnt make much sense
[02:01] <crimsun> strip the 'build' and repackage the upstream as a foo.dfsg
[02:01] <LaserJock> but it also had the doc apparently that is causing the FTBFS
[02:02] <Se7h> i can rebuild that tarball easily
[02:02] <Se7h> (/and upload it)
[02:03] <Se7h> im just not getting why the pbuilder is still using the old 'rules' file once i modified it
[02:03] <crimsun> is there a rules.in?
[02:03] <LaserJock> no
[02:03] <crimsun> url?
[02:04] <Se7h> LaserJock i just need to modify the 'mv foo/doc' to something else
[02:04] <LaserJock> for what? the package is spe
[02:05] <Se7h> include the doc dir and modify the path the script uses
[02:05] <LaserJock> well, I'm assuming that doko didn't want to include the docs. I'm not sure
[02:06] <Se7h> and im sure he just 'setup.py build' it
[02:06] <Se7h> :p
[02:06] <LaserJock> but it is still not working here
[02:07] <Se7h> just tell me why pbuilder isnt using the modified rules file
[02:08] <LaserJock> are you sure you rebuilt the source package?
[02:08] <crimsun> (I still don't have any idea which package you're referring to)
[02:08] <LaserJock> spe
[02:08] <LaserJock> but it isn't very clean (.ex files about) and it FTBFS in a couple spots
[02:10] <Se7h> cant u build a source package  with a binary ?
[02:10] <Se7h> lol
[02:10] <crimsun> upid 1520?
[02:12] <minghua> Hmm, someone wants to fork ubuntu
[02:12] <Kyral> oh?
[02:12] <Kyral> who
[02:12] <minghua> and hi crimsun and Kyral
[02:12] <crimsun> 'lo ming
[02:12] <Kyral> yo
[02:12] <minghua> Kyral: -devel list
[02:12] <Kyral> minghua, I haven't checked my mail all week and won't until I get back to school tomorrow
[02:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: did you abandon packaging spe ?
[02:13] <Kyral> spe?
[02:13] <Kyral> sounds familier
[02:13] <LaserJock> from Jan. 17thu
[02:13] <LaserJock> you uploaded it to REVU
[02:14] <Kyral> you having FTBFS issues?
[02:14] <Kyral> I mean you can do it if you want...
[02:14] <LaserJock> yeah, but of the packaging kind so far
[02:14] <Kyral> You can take my work I don't mind
[02:14] <LaserJock> there is already a source package newer than your's in Ubuntu
[02:14] <LaserJock> but it FTBFS
[02:15] <Kyral> I'm effectively out of this release cycle
[02:15] <LaserJock> I was just wondering if we should nuke yours
[02:15] <Kyral> go ahead
[02:15] <Kyral> It seems like I will be out of every other release cycle lol
[02:15] <Kyral> due to school
[02:15] <LaserJock> makes sense
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Kyral: you're still in school???
[02:16] <LaserJock> I *should* be out
[02:16] <Kyral> Hobbsee, college
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:16] <Kyral> Christopher Peterman, Clarkson University Computer Science Sopomore
[02:17] <LaserJock> Se7h: ok, so I got it to build
[02:17] <Se7h> greta
[02:17] <Se7h> *great
[02:18] <na7e> ahhh, much better than natroll
[02:18] <na7e> seth just made me think....i stole your junk, seth
[02:18] <Se7h> hum?
[02:18] <na7e> the 7 thing, nvm
[02:18] <na7e> back to work now for me
[02:18] <Se7h> ah
[02:18] <Se7h> :p
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Kyral: ah fun.  i'm kind of wishing that i was doign computer sci now
[02:19] <Kyral> lol no you don't
[02:19] <Kyral> I am up against the Binary Bomb soon
[02:19] <Kyral> oyah add in Information Technology minor
[02:19] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:19] <Kyral> whats your major Hobbsee
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i'm doing a bachelor of technology in optoelectronics
[02:20] <Kyral> optowha?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[02:20] <na7e> cybernetic optical implants
[02:20] <Kyral> oh
[02:20] <Kyral> hmm
[02:20] <na7e> lol, j/k
[02:20] <crimsun> eye candy, dude. KDE, remember?
[02:20] <Kyral> lol
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Kyral: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optoelectronics
[02:21] <na7e> maybe like optical switching?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> mm...nice shiny lasers...
[02:21] <Kyral> can you replace my eyes with some really cool cyborg eyes?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> among other things
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hehe - they'll be bright purple?
[02:21] <Kyral> ....tthat would be kinda cool actually....
[02:21] <Kyral> okay I go watch Austin Powers
[02:21] <na7e> lol
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:22] <Kyral> Grooovy Baby YEAH! :P
[02:22] <Kyral> DOWN BOY!
[02:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: then again, i see that there's a nice fade in gnome now, for the sudo password dialog box...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[02:22] <Kyral> Hobbsee, thats been around for a while...
[02:23] <Kyral> or did you just go to Dapper?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> i havent used gnome since hoary, so...
[02:23] <na7e> you guys mean gksudo?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:23] <Kyral> I hadn't used KDE since Slack 10 about 3 years ago :P
[02:23] <Hobbsee> it's greatly improved - the gnome, that is
[02:23] <Kyral> but yah, GROOVINESS CALLS :D
[02:23] <crimsun> I just want frickin lasers on my Ubuntu splash
[02:24] <na7e> i wish kde was a bit better in ubuntu
[02:24] <Kyral> Oh I love the Dapper GNOME Splash :D
[02:24] <Hobbsee> rofl yeah!
[02:24] <na7e> i just always had integration problems between various programs
[02:24] <Hobbsee> pity kde has nothing like that
[02:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: heck yeah!
[02:24] <Kyral> hmmm
[02:24] <Kyral> SOMEONE MAKE ONE :D
[02:25] <Hobbsee> then you'd have to use kde to get it!
[02:25] <Kyral> Hobbsee, I do :P
[02:25] <Kyral> well, on this laptop it's Xubuntu
[02:25] <Kyral> anyway yah, groovy time...for real :D
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hehe sure
[02:26] <na7e> Hobbsee, is the usplash thing easy to change out with soemthing else?  i'm looking at doing it for this project i'm workin on
[02:27] <crimsun> yes, it's pretty straight-forward
[02:27] <na7e> coooool
[02:27] <crimsun> look at the *artwork-usplash packages for examples
[02:27] <Hobbsee> which bit is the usplash?  i always get confused between the usplash, and the splash screen
[02:27] <na7e> as long as i don't have to sacrifice anymore chickens
[02:27] <crimsun> usplash is what you see after grub
[02:27] <Hobbsee> no, they've moved to geese sacrifices
[02:27] <na7e> argh!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right, yep.  that's th way around i thought it was
[02:27] <crimsun> splash is what you see when logging into your graphical environment
[02:27] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[02:28] <na7e> what's the u in usplash for?
[02:28] <crimsun> userspace
[02:28] <na7e> usplash, isplash, we all splash for....
[02:28] <minghua> confusing name choices if you ask me :-(
[02:28] <crimsun> (as opposed to what's in Fedora Core, which is kernelspace)
[02:28] <na7e> ok, cool
[02:28] <LaserJock> Ubuntu? Uber? Unbelievable?
[02:29] <na7e> Uberunbelievableubuntu IMO
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:29] <Tonio_> what a mess to update networkmanager ;)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> now just *imagine* how many misspellings of that there would be in the forums, etc
[02:29] <na7e> lol
[02:30] <na7e> forget searching for it
[02:30] <Tonio_> there are so many differences since 0.5.1
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you end up packaging knetworkmanager?  seeing as mine's being a pain, and not making correctly?
[02:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: about too
[02:30] <Tonio_> 10 hours on it
[02:30] <Tonio_> I had to patch new libs, update all patches, and finally package knetworkmanager
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ah, fun
[02:31] <Tonio_> but the difference with the actual ubuntu package is hudge, really
[02:31] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.np-ip.org
[02:31] <Tonio_> but the repo isn't complete yet, may have to wait a bit :)
[02:32] <crimsun> yeah, you guys are going to fall over when we update wpasupplicant ;)
[02:32] <Tonio_> the network-manager package isn't gunctionnal for knetworkmanager (libnm-util needed)
[02:32] <Tonio_> crimsun: I hadded there the new version of wpasupplicant siretart worked on
[02:32] <Tonio_> don't know if that is working actually, I can't test
[02:32] <crimsun> Tonio_: yes, 0.5.1-1 in Debian exp
[02:33] <Tonio_> crimsun: I ported it to ubuntu, you can find it on that repo
[02:33] <crimsun> I'm about to fakesync 0.4.7-4
[02:33] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/
[02:33] <Tonio_> sorry for the bad link
[02:33] <crimsun> gah, I can't fakesync, since we'll have another delta.
[02:34] <Tonio_> but wpasupplicant there is not the latest.... should be working anyway
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: testing it out
[02:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: wait a bit please ;)
[02:36] <Tonio_> this is not functionnal actually ;)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> a little late now!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> seems to all be still working
[02:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, but that networkmanager package is not complete to make knetworkmanager building
[02:38] <Tonio_> need another package splitted from it
[02:39] <Hobbsee> right
[02:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you can update, should be okay now ;)
[02:39] <Tonio_> I'm finishing knetworkmanager
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:42] <LaserJock> you got ants down there?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:43] <Hobbsee> unfortunately
[02:43] <na7e> how different is building a source package over a binary package?
[02:44] <na7e> err, rephrase, how different is building a source package versus building a binary package?
[02:44] <LaserJock> umm, you use the source package to build the binary package
[02:44] <na7e> oh?  ok, i must have already built a source package then
[02:45] <LaserJock> yes
[02:46] <LaserJock> na7e: ok, so the .dsc .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz files make up the source package. that source package than can then be built (by pbuilder or buildd) into the binary .deb package
[02:47] <na7e> ahhhh
[02:47] <na7e> LaserJock, many thanks for clearing that up, as usual
[02:48] <LaserJock> na7e: *shameless plug* you might check out http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gettingstarted-chap.html
[02:48] <na7e> LaserJock, bookmarked :)
[02:49] <na7e> someone needs to teach a class on all this at my school or something.....
[02:49] <LaserJock> well, we do have #ubuntu-motu-school ;-)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> na7e: sometimes, there's a motu school
[02:49] <Hobbsee> which i want to go to, at some point
[02:51] <na7e> i haven't seen one yet, and i'd love to be there when it happens
[02:51] <na7e> LaserJock, this guide looks much better than what i've come across so far, i'll read it now
[02:52] <LaserJock> well, I'm still working on it. but it is suposed to ship with Dapper
[02:52] <na7e> oh sweeeeeet
[02:52] <na7e> well, i'll tell you if i hit any hickups
[02:52] <LaserJock> it is on your computers right now in fact
[02:52] <na7e> ooooh, that's eery sorta
[02:53] <LaserJock> it isn't very current but it will get there
[02:53] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: it is on KDE too but even less current :(
[02:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, i've used the kde one before
[02:54] <na7e> LaserJock, found a mistake.  Make>Description> 'informations' should be 'information'
[02:54] <na7e> muahahah
[02:55] <LaserJock> ok, I'm editing it at the moment. thanks for the catch
[02:55] <na7e> oh, in chapter 1, btw, but i'm sure you'll catch it later anyways
[02:55] <na7e> np
[02:56] <na7e> LaserJock, want me to just make a list of all the mistakes i find?  because I just found another...
[02:56] <LaserJock> na7e: yeah, and send them to mantha AT ubuntu.com
[02:56] <crimsun> god I suck, I just sent an e-mail to control with "tag" instead of "tags"
[02:58] <na7e> will do
[02:58] <minghua> crimsun: hehe, I always check the instruction page when writing to control, never remember those commands (except thanks, perhaps)
[03:06] <na7e> anyone have a brief explanation of what a cxx transition is?
[03:07] <minghua> na7e: we had one in dapper and one in breezy, and IMHO they are different types
[03:07] <minghua> na7e: so which one are you asking about?
[03:08] <na7e> minghua, i'm not sure, i'm seeing in: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/intro-chap.html
[03:09] <na7e> minghua, under Apt/Dpkg section under apt-cache dump
[03:09] <na7e> it mentions it almost assuming we would know what the heck it was :)
[03:10] <minghua> na7e: basically it's about one library package changes its name
[03:11] <na7e> ok
[03:11] <na7e> thanks
[03:12] <LaserJock> na7e: yeah, make a note of that in your email ;-)
[03:12] <minghua> na7e: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition
[03:13] <minghua> na7e: read the "C++ ABI Transition" part if you really want to know
[03:13] <minghua> but you don't really need to know that IMO
[03:13] <minghua> it's not like we are going to have another c++ transition anytime soon
[03:13] <crimsun> (knock on wood)
[03:14] <na7e> LaserJock, I did, w00t :)
[03:15] <na7e> yeah, I'll give that a quick read
[03:16] <LaserJock> well, I need feedback from potential readers so it would be helpful
[03:16] <LaserJock> I just hope the packaging guide gets done soon. we have a documentation team freeze coming up
[03:16] <crimsun> (yes, since that would be hellish)
[03:17] <na7e> i see what you mean about the libraries all changing, that would take virtually a complete recompilation of all binary packages, wouldn't it?
[03:21] <na7e> LaserJock, for the email and the filenames, what is the formal name of the guide?
[03:22] <LaserJock> na7e: Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[03:22] <ajmitch> hi
[03:22] <na7e> thx
[03:22] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch and slomo
[03:22] <na7e> hi ajmitch
[03:23] <slomo> hi LaserJock
[03:33] <crimsun> slomo: hi. I worked on a fakesync of wpasupplicant, but there appear to be some bugs in Debian BTS that I'm not comfortable fakesyncing it
[03:34] <slomo> crimsun: and we don't have this bugs?
[03:34] <crimsun> not yet
[03:34] <slomo> ok... then don't sync before they're fixed :)
[03:34] <crimsun> however, one could potentially see them
[03:34] <crimsun> will need to discuss with Reinhard
[03:39] <na7e> LaserJock, who is mantha?
[03:39] <Kyral> na7e, him :P
[03:39] <na7e> oh, lol
[03:39] <LaserJock> na7e: my name is Jordan Mantha ;-)
[03:39] <na7e> ok, i explained who i was, ha! :)
[03:39] <Kyral> LaserJock == Jordan Mantha :P
[03:40] <na7e> if (LaserJock == 'Jordan Mantha') {print "Doh!";}
[03:41] <Kyral> Generally we have our names in our whois data
[03:41] <LaserJock> na7e: got the email, thanks.
[03:41] <na7e> np, i'll work on it later this week too
[03:41] <na7e> i'll plan on it, rather :-)
[03:42] <na7e> i really need to write up something on what i'm doing with this installation CD....
[03:42] <na7e> might be helpful to someone
[03:43] <LaserJock> hi dolson
[03:43] <minghua> see, that's the advantage of using just your name as your nick ;-)  (and the advantage of having short name)
[03:43] <dolson> hey LaserJock
[03:44] <Kyral> minghua, I had this nick before coming on Freenode, otherwise it would be petermcv or somesuch
[03:47] <LaserJock> me too
[03:47] <na7e> i've changed mine like 3 times so far...sigh....no one will remember me....
[03:49] <minghua> I dropped my old nick when I start hanging out on IRC
[03:49] <Tonio_> raphink: available ?
[03:49] <LaserJock> I like being LaserJock but unfortunately my LP id is mantha
[03:49] <raphink> physically yes Tonio_, not sure my mind is ...
[03:51] <na7e> does anyone know if the installer on the breezy CD will freak out if I add the universe repo?
[03:51] <na7e> as in, I add it to the pool on the CD
[03:52] <na7e> yeah, i didn't think anyone knew, I've got some fun testing ahead of me
[03:55] <na7e> how do I make my own GPG key?
[03:57] <LaserJock> na7e: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[03:58] <na7e> LaserJock, I just found that, any recommendations on which program is superior though?  GPA or seahorse?
[03:58] <LaserJock> I usually just use the CLI ;-)
[03:58] <LaserJock> seahorse is nice, if it works
[03:59] <na7e> ha
[04:00] <na7e> is there a length-limit for use with motu?
[04:04] <dolson> crimsun: thanks for uploading ardour
[04:25] <crimsun> dolson: np
[04:32] <Se7h> LaserJock cant i add images to it?
[04:32] <Se7h> o.0
[04:34] <LaserJock> Se7h: to what? sorry my connection got screwed up
[04:34] <Se7h> i saw
[04:34] <Se7h> i had to add a 'skins' dir to the source with the program images
[04:34] <Se7h> and now debuild doesnt like it much
[04:39] <LaserJock> what does it say
[04:41] <Se7h> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[04:41] <Se7h> debuild: fatal error at line 768:
[04:42] <Se7h> after ignoring the deletion of loads of files
[04:42] <LaserJock> Se7h: where are you adding them?
[04:42] <Se7h> the files?
[04:43] <LaserJock> to the orig.tar.gz?
[04:43] <Se7h> ah no
[04:43] <Se7h> first i add them to the build dir, and after a failure i added them also to the orig
[04:43] <Se7h> i guess they're both wrong
[04:44] <LaserJock> hmm, it shouldn't be a problem if they are in the .orig.tar.gz
[04:44] <Se7h> my thought
[04:44] <Se7h> but i guess it is
[04:45] <LaserJock> are you sure it is in the .orig.tar.gz and no the diff.gz
[04:46] <Se7h> in the diff ?
[04:46] <Se7h> the diff.gz has only a file right?
[04:46] <LaserJock> no
[04:47] <LaserJock> the diff.gz has everything that isn't in the .orig.tar.gz
[04:47] <Se7h> :o
[04:47] <Se7h> so that must be it
[04:47] <Se7h> lol
[05:07] <Se7h> LaserJock can i just erase both orig and diff files? :p
[05:08] <LaserJock> Se7h: just unpack the orig add your files and re-tar it
[05:08] <Se7h> i did that and debuild didnt like it
[05:08] <Se7h> i'll do it again
[05:08] <Se7h> (it worked with no orig and diff files)
[05:09] <LaserJock> what did debuild give you?
[05:09] <Se7h> a good source
[05:09] <Se7h> and a nice deb package after it
[05:09] <Se7h> and spe works 100% now
[05:09] <Se7h> lol
[05:09] <Se7h> im gonna add those files to the orig tho
[05:22] <LaserJock> na7e: ok, you changes have been commited to the doc team svn repo. thanks
[05:22] <Se7h> ok
[05:22] <Se7h> finaly
[05:22] <Se7h> LaserJock done
[05:23] <Se7h> 100%
[05:23] <LaserJock> yeah?
[05:23] <na7e> np LaserJock
[05:23] <Se7h> yeah
[05:25] <Se7h> whats next?
[05:25] <Se7h> uploading..
[05:26] <Se7h> omg wheres that 'dput' thing on the wiki ?
[05:26] <Se7h> need url
[05:27] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[05:32] <Se7h> Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2.dsc: done.
[05:32] <Se7h> Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2.diff.gz: done.
[05:32] <Se7h> Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[05:32] <Se7h> Successfully uploaded packages.
[05:32] <Se7h> thats it?
[05:32] <Se7h> ol.0
[05:40] <LaserJock> Se7h: use debuild -S -sa and reupload (remove the .upload file or use -f with dput)
[05:41] <LaserJock> Se7h: the -sa includes the .orig.tar.gz
[05:42] <Se7h> ok
[05:42] <Se7h> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[05:42] <Se7h> debuild: fatal error at line 768:
[05:42] <Se7h> oh no
[05:42] <Se7h> that again
[05:42] <Se7h> lol
[05:45] <Se7h> LaserJock but i do the pbuilder again right?
[05:46] <LaserJock> Se7h: no, you don't need to use pbuilder
[05:46] <Se7h> LaserJock ok
[05:47] <Se7h> just debuild
[05:47] <Se7h> and dput
[05:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:47] <Se7h> Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[05:47] <Se7h> Doing nothing for spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[05:47] <Se7h> :|
[05:47] <Se7h> oh right
[05:47] <Se7h> forget it
[05:48] <Erlang_> you can force the upload with dput -f
[05:48] <Se7h> LaserJock done
[05:48] <na7e> warty was the first ubuntu release, right?
[05:50] <Se7h> right
[05:54] <Se7h> LaserJock work done?
[05:55] <LaserJock> Se7h: so did you see the lintian and linda report on REVU?
[05:56] <Se7h> ahm...no
[05:56] <Se7h> help me on that
[05:57] <Erlang> LaserJock: Sorry to bother you, but can I ask you why the Lintian report for kpl is "N: Skipping check of source package kpl" ?
[05:57] <LaserJock> Se7h: go to revu.tauware.de and look up spe
[05:58] <LaserJock> Erlang: you need to include the .orig.tar.gz in the upload
[05:59] <LaserJock> Erlang: use debuild -S -sa when making the source package
[05:59] <Se7h> LaserJock oh ok
[05:59] <Se7h> its nice to have feedback :p
[05:59] <Erlang> oh. thank you
[06:00] <Erlang> That .orig.tar.gz is my curse.  I forget it all the time.
[06:05] <Erlang> oh good I've got a clean lintian check now ;D
[06:07] <Se7h> one thing LaserJock, thats what i must do or what the reviewer will do ?
[06:07] <Se7h> that english of him is tricky
[06:08] <LaserJock> Se7h: what is your question? what happens now?
[06:08] <Se7h> no
[06:08] <Se7h> well kinda
[06:08] <Se7h> i read
[06:08] <Se7h> 'shall'
[06:09] <Se7h> does that mean i have to do what he says there
[06:09] <Se7h> or that he shall do all that stuff?
[06:09] <Se7h> 2 #     python setup.py clean --< this line shall be removed from debian/rules  <- and where the hell is this? o.0
[06:10] <LaserJock> Se7h: that is from a previous upload. Kyral had started packaging spe
[06:10] <LaserJock> Se7h: but he doesn't want it
[06:10] <Se7h> oh
[06:10] <Se7h> LOL
[06:10] <Se7h> ok dont care about me
[06:10] <Se7h> im just sleepy
[06:10] <LaserJock> np
[06:14] <Se7h> one more thing LaserJock (sorry)
[06:14] <LaserJock> np
[06:14] <Se7h> i dont need to upload the orig again do i ?
[06:14] <LaserJock> I think you might. I can't remember how REVU works but I think you need to.
[06:15] <Se7h> ok
[06:15] <LaserJock> normally you only have to do it when you have a new upstream version
[06:16] <Se7h> uhum :)
[06:17] <Se7h> ok done
[06:18] <Se7h> lintian mentions something about nmu
[06:18] <Se7h> whats nmu LaserJock?
[06:19] <LaserJock> NMU = Non Maintainer Upload
[06:19] <LaserJock> it is a Debian thing
[06:19] <Se7h> oh ok
[06:20] <Se7h> so i musnt worry about it?
[06:20] <LaserJock> no that is ok I think
[06:20] <Erlang> Se7h: Each package in Debian have a specific maintainer.  NMU are done to quickly fix a package that a maintainer don't have time to fix or that is being neglected.
[06:21] <Se7h> hmm i see
[06:23] <Se7h> W: spe source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.8.2a-0ubuntu2
[06:23] <Se7h> i dont get this
[06:23] <Erlang> this is related to the previous error
[06:23] <LaserJock> this is another Debian thing
[06:24] <LaserJock> NMU uploads are supposed to have a specific versioning
[06:24] <Erlang> Se7h: Lintian this your last upload is an NMU, and NMU uploads must have a special version number.
[06:25] <Se7h> so, another thing i shouldnt worry about?
[06:25] <minghua> it would be nice if someone can patch lintian to not complain about that
[06:26] <Erlang> I've found linitian code to be rather easy to grasp despite being written in perl.  It should be easy to patch.
[06:27] <LaserJock> Erlang: go for it ;-)
[06:27] <Erlang> I could certainly add that to my To-Do list.
[06:35] <Erlang> I guess some Ubuntu-specific tests could be added to Lintian too?
[06:36] <Se7h> that would be nice
[06:37] <Erlang> well, like what?
[06:37] <LaserJock> Erlang: you'd have to port it to python first of course ;-)
[06:37] <Se7h> btw any of u is a python coder?
[06:38] <Se7h> i'll be also mantaining pymedia
[06:38] <minghua> LaserJock: lol
[06:38] <Erlang> Gah, I'd have to LEARN Python first :(
[06:39] <LaserJock> well, I'd have to learn Perl :(
[06:39] <minghua> Erlang: like checking distribution is dapper if the version has ubuntu in it
[06:39] <Erlang> minghua: ok
[06:39] <minghua> that's one mistake I often make (because I do packaging for both distros)
[06:39] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:40] <Erlang> BTW, I'm not saying I'll be doing it.  It's definitely within my reach but I've got a diploma to get first.
[06:40] <LaserJock> what? you can't let school get in the way of Ubuntu work
[06:41] <minghua> LaserJock: drop out of your school right now, and I'll listen to you ;-)
[06:41] <LaserJock> minghua: it's tempting, believe me
[06:41] <Erlang> LaserJock: ah, I wish it was that easy :|
[06:42] <Erlang> but I'm nearly done, really.
[06:42] <LaserJock> sure you are. I am too ;-)
[06:46] <LaserJock> hi seth
[06:47] <seth> heya LaserJock
[06:47] <Se7h> that 'ubuntu/member' looks nice
[06:48] <LaserJock> seth: naughty, naughty :-)
[06:49] <Erlang> I call those devices homework-eaters.  In a Linux distro context, how can they be called?
[06:49] <seth> packaging-eaters
[06:49] <Se7h> lolol
[06:50] <LaserJock> can't ... resist ... must ... play
[06:50] <seth> haha
[06:51] <seth> it's the bright shiny colours that do it
[06:51] <seth> and the flashing
[06:52] <LaserJock> man, I haven't played any games for quite a while. Honestly, I'd rather be doing Ubuntu work.
[06:53] <seth> :)
[06:53] <seth> Ubuntu work is good but sometimes I need shiny flashing to soothe my brain
[06:53] <seth> sooooo
[06:53] <seth> I use my PIP feature on this spiffy widescreen monitor I've got
[06:53] <seth> and do both!
[07:05] <Se7h> a module for python should be considered a binary or library ?
[07:05] <na7e> binrary
[07:05] <na7e> ;-)
[07:06] <Se7h> binrary?
[07:06] <Se7h> :p
[07:06] <Se7h> i ask this cus i see few or none in devel section
[07:06] <Se7h> when it would make sense to be there, but oh well..
[07:08] <minghua> there should be a python policy somewhere
[07:08] <Se7h> can u point me to it ?
[07:08] <LaserJock> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[07:08] <Se7h> ty
[07:09] <LaserJock> Se7h: btw, www.debian.org/devel/ is a good place to bookmark
[07:18] <LaserJock> time for bed. Good night all!
[07:18] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[07:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you up and running in .nz now?
[07:18] <ajmitch> I have been for the last week
[07:19] <LaserJock> cool
[07:19] <LaserJock> ah yes
[07:19] <LaserJock> I'm going to have a semester to catch up on if I don't watch it :(
[07:20] <ajmitch> ouch
[09:06] <siretart> hi
[09:08] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:08] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:26] <siretart> ajmitch: still learning for my test on tuesday
[09:26] <siretart> finally the openal transition started (was sitting in NEW) in unstable, but I'm busy with learning :(
[09:27] <siretart> ajmitch: how are you?
[09:39] <ajmitch> good :)
[09:39] <ajmitch> back at uni
[09:40] <ajmitch> trying to get back into MOTU work
[09:40] <ajmitch> but I have to find something I can concentrate on
[09:43] <ajmitch> sigh, just filled up /var :)
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: dude
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: opensyncs modules and the gui
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: or, pornview :)
[10:20] <lifeless> ajmitch: btw, testresources just got out of new, I'd love to get that into universe for dapper
[10:33] <ajmitch> we'd probably have to make an exception for new packages, but I think it can be done
[10:41] <sivang> morning all
[10:43] <Toadstool> morning motus
[10:43] <lifeless> ajmitch: it lets the test script for baz-import run for bzrtools
[10:55] <azeem> lifeless: you won't believe it, but I've been hacking on the opensync modules a bit lately
[10:56] <lifeless> azeem: sweet
[11:34] <jpatrick> Toadstool: wide-dhcp6 is in
[11:34] <Toadstool> cool :)
[11:34] <Toadstool> thanks a lot everybody
[11:35] <jpatrick> :)
[11:39] <lifeless> azeem so start uploading to NEW already :)
[11:39] <azeem> today is a really bad day for uploading here
[11:39] <azeem> 2410 packets transmitted, 165 received, 93% packet loss, time 2414974ms
[11:40] <azeem> that's to the DSL router...
[11:41] <azeem> maybe I fried my prism2 pc-card, it was getting very hot a couple of days ago and started doing IRQ trouble till it locked up the notebook
[11:41] <azeem> lifeless: anyway, I wanted to test them, but I guess we can just fix them up once they hit unstable?
[11:42] <lifeless> right
[11:42] <lifeless> as long as they load for you, and perhaps pass make check, it shouls be good enough  to start them flowing through the pipeline
[11:42] <lifeless> [of course the packaging should be solid too ;))
[12:05] <zyga_> has anyone seen dholbach today?
[12:10] <jpatrick> not me
[12:10] <siretart> zyga_: I think he doesn't work on sundays
[12:10] <zyga_> siretart: thanks for the info
[12:15] <zyga_> can someone remind me the rules of version-NubuntuM naming?
[12:15] <zyga_> or where to find them
[12:17] <siretart> zyga_: if you do changes to an ubuntu package and want to prevent the next debian update to autosynce your changes over, use the NubuntuM naming
[12:17] <siretart> zyga_: this applies to almost all uploads to ubuntu
[12:17] <zyga_> siretart: this package is not in ubuntu
[12:17] <zyga_> s/ubuntu/debian/
[12:17] <zyga_> I'm updating ontv (maintained by dholbah) over from 1.6.2 to 1.8.8
[12:17] <jpatrick> -0ubuntu1
[12:18] <siretart> zyga_: can you ensure that won't appear in debian in the future?
[12:18] <zyga_> siretart: no
[12:18] <zyga_> siretart: right now it's 0ubuntu4
[12:18] <zyga_> I've upgraded version to 1.8.8-0ubuntu1
[12:19] <siretart> in the case of ontv, I think dholbach will handle it. I think he was the one who submitted the UVF exception request
[12:19] <zyga_> oh
[12:19] <zyga_> good to know
[12:19] <siretart> I think
[12:19] <G0SUB> jpatrick: is there any documentation on this versioning scheme ?
[12:19] <siretart> better check malone and look at the last repots
[12:20] <zyga_> checking
[12:20] <siretart> G0SUB: it should be on the wiki page under DeveloperRessources. If it isn't please add it there
[12:20] <malte`> hi there
[12:20] <G0SUB> siretart: ok
[12:20] <siretart> hi malte`
[12:20] <malte`> i wanted to ask: if i fill an uvf exception, should i provide the new package or is it someone else's duty?
[12:21] <siretart> malte`: please provide the package and find an developer who uploads it for you
[12:21] <siretart> malte`: if one of these 2 steps fail, please say so in the uvf report
[12:22] <malte`> how do i "provide" it, by attaching it to the bug report?
[12:22] <siretart> either attach it, or link to it. your choice
[12:22] <malte`> ok, thank you :)
[12:22] <siretart> nm
[12:23] <G0SUB> siretart: it's documented
[12:23] <G0SUB> siretart: any update on the Beagle UVF Exception request?
[12:23] <siretart> great :)
[12:24] <G0SUB> I had attached the diff to the bugreport
[12:27] <G0SUB> siretart: I have a query
[12:27] <siretart> G0SUB: unfortunately, I'm incredibly busy until tuesday. sorry :(
[12:28] <G0SUB> there are a few languages which don't have lang packs for Firefox & OOo yet ... if I get the stuff, can we put them up for Dapper?
[12:28] <G0SUB> siretart: that's ok
[12:30] <G0SUB> jpatrick: ?
[12:30] <jpatrick> G0SUB: hi
[12:31] <G0SUB> jpatrick: hello! can you comment on ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?
[12:33] <jpatrick> G0SUB: I suppose you could
[12:34] <G0SUB> hmm, great then
[01:21] <seaLne> what is the normal procedure for a package that is currently just synced from debian but has bugs? (in this case the DD is extremly slow to respond to bugs, the package was removed from sarge because he never applied previous patches in time)
[01:24] <siretart> seaLne: uploading a fixed version to ubuntu
[01:25] <seaLne> k
[01:37] <seaLne> i'm having some problems getting dpatch to work during package build
[01:39] <Toadstool> seaLne: what kind of problems ?
[01:39] <jpatrick> seaLne: "include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make" in debian/rules
[01:40] <seaLne> when i get a pastebin to load i'll share :)
[01:40] <seaLne> it already had dpatch in it so i doubt thats it
[01:41] <seaLne> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610477
[01:41] <Toadstool> you're adding a patch to a package ?
[01:41] <seaLne> yeah
[01:41] <seaLne> .dpatch http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/610478
[01:42] <jpatrick> are your patches in debian/patches/* ?
[01:42] <seaLne> i added it to debian/patches/00list
[01:42] <seaLne> yeah
[01:42] <Toadstool> did you add it after a previous package build ?
[01:42] <seaLne> thought of that and rm -rf'ed
[01:47] <Toadstool> seaLne: works fine for me
[01:47] <seaLne> what did you do?
[01:47] <Toadstool> I just apt-got source autopsy, added your patch and built without a prob'
[01:48] <seaLne> thats what i'm doing ...
[01:48] <seaLne> all you did was copy patch and add to 00list?
[01:48] <Toadstool> yep
[01:49] <seaLne> the only other things i've done are changelog, control and compat
[01:49] <seaLne> hmm
[01:49] <Toadstool> weird then...
[01:50] <seaLne> yeah, i'm pretty sure i built it before which is weird
[01:52] <Toadstool> just try to backup what you modified in debian dir, rm -rf the whole source files, download the sources again and put your modified files in it
[01:52] <Toadstool> i'm pretty sure there's a dirty patched file
[01:52] <seaLne> hm just noticed my .dpatch is 03_ and other things are 02. could that be a problem?
[01:53] <Toadstool> not at all
[01:53] <Toadstool> you just have to put the right name in 00list
[01:53] <seaLne> yeah, strangely it working now
[01:54] <Toadstool> great news :)
[01:55] <Toadstool> :)
[02:03] <seaLne> dcfldd can probably be archived as it was accepted
[02:04] <seaLne> uploaded http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2160
[02:11] <seaLne> very weird patch 01 isn't there in http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/autopsy-0603190800/autopsy-2.06/debian/patches/
[02:12] <seaLne> yet it is still in the diff
[02:53] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:30] <Yagisan> I just had someone convert to ubuntu, so they could use my unofficial games repo. It's apparently easier to set up then on windows :)
[03:35] <zyga_> Yagisan: what repo is that?
[03:37] <Yagisan> zyga_:  http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/
[03:38] <dolson> Yagisan: lots of things are easier to set up on Windows :)
[03:39] <Yagisan> dolson: not that game ;)
[03:40] <dolson> Yagisan: a friend of mine nearly ripped out his hair trying to set up the WAMP stack. he kept messaging me asking for help on how to do this or that, and I kept on saying "on Linux, I type in apt-get install apache php mysql, sorry that Windows is too hard for you"
[03:41] <Yagisan> dolson: heh. The only proplem was that Ubuntu detected the onbaord disabled SiS rather then AGP nvidia video card
[03:41] <dolson> then he had finally got it almost working, and he tried installing Mambo and again was bugging me. I told him I don't even use Mambo
[03:42] <dolson> he was getting all pissed and saying things like "this is stupid. what a stupid program. it shouldn't be this hard to set up. this is dumb. I wasted a week and half trying to get this shit working" etc
[03:42] <dolson> so I said, "ok, let me try it on my system and see where you are getting stuck"
[03:42] <Yagisan> yes, that sounds like windows
[03:42] <dolson> ten minutes later, I gave him a link to log into my Mambo system... no problems
[03:43] <dolson> me and another friend of his were talking about Ubuntu and he overheard us, and so he was asking me questions one day and I asked if he was finally installing it, and he said yes, but in a warezed VMware
[03:44] <dolson> so then when his Windows crashes he can say that it was Linux's fault and that it's not stable. he's always got problems. if he plugs in his digital camera, his system BSODs
[03:46] <spacey> Yagisan: man your site is slowwww
[03:47] <Yagisan> well, it's on my dog slow adsl connection, why I get the money to move to a new host
[03:47] <Yagisan> s/shy/shile
[03:47] <Yagisan> crap can't type
[03:47] <Yagisan> s/why/while
[03:48] <spacey> Yagisan: if you want i can mirror your repo
[03:49] <Yagisan> spacey: thanks for the offer. I'm already setting up one mirror, so a second would be really nice.
[03:49] <Yagisan> spacey: ubuntu only ?
[03:50] <spacey> Yagisan: at least ubuntu :p
[03:50] <spacey> more is fine, i don't care
[03:51] <Yagisan> spacey: approx 2GB for ubuntu. approx double to 6 weeks around a new release
[03:51] <spacey> Yagisan: diskspace enough
[03:53] <Yagisan> thanks spacey :) once licensing is sorted the main game (all 3MB of it) will go back to revu for inclusion inti ubuntu proper
[03:53] <spacey> ok
[03:53] <spacey> Yagisan: just send me an e-mail
[03:53] <spacey> and i'll reply with account details
[03:54] <spacey> you can use ssh+rsync
[04:19] <spacey> Yagisan: you got mail
[04:22] <Yagisan> spacey: thank you very much.
[04:23] <mcquaid> hello, could someone tell me what libgl1-mesa-glide3 is for exactly?
[04:23] <mcquaid> i can't get this voodoo3 to work with dri and wasn't sure if that file is for dri via the tdfx driver or for the outdated glide driver
[04:24] <mcquaid> i upgraded to dapper hoping it might resolve this issue but it's still the same and i noticed this new package
[08:10] <nictuku> hi. sorry about the off-topic, but is 'machines' a good synonym for 'computers' or in a broad sense, 'network nodes', in english?
[08:12] <nictuku> I wonder if it's ok to use that in NetworkWideUpdates prototype tool's documentation
[08:12] <Erlang> nictuku: if the context makes clear you talk about computers and networks they I'd say it is.
[08:13] <nictuku> thank you
[08:14] <nictuku> is 'nodes' better?
[08:15] <Erlang> can't say...
[08:16] <siretart> nictuku: I'd stay with 'computers'. it seems to be more common to unexperienced users
[08:21] <nictuku> seems better
[08:39] <Se7h> hi
[08:39] <crimsun> hullo.
[08:40] <Se7h> aloha
[09:12] <crimsun> would someone with working hardware GL acceleration please confirm that bzflag segfaults on startup?
[09:13] <crimsun> bug #34687
[09:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34687 in bzflag "dapper bzflag wont start" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34687
[09:13] <Erlang> gimme a few secondes
[09:13] <crimsun> thanks
[09:15] <Erlang> Looks fine.  Although I can't see the display from here.
[09:17] <ajmitch> morning
[09:18] <crimsun> 'morning, ajmitch
[09:19] <ajmitch> crimsun: did the bug reporter specify architecture, etc?
[09:19] <ajmitch> hm no, they didn't say much at all
[09:19] <sivang> morning southern eastern folks :)
[09:19] <crimsun> looks like i686
[09:19] <crimsun> (just checking his /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[09:20] <crimsun> morning sivang
[09:20] <sivang> s/eastern//
[09:20] <sivang> hey crimsun , how goes it?
[09:20] <crimsun> sivang: not bad, yourself?
[09:21] <Erlang> crimsun: Cannot confirm with AMD64, Dapper, and nVidia drivers.
[09:21] <bmonty> hey crimsun, ajmitch
[09:21] <crimsun> Erlang: thanks. :)
[09:21] <crimsun> 'afternoon, bmonty
[09:22] <ajmitch> crimsun: bzflag starts
[09:22] <crimsun> ajmitch: thanks. :)
[09:23] <sivang> crimsun: pretty good, enjoying so much from developing with python-gtk
[09:23] <crimsun> :)
[09:23] <Erlang> Anyone owns "Programming Python", ze book?
[09:24] <bmonty> sivang: I kniw the feeling
[09:24] <sivang> Erlang: I have seen zis book :)
[09:24] <Erlang> any good?
[09:24] <sivang> Erlang: although I have followed DIP
[09:24] <sivang> (Dive INto Python)
[09:24] <Erlang> okay.
[09:24] <sivang> bmonty: :)
[09:26] <crimsun> hehe
[09:52] <seaLne> Erlang: i thought "Programming Python" was apretty bad book
[09:54] <Erlang> seaLne: oh?
[09:54] <seaLne> compared to programing perl and the ruby pickaxe book
[09:54] <seaLne> i found it hard to read
[09:55] <Erlang> okay.
[09:55] <seaLne> i suppose everyone likes different styles of books tho
[09:56] <Erlang> The library here doesn't have it so I can't peek at it.
[09:56] <Erlang> And since I've found Programming Perl enjoyable I thought Programming Python could be a candidate.
[09:57] <seaLne> that was what i thought aswell and i think led to the disapointment
[09:58] <seaLne> they are very differently written
[09:58] <Amaranth> any of you use banshee?
[09:59] <crimsun> (quod libet here)
[09:59] <ajmitch> Amaranth: just ask the question :)
[09:59] <Erlang> yeah, Larry Walls rules... It's rare that I actually laught reading a very technical book.
[09:59] <Amaranth> ajmitch: it won't import my m4a files
[09:59] <Amaranth> anyone else having the same problem?
[10:00] <crimsun> but gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///path/to/an.m4a works?
[10:00] <Amaranth> checking
[10:01] <Amaranth> yep, that works
[10:01] <crimsun> k
[10:01] <Amaranth> let me get the exact message
[10:02] <Amaranth> through an abuse --trace run i even almost had where it was happening
[10:02] <Amaranth> but that took 40 minutes
[10:02] <Amaranth> Cannot Import: /home/amaranth/Music/System of a Down/Hypnotize/01 Attack.m4a (System.InvalidCastException, Cannot cast from source type to destination type.)
[10:03] <crimsun> you don't happen to be using gst 0.10.5-0ubuntu2, do you?
[10:04] <Amaranth> EXCEPTION handling: InvalidCastException
[10:04] <Amaranth> EXCEPTION: catch found at clause 1 of Banshee.PlayerUI:OnImportManagerImportRequested (object,Banshee.Base.ImportEventArgs)
[10:04] <Amaranth> i'm using whatever the latest is
[10:04] <Amaranth> 0.10.8+dfsg-1ubuntu2
[10:04] <ajmitch> Amaranth: gst version?
[10:04] <Amaranth> oh, and banshee's code is really hard to follow
[10:04] <crimsun> dpkg -l libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 |grep ^ii |awk '{ print $3 }'
[10:05] <Amaranth> no packages found?
[10:06] <Amaranth> oh, typo
[10:06] <Amaranth> 0.10.5-0ubuntu1
[10:06] <crimsun> ok, not the issue I was thinking of, then
[10:06] <Amaranth> as far as i can tell it's entagged
[10:07] <Amaranth> but banshee's code suffers from abstractionitis
[10:10] <Amaranth> any ideas? :)
[10:11] <crimsun> I don't know offhand, sorry.
[10:39] <Amaranth> i talked to abock, i tracked it down to the line causing problems
[10:39] <Amaranth> now i just need to figure out why
[11:00] <Amaranth> slomo: you can only build a banshee package once
[11:00] <slomo_> Amaranth: that's fixed in cvs
[11:00] <slomo_> Amaranth: no need to worry about it
[11:00] <Amaranth> ok
[11:01] <slomo_> Amaranth: just build it with dpkg-buildpackage .... -nc ;)
[11:01] <Amaranth> ah
[11:01] <slomo_> Amaranth: part of my patches which were comitted by abock on 2006-03-15 fixed it
[11:02] <Amaranth> my m4a files give me -1 for duration with dapper's version
[11:02] <Amaranth> abock can't reproduce with HEAD but said nothing in that code had changed
[11:03] <slomo_> weird... can you upload one file for me?
[11:04] <Amaranth> pm
[11:05] <slomo_> ok... i'll test it later... but i'm running HEAD too
[11:05] <Amaranth> package HEAD?
[11:05] <Amaranth> :)
[11:06] <slomo_> no ;)
[11:06] <Amaranth> i will, just to test with :)
[11:13] <Amaranth> ok, no i won't
[11:13] <Amaranth> hrm
[11:13] <slomo_> why?
[11:13] <Amaranth> can't get autogen.sh to go
[11:13] <Amaranth> why isn't gnome-common listed as a build-dep?
[11:14] <slomo_> because it's no build-dependency
[11:14] <slomo_> you only need it to generate the autoconf/automake stuff
[11:15] <slomo_> Amaranth: shows the correct time for me... 1:03
[11:15] <Amaranth> yeah, with HEAD, right?
[11:15] <slomo_> yes
[11:15] <slomo_> let's test 0.10.8
[11:16] <Amaranth> i copied entagged-sharp from HEAD into the 0.10.8 dir and i'm building a package from it
[11:16] <slomo_> works too
[11:16] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[11:17] <Amaranth> i have fully up-to-date dapper with no special config
[11:18] <slomo_> no idea... you could try entagged-sharp from svn, there's a sample program in there afaik... and then look where the -1 comes from
[11:32] <Amaranth> slomo_: in svn the tests don't get built :/