[12:42] I suppose it is bad if you can't figure out where somebody got the source for their package === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] bad for "somebody", I think ;-) [12:51] I was going to do a UVF exception request === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@a207204.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] is there a REVU admin around? [01:57] hmm, so if a .orig.tar.gz is half the size of the downloaded source tarball it isn't a good thing, right? [01:59] pretty much [02:00] doko_: ping? [02:00] LaserJock thats just cus the downloaded source has the 'build' inside it [02:00] that's horrible, then [02:01] ye, doesnt make much sense [02:01] strip the 'build' and repackage the upstream as a foo.dfsg [02:01] but it also had the doc apparently that is causing the FTBFS [02:02] i can rebuild that tarball easily [02:02] (/and upload it) [02:03] im just not getting why the pbuilder is still using the old 'rules' file once i modified it [02:03] is there a rules.in? [02:03] no [02:03] url? [02:04] LaserJock i just need to modify the 'mv foo/doc' to something else [02:04] for what? the package is spe [02:05] include the doc dir and modify the path the script uses [02:05] well, I'm assuming that doko didn't want to include the docs. I'm not sure [02:06] and im sure he just 'setup.py build' it [02:06] :p [02:06] but it is still not working here [02:07] just tell me why pbuilder isnt using the modified rules file [02:08] are you sure you rebuilt the source package? [02:08] (I still don't have any idea which package you're referring to) [02:08] spe [02:08] but it isn't very clean (.ex files about) and it FTBFS in a couple spots [02:10] cant u build a source package with a binary ? [02:10] lol [02:10] upid 1520? [02:12] Hmm, someone wants to fork ubuntu [02:12] oh? [02:12] who [02:12] and hi crimsun and Kyral [02:12] 'lo ming [02:12] yo [02:12] Kyral: -devel list [02:12] minghua, I haven't checked my mail all week and won't until I get back to school tomorrow === Kyral shudders as he thinks how much mail there will be to download [02:13] Kyral: did you abandon packaging spe ? [02:13] spe? [02:13] sounds familier [02:13] from Jan. 17thu [02:13] you uploaded it to REVU [02:14] you having FTBFS issues? [02:14] I mean you can do it if you want... [02:14] yeah, but of the packaging kind so far [02:14] You can take my work I don't mind [02:14] there is already a source package newer than your's in Ubuntu [02:14] but it FTBFS [02:15] I'm effectively out of this release cycle [02:15] I was just wondering if we should nuke yours [02:15] go ahead [02:15] It seems like I will be out of every other release cycle lol [02:15] due to school [02:15] makes sense [02:16] Kyral: you're still in school??? [02:16] I *should* be out [02:16] Hobbsee, college [02:16] ah ok [02:16] Christopher Peterman, Clarkson University Computer Science Sopomore [02:17] Se7h: ok, so I got it to build [02:17] greta [02:17] *great [02:18] ahhh, much better than natroll [02:18] seth just made me think....i stole your junk, seth [02:18] hum? [02:18] the 7 thing, nvm [02:18] back to work now for me [02:18] ah [02:18] :p [02:18] Kyral: ah fun. i'm kind of wishing that i was doign computer sci now [02:19] lol no you don't [02:19] I am up against the Binary Bomb soon [02:19] oyah add in Information Technology minor [02:19] ah ok [02:19] whats your major Hobbsee [02:20] Kyral: i'm doing a bachelor of technology in optoelectronics [02:20] optowha? [02:20] LOL! [02:20] cybernetic optical implants [02:20] oh [02:20] hmm [02:20] lol, j/k [02:20] eye candy, dude. KDE, remember? [02:20] lol [02:20] Kyral: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optoelectronics [02:21] maybe like optical switching? [02:21] mm...nice shiny lasers... [02:21] can you replace my eyes with some really cool cyborg eyes? [02:21] among other things [02:21] hehe - they'll be bright purple? [02:21] ....tthat would be kinda cool actually.... [02:21] okay I go watch Austin Powers [02:21] lol [02:22] hehe [02:22] Grooovy Baby YEAH! :P === LaserJock heard the mention of LASERS ;-) [02:22] DOWN BOY! [02:22] crimsun: then again, i see that there's a nice fade in gnome now, for the sudo password dialog box... [02:22] LOL! [02:22] Hobbsee, thats been around for a while... [02:23] or did you just go to Dapper? [02:23] i havent used gnome since hoary, so... [02:23] you guys mean gksudo? [02:23] yeah [02:23] I hadn't used KDE since Slack 10 about 3 years ago :P [02:23] it's greatly improved - the gnome, that is [02:23] but yah, GROOVINESS CALLS :D [02:23] I just want frickin lasers on my Ubuntu splash [02:24] i wish kde was a bit better in ubuntu [02:24] Oh I love the Dapper GNOME Splash :D [02:24] rofl yeah! [02:24] i just always had integration problems between various programs [02:24] pity kde has nothing like that [02:24] crimsun: heck yeah! [02:24] hmmm [02:24] SOMEONE MAKE ONE :D === Hobbsee is liasing with the guy who's doing the usplash/etc for kubuntu, so might suggest it === Kyral pulls out The GIMP [02:25] then you'd have to use kde to get it! [02:25] Hobbsee, I do :P [02:25] well, on this laptop it's Xubuntu [02:25] anyway yah, groovy time...for real :D [02:25] hehe sure [02:26] Hobbsee, is the usplash thing easy to change out with soemthing else? i'm looking at doing it for this project i'm workin on [02:27] yes, it's pretty straight-forward [02:27] coooool [02:27] look at the *artwork-usplash packages for examples [02:27] which bit is the usplash? i always get confused between the usplash, and the splash screen [02:27] as long as i don't have to sacrifice anymore chickens [02:27] usplash is what you see after grub [02:27] no, they've moved to geese sacrifices [02:27] argh! [02:27] crimsun: right, yep. that's th way around i thought it was [02:27] splash is what you see when logging into your graphical environment [02:27] gotcha [02:28] what's the u in usplash for? [02:28] userspace [02:28] usplash, isplash, we all splash for.... [02:28] confusing name choices if you ask me :-( [02:28] (as opposed to what's in Fedora Core, which is kernelspace) [02:28] ok, cool [02:28] Ubuntu? Uber? Unbelievable? [02:29] Uberunbelievableubuntu IMO [02:29] hehe [02:29] what a mess to update networkmanager ;) [02:29] now just *imagine* how many misspellings of that there would be in the forums, etc [02:29] lol [02:30] forget searching for it [02:30] there are so many differences since 0.5.1 [02:30] Tonio_: did you end up packaging knetworkmanager? seeing as mine's being a pain, and not making correctly? [02:30] Hobbsee: about too [02:30] 10 hours on it [02:30] I had to patch new libs, update all patches, and finally package knetworkmanager [02:31] ah, fun [02:31] but the difference with the actual ubuntu package is hudge, really [02:31] http://kubuntu.np-ip.org [02:31] but the repo isn't complete yet, may have to wait a bit :) [02:32] yeah, you guys are going to fall over when we update wpasupplicant ;) [02:32] the network-manager package isn't gunctionnal for knetworkmanager (libnm-util needed) [02:32] crimsun: I hadded there the new version of wpasupplicant siretart worked on [02:32] don't know if that is working actually, I can't test [02:32] Tonio_: yes, 0.5.1-1 in Debian exp [02:33] crimsun: I ported it to ubuntu, you can find it on that repo [02:33] I'm about to fakesync 0.4.7-4 [02:33] http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/ [02:33] sorry for the bad link [02:33] gah, I can't fakesync, since we'll have another delta. [02:34] but wpasupplicant there is not the latest.... should be working anyway [02:35] Tonio_: testing it out [02:36] Hobbsee: wait a bit please ;) [02:36] this is not functionnal actually ;) === Hobbsee shrugs [02:36] a little late now! [02:37] seems to all be still working [02:38] Hobbsee: yes, but that networkmanager package is not complete to make knetworkmanager building [02:38] need another package splitted from it [02:39] right [02:39] Hobbsee: you can update, should be okay now ;) [02:39] I'm finishing knetworkmanager === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] :) === Hobbsee kills yet another ant! [02:42] you got ants down there? [02:43] yes [02:43] unfortunately [02:43] how different is building a source package over a binary package? [02:44] err, rephrase, how different is building a source package versus building a binary package? [02:44] umm, you use the source package to build the binary package [02:44] oh? ok, i must have already built a source package then [02:45] yes === na7e must have missed that point (i'm in the terrible habit of that) [02:46] na7e: ok, so the .dsc .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz files make up the source package. that source package than can then be built (by pbuilder or buildd) into the binary .deb package [02:47] ahhhh [02:47] LaserJock, many thanks for clearing that up, as usual [02:48] na7e: *shameless plug* you might check out http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gettingstarted-chap.html [02:48] LaserJock, bookmarked :) [02:49] someone needs to teach a class on all this at my school or something..... [02:49] well, we do have #ubuntu-motu-school ;-) [02:49] na7e: sometimes, there's a motu school [02:49] which i want to go to, at some point [02:51] i haven't seen one yet, and i'd love to be there when it happens [02:51] LaserJock, this guide looks much better than what i've come across so far, i'll read it now [02:52] well, I'm still working on it. but it is suposed to ship with Dapper [02:52] oh sweeeeeet === Hobbsee bookmarks as well [02:52] well, i'll tell you if i hit any hickups [02:52] it is on your computers right now in fact [02:52] ooooh, that's eery sorta [02:53] it isn't very current but it will get there [02:53] Hobbsee: it is on KDE too but even less current :( [02:53] yeah, i've used the kde one before [02:54] LaserJock, found a mistake. Make>Description> 'informations' should be 'information' [02:54] muahahah [02:55] ok, I'm editing it at the moment. thanks for the catch [02:55] oh, in chapter 1, btw, but i'm sure you'll catch it later anyways [02:55] np [02:56] LaserJock, want me to just make a list of all the mistakes i find? because I just found another... [02:56] na7e: yeah, and send them to mantha AT ubuntu.com [02:56] god I suck, I just sent an e-mail to control with "tag" instead of "tags" [02:58] will do [02:58] crimsun: hehe, I always check the instruction page when writing to control, never remember those commands (except thanks, perhaps) [03:06] anyone have a brief explanation of what a cxx transition is? [03:07] na7e: we had one in dapper and one in breezy, and IMHO they are different types [03:07] na7e: so which one are you asking about? === papyromancer [n=papyroma@cpe-24-165-210-176.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] minghua, i'm not sure, i'm seeing in: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/intro-chap.html [03:09] minghua, under Apt/Dpkg section under apt-cache dump [03:09] it mentions it almost assuming we would know what the heck it was :) [03:10] na7e: basically it's about one library package changes its name [03:11] ok [03:11] thanks [03:12] na7e: yeah, make a note of that in your email ;-) [03:12] na7e: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition [03:13] na7e: read the "C++ ABI Transition" part if you really want to know [03:13] but you don't really need to know that IMO [03:13] it's not like we are going to have another c++ transition anytime soon [03:13] (knock on wood) [03:14] LaserJock, I did, w00t :) [03:15] yeah, I'll give that a quick read [03:16] well, I need feedback from potential readers so it would be helpful === minghua is not sure if crimsun's knocking is about his comments on c++ transtion... [03:16] I just hope the packaging guide gets done soon. we have a documentation team freeze coming up [03:16] (yes, since that would be hellish) [03:17] i see what you mean about the libraries all changing, that would take virtually a complete recompilation of all binary packages, wouldn't it? [03:21] LaserJock, for the email and the filenames, what is the formal name of the guide? [03:22] na7e: Ubuntu Packaging Guide [03:22] hi === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] thx [03:22] hi ajmitch and slomo [03:22] hi ajmitch [03:23] hi LaserJock === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] slomo: hi. I worked on a fakesync of wpasupplicant, but there appear to be some bugs in Debian BTS that I'm not comfortable fakesyncing it [03:34] crimsun: and we don't have this bugs? [03:34] not yet [03:34] ok... then don't sync before they're fixed :) [03:34] however, one could potentially see them [03:34] will need to discuss with Reinhard === crimsun finds bugs in alsa-lib and alsa-utils [03:39] LaserJock, who is mantha? [03:39] na7e, him :P [03:39] oh, lol [03:39] na7e: my name is Jordan Mantha ;-) [03:39] ok, i explained who i was, ha! :) [03:39] LaserJock == Jordan Mantha :P [03:40] if (LaserJock == 'Jordan Mantha') {print "Doh!";} [03:41] Generally we have our names in our whois data [03:41] na7e: got the email, thanks. [03:41] np, i'll work on it later this week too [03:41] i'll plan on it, rather :-) [03:42] i really need to write up something on what i'm doing with this installation CD.... [03:42] might be helpful to someone === dolzzzon is now known as dolson [03:43] hi dolson [03:43] see, that's the advantage of using just your name as your nick ;-) (and the advantage of having short name) [03:43] hey LaserJock [03:44] minghua, I had this nick before coming on Freenode, otherwise it would be petermcv or somesuch [03:47] me too === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] i've changed mine like 3 times so far...sigh....no one will remember me.... [03:49] I dropped my old nick when I start hanging out on IRC [03:49] raphink: available ? [03:49] I like being LaserJock but unfortunately my LP id is mantha [03:49] physically yes Tonio_, not sure my mind is ... [03:51] does anyone know if the installer on the breezy CD will freak out if I add the universe repo? [03:51] as in, I add it to the pool on the CD [03:52] yeah, i didn't think anyone knew, I've got some fun testing ahead of me [03:55] how do I make my own GPG key? [03:57] na7e: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto [03:58] LaserJock, I just found that, any recommendations on which program is superior though? GPA or seahorse? [03:58] I usually just use the CLI ;-) [03:58] seahorse is nice, if it works [03:59] ha [04:00] is there a length-limit for use with motu? === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] crimsun: thanks for uploading ardour [04:25] dolson: np === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] LaserJock cant i add images to it? [04:32] o.0 [04:34] Se7h: to what? sorry my connection got screwed up [04:34] i saw [04:34] i had to add a 'skins' dir to the source with the program images [04:34] and now debuild doesnt like it much [04:39] what does it say [04:41] dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source [04:41] debuild: fatal error at line 768: [04:42] after ignoring the deletion of loads of files [04:42] Se7h: where are you adding them? [04:42] the files? [04:43] to the orig.tar.gz? [04:43] ah no [04:43] first i add them to the build dir, and after a failure i added them also to the orig [04:43] i guess they're both wrong [04:44] hmm, it shouldn't be a problem if they are in the .orig.tar.gz [04:44] my thought [04:44] but i guess it is [04:45] are you sure it is in the .orig.tar.gz and no the diff.gz === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] in the diff ? [04:46] the diff.gz has only a file right? [04:46] no [04:47] the diff.gz has everything that isn't in the .orig.tar.gz [04:47] :o [04:47] so that must be it [04:47] lol === amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] LaserJock can i just erase both orig and diff files? :p [05:08] Se7h: just unpack the orig add your files and re-tar it [05:08] i did that and debuild didnt like it [05:08] i'll do it again [05:08] (it worked with no orig and diff files) [05:09] what did debuild give you? [05:09] a good source [05:09] and a nice deb package after it [05:09] and spe works 100% now [05:09] lol [05:09] im gonna add those files to the orig tho === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] na7e: ok, you changes have been commited to the doc team svn repo. thanks [05:22] ok [05:22] finaly [05:22] LaserJock done [05:23] 100% [05:23] yeah? [05:23] np LaserJock [05:23] yeah [05:25] whats next? [05:25] uploading.. [05:26] omg wheres that 'dput' thing on the wiki ? [05:26] need url [05:27] wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU [05:32] Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2.dsc: done. [05:32] Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2.diff.gz: done. [05:32] Uploading via ftp spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done. [05:32] Successfully uploaded packages. [05:32] thats it? [05:32] ol.0 [05:40] Se7h: use debuild -S -sa and reupload (remove the .upload file or use -f with dput) [05:41] Se7h: the -sa includes the .orig.tar.gz [05:42] ok [05:42] dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source [05:42] debuild: fatal error at line 768: [05:42] oh no [05:42] that again [05:42] lol [05:45] LaserJock but i do the pbuilder again right? === Erlang_ just noticed Lintian doesn't run on his package in REVU. [05:46] Se7h: no, you don't need to use pbuilder [05:46] LaserJock ok [05:47] just debuild [05:47] and dput [05:47] yeah [05:47] Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de [05:47] Doing nothing for spe_0.8.2a-0ubuntu2_source.changes [05:47] :| [05:47] oh right [05:47] forget it [05:48] you can force the upload with dput -f [05:48] LaserJock done === Erlang_ is now known as Erlang [05:48] warty was the first ubuntu release, right? [05:50] right [05:54] LaserJock work done? [05:55] Se7h: so did you see the lintian and linda report on REVU? [05:56] ahm...no [05:56] help me on that [05:57] LaserJock: Sorry to bother you, but can I ask you why the Lintian report for kpl is "N: Skipping check of source package kpl" ? [05:57] Se7h: go to revu.tauware.de and look up spe [05:58] Erlang: you need to include the .orig.tar.gz in the upload [05:59] Erlang: use debuild -S -sa when making the source package [05:59] LaserJock oh ok [05:59] its nice to have feedback :p [05:59] oh. thank you [06:00] That .orig.tar.gz is my curse. I forget it all the time. [06:05] oh good I've got a clean lintian check now ;D [06:07] one thing LaserJock, thats what i must do or what the reviewer will do ? [06:07] that english of him is tricky [06:08] Se7h: what is your question? what happens now? [06:08] no [06:08] well kinda [06:08] i read [06:08] 'shall' [06:09] does that mean i have to do what he says there [06:09] or that he shall do all that stuff? [06:09] 2 # python setup.py clean --< this line shall be removed from debian/rules <- and where the hell is this? o.0 [06:10] Se7h: that is from a previous upload. Kyral had started packaging spe [06:10] Se7h: but he doesn't want it [06:10] oh [06:10] LOL [06:10] ok dont care about me [06:10] im just sleepy [06:10] np [06:14] one more thing LaserJock (sorry) [06:14] np [06:14] i dont need to upload the orig again do i ? [06:14] I think you might. I can't remember how REVU works but I think you need to. [06:15]