/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/03/25/#kubuntu-devel.txt

=== mornfall disappears for tonight -- good night :)
=== Lure goes to bed too
PygiLura, you can't do that ;)12:05
Pyginot yet at least12:05
LurePygi: ;-) I have to - kids will jump on me at 6:30 and then day-job is waiting for me12:06
Lure;-)12:06
PygiLure: bah12:06
Pygikk12:06
Pyginight12:06
raphinkhehe12:07
=== je4d [n=jeff@peridot.caffeinated.me.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel []
=== poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel
PygiTonio_:ping01:02
Tonio_Pygi: 01:02
Tonio_ping ?01:02
=== Pygi spams, and tells everyone to test new n-m
sebasPygi: It crashes here if I change the network via the systray popup.01:18
sebasI'm now doing a dist-upgrade to check.01:18
Pygisebas: please post the bug, with traces, info on how to reproduce, etc. to the ubuntu-devel mailing list01:18
Pygikk, great01:18
sebasubuntu or kubuntu-devel?01:18
Pygiubuntu-devel01:19
sebasOk.01:19
Pygiyou can direct to kubuntu-devel as well, once my annoucement reaches there01:20
sebasIt's there already.01:22
sebasYou're Mario, right?01:22
Pygiah,kk01:22
Pygiyup01:22
sebasOk.01:22
Pyginow I doubled my post ... joy :-/01:22
sebasHehe.01:23
Pygiit's not funny01:23
Pygi;)01:23
Pygithen you can just respond to that thread with issues, bugs, etc01:23
Pygiand while ur at it, please say to ignore the other post  ^_^01:24
Pygithanks01:24
raphinkhmmm01:32
Pygiraphink: yes?01:33
raphinkhmm just wondering01:33
raphinkwhat is your contribution in network-manager actually?01:33
Pygiraphink: testing, fixing, finding people to test, writing wiki's, reporting issues, and a lot of nice things ^_^01:34
raphinknice01:34
Pygiraphink: it will be nice if it really works for most people, and we can get it into dapper ^_^01:35
sebasI'm somewhat missing the option to store network configurations.01:38
sebasIf I have to type the wep keys of different networks manually everytime, that renders it useless for me.01:39
sebasDoes n-m support something like that?01:39
Tonio_sebas: it does01:39
sebasAh, how?01:39
Tonio_sebas: knetworkmanager of nm-applet ?01:39
sebasknetworkmanager was the thing I've started.01:40
Tonio_./.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc01:40
Tonio_remove this maybe ;)01:40
Tonio_dunno where the passwords are stored in fact01:41
Tonio_it just works here01:41
sebasI don't have that file.01:42
Tonio_sebas: did you simply restart kde since the installation ?01:43
sebasYes.01:43
sebasNow it doesn't even find my network adapter01:43
raphinkPygi: just so you know, there's no need to build it for ppc (or for any arch) before putting it in the official repos ;)01:49
Pygiraphink: yes, yes, yes ;)01:49
=== Pygi has to agree ;)
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Pygiwb Tonio_02:07
=== mario_ [n=mario@83-131-247-111.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel
raphinkpowerpc packages for networkmanager/wlassistant/wpasupplicant/knetworkmanager/powersave/kpowersave are built and available :)02:42
=== claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== je4d [n=jeff@kde/developer/je4d] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034213166.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hunger [n=tobias@p54A6134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== andre^off [n=snatch@static-ip-62-75-169-150.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== PounK [n=jkhc@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Get]
=== seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.73] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0C5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0C5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel
ubijtsamornfall: thank you :)06:07
=== viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.73] has left #kubuntu-devel []
=== Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@60.55.227.27] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Tm_T will start to test Gnome
hungerAnyone using the new network-manager stuff?10:05
Tm_TI'm using Gnome, is it bad enough?10:06
hungerdoes not work at all here... the nm-applet for gnome does not even start.10:06
hungerkNM does start but sits there sulking about my box not having any connection whatsoever.10:07
hungerAnd WPA (which worked before) is broken now, too:-(10:08
=== hunger should stop jumping on all new packages.
=== Tm_T should stop using Gnome
Tm_TI feel sick...10:09
hungerTm_T: I actually was trying to switch to gnome for a while, too.10:09
Tm_TI'm just testing10:09
Tm_Tnot switching, you evil!10:10
hungerBut since I couldn't get that to accept my keycombos I stopped doing that.10:10
=== hunger sighs.
Lurehunger: yes, I do10:14
hungerLure: Does it do anything for you?10:15
Lureyes, it works as it should10:15
Lurehunger: what kind ofwifi driver are you using10:15
hungerLure: Sits here claiming "no networks" and that's it.10:15
hungerLure: madwifi.10:15
Luredid you install/update also l-r-m drivers?10:15
hungerLure: I upgraded the l-r-m, so that should be OK (I think).10:15
hungerLure: And it does not recognize my wired net either.10:16
Luredid you try commenting out interfaces in /e/n/interfaces10:16
=== hunger is useng the cable right now since WPA is completly screwed up since the upgrade.
hungerLure: Yeap... those are empty.10:17
Lureit only works if you have dhcp or not listed there 10:17
hungerLure: I have both eth0 and ath0 on dhcp (and tried disableing both as well).10:17
Lurewhat does iwlist scan tell you?10:17
Luredoes it find any network?10:17
hungerLure: It gives a list of networks... looks sane.10:18
Lureyou should do the following: kill NetworkManager and quit knetworkmanager10:18
hungerLure: It does list mine with correct params and a couple of those of my neighbors.10:18
Lurethen "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" from one terminal and knetworkmanager from other10:18
hungerLure: I did... even rebooted (more to see the new usplash screen). No change.10:18
Lurethis will give you progress messages10:18
hungerLure: OK, will try that.10:19
LureRiddell had also problems (he is using airo) 10:19
LureI would just like to see if it is the same...10:19
hungerLure: NetworkManager gives a line "starting..." and then sits there.10:20
hungerLure: Starting kNM adds a new line "Updating allowed wireless network lists."10:20
hungerLure: That's it.10:21
hungerkNM says "no network devices found".10:21
Lurethis is strange...10:22
Lureis NetworkManagerDispatcher running?10:22
Lure(I am on Breezy currently and cannot check)10:22
Lureyou may want to ping _ion or Pygi (in #ubuntu-devel) and discuss in private message10:23
hungerLure: Not anymore...10:23
Lurethey are maintaining NM core packages10:23
hungerLure: Let me see what happens if I start it.10:24
Lurehunger: NM and NMDispatcher are supposed to be started by dbus (AFAIK), maybe killing NM caused it (but I do not have such experience)10:24
hungerLure: Got both runnig at the same time now: Same messages.10:26
ubijtsa2mornfall: do you know if the updated adept packages have been posted yet? /me no seeing them10:26
Lurehunger: AFAIR, NM should print much more on startup with --no-daemon10:27
LureI am sorry, but I will have to run now and will be offline for couple of hours.10:28
hungerLure: Hey... suddenly it does!10:28
Lureit does what?10:28
hungerLure: gave lots of text...10:30
hungerLure: eth0 seems to work now... No idea what I just changed...10:31
Luremadwifi driver does not support bacground scan, maybe this is why it took so long?10:31
LureBTW, this scan issue may also cause disconnects...10:31
Lureany error in messages?10:32
hungerLure: No, I commented out the eth0/ath0 lines in /etc/network/interfaces again.10:32
hungerLure: This time this caused eth0 to be recognized...10:32
Luredoes it mention ath0 at all in messages?10:32
Lure(maybe is not aware of it?)10:33
hungerLure: Yes, it does now.10:33
LureOK, but still no networks?10:33
hungerLure: It can not connect with it, but it detects my AP now.10:33
LureOK, you are using WPA?10:34
Lureis wpasupplicant running (it should not!)10:34
hungerLure: Damn... restarted dbus to get back to the "default" NM and now the wlan is gone again.10:34
hungerAt least he keapt eth0 this time.10:34
Lurethis is a bit strange, maybe somthing is taking over your ath010:35
Lureis wpasupplicant or dhclient running on ath0?10:35
LureYou should disable wpasupplicant (ENABLED=0 in /e/d/wpasupplicant)10:35
LureNM takes over control and calls wpasupplicant as required10:36
hungerLure: I did that.10:37
hungerLure: WPA did work (via ifup/down) before just fine.10:37
hungerAh... ath0 is "temporarily unavailable" whatever that is supposed to mean.10:38
Lurehunger: I think some process is taking your ath010:40
Lureis wpasupplicant or dhclient running for ath0?10:40
hungerLure: I turned wireless of via the kNM applet... I think that was a bad idea.10:40
LureWPA works completely different with NM (over dbus) as before (config file with ifup/ifdpown)10:41
LureTurn it on again (I did not test this)10:41
=== hunger hates NM:-)
hungerLure: I did. It won't come back.10:41
Luredo "ps -ef | grep wpasupp"10:41
Lurecheck /etc/default/wpasupplicant that "ENABLED=0"10:42
hungerAh! there it is again!10:42
hungerrmmod ath_pci && modprobe ath_pci sometimes do wonders;-)10:42
=== raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lurehunger: I have to run now, I will be back in couple of hours10:43
hungerLure: Thanks for your help so far!10:43
Lureno problem 10:43
Lurewe need testers like you!10:43
LureIf you find something, you may want to put it into wiki page (comments)10:44
Lurebye10:44
=== allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
hungersee you around.10:45
hungerMy kwallets vanished again! might that be due to kNM?10:46
=== Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
hungerRiddell: How about setting KDE_NO_IPV6 by default?11:51
hungerRiddell: Speeds up konqui for webbrowsing a lot here.11:51
=== Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mornfallubijtsa2: no12:05
mornfallubijtsa2: they will be uploaded sometime this work-week i hope :)12:05
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
ubijtsamornfall: ok, no sweat :)12:26
mornfallubijtsa: if you want to try, get ept source package, in libept/packagedetails.cpp add KMimeType::defaultMimeTypePtr(); before m_thread = asyncCall... line (somewhere around line 132)12:30
mornfallubijtsa: debuild, install and try out :)12:30
ubijtsamornfall: I think I'll wait ;)12:30
mornfallbah12:30
ubijtsahehe12:31
ubijtsaI have other thing on my mind at the moment.. like preparing for a presentation about performance testing.. :-/12:31
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kmonHi, I'm trying the new knetworkmanager, but I seem to be to dumb to get it to work with my ipw2200. Can someone help me?12:33
hungerkmon: Sorry, I am too dumb, too.12:34
hungerkmon: And the user-channel should be a better place to ask such questions (even though I did ask here, too;-)12:35
kmonhunger: ok.12:35
=== hunger got eth0 to work now.
kmonhunger: can you help me then?12:37
Riddellkmon: try moving /etc/network/interfaces out the way, that affects it12:40
Riddellneed to restart NetworkManager after12:40
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellhunger: I don't notice any difference12:41
hungerRiddell: With KDE_NO_IPV6?12:41
Riddellyeah12:41
kmonRiddell: ok, i'll try it now.12:41
hungerRiddell: Maybe you got a proper ipv6 DNS then.12:41
hungerRiddell: Halves konqui load times to half for me.12:41
Riddellno, I don't12:41
=== Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete]
HobbseeLure: hey.  repo worked - knetworkmanager is acting weirdly though12:44
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete]
hungerRiddell: Hmmm.... did you set it before konqui is started (i.e. in /etc/X11/Xsession.d?12:44
Riddellhunger: I set it on command line, started konqi from that command line and raced the konqi and my old konqi instance to load various websites12:49
Riddellbut I have no ipv6 in my resolv.conf or routing table12:49
Riddelldo you?12:49
LureHobbsee: which wifi driver?12:55
HobbseeLure: ndiswrapper.  card is netgear wg511 v212:56
Lureinteresting - I though that ndiswrapper is no-go with NM...12:56
Lurewhat problems do you have? disconnects?12:56
Hobbseelemme reply in a bit...12:57
Hobbseenyah to that idiot.12:58
Hobbseeright, now.12:58
HobbseeLure: it shows as d/c'd, says no network device found, but gives me the option to disable wireless, or to work in offline mode12:59
LureHobbsee: you can try killing NetworkManager and start it with sudo and --no-daemon to get messages reported01:00
=== Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lurealso if you start knetworkmanager manually in termnial, you get messages01:01
Lurethen it might tell you more (if your card is at all considered...)01:01
HobbseeERROR: Communication problem with knetworkmanager, it probably crashed.01:01
Hobbseesarah@sarah:~$ knetworkmanager: [static DBusHandlerResult DBusConnection::networkManagerInfoMessageHandler(DBusConnection*, DBusMessage*, void*)]  getNetworks01:01
Hobbseebut it's there, same stuff as before01:01
LureBTW, did you check your /e/n/interfaces that your wifi is either dhcp or commented out?01:01
Hobbseeyeah, it's dhcp, but it has wap encryption01:02
LureHobbsee: you should not have anything in /e/n/interfaces about wifi (only dhcp line is allowed)01:02
Hobbseenot even auto wlan0?01:02
Lureall WEP/WPA is specfied in kNM and stored in wallet01:02
Lurenot needed, but can stay01:03
=== hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Hobbseeand it's got the WPA supplicant set to start01:03
Lurewpasupplicant has to have ENABLED=0 in /e/d/wpasupplicant - it will be now managed by NM01:04
Lurethrough dbus01:04
Hobbseeah ok01:04
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kmonDoes anyone here know how do I scan for available networks with knetwork manager in dapper?01:09
Hobbseeit's iwlist wlan0 scan, via command line01:10
Lurekmon: they should just get listed by default (in main menu, under wired)01:10
Lurekmon: which wifi driver do you have?01:10
kmonipw220001:10
Lureipw2200 should work - can you check which driver version?01:11
Luredmesg | grep ipw220001:11
LureI am using 1.1.0 and is working great (new kernel, hopefully today will have ipw2200 1.1.1)01:11
kmon1.0.1001:12
kmonit's the one provided by dapper01:12
kmonI can't find where I can set the channel in a wifi connection01:15
Lurekmon: why would you need to set the channel - NM kind of work only with default settings (fixed ones are not supporte (yet?))01:18
LureI am not sure, maybe 1.0.10 is too old.01:19
Lurebut you should first check /e/n/interfaces and comment out all manual settigns for you wifi (only allowed lines are auto and dhcp01:19
kmonLure: I've removed everything in /etc/network/interfaces except or lo01:20
kmonLure: I want to set the channel because I have manually changed the channel in my router config long ago01:21
kmonLure: and i'm using ipw2200 driver privided by default dapper kernel01:21
Lurekmon: but if router is on fixed channel, then client should connect on that one, shouldn;'t it?01:21
kmonLure: I don't know.... I also have essid hidden01:22
kmonmaybe thats the problem?01:22
Lurecan you kill NetworkManager and start it with "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" in console to see messages?01:22
Lurehidden essid can be specified (not tried it though)01:22
Lurethere should be "Connect other Wireless network..." or similar in kNM menu01:23
LureI suppose you would need to enter it once and then would be stored in KDE wallet (at least WEP/WPA keys are there)01:23
Hobbseehmm...this is weird01:24
HobbseeLure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1054901:25
kmonLure: yes, I can see the connect to another network01:25
LureHobbsee: do you have NM running in other terminal (--no-daemon)?01:26
Hobbseenot that i know of01:26
Hobbseetrying to kill it - no process killed01:26
=== mvo [n=egon@p54A66BD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lathiatcan someone please tell me, where im supposed to be able to find the history in konqueror01:33
RiddellF9, history tab01:33
Riddellhi mvo 01:33
Lathiathistory tab?01:34
Riddellthe one with the clock01:34
Lathiatoh, i see01:34
Lathiatso like, .. why do i need a keyboard shortcut to find the history :\01:34
Lathiatseems to me it should at least be in a menu01:35
LureHobbsee: did you reboot (I get out of ideas... ;-))01:35
HobbseeLure: i didnt01:36
Lurehunger reported that even reloading wifi driver helped (a bit ;-), maybe similar with security01:37
Hobbseeit didnt work, from when i rebooted earlier01:37
mvohello Riddell01:40
ubijtsa2*grrr*01:41
=== ubijtsa2 has lost patience with skim.. where's the BFG9k
=== raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kmonLure: Hi again, I've changed the channel via cli and now knetworkmanager shows all available networks, but it still doesn't connect to my home wlan01:51
kmonI went to winxp and managed to connect so the password seems to be OK01:51
Lurekmon: remind me - which security do you use?01:52
kmonWPA01:52
Luredo you have ENABLED=0 in /etc/default/wpasupplicant?01:54
Lureis wpasupplicant running (it should not)01:54
kmonLure: I have ENABLED=0 01:55
kmonwpasupplicant doesn't seem to be running, it's not in ps -A01:55
LureOK, then kill NetworkManager, start from terminal with "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" and look for messages that are reported then you try to connect01:56
=== hunger [n=tobias@p54A638F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
LureBTW, does kNM ask you for WPA password? if not, you may also want to start kNM from terminal and look for its messages01:56
hungerLure: Did you get my last couple of messages?01:57
hungerLure: kNM works now for me... I needed to "Connect to other network" once.01:57
hungerLure: Now it works, even when I click on the network.01:57
Lurehunger: great! 01:57
hungerLure: So how do I start/stop the interfaces on the commandline?01:58
Lure1 down, 3 to go (current number of people to help ;-))01:58
Lurehunger: what do you mean with stop? disconnect?01:58
hungerLure: I use ifup/ifdown a lot... how does that work with NM now?01:59
Lureyou can always use ifconfig directly (ifconfig <interface> up/down) - I am just concerned that NM may reconnect02:00
hungerLure: I.e. my backup script tries to bring up eth0 with ifup before starting...02:00
Lurehunger: maybe there is other way (maybe dbus call to NM?), but I do not know. sorry.02:00
hungerLure: Yes, ifconfig works... but ifup/ifdown (which is way more comftable) does not work anymore since I needed to remove the definitions for ath0/eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces.02:00
Lurehunger: you can leave /e/n/interfaces in, if it is only auto and dhcp line02:01
LureNM only cares if you have any manual config (static IP, essid, channel) - such interfaces are skipped by NM02:02
Lurewiki page is a bit misleading... maybe this will allow you to use both: ifup/ifdown + NM...02:02
LureI am on Breezy now, so I cannot test (and no WIFI here to test)02:02
=== Hobbsee tests out
hungerHmm~.~.02:03
hungerLure: Nope... NM freezes when you have some dhcp configured:-(02:04
Lureinteresting...02:05
Lureit works for me (just checked by Dapper config file...)02:06
LureI have "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" lines and it works02:06
Lurehunger: is this the same you tested with?02:06
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel
hungerLure: I have no auto line, just the iface eth0 inet dhcp.02:07
Lureadd auto line and check - I think you need it02:07
HobbseeLure: well, we're making progress.  it does start, now, and finds the network, just doesnt accept the wpa key - gets stuck on activation02:08
LureENABLED=0?02:08
hungerLure: I do not want a auto line... and even if NM does not like iface without auto it should not start getting dbus-errors!02:08
LureHobbsee: kNM asks you for key?02:08
Hobbseeyes, then doesnt seem to accept it02:09
Lurehunger: I agree... :-(02:09
=== Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lurethis is why we are testing...02:09
LureHobbsee: does it ask for right version of WPA (1 or 2) and encryption (TKIP/AES)?02:09
LureHobbsee: any running wpasupplicant process?02:10
Hobbseedidnt see it ask for which version of wpa, but it did ask about encytion, which i left as auto02:10
HobbseeLure: no02:10
LureHobbsee: I had similar issue yesterday (too many hacking on my system)... it helped to removed kNM config file (~/.kde/share/config/... somewhere) and restart kNM02:11
Lureyou should also run it from terminal to see messages02:12
HobbseeLure: right02:12
hungerLure: The parser for /etc/network/interfaces is bogus!02:13
=== hunger [n=tobias@p54A638F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lurehunger: can you log this on wiki page?02:14
hungerLure: The parser for /etc/network/interfaces is bogus!02:15
hungerLure: It accepts the interface lines if "inet dhcp" is on a different line from "iface eth0"!02:15
hungerLure: ... which unfortunately is not valid in ifup/down.02:15
Lurehunger: please put your findings on wiki page (comments) and somebody will look into it02:16
LureRiddell: sorry for turning your channel into NM support ;-)02:17
Riddell:)02:18
Hobbseeguess most of the devel people will be usign this anyway02:19
HobbseeLure: i cant find thatconfig file02:19
LureHobbsee: just a minute...02:19
=== jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lure.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc02:20
Luremaybe is written on first successful connect, which you have not experienced yet...02:20
Lure;-)02:20
Hobbseeah...02:21
Hobbseewhich explains why i cant find it02:21
Lureor on quit?02:21
Hobbseeping02:23
LureHobbsee: ping what? ;-)02:24
Hobbseeping aka am i here?02:24
Hobbseei had a wireless connection!02:24
Luregreat!02:24
Lurewhy past tense? ;-)02:25
HobbseeLure: cos i switched back to wired, to try wireless again... :(02:25
Lurewhy :( - it does not work anymore?02:26
Riddellnice thing about knetworkmanager is that all it's problems seem to be in network-manager and not in the kde side02:26
Riddellmvo: how can we improve the icons in app-install-data?02:26
hungerSo now that WLAN works in KDE, when will suspend get tackled;-)02:26
LureRiddell: kNM (and nm-applet) are just small front-ends - not much code02:27
Lurehunger: you mean powersave? 02:27
hungerLure: It would be great if the applet would only ask for the kwallet password if it actually needs access to the passphrases.02:27
LureRiddell: but we will still have hard time with inclusion if we do not nail them down... ;-)02:28
hungerLure: But that is the only nit I found to pick on kNM:-)02:28
Lurehunger: we do not have latest sources (waiting for SuSE to publish) - maybe it is already addressed02:28
Lurehunger: you may put comment to kNM author on http://blog.nouse.net/02:29
=== Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Hobbsee_nyah!02:29
Hobbsee_hey Lure - it works!02:29
Hobbsee_just dont touch it after it does!02:29
LureHobbsee, hunger: will you put your experience to wiki page (under Issues/Comments)?02:30
HobbseeLure: okay, but i might do more testing first, see what happens after a reboot02:30
LureHobbsee: for sure...02:30
HobbseeRiddell: will knetworkmanager eventually not depend on networkmanager?02:30
hungerLure: Nope... I am too stupid to login to the wiki today.02:30
Lurehunger: lol02:31
RiddellHobbsee: how could it not?02:31
HobbseeRiddell: i dont know...i just dont like having to have a whole lot of gnome stuff on my kde machine :P02:31
mvoRiddell: sure, what improvments do you need?02:32
Riddellmvo: we have a lot of icons missing, I think it assumes gnome-icon-theme is installed?02:33
mvoRiddell: missing in what sense? from the gui? or from the icon directory?02:35
Riddellhmm, actually lots of kde ones are missing too (from the GUI)02:37
LureHobbsee: networkmanager was split to NM (no GNOME) + nm-applet (GNOME stuff like keyring...)02:39
LureI did not check, but there should not be (m)any GNOME dependencies...02:39
HobbseeLure: ah ok, cool :)02:40
=== Hobbsee has nm-applet installed anyway, IIRC - with gnome installed
Hobbseebut that wont be permanent02:41
=== Tm_T finds other DE/WM:s hilarious
Tm_TI tested Gnome and WindowMaker02:43
Tm_TGnome is pure hell02:43
Tm_Tgolden cage02:43
Tm_TWMaker is ok, but hwne I wanted to logout...02:44
=== freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@60.55.227.27] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Hobbsee+1 Tm_T 02:44
Tm_Tatleast ctrl+alt+backspace worked02:44
Hobbseehehe!02:44
Tm_TKDE <302:44
Tm_Tstupid people with their stupid designs... now out ->02:45
Riddellmvo: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/adept-installer.png02:48
Riddellmvo: how do icons get into app-install-data?02:48
=== mornfall appears out of thin air
=== mornfall is amazed that it's already almost 3pm
=== mornfall jumps at mvo asking what does he need in adept_batch
seaLnemornfall: thats the disadvantage of being +0100 :)02:50
seaLnei have another hour :)02:51
mornfallseaLne: i will be +0200 in a bit02:51
mornfallsun is up and running by 7am already02:51
seaLnei think tis weeked is wehn BST starts (+0100)02:51
=== mornfall notes that Riddell has probably even smaller font than me
mvomornfall: hello! thanks a lot of adding adept_batch. the current install/remove stuff should be fine for the needs of the language-selector02:52
seaLnewhat does the unsupported checkbox do? is that universe/multiverse?02:52
mvoRiddell: they are extracted from a small python script that scans the archives02:52
Riddellmvo: so how come none of those programmes have an icon that's included02:55
Riddellpresumably the script doesn't know how to find kde icons?02:55
Riddellmornfall: my custom KDM (used for usplash_down stuff) doesn't have the DPI setting script.  my eyes are starting to hurt a bit02:56
mvoRiddell: possible, I will have a look when I'm finished with my language-selector work (later this afternoon)03:01
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mornfallRiddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/emacs.png :)03:04
kmonHi. I want to help testing KPowersave.03:04
kmonWhere can I find packages for kubuntu?03:04
kmonI'm using dapper03:04
Hobbseekmon: ah, universe, i think03:05
kmonHobbsee: found here the announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-March/000910.html03:06
Hobbseeor is that in tonio_'s repo now?  a later version?03:07
Hobbseei dont remember03:07
mvohm, I see no difference between uncheck and tristate in my QListView with QCheckListItem. is that a theme issue?03:08
mvooh, solved03:08
mvosorry for the noise03:08
RiddellQt/KDE related noise is what this channel is all about03:09
=== faked [n=faked@83-65-235-58.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mvoRiddell: heh :) pyqt is rather nice I must say03:11
kmonIs there a gdebi interface planned for kubuntu?03:13
Riddellkmon: well, lets see how mvo gets on with his other qt ports :)03:13
kmonRiddell: ok. :)03:14
Riddellkmon: I believe it's not too difficult, just needs someone to do it03:14
kmonRiddell: And about kpowersave... do you think it might get into dapper?03:15
mvokmon: gdebi should be fairely straihtforward, especially since we have adept_batch now03:16
kmonmvo: thanks03:16
Riddellmvo: adept_batch is still in SVN, should be uploaded this week03:17
Riddellkmon: I have no idea alas, power stuff scares me and espresso is my priority03:17
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete]
=== Hobbsee is suprised - i'm actually having success with kpowersave
LureHobbsee: why suprised?03:22
Lureon i386 should work03:22
HobbseeLure: because klaptop worked for a bit, then crashed eveyr single time03:22
LureHobbsee: I know, and there is noboday to look in that obsolete code (I rather spend my preciosous time on powersave if I need than ready that)03:23
Hobbseehehe true03:23
=== Hobbsee is starting to be able to make bits of sense of the code
Lureproblem is that I got overexcited on kNM and now I want to stabalize that one first ;-)03:24
Hobbseehehe!03:29
=== Hobbsee wants knetworkmanager mroe than kpowersave anyway
LureHobbsee: it is true that hibernate at least still works with klaptop, while easy wireless connection when mobile is hard without kNM03:30
Hobbseetrue03:30
Hobbseehowever, i'm going to go to bed...night all03:30
cmvoHi! I don't know if this is a known issue, but here in flight5 the icons in kubuntu ksplash are drawn too far apart and overlap the frame.03:38
=== ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== ubijtsa_ [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel
jjessecmvo: i just noticed that today as well when i rebooted03:52
cmvojjesse: So I'm not alone. Should I file a bug?03:53
Riddellcmvo: it's fixed04:02
Riddellor it should be anyway, please update ksplash-engine-moodin and test04:02
cmvoRiddell: Hi! I'm about to update packages and shall try again.04:09
cmvoRiddell: I had hoped for a kubuntu version of the fullscreen moodin. I think it'd look good. But I guess the ksplash should be a continuation of the kdm theme.04:11
Riddellfullscreen moodin?04:16
cmvoRiddell: MoodinKDE, I think it is part of kplash-moodin-engine.04:18
=== faked [n=faked@85-124-45-121.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mornfallRiddell: btw, update04:50
Riddellmornfall: hmm?04:50
mornfallRiddell: many of the problems with adept freezing *may* be related to missing application/octet-stream04:51
Riddellmimetype?04:51
mornfallRiddell: for some reason, when running from notifier, kdesu somehow interacts with ksycoca or something like that, hiding the mimetype from app04:52
Riddellthat's quite evil04:52
mornfallRiddell: yes, and since libkio has a not-completely-nice habit of popping up dialog when it first finds out that the mimetype is not there, it often happens in a non-gui thread for adept04:53
mornfallRiddell: which leads to a deadlock04:53
mornfallRiddell: 1.91 will have a fix for this, but it will exhibit the problem in a different way -- popping up an error dialog about not finding application/octet-stream on startup04:54
mornfallRiddell: if the underlying problem cannot be fixed, i can make the dialog only pop up when user hits "details" for the first time in adept, since that's the only place i can think of where the mimetype snafu happens out of gui thread04:55
mornfallhowever there is no way to disallow the popup completely04:55
mornfallat least i have not found one04:55
Riddellok, we'll see how many people get hit by the problem with 1.91 then04:55
Riddellmaybe kdelibs could be patched in the worst case04:56
mornfallRiddell: i suspect many :|04:56
mornfalluh, that's ultra-evil04:56
mornfallexpect konqueror failing to report the problem and doing very strange things without warning to user04:56
=== jjesse_ [n=jjesse@216.109.196.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellyes04:57
=== jjesse_ [n=jjesse@216.109.196.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel
superstonedhey, about the performance stuff from lubos lunak i talked about a few days ago: i mailed him. some of the stuff is included in Qt 3.3.6, apps should start faster with it. these will make the biggest diff. he wil also commit the other ones, later on, to kde 3.5.3 or something like that. they will go in unchanged, as he thinks they're safe. to enjoy the serious benefits, fontconfig must be some 2.3.9x version. that's a bummer 05:00
superstonedthe gnomes want this version to get into dapper, too.05:00
mornfallRiddell: this bug alone is likely responsible for nontrivial portion of the hanging/freezing bugs reported since 1.88.x05:01
mornfallboth startup-time and clicking-details time05:01
superstonedso, to get KDE quite a bit faster, we need fontconfig > 2.3.9x and Qt 3.3.6. those will give the biggest speedup. the gnomes want the fontconfig version, as it'll make gnome faster, too. so it might very well end up in ubuntu.05:02
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete]
=== luka74 [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== fabo [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== luka74 is now known as Lure
=== Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034225113.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete]
=== faked [n=faked@85-124-46-48.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddell_Sime_: if I load up displayconfig in systemsettings from guidance 0.6.3 then leave it and load another guidance module it crashes06:12
=== Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellnot displayconfig, system services06:12
RiddellI think it's still building the services cache06:12
Tm_Taaah06:15
mornfallapokryphos: heya06:18
apokryphoshi there06:18
apokryphosmornfall: how you doing?06:19
mornfallapokryphos: could be worse :] 06:20
=== apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["So]
=== apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
apokryphosmornfall: how's developemtn+stuff going?06:21
=== apokryphos finds yet another odd kvirc shortcut which...../parts you 8)
mornfallapokryphos: fairly well -- fixing bugs06:22
apokryphosmornfall: I might try it out a little more extensively when I re-get on 'buntu and then check dear bug reports. Quite excited about using it :)06:23
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lurehi Tonio_06:24
Tonio_hello :)06:25
Tonio_Riddell: ping ?06:25
RiddellTonio_: hi06:25
Tonio_Riddell: did you receive my mail about knetworkmanager ?06:25
apokryphosmornfall: do you still use ekhis.org for adept news?  Doesn't load here06:25
Tonio_it ignores already configured cards in /etc/network/interfaces :)06:25
Tonio_Riddell: isn't tht your problem maybe ? sounds strange it doesn't work only for you06:25
RiddellTonio_: I did, and it lets me add wifi connections now but it still doesn't see my access point nor does it get dhcp06:26
Tonio_Riddell: that's to avoid conflicts in fact. networkmanager only manage interfaces without hardcoded parameters06:26
Tonio_Riddell: hum.........06:26
LureRiddell: do you have hidden essid?06:26
Tonio_sounds like a bug with your driver or something.... I played hours with it and to me everything is about perfect06:27
LureTonio_: maybe airo requires similar patch as madwifi did 06:27
Tonio_Lure: we can investigate06:27
LureI have already found on note on NM-devel about patch06:27
Tonio_Lure: I must say it is of course not perfect, but the global feedback is good :)06:27
LureTonio_: it works for Hobbsee and hunger 06:28
mornfallapokryphos: quite possible, the domain expires about now06:28
Tonio_yep, it globally works nicelly06:28
Lurebut they all had some problems out-of-the-box, so polish is needed on NM packages06:28
Tonio_Lure: I need to polish the networkmanager package......... they modified the tarball, so I need to repackage it cleanly to be acceptable for main06:29
LureTonio_: seen discussions on forums - mostly positive06:29
Tonio_Lure: yep ;)06:29
Tonio_Lure: fedora and opensuse now use networkmanager by default06:29
LureTonio_: have you seen post from mbiebl on ubuntu-devel?06:29
mornfalllame, powersaved segfaults on startup here06:29
RiddellLure: no06:29
Tonio_so I assume the software is now mature enough to be embedded in a distro06:29
Luremornfall: ppc?06:29
LureRiddell: just a minute...06:29
mornfallLure: centrino06:30
Luremornfall: strange - using Tonio_ repository?06:30
Tonio_Lure: I'm removing that crappy kgpg key on the repo06:30
mornfallLure: 0.11.x works, 0.12 does not -- sid06:30
LureRiddell, Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016646.html06:30
Tonio_mornfall: I have ubuntu packages for that if you wanna test ;)06:31
Tonio_mornfall: interested ?06:31
mornfallTonio_: i don't even have ubuntu... do they install on etch? :)06:31
=== mornfall downgrades powersaved back to etch
Luremornfall: just bug mbiebl - we will be glad to accept his fixes from upstream ;)06:31
mornfallworks :)06:31
Tonio_mornfall: no idea :)06:31
Tonio_mornfall: well can you test maybe ?06:32
LureRiddell: is it normal to change binary names from upstream (as suggested by mbiebl)06:32
Tonio_mornfall: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org06:32
mornfallTonio_: are you interested in me testing? i can surely give it a try... what version are you on?06:32
Tonio_you have all infos here06:32
Tonio_mornfall: latest :)06:32
=== jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Lureit seems to just introduce additional confusion06:32
Tonio_Lure: gpg key removed from the repo, can you update wiki or do you want me to do it ?06:33
mornfallTonio_: installing06:33
Tonio_mornfall: great ;)06:33
=== Lure out for dinner ;)
RiddellLure: it's not unknown, and ubuntu should follow debian in such matters whatever they decide06:33
Tonio_Lure: yes, that is not of any use, and I must say really problematic for me, cause it makes the autoupdate of the repo very compliated06:34
RiddellLure: suse also renames them06:34
mornfallTonio_: hah, my glib is too old06:34
Tonio_mornfall: argh......06:34
mornfallTonio_: source packs?06:34
=== mornfall tries
Tonio_mornfall: it is on the webpage too :)06:35
hungerTonio_: I stumbled over KDE_NO_IPV6 env-var today. Apparently konqui tries to use ipv6 (which times out) and only afterwards sends a ipv4 DNS request. The mentioned env-var stops the ipv6 request... do you think that is worth considering to add by default?06:35
Tonio_hunger: what problems does it cause actually ?06:36
Tonio_bugs realated to this ?06:36
hungerTonio_: Most visible one is that konqui is slower than FF:-)06:37
Tonio_I agree ipv6 is only a toy actually06:37
Tonio_Riddell: I would agree personnaly, and you ?06:37
hungerTonio_: Dunno of any bug. It works as is, but it adds a overhead to each DNS query.06:37
Tonio_hunger: sounds logic, and I imagine there should be more than 3 kubuntu users in the world using an ipv6 network :)06:38
hungerTonio_: It might be a small one if your dns is configured properly or a big one if it isen't.06:38
Tonio_hunger: what is the file to configure ?06:38
RiddellTonio_: I don't have a problem with setting it06:38
hungerTonio_: Actually I stumbled over this in a review where someone conplained about this (breezy).06:38
Tonio_is it a global env variable ?06:38
Riddellalthough we should document it somewhere google-able06:38
=== Tonio_ wonders how to do that with kubuntu-default-settings
hungerTonio_: I added a oneliner to /etc/X11/Xsession.d06:39
Tonio_hunger: that cannot be configured with k-d-s... and patching xorg for this touches ubuntu too ;)06:39
hungerTonio_: just drop a file "KDE_NO_IPV6=true; export KDE_NO_IPV6" there.06:39
Tonio_hunger: I'll find another way06:39
hungerTonio_: The var will get ignored on gnome... so this approach looked reasonable to me.06:40
Tonio_hunger: there should be a way to set env variables with kde :)06:40
=== nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellpatch startkde06:41
Tonio_hunger: hum.......... yes, but I would prefer to keep the maximum settings in k-d-s, for easier management and visibility06:41
mornfallwell, let's do it... *upgrading to sid*06:41
Tonio_Riddell: that's whatI was thinking about06:41
Tonio_cause I already did a few modifications on it06:41
Tonio_hunger: patching now ;)06:41
RiddellTonio_: but of course a setting in k-d-s is nicer if possible as you say06:41
hungerTonio_: /etc/X11/Xsession.d is a dir... no harm dropping a file into it:-)06:41
hungerTonio_: Should be doable from k-d-s I think.06:42
Tonio_Riddell: I will search a bit ;)06:42
hungerTonio_: Give it a try first. I think konqui got faster here (of course it might just be my imagination, too;-)06:43
Tonio_hunger: whay are you waiting o bench ???? aren't you the geek I was imagining ???? ^^06:43
hungerTonio_: Well, I checked the code... the var is evaluated and does suppress the ipv6 stuff. That was enough for me;-)06:44
hungerTonio_: SuSE seems to be setting this var for ages by the way.06:44
Tonio_hunger: hehe ;) Okay, let me take a coffee and I'll do that toonight, with the networkmanager polishing06:44
Tonio_hunger: sounds good ;)06:45
Tonio_there si one thing I don't manage to do with knetworkmanager06:47
Tonio_how is it possible to set a fixed IP address ?06:47
Tonio_it only provides dhcp possibilities to me, or am I wrong ?06:47
mornfallRiddell: btw, any conclusion wrt app-install-data? anything i have to do?06:47
=== toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellmornfall: mvo said he'd look into it06:48
mornfallokey, so forgetting the issue for now06:48
Tonio_Riddell:  noticed a little issue with the filter bar in konq06:49
RiddellTonio_: hmm?06:49
Tonio_open a new tab and browse folders06:49
Tonio_you don't get the bar, cause it doesn't seem to be forced....06:49
Tonio_I assume that should be patched like the google bar no?06:49
Tonio_I will check the settings06:50
Riddellworks for me06:50
Riddellwould be nice if it had some indication of what it did though06:51
Tonio_Riddell: and when browsing files, then changed to a url, and going back to files ?06:51
Tonio_that fails for me too06:51
Riddellyep, works great here06:52
Tonio_Riddell: hum......... will test on a new profile :)06:52
=== nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Lure is back
LureTonio_: fixed IP is not supported by kNM - many complaints actually06:53
Tonio_Lure: and by nm-applet ?06:53
Lureditto06:54
LureNM limitation06:54
Tonio_okay ;)06:54
Tonio_Lure: well that's not stupid06:54
Tonio_nm is mostly for wifi connections, and they are most generally managed with dhcp06:54
Tonio_anyway, fixed IP's is an obsolete feature06:55
LureTonio_: it is just a bit problematic if you are requested to specify as then you need to go to command line06:55
Tonio_I always fix my ip addresses with dhcp + macaddress06:55
LureKDE network config is lacking06:55
Tonio_knetworkconf works nicelly for this06:55
LureTonio_: same here -06:55
mvoinitial language-selector-qt packages are available at "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/language-selector/ / ". testing is welcome, it uses apt-get to get the packages currently (until adept_batch enters the archive)06:56
LureTonio_: but does it work if you have also NM (temporarly switch to fixed IP)? we may need to test this06:56
hungeris somebody fixing NM to parse /etc/network/interfaces properly?06:56
jjessewhat is adept=batch?06:56
Lurehunger: not that I am aware of - did you add report to wiki page?06:56
mvobzr repo (for language-selector-qt) http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/language-selector/language-selector--qt/06:56
LureNM is handled by _ion and Pygi 06:57
LureTonio_ does the package cleanup06:57
Tonio_Riddell: well that's a problem in the k-d-s config (the filemanagemnt profile for filterdir)06:57
Lurehunger: please add descriptive report to wiki page (that it is not lost)06:57
=== mvo is off for dinner
Tonio_Riddell: could you send me your ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/filemanagement in order to compare ?06:58
hungerLure: I can't log on to the wiki today...06:58
LureRiddell: binary rename - fine with me (I like it), just did not know what is right06:58
hungerLure: Kwallet lost my passwd for it and LP does not like to send my a new password:-(06:58
RiddellTonio_: no such file06:59
Riddellmvo: rocking06:59
hungerLure: Let me search for my wallets in my backups, maybe I can find them somewhere after all:-)06:59
Lurehunger: can you send me details (example content) to e-mail and I will add06:59
Tonio_Riddell: hum.........06:59
LureTonio_: will you look into debian repositories for NM stuff they do (just to be alligned)07:01
Tonio_Lure: hum........depends on what they do hehe07:03
Tonio_there are so many patches canonical did that is it mostly better to go our way on that point07:03
LureTonio_: read mbiebl mail? it is listed there...07:03
Tonio_yep07:03
LureTonio_: the only I am concerned is libnl1, as ABI is changing (soname and stuff)07:04
mvoRiddell: it still lacks some stuff, but it is bascily working. some feedback would be welcome :)07:04
Lureotherwise is just renames of binaries...07:04
Riddellmvo: will look at it in a few minutes07:04
mvoRiddell: no rush, I'm off for dinner for ~30min :)07:05
=== nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellmvo: the basics all work07:21
Riddellmvo: it installs language-pack-cy though, I'd expect language-pack-kde-cy07:21
=== ubijtsa is taking the plunge on a dist-upgrade on the home server
Riddellmvo: uninstall works too07:23
Riddellmvo: well done, looks really nice07:23
mornfallTonio_: powersaved dependencies are fscked in sid, that's all :)07:32
mornfallTonio_: on up-to-date sid it does not segfault anymore07:32
Tonio_hum interesting ;)07:33
mornfalljjesse: a command line tool to install packages ala apt-get -- just a lot simpler commandline syntax for now and it pops up adept download/install screen instead of showing progress in terminal07:41
mvoRiddell: thanks. the detection for gnome/kde langpack is missing07:44
=== faked [n=faked@83-65-235-97.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
LureTonio_: _ion is on #ubuntu-devel - he plans to work on libnl shared library issue08:11
=== nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
superstonedsorry for pestering about this, but i wonder about the performance status of Kubuntu... actually i wonder about 2 things:08:45
superstoned- did -fvisibility=hidden get in?08:45
superstoned- will fontconfig 2.4 get into dapper? if so, can qt 3.3.6 get in, as it'll benefit from the latest fontconfig and make KDE apps startup faster...08:47
superstonedtogheter, these 2 things can easilly get apps startup in less than half the time the used to, and that would be cool, wouldn08:47
superstoned't it?08:48
=== _mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66256.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
sebassuperstoned: And -Bdirect :)08:52
superstonedhmm, i know ubuntu uses it, so i guessed it worked in kubuntu ;-)08:52
superstonedacutally i used ubuntu's -Bdirect patched glibc when running gentoo :D08:52
superstonedanyway, you have any idea about the fontconfig thing? i know the ubuntu ppl *wanted* to get it in, but i don't know if they still plan to do it, or patch the 2.3.x version, or maybe they already did that...08:53
superstonedand IF they did or do it, i'd love to see qt 3.3.6, as that would speed things up :D08:54
superstonedand i guess its not that hard to get qt 3.3.6 in...08:54
=== faked [n=faked@85-124-44-40.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D4265.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== LeeJunFan [n=junfan@64.186.37.84] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Pygi [n=mario@83-131-255-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tm_Tkwwii is gone?09:38
PygiLure: ping09:42
=== Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
PygiLure: ping09:43
LurePygi: hi09:48
PygiHi hi09:48
LurePygi: quite some users with working NM, but not many reports (0 in wiki)09:48
Pygiyou have 1 on ur wiki09:48
Pygiand we have few09:49
PygiTonio_: thanks for editing ^_^09:49
Lurethis were all added by me... ;-)09:49
LureI would like to have positive reports (these we need for inclusion)09:49
LureI am thinking of maybe putting a table (probably as sub-page), where users could reports which combinations were tested and work09:50
Lurelike wifi driver, driver version, NM version...09:51
Pygiah, worry do not09:51
Pygiif everything is quiet, then you know it works ...09:51
Pygione loud shouting is made, then it's bad ;)09:51
LurePygi: the fact is also that most of the users have some kind of issue first, then it starts working...09:51
PygiLure: bigest problem is that one with background scanning09:52
LureI had to help several people on IRC/forums today09:52
LurePygi: yes and cards that just do not work (for example Riddell's airo)09:53
PygiLure: yup, but we can't influence on non workin' cards09:54
LurePygi: we should at least document that they do not work - no to get angry reports...09:54
Lures/no/not/09:54
PygiLure: kk09:54
Lurethis is why I though a table would make sense09:55
Lurehunger: you have madwifi, right?09:55
PygiTonio_: you there?09:58
=== kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mornfallTm_T: what option?10:28
Tm_T?10:29
Tm_Tmornfall: what?10:30
mornfallTm_T:          Tm_T | #kubuntu     % tomplast: anyway, I hope adept has it one day, as an option10:31
Tm_Taah10:31
Tm_Twe talked about when removing app, also removing its now orphaned dependencies10:32
Tm_Tasking of it10:32
mornfallTm_T: ask again in a year :)10:32
Tm_Tasking orphans before removing, asking orphans after removing, diff is what we ask from user10:33
Tm_Tmornfall: yeah, I don't need it but many users would like to have it10:33
mornfallTm_T: i know10:33
Tm_T:)10:33
mornfallTm_T: if someone can pay me fulltime to work on adept related things, you will have it in few months10:34
Tm_Tmornfall: if I promise to send some bread, will you do?10:34
mornfallheh10:34
Tm_Thomebaked10:34
mornfalloh :)10:34
mornfallthat's a different matter10:34
Tm_T(yeah, not enough money to buy bread :p)10:35
mornfallnow, i did not think that way10:35
Tm_Tactually I haven't have any money since... january?10:35
mornfallTm_T: :|10:35
mornfallblows10:35
Tm_Tbut hey, who needs any money when you have homebaked bread :)10:35
mornfallas for bread, even uni pays me enough to buy bread (not to pay rent, but that's a different matter)10:36
=== assassin [n=anders@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mornfallgood night ladies and gentlemen10:41
kmonHi, I have a weird error with kdm and usplash. When I switch to kdm from a existing session and go back to the current session, kdm launches usplash a few seconds. I have to use ctrl+alt+f7 to return to the using session.10:43
kmonI have just discovered it10:43
=== Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034225113.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kmonI'm going to file a bug10:49
=== _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation]
ubijtsahohum... breezy -> dapper was less painful than I anticipated11:05
hungerubijtsa: There is no pain in ubuntu... only chances to learn.11:06
ubijtsahunger: depends on the situation11:06
ubijtsastill, dapper ate my initrd's so I had to boot of CD to fix them :-/11:07
ubijtsabut, I have a exotic setup. my rootfs is on /dev/md011:07
hungerubijtsa: So is mine... worked out of the box.11:08
hungerubijtsa: But then I installed dapper and didn't upgrade, so this does not compare.11:09
ubijtsahunger: not here. something did not work in the update.. but I did a dist-upgrade off the net, not off a CD11:09
ubijtsastill, much easier dist-upgrade than the one I did from hoary to breezy11:10
hungerubijtsa: Write some bugreports and hope for someone to fix it.11:10
ubijtsahunger: oh, I will :)11:10
ubijtsain the morning though, I am off to bed now11:10
hungerubijtsa: Same here. Good night.11:11
ubijtsann11:11
=== Pygi pings Tonio_
PygiTonio_:  please ping me once you get back11:17
=== Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== toma is now known as toma_

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!