[12:05] <Pygi> Lura, you can't do that ;)
[12:05] <Pygi> not yet at least
[12:06] <Lure> Pygi: ;-) I have to - kids will jump on me at 6:30 and then day-job is waiting for me
[12:06] <Lure> ;-)
[12:06] <Pygi> Lure: bah
[12:06] <Pygi> kk
[12:06] <Pygi> night
[12:07] <raphink> hehe
[01:02] <Pygi> Tonio_:ping
[01:02] <Tonio_> Pygi: 
[01:02] <Tonio_> ping ?
[01:18] <sebas> Pygi: It crashes here if I change the network via the systray popup.
[01:18] <sebas> I'm now doing a dist-upgrade to check.
[01:18] <Pygi> sebas: please post the bug, with traces, info on how to reproduce, etc. to the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[01:18] <Pygi> kk, great
[01:18] <sebas> ubuntu or kubuntu-devel?
[01:19] <Pygi> ubuntu-devel
[01:19] <sebas> Ok.
[01:20] <Pygi> you can direct to kubuntu-devel as well, once my annoucement reaches there
[01:22] <sebas> It's there already.
[01:22] <sebas> You're Mario, right?
[01:22] <Pygi> ah,kk
[01:22] <Pygi> yup
[01:22] <sebas> Ok.
[01:22] <Pygi> now I doubled my post ... joy :-/
[01:23] <sebas> Hehe.
[01:23] <Pygi> it's not funny
[01:23] <Pygi> ;)
[01:23] <Pygi> then you can just respond to that thread with issues, bugs, etc
[01:24] <Pygi> and while ur at it, please say to ignore the other post  ^_^
[01:24] <Pygi> thanks
[01:32] <raphink> hmmm
[01:33] <Pygi> raphink: yes?
[01:33] <raphink> hmm just wondering
[01:33] <raphink> what is your contribution in network-manager actually?
[01:34] <Pygi> raphink: testing, fixing, finding people to test, writing wiki's, reporting issues, and a lot of nice things ^_^
[01:34] <raphink> nice
[01:35] <Pygi> raphink: it will be nice if it really works for most people, and we can get it into dapper ^_^
[01:38] <sebas> I'm somewhat missing the option to store network configurations.
[01:39] <sebas> If I have to type the wep keys of different networks manually everytime, that renders it useless for me.
[01:39] <sebas> Does n-m support something like that?
[01:39] <Tonio_> sebas: it does
[01:39] <sebas> Ah, how?
[01:39] <Tonio_> sebas: knetworkmanager of nm-applet ?
[01:40] <sebas> knetworkmanager was the thing I've started.
[01:40] <Tonio_> ./.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[01:40] <Tonio_> remove this maybe ;)
[01:41] <Tonio_> dunno where the passwords are stored in fact
[01:41] <Tonio_> it just works here
[01:42] <sebas> I don't have that file.
[01:43] <Tonio_> sebas: did you simply restart kde since the installation ?
[01:43] <sebas> Yes.
[01:43] <sebas> Now it doesn't even find my network adapter
[01:49] <raphink> Pygi: just so you know, there's no need to build it for ppc (or for any arch) before putting it in the official repos ;)
[01:49] <Pygi> raphink: yes, yes, yes ;)
[02:07] <Pygi> wb Tonio_
[02:42] <raphink> powerpc packages for networkmanager/wlassistant/wpasupplicant/knetworkmanager/powersave/kpowersave are built and available :)
[06:07] <ubijtsa> mornfall: thank you :)
[10:05] <hunger> Anyone using the new network-manager stuff?
[10:06] <Tm_T> I'm using Gnome, is it bad enough?
[10:06] <hunger> does not work at all here... the nm-applet for gnome does not even start.
[10:07] <hunger> kNM does start but sits there sulking about my box not having any connection whatsoever.
[10:08] <hunger> And WPA (which worked before) is broken now, too:-(
[10:09] <Tm_T> I feel sick...
[10:09] <hunger> Tm_T: I actually was trying to switch to gnome for a while, too.
[10:09] <Tm_T> I'm just testing
[10:10] <Tm_T> not switching, you evil!
[10:10] <hunger> But since I couldn't get that to accept my keycombos I stopped doing that.
[10:14] <Lure> hunger: yes, I do
[10:15] <hunger> Lure: Does it do anything for you?
[10:15] <Lure> yes, it works as it should
[10:15] <Lure> hunger: what kind ofwifi driver are you using
[10:15] <hunger> Lure: Sits here claiming "no networks" and that's it.
[10:15] <hunger> Lure: madwifi.
[10:15] <Lure> did you install/update also l-r-m drivers?
[10:15] <hunger> Lure: I upgraded the l-r-m, so that should be OK (I think).
[10:16] <hunger> Lure: And it does not recognize my wired net either.
[10:16] <Lure> did you try commenting out interfaces in /e/n/interfaces
[10:17] <hunger> Lure: Yeap... those are empty.
[10:17] <Lure> it only works if you have dhcp or not listed there 
[10:17] <hunger> Lure: I have both eth0 and ath0 on dhcp (and tried disableing both as well).
[10:17] <Lure> what does iwlist scan tell you?
[10:17] <Lure> does it find any network?
[10:18] <hunger> Lure: It gives a list of networks... looks sane.
[10:18] <Lure> you should do the following: kill NetworkManager and quit knetworkmanager
[10:18] <hunger> Lure: It does list mine with correct params and a couple of those of my neighbors.
[10:18] <Lure> then "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" from one terminal and knetworkmanager from other
[10:18] <hunger> Lure: I did... even rebooted (more to see the new usplash screen). No change.
[10:18] <Lure> this will give you progress messages
[10:19] <hunger> Lure: OK, will try that.
[10:19] <Lure> Riddell had also problems (he is using airo) 
[10:19] <Lure> I would just like to see if it is the same...
[10:20] <hunger> Lure: NetworkManager gives a line "starting..." and then sits there.
[10:20] <hunger> Lure: Starting kNM adds a new line "Updating allowed wireless network lists."
[10:21] <hunger> Lure: That's it.
[10:21] <hunger> kNM says "no network devices found".
[10:22] <Lure> this is strange...
[10:22] <Lure> is NetworkManagerDispatcher running?
[10:22] <Lure> (I am on Breezy currently and cannot check)
[10:23] <Lure> you may want to ping _ion or Pygi (in #ubuntu-devel) and discuss in private message
[10:23] <hunger> Lure: Not anymore...
[10:23] <Lure> they are maintaining NM core packages
[10:24] <hunger> Lure: Let me see what happens if I start it.
[10:24] <Lure> hunger: NM and NMDispatcher are supposed to be started by dbus (AFAIK), maybe killing NM caused it (but I do not have such experience)
[10:26] <hunger> Lure: Got both runnig at the same time now: Same messages.
[10:26] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: do you know if the updated adept packages have been posted yet? /me no seeing them
[10:27] <Lure> hunger: AFAIR, NM should print much more on startup with --no-daemon
[10:28] <Lure> I am sorry, but I will have to run now and will be offline for couple of hours.
[10:28] <hunger> Lure: Hey... suddenly it does!
[10:28] <Lure> it does what?
[10:30] <hunger> Lure: gave lots of text...
[10:31] <hunger> Lure: eth0 seems to work now... No idea what I just changed...
[10:31] <Lure> madwifi driver does not support bacground scan, maybe this is why it took so long?
[10:31] <Lure> BTW, this scan issue may also cause disconnects...
[10:32] <Lure> any error in messages?
[10:32] <hunger> Lure: No, I commented out the eth0/ath0 lines in /etc/network/interfaces again.
[10:32] <hunger> Lure: This time this caused eth0 to be recognized...
[10:32] <Lure> does it mention ath0 at all in messages?
[10:33] <Lure> (maybe is not aware of it?)
[10:33] <hunger> Lure: Yes, it does now.
[10:33] <Lure> OK, but still no networks?
[10:33] <hunger> Lure: It can not connect with it, but it detects my AP now.
[10:34] <Lure> OK, you are using WPA?
[10:34] <Lure> is wpasupplicant running (it should not!)
[10:34] <hunger> Lure: Damn... restarted dbus to get back to the "default" NM and now the wlan is gone again.
[10:34] <hunger> At least he keapt eth0 this time.
[10:35] <Lure> this is a bit strange, maybe somthing is taking over your ath0
[10:35] <Lure> is wpasupplicant or dhclient running on ath0?
[10:35] <Lure> You should disable wpasupplicant (ENABLED=0 in /e/d/wpasupplicant)
[10:36] <Lure> NM takes over control and calls wpasupplicant as required
[10:37] <hunger> Lure: I did that.
[10:37] <hunger> Lure: WPA did work (via ifup/down) before just fine.
[10:38] <hunger> Ah... ath0 is "temporarily unavailable" whatever that is supposed to mean.
[10:40] <Lure> hunger: I think some process is taking your ath0
[10:40] <Lure> is wpasupplicant or dhclient running for ath0?
[10:40] <hunger> Lure: I turned wireless of via the kNM applet... I think that was a bad idea.
[10:41] <Lure> WPA works completely different with NM (over dbus) as before (config file with ifup/ifdpown)
[10:41] <Lure> Turn it on again (I did not test this)
[10:41] <hunger> Lure: I did. It won't come back.
[10:41] <Lure> do "ps -ef | grep wpasupp"
[10:42] <Lure> check /etc/default/wpasupplicant that "ENABLED=0"
[10:42] <hunger> Ah! there it is again!
[10:42] <hunger> rmmod ath_pci && modprobe ath_pci sometimes do wonders;-)
[10:43] <Lure> hunger: I have to run now, I will be back in couple of hours
[10:43] <hunger> Lure: Thanks for your help so far!
[10:43] <Lure> no problem 
[10:43] <Lure> we need testers like you!
[10:44] <Lure> If you find something, you may want to put it into wiki page (comments)
[10:44] <Lure> bye
[10:45] <hunger> see you around.
[10:46] <hunger> My kwallets vanished again! might that be due to kNM?
[11:51] <hunger> Riddell: How about setting KDE_NO_IPV6 by default?
[11:51] <hunger> Riddell: Speeds up konqui for webbrowsing a lot here.
[12:05] <mornfall> ubijtsa2: no
[12:05] <mornfall> ubijtsa2: they will be uploaded sometime this work-week i hope :)
[12:26] <ubijtsa> mornfall: ok, no sweat :)
[12:30] <mornfall> ubijtsa: if you want to try, get ept source package, in libept/packagedetails.cpp add KMimeType::defaultMimeTypePtr(); before m_thread = asyncCall... line (somewhere around line 132)
[12:30] <mornfall> ubijtsa: debuild, install and try out :)
[12:30] <ubijtsa> mornfall: I think I'll wait ;)
[12:30] <mornfall> bah
[12:31] <ubijtsa> hehe
[12:31] <ubijtsa> I have other thing on my mind at the moment.. like preparing for a presentation about performance testing.. :-/
[12:33] <kmon> Hi, I'm trying the new knetworkmanager, but I seem to be to dumb to get it to work with my ipw2200. Can someone help me?
[12:34] <hunger> kmon: Sorry, I am too dumb, too.
[12:35] <hunger> kmon: And the user-channel should be a better place to ask such questions (even though I did ask here, too;-)
[12:35] <kmon> hunger: ok.
[12:37] <kmon> hunger: can you help me then?
[12:40] <Riddell> kmon: try moving /etc/network/interfaces out the way, that affects it
[12:40] <Riddell> need to restart NetworkManager after
[12:41] <Riddell> hunger: I don't notice any difference
[12:41] <hunger> Riddell: With KDE_NO_IPV6?
[12:41] <Riddell> yeah
[12:41] <kmon> Riddell: ok, i'll try it now.
[12:41] <hunger> Riddell: Maybe you got a proper ipv6 DNS then.
[12:41] <hunger> Riddell: Halves konqui load times to half for me.
[12:41] <Riddell> no, I don't
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Lure: hey.  repo worked - knetworkmanager is acting weirdly though
[12:44] <hunger> Riddell: Hmmm.... did you set it before konqui is started (i.e. in /etc/X11/Xsession.d?
[12:49] <Riddell> hunger: I set it on command line, started konqi from that command line and raced the konqi and my old konqi instance to load various websites
[12:49] <Riddell> but I have no ipv6 in my resolv.conf or routing table
[12:49] <Riddell> do you?
[12:55] <Lure> Hobbsee: which wifi driver?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: ndiswrapper.  card is netgear wg511 v2
[12:56] <Lure> interesting - I though that ndiswrapper is no-go with NM...
[12:56] <Lure> what problems do you have? disconnects?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> lemme reply in a bit...
[12:58] <Hobbsee> nyah to that idiot.
[12:58] <Hobbsee> right, now.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Lure: it shows as d/c'd, says no network device found, but gives me the option to disable wireless, or to work in offline mode
[01:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: you can try killing NetworkManager and start it with sudo and --no-daemon to get messages reported
[01:01] <Lure> also if you start knetworkmanager manually in termnial, you get messages
[01:01] <Lure> then it might tell you more (if your card is at all considered...)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> ERROR: Communication problem with knetworkmanager, it probably crashed.
[01:01] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ knetworkmanager: [static DBusHandlerResult DBusConnection::networkManagerInfoMessageHandler(DBusConnection*, DBusMessage*, void*)]  getNetworks
[01:01] <Hobbsee> but it's there, same stuff as before
[01:01] <Lure> BTW, did you check your /e/n/interfaces that your wifi is either dhcp or commented out?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's dhcp, but it has wap encryption
[01:02] <Lure> Hobbsee: you should not have anything in /e/n/interfaces about wifi (only dhcp line is allowed)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> not even auto wlan0?
[01:02] <Lure> all WEP/WPA is specfied in kNM and stored in wallet
[01:03] <Lure> not needed, but can stay
[01:03] <Hobbsee> and it's got the WPA supplicant set to start
[01:04] <Lure> wpasupplicant has to have ENABLED=0 in /e/d/wpasupplicant - it will be now managed by NM
[01:04] <Lure> through dbus
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:09] <kmon> Does anyone here know how do I scan for available networks with knetwork manager in dapper?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> it's iwlist wlan0 scan, via command line
[01:10] <Lure> kmon: they should just get listed by default (in main menu, under wired)
[01:10] <Lure> kmon: which wifi driver do you have?
[01:10] <kmon> ipw2200
[01:11] <Lure> ipw2200 should work - can you check which driver version?
[01:11] <Lure> dmesg | grep ipw2200
[01:11] <Lure> I am using 1.1.0 and is working great (new kernel, hopefully today will have ipw2200 1.1.1)
[01:12] <kmon> 1.0.10
[01:12] <kmon> it's the one provided by dapper
[01:15] <kmon> I can't find where I can set the channel in a wifi connection
[01:18] <Lure> kmon: why would you need to set the channel - NM kind of work only with default settings (fixed ones are not supporte (yet?))
[01:19] <Lure> I am not sure, maybe 1.0.10 is too old.
[01:19] <Lure> but you should first check /e/n/interfaces and comment out all manual settigns for you wifi (only allowed lines are auto and dhcp
[01:20] <kmon> Lure: I've removed everything in /etc/network/interfaces except or lo
[01:21] <kmon> Lure: I want to set the channel because I have manually changed the channel in my router config long ago
[01:21] <kmon> Lure: and i'm using ipw2200 driver privided by default dapper kernel
[01:21] <Lure> kmon: but if router is on fixed channel, then client should connect on that one, shouldn;'t it?
[01:22] <kmon> Lure: I don't know.... I also have essid hidden
[01:22] <kmon> maybe thats the problem?
[01:22] <Lure> can you kill NetworkManager and start it with "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" in console to see messages?
[01:22] <Lure> hidden essid can be specified (not tried it though)
[01:23] <Lure> there should be "Connect other Wireless network..." or similar in kNM menu
[01:23] <Lure> I suppose you would need to enter it once and then would be stored in KDE wallet (at least WEP/WPA keys are there)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hmm...this is weird
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10549
[01:25] <kmon> Lure: yes, I can see the connect to another network
[01:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: do you have NM running in other terminal (--no-daemon)?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> not that i know of
[01:26] <Hobbsee> trying to kill it - no process killed
[01:33] <Lathiat> can someone please tell me, where im supposed to be able to find the history in konqueror
[01:33] <Riddell> F9, history tab
[01:33] <Riddell> hi mvo 
[01:34] <Lathiat> history tab?
[01:34] <Riddell> the one with the clock
[01:34] <Lathiat> oh, i see
[01:34] <Lathiat> so like, .. why do i need a keyboard shortcut to find the history :\
[01:35] <Lathiat> seems to me it should at least be in a menu
[01:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: did you reboot (I get out of ideas... ;-))
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Lure: i didnt
[01:37] <Lure> hunger reported that even reloading wifi driver helped (a bit ;-), maybe similar with security
[01:37] <Hobbsee> it didnt work, from when i rebooted earlier
[01:40] <mvo> hello Riddell
[01:41] <ubijtsa2> *grrr*
[01:51] <kmon> Lure: Hi again, I've changed the channel via cli and now knetworkmanager shows all available networks, but it still doesn't connect to my home wlan
[01:51] <kmon> I went to winxp and managed to connect so the password seems to be OK
[01:52] <Lure> kmon: remind me - which security do you use?
[01:52] <kmon> WPA
[01:54] <Lure> do you have ENABLED=0 in /etc/default/wpasupplicant?
[01:54] <Lure> is wpasupplicant running (it should not)
[01:55] <kmon> Lure: I have ENABLED=0 
[01:55] <kmon> wpasupplicant doesn't seem to be running, it's not in ps -A
[01:56] <Lure> OK, then kill NetworkManager, start from terminal with "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" and look for messages that are reported then you try to connect
[01:56] <Lure> BTW, does kNM ask you for WPA password? if not, you may also want to start kNM from terminal and look for its messages
[01:57] <hunger> Lure: Did you get my last couple of messages?
[01:57] <hunger> Lure: kNM works now for me... I needed to "Connect to other network" once.
[01:57] <hunger> Lure: Now it works, even when I click on the network.
[01:57] <Lure> hunger: great! 
[01:58] <hunger> Lure: So how do I start/stop the interfaces on the commandline?
[01:58] <Lure> 1 down, 3 to go (current number of people to help ;-))
[01:58] <Lure> hunger: what do you mean with stop? disconnect?
[01:59] <hunger> Lure: I use ifup/ifdown a lot... how does that work with NM now?
[02:00] <Lure> you can always use ifconfig directly (ifconfig <interface> up/down) - I am just concerned that NM may reconnect
[02:00] <hunger> Lure: I.e. my backup script tries to bring up eth0 with ifup before starting...
[02:00] <Lure> hunger: maybe there is other way (maybe dbus call to NM?), but I do not know. sorry.
[02:00] <hunger> Lure: Yes, ifconfig works... but ifup/ifdown (which is way more comftable) does not work anymore since I needed to remove the definitions for ath0/eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces.
[02:01] <Lure> hunger: you can leave /e/n/interfaces in, if it is only auto and dhcp line
[02:02] <Lure> NM only cares if you have any manual config (static IP, essid, channel) - such interfaces are skipped by NM
[02:02] <Lure> wiki page is a bit misleading... maybe this will allow you to use both: ifup/ifdown + NM...
[02:02] <Lure> I am on Breezy now, so I cannot test (and no WIFI here to test)
[02:03] <hunger> Hmm~.~.
[02:04] <hunger> Lure: Nope... NM freezes when you have some dhcp configured:-(
[02:05] <Lure> interesting...
[02:06] <Lure> it works for me (just checked by Dapper config file...)
[02:06] <Lure> I have "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" lines and it works
[02:06] <Lure> hunger: is this the same you tested with?
[02:07] <hunger> Lure: I have no auto line, just the iface eth0 inet dhcp.
[02:07] <Lure> add auto line and check - I think you need it
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Lure: well, we're making progress.  it does start, now, and finds the network, just doesnt accept the wpa key - gets stuck on activation
[02:08] <Lure> ENABLED=0?
[02:08] <hunger> Lure: I do not want a auto line... and even if NM does not like iface without auto it should not start getting dbus-errors!
[02:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: kNM asks you for key?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> yes, then doesnt seem to accept it
[02:09] <Lure> hunger: I agree... :-(
[02:09] <Lure> this is why we are testing...
[02:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: does it ask for right version of WPA (1 or 2) and encryption (TKIP/AES)?
[02:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: any running wpasupplicant process?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> didnt see it ask for which version of wpa, but it did ask about encytion, which i left as auto
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: no
[02:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: I had similar issue yesterday (too many hacking on my system)... it helped to removed kNM config file (~/.kde/share/config/... somewhere) and restart kNM
[02:12] <Lure> you should also run it from terminal to see messages
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Lure: right
[02:13] <hunger> Lure: The parser for /etc/network/interfaces is bogus!
[02:14] <Lure> hunger: can you log this on wiki page?
[02:15] <hunger> Lure: The parser for /etc/network/interfaces is bogus!
[02:15] <hunger> Lure: It accepts the interface lines if "inet dhcp" is on a different line from "iface eth0"!
[02:15] <hunger> Lure: ... which unfortunately is not valid in ifup/down.
[02:16] <Lure> hunger: please put your findings on wiki page (comments) and somebody will look into it
[02:17] <Lure> Riddell: sorry for turning your channel into NM support ;-)
[02:18] <Riddell> :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> guess most of the devel people will be usign this anyway
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: i cant find thatconfig file
[02:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: just a minute...
[02:20] <Lure> .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[02:20] <Lure> maybe is written on first successful connect, which you have not experienced yet...
[02:20] <Lure> ;-)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> ah...
[02:21] <Hobbsee> which explains why i cant find it
[02:21] <Lure> or on quit?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ping
[02:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: ping what? ;-)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> ping aka am i here?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> i had a wireless connection!
[02:24] <Lure> great!
[02:25] <Lure> why past tense? ;-)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: cos i switched back to wired, to try wireless again... :(
[02:26] <Lure> why :( - it does not work anymore?
[02:26] <Riddell> nice thing about knetworkmanager is that all it's problems seem to be in network-manager and not in the kde side
[02:26] <Riddell> mvo: how can we improve the icons in app-install-data?
[02:26] <hunger> So now that WLAN works in KDE, when will suspend get tackled;-)
[02:27] <Lure> Riddell: kNM (and nm-applet) are just small front-ends - not much code
[02:27] <Lure> hunger: you mean powersave? 
[02:27] <hunger> Lure: It would be great if the applet would only ask for the kwallet password if it actually needs access to the passphrases.
[02:28] <Lure> Riddell: but we will still have hard time with inclusion if we do not nail them down... ;-)
[02:28] <hunger> Lure: But that is the only nit I found to pick on kNM:-)
[02:28] <Lure> hunger: we do not have latest sources (waiting for SuSE to publish) - maybe it is already addressed
[02:29] <Lure> hunger: you may put comment to kNM author on http://blog.nouse.net/
[02:29] <Hobbsee_> nyah!
[02:29] <Hobbsee_> hey Lure - it works!
[02:29] <Hobbsee_> just dont touch it after it does!
[02:30] <Lure> Hobbsee, hunger: will you put your experience to wiki page (under Issues/Comments)?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Lure: okay, but i might do more testing first, see what happens after a reboot
[02:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: for sure...
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: will knetworkmanager eventually not depend on networkmanager?
[02:30] <hunger> Lure: Nope... I am too stupid to login to the wiki today.
[02:31] <Lure> hunger: lol
[02:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how could it not?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont know...i just dont like having to have a whole lot of gnome stuff on my kde machine :P
[02:32] <mvo> Riddell: sure, what improvments do you need?
[02:33] <Riddell> mvo: we have a lot of icons missing, I think it assumes gnome-icon-theme is installed?
[02:35] <mvo> Riddell: missing in what sense? from the gui? or from the icon directory?
[02:37] <Riddell> hmm, actually lots of kde ones are missing too (from the GUI)
[02:39] <Lure> Hobbsee: networkmanager was split to NM (no GNOME) + nm-applet (GNOME stuff like keyring...)
[02:39] <Lure> I did not check, but there should not be (m)any GNOME dependencies...
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah ok, cool :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> but that wont be permanent
[02:43] <Tm_T> I tested Gnome and WindowMaker
[02:43] <Tm_T> Gnome is pure hell
[02:43] <Tm_T> golden cage
[02:44] <Tm_T> WMaker is ok, but hwne I wanted to logout...
[02:44] <Hobbsee> +1 Tm_T 
[02:44] <Tm_T> atleast ctrl+alt+backspace worked
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:44] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[02:45] <Tm_T> stupid people with their stupid designs... now out ->
[02:48] <Riddell> mvo: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/adept-installer.png
[02:48] <Riddell> mvo: how do icons get into app-install-data?
[02:50] <seaLne> mornfall: thats the disadvantage of being +0100 :)
[02:51] <seaLne> i have another hour :)
[02:51] <mornfall> seaLne: i will be +0200 in a bit
[02:51] <mornfall> sun is up and running by 7am already
[02:51] <seaLne> i think tis weeked is wehn BST starts (+0100)
[02:52] <mvo> mornfall: hello! thanks a lot of adding adept_batch. the current install/remove stuff should be fine for the needs of the language-selector
[02:52] <seaLne> what does the unsupported checkbox do? is that universe/multiverse?
[02:52] <mvo> Riddell: they are extracted from a small python script that scans the archives
[02:55] <Riddell> mvo: so how come none of those programmes have an icon that's included
[02:55] <Riddell> presumably the script doesn't know how to find kde icons?
[02:56] <Riddell> mornfall: my custom KDM (used for usplash_down stuff) doesn't have the DPI setting script.  my eyes are starting to hurt a bit
[03:01] <mvo> Riddell: possible, I will have a look when I'm finished with my language-selector work (later this afternoon)
[03:04] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/emacs.png :)
[03:04] <kmon> Hi. I want to help testing KPowersave.
[03:04] <kmon> Where can I find packages for kubuntu?
[03:04] <kmon> I'm using dapper
[03:05] <Hobbsee> kmon: ah, universe, i think
[03:06] <kmon> Hobbsee: found here the announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-March/000910.html
[03:07] <Hobbsee> or is that in tonio_'s repo now?  a later version?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> i dont remember
[03:08] <mvo> hm, I see no difference between uncheck and tristate in my QListView with QCheckListItem. is that a theme issue?
[03:08] <mvo> oh, solved
[03:08] <mvo> sorry for the noise
[03:09] <Riddell> Qt/KDE related noise is what this channel is all about
[03:11] <mvo> Riddell: heh :) pyqt is rather nice I must say
[03:13] <kmon> Is there a gdebi interface planned for kubuntu?
[03:13] <Riddell> kmon: well, lets see how mvo gets on with his other qt ports :)
[03:14] <kmon> Riddell: ok. :)
[03:14] <Riddell> kmon: I believe it's not too difficult, just needs someone to do it
[03:15] <kmon> Riddell: And about kpowersave... do you think it might get into dapper?
[03:16] <mvo> kmon: gdebi should be fairely straihtforward, especially since we have adept_batch now
[03:16] <kmon> mvo: thanks
[03:17] <Riddell> mvo: adept_batch is still in SVN, should be uploaded this week
[03:17] <Riddell> kmon: I have no idea alas, power stuff scares me and espresso is my priority
[03:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: why suprised?
[03:22] <Lure> on i386 should work
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: because klaptop worked for a bit, then crashed eveyr single time
[03:23] <Lure> Hobbsee: I know, and there is noboday to look in that obsolete code (I rather spend my preciosous time on powersave if I need than ready that)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[03:24] <Lure> problem is that I got overexcited on kNM and now I want to stabalize that one first ;-)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is true that hibernate at least still works with klaptop, while easy wireless connection when mobile is hard without kNM
[03:30] <Hobbsee> true
[03:30] <Hobbsee> however, i'm going to go to bed...night all
[03:38] <cmvo> Hi! I don't know if this is a known issue, but here in flight5 the icons in kubuntu ksplash are drawn too far apart and overlap the frame.
[03:52] <jjesse> cmvo: i just noticed that today as well when i rebooted
[03:53] <cmvo> jjesse: So I'm not alone. Should I file a bug?
[04:02] <Riddell> cmvo: it's fixed
[04:02] <Riddell> or it should be anyway, please update ksplash-engine-moodin and test
[04:09] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! I'm about to update packages and shall try again.
[04:11] <cmvo> Riddell: I had hoped for a kubuntu version of the fullscreen moodin. I think it'd look good. But I guess the ksplash should be a continuation of the kdm theme.
[04:16] <Riddell> fullscreen moodin?
[04:18] <cmvo> Riddell: MoodinKDE, I think it is part of kplash-moodin-engine.
[04:50] <mornfall> Riddell: btw, update
[04:50] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm?
[04:51] <mornfall> Riddell: many of the problems with adept freezing *may* be related to missing application/octet-stream
[04:51] <Riddell> mimetype?
[04:52] <mornfall> Riddell: for some reason, when running from notifier, kdesu somehow interacts with ksycoca or something like that, hiding the mimetype from app
[04:52] <Riddell> that's quite evil
[04:53] <mornfall> Riddell: yes, and since libkio has a not-completely-nice habit of popping up dialog when it first finds out that the mimetype is not there, it often happens in a non-gui thread for adept
[04:53] <mornfall> Riddell: which leads to a deadlock
[04:54] <mornfall> Riddell: 1.91 will have a fix for this, but it will exhibit the problem in a different way -- popping up an error dialog about not finding application/octet-stream on startup
[04:55] <mornfall> Riddell: if the underlying problem cannot be fixed, i can make the dialog only pop up when user hits "details" for the first time in adept, since that's the only place i can think of where the mimetype snafu happens out of gui thread
[04:55] <mornfall> however there is no way to disallow the popup completely
[04:55] <mornfall> at least i have not found one
[04:55] <Riddell> ok, we'll see how many people get hit by the problem with 1.91 then
[04:56] <Riddell> maybe kdelibs could be patched in the worst case
[04:56] <mornfall> Riddell: i suspect many :|
[04:56] <mornfall> uh, that's ultra-evil
[04:56] <mornfall> expect konqueror failing to report the problem and doing very strange things without warning to user
[04:57] <Riddell> yes
[05:00] <superstoned> hey, about the performance stuff from lubos lunak i talked about a few days ago: i mailed him. some of the stuff is included in Qt 3.3.6, apps should start faster with it. these will make the biggest diff. he wil also commit the other ones, later on, to kde 3.5.3 or something like that. they will go in unchanged, as he thinks they're safe. to enjoy the serious benefits, fontconfig must be some 2.3.9x version. that's a bummer 
[05:00] <superstoned> the gnomes want this version to get into dapper, too.
[05:01] <mornfall> Riddell: this bug alone is likely responsible for nontrivial portion of the hanging/freezing bugs reported since 1.88.x
[05:01] <mornfall> both startup-time and clicking-details time
[05:02] <superstoned> so, to get KDE quite a bit faster, we need fontconfig > 2.3.9x and Qt 3.3.6. those will give the biggest speedup. the gnomes want the fontconfig version, as it'll make gnome faster, too. so it might very well end up in ubuntu.
[06:12] <Riddell> _Sime_: if I load up displayconfig in systemsettings from guidance 0.6.3 then leave it and load another guidance module it crashes
[06:12] <Riddell> not displayconfig, system services
[06:12] <Riddell> I think it's still building the services cache
[06:15] <Tm_T> aaah
[06:18] <mornfall> apokryphos: heya
[06:18] <apokryphos> hi there
[06:19] <apokryphos> mornfall: how you doing?
[06:20] <mornfall> apokryphos: could be worse :] 
[06:21] <apokryphos> mornfall: how's developemtn+stuff going?
[06:22] <mornfall> apokryphos: fairly well -- fixing bugs
[06:23] <apokryphos> mornfall: I might try it out a little more extensively when I re-get on 'buntu and then check dear bug reports. Quite excited about using it :)
[06:24] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[06:25] <Tonio_> hello :)
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[06:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive my mail about knetworkmanager ?
[06:25] <apokryphos> mornfall: do you still use ekhis.org for adept news?  Doesn't load here
[06:25] <Tonio_> it ignores already configured cards in /etc/network/interfaces :)
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't tht your problem maybe ? sounds strange it doesn't work only for you
[06:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did, and it lets me add wifi connections now but it still doesn't see my access point nor does it get dhcp
[06:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's to avoid conflicts in fact. networkmanager only manage interfaces without hardcoded parameters
[06:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum.........
[06:26] <Lure> Riddell: do you have hidden essid?
[06:27] <Tonio_> sounds like a bug with your driver or something.... I played hours with it and to me everything is about perfect
[06:27] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe airo requires similar patch as madwifi did 
[06:27] <Tonio_> Lure: we can investigate
[06:27] <Lure> I have already found on note on NM-devel about patch
[06:27] <Tonio_> Lure: I must say it is of course not perfect, but the global feedback is good :)
[06:28] <Lure> Tonio_: it works for Hobbsee and hunger 
[06:28] <mornfall> apokryphos: quite possible, the domain expires about now
[06:28] <Tonio_> yep, it globally works nicelly
[06:28] <Lure> but they all had some problems out-of-the-box, so polish is needed on NM packages
[06:29] <Tonio_> Lure: I need to polish the networkmanager package......... they modified the tarball, so I need to repackage it cleanly to be acceptable for main
[06:29] <Lure> Tonio_: seen discussions on forums - mostly positive
[06:29] <Tonio_> Lure: yep ;)
[06:29] <Tonio_> Lure: fedora and opensuse now use networkmanager by default
[06:29] <Lure> Tonio_: have you seen post from mbiebl on ubuntu-devel?
[06:29] <mornfall> lame, powersaved segfaults on startup here
[06:29] <Riddell> Lure: no
[06:29] <Tonio_> so I assume the software is now mature enough to be embedded in a distro
[06:29] <Lure> mornfall: ppc?
[06:29] <Lure> Riddell: just a minute...
[06:30] <mornfall> Lure: centrino
[06:30] <Lure> mornfall: strange - using Tonio_ repository?
[06:30] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm removing that crappy kgpg key on the repo
[06:30] <mornfall> Lure: 0.11.x works, 0.12 does not -- sid
[06:30] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016646.html
[06:31] <Tonio_> mornfall: I have ubuntu packages for that if you wanna test ;)
[06:31] <Tonio_> mornfall: interested ?
[06:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: i don't even have ubuntu... do they install on etch? :)
[06:31] <Lure> mornfall: just bug mbiebl - we will be glad to accept his fixes from upstream ;)
[06:31] <mornfall> works :)
[06:31] <Tonio_> mornfall: no idea :)
[06:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: well can you test maybe ?
[06:32] <Lure> Riddell: is it normal to change binary names from upstream (as suggested by mbiebl)
[06:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[06:32] <mornfall> Tonio_: are you interested in me testing? i can surely give it a try... what version are you on?
[06:32] <Tonio_> you have all infos here
[06:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: latest :)
[06:32] <Lure> it seems to just introduce additional confusion
[06:33] <Tonio_> Lure: gpg key removed from the repo, can you update wiki or do you want me to do it ?
[06:33] <mornfall> Tonio_: installing
[06:33] <Tonio_> mornfall: great ;)
[06:33] <Riddell> Lure: it's not unknown, and ubuntu should follow debian in such matters whatever they decide
[06:34] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, that is not of any use, and I must say really problematic for me, cause it makes the autoupdate of the repo very compliated
[06:34] <Riddell> Lure: suse also renames them
[06:34] <mornfall> Tonio_: hah, my glib is too old
[06:34] <Tonio_> mornfall: argh......
[06:34] <mornfall> Tonio_: source packs?
[06:35] <Tonio_> mornfall: it is on the webpage too :)
[06:35] <hunger> Tonio_: I stumbled over KDE_NO_IPV6 env-var today. Apparently konqui tries to use ipv6 (which times out) and only afterwards sends a ipv4 DNS request. The mentioned env-var stops the ipv6 request... do you think that is worth considering to add by default?
[06:36] <Tonio_> hunger: what problems does it cause actually ?
[06:36] <Tonio_> bugs realated to this ?
[06:37] <hunger> Tonio_: Most visible one is that konqui is slower than FF:-)
[06:37] <Tonio_> I agree ipv6 is only a toy actually
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I would agree personnaly, and you ?
[06:37] <hunger> Tonio_: Dunno of any bug. It works as is, but it adds a overhead to each DNS query.
[06:38] <Tonio_> hunger: sounds logic, and I imagine there should be more than 3 kubuntu users in the world using an ipv6 network :)
[06:38] <hunger> Tonio_: It might be a small one if your dns is configured properly or a big one if it isen't.
[06:38] <Tonio_> hunger: what is the file to configure ?
[06:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't have a problem with setting it
[06:38] <hunger> Tonio_: Actually I stumbled over this in a review where someone conplained about this (breezy).
[06:38] <Tonio_> is it a global env variable ?
[06:38] <Riddell> although we should document it somewhere google-able
[06:39] <hunger> Tonio_: I added a oneliner to /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[06:39] <Tonio_> hunger: that cannot be configured with k-d-s... and patching xorg for this touches ubuntu too ;)
[06:39] <hunger> Tonio_: just drop a file "KDE_NO_IPV6=true; export KDE_NO_IPV6" there.
[06:39] <Tonio_> hunger: I'll find another way
[06:40] <hunger> Tonio_: The var will get ignored on gnome... so this approach looked reasonable to me.
[06:40] <Tonio_> hunger: there should be a way to set env variables with kde :)
[06:41] <Riddell> patch startkde
[06:41] <Tonio_> hunger: hum.......... yes, but I would prefer to keep the maximum settings in k-d-s, for easier management and visibility
[06:41] <mornfall> well, let's do it... *upgrading to sid*
[06:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's whatI was thinking about
[06:41] <Tonio_> cause I already did a few modifications on it
[06:41] <Tonio_> hunger: patching now ;)
[06:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: but of course a setting in k-d-s is nicer if possible as you say
[06:41] <hunger> Tonio_: /etc/X11/Xsession.d is a dir... no harm dropping a file into it:-)
[06:42] <hunger> Tonio_: Should be doable from k-d-s I think.
[06:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will search a bit ;)
[06:43] <hunger> Tonio_: Give it a try first. I think konqui got faster here (of course it might just be my imagination, too;-)
[06:43] <Tonio_> hunger: whay are you waiting o bench ???? aren't you the geek I was imagining ???? ^^
[06:44] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, I checked the code... the var is evaluated and does suppress the ipv6 stuff. That was enough for me;-)
[06:44] <hunger> Tonio_: SuSE seems to be setting this var for ages by the way.
[06:44] <Tonio_> hunger: hehe ;) Okay, let me take a coffee and I'll do that toonight, with the networkmanager polishing
[06:45] <Tonio_> hunger: sounds good ;)
[06:47] <Tonio_> there si one thing I don't manage to do with knetworkmanager
[06:47] <Tonio_> how is it possible to set a fixed IP address ?
[06:47] <Tonio_> it only provides dhcp possibilities to me, or am I wrong ?
[06:47] <mornfall> Riddell: btw, any conclusion wrt app-install-data? anything i have to do?
[06:48] <Riddell> mornfall: mvo said he'd look into it
[06:48] <mornfall> okey, so forgetting the issue for now
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell:  noticed a little issue with the filter bar in konq
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm?
[06:49] <Tonio_> open a new tab and browse folders
[06:49] <Tonio_> you don't get the bar, cause it doesn't seem to be forced....
[06:49] <Tonio_> I assume that should be patched like the google bar no?
[06:50] <Tonio_> I will check the settings
[06:50] <Riddell> works for me
[06:51] <Riddell> would be nice if it had some indication of what it did though
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: and when browsing files, then changed to a url, and going back to files ?
[06:51] <Tonio_> that fails for me too
[06:52] <Riddell> yep, works great here
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum......... will test on a new profile :)
[06:53] <Lure> Tonio_: fixed IP is not supported by kNM - many complaints actually
[06:53] <Tonio_> Lure: and by nm-applet ?
[06:54] <Lure> ditto
[06:54] <Lure> NM limitation
[06:54] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[06:54] <Tonio_> Lure: well that's not stupid
[06:54] <Tonio_> nm is mostly for wifi connections, and they are most generally managed with dhcp
[06:55] <Tonio_> anyway, fixed IP's is an obsolete feature
[06:55] <Lure> Tonio_: it is just a bit problematic if you are requested to specify as then you need to go to command line
[06:55] <Tonio_> I always fix my ip addresses with dhcp + macaddress
[06:55] <Lure> KDE network config is lacking
[06:55] <Tonio_> knetworkconf works nicelly for this
[06:55] <Lure> Tonio_: same here -
[06:56] <mvo> initial language-selector-qt packages are available at "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/language-selector/ / ". testing is welcome, it uses apt-get to get the packages currently (until adept_batch enters the archive)
[06:56] <Lure> Tonio_: but does it work if you have also NM (temporarly switch to fixed IP)? we may need to test this
[06:56] <hunger> is somebody fixing NM to parse /etc/network/interfaces properly?
[06:56] <jjesse> what is adept=batch?
[06:56] <Lure> hunger: not that I am aware of - did you add report to wiki page?
[06:56] <mvo> bzr repo (for language-selector-qt) http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/language-selector/language-selector--qt/
[06:57] <Lure> NM is handled by _ion and Pygi 
[06:57] <Lure> Tonio_ does the package cleanup
[06:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that's a problem in the k-d-s config (the filemanagemnt profile for filterdir)
[06:57] <Lure> hunger: please add descriptive report to wiki page (that it is not lost)
[06:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: could you send me your ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/filemanagement in order to compare ?
[06:58] <hunger> Lure: I can't log on to the wiki today...
[06:58] <Lure> Riddell: binary rename - fine with me (I like it), just did not know what is right
[06:58] <hunger> Lure: Kwallet lost my passwd for it and LP does not like to send my a new password:-(
[06:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: no such file
[06:59] <Riddell> mvo: rocking
[06:59] <hunger> Lure: Let me search for my wallets in my backups, maybe I can find them somewhere after all:-)
[06:59] <Lure> hunger: can you send me details (example content) to e-mail and I will add
[06:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum.........
[07:01] <Lure> Tonio_: will you look into debian repositories for NM stuff they do (just to be alligned)
[07:03] <Tonio_> Lure: hum........depends on what they do hehe
[07:03] <Tonio_> there are so many patches canonical did that is it mostly better to go our way on that point
[07:03] <Lure> Tonio_: read mbiebl mail? it is listed there...
[07:03] <Tonio_> yep
[07:04] <Lure> Tonio_: the only I am concerned is libnl1, as ABI is changing (soname and stuff)
[07:04] <mvo> Riddell: it still lacks some stuff, but it is bascily working. some feedback would be welcome :)
[07:04] <Lure> otherwise is just renames of binaries...
[07:04] <Riddell> mvo: will look at it in a few minutes
[07:05] <mvo> Riddell: no rush, I'm off for dinner for ~30min :)
[07:21] <Riddell> mvo: the basics all work
[07:21] <Riddell> mvo: it installs language-pack-cy though, I'd expect language-pack-kde-cy
[07:23] <Riddell> mvo: uninstall works too
[07:23] <Riddell> mvo: well done, looks really nice
[07:32] <mornfall> Tonio_: powersaved dependencies are fscked in sid, that's all :)
[07:32] <mornfall> Tonio_: on up-to-date sid it does not segfault anymore
[07:33] <Tonio_> hum interesting ;)
[07:41] <mornfall> jjesse: a command line tool to install packages ala apt-get -- just a lot simpler commandline syntax for now and it pops up adept download/install screen instead of showing progress in terminal
[07:44] <mvo> Riddell: thanks. the detection for gnome/kde langpack is missing
[08:11] <Lure> Tonio_: _ion is on #ubuntu-devel - he plans to work on libnl shared library issue
[08:45] <superstoned> sorry for pestering about this, but i wonder about the performance status of Kubuntu... actually i wonder about 2 things:
[08:45] <superstoned> - did -fvisibility=hidden get in?
[08:47] <superstoned> - will fontconfig 2.4 get into dapper? if so, can qt 3.3.6 get in, as it'll benefit from the latest fontconfig and make KDE apps startup faster...
[08:47] <superstoned> togheter, these 2 things can easilly get apps startup in less than half the time the used to, and that would be cool, wouldn
[08:48] <superstoned> 't it?
[08:52] <sebas> superstoned: And -Bdirect :)
[08:52] <superstoned> hmm, i know ubuntu uses it, so i guessed it worked in kubuntu ;-)
[08:52] <superstoned> acutally i used ubuntu's -Bdirect patched glibc when running gentoo :D
[08:53] <superstoned> anyway, you have any idea about the fontconfig thing? i know the ubuntu ppl *wanted* to get it in, but i don't know if they still plan to do it, or patch the 2.3.x version, or maybe they already did that...
[08:54] <superstoned> and IF they did or do it, i'd love to see qt 3.3.6, as that would speed things up :D
[08:54] <superstoned> and i guess its not that hard to get qt 3.3.6 in...
[09:38] <Tm_T> kwwii is gone?
[09:42] <Pygi> Lure: ping
[09:43] <Pygi> Lure: ping
[09:48] <Lure> Pygi: hi
[09:48] <Pygi> Hi hi
[09:48] <Lure> Pygi: quite some users with working NM, but not many reports (0 in wiki)
[09:48] <Pygi> you have 1 on ur wiki
[09:49] <Pygi> and we have few
[09:49] <Pygi> Tonio_: thanks for editing ^_^
[09:49] <Lure> this were all added by me... ;-)
[09:49] <Lure> I would like to have positive reports (these we need for inclusion)
[09:50] <Lure> I am thinking of maybe putting a table (probably as sub-page), where users could reports which combinations were tested and work
[09:51] <Lure> like wifi driver, driver version, NM version...
[09:51] <Pygi> ah, worry do not
[09:51] <Pygi> if everything is quiet, then you know it works ...
[09:51] <Pygi> one loud shouting is made, then it's bad ;)
[09:51] <Lure> Pygi: the fact is also that most of the users have some kind of issue first, then it starts working...
[09:52] <Pygi> Lure: bigest problem is that one with background scanning
[09:52] <Lure> I had to help several people on IRC/forums today
[09:53] <Lure> Pygi: yes and cards that just do not work (for example Riddell's airo)
[09:54] <Pygi> Lure: yup, but we can't influence on non workin' cards
[09:54] <Lure> Pygi: we should at least document that they do not work - no to get angry reports...
[09:54] <Lure> s/no/not/
[09:54] <Pygi> Lure: kk
[09:55] <Lure> this is why I though a table would make sense
[09:55] <Lure> hunger: you have madwifi, right?
[09:58] <Pygi> Tonio_: you there?
[10:28] <mornfall> Tm_T: what option?
[10:29] <Tm_T> ?
[10:30] <Tm_T> mornfall: what?
[10:31] <mornfall> Tm_T:          Tm_T | #kubuntu     % tomplast: anyway, I hope adept has it one day, as an option
[10:31] <Tm_T> aah
[10:32] <Tm_T> we talked about when removing app, also removing its now orphaned dependencies
[10:32] <Tm_T> asking of it
[10:32] <mornfall> Tm_T: ask again in a year :)
[10:33] <Tm_T> asking orphans before removing, asking orphans after removing, diff is what we ask from user
[10:33] <Tm_T> mornfall: yeah, I don't need it but many users would like to have it
[10:33] <mornfall> Tm_T: i know
[10:33] <Tm_T> :)
[10:34] <mornfall> Tm_T: if someone can pay me fulltime to work on adept related things, you will have it in few months
[10:34] <Tm_T> mornfall: if I promise to send some bread, will you do?
[10:34] <mornfall> heh
[10:34] <Tm_T> homebaked
[10:34] <mornfall> oh :)
[10:34] <mornfall> that's a different matter
[10:35] <Tm_T> (yeah, not enough money to buy bread :p)
[10:35] <mornfall> now, i did not think that way
[10:35] <Tm_T> actually I haven't have any money since... january?
[10:35] <mornfall> Tm_T: :|
[10:35] <mornfall> blows
[10:35] <Tm_T> but hey, who needs any money when you have homebaked bread :)
[10:36] <mornfall> as for bread, even uni pays me enough to buy bread (not to pay rent, but that's a different matter)
[10:41] <mornfall> good night ladies and gentlemen
[10:43] <kmon> Hi, I have a weird error with kdm and usplash. When I switch to kdm from a existing session and go back to the current session, kdm launches usplash a few seconds. I have to use ctrl+alt+f7 to return to the using session.
[10:43] <kmon> I have just discovered it
[10:49] <kmon> I'm going to file a bug
[11:05] <ubijtsa> hohum... breezy -> dapper was less painful than I anticipated
[11:06] <hunger> ubijtsa: There is no pain in ubuntu... only chances to learn.
[11:06] <ubijtsa> hunger: depends on the situation
[11:07] <ubijtsa> still, dapper ate my initrd's so I had to boot of CD to fix them :-/
[11:07] <ubijtsa> but, I have a exotic setup. my rootfs is on /dev/md0
[11:08] <hunger> ubijtsa: So is mine... worked out of the box.
[11:09] <hunger> ubijtsa: But then I installed dapper and didn't upgrade, so this does not compare.
[11:09] <ubijtsa> hunger: not here. something did not work in the update.. but I did a dist-upgrade off the net, not off a CD
[11:10] <ubijtsa> still, much easier dist-upgrade than the one I did from hoary to breezy
[11:10] <hunger> ubijtsa: Write some bugreports and hope for someone to fix it.
[11:10] <ubijtsa> hunger: oh, I will :)
[11:10] <ubijtsa> in the morning though, I am off to bed now
[11:11] <hunger> ubijtsa: Same here. Good night.
[11:11] <ubijtsa> nn
[11:17] <Pygi> Tonio_:  please ping me once you get back