=== mornfall disappears for tonight -- good night :) === Lure goes to bed too [12:05] Lura, you can't do that ;) [12:05] not yet at least [12:06] Pygi: ;-) I have to - kids will jump on me at 6:30 and then day-job is waiting for me [12:06] ;-) [12:06] Lure: bah [12:06] kk [12:06] night [12:07] hehe === je4d [n=jeff@peridot.caffeinated.me.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact__ [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:02] Tonio_:ping [01:02] Pygi: [01:02] ping ? === Pygi spams, and tells everyone to test new n-m [01:18] Pygi: It crashes here if I change the network via the systray popup. [01:18] I'm now doing a dist-upgrade to check. [01:18] sebas: please post the bug, with traces, info on how to reproduce, etc. to the ubuntu-devel mailing list [01:18] kk, great [01:18] ubuntu or kubuntu-devel? [01:19] ubuntu-devel [01:19] Ok. [01:20] you can direct to kubuntu-devel as well, once my annoucement reaches there [01:22] It's there already. [01:22] You're Mario, right? [01:22] ah,kk [01:22] yup [01:22] Ok. [01:22] now I doubled my post ... joy :-/ [01:23] Hehe. [01:23] it's not funny [01:23] ;) [01:23] then you can just respond to that thread with issues, bugs, etc [01:24] and while ur at it, please say to ignore the other post ^_^ [01:24] thanks [01:32] hmmm [01:33] raphink: yes? [01:33] hmm just wondering [01:33] what is your contribution in network-manager actually? [01:34] raphink: testing, fixing, finding people to test, writing wiki's, reporting issues, and a lot of nice things ^_^ [01:34] nice [01:35] raphink: it will be nice if it really works for most people, and we can get it into dapper ^_^ [01:38] I'm somewhat missing the option to store network configurations. [01:39] If I have to type the wep keys of different networks manually everytime, that renders it useless for me. [01:39] Does n-m support something like that? [01:39] sebas: it does [01:39] Ah, how? [01:39] sebas: knetworkmanager of nm-applet ? [01:40] knetworkmanager was the thing I've started. [01:40] ./.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc [01:40] remove this maybe ;) [01:41] dunno where the passwords are stored in fact [01:41] it just works here [01:42] I don't have that file. [01:43] sebas: did you simply restart kde since the installation ? [01:43] Yes. [01:43] Now it doesn't even find my network adapter [01:49] Pygi: just so you know, there's no need to build it for ppc (or for any arch) before putting it in the official repos ;) [01:49] raphink: yes, yes, yes ;) === Pygi has to agree ;) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:07] wb Tonio_ === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-247-111.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:42] powerpc packages for networkmanager/wlassistant/wpasupplicant/knetworkmanager/powersave/kpowersave are built and available :) === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel === enfact [n=enfact@c-24-63-70-248.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@kde/developer/je4d] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034213166.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A6134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andre^off [n=snatch@static-ip-62-75-169-150.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PounK [n=jkhc@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Get] === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.73] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0C5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0C5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] mornfall: thank you :) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.73] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@60.55.227.27] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T will start to test Gnome [10:05] Anyone using the new network-manager stuff? [10:06] I'm using Gnome, is it bad enough? [10:06] does not work at all here... the nm-applet for gnome does not even start. [10:07] kNM does start but sits there sulking about my box not having any connection whatsoever. [10:08] And WPA (which worked before) is broken now, too:-( === hunger should stop jumping on all new packages. === Tm_T should stop using Gnome [10:09] I feel sick... [10:09] Tm_T: I actually was trying to switch to gnome for a while, too. [10:09] I'm just testing [10:10] not switching, you evil! [10:10] But since I couldn't get that to accept my keycombos I stopped doing that. === hunger sighs. [10:14] hunger: yes, I do [10:15] Lure: Does it do anything for you? [10:15] yes, it works as it should [10:15] hunger: what kind ofwifi driver are you using [10:15] Lure: Sits here claiming "no networks" and that's it. [10:15] Lure: madwifi. [10:15] did you install/update also l-r-m drivers? [10:15] Lure: I upgraded the l-r-m, so that should be OK (I think). [10:16] Lure: And it does not recognize my wired net either. [10:16] did you try commenting out interfaces in /e/n/interfaces === hunger is useng the cable right now since WPA is completly screwed up since the upgrade. [10:17] Lure: Yeap... those are empty. [10:17] it only works if you have dhcp or not listed there [10:17] Lure: I have both eth0 and ath0 on dhcp (and tried disableing both as well). [10:17] what does iwlist scan tell you? [10:17] does it find any network? [10:18] Lure: It gives a list of networks... looks sane. [10:18] you should do the following: kill NetworkManager and quit knetworkmanager [10:18] Lure: It does list mine with correct params and a couple of those of my neighbors. [10:18] then "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" from one terminal and knetworkmanager from other [10:18] Lure: I did... even rebooted (more to see the new usplash screen). No change. [10:18] this will give you progress messages [10:19] Lure: OK, will try that. [10:19] Riddell had also problems (he is using airo) [10:19] I would just like to see if it is the same... [10:20] Lure: NetworkManager gives a line "starting..." and then sits there. [10:20] Lure: Starting kNM adds a new line "Updating allowed wireless network lists." [10:21] Lure: That's it. [10:21] kNM says "no network devices found". [10:22] this is strange... [10:22] is NetworkManagerDispatcher running? [10:22] (I am on Breezy currently and cannot check) [10:23] you may want to ping _ion or Pygi (in #ubuntu-devel) and discuss in private message [10:23] Lure: Not anymore... [10:23] they are maintaining NM core packages [10:24] Lure: Let me see what happens if I start it. [10:24] hunger: NM and NMDispatcher are supposed to be started by dbus (AFAIK), maybe killing NM caused it (but I do not have such experience) [10:26] Lure: Got both runnig at the same time now: Same messages. [10:26] mornfall: do you know if the updated adept packages have been posted yet? /me no seeing them [10:27] hunger: AFAIR, NM should print much more on startup with --no-daemon [10:28] I am sorry, but I will have to run now and will be offline for couple of hours. [10:28] Lure: Hey... suddenly it does! [10:28] it does what? [10:30] Lure: gave lots of text... [10:31] Lure: eth0 seems to work now... No idea what I just changed... [10:31] madwifi driver does not support bacground scan, maybe this is why it took so long? [10:31] BTW, this scan issue may also cause disconnects... [10:32] any error in messages? [10:32] Lure: No, I commented out the eth0/ath0 lines in /etc/network/interfaces again. [10:32] Lure: This time this caused eth0 to be recognized... [10:32] does it mention ath0 at all in messages? [10:33] (maybe is not aware of it?) [10:33] Lure: Yes, it does now. [10:33] OK, but still no networks? [10:33] Lure: It can not connect with it, but it detects my AP now. [10:34] OK, you are using WPA? [10:34] is wpasupplicant running (it should not!) [10:34] Lure: Damn... restarted dbus to get back to the "default" NM and now the wlan is gone again. [10:34] At least he keapt eth0 this time. [10:35] this is a bit strange, maybe somthing is taking over your ath0 [10:35] is wpasupplicant or dhclient running on ath0? [10:35] You should disable wpasupplicant (ENABLED=0 in /e/d/wpasupplicant) [10:36] NM takes over control and calls wpasupplicant as required [10:37] Lure: I did that. [10:37] Lure: WPA did work (via ifup/down) before just fine. [10:38] Ah... ath0 is "temporarily unavailable" whatever that is supposed to mean. [10:40] hunger: I think some process is taking your ath0 [10:40] is wpasupplicant or dhclient running for ath0? [10:40] Lure: I turned wireless of via the kNM applet... I think that was a bad idea. [10:41] WPA works completely different with NM (over dbus) as before (config file with ifup/ifdpown) [10:41] Turn it on again (I did not test this) === hunger hates NM:-) [10:41] Lure: I did. It won't come back. [10:41] do "ps -ef | grep wpasupp" [10:42] check /etc/default/wpasupplicant that "ENABLED=0" [10:42] Ah! there it is again! [10:42] rmmod ath_pci && modprobe ath_pci sometimes do wonders;-) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:43] hunger: I have to run now, I will be back in couple of hours [10:43] Lure: Thanks for your help so far! [10:43] no problem [10:43] we need testers like you! [10:44] If you find something, you may want to put it into wiki page (comments) [10:44] bye === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:45] see you around. [10:46] My kwallets vanished again! might that be due to kNM? === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:51] Riddell: How about setting KDE_NO_IPV6 by default? [11:51] Riddell: Speeds up konqui for webbrowsing a lot here. === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:05] ubijtsa2: no [12:05] ubijtsa2: they will be uploaded sometime this work-week i hope :) === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] mornfall: ok, no sweat :) [12:30] ubijtsa: if you want to try, get ept source package, in libept/packagedetails.cpp add KMimeType::defaultMimeTypePtr(); before m_thread = asyncCall... line (somewhere around line 132) [12:30] ubijtsa: debuild, install and try out :) [12:30] mornfall: I think I'll wait ;) [12:30] bah [12:31] hehe [12:31] I have other thing on my mind at the moment.. like preparing for a presentation about performance testing.. :-/ === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:33] Hi, I'm trying the new knetworkmanager, but I seem to be to dumb to get it to work with my ipw2200. Can someone help me? [12:34] kmon: Sorry, I am too dumb, too. [12:35] kmon: And the user-channel should be a better place to ask such questions (even though I did ask here, too;-) [12:35] hunger: ok. === hunger got eth0 to work now. [12:37] hunger: can you help me then? [12:40] kmon: try moving /etc/network/interfaces out the way, that affects it [12:40] need to restart NetworkManager after === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] hunger: I don't notice any difference [12:41] Riddell: With KDE_NO_IPV6? [12:41] yeah [12:41] Riddell: ok, i'll try it now. [12:41] Riddell: Maybe you got a proper ipv6 DNS then. [12:41] Riddell: Halves konqui load times to half for me. [12:41] no, I don't === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:44] Lure: hey. repo worked - knetworkmanager is acting weirdly though === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:44] Riddell: Hmmm.... did you set it before konqui is started (i.e. in /etc/X11/Xsession.d? [12:49] hunger: I set it on command line, started konqi from that command line and raced the konqi and my old konqi instance to load various websites [12:49] but I have no ipv6 in my resolv.conf or routing table [12:49] do you? [12:55] Hobbsee: which wifi driver? [12:56] Lure: ndiswrapper. card is netgear wg511 v2 [12:56] interesting - I though that ndiswrapper is no-go with NM... [12:56] what problems do you have? disconnects? [12:57] lemme reply in a bit... [12:58] nyah to that idiot. [12:58] right, now. [12:59] Lure: it shows as d/c'd, says no network device found, but gives me the option to disable wireless, or to work in offline mode [01:00] Hobbsee: you can try killing NetworkManager and start it with sudo and --no-daemon to get messages reported === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:01] also if you start knetworkmanager manually in termnial, you get messages [01:01] then it might tell you more (if your card is at all considered...) [01:01] ERROR: Communication problem with knetworkmanager, it probably crashed. [01:01] sarah@sarah:~$ knetworkmanager: [static DBusHandlerResult DBusConnection::networkManagerInfoMessageHandler(DBusConnection*, DBusMessage*, void*)] getNetworks [01:01] but it's there, same stuff as before [01:01] BTW, did you check your /e/n/interfaces that your wifi is either dhcp or commented out? [01:02] yeah, it's dhcp, but it has wap encryption [01:02] Hobbsee: you should not have anything in /e/n/interfaces about wifi (only dhcp line is allowed) [01:02] not even auto wlan0? [01:02] all WEP/WPA is specfied in kNM and stored in wallet [01:03] not needed, but can stay === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] and it's got the WPA supplicant set to start [01:04] wpasupplicant has to have ENABLED=0 in /e/d/wpasupplicant - it will be now managed by NM [01:04] through dbus [01:04] ah ok === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] Does anyone here know how do I scan for available networks with knetwork manager in dapper? [01:10] it's iwlist wlan0 scan, via command line [01:10] kmon: they should just get listed by default (in main menu, under wired) [01:10] kmon: which wifi driver do you have? [01:10] ipw2200 [01:11] ipw2200 should work - can you check which driver version? [01:11] dmesg | grep ipw2200 [01:11] I am using 1.1.0 and is working great (new kernel, hopefully today will have ipw2200 1.1.1) [01:12] 1.0.10 [01:12] it's the one provided by dapper [01:15] I can't find where I can set the channel in a wifi connection [01:18] kmon: why would you need to set the channel - NM kind of work only with default settings (fixed ones are not supporte (yet?)) [01:19] I am not sure, maybe 1.0.10 is too old. [01:19] but you should first check /e/n/interfaces and comment out all manual settigns for you wifi (only allowed lines are auto and dhcp [01:20] Lure: I've removed everything in /etc/network/interfaces except or lo [01:21] Lure: I want to set the channel because I have manually changed the channel in my router config long ago [01:21] Lure: and i'm using ipw2200 driver privided by default dapper kernel [01:21] kmon: but if router is on fixed channel, then client should connect on that one, shouldn;'t it? [01:22] Lure: I don't know.... I also have essid hidden [01:22] maybe thats the problem? [01:22] can you kill NetworkManager and start it with "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" in console to see messages? [01:22] hidden essid can be specified (not tried it though) [01:23] there should be "Connect other Wireless network..." or similar in kNM menu [01:23] I suppose you would need to enter it once and then would be stored in KDE wallet (at least WEP/WPA keys are there) [01:24] hmm...this is weird [01:25] Lure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10549 [01:25] Lure: yes, I can see the connect to another network [01:26] Hobbsee: do you have NM running in other terminal (--no-daemon)? [01:26] not that i know of [01:26] trying to kill it - no process killed === mvo [n=egon@p54A66BD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] can someone please tell me, where im supposed to be able to find the history in konqueror [01:33] F9, history tab [01:33] hi mvo [01:34] history tab? [01:34] the one with the clock [01:34] oh, i see [01:34] so like, .. why do i need a keyboard shortcut to find the history :\ [01:35] seems to me it should at least be in a menu [01:35] Hobbsee: did you reboot (I get out of ideas... ;-)) [01:36] Lure: i didnt [01:37] hunger reported that even reloading wifi driver helped (a bit ;-), maybe similar with security [01:37] it didnt work, from when i rebooted earlier [01:40] hello Riddell [01:41] *grrr* === ubijtsa2 has lost patience with skim.. where's the BFG9k === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] Lure: Hi again, I've changed the channel via cli and now knetworkmanager shows all available networks, but it still doesn't connect to my home wlan [01:51] I went to winxp and managed to connect so the password seems to be OK [01:52] kmon: remind me - which security do you use? [01:52] WPA [01:54] do you have ENABLED=0 in /etc/default/wpasupplicant? [01:54] is wpasupplicant running (it should not) [01:55] Lure: I have ENABLED=0 [01:55] wpasupplicant doesn't seem to be running, it's not in ps -A [01:56] OK, then kill NetworkManager, start from terminal with "sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon" and look for messages that are reported then you try to connect === hunger [n=tobias@p54A638F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:56] BTW, does kNM ask you for WPA password? if not, you may also want to start kNM from terminal and look for its messages [01:57] Lure: Did you get my last couple of messages? [01:57] Lure: kNM works now for me... I needed to "Connect to other network" once. [01:57] Lure: Now it works, even when I click on the network. [01:57] hunger: great! [01:58] Lure: So how do I start/stop the interfaces on the commandline? [01:58] 1 down, 3 to go (current number of people to help ;-)) [01:58] hunger: what do you mean with stop? disconnect? [01:59] Lure: I use ifup/ifdown a lot... how does that work with NM now? [02:00] you can always use ifconfig directly (ifconfig up/down) - I am just concerned that NM may reconnect [02:00] Lure: I.e. my backup script tries to bring up eth0 with ifup before starting... [02:00] hunger: maybe there is other way (maybe dbus call to NM?), but I do not know. sorry. [02:00] Lure: Yes, ifconfig works... but ifup/ifdown (which is way more comftable) does not work anymore since I needed to remove the definitions for ath0/eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces. [02:01] hunger: you can leave /e/n/interfaces in, if it is only auto and dhcp line [02:02] NM only cares if you have any manual config (static IP, essid, channel) - such interfaces are skipped by NM [02:02] wiki page is a bit misleading... maybe this will allow you to use both: ifup/ifdown + NM... [02:02] I am on Breezy now, so I cannot test (and no WIFI here to test) === Hobbsee tests out [02:03] Hmm~.~. [02:04] Lure: Nope... NM freezes when you have some dhcp configured:-( [02:05] interesting... [02:06] it works for me (just checked by Dapper config file...) [02:06] I have "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" lines and it works [02:06] hunger: is this the same you tested with? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:07] Lure: I have no auto line, just the iface eth0 inet dhcp. [02:07] add auto line and check - I think you need it [02:08] Lure: well, we're making progress. it does start, now, and finds the network, just doesnt accept the wpa key - gets stuck on activation [02:08] ENABLED=0? [02:08] Lure: I do not want a auto line... and even if NM does not like iface without auto it should not start getting dbus-errors! [02:08] Hobbsee: kNM asks you for key? [02:09] yes, then doesnt seem to accept it [02:09] hunger: I agree... :-( === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] this is why we are testing... [02:09] Hobbsee: does it ask for right version of WPA (1 or 2) and encryption (TKIP/AES)? [02:10] Hobbsee: any running wpasupplicant process? [02:10] didnt see it ask for which version of wpa, but it did ask about encytion, which i left as auto [02:10] Lure: no [02:11] Hobbsee: I had similar issue yesterday (too many hacking on my system)... it helped to removed kNM config file (~/.kde/share/config/... somewhere) and restart kNM [02:12] you should also run it from terminal to see messages [02:12] Lure: right [02:13] Lure: The parser for /etc/network/interfaces is bogus! === hunger [n=tobias@p54A638F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:14] hunger: can you log this on wiki page? [02:15] Lure: The parser for /etc/network/interfaces is bogus! [02:15] Lure: It accepts the interface lines if "inet dhcp" is on a different line from "iface eth0"! [02:15] Lure: ... which unfortunately is not valid in ifup/down. [02:16] hunger: please put your findings on wiki page (comments) and somebody will look into it [02:17] Riddell: sorry for turning your channel into NM support ;-) [02:18] :) [02:19] guess most of the devel people will be usign this anyway [02:19] Lure: i cant find thatconfig file [02:19] Hobbsee: just a minute... === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc [02:20] maybe is written on first successful connect, which you have not experienced yet... [02:20] ;-) [02:21] ah... [02:21] which explains why i cant find it [02:21] or on quit? [02:23] ping [02:24] Hobbsee: ping what? ;-) [02:24] ping aka am i here? [02:24] i had a wireless connection! [02:24] great! [02:25] why past tense? ;-) [02:25] Lure: cos i switched back to wired, to try wireless again... :( [02:26] why :( - it does not work anymore? [02:26] nice thing about knetworkmanager is that all it's problems seem to be in network-manager and not in the kde side [02:26] mvo: how can we improve the icons in app-install-data? [02:26] So now that WLAN works in KDE, when will suspend get tackled;-) [02:27] Riddell: kNM (and nm-applet) are just small front-ends - not much code [02:27] hunger: you mean powersave? [02:27] Lure: It would be great if the applet would only ask for the kwallet password if it actually needs access to the passphrases. [02:28] Riddell: but we will still have hard time with inclusion if we do not nail them down... ;-) [02:28] Lure: But that is the only nit I found to pick on kNM:-) [02:28] hunger: we do not have latest sources (waiting for SuSE to publish) - maybe it is already addressed [02:29] hunger: you may put comment to kNM author on http://blog.nouse.net/ === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] nyah! [02:29] hey Lure - it works! [02:29] just dont touch it after it does! [02:30] Hobbsee, hunger: will you put your experience to wiki page (under Issues/Comments)? [02:30] Lure: okay, but i might do more testing first, see what happens after a reboot [02:30] Hobbsee: for sure... [02:30] Riddell: will knetworkmanager eventually not depend on networkmanager? [02:30] Lure: Nope... I am too stupid to login to the wiki today. [02:31] hunger: lol [02:31] Hobbsee: how could it not? [02:31] Riddell: i dont know...i just dont like having to have a whole lot of gnome stuff on my kde machine :P [02:32] Riddell: sure, what improvments do you need? [02:33] mvo: we have a lot of icons missing, I think it assumes gnome-icon-theme is installed? [02:35] Riddell: missing in what sense? from the gui? or from the icon directory? [02:37] hmm, actually lots of kde ones are missing too (from the GUI) [02:39] Hobbsee: networkmanager was split to NM (no GNOME) + nm-applet (GNOME stuff like keyring...) [02:39] I did not check, but there should not be (m)any GNOME dependencies... [02:40] Lure: ah ok, cool :) === Hobbsee has nm-applet installed anyway, IIRC - with gnome installed [02:41] but that wont be permanent === Tm_T finds other DE/WM:s hilarious [02:43] I tested Gnome and WindowMaker [02:43] Gnome is pure hell [02:43] golden cage [02:44] WMaker is ok, but hwne I wanted to logout... === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@60.55.227.27] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:44] +1 Tm_T [02:44] atleast ctrl+alt+backspace worked [02:44] hehe! [02:44] KDE <3 [02:45] stupid people with their stupid designs... now out -> [02:48] mvo: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/adept-installer.png [02:48] mvo: how do icons get into app-install-data? === mornfall appears out of thin air === mornfall is amazed that it's already almost 3pm === mornfall jumps at mvo asking what does he need in adept_batch [02:50] mornfall: thats the disadvantage of being +0100 :) [02:51] i have another hour :) [02:51] seaLne: i will be +0200 in a bit [02:51] sun is up and running by 7am already [02:51] i think tis weeked is wehn BST starts (+0100) === mornfall notes that Riddell has probably even smaller font than me [02:52] mornfall: hello! thanks a lot of adding adept_batch. the current install/remove stuff should be fine for the needs of the language-selector [02:52] what does the unsupported checkbox do? is that universe/multiverse? [02:52] Riddell: they are extracted from a small python script that scans the archives [02:55] mvo: so how come none of those programmes have an icon that's included [02:55] presumably the script doesn't know how to find kde icons? [02:56] mornfall: my custom KDM (used for usplash_down stuff) doesn't have the DPI setting script. my eyes are starting to hurt a bit [03:01] Riddell: possible, I will have a look when I'm finished with my language-selector work (later this afternoon) === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/emacs.png :) [03:04] Hi. I want to help testing KPowersave. [03:04] Where can I find packages for kubuntu? [03:04] I'm using dapper [03:05] kmon: ah, universe, i think [03:06] Hobbsee: found here the announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-March/000910.html [03:07] or is that in tonio_'s repo now? a later version? [03:07] i dont remember [03:08] hm, I see no difference between uncheck and tristate in my QListView with QCheckListItem. is that a theme issue? [03:08] oh, solved [03:08] sorry for the noise [03:09] Qt/KDE related noise is what this channel is all about === faked [n=faked@83-65-235-58.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] Riddell: heh :) pyqt is rather nice I must say [03:13] Is there a gdebi interface planned for kubuntu? [03:13] kmon: well, lets see how mvo gets on with his other qt ports :) [03:14] Riddell: ok. :) [03:14] kmon: I believe it's not too difficult, just needs someone to do it [03:15] Riddell: And about kpowersave... do you think it might get into dapper? [03:16] kmon: gdebi should be fairely straihtforward, especially since we have adept_batch now [03:16] mvo: thanks [03:17] mvo: adept_batch is still in SVN, should be uploaded this week [03:17] kmon: I have no idea alas, power stuff scares me and espresso is my priority === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === Hobbsee is suprised - i'm actually having success with kpowersave [03:22] Hobbsee: why suprised? [03:22] on i386 should work [03:22] Lure: because klaptop worked for a bit, then crashed eveyr single time [03:23]