[12:03] <andrewski> rysiek|pl: cheers
[12:03] <djk_> ompaul: i know that. but when someone states, in here, that having a root account is a bad idea, i do think an explanation in here is needed.
[12:03] <rysiek|pl> hi
[12:03] <noirequus> djk_: join me in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[12:07] <Kyral> meh screw XGL
[12:07] <Kyral> too buggy for my tastes
[12:08] <schorem> XGL is fun, workt fine for me
[12:08] <schorem> Just installed Kubuntu dapper drake flight 5, so far so good
[12:08] <Kyral> schorem: I couldn't login to Kopete because somehow the dialog for KWallet wasn't popping up right
[12:08] <schorem> I have to say I did get it working on GNOME
[12:09] <Kyral> and it still ****s up my media players...so no anime (which is a breaker for me :P)
[12:09] <frank__> Kyral: use kaffeine-xine   everything works for me
[12:09] <schorem> Didn't have that problem. I posted some small tutorial on ubuntux.org
[12:10] <schorem> Also a screenshot
[12:10] <Kyral> frank__: Don
[12:10] <Kyral> e
[12:10] <frank__> Kyral: oh your problem is with xgl?
[12:10] <Kyral> frank__: yah :D
[12:10] <frank__> Kyral: ok
[12:11] <schorem> Kyral: How did u install?
[12:11] <Kyral> with the XGL Howto on Wiki.Ubuntu
[12:11] <schorem> I followed the tut on ubuntuforums
[12:11] <schorem> works fine
[12:11] <Kyral> video playing?
[12:12] <schorem> yep
[12:12] <Kyral> hmm
[12:12] <Kyral> link :P
[12:12] <schorem> even transparent windows
[12:13] <schorem> see screener: http://www.debianforum.nl/wiki/index.php/Afbeelding:Schorems_xgl.png
[12:13] <frank23> maybe a video driver issue?
[12:15] <E-Train> is there anyway to check traffic on port 80. It seems like i have a really burpey connection. traffic on other ports like 6667 are fine. Any tips?
[12:17] <E-Train> is there anyway to check traffic on port 80. It seems like i have a really burpey connection. traffic on other ports like 6667 are fine. Any tips?
[12:19] <E-Train> is there anyway to check traffic on port 80. It seems like i have a really burpey connection. traffic on other ports like 6667 are fine. Can anyone help?
[12:20] <Kyral> oy kinda sketchy
[12:20] <noirequus> !repeat
[12:21] <noirequus> E-Train: repeating isn't gonna get an answer any quicker, and just floods the channel
[12:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, repeat is Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you.  You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://www.ubuntuforums.org while you wait.
[12:24] <Kyral> Hmm some of the shortcuts no work
[12:25] <noirequus> Kyral: did you get my /msg ?
[12:25] <Kyral> noirequus: no///
[12:25] <kbrooks> iskde easy?
[12:25] <kbrooks> is kde easy?
[12:27] <frank23> kbrooks: what do you mean? kde is different. some like it better
[12:28] <Kyral> hmm
[12:28] <Kyral> I think I need to jack up the min FPS
[12:29] <Kyral> forget it
[12:29] <Kyral> its a nice show, but too much trouble
[12:30] <kbrooks> What nice show?
[12:30] <Kyral> XGL
[12:30] <kbrooks> ah?
[12:30] <_phil> who knows how to make a kubuntu instal disk
[12:30] <_phil> ?
[12:31] <frank23> _phil: you download the image and then burn it. did you download it?
[12:32] <_phil> um were can i download the image
[12:32] <frank23> !iso
[12:32] <ubotu> iso is probably download Ubuntu at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ and for help burning the CD, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[12:33] <souldaddy> question:  so i downloaded some software i want to install.  how do i import it with adept?  or does adept search ALL my files?
[12:33] <frank23> souldaddy: adept can only install software which is in the ubuntu repository
[12:34] <frank23> souldaddy: anything that is not there you have to install manually. what did you want to install?
[12:36] <souldaddy> well, i downloaded flash from macromedia, but then i realized its in the repository already
[12:36] <frank23> souldaddy: did you enable universe and multiverse?
[12:36] <souldaddy> ya
[12:37] <souldaddy> well i think i did :)  i followed the instructions how
[12:37] <frank23> souldaddy: you must have because I think flash is in multiverse
[12:37] <souldaddy> ya
[12:37] <souldaddy> so i mean, like what software isn't in the respository?  lol
[12:37] <souldaddy> i've been randomly searching stuff and i cant find anything thats not in here
[12:38] <frank23> souldaddy: mostly commercial software and some lesser used programs
[12:39] <arrinmurr> cinelerra :/
[12:40] <souldaddy> so frank23 :  i have these java IDE's on a cd that came with my school textbook.  it says they have linux IDE'S on here, and other stuff.  how would i go about installing that?
[12:40] <frank23> souldaddy: things like sun java, w32codecs, libdvdcss are commonly used but cannot be distributed by ubuntu. you can find other repositories for them though
[12:40] <souldaddy> like what does that mean
[12:40] <souldaddy> this is someone who's been using linux for the last 45 minutes
[12:40] <souldaddy> the only 45 minutes of linux i've ever seen :O
[12:41] <frank23> souldaddy: hehe ;)  libdvdcss is needed for playing dvds, w32codecs for playing closed video formats like wmv
[12:41] <Dasnipa`> java.sun.com will have the java IDEs and stuff
[12:42] <frank23> !tell souldaddy about restricted
[12:42] <Dasnipa`> while we're at it...
[12:42] <Pyrobob> how do Iu ninstall cvswinex?
[12:43] <Dasnipa`> !tell souldaddy about sudo
[12:43] <souldaddy> haha
[12:43] <souldaddy> i love the !tell
[12:43] <souldaddy> i think its slightly humorous.  but probably saves you guys a lot of time
[12:43] <frank23> souldaddy: it does. everyone has the same questions
[12:44] <Pyrobob> I don't have a source file I installed cvswinex from. I used a script that I ran with the shell. how would I uninstall it?
[12:44] <frank23> Pyrobob: was installed using a make install  command at the end?
[12:44] <souldaddy> ahah
[12:44] <Pyrobob> don't think so
[12:45] <frank23> Pyrobob: how was it installed exactly?
[12:45] <Pyrobob> cd Desktop
[12:45] <Pyrobob> ./GetCVSWineX.sh
[12:45] <Pyrobob> let the script do all the work
[12:45] <Pyrobob> think it did the "make install" for me
[12:45] <Pyrobob> because I didn't haev to
[12:45] <Pyrobob> have*
[12:45] <frank23> Pyrobob: you never used sudo or su anywhere?
[12:46] <Pyrobob> oh yeah sry
[12:46] <Pyrobob> was logged in as su
[12:46] <Pyrobob> when I did it
[12:46] <jhronline> #gay
[12:46] <jhronline> lol
[12:47] <Pyrobob> so...
[12:47] <frank23> Pyrobob: I'm not sure...  if you can't find a uninstall script of some sort, look in  /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib  for the files it would have installed. simply deleting them might be ok
[12:48] <Pyrobob> alrighty
[12:48] <Pyrobob> im too lazy to search for an uninstall script... *clears the files manually*
[12:48] <frank23> Pyrobob: hopefully they are in /usr/local
[12:49] <Pyrobob> frank23: um... I've got like 14 icons that say wine... unsure whats what
[12:49] <Pyrobob> frank23: just clear all the "wine" icons and re-install what I need?
[12:50] <frank23> Pyrobob: do look in /usr/local with a terminal
[12:51] <frank23> Pyrobob: you will need sudo to remove those files. delete only within /usr/local
[12:51] <Pyrobob> looking in it with Konqueror
[12:51] <Pyrobob> and its telling me "no such device" with the konsole
[12:51] <Pyrobob> terminal*
[12:51] <frank23> Pyrobob: cd /usr/local
[12:51] <Pyrobob> should I do it as root, then?
[12:52] <Pyrobob> oh there it goes
[12:52] <frank23> Pyrobob: only root can delete yeah
[12:52] <Pyrobob> sry put urs  lol
[12:55] <Pyrobob> there's stuff like "uninstaller" and "wcmd" in /usr/local/bin
[12:55] <Pyrobob> I haven't got a clue what their to
[12:55] <Pyrobob> should I delete them? or no
[12:56] <frank23> Pyrobob: try and see if they are related to winex
[12:57] <frank23> Pyrobob: run wcmd to see what it does
[12:57] <souldaddy> so a sort of side question.... whats different from kubuntu vs like redhat?  or suse?  or any of the others?
[12:58] <frank23> souldaddy: kubuntu is based on debian. it uses the same package management as debian: apt.   redhat and suse both use rpm
[12:58] <souldaddy> ah
[12:59] <frank23> souldaddy: kubuntu has a fixed 6 months release cycle so programs are always relatively recent
[01:00] <Pyrobob> frank23: well, when I deleted them, none of the wine programs worked. which is good
[01:00] <Pyrobob> frank23: so, ima re-install wine and see if it will finally want to work right
[01:01] <Dasnipa`> cedega > wine
[01:01] <Pyrobob> would crossover office run without wine?
[01:01] <bjeff> I have trouble with my network and internet connection. seems kubuntu forgets or cannot set default gateway to 10.0.0.1, and this is really annoying. Help!
[01:01] <Pyrobob> or is it based to run on wine?
[01:01] <frank23> Pyrobob: You can get the latest wine using the wine deb repository
[01:01] <Pyrobob> isn'
[01:01] <frank23> Pyrobob: yes crossover office runs without wine.
[01:01] <Pyrobob> t
[01:01] <Pyrobob> that wine 0.9.8?
[01:02] <Dasnipa`> im excited for wine to come out with a 1.0
[01:02] <frank23> Pyrobob: crossover is based on wine but it all sefl-contained
[01:02] <Pyrobob> ah
[01:02] <Pyrobob> because that was working fine, and I was wondering why photoshop ran fine but wine wouldn't
[01:03] <bjeff> arg
[01:03] <frank23> Pyrobob: Wine 0.9.10 is the latest
[01:03] <Pyrobob> oh because I had a tarball of 9.8
[01:03] <Pyrobob> 0.9.8*
[01:03] <frank23> Pyrobob: crossover automatically handles all the special tweaks wine needs for different programs
[01:04] <Pyrobob> I see
[01:05] <frank23> Pyrobob: deb line for the latest wine:   deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[01:05] <souldaddy> frank23: thanks =p
[01:06] <frank23> souldaddy: np
[01:06] <Pyrobob> already got wine installed
[01:06] <Pyrobob> and its not giving me the gay error message!
[01:07] <Pyrobob> n.n
[01:07] <frank23> Pyrobob: what do you mean? used to be an error message?
[01:07] <Pyrobob> yeah
[01:07] <Pyrobob> lemme find it...
[01:07] <Pyrobob> had it pasted somewhere
[01:08] <frank23> Pyrobob: probably because the wine in /usr/local/bin is run before the one in /usr/bin
[01:08] <Pyrobob> probably had somthing to do with winex
[01:08] <Pyrobob> and cvswinex
[01:08] <Pyrobob> because cvswinex worked before I started screwing with it
[01:08] <Pyrobob> to get rid of it
[01:09] <Pyrobob> and that screwed up winex
[01:09] <Pyrobob> and winex screwed up wine... so yeah. there was an error message
[01:09] <Pyrobob> a few, ratehr
[01:09] <Pyrobob> rather* lol
[01:09] <Pyrobob> couldn't even do a proper "make uninstall" for winex
[01:09] <Pyrobob> would get error messages for that
[01:10] <ompaul> !enter
[01:10] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[01:10] <frank23> Pyrobob: yeah...  anyways always try to install with apt or from a .deb.  If you need to compile, use checkinstall instead of make install
[01:11] <Pyrobob> frank23: sure thing! had to put up with the crap for too long. might as well not start with it, right?
[01:11] <Pyrobob> lol
[01:14] <frank23> gotta go.
[01:16] <Pyrobob> where can I get the mozilla activeX plugin?
[01:16] <Pyrobob> I tried installing GunZ with Wine and it asks for it
[02:26] <ubuntu> !Question   I'm new here,,,  what I'm I to expect here?!
[02:26] <ubotu> ubuntu: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:37] <Mortalman> Just downloaded kubuntu 5 DVD via bittorrent, popped it in.  Did the integrity check. All seems good, but it fails at "loading installer files" or something to that extent.  Any ideas?
[02:42] <Yonah|newbie> I'm wondering if there is a messenger that can be used with the K environment that allows webcam and audio chat?
[02:42] <Yonah|newbie> Anyone have any idea?
[02:42] <Yonah|newbie> I'm VERY new to Linux altogether, and especially new to Kubuntu. ;)
[02:42] <Mortalman> Good question. No idea. lol
[02:42] <Mortalman> Let me know if you find one.
[02:42] <Yonah|newbie> I'm trying to break away from Windows, but it's hard 'cause I use Yahoo Messenger with Voice Chat all the time....
[02:43] <Yonah|newbie> No doubt... I'll be looking. ;)
[02:43] <Yonah|newbie> if Yahoo has a suitable program for Linux, I don't know how to install it....
[02:43] <Yonah|newbie> lol
[02:43] <Yonah|newbie> I don't know how to install ANYTHING. ;)
[02:44] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: kopete supports webcams at least for msn, not sure about yahoo
[02:44] <Yonah|newbie> I guess I'm supposed to open an X Window and type in something with "sudo..."
[02:44] <Mortalman> gaim is working on it.  Should be in their next release.
[02:44] <Yonah|newbie> I haven't seen the option on kopete.
[02:44] <Yonah|newbie> and i've received alerts from friends on msn who wanted to chat with cam, and nothing came through.
[02:44] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: what version of kopete?
[02:45] <Yonah|newbie> i did the most recent update.
[02:45] <Yonah|newbie> let me check
[02:45] <Mortalman> arrinmurr: ubuntu vs. kubuntu.  Are they about the same as far is visualy stimulation? lol
[02:46] <_slash> hey guys
[02:46] <Yonah|newbie> It's 0.10.4
[02:46] <_slash> i have a question
[02:46] <Yonah|newbie> I assume that's the most up-to-date, right?
[02:46] <Yonah|newbie> hey, slash... i'm NOT the person to ask. ;)
[02:46] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: ok, you'll need KDE 3.5.1 http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[02:46] <_slash> i'm actually using kde for kubuntu..
[02:46] <Yonah|newbie> oh
[02:47] <Yonah|newbie> arrinmurr... i don't know how to INSTALL anything. ;)
[02:47] <_slash> yesterday I downloaded gnome and some other stuff
[02:47] <_slash> but now, my desktop is gnome/gdm
[02:47] <_slash> how do I change it back to kde?
[02:47] <Yonah|newbie> ??
[02:47] <Yonah|newbie> I don't even know how to log in as root. ;)
[02:47] <Yonah|newbie> lol
[02:47] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: well that's not difficult
[02:48] <Yonah|newbie> how do i do it?
[02:48] <arrinmurr> Mortalman: err... i don't know. i haven't used gnome for a while ;)
[02:49] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: press alt + f2 , type "kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:49] <Yonah|newbie> I have the Konsole Shell (X Window?).
[02:49] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: press alt + f2 , type "kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:49] <Mortalman> screenshot URLs for both?
[02:49] <Yonah|newbie> what is that, arrinmurr?
[02:50] <arrinmurr> Mortalman: just look for screenshots of gnome and kde ;)
[02:51] <arrinmurr> Mortalman: both of them can look pretty much just like you want them
[02:51] <arrinmurr> Mortalman: see http://lynucs.org/?gnome and http://lynucs.org/?kde
[02:51] <Mortalman> k
[02:51] <Yonah|newbie> arrinmurr: what is that file "sources.list" that you had me open?
[02:51] <Yonah|newbie> wb, slash
[02:51] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: you have it open?
[02:51] <Yonah|newbie> yes
[02:52] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: there's all the package repositories - there you can define where ubuntu gets it packages (programs)
[02:52] <Yonah|newbie> hell if that doesn't just confuse me. ;)
[02:52] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: and now you're going to add KDE 3.5.1 there
[02:53] <Yonah|newbie> how do i do that?
[02:53] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: were you asked for a password?
[02:53] <Yonah|newbie> no
[02:53] <Yonah|newbie> in fact, most of it says "restricted"
[02:53] <Yonah|newbie> " deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted "
[02:53] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: then do it again the way i said later, corrected
[02:54] <Yonah|newbie> ... oh
[02:54] <Yonah|newbie> i didn't see the corrected version.
[02:54] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: press alt + f2 , type "kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:55] <Yonah|newbie> same
[02:55] <oxez> Okay, I'm running ubuntu, now I installed 'kubuntu-desktop'. Everything went fine, I configured my desktop. There is one thing: mounted partitions don't show up on desktop. They're also not in konki when I type 'media:/' in the address bar. Do I need to configure something else to get those things to work properly? (For the mounted drives on the desktop, I already checked the option, still doesnt work)
[02:55] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: i said it first without "kdesu". with kdesu you should have been asked for a password, but if you weren't, let's just continue then
[02:56] <Yonah|newbie> lol - no request...
[02:56] <oxez> (sorry) :/
[02:56] <Yonah|newbie> oxez: welcome back
[02:56] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: but you did do it with kdesu?
[02:56] <Yonah|newbie> yes
[02:56] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: ok. good.
[02:57] <Yonah|newbie> i ented 'kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list' in the run command window.
[02:57] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: ok
[02:58] <Yonah|newbie> entered*
[02:58] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: hmm.. wait a moment
[03:00] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: you can delete everything that's in there, and put this there instead http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/611717
[03:00] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: i mean, the text you can find there :)
[03:00] <Yonah|newbie> of course
[03:00] <Yonah|newbie> lol
[03:01] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: and then save the file
[03:01] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: and you had already updated your system somehow, right?
[03:01] <Yonah|newbie> what will that do?
[03:01] <Yonah|newbie> yes
[03:02] <Yonah|newbie> I saved the file with the pasted text
[03:02] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: good. that will add the necessary package sources for KDE 3.5.1 - and also some other stuff
[03:03] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: actually, to be on the safe side, open that text file again the same way you did before
[03:03] <Yonah|newbie> ok, i'm opening it.
[03:03] <Yonah|newbie> it's open.
[03:03] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: and put # in front of the last two deb-lines
[03:03] <Yonah|newbie> andre__: welcome
[03:04] <Yonah|newbie> __mikem: welcome
[03:04] <Yonah|newbie> ok
[03:04] <__mikem> Could someone help, I got locked out of the ubuntu chanel, on account of some guy is using some exploit over there
[03:04] <Yonah|newbie> even though the next-to-last one is the KDE 3.5.1?
[03:04] <__mikem> oh, hey Yonah
[03:04] <Yonah|newbie> do i need to reboot in order for anything to change?
[03:05] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: then save, and update your system again. after that reboot. then open up the file again, and take # away from the last two deb-lines. then save, and update your system again. then reboot, and you should be in KDE 3.5.1 with the latest Kopete :)
[03:05] <Yonah|newbie> good grief!
[03:05] <Yonah|newbie> i don't even remember how to update... lol
[03:06] <Yonah|newbie> wasn't it... sudo apt-get update ??
[03:06] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: first sudo apt-get update , then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:06] <Yonah|newbie> doesn't that take like an hour?
[03:06] <Yonah|newbie> lol
[03:07] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: depends on your internet connection of course
[03:07] <Yonah|newbie> cable
[03:07] <Yonah|newbie> i'm doing the update now
[03:07] <Yonah|newbie> it's just the upgrade that seems to take forever
[03:08] <Yonah|newbie> the update is damn-near done
[03:08] <Yonah|newbie> ok, now that the update is done, i go back to the file and take away those two #'s that I put in?
[03:08] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: did you run dist-upgrade already?
[03:09] <Yonah|newbie> not yet ;)
[03:09] <oxez> any1 have an idea?
[03:09] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: sudo apt-get update only updates the list of new available versions programs. dist-upgrade installs them
[03:10] <arrinmurr> Yonah|newbie: so with update, you didn't really do much yet ;)
[03:12] <Yonah|newbie> arrinmurr: do i need to leave the #'s until after i do the upgrade?
[03:12] <__mikem> hey arrinmurr some guy has discovered an exploit in the irc server and managed to lock me and several other people out of the ubuntu chanel, I know this to be the case because I saw it happen to several other people before it happened to me
[03:12] <Yonah|newbie> dist-upgrade*
[03:12] <__mikem> do you know how I would go about getting back in
[03:12] <Yonah|ignorant> arrinmurr: I have it ready with the dist-upgrade command typed in, ready to hit Enter. Should I hit it?
[03:12] <Yonah|ignorant> nevermind... you said "reboot"
[03:12] <Yonah|ignorant> i'll be right back
[03:13] <Kaiser_Away> netsplit
[03:13] <__mikem> Thats persicely how I got locked out of the other chat room
[03:14] <Kaiser_Away> which one?
[03:14] <__mikem> ubuntu
[03:14] <__mikem> some guy is using some exploit
[03:14] <__mikem> involving DCC SEND
[03:14] <__mikem> now every time I try to join, it says the chanel is invite only
[03:15] <Kaiser_Away> yeh. /msg amaranth and ask him to invite you in
[03:16] <__mikem> ok, I PMed him
[03:16] <__mikem> the problem is, hes not in here
[03:17] <Kaiser_Away> no, he's in #ubuntu
[03:17] <KaoticEvil> hey Kaiser_Away :)
[03:17] <__mikem> then how do I pm him im if I am in here
[03:17] <Kaiser_Away> hi KaoticEvil
[03:17] <Snake__> hey Kaiser_Away
[03:17] <Kaiser_Away> __mikem: he just lifted the  invite only
[03:17] <__mikem> ok
[03:18] <Snake__> __mikem: you can PM anyone on the network anywhere
[03:18] <__mikem> OK
[03:18] <Snake__> ...
[03:18] <__mikem> what was
[03:18] <__mikem> that CTCP thing
[03:20] <KaoticEvil> hey Kaiser_Away... whats your opinion... im rebuilding my kernel... should i go with the vanilla sources or the ubuntu sources?
[03:21] <Snake__> vanilla sounds good...mmmm
[03:21] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: ubuntu sources if possible
[03:21] <KaoticEvil> lol Snake__
[03:21] <feens> does compiz-kde + xgl work in dapper?
[03:21] <KaoticEvil> Kaiser_Away: any particular reason? (other than the fact that it's an official ubuntu package?)
[03:21] <KaoticEvil> shouldnt it be the same sources?
[03:22] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: there will be some patches the ubuntu people apply to make it integrate etter
[03:22] <KaoticEvil> ah, ok
[03:22] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: you need to use compiz-gnome (gnome-window-decorator)
[03:22] <Kaiser_Away> i think slackware and LFS are the only distros with vanila kernels
[03:23] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: hmm...what's the compiz-kde package then?
[03:23] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: it's the package that brings kde-window-decorator, which doens't work ;)
[03:24] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: ...yet, anyway
[03:24] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: ah, I see...guess I'll just have to wait
[03:24] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: well, i'm running xgl+compiz fine with gnome-window-decorator
[03:25] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: don't I lose my kde windecs then?
[03:25] <enfact> yeah it wont work with kde
[03:25] <enfact> already tried :)
[03:25] <enfact> but i installed xgl for gnome, then installed kubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <__mikem> !xgl
[03:26] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[03:26] <__mikem> ubotu good bot
[03:26] <ubotu> thanks __mikem :)
[03:26] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: well yeah, but it does work under kde
[03:27] <Snake__> Ugh why are people so stupid... "i just watched doom 3 it was a great movie" ... 1) Doom sucked. 2) There is no "Doom 3" movie
[03:27] <Snake__> gahh
[03:27] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: how much work to setup xgl/comiz-gnome/gnome-window-manager on KDE?
[03:28] <__mikem> ubotu lart Snake__
[03:28] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: not much
[03:28] <jesusfish> hmm....tempting....
[03:28] <__mikem> !lart jesusfish
[03:28] <Snake__> !ubotu
[03:28] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[03:29] <Snake__> aka __mikem , stop
[03:29] <jesusfish> guess I should upgrade to dapper first
[03:29] <__mikem> lol ok
[03:29] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: compiz-gnome has quite a lot of gnome-dependencies though. but i wrote them down and i'll just remove them along with compiz-gnome when compiz-kde starts working ;)
[03:29] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: ya, I figured that much
[03:31] <jesusfish> lets see how bad upgrading to dapper is
[03:31] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: you'll face less problems with a clean install, probably
[03:32] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: more than likely
[03:32] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: but then I have to worry about backing stuff up
[03:33] <jesusfish> hmm....interesting....apparently I lose KDE then
[03:34] <KaoticEvil> is it better to statically build options into the kernel or build them as modules?
[03:35] <Kaiser_Away> depends what it is
[03:35] <__mikem> How in gods name was I banned from debian-bots I haven't even been there in a while
[03:35] <Kaiser_Away> most stuff modules is best (vido driver for example)
[03:35] <__mikem> brb
[03:36] <KaoticEvil> so that if/when you change your video card, you can just remove the old module, compile a new one, and plug it into the kernel, right?
[03:36] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: or tehres a module update
[03:36] <Kaiser_Away> but that's basicly the idea, yes
[03:36] <KaoticEvil> ok
[03:36] <Kaiser_Away> the other option is recompile your kernel every time you want to change something :)
[03:36] <KaoticEvil> well, i wont be changing the video card in this computer *ever* again
[03:36] <Kaiser_Away> which is fine on a server, but not a desktop
[03:37] <KaoticEvil> in fact, the only thing im going to do to this system is change out the CDROM for a DVD/CDRW combo drive
[03:37] <KaoticEvil> and thats gonna be tuesday, probably
[03:37] <Kaiser_Away> do vidoe as a module, most other stuff can be static in/out
[03:38] <KaoticEvil> in fact, once i get that drive in here, i'll probably just backup my ~ dir and reinstall.
[03:38] <Kaiser_Away> and if you do vid as a module, *mae sure you alow loadable modules in the kernel*
[03:38] <KaoticEvil> i want to change my partitioning around... and the last time i did it while it was running, it was a SERIOUS pain
[03:39] <Kaiser_Away> i konow what it's like, i went througt that when i dropped my 300~ gig of NTFS (over 15~ partitons) to go 100% ext3
[03:40] <Kaiser_Away> (over 4 partitions)
[03:40] <KaoticEvil> exactly
[03:41] <KaoticEvil> well, right now, ive got / and /home/kao/data
[03:41] <Kaiser_Away> i share your pain brother :)
[03:41] <KaoticEvil> and a swapspace.
[03:41] <KaoticEvil> i want /, /home, /boot and swap
[03:41] <jesusfish> hmmm...why would KDE be removed on a dist-upgrade from breezy->dapper?
[03:41] <KaoticEvil> and maybe /usr as well
[03:41] <Kaiser_Away> jesusfish: what part of KDE?
[03:41] <jesusfish> Kaiser_Away: ah, most of it
[03:42] <Kaiser_Away> KaoticEvil: don't bother with /usr
[03:42] <Kaiser_Away> jesusfish: do you have Kubuntu-desktop installed?
[03:42] <jesusfish> Kaiser_Away: not sure, it's been a while
[03:42] <Kaiser_Away> jesusfish: make sure it's installed, then try the upgrade again
[03:43] <jesusfish> ah, screw it...I'll get it all sorted out
[03:43] <jesusfish> lol
[03:44] <Kaiser_Away> o_0 wha?
[03:44] <jesusfish> what version of alsa is in dapper?
[03:45] <jesusfish> hmm, guess I could just browse the repository
[03:45] <Kaiser_Away> alsa utils 1.0.10
[03:45] <jesusfish> ah, 714KB/s
[03:45] <Kaiser_Away> :/
[03:47] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: doing a dist-upgrade now?
[03:47] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: yup
[03:47] <arrinmurr> jesusfish: good luck :)
[03:47] <jesusfish> arrinmurr: we'll see what kind of state it leaves me in
[03:48] <Kaiser_Away> jesusfish: if you needed kuubuntu-desktop and don't have it, i give you no sympaty :)
[03:48] <jesusfish> Kaiser_Away: I can just install it after
[03:48] <Kaiser_Away> i recoment before, but your call ;)
[03:49] <jesusfish> Kaiser_Away: if I lose KDE for period of time it won't be the end of the word
[03:49] <jesusfish> world*
[03:49] <Kaiser_Away> jesusfish: some of us live our lives without it :)
[03:49] <jesusfish> I have my Mac if I don't feel like fixing it right away
 i hav vim
[03:50] <jesusfish> hehe
[03:51] <Kaiser_Away> bbl. doing stuff :)
[03:56] <_bernard> Good nite, this is my first try on an irc. I wish to seek support for a problem on my Acer Travelmate 2201 LCi that runs very hot. and the acpi seems not to work.
[03:57] <Kaiser_Away> _bernard:  try asking in #ubuntu-laptop if you have no luck here. bbl
[03:58] <_bernard> Thx. Since I am totally new to irc, I hve to add the #ubuntu-laptop to the list?
[03:59] <arrinmurr> _bernard: just try to click on it
[04:02] <_bernard> Thx arrinmurr for the info. Iwill try
[04:03] <mart> anyone know enough spanish to know what "cafe en grano" is?
[04:05] <Yonah|back> arrinmurr: So, I think I have the latest version now.... I did an update through Synaptic...
[04:06] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: what's your kopete version now then?
[04:06] <Yonah|back> But, it is still version 0.11.1 (rather, than 0.10.4).
[04:06] <Yonah|back> That's the most recent one it will update to.
[04:06] <Yonah|back> I had to go through hell to get it to update that! LOL
[04:06] <Yonah|back> And I don't see an option for webcam, still.
[04:06] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: that's the latest i think
[04:07] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: it should be in the preferences window
[04:07] <Yonah|back> i don't see a preferences window either.
[04:07] <Yonah|back> arrinmurr: sorry i'm so dense
[04:07] <Yonah|back> i'm VERY new to linux ;)
[04:08] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: settings -> preferences or something? but if your webcam is plugged in, you should unplug it before opening that
[04:08] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: or settings -> configure kopete. i don't quite remember what it is
[04:09] <Yonah|back> I found it
[04:09] <Yonah|back> It uses the old NetMeeting program that was on older versions of MSN.
[04:09] <Yonah|back> I don't know if it will be compatible.
[04:10] <Yonah|back> configure plugins
[04:11] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: err.. so did you get a screen where you should see your webca image?
[04:12] <Yonah|back> not yet
[04:12] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: did you look in settings -> configure kopete.. or something?
[04:13] <Yonah|back> actually, the damn machine is not even picking up my webcam.
[04:14] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: what is your webcam exactly?
[04:14] <Yonah|back> veo stingray
[04:15] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: hmm.. i think it should work
[04:17] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: however, the webcam drivers are broken in ubuntu (unless they've been just fixed). you should follow this howto to fix them http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=407656&postcount=1
[04:17] <Yonah|back> LOL - nothing comes easily with Linux!
[04:17] <KaoticEvil> well hell.
[04:17] <crrj> Ah, but the satisfaction when you figure out what it is doing / not doing, and have a better understanding of the system.
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> i cant even find the ndiswrapper option on this kernel source. i cant use it then.
[04:18] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: well, you just have to copy & paste those lines, and after that all the webcams in this list http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html should work - can you do that as easily in windows? :)
[04:18] <Yonah|back> same file?
[04:19] <Yonah|back> nope... in the x window, i guess.
[04:19] <_bernard> I was there 20 mins ago, seeking assistance about my acer laptop running abnormally hot. Someone suggested #ubuntu-laptop. Nobody replied to my query there.
[04:19] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: err.. yeah, in a terminal window
[04:21] <_bernard> mart "cafe en grano" means coffe beans
[04:22] <mart> _bernard: thanks, google said "grains" and that didn't really help distinguish between beans and ground coffee :(
[04:23] <_bernard> Sorry mart I could not help u
[04:23] <crrj> Ground coffee works better for brewing, whole beans are better covered in chocolate ;D
[04:23] <mart> _bernard: no, you have :)
[04:23] <mart> yeah, I want beans - but fancy some torrefacto, which I don't seem to be able to buy here.
[04:24] <_bernard> mart , Do u know how I can get help about my acer travelmate 2201 lci running too hot?
[04:24] <crrj> it could be a physical problem with the fan
[04:24] <mart> _bernard: what' sort of cpu does it have?
[04:25] <crrj> or does it work properly in other OSes?
[04:25] <_bernard> crrj, the unit runs very cool under windows. It has 2 fans, and they cycle according to the temp correctly
[04:25] <Yonah|back> arrinmurr: there is a line there that appears to have no command ('tar xvfz spca5xx...')
[04:26] <mart> _bernard: what kind of cpu? grep model.name /proc/cpuinfo
[04:26] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: what do you mean?
[04:26] <Yonah|back> nevermind... it's going
[04:27] <arrinmurr> Yonah|back: tar is a command :)
[04:27] <_bernard> mart, I have an intel Celeron D330 processor at 2.66Ghz
[04:28] <mart> _bernard: the cpudyn and powernowd packages can be used to slow your processor when it isn't doing much, but I don't know which to use for that
[04:29] <mart> _bernard: I guess powernowd would work - since that supports most things.
[04:31] <Pyrobob> I got a question about steam
[04:31] <Pyrobob> I installed it with Crossover Office
[04:31] <Pyrobob> and it works fine until I login
[04:32] <Pyrobob> it takes me to an "update" window
[04:32] <Pyrobob> or somthing like that. says cancel at the bottom right
[04:32] <Pyrobob> but it freezes there
[04:32] <Pyrobob> doesn't even show text
[04:33] <Pyrobob> any ideas?
[04:33] <_bernard> mart, How do i check to see if powernowd is installed or running
[04:34] <mart> _bernard: installed? dpkg -l pownernowd
[04:34] <mart> _bernard: what does that say?
[04:35] <mart> _bernard: you should also check that you have a directory called something like /proc/acpi/throttling
[04:36] <_bernard> mart it says ii powernowd 0.96-2ubuntu1...
[04:39] <mart> _bernard: ok, so it's installed ...
[04:39] <_bernard> mart, you seem to be very busy. I appreciate your help. I will do some research on powernowd. Have a good nite
[04:40] <_bernard> Mart, yu r still there. ok
[04:40] <mart> _bernard: you can check if it's running using ps aux |grep powernow
[04:40] <oxez> hi, I installed the amarok kubuntu package version 1.4beta2, and now my songs starts a bit too fast (The first second is played in .5 second). Is there a way to fix that?
[04:42] <Pyrobob> and I take it no one has an answer to my question...
[04:44] <_bernard> mart , it is embarassing that i cannot give the command correctly apparently
[04:44] <mart> _bernard: try ps -C powernowd
[04:45] <mart> _bernard: if you get more than line of output, then it's running already
[04:47] <_bernard> mart, to ps -C I got one line of reply
[04:47] <mart> _bernard: this ?"  PID TTY          TIME CMD"
[04:47] <mart> nothing else?
[04:48] <_bernard> mart I got exactly that nothing else
[04:48] <mart> _bernard: you can copy and paste from the terminal?
[04:49] <_bernard> mart, yes i can. But I read an hour ago it was not welcome here. I do not want to offend anyone
[04:50] <mart> _bernard: one or two lines is normally fine
[04:50] <mart> hmmm
[04:50] <_bernard> bernard@ubuntu:~$ ps -C powenowd
[04:50] <_bernard>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[04:51] <mart> _bernard: yeah, can you join #flood ? (click the name)
[04:52] <mart> _bernard: and paste the output of:  ls /proc/acpi
[04:53] <_bernard> mart , I did it.
[04:53] <mart> _bernard: this is on the laptop, right?
[04:54] <_bernard> mart , yes this is the laptop in question
[04:55] <_bernard> mart I checked the content of thermal_zone and it was empty
[04:59] <mart> _bernard: well, you may be able to persuade your fan to be a bit more proactive...
[04:59] <mart> _bernard: ah, try this
[04:59] <_bernard> mart. I sent you the result of ls /proc/acpi/thermal_zone
[04:59] <mart> cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling
[05:02] <_bernard> mart, the answer was "not supported"
[05:03] <mart> _bernard: oh.  that doesn't sound good.
[05:03] <_bernard> mart, point me to some documentation I will gladly read and try to fix it
[05:04] <_bernard> Mart, my email is bcelestin@direcway.com
[05:04] <mart> _bernard:  www.google.com  -  sorry, I really can't think of a better way to start
[05:05] <_bernard> mart, thx very much for help. Have a good nite
[05:06] <mart> _bernard: thanks, sorry I can't be of any help - I struggled enough with my own laptop, and I've been using linux for over 10 years :(
[05:06] <Red_Herring> kubuntu for laptops ROCKS
[05:06] <mart> Red_Herring: not when it doesn't work...
[05:06] <Red_Herring> true
[05:07] <_bernard> mart thx for your patience. I will try to find some info on the net. Thx a million
[05:26] <Arcanimus> night all
[05:26] <Red_Herring> nite
[06:34] <pussfeller> kmymoney2 depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.0.60); however
[06:34] <pussfeller> whats that mean
[06:35] <pussfeller> i got kde 3.5
[06:35] <pussfeller> i think thats a deb deb, not a kubuntu deb
[06:36] <Kaiser_Away> it means it cant resolv dependanices for the deb
[06:36] <frank23> pussfeller: did you try to install it with adept/synaptic?
[06:37] <pussfeller> kdelibs4c2 kdelibs4-dev is waht came up with kdelibs4
[06:37] <_Frank> hey
[06:37] <pussfeller> frank23: no, from dpkg, its a package from the site
[06:37] <pussfeller> not an ubuntu specific thingee
[06:38] <pussfeller> maybe ubuntu debs should be u-debs
[06:38] <pussfeller> or they could call them ubus
[06:38] <frank23> pussfeller: you can install it with adept though. the problem with your deb is that kdelib4 is named kdelibs4c2 in ubuntu
[06:38] <pussfeller> that would be even better
[06:38] <vijay> hi everyone, how to save files in /var/www, because they are under root permission??
[06:38] <_Frank> wow
[06:39] <frank23> pussfeller: this why you should prefer the ubuntu repos over everything else
[06:40] <_jonathan> hello all ....anyone up tonight
[06:40] <pussfeller> frank23: but i think the one in the repos is older
[06:40] <_jonathan> I'm trying to get my logitech keyboard volume to work
[06:40] <pussfeller> vijay: youwould have to prepend your mv commands with sudo
[06:40] <pussfeller> or start konqy as sodo
[06:40] <_jonathan> i remember there was a spot I could go to specify what keyboard it was but i don't remember where
[06:41] <pussfeller> err sudo
[06:41] <frank23> pussfeller: yeah. packages are frozen at a release. dapper will have a newer version. if you absolutely want the newest version, the best way is to compile it from source
[06:41] <frank23> _jonathan: in system settings?
[06:42] <_jonathan> yeah, i tried that
[06:42] <_jonathan> but there is no spot
[06:42] <frank23> _jonathan: regional and accessibility->keyboard layouts
[06:42] <_jonathan> i remember there was something that i could pick from all kinds of keyboards
[06:42] <vijay> pussfeller:ok
[06:42] <frank23> _jonathan: do you have kde 3.5? there is a bad bug with that dialog
[06:42] <_jonathan> ok, there is nothing under keyboard model
[06:42] <_jonathan> yeah i do
[06:43] <frank23> _jonathan: there is a way to fix it... just a sec
[06:43] <pussfeller> actually vijay theres a command to start konqueror as root, kdesudo is what you want, i think
[06:43] <_jonathan> thanks
[06:43] <Red_Herring> kdesu
[06:43] <Red_Herring> not sudo
[06:43] <pussfeller> yeah
[06:44] <pussfeller> the japanese sounding one
[06:44] <_jonathan> frank, i think i might have found it
[06:45] <pussfeller> cool, this might help me get my logitech elite keys owrking
[06:46] <frank23> _jonathan: I can't find it...  you have to create a link somewhere
[06:46] <_jonathan> i tried that
[06:46] <_jonathan> hmm, wonder if i will have to restart kde afterwards?
[06:47] <frank23> _jonathan: then restart system-settings. maybe even kde
[06:47] <_jonathan> ok
[06:47] <Parkotron> _jonathan: sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb
[06:47] <frank23> _jonathan: this bug is fixed in dapper I think
[06:48] <_jonathan> i'm anxious for that
[06:48] <_jonathan> however, it will be awhile before i use it ....bugs and everything
[06:49] <frank23> _jonathan: yeah. I'll try the live cd when dapper is released and if everything works well, I'll upgrade
[06:50] <patrix> I upgraded to Dapper last night
[06:50] <patrix> hit a few snags, but everything's working beautifully now :D
[06:50] <_jonathan> ...for now :-)
[06:50] <patrix> hahaha
[06:50] <pussfeller> heh
[06:50] <pussfeller> thats what i was thinking, tell me a month from now
[06:50] <_jonathan> I love it...don't get me wrong
[06:51] <_jonathan> but yeah, everytime a release hits there are bugs
[06:51] <Red_Herring> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[06:51] <_jonathan> that's honestly when the real testing begins
[06:51] <patrix> of course _jonathan
[06:51] <_jonathan> but kudos to you for living on the edge :)
[06:51] <patrix> but I've bene using linux for 10 years almost, s I Can get over any snag I'll encounter ;)
[06:51] <frank23> _jonathan: does the keyboard selection work?  although dapper will be more polished supposedly. They will most likely delay the release until June 1st
[06:51] <_jonathan> I'm glad your not on my pc saying that...
[06:52] <_jonathan> patrix...a statement like that spells eminent trouble :)
[06:52] <patrix> I welcome it! ;)
[06:52] <pussfeller> im getting tired of breaking stuff :(
[06:52] <_jonathan> frank, i think i may have to restart kde
[06:52] <pussfeller> too old
[06:52] <_jonathan> brb
[06:53] <pussfeller> why doesn't sound work in the macromedia flash player in firefox
[06:53] <pussfeller> am i using the wrong plugin
[06:54] <pussfeller> i have teh macromedia one
[06:54] <frank23> pussfeller: some people have that problem. check the forums. I don't know the solution
[06:54] <pussfeller> ok
[06:54] <frank23> pussfeller: you installed with apt?
[06:54] <pussfeller> yeah
[06:54] <pussfeller> no...
[06:54] <pussfeller> i didnt
[06:54] <pussfeller> i got it from the macromedia site
[06:54] <_jonathan> no, layouts are still not there
[06:54] <pussfeller> i think....
[06:55] <pussfeller> you might have to restart kdm
[06:55] <frank23> pussfeller: or with adept or whatever? oh. check if flashplayer-mozilla is installed.
[06:55] <frank23> _jonathan: yeah maybe you have to restart X
[06:56] <pussfeller> no, i didnt have that one installed
[06:56] <_jonathan> there is a patch but i have no idea how to install it
[06:57] <frank23> _jonathan: that link sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb worked for me
[06:57] <pussfeller> kdm will load many libraries for kde, so i imagine you should try restarting kdm
[06:57] <_jonathan> crtl+alt+bksp does all that right..?
[06:58] <patrix> nope
[06:58] <frank23> _jonathan: hit ctrl-alt-backspace or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:58] <patrix> you ahve to use the rc script (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart   from a console login)
[06:58] <_jonathan> ok
[06:58] <patrix> ctrl alt backspace   doesn't restart everything
[06:58] <frank23> patrix: it doesn't? I thought it did
[06:58] <patrix> nope
[06:58] <pussfeller> it would if kdm weren't running
[06:58] <_jonathan> yaa...i'm not the only dumb one
[06:59] <_jonathan> jk frankj
[06:59] <pussfeller> well, it would kill something anyways
[06:59] <patrix> of course
[06:59] <patrix> haha
[06:59] <patrix> he did it without logging off first ;)
[06:59] <pussfeller> brb
[07:05] <patrix> wb _jonathan
[07:05] <_jonathan> thanks
[07:05] <_jonathan> how would i install a .debdiff
[07:06] <Hobbsee> _jonathan: you dont.  why?
[07:06] <_jonathan> well there is a apparant patch that can be used
[07:06] <patrix> you have to rebuild the .deb
[07:06] <_jonathan> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/31165
[07:06] <patrix> what's the bug anyway?
[07:06] <patrix> I missed hte whole beginning of this
[07:07] <_jonathan> i do not have keyboard layouts
[07:07] <patrix> oh ok
[07:07] <patrix> weird
[07:07] <Hobbsee> _jonathan: i think you wait for the package to be updated in ubuntu
[07:08] <Hobbsee> in fact, i think it has already been updated
[07:08] <_jonathan> ok
[07:08] <Hobbsee> if it's marked as fix committed
[07:09] <_jonathan> well, i must have it then
[07:09] <_jonathan> i checked for updates with synaptic and got nothing
[07:10] <frank23> _jonathan: its fixed in dapper but not in breezy
[07:11] <Hobbsee> oh, you're on breezy..
[07:11] <Mortalman> Anyone know why both the ubuntu DVD and the kubuntu DVD fail on install or Live cd boot with the message "failed to load installer components"   ??
[07:11] <_jonathan> ok, what would the command be again
[07:12] <frank23> sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb  that? did you do it yet?
[07:13] <_jonathan> there i think it took that time
[07:13] <_jonathan> i don't know what happened i did it once
[07:14] <frank23> _jonathan: check if the link is there    ls -l /usr/share/X11
[07:14] <_jonathan> yeah
[07:14] <_jonathan> it is working now...again, i don't know what happened
[07:15] <_jonathan> thank you all for your efforts
[07:15] <frank23> _jonathan: good ;)
[07:15] <_jonathan> good night all, thanks again :-)
[07:16] <leafw> 4 hours to compile GCC
[07:16] <leafw> we love the dapper delay.
[07:24] <leafw> and the gcj doesn't compile!
[07:24] <leafw> it freezes
[07:28] <Mortalman> sorry if repeating too soon.
[07:28] <Mortalman> Anyone know why both the ubuntu DVD and the kubuntu DVD fail with the message "failed to load installer components from CD" when trying to boot live or install ??
[07:28] <leafw> Mortalman: Dapper ?
[07:28] <Mortalman> What's a Dapper?
[07:28] <kuzmaster> hey
[07:29] <leafw> Mortalman: where did you got the CD from ?
[07:29] <leafw> did you burn it yourself?
[07:29] <Mortalman> leafw: bittorrent link from the kubuntu and ubuntu site.  Both DVDs give same error.
[07:29] <Mortalman> yes, burned myself.
[07:29] <leafw> Mortalman: are they for x86 or powerpc or AMD ?
[07:30] <Mortalman> leafw: x86
[07:30] <leafw> do you have the right one for your chip?
[07:30] <Mortalman> lol, yes
[07:30] <leafw> xD
[07:30] <leafw> "Dapper" is the code name of the next release
[07:30] <leafw> the current is "breezy"
[07:30] <Mortalman> it boots fine and failes part way through the menu part after I select languages and whatnot.
[07:31] <leafw> oh. ok
[07:31] <leafw> so file a bug report
[07:31] <Mortalman> Good idea, but that doesn't get it installed. lol
[07:31] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: did you checksum that dvd?
[07:31] <kuzmaster> can somebody tell me how to prevent kubuntu 5.10 from going straight into text mode when i log in?
[07:31] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: yes
[07:32] <kuzmaster> how?
[07:32] <leafw> kuzmaster: where do you log in ?
[07:32] <leafw> is a neat floating window ?
[07:32] <kuzmaster> in the text mode
[07:32] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: My buddy burned a copy on his computer and it does the same thing.
[07:32] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: ubuntuforums > search runlevel
[07:32] <leafw> you are logging in in a tty ?
[07:32] <kuzmaster> ?????
[07:33] <kuzmaster> i thinks so
[07:33] <kuzmaster> i think so***
[07:33] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: hmm
[07:33] <leafw> by default kdm should be used
[07:33] <kuzmaster> so is there a way to prevent it
[07:34] <PokerFacePenguin> kuzmaster: your runlevel is set wrong....not sure off the top of my head how to fix..but that is probably easy to find in forums
[07:34] <leafw> type sudo init to find out your run level
[07:34] <kuzmaster> ok
[07:34] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: same kind of machine?
[07:34] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: yep
[07:34] <pussfeller> ''
[07:35] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: same motherboard 2 disks do the same thing on both.
[07:35] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: dapper or breezy?
[07:35] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: let me check.
[07:36] <Mortalman> breezy
[07:36] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: hmm, breezy is pretty mature...how new is your pc?
[07:36] <Mortalman> P4, 2.4ghz.  Not old.
[07:37] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: a regular OEM pc or a home built one?
[07:38] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: HP Compaq D530 SFF
[07:38] <Mortalman> Massivly produced bussines pc.
[07:38] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: have you googled for forums for that particular model yet?
[07:39] <Mortalman> kubuntu forums or forums in general?
[07:39] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: google THE forums...getting late here
[07:39] <Mortalman> havn't, but can.  Never occured to me.
[07:39] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: the ubuntu/kubuntu forums
[07:40] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: they are awesome for problems
[07:40] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: Thanks, I'l look through the forums for my pc model.
[07:40] <PokerFacePenguin> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[07:42] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: Only thing so far with my model is no problems at all. lol
[07:42] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: one sec...i'll see if i can find that error in the forums real quick
[07:43] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: so far i see someone who recently posted with same prob
[07:44] <Mortalman> I'm not seeing that. heh
[07:45] <Mortalman> found one, no solution
[07:46] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: hmm, have you tried burning it to a CD instead of DVD?
[07:46] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: just one thing I might try if it were me
[07:46] <Mortalman> PokerFacePenguin: Havn't tried. I figured 2 DVDs can't be bad. heh
[07:46] <Mortalman> I'll try that.
[07:47] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: im still lookin... :)  curious
[07:47] <Mortalman> Well, foudn the same error on a Mac. heh
[07:49] <Mortalman> People are having same issue with the CDs.
[07:49] <Mortalman> even ones they ordered.
[07:50] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: did you use Nero to burn it?
[07:51] <PokerFacePenguin> Mortalman: one person at this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60910&highlight=failed+load+installer+components+CD suggested that was his problem
[07:51] <Mortalman> yeah,  "Recorder"->"Burn Image"
[07:51] <Mortalman> seems like a different issue cause I did the integrity check and it was fine.
[07:53] <Mortalman> hmm, may have found something, gonna test, brb
[08:01] <Mortalman> same thing, didn't work.
[08:01] <Mortalman> It's 2am, new job at 6am.  Gotta go.
[08:05] <JThundley> is there really still no gpg 1.4.2 in the repos or am I missing something?
[08:05] <nalioth> JThundley: you are referring to the update for the exploit?
[08:05] <JThundley> yes
[08:07] <nalioth> JThundley: yes, it has been added, iirc (i remember seeing an update)
[08:09] <robotgeek> JThundley: you might need to have breezy-security enabled in your sources.list
[08:10] <JThundley> oh crap, it's commented out. doy
[08:10] <JThundley> must have done that by accident when commenting out the deb-src's, whoops
[08:11] <nalioth> ouch!
[08:12] <_mindspin> does anybody have an idea why /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten at boot? I always have to edit it the file an add the primary/local DNS IP
[08:12] <JThundley> now I'm getting an error after I apt-get dist-upgrade that it's a dupe, but it doesn't look like it is
[08:14] <robotgeek> JThundley: wht error?
[08:14] <JThundley> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:14] <JThundley> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:15] <robotgeek> JThundley: well, did you?
[08:15] <JThundley> of course
[08:15] <robotgeek> hmm, okay.
[08:16] <robotgeek> JThundley: let me paste my sources.list
[08:17] <robotgeek> JThundley: hmm, actually wont help you. i run dapper
[08:17] <robotgeek> !easysource
[08:17] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:17] <kuzmaster> hey
[08:17] <JThundley> I've checked that out before, it's cool
[08:17] <JThundley> http://pastebin.com/611970
[08:18] <kuzmaster> can sombody tell me how to prevent my kubuntu 5.10 from going straight into text mode?
[08:19] <kuzmaster> please?
[08:19] <robotgeek> JThundley: line 33 and 36 are same :)
[08:19] <kuzmaster> i know it has somthing to do with runlevel and sudo int
[08:19] <JThundley> robotgeek: I just now uncommented that since joining this channel though
[08:20] <robotgeek> JThundley: that should fix your duplicate sources.list error
[08:20] <JThundley> and 36 has universe after it
[08:20] <kuzmaster> anybody?
[08:20] <robotgeek> JThundley: ah, i am blind!
[08:20] <robotgeek> kuzmaster: sorry, no clue. maybe ask in #ubuntu
[08:20] <JThundley> kuzmaster: I'll help you out personally after I fix my problem :)
[08:20] <kuzmaster> ok
[08:23] <JThundley> kuzmaster: so I assume you're booting to runlevel 2, right?
[08:23] <JThundley> and that X and everything else works correctly, it's just not starting it up when it boots
[08:24] <kuzmaster> i dont know what my run level im booting into
[08:25] <kuzmaster> all i know is that it goes straight into text mode, and i login in text mode
[08:25] <frank23> kuzmaster: probably X is not configured well
[08:25] <frank23> kuzmaster: try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:25] <kuzmaster> it was working b4, but it just decided to go into text
[08:26] <frank23> kuzmaster: it used to work? what changed?
[08:26] <kuzmaster> it just goes into text mode
[08:26] <kuzmaster> i dont think i changed anything
[08:26] <frank23> kuzmaster: what does sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start   do?
[08:26] <JThundley> I've found that by default, my runlevels were set to start kdm first, and then set up x and do the ICE directories thing
[08:27] <JThundley> so every now and then I would boot to text mode for some reason
[08:27] <frank23> kuzmaster: what is the last system things you have changed?
[08:27] <kuzmaster>  dont no, im on a duel boot system, running windows now
[08:27] <kuzmaster> i have tried startx
[08:28] <_mindspin> what did you get from ? did x start?
[08:28] <kuzmaster> startx diddnt work
[08:28] <_mindspin> !work
[08:28] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[08:28] <frank23> kuzmaster: you probably would have better luck if you booted into kubuntu and then use irssi  to come back here
[08:28] <JThundley> well your x config is messed up then
[08:28] <_mindspin> did you get any messages
[08:29] <_mindspin> try dpkg-reconfigure x-org ( or so)
[08:29] <kuzmaster> but any way, wat should my run level be set to?
[08:30] <JThundley> 2
[08:30] <frank23> kuzmaster: it should be 2 but I'm sure it already is
[08:30] <kuzmaster> ok
[08:30] <JThundley> but you gotta get X working before you can boot to X silly :)
[08:30] <kuzmaster> ill try that
[08:30] <frank23> kuzmaster: rnu irssi  to get here in console
[08:30] <_mindspin> !x
[08:30] <ubotu> methinks x is a portable, network-transparent window system.
[08:30] <_mindspin> haha
[08:31] <kuzmaster> k, ill try it and see wat happens
[08:32] <_mindspin> anyone knows the correct name for dpkg-reconfigure xorg/x-org/xorg-conf ??
[08:32] <JThundley> !it
[08:32] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:32] <_mindspin> maybe he knows at all
[08:33] <robotgeek> _mindspin, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:38] <captainbraille> Hello, how do I find "libjack.so" for Wine to work?
[08:40] <frank23> captainbraille: how are you trying to install wine?
[08:41] <captainbraille> frank23: Well I have wine installed, I'm in "winecfg" under the Audio tab, I get this error "fixme:jack:JACK_drvLoad error loading the jack library libjack.so, please install this library to use jack"
[08:42] <nalioth> captainbraille: use apt-get to install "apt-file".  update apt-file and search for your string
[08:42] <frank23> captainbraille: install jackd with adept or apt-get
[08:43] <captainbraille> Thanks, I'll that
[08:43] <captainbraille> I'll try that*
[08:44] <kuzmaster> hey, im bak
[08:44] <kuzmaster> and it diddnt work
[08:45] <kuzmaster> and i couldnt get into irc via kubuntu
[08:45] <frank23> kuzmaster: why not?
[08:45] <kuzmaster> dont no why?
[08:45] <kuzmaster> but any way, here are my resulta
[08:45] <kuzmaster> results**
[08:46] <kuzmaster> when i typed in runlevel, it said - N 2
[08:46] <kuzmaster> thats all
[08:46] <frank23> kuzmaster: did you try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start ?
[08:46] <kuzmaster> nope
[08:47] <frank23> kuzmaster: anyways the problem is most likely xorg configuration
[08:47] <kuzmaster> and sudo int diddnt work
[08:47] <kuzmaster> it just said it couldnt find int or somthing
[08:47] <kuzmaster> brb
[08:48] <frank23> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will reconfigure xorg for you
[08:48] <frank23> what do you mean sudo int  ?
[08:48] <_mindspin> sudo init "runlevel" i guess
[08:48] <_mindspin> dpkg-reconfigure would be my guess too
[08:49] <frank23> kuzmaster: one thing to try would be to use the vesa video driver.
[08:52] <frank23> good night
[08:55] <_mindspin> nite
[08:55] <_mindspin> actually its 9 am here ;-)
[08:57] <kameron> is there anyway to get k3b to handle mdf/mds files, to burn from image?
[08:57] <nalioth> kameron: uncle google can point you to "mdf2iso"
[08:58] <kameron> nalioth, ty
[08:59] <kameron> i love irc.
[09:01] <kameron> nalioth, dang, that program works great, and quickly too.. i'm already done burning the image in k3b
[09:24] <kuzmaster> well, it has worked
[09:25] <kuzmaster> i did reconfigured x and i entered sudo init "runlevel" 2
[09:26] <simian> morning all
[09:27] <_mindspin> kuzmaster: the runlevel thing was unnecessary in my eyes
[09:27] <_mindspin> or did you go step by step?
[09:28] <PokerFacePenguin> x probably wasnt working and defaulted to text instead of him having a misconfigured inittab
[09:29] <kuzmaster> ok
[09:29] <lgc> kameron, are you available?
[09:29] <kuzmaster> well, all i know is that it is now working, and thats all that matters
[09:29] <PokerFacePenguin> good deal
[09:29] <nalioth_zZz> lgc: just ask your question
[09:30] <_mindspin> kuzmaster: it always make sense to try a step by step approach . ie. changing only one thing and testing vefore trying another
[09:30] <kameron> lgc, yes i am
[09:30] <kuzmaster> i know, but i just got sick of it not goin my way, so i did it all
[09:31] <kuzmaster> now, i just downloaded firefox 1.5 of www.getfirefox.com
[09:31] <lgc> nalioth_zZz, you are ubiquitous! It's the thing about k3b: "I get that Cdrecord has no permission to write on the device. What should I do (I'm on Gnome and Hoary)?
[09:31] <_mindspin> but it could lead to wrong conclusions anfd frustration
[09:31] <nalioth_zZz> kameron: lgc needs help setting up his k3b
[09:31] <kameron> lgc, k3b-setup
[09:31] <kameron> lgc, sorry, that's k3bsetup.
[09:32] <lgc> kameron, "command not found".
[09:32] <lgc> kameron, either way!
[09:32] <kuzmaster> and i extracted it to a folder on my desktop
[09:32] <kameron> lgc, sudo k3bsetup. that will walk you through changing permissions to certain files and programs that k3b uses to burn software. that way you can burn files as a regular user.
[09:32] <kuzmaster> and i dont know how to get into firefox
[09:32] <kameron> lgc, sudo k3bsetup doesn't work?
[09:33] <nalioth_zZz> ubotu: tell kuzmaster about firefox15
[09:33] <nalioth_zZz> kuzmaster: check your priv msgs
[09:33] <_mindspin> any README or INSTALL.TXT
[09:33] <lgc> kameron, no. (Remember I'm on Gnome). I just apt-get installed k3b and whatever it asked.
[09:33] <kuzmaster> ????
[09:34] <kameron> lgc, okay.. i didn't know you're on gnome. sudo apt-get install k3bsetup && gksudo k3bsetup
[09:34] <nalioth_zZz> kuzmaster: you've recieved a private message from ubotu
[09:35] <lgc> kameron, "E: Couldn't find package k3bsetup" (and I have all repositories open).
[09:35] <kameron> ...
[09:37] <kameron> lgc, i thought k3bsetup installs with k3b.
[09:38] <kameron> lgc, you're right, there is no package named k3bsetup. i think it's bundled with k3b.
[09:38] <lgc> kameron, I searched the whole file system and there only exist a couple of icons under that name.
[09:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[09:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to play vmw files in linux?
[09:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in mplayer they are all kindaof green
[09:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !wmv
[09:39] <ubotu> well, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:39] <lgc> kameron, any suggestions?
[09:40] <kameron> lgc, sudo apt-get install k3b-i18n
[09:42] <kameron> lgc, does that package install k3bsetup?
[09:42] <lgc> kameron, I installed the package and I'm running k3b again...
[09:42] <kameron> lgc, try running gksudo k3bsetup
[09:43] <lgc> kameron, It worked, but it did nothing (visible).
[09:44] <kameron> hmmm. it should be visibly obvious.
[09:44] <kameron> try again? or try without the gksudo.
[09:45] <kameron> lgc, ^^
[09:45] <lgc> kameron, what should appear then?
[09:45] <kameron> a screen.. lgc
[09:46] <lgc> kameron, nope. I want my money bak...
[09:46] <kameron> lgc, is kcontrol installed?
[09:47] <lgc> kameron, no. I fancy...actually it is. And it comes out with a beautiful blue screen!
[09:47] <kameron> lgc, k3b depends on it is all.
[09:48] <lgc> kameron, what should I mess with next?
[09:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i convert wmv to avi or other readable formats?
[09:48] <kameron> lgc, well.. this way sucks.. but you could try installs kubuntu-desktop.
[09:49] <lgc> kameron, you mean that I should go the KDE way all the way?
[09:49] <kameron> lgc, well, it's worth a shot.
[09:49] <kameron> besides gnome sucks lgc
[09:50] <lgc> kameron, it seems to me somewhat of a religious issue...
[09:50] <kameron> lgc, pretty much
[09:50] <lgc> kameron, I just want a "#"#$ functional cdburner!
[09:51] <kameron> lgc, i bet. doesn't gnome have one.. gtoast something?
[09:51] <lgc> gnomebaker, kameron. But it's not the only one (the default one is a pain in the ass).
[09:52] <kameron> gtoaster is one, i've never heard of gnomebaker.
[09:52] <kameron> i bet k3b will work if you install kubuntu-desktop.. it's just that, there's probably a missed dependency somewhere.
[09:52] <motorcitymadman> I've just installed kubuntu and i wood like to install firefox / could someone point me in the right direction
[09:52] <kameron> lgc, nothing happens when you type 'k3bsetup'
[09:53] <kameron> motorcitymadman, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:53] <_mindspin> ubotu: tell motorcitymadman about mozilla-firefox
[09:54] <_mindspin> ubotu: tell motorcitymadman about firefox
[09:54] <motorcitymadman> kameron: thank you / i'm on my way / what sould i now about firefox ?
[09:54] <kameron> motorcitymadman, it rocks
[09:54] <_mindspin> ubotu: tell motorcitymadman about firefox1.5
[09:55] <kameron> lgc, keep it all in one window :P
[09:55] <tijn> how do i upgrade safely to dapper
[09:55] <tijn> ?
[09:55] <kameron> lgc, channel i mean
[09:55] <kameron> tijn, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace every instance of 'breezy' with 'dapper' then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:56] <_mindspin> tijn: wait until it's released
[09:56] <tijn> _mindspin: erhm no ;)
[09:56] <kameron> no way man, i'm on dapper now, it rocks _mindspin
[09:56] <_mindspin> he said "safely"
[09:56] <tijn> kameron: i did that
[09:56] <tijn> after a reboot, my networking died
[09:56] <lgc> kameron, this is the only one I'm paying attention to (well, more or less).
[09:57] <kameron> if you've already done that, then what's the problem tijn ?
[09:57] <tijn> well, it didnt work :)
[09:57] <kameron> lgc, you asked me something in #ubuntu :P
[09:57] <kameron> tijn, then you didn't do it properly.
[09:57] <tijn> whats not to be done properly @ apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:58] <lgc> kameron, sorry. But didn't you say Gnome sucks? You might get beat up on that channel!
[09:58] <tijn> :)
[09:58] <kameron> tijn, did you replace every instance of breezy with dapper in sources.list?
[09:58] <tijn> yes
[09:58] <kameron> lgc, i said that in this channel
[09:58] <tijn> the only mirror that didnt work was seveas
[09:58] <patrix> when I updated to dapper
[09:58] <kameron> tijn, yeah, you have to use the breezy sources of seveas
[09:58] <patrix> after the dist-upgrade
[09:58] <_mindspin> kameron: I'll gonna tell ;-)
[09:59] <lgc> kameron, yes, but you shouldn't eavesdrop the enemy...
[09:59] <tijn> i know
[09:59] <patrix> I had to also reinstlal kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop
[09:59] <patrix> cause some packages had been removed
[09:59] <kameron> lgc, we're not enemies.
[09:59] <kameron> lgc, mortal enemies :P
[09:59] <patrix> well ubuntu-desktop was cause I also have gnome ;)
[09:59] <lgc> kameron, I'll ring the bell on you next time I see you over there!
[10:00] <tijn> well, gonna try and update again, if my pc dies, it will go haunt you kameron ;)
[10:00] <kameron> tijn, i can't wait
[10:00] <tijn> kk :D
[10:01] <kameron> lgc, i'm always over there. it has a lot of good help that's not specific to gnome, but just ubuntu in generall
[10:02] <lgc> kameron, I'm afraid I just have to call it a night. It's 3 a.m. here and I get up early... maybe you could think of something not so radical as installing KDE...
[10:02] <kameron> installing kde doesn't seem too radical, to run kde apps :P
[10:02] <kameron> lgc, get back to me later on it, i might be able to help.
[10:03] <lgc> kameron, allright. Bye now.
[10:03] <kameron> lgc, later
[10:03] <lgc> kameron, and thanks. EOT.
[10:03] <motorcitymadman> kameron: ok firefox installed / easy as pie / i have a alert / the file /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found / pl ck location & try again / i clk ok & firfox starts / tryed reboot of firfox / i still have alt / what do i need to do now ?
[10:04] <kameron> motorcitymadman, holy slashes batman
[10:04] <simian> i'm having problems with adept, if i run it from the command line 'kdesu adept' it's fine, but if i run it from the menu it just hangs constantly
[10:04] <simian> can anyone advise me?
[10:04] <kameron> simian, edit the menu item on it.
[10:05] <motorcitymadman> or should i say what wood you do
[10:05] <kameron> motorcitymadman, change your homepage to something else.
[10:05] <simian> kameron: ty
[10:05] <_mindspin> something else would not help at all, try an existing URL
[10:06] <simian> kameron: but adept updater will always run adept the old way
[10:07] <kameron> _mindspin, he doesn't have that home page installed for whatever reason, if he just changes his home page shouldn't that fix it?
[10:07] <kameron> simian, what do you mean?
[10:07] <motorcitymadman> kameron: is very smart :-)
[10:07] <_mindspin> I would try www.google.com or any other url which suits him as startpage
[10:08] <kameron> that's what i meant, change his home page? _mindspin
[10:08] <_mindspin> I know, but something else was not precise enough for me/ for helping
[10:08] <kameron> lol, okay.
[10:08] <motorcitymadman> sometimes default settings can give one fit's
[10:09] <kameron> motorcitymadman, it sure can :P
[10:10] <kameron> simian, if you right click the menu item, look under the command field, it will probably say something like this "adept_updater %i %m -caption "%c"" change it to "adept" or "adept_updater" if you want. that might fix it.
[10:11] <motorcitymadman> to make a dir do i just use the makedir command using a shell ?
[10:12] <simian> kameron: i've fixed adept so that it uses kdesu but i think that adeptupdater will start adept the old way regardless of what i change in the kmenu
[10:12] <motorcitymadman> i'm learning this as i go :-0
[10:14] <motorcitymadman> so i just push all the bottons and tabs to see what happens  :-P
[10:15] <simian> kameron: no you were right. it works perfectly. thanks kameron
[10:17] <Steven_M> Is anyone here on the kubuntu dapper deval team?
[10:17] <kameron> simian, i wish my wife would say that more often.
[10:17] <motorcitymadman> it all started when i paid for a winxp disk & reinstalled the o/s / had to call for a new key / made me angery / so i say good-bye / hello linux :-p
[10:17] <kameron> simian, i'm just kidding, i'm not married. haha.
[10:18] <simian> lol
[10:19] <kameron> i dual booted windows and linux for years. but i only ever used windows to play CS:S... and i found i was often too lazy to reboot to linux between playing CS... so i spent a lot of time on there, and i always hated it. so i eventually just scrapped windows and got to work running cs:s on linux.
[10:20] <motorcitymadman> one thing i will new to do is get my printers working with kubuntu
[10:20] <_mindspin> cups will do it like a charm
[10:20] <_mindspin> hopefully ;-)
[10:21] <motorcitymadman> i have two lexmake : x125 & x4270
[10:23] <motorcitymadman> i have cups in the kitthen / i'm wondering to i have any inside this machine
[10:23] <_mindspin> common unix printer system
[10:24] <_mindspin> or alike...
[10:24] <Steven_M> Is anyone here on the kubuntu dapper devel team?
[10:24] <_mindspin> but lexmark is not known for good linux support....
[10:26] <motorcitymadman> mindspin: this cups is something i new to install ? also mindspin yes to your question about the link from the ubotu
[10:27] <motorcitymadman> *need to install
[10:28] <motorcitymadman> i can follow but i will try to also be helpfull
[10:31] <_mindspin> mom
[10:32] <_mindspin> open kcontrol by typing kdesu kcontrol
[10:33] <Steven_M> Can anyone tell me how to allow all the users  in a particuar group to run the halt command, rather than having to run it as root via sudo?
[10:33] <_mindspin> go to the top level entry
[10:34] <_mindspin> and select printers
[10:34] <_mindspin> the rest should be self explainable
[10:37] <visik7> anyone get kcmshell fileshare working ?
[10:38] <buz> is there a way to add a "resize" action to context menu for images?
[10:38] <buz> in konqi i mean
[10:38] <visik7> I mean when I right click on a folder it tells me that I've to configure fileshare
[10:38] <visik7> but it's confgured for my user
[10:48] <Steven_M> Can anyone tell me how to allow all the users  in a particuar group to run the halt command, rather than having to run it as root via sudo?
[10:49] <motorcitymadman> _mindspin: printer setup / test page / test page successfully sent to printer / not printing / is this a driver prob ?
[10:49] <_mindspin> it could be, but I'm not sure
[10:50] <_mindspin> I once had to try several drivers for a HP Printer until I got it right
[10:51] <motorcitymadman> ok i will play with it / is kubuntu and ubuntu same same / just diff colors ?
[10:51] <Rayman> motorcitymadman: ubuntu uses Gnome, kubuntu KDE.
[10:51] <Rayman> I like KDE better.
[10:51] <_mindspin> kubuntu comes with KDE Desktop, ubuntu ships Gnome
[10:53] <_ita> hi all .. i ran through the kubuntu wiki "how2AddJavaSupport" .. all worked fine .. props to the author .. even my firefox is able to display java applets now .. but .. how do i add java support to my konqueror ?!
[10:53] <_ita> same trick i do some "ln -s " to some konqueror/plugins dir ?!
[10:53] <motorcitymadman> i quess it will just take me some time to find my way around and nav-gate this system :-)
[10:54] <Rayman> _ita
[10:54] <_mindspin> motorcitymadman: sure, if you are new to linux at all
[10:54] <_mindspin> but it's not that difficult
[10:54] <_ita> yes, thats me :)
[10:54] <motorcitymadman> brand new
[10:54] <Rayman> konqueror can use mozplugins. Just go to konqueror settings/plugins and click search for new plugins or so
[10:55] <_ita> ah ok .. thank you
[10:55] <Rayman> dunno how that handles java but works for flash.. install flash through firefox and use them in konqueror that way ;)
[10:56] <_mindspin> motorcitymadman: strolling around in ubuntu/kubuntu forums would be a good idea
[10:56] <_mindspin> you'll find a lot of helpful information
[10:57] <_ita> thanks again ... konqueror shows applets .. woohoo
[10:58] <Rayman> _ita: add it to the wiki if you please ^^
[11:05] <motorcitymadman> rebooting-to clean out spider webs
[11:07] <visik7> when I right click on a folder in konqueror and select share it show a button "Configure File Sharing..." but file share are configured to allow any user to share folders why it doesn't show a dialog to share ?
[11:18] <MrFaber> hi all
[11:18] <MrFaber> Has anyone a solution for this? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-January/005699.html
[11:18] <MrFaber> I have exactly the same issue only a different monitor.
[11:31] <zmo> MrFaber, hi i use 915resolution to patch my video modes
[11:45] <visik7> anyone got "right-click (on a folder) -> proprieties -> share" working ?
[11:45] <buz> that never worked for me either
[11:45] <MrFaber> zmo, I too and patching works
[11:45] <MrFaber> but the modeline is ignored for second monitor
[11:54] <MotorCityMadMan> when i ask kate to get out of the bed she turns her hips around and around but never gets up. What chould be wroung with kate ?
[11:55] <MrFaber> MotorCityMadMan, start it from console
[11:55] <Rayman> MotorCityMadMan: to open files as root, try kdesu kate
[11:55] <MrFaber> I have a similar problem in Dapper
[11:56] <_mindspin> and if firing up kate from commandline succeed, have a look at the menu entry
[11:57] <_mindspin> by right clicking
[11:57] <MotorCityMadMan> i'm doing a kdesu kate in a shell now
[11:58] <MotorCityMadMan> nothing is coming up as of yet
[12:01] <_ita> i know this might be offtopic  -  i need to do a complete backup of a linux box running mysql/apache/tomcat/zope asf .. and its not possible to shut the machine down during backup .. is there a "nice" way to do that ? with sth like dd maybe ?
[12:01] <buz> not really, no
[12:02] <buz> database apps like mysql or zope need their own utilities to make consistant snapshots
[12:02] <buz> mysqldump for example
[12:03] <_ita> ok thank you .. i think i will just try my luck :)
[12:36] <kmon> Hi, I'm trying the new knetworkmanager, but I seem to be to dumb to get it to work with my ipw2200. Can someone help me?
[12:39] <jshaw> are you talking the newest breezy version or the newest dapper version kmon?
[12:40] <kmon> jshaw:  dapper
[12:41] <tijn> dist upgrade will fail i think :S
[12:41] <jshaw> kmon: It seams to segfault when I tried and configure my ipw2200 on dapper...
[12:42] <kmon> jshaw: I'm goingo to try and remove the /etc/network/interfaces data not needed and see if it works
[12:42] <jshaw> good idea.. I'm installing gdb atm so I can see the backtrace on the segfault
[12:45] <tijn> jshaw: what happened?
[12:45] <jshaw> well now it seams like it doesn't want to let me into administrator mode
[12:58] <tijn> nl mirror is slooooooow :S
[12:59] <tijn> getting a lot of timeouts :S
[01:00] <Hobbsee> tijn: swap to another mirror?
[01:01] <tijn> yea gonna do that :)
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> Hi I am using Kubuntu (Flight 5) with the official thunderbird / firefox installed into /opt (ubuntu's firefox was dog slow) is there a way to get communication between all my app's working (i.e click on a link in thunderbird it opens in firefox, same with Konversation) I have tried using update-alternatives but even if I change the simlink in /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser it doesn't seem to work any help much appreciated. Sam
[01:04] <tijn> ah, my upload was been used full :)
[01:04] <jshaw> I'm not sure how to make thunderbird links work, but in "User Account" -> "Default Applications" in System settings you can set firefox to be the default web browser for KDE
[01:06] <Hobbsee> !+thunderbird
[01:06] <ubotu> methinks thunderbird is a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[01:06] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: yeah, i had the version in /opt installed too - it's way faster!
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> thanks ubotu / jshaw
[01:09] <kmon> Does anyone here know where knetwork-managr in dapper stores it's settings?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> kmon: as in, the passwords?
[01:10] <kmon> Hobbsee: yes... I suppose
[01:10] <Hobbsee> passwords are stored in kwallet
[01:11] <kmon> Hobbsee: ok, I wasn't refering to that, sorry... I was talking about a wifi network I've just configured but that is not working
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:11] <Hobbsee> yet is connected to one
[01:12] <kmon> I would like to remove the network I've added since it's not working....
[01:14] <Coffee_Runner> any1 else running Cedega CVS and did tools/wineinstall?
[01:15] <tijn> erhm i do run cedega
[01:15] <tijn> but the 4.1 deb package
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> hmm...well...it asked for a fake windows directory..and the automatic setting is /c so i typed /c and i got this
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Configuring Wine without Windows.
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Some fake Windows directories must be created, to hold any .ini files, DLLs,
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> start menu entries, and other things your applications may need to install.
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Where would you like your fake C drive to be placed?
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> (default is /c) /c
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Configuring Wine for a no-windows install in /c...
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Created /home/ryan/.wine/config using default Wine configuration.
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> You probably want to review the file, though.
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Compiling regapi...
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> rm -f regapi && ln -s ../../tools/winelibwrap regapi
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Preparing to install default Wine registry entries...
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Installing default Wine registry entries...
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> tools/wineinstall: line 562: programs/regapi/regapi: Permission denied
[01:16] <tijn> dont flood!
[01:16] <_mindspin> !paste
[01:16] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[01:16] <Coffee_Runner> Registry install failed.
[01:16] <tijn> use #flod
[01:16] <tijn> #flood *
[01:17] <Coffee_Runner> =( sorry...i didnt know it was going to separate
[01:17] <tijn> mmh
[01:17] <Coffee_Runner> >.<
[01:17] <Coffee_Runner> anyway...so where do i tell it to put drive c?
[01:17] <Tm_T> moin
[01:18] <tijn> mmh doesnt that happen automaticly?
[01:18] <Coffee_Runner> negative
[01:18] <tijn> normally it is in ur home dir
[01:18] <tijn> ah dir called .Transgaming
[01:18] <tijn> in that dir you have c_drive
[01:18] <Coffee_Runner> whats the path to that
[01:22] <Coffee_Runner> Configuring Wine without Windows. Some fake Windows directories must be created, to hold any .ini files, DLLs, start menu entries, and other things your applications may need to install. Where would you like your fake C drive placed? (defualt is /c)
[01:23] <Coffee_Runner> that is what it asks
[01:23] <Coffee_Runner> i typed /c
[01:23] <Coffee_Runner> then it gave me that error i pasted earlier
[01:24] <_mindspin> try /home/username/fakewin/c
[01:24] <_mindspin> just an example
[01:24] <Coffee_Runner> alright
[01:24] <_mindspin> where username is your username
[01:24] <Coffee_Runner> no no i know that
[01:25] <Coffee_Runner> it gave me the same error however
[01:25] <Coffee_Runner> its says its about to install then...
[01:25] <Coffee_Runner> tools/wineinstall: line 562: programs/regapi/regapi: Permission denied
[01:25] <Coffee_Runner> Registry install failed.
[01:26] <Coffee_Runner> awww nvm....i found the problem
[01:27] <Coffee_Runner> i needed to install the fake directory program 1st
[01:34] <elias> hey everyone
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hey elias
[01:35] <elias> hey hobbsee
[01:35] <elias> i gota question
[01:35] <elias> if anyone can help it would be great
[01:35] <visik7> anyone can paste here ls -al /etc/security/fileshare.conf ?
[01:35] <visik7> elias: don't ask to ask just ask
[01:36] <visik7> and don't ask if anyone can answer you
[01:36] <visik7> just ask
[01:36] <elias> i have a firewall at my university
[01:36] <elias>  u know the usual no msn no irc no ftp no everything ...
[01:36] <elias>   i want to get through
[01:36] <Hobbsee> visik7: ls: /etc/security/fileshare.conf: No such file or directory'
[01:36] <elias>  i managed to encrypt my http packets on port 80
[01:36] <visik7> mmm ok
[01:37] <visik7> Hobbsee: probably u don't have kdenetwork-filesharing installed
[01:37] <elias>   but i need to tunnel for other ports u know for ftp irc ....
[01:37] <Hobbsee> probably not, no
[01:37] <visik7> nevermind thanks anyway
[01:37] <elias>  any ideas???? i'm a fast learner if u don't have time just give me a few link or anythin to read
[01:38] <Hobbsee> elias: maybe anonymous proxy?  i'm not sure, try google
[01:38] <jshaw> elias: if you have a machine outside that network you could stunnel your traffic
[01:38] <jshaw> or setup a proxy
[01:38] <elias> that's the problem i don't have another box outside
[01:39] <jshaw> well, short of only using services they allow, there isn't much you can do without a box on the outside
[01:39] <elias> they only allow ports 80 and 443 just for websites u see
[01:40] <JasonF> not to mention the fact you can probably get kicked out of uni for bypassing the firewall
[01:40] <elias> but if u know a proxy on these ports tht allows tnnelling to oyher ports(21,...) it would work
[01:40] <visik7> uh ?
[01:40] <visik7> JasonF: what uni has this policy ?
[01:41] <jshaw> they don't even allow port 22? yikes, universities are getting more restrictive
[01:41] <Hobbsee> jshaw: at ours, i've seen people get msn on their laptops
[01:42] <elias> i tried a proxy at port 80 . it didn't allow me to tunnel to port 643(the msn port i guess)
[01:42] <jshaw> well it wasn't long ago I was in school and they didn't block anything... though they did start purposely restricting bittorrent traffic
[01:42] <JasonF> visik7: most uni's I've seen have a computer use policy, which usually has a clause to the effect of "attempting to bypass restrictions ...." so you could get in trouble for it
[01:42] <elias> no we don't have a such policy
[01:43] <JasonF> well, I doubt you'll have much luck without a box on the outside
[01:43] <visik7> neither us
[01:43] <elias> worst thing they'd do is congratulate me and assign me as head ssecurity administrator :) lol
[01:43] <visik7> you can try your-freedom.net service
[01:43] <JasonF> allowing unrestricted proxying through one port would be hella insecure for an open proxy
[01:44] <JasonF> elias: have you tried simply asking nicely? :P
[01:45] <Coffee_Runner> any1 know why i get this error after picking an area for the fake hard drive in Cedega CVS install?
[01:45] <Coffee_Runner> tools/wineinstall: line 562: programs/regapi/regapi: Permission denied
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Coffee_Runner: stick sudo in front of it maybe?  or use fakeroot?
[01:46] <Coffee_Runner> Hobbsee: tryed sudo...no go...and u mean the winex_drive download im assuming...it wont let me replace .wine folder in home
[01:47] <Hobbsee> weird.  delete the .wine folde,r then retry?
[01:47] <Coffee_Runner> it wont allow me...i have no permission
[01:47] <Coffee_Runner> im getting access denied
[01:47] <Hobbsee> who does have permission then?
[01:48] <Coffee_Runner> well i do..but how do i remove from console?
[01:48] <Coffee_Runner> im trying to delete from Konquerer =,=
[01:50] <Coffee_Runner> o.o?
[01:53] <tijn> erhm
[01:53] <tijn> u dont have premissions in your own homedir?
[01:53] <Coffee_Runner> >.<
[01:53] <Coffee_Runner> no
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Coffee_Runner: cd into the directory, *AND MAKE DARN SURE THAT YOU'RE IN THERE*, then sudo rm -rf *
[01:53] <Hobbsee> then cd .. && rmdir .wine
[01:55] <Coffee_Runner> when u say in the the directory u mean.../home/username or /home/username/.wine that where mine is
[01:55] <Coffee_Runner> thats is*
[01:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:56] <Coffee_Runner> yes what
[01:56] <Coffee_Runner> O.o
[01:56] <Hobbsee> oh
[01:56] <Hobbsee> the second
[01:56] <Hobbsee> sorry, didnt see the difference
[01:56] <Hobbsee> you want to be in the .wine folde,r yes
[01:57] <Coffee_Runner> thank you
[01:57] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[01:58] <visik7> anyone here using python and pycurl ?
[01:59] <Coffee_Runner> Hobbsee o.o;;
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Coffee_Runner: hmmm?
[01:59] <Coffee_Runner> Hobbsee: rmdir: '.wine': Directory not empty
[02:00] <Hobbsee> yes, that's why you have to go into the wine directory first, and delete everything
[02:00] <_mindspin> rm -R will do
[02:00] <tijn> no way, if u do an rm -r it works
[02:00] <Coffee_Runner> sudo rm -rf did nothing -,-
[02:01] <Coffee_Runner> oo rm -r
[02:01] <_mindspin> R in capital letter will
[02:01] <Coffee_Runner> k
[02:02] <Hobbsee> _mindspin: oh, is that what it is?
[02:02] <_mindspin> ;-)
[02:02] <jshaw> you guys have a good morning.. off to the office with me....:\
[02:03] <Coffee_Runner> O.O didn't work.
[02:03] <_mindspin> its 2pm and I'm in Office since 8
[02:03] <tijn> erhm dont know about u guys, be i like it when my home dir is MY home dir, so why dont do an chown -R user.user /home/user  ?
[02:03] <Coffee_Runner> rm: too few arguements
[02:03] <tijn> he said he doesnt have the rights
[02:04] <_mindspin> rm -R * will remove everything
[02:04] <_mindspin> rm -R directoryname will delete folder and files included
[02:04] <_mindspin> but be careful
[02:05] <_mindspin> from where you run the command ;-)
[02:05] <Coffee_Runner> I thought the * was for show
[02:06] <tijn> i run it from home
[02:06] <tijn> ;)
[02:08] <Coffee_Runner> alright...now it says my defualt is /c is it /c? or /home/username/.wine/c_drive?
[02:09] <tijn> last one
[02:09] <Coffee_Runner> k
[02:10] <Coffee_Runner> same error....
[02:10] <Coffee_Runner> tools/wineinstall: line 562: programs/regapi/regapi: Permission denied
[02:10] <Coffee_Runner> Registry install failed.
[02:10] <_Mucki_> hi
[02:11] <Coffee_Runner> tijn: do i need anything in front of the address?
[02:11] <tijn> nope
[02:11] <Coffee_Runner> hmmm...
[02:11] <_Mucki_> does anyone know if you can limit the download speed of konqueror?
[02:11] <Coffee_Runner> then why am i getting that error.....
[02:11] <tijn> permission denied, you run it as a normal user?
[02:13] <iGotNoTime> Maybe this room is a bit slower... I run Edubuntu on my desktop and wanted to try Kubuntu on my laptop. I downloaded the ISO, burned it and ran it...
[02:13] <iGotNoTime> it gave me errors that halted the installation the error was about not being able to mount the Cd drive
[02:14] <_mindspin> acer ?
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> I pulled the disc and I had burnt the cd ISO to a dvd
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> could that be the problem?
[02:14] <Coffee_Runner> .....
[02:14] <Coffee_Runner> burn it to a CD
[02:14] <Coffee_Runner> and at 1x speed
[02:14] <iGotNoTime> I was thinking it could be because it was a lightscribe drive and no support
[02:15] <iGotNoTime> so it is because it is DVD media rather than the CD-R ?
[02:15] <Coffee_Runner> most likely
[02:15] <iGotNoTime> I am just happy it wasn't a bug :)
[02:15] <iGotNoTime> thanks for the help :)
[02:15] <Coffee_Runner> mmhmm
[02:42] <Al-Daja> there is anyway to use exe files from windows in kubuntu?
[02:43] <_mindspin> some, like notepad.exe run in wine ;-)
[02:43] <Al-Daja> no
[02:43] <Al-Daja> lol
[02:43] <Al-Daja> not that simple
[02:43] <_mindspin> which app do you wanna run?
[02:43] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: a script called upp
[02:43] <_mindspin> one the winehomepage you can have an overview
[02:44] <_mindspin> what does it do? maybe there's a linux app which could to the task
[02:44] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: a friend of mine have a "crack" that can run things from windows, like scripts
[02:45] <_mindspin> vmware maybe
[02:45] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: is a mirc scritp
[02:45] <Al-Daja> *script
[02:45] <_mindspin> ic
[02:48] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: vmware i have installed
[02:49] <_mindspin> so it should work in a virtual windows, but to be honest, I never ever used vmware or wine. I have no need to run win apps
[02:49] <patrix> last time I tried , mirc works in wine
[02:50] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: well to be honest is the best script i found until now, for a noob like me, that don't get used like bitchx or irssi, and get some real problems installing kvirc
[02:51] <patrix> like I said Al-Daja , mirc worked in wine last time I tried (1-2 months ago)
[02:51] <_mindspin> try konversation
[02:51] <Al-Daja> i'm using koversation
[02:51] <Al-Daja> but lack somethings
[02:51] <_mindspin> or follow patrix advice
[02:51] <Al-Daja> i will thx patrix
[02:52] <patrix> np
[02:52] <Al-Daja> _mindspin: koversation is good but i need a script that have things right on the way of one click of the mouse
[02:52] <_mindspin> no prob
[02:55] <DarkAdmiral> xchat o0
[02:56] <Al-Daja> DarkAdmiral: i use that too, well i use like 70 scripts already
[02:58] <Al-Daja> thx patrix _mindspin, it works
[02:58] <patrix> :)
[02:59] <_mindspin> yw
[03:08] <tibs01> ello people
[03:08] <tibs01> someone help me getting my webcam working please
[03:08] <tibs01> i still can't get it goin
[03:22] <spiritz> Is there any one who tried beagle or assimilate under kde?
[03:26] <tibs01> !kmess
[03:26] <ubotu> tibs01: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:35] <tibs01> mmmmmmmmmmm
[03:35] <tibs01> anyone help me install kmess plz ?
[03:35] <tibs01> via package install ?
[03:36] <tibs01> !package update
[03:36] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tibs01
[03:36] <_mindspin> tibs01: sudo apt-get install name
[03:36] <_mindspin> never heard of kmess
[03:42] <tibs01> ibs01@workstation:~$ sudo apt-get kmess
[03:42] <tibs01> E: Invalid operation kmess
[03:42] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$
[03:42] <tibs01> im getting errors
[03:42] <tibs01> :(
[03:43] <_mindspin> sudo apt-get install
[03:43] <DaSkreech> I'm assuming thats some kind of messenger?
[03:43] <tibs01> yes
[03:43] <tibs01> kmess is a msn messenger
[03:43] <DaSkreech> tibs01: Type in sudo apt-get install kmess
[03:43] <_mindspin> he forgot the install
[03:43] <tibs01> E: Invalid operation kmess
[03:43] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$ sudo apt-get install kmess
[03:43] <tibs01> Reading package lists... Done
[03:43] <tibs01> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:44] <tibs01> E: Couldn't find package kmess
[03:44] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$
[03:44] <tibs01>  :(
[03:44] <DaSkreech> !kmess
[03:44] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[03:44] <tibs01> tryed that
[03:44] <tibs01> aint ther
[03:44] <tibs01> also is there an english version of easycam ?
[03:45] <DaSkreech> tibs01: Do you have Universe ?
[03:45] <tibs01> i can't find a driver for my webcam
[03:45] <tibs01> no
[03:45] <tibs01> shall i install it ?
[03:45] <tibs01> where do i get it ?
[03:45] <tibs01> package manager ?
[03:45] <DaSkreech> tibs01: Using adept or shell?
[03:45] <tibs01> shell
[03:46] <_mindspin> you should try adept or kynaptic
[03:46] <DaSkreech> ok edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:46] <tibs01> erm erm
[03:46] <tibs01> E: Invalid operation kmess
[03:46] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$ sudo apt-get install kmess
[03:46] <tibs01> Reading package lists... Done
[03:46] <tibs01> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:46] <tibs01> E: Couldn't find package kmess
[03:46] <tibs01> tibs01@workstation:~$
[03:46] <tibs01> is ffs
[03:46] <tibs01> is kynaptic
[03:47] <tibs01> installed by defult ?
[03:47] <_mindspin> both are but if you haven't enabled the corrct repository ......
[03:48] <_mindspin> !easysource
[03:48] <tibs01> i got adept
[03:48] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:51] <tibs01> god
[03:51] <tibs01> its hard installing packages in this
[03:51] <_mindspin> nope
[03:52] <tibs01> so what do i do to update my package manager
[03:52] <tibs01> adept
[03:52] <_mindspin> you just have to have the right sources.list and it will work like a charm
[03:52] <tibs01> how do i download new one
[03:52] <_mindspin> edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <tibs01> all i wanna do is get my webcam working
[03:53] <tibs01> n msn
[03:53] <_mindspin> in adept there is an update button
[03:53] <tibs01> ok
[03:53] <tibs01> done it
[03:54] <_mindspin> !paste
[03:54] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[03:54] <tibs01> still can't find kmess
[03:54] <tibs01> in adept
[03:54] <tibs01> even tho i upgraded it
[03:54] <_mindspin> paste the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <_mindspin> mind the link above
[03:55] <tibs01> ill paste it in msg
[03:55] <tibs01> to ya
[03:55] <tibs01> i dont wanna flood the room
[03:55] <_mindspin> therefor the pastebin link
[03:55] <_mindspin> but you can msg me
[03:56] <_mindspin> tibs01: are you sure kmess is avaiable at all ?
[03:56] <tibs01> yes
[03:56] <tibs01> kmess.sourceforge.net
[03:57] <tibs01> but im having problems installing it
[03:57] <tibs01> wont let me msg ys
[03:57] <tibs01> ya
[03:57] <tibs01> due to spam
[03:57] <tibs01> join #flood
[03:58] <DaSkreech> <a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all&keywords=kmess&sourceid=mozilla-search">Ubuntu -- Package Search Results</a>
[03:58] <_mindspin> pastebin would have been easyer
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Thats Kmess
[03:59] <tibs01> thats it
[03:59] <_mindspin> remove the # in front of the universe entry
[04:00] <tibs01> what for these two
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:00] <tibs01> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[04:00] <tibs01> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[04:00] <DaSkreech> I wonder if you can remove the # at the start of a line tha tcontains universe with Regex
[04:01] <DaSkreech> tibs01: There are different sources that you can get packages from
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Those two are the universe binary and source packages resp.
[04:04] <tibs01> ok
[04:04] <tibs01> ive done that _mindspin
[04:04] <tibs01> still can't find Kmess in it
[04:04] <tibs01>  :(
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Did you click update?
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> hi is there a way to setup kde so that icons only appear on the taskbar of the virtual desktop they are on ?cheers
[04:05] <tibs01> yip
[04:05] <tibs01> wb _mindspin
[04:05] <tibs01> i clicked on update on adept
[04:06] <Blippe> i have two "layouts" in my xorg file, does anybody know how to change between them?
[04:06] <tibs01> erm
[04:06] <tibs01> i can't even get my webcam working :(
[04:06] <Blippe> (without editing the xorg-file)
[04:07] <_mindspin> I have no webcam, so I can only offer basic/system help
[04:08] <sorush21> guys how do i change the character set type in my document in writer?
[04:19] <noteventime> 'ello
[04:33] <jjesse> is there a client that i can use to connect to a cisco vpn concnetrator ?
[04:35] <ganymed_> hallo
[04:35] <noteventime> '
[04:35] <zmo> jjesse vpnc or the proprietary cisco vpn client
[04:35] <noteventime> 'ello
[04:36] <zmo> jjesse i prefer vpnc combined with kvpnc
[04:36] <ganymed_> have improvements been made in the kde network module in kde 3.5.1 compared to the original breezy version?
[04:37] <ganymed_> zmo: do you have to dial into a cisco network?
[04:37] <mornfall> jjesse: the proprietary client is fairly useless AFAIK
[04:37] <jjesse> but kvpnc is decent?
[04:37] <mornfall> jjesse: go with vpnc -- but it has no rekeying support
[04:37] <jjesse> i use the cisco client on windows
[04:37] <mornfall> jjesse: so depending on rekeying interval, you will fall off the vpn regularly
[04:38] <zmo> mornfall, jjesse 8 hours is default, that's long enuff 4 me
[04:39] <mornfall> there's a secret patch that implements part of rekeying support -- i think the record on 8h-vpn is 48h connection with the patch
[04:39] <jjesse> thanks for all the help :)
[04:40] <mornfall> but it's otherwise a bit unreliable and all :)
[04:41] <ganymed_> how can i impelement the group password of a cisco certificate in kvpnc (or vpnc)?
[04:43] <zmo> ganymed_ edit your /etc/vpnc/vpnc.conf -> add your IPSec ID and secret
[04:44] <zmo> ganymed_ you can decode your secret from a .pcf profile using: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/bin/cisco-decode
[04:46] <ganymed_> thx, but do i need to know the group password. it's the university entrance, and those guys don't wanna tell the password for obvious reasons...
[04:47] <zmo> ganymed_ you do need the group password, plaintext or encrypted
[04:47] <tibs01> hello people
[04:47] <tibs01> can someone please help me i have just reinstalled for the 10th time
[04:48] <tibs01> has any one got time to give me a 1 to 1 support plz
[04:48] <tibs01> :(
[04:48] <tibs01> i only got a few things i need help with
[04:48] <tibs01> !mount
[04:48] <ubotu> mount is, like, the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[04:49] <ninHer> every time i log my computer, i must write dhclient...
[04:49] <ninHer> to getting internet
[04:49] <tibs01> !windowsdrives
[04:49] <ubotu> it has been said that windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions or see http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[04:49] <ninHer> how could i avoid this ?
[04:49] <morrow> !interfaces
[04:49] <thefriedz> is dapper flight out for regular users?
[04:49] <ubotu> morrow: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:50] <thefriedz> or is only for testing?
[04:50] <tibs01> !webcam
[04:50] <ubotu> from memory, webcam is now easy to install, per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam - webcam support soon to be available in amsn and gaim-vv.
[04:52] <ganymed_> have improvements been made in the kde network module in kde 3.5.1 compared to the original breezy version?
[04:52] <thefriedz> is dapper flight out for regular users?
[04:54] <noteventime> thefriendz, yes
[04:54] <noteventime> thefriendz, still beta though
[04:54] <luinux> hi!
[04:54] <noteventime> 'ello
[04:54] <_motorcitymadman> what command are usable in chat window ?
[04:54] <thefriedz> so not completed
[04:54] <_motorcitymadman> *commands
[04:54] <noteventime> thefriendz, No
[04:55] <luinux> someone can tell me where can i find info/doc/etc on how to make a new distro based on kubuntu?
[04:55] <luinux> any svn?
[04:56] <noteventime> Hmmm, i think thre is info in the wiki
[04:56] <noteventime> !kubuntu
[04:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[04:56] <luinux> i could not find it
[04:56] <noteventime> hmm, I don't remember were though
[04:56] <luinux> ok
[04:56] <luinux> thx
[04:57] <luinux> :)
[04:58] <noteventime> !livecd
[04:58] <noteventime> found it
[04:58] <noteventime> !tell luinux about livecd
[05:02] <luinux> thanks!
[05:02] <luinux> but im not trying to make a livecd
[05:02] <luinux> i want an installcd
[05:02] <luinux> (and THEN a live cd)
[05:02] <luinux> but i will read this
[05:05] <noteventime> Might help you :D
[05:08] <ganymed_> ciao
[05:13] <_ita> when backupping a linux system - is it wise to backup the /usr directory as well ?!
[05:14] <noteventime> _ita: Why not?
[05:15] <_ita> well im sort of a newb but i was told to backup .. im just trying to keep the backup as small as possible
[05:15] <_ita> (and i have to download all via scp, so its also a time thingy)
[05:16] <ubuntu> me
[05:18] <noteventime> _ita: /usr contains bins and docus
[05:19] <noteventime> Mostly
[05:19] <noteventime> Nearly all configurations are in /home and /etc
[05:20] <_ita> as i see the "." in /usr was last modified in 2005 ... so does this make sure no file in any subdirectory has been changed ever since or is that too naive ?
[05:21] <thefriedz> for some reason the sound isnt working on my desktop
[05:21] <thefriedz> is there a way to check what is going on?
[05:22] <noteventime> _ita: I'm not sure
[05:22] <noteventime> thefriedz: Take a loo in sounds settings in kcontrol
[05:23] <thefriedz> hmmm
[05:23] <thefriedz> everything looks fine
[05:23] <thefriedz> but i cant get the audio to work
[05:26] <Amorphis> thefriedz: checked slider settings in mixer?
[05:27] <tibs01> !msn
[05:27] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tibs01
[05:31] <daelstorm> python doesn't have gobject support... what's with that?
[05:31] <_tibs01> !webcam
[05:31] <ubotu> it has been said that webcam is now easy to install, per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam - webcam support soon to be available in amsn and gaim-vv.
[05:31] <daelstorm> someone needs to compile it in, or make a seperate package, like there used to be
[05:32] <_tibs01> !msn
[05:32] <ubotu> _tibs01: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:34] <Nomad411> Hi..  I need to mirror a website through ftp but the website is actually /../../.. from the ftp login root.  Does anyone know how I manage that with wget?
[05:36] <apokryphos> Nomad411: if you're using wget then you're not managing it through ftp
[05:36] <Nomad411> ahh?
[05:37] <apokryphos> Nomad411: either get them to make some type of symlink to that directory which is in the login root (and accessible public_html), or you'll have to alter the location of it.
[05:37] <Nomad411> I use wget username:password@ftp://sitename.com
[05:37] <apokryphos> Nomad411: interesting; does that work?
[05:37] <Nomad411> Sorry, I use wget ftp://username:password@sitename.com
[05:38] <apokryphos> Nomad411: personally I'd just use Konqueror's fish kioslave to get/transfer things
[05:38] <Nomad411> but when I try fish?
[05:38] <Nomad411> sorry..  fish?
[05:38] <apokryphos> Nomad411: in Konqueror: fish://username@domainname.com
[05:38] <apokryphos> Nomad411: presuming you have shell access
[05:39] <Nomad411> I'll have to find out :)
[05:39] <apokryphos> Nomad411: if you do you could of course also use scp, if you don't, use konqueror's ftp/sftp kioslave.
[05:39] <apokryphos> same syntax
[05:40] <sorush21> how do I add dictionary.com to my konqueror ?
[05:40] <apokryphos> sorush21: in what way?
[05:41] <Nomad411> fish won't work..  :(  When i try with simple ftp the connection just times outeventually and leaves me high and dry
[05:41] <sorush21> apokryphos: as a search engine
[05:42] <Nomad411> no ssh access.
[05:42] <Nomad411> grr
[05:43] <Nomad411> maybe curl instead
[05:43] <apokryphos> sorush21: configure konqueror -> web shortcuts. Look at how the other ones are structured, and I'm sure you can figure it out
[05:44] <apokryphos> Nomad411: hm, no ssh access -- that's a shame. Interested that wget works with ftp protocol
[05:44] <apokryphos> Nomad411: ...and if it does, it doesn't accept ./../ ??
[05:44] <sorush21> apokryphos: I just did... but the problem is why do they do it that way .. I wish it was similar to mozilla.
[05:45] <apokryphos> sorush21: it's very very easy to do
[05:45] <apokryphos> sorush21: get the url, replace the search term with \{@}  type the shortcut, and you're good to go
[05:47] <Nomad411> apokryphos: haven't managed with ../../.. yet :(  There's bound to eb a way.. wget is what I always use
[05:54] <JasonF> I want to basically use rsync+ssh to completely overwrite a kubuntu on another box with the one on my current box
[05:54] <JasonF> I have root on the other box
[05:54] <JasonF> what's the best way to go about that?
[06:01] <TIBS02> does any msn messengers allow webcam
[06:01] <TIBS02> on linux ?
[06:02] <apokryphos> TIBS02: with Kopete in KDE 3.5.1 yes
[06:02] <menace82> hi! i have a prob... i have a linux box with dapper installed on, and it doesn't mount cd's. It can mount dvd's!!!!
[06:03] <TIBS02> how do i upgrade my kde
[06:03] <_mindspin> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <TIBS02> will i loose anything if i upgrade my kde ?
[06:03] <TIBS02> to wot ?
[06:03] <_mindspin> kde3.5.1
[06:04] <_mindspin> !sources
[06:04] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:05] <_mindspin> I would recommend eayssource
[06:05] <_mindspin> !easysource
[06:05] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:06] <apokryphos> TIBS02: no, you won't lose anything.
[06:06] <_mindspin> and I would recommend reading here and there like in the forums
[06:06] <TIBS02> mmmmmmmmmm
[06:06] <apokryphos> TIBS02: to upgrade.......
[06:06] <apokryphos> !kde 3.5.1
[06:06] <ubotu> methinks kde 3.5.1 is at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[06:06] <_mindspin> we are not paid for support
[06:06] <TIBS02> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[06:06] <TIBS02> shall i add them to my source
[06:06] <daelstorm> fiddlesticks
[06:07] <trappist> menace82: audio cds?
[06:07] <apokryphos> TIBS02: yes, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:08] <cycus_zwisus> i need help, when i run audacity or skype capture in kmix turns off, why?
[06:08] <_mindspin> apokryphos: dist upgrade ?
[06:09] <apokryphos> _mindspin: yup
[06:09] <apokryphos> _mindspin: that is not only used for upgrading to a new distro version.
[06:10] <_mindspin> that was new to me
[06:10] <TIBS02> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[06:10] <TIBS02> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:10] <TIBS02> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:10] <TIBS02> tibs01@workstation:~$
[06:10] <TIBS02>  :|
[06:10] <_mindspin> I would have bet on that
[06:10] <TIBS02> wtf
[06:10] <_mindspin> !coc
[06:10] <ubotu> I heard coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:11] <apokryphos> TIBS01: don't paste in here please :)
[06:11] <TIBS01> _mindspin can u help me plz
[06:11] <TIBS01> upgrade to kde
[06:11] <apokryphos> _mindspin: follow the instructions on that page.
[06:11] <TIBS01> next one
[06:11] <_mindspin> I would recommend reading here and there like in the forums
[06:11] <apokryphos> * TIBS01
[06:11] <TIBS01> apokryphos:
[06:11] <_mindspin> apokryphos: ???
[06:12] <apokryphos> _mindspin: bad nick completion :)
[06:12] <_mindspin> hehe
[06:12] <TIBS01> so how can i upgrade my kde :S
[06:12] <apokryphos> TIBS01: type in the two commands it tells you to do to add the GPG key
[06:13] <apokryphos> TIBS01: so wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[06:13] <apokryphos> TIBS01: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:13] <_mindspin> apokryphos: praise to you and your patience
[06:14] <TIBS01> ok done
[06:14] <TIBS01> Hit http://blognux.free.fr unstable/main Packages
[06:14] <TIBS01> Fetched 193B in 2s (85B/s)
[06:14] <TIBS01> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:14] <TIBS01> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:14] <TIBS01> tibs01@workstation:~$
[06:14] <TIBS01> grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[06:15] <TIBS01> oh i know why
[06:15] <TIBS01> got two ssh windows up
[06:16] <apokryphos> TIBS01: don't paste in here! :)
[06:16] <TIBS01> still doing same thing
[06:16] <TIBS01> what can i do ?
[06:16] <apokryphos> TIBS01: close adept/synaptic and anything else using the package manager
[06:16] <apokryphos> i.e. apt, dpkg etc
[06:16] <TIBS01> done
[06:17] <apokryphos> TIBS01: then redo the last command I provided above
[06:17] <TIBS01> done
[06:17] <TIBS01> ok :D
[06:17] <TIBS01> compiling
[06:17] <apokryphos> TIBS01: you mean downloading ;-)
[06:17] <TIBS01> will i need to reboot ?
[06:17] <_mindspin> no
[06:18] <_mindspin> log off log in will do
[06:19] <TIBS01> done ok
[06:19] <TIBS01> brb
[06:23] <tibs01> ok
[06:23] <tibs01> how do i check what version kde i got
[06:23] <apokryphos> tibs01: kde-config --version
[06:25] <_ita> ok im off cya ...
[06:26] <epinephrine> hrm
[06:27] <epinephrine> would using the SiS video driver that comes with kubuntu dapper make the lappy feel sluggish?
[06:28] <epinephrine> when dragging windows around, it uses a hell of a lot of cpu
[06:30] <penguinboy> howdy ho neighbors
[06:30] <trappist> SiS isn't very forthcoming with the info necessary to write good drivers
[06:30] <epinephrine> that's what I was afraid of
[06:30] <epinephrine> damn cheapo laptops
[06:30] <epinephrine> :p
[06:31] <trappist> yeah I almost got a helluva deal on an SiS mobo this weekend but I said wait, it's SiS
[06:31] <epinephrine> they offer their own drivers to download for linux, but it doesn't seem to be documented
[06:31] <epinephrine> it's filename is sis_drv.o-453 or something
[06:31] <epinephrine> probably different numbers
[06:32] <epinephrine> no idea what to do with it :p
[06:32] <_mindspin> isn't it a binary?
[06:32] <_mindspin> maybe just execute it
[06:40] <tibs01> when ever i try and load up my webcam
[06:40] <tibs01> it freezes my systenm
[06:41] <tibs01> system when i load up webcam2
[06:41] <tibs01> easycam2 has tobe loaded dont it to use the webcam
[06:44] <RasCaL> I just installed onto my laptop and it could not configure my wifi adapter, where do I set the channel?
[06:45] <RasCaL> It seems to not recognize my adapter
[06:47] <jshaw> what kind of adapter is it?
[06:48] <tibs01> i dont know whats up with my webcam
[06:48] <tibs01> but when ever i load it , it keeps freezaing
[06:48] <tibs01> freezing
[06:48] <tibs01> what can i do
[06:49] <RasCaL> sorry tibs01 I haven't got that far yet ;)
[06:49] <RasCaL> jshaw Ralink WLAN inside an averatec
[06:49] <jshaw> RasCal
[06:50] <jshaw> RasCal: have you ever used it with Linux before?
[06:50] <RasCaL> yes
[06:50] <RasCaL> but not on my laptop
[06:50] <jshaw> you recall what driver it used?
[06:51] <RasCaL> I run edubuntu on my desktop
[06:51] <RasCaL> jshaw no it auto configured on install
[06:51] <RasCaL> lemme check
[06:51] <RasCaL> jshaw interface ra0
[06:51] <RasCaL> no reference to drivers
[06:52] <tibs01> lol
[06:52] <RasCaL> I think I want wlan0
[06:52] <tibs01> yer my server keeps freezing
[06:52] <tibs01> erm
[06:52] <tibs01> when i run easycam2 its a client to enable the webcam driver aint it ?
[06:54] <jshaw> RasCal: driver appears to be rt2400.o
[06:54] <RasCaL> jshaw ok thank you, I am looking for it :)
[06:54] <RasCaL> I appreciate the help :)
[06:56] <jshaw> it is found in /lib/modules/<kernel version>/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2400
[06:56] <jshaw> try running a sudo modprobe rt2400 and see if it works
[06:56] <RasCaL> ok
[06:58] <jshaw> if it does.. add rt2400 to /etc/modules
[06:58] <jshaw> and it should come up for you on boot
[06:58] <RasCaL> ok :)
[07:01] <RasCaL> sorry I am a bit lost, is modprobe supposed to have any effect in the shell that woudl be noticable?
[07:01] <jshaw> no
[07:01] <RasCaL> ok but it should impact the ra0 then?
[07:02] <jshaw> you shoudl see some stuff either in dmesg, or at the very least lsmod | grep rt2400 should return something
[07:02] <RasCaL> ok
[07:15] <sharket> hello
[07:15] <sharket> i got a problem with proftpd
[07:15] <sharket> shark@mars:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd start
[07:15] <sharket> ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration.
[07:18] <eirejah> does anyone know if kubuntu will run on a p1 with 16mb ram and c: 1.2gig and d: 20gig cpu 166mhz  ??
[07:18] <sharket> yes
[07:18] <sharket> it'll do
[07:18] <robotgeek> eirejah: it will run, but will be sluggish
[07:18] <sharket> ey robotgeek hello
[07:18] <sharket> :)
[07:19] <robotgeek> eirejah: might be more "snappy" with xubuntu, or fluxbox
[07:19] <robotgeek> hey sharket
[07:19] <sharket> how's ur ppc doing
[07:19] <eirejah> robotgeek: ok thanks .. would it mainly be KDE that would slow it down?
[07:20] <Chousuke> eirejah: 16MB of RAM?
[07:20] <robotgeek> eirejah: 16mb ram.
[07:20] <Chousuke> eirejah: that won't run X
[07:20] <eirejah> no?
[07:20] <Chousuke> well, barely.
[07:20] <Chousuke> certainly won't run even xfce.
[07:21] <eirejah> ok wow
[07:21] <robotgeek> Chousuke: he should probably get ion/ratpoison then
[07:21] <Chousuke> maybe
[07:21] <Chousuke> but what apps is he going to run? :P
[07:21] <Chousuke> a couple of xterms and then he runs out of memory.
[07:21] <robotgeek> eirejah: it's going to be very painful unless you run only console apps, frankly
[07:22] <eirejah> ok cool
[07:22] <Chousuke> eirejah: yeah.
[07:22] <eirejah> thanks for the help
[07:22] <Chousuke> that'll work fine as an irssi box.
[07:22] <Chousuke> :D
[07:23] <ubijtsa> emacs is niiiice :)
[07:24] <eirejah> ok so when one installs kubuntu is there an option on the install to install only a base system or something? like im trying to help a friend here so just wondering ..is it possible to install it without KDE? all he really wants in reality is a bash shell to work with
[07:25] <robotgeek> eirejah: sure, choose server install on cd boot
[07:25] <eirejah> ok robotgeek and that will give a bash shell to work with right
[07:25] <robotgeek> eirejah: yup
[07:25] <frank23> eirejah: I don't know it much but maybe damn small linux would be more your league
[07:26] <eirejah> so type server then hit enter right?
[07:26] <eirejah> at the start where it gives the options etc
[07:26] <robotgeek> eirejah: yup.
[07:27] <eirejah> robotgeek: thanks alot man
[07:28] <robotgeek> np
[07:29] <pussfeller> the server install borked on me when I tried it
[07:29] <pussfeller> eirejah: on a machine that old, he needs something like damn small linux
[07:30] <pussfeller> dsl is pretty damn cool
[07:35] <eirejah> hmmm
[07:35] <eirejah> it turns out
[07:35] <eirejah> that he only has a 1.2 g
[07:35] <eirejah> gb
[07:35] <eirejah> the 20 gb is broke :/  lol
[07:36] <robotgeek> eirejah: get dsl then
[07:36] <eirejah> ok
[07:55] <JasonF> I'm using amorok, and when I listen to the online radio, I get constant rebufferings
[07:55] <JasonF> it'll play for ~30s
[07:55] <JasonF> then it'll just buffer and rebuffer
[07:56] <noteventime> Are you using xine or gstreamer
[07:56] <noteventime> !gstreamer
[07:56] <ubotu> noteventime: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:56] <noteventime> !xine
[07:56] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[07:57] <noteventime> !wtf
[07:57] <ubotu> wtf do you mean, noteventime ?
[07:57] <noteventime> !wtf xine
[07:57] <ubotu> noteventime: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:57] <noteventime> !love you ubuntu
[07:57] <ubotu> noteventime: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:57] <noteventime> :'(
[07:57] <frank23> JasonF: are you sure that's not a bandwidth problem?
[07:58] <JasonF> It shouldn't be. This place has a t1
[07:58] <JasonF> it is shared though
[07:58] <trappist> maybe you just need a bigger buffer
[07:58] <JasonF> no way, we're under 1/2 utilization on the T1
[07:58] <JasonF> trappist: how do you set that in amorok?
[07:58] <frank23> JasonF: the radio station then?  I've had much more success with amarok-xine
[07:58] <trappist> JasonF: no idea
[07:59] <JasonF> frank23: hrm. 3 stations fail, then one works
[07:59] <JasonF> go figure
[08:02] <frank23> JasonF: are you using streamtuner?
[08:02] <JasonF> frank23: what is that?
[08:02] <JasonF> frank23: I just went to the list of radio stations
[08:02] <JasonF> picked a couple
[08:02] <JasonF> assumed it'd work
[08:02] <frank23> JasonF: it's a program to tune in to internet radio stations. 1000s of them! ;)
[08:03] <JasonF> hrm
[08:03] <JasonF> frank23: *installs*
[08:04] <JasonF> frank23: is it a gui app? it didn't add to the debian menu
[08:05] <frank23> JasonF: yes its gui. I see it in multimedia
[08:07] <JasonF> noooooooo!!! gtk apps in kde are evil!
[08:08] <frank23> JasonF: that bad? gtk-qt-engine makes them look pretty similar
[08:11] <JasonF> frank23: thanks for the tip
[08:14] <ep> speaking of gtk apps, I had to switch to GAIM cause kopete always showed me and everybody else as "offline" on the ICQ network.  Seems like this type of bug should be fixed by now.
[08:18] <ep> I'm trying to move to QT apps, i used to use xchat but I've found Konversation to be really nice, so I'm using it of late.
[08:18] <ep> Firefox is gtk, right?   I  use it:)
[08:25] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:29] <placisfos> @toto
[08:30] <epinephrine> I'm trying to remove amarok to downgrade it to a non-beta version (1.4-beta2 seems to ignore the checkbox that disables the splash screen) but I don't know why it's also trying to remove kubuntu-desktop, which I kinda need. any way to make it leave kubuntu-desktop alone?
[08:31] <trappist> epinephrine: kubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that depends on amarok.  it doesn't do anything and you don't need it.
[08:31] <epinephrine> safe to let apt remove it with amarok then?
[08:31] <bimberi> !ubuntu-desktop
[08:31] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when ugprading.
[08:31] <epinephrine> that makes things easier, ta
[08:31] <bimberi> epinephrine: ^^^^ applies to kubuntu-desktop too
[08:38] <epinephrine> k, got amarok 1.3.something back now, thanks a lot trappist and bimberi ;)
[08:42] <bimberi> epinephrine: np :)  - you can probably reinstall kubuntu-desktop now (just make sure it doesn't bring back the later amarok)
[08:44] <visik7> anyone using bacula ?
[08:46] <ubuntu> hi
[08:48] <visik7> kcmshell change group of the user u are using locking the current user to sudo at all
[08:50] <visik7> s/kcmshell/"kcmshell fileshare"/
[08:50] <ubuntu> help me please!!! i'n can't install kubuntu drapper
[08:51] <Tm_T> ubuntu: please give more information
[08:53] <_mindspin> visik: I use bacula
[08:53] <TecnoVM64> hello people, anybody knows how to place trash and mounted drives icons to the desktop?
[08:56] <ubuntu> Tm_T> i have a virtual RAM memory error.... OH!!! sorry for my english,  .. eis very bad :D
[08:57] <Tm_T> aha
[08:57] <Tm_T> hmm, virtual RAM error... doesn't say anything to me
[08:58] <Tm_T> ubuntu: when that appears?
[08:58] <ubuntu> Tm_T> the error is "Can't find /dev/ram"
[08:58] <digip1mp> when's the next final release coming out?
[08:59] <jshaw_> When it is done?
[08:59] <ubuntu> Tm_T> appears when i click in "Install to hard disk"
[09:00] <tchize> Hello
[09:00] <jshaw_> ubuntu: that means it can't mount the ramdisk the install CD loads to boot off of
[09:01] <Tm_T> ah, espresso installer?
[09:01] <tchize> I tried to run amarok for the first time on my kubuntu as it seem to be the default multimedia player. I get this message at startup: "A GStreamer register is missing. Check you installed necessary GStreamer modules (OGG, mp3) and you ran gst-register.
[09:02] <Tm_T> what amarok version? 1.3.1?
[09:02] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/
[09:02] <tchize> 1.3.1
[09:02] <Tm_T> too old
[09:02] <Tm_T> upgrade ;)
[09:03] <prozac_field> for Kubuntu there is xine...
[09:03] <prozac_field> install aamrok-xine
[09:03] <Tm_T> tchize: check that page I mentioned up there
[09:03] <tchize> shouldn't needed file have been installed by default?
[09:03] <tchize> the anouncment on amarok on page you pointed me is for dapper
[09:03] <ubuntu> jshw> i don't know >D
[09:04] <Tm_T> tchize: hum?
[09:04] <Tm_T> tchize: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-amarok-beta2.php
[09:04] <Tm_T> read
[09:04] <Tm_T> ah!
[09:04] <apokryphos> Tm_T: yeah, but that's only for dapper. Breezy has old taglib
[09:04] <Tm_T> sorry, wait
[09:04] <apokryphos> =)
[09:05] <apokryphos> tchize: install new taglib -- trivial to do.
[09:05] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.8.php
[09:05] <apokryphos> that's too old too :P
[09:05] <Tm_T> better than 1.3.1
[09:05] <Tm_T> apokryphos: beta2 is old to me ;(
[09:05] <apokryphos> !find taglib
[09:05] <apokryphos> !find libtag
[09:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libtag' (8 shown): libtag1-dev ;; libtag1-doc ;; libtag1c2 ;; libtagc0 ;; libtagc0-dev ;; libtagcoll-dev ;; libtagcoll0c2 ;; libtagcoll1-dev.
[09:06] <Tm_T> apokryphos: it's yours now ;)
[09:06] <apokryphos> 8)
[09:06] <Tm_T> dizzy ->
[09:06] <apokryphos> tchize: sudo apt-get build-dep libtag1c2, then get the taglib source http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html  and simply ./configure && make && sudo make install
[09:06] <tchize> Tm_T ok i'll install 1.3.8, am just wondering if amarok was supposed to be working with a default breezy installation
[09:07] <apokryphos> tchize: it was, and it does
[09:07] <apokryphos> tchize: just not for mp3s as the codecs are proprietary
[09:07] <tchize> apokryphos, ok, so i must be unlucky that it complain about gstreamer :)
[09:08] <apokryphos> tchize: like I said, it won't, by default, play mp3s.
[09:09] <tchize> i didn't even try to load a mp3 :)
[09:10] <apokryphos> tchize: what did you try to play?
[09:10] <tchize> nothing
[09:10] <tchize> i just started amarok and got the message
[09:10] <tchize> started from kde menu
[09:10] <apokryphos> tchize: oh right, just checked the message now. Odd.
[09:11] <apokryphos> Tm_T: how is amarok svn now by the way? It's been a few weeks :)
[09:11] <apokryphos> Tm_T: wonder if iPod support for it is working properly. Haven't been able to transfer songs to the ipod through amarok in weeeks
[09:11] <tchize> btw i got a similar message with kaffeine a few days ago, i was suggested to replace kaffeine-gstreamer by kaffeine-xine :/
[09:12] <apokryphos> tchize: yes, xine is the way to go for multimedia :)
[09:12] <paines> hi
[09:12] <ubuntu> Mrs... i can install drapper from shell ?
[09:12] <tchize> yes, i just mean, the default install on everytinhg in kubuntu breezy around gstreamer seems broken :(
[09:12] <jjesse> do you know how to edit your sources.ist from shell?
[09:14] <ubuntu> jjesse: vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:14] <Tm_T> apokryphos: fine, no idea about ipod support
[09:16] <jjesse> is there a reason that mozilla is requirement for installing eclipse?
[09:17] <jjesse> ubuntu: sorry then just change the breezy to dapper in the sources list, update everything and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:19] <tchize> mmm nice adept did crash at amarok update :/
[09:20] <apokryphos> tchize: install amarok 1.4 -- it's a lot better, and stable.
[09:21] <tchize> Amarok 1.4 can not easily be supported on Kubuntu 5.10 (breezy) <-- written on annoucement page
[09:22] <tchize> (still have the message with 1.3.8 btw)
[09:22] <Tm_T> "not easy" as it requires more than clicking one button
[09:22] <ubuntu> Ok... good bye mrs...
[09:22] <tomas_> are there any devs. here?
[09:22] <tchize> "easy" is the main reason i switched from debian to ubuntu :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> tomas_: devs of what?
[09:23] <CellarDoor> hello all
[09:23] <tomas_> somewhat high i guess :/
[09:23] <Tm_T> :p
[09:23] <tomas_> i have a suggestion for ubuntu/kubuntu
[09:23] <CellarDoor> I've upgraded to kde 3.5.1 but seem to have a bit of a problem with Kontact
[09:23] <Tm_T> tomas_: what you need
[09:23] <CellarDoor> kmail isn't there
[09:23] <CellarDoor> I've lost my email
[09:23] <Tm_T> apt-get install kmail
[09:23] <CellarDoor> oh ok
[09:23] <CellarDoor> so its just a glitch then ?
[09:23] <Tm_T> with sudo
[09:24] <Tm_T> yeah, prolly it's not installed
[09:24] <ubuntu> kubuntu it's the same to the other distros.... nothing extraordinary!!!
[09:24] <CellarDoor> ok installing new kmail now
[09:25] <tchize> i just don't want to start mixing stable and unstable repositorie in my kubuntu, i did it in my debian, it was my greatest mistake :)
[09:25] <ubuntu> with reason they retarded it :D
[09:25] <nico8481> hi
[09:25] <tomas_> Tm_T: sometimes you install a package with some dependencies and when you uninstall the original package those "extra packages" are still there. I would like to have a "package restoration function" in ubuntu/kubuntu that lets you undo package installations
[09:25] <CellarDoor> ubuntu, whats your problem ? kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde
[09:27] <ubuntu> well-known devil is better q devil to know
[09:27] <ubuntu> XDDDDDDDDdddd
[09:27] <CellarDoor> ?
[09:27] <ubuntu> CellarDoor: i can't installl kubuntu drapper
[09:28] <morrow> tomplast_brb: if you install via aptitute it will be removed, once nothing needs this depency anymore
[09:28] <CellarDoor> ah I have my kmail back now
[09:28] <CellarDoor> :D
[09:28] <ubuntu> Xd
[09:29] <ubuntu> XD
[09:29] <CellarDoor> ubuntu: I'm not going to try to install dapper until the official release comes out
[09:31] <ubuntu> i'm a MDV2066 user... i want test kubuntu drapper for view wish is the best XDDDD and the install proces not run
[09:31] <Tm_T> tomplast_brb: well, aptitude has it
[09:33] <chopemax> hi, i had changed my user group and lost my ability to sudo, then i changed it to admin regaining this, however now i cannot acces /dev/dsp or /dev/hdd... i don't understand too much about this.. any ideas?
[09:34] <CellarDoor> ubuntu: what seems to be happening ?
[09:35] <tomplast_brb> Tm_T: aptitude isnt graphical AFAIK, or am I wrong?
[09:35] <Tm_T> tomplast: graphical? is that something eatable?
[09:35] <vicks> konqueror is supposed to have an newticker in the sidebar, has anyone got this in 3.5.1? i don't.
[09:35] <tomplast> Tm_T: =?
[09:35] <tchize> mm i think all those gstreamer things are real craps :/
[09:36] <tomplast> Tm_T: ha ha, nice joke
[09:36] <eirejah> grub or lilo .. which would be easiest on a really crappy system with no ram etc? or does it make any difference
[09:36] <tomplast> :/
[09:36] <Tm_T> vicks: if you have akregator installed
[09:36] <Tm_T> tomplast: anyway, I hope adept has it one day, as an option
[09:36] <ubuntu> somebody recommends a forum to me where to expose my questions over drapper?
[09:36] <CellarDoor> I think gstreamer sucks too... never worked properly for me, switched back to xine in minutes
[09:36] <tomplast> Tm_T: mmm, so do I. sooon. really soon........
[09:36] <Tm_T> :p
[09:37] <Tm_T> I don't need it
[09:37] <CellarDoor> ubuntu: are you using a BenQ drive ?
[09:37] <tchize> CellarDoor: that's currently what am doing :)
[09:37] <chopemax> nobody?
[09:37] <CellarDoor> tchize: :P
[09:37] <kuzmaster> hey
[09:37] <CellarDoor> hey
[09:37] <tchize> just hope it's either fixed in dapper, either replaced by xine :)
[09:37] <tomplast> Tm_T: also it would be nice with a "welcome to kubuntu" screen thingy after first login
[09:37] <Tm_T> tomplast: yeah, I think so too
[09:37] <tomplast> Tm_T: the question is who will do it :p
[09:38] <tomplast> just
[09:38] <ubuntu> CellarDoor: no, i use LG DVD
[09:38] <Tm_T> tomplast: actually it could be done in minutes
[09:38] <kuzmaster> can some one plz tell me how to prevent kubuntu from goin into text mode for the login?
[09:38] <CellarDoor> gstreamer was a show stopper for me... I dont get why developers like it, I couldnt get it to do play alot of things (yes I installed all plugins etc etc)
[09:38] <Tm_T> hah
[09:38] <tomplast> Tm_T: mmm
[09:38] <kuzmaster> any one?
[09:39] <ubuntu> CellarDoor: with debian install no problem.... it's the same?
[09:39] <tomplast> Tm_T: i really should learn to program for qt or kde some day :p
[09:39] <tchize> CellarDoor: all i can get from gstreamer i constantly a box telling 'am badly installed, lacking modules'
[09:39] <CellarDoor> ubuntu: hmm... I mentioned your drive because some people have had to upgrade their firmware before kubuntu/ubuntu would install
[09:39] <Tm_T> tomplast: best start is to hang around some kde-app-channel and suck infulences ;)
[09:39] <tomplast> Tm_T: oki :)
[09:40] <Tm_T> I think
[09:40] <kuzmaster> can some one plz tell me how to prevent kubuntu from goin into text mode for the login?
[09:40] <kuzmaster> can some one plz tell me how to prevent kubuntu from goin into text mode for the login?
[09:40] <kuzmaster> sorry 4 da double post
[09:40] <ubuntu> CellarDoor: I am going to prove with another unit of CDROM and come back
[09:40] <CellarDoor> tchize: you could try installing more modules :P (I did that and it still played up though)
[09:40] <tomplast> Tm_T: you are surely right about that :). is kdevelop3 good btw?
[09:40] <CellarDoor> ubuntu: ok
[09:40] <tchize> haaa xine engine seems to work :)
[09:40] <Tm_T> kuzmaster: repeating doesn't help you
[09:40] <kuzmaster> i diddnt mean 2
[09:40] <CellarDoor> tchize: yeah, thats why I use xine, it just works.
[09:40] <Tm_T> tomplast: I think so, I don't use it myself though
[09:41] <tomplast> Tm_T: Mr Konsole?
[09:41] <tchize> cellardoor: i can't see which additionnal module i should install. the ascii art one? :p
[09:41] <Tm_T> tomplast: just Kate or nano
[09:41] <tomplast> Tm_T: ah :)
[09:41] <CellarDoor> tchize: filter out gstreamer in Adept and see what comes up thats not installed (if you havent already done that)
[09:41] <Tm_T> and I have my scripts to do all building so kdevelop wouldnt make it easier
[09:42] <tomplast> Tm_T: btw, is there any way to install software remotely on several machines at the same time with edubuntu installed?
[09:42] <Tm_T> tomplast: ssh? ;(
[09:42] <tomplast> Tm_T: some graphical?
[09:43] <Tm_T> you can't say "apt-get install foo" in several Konsole tabs?
[09:43] <tomplast> Tm_T: I'm planning to install linux on some more machines and show the potential for people :)
[09:43] <Tm_T> aah
[09:43] <tchize> cellardoor: i did :)
[09:43] <tomplast> Tm_T: it would really be nice if there was a way to control every computer in a few clicks
[09:43] <Tm_T> but you know, you can't win the power of cli and scripting with any gui
[09:43] <CellarDoor> tchize: use xine :P
[09:43] <tomplast> Tm_T: some remote admin tool
[09:44] <tchize> that what i did
[09:44] <tchize> but damn the sound comming out of xine is awfull :'(
[09:44] <CellarDoor> oh
[09:44] <Tm_T> tomplast: no idea, never needed myself, apt-cache search might help ;)
[09:44] <CellarDoor> through what app ?
[09:44] <tchize> amarok
[09:44] <CellarDoor> prolly just need to change some settings
[09:44] <tchize> .... wait, checking something
[09:45] <Tm_T> tomplast: look, http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> tchize the volume is probably set too high so it is distorting (same happened to me with ice-1712 soundcard)
[09:45] <tomplast> Tm_T: QT is often used in Kubuntu right? Is it recommended to use it?
[09:45] <Tm_T> tomplast: I would recommend atleast
[09:46] <Aapzak> hey kubuntu people
[09:46] <tchize> ok, sound quality problem fixed
[09:46] <tchize> was just a small setting to change
[09:46] <Tm_T> tchize: good :)
[09:46] <CellarDoor> :)
[09:46] <tchize> i was using my headset
[09:46] <tomplast> Tm_T: about ssh, I use it often when communicating with a server that I run at school but doing ssh at several computers at the same time I dont know about :p
[09:47] <tchize> it is made for human voice, not music :p
[09:47] <tchize> changed to headphones :)
[09:47] <tomplast> hi Aapzak
[09:47] <CellarDoor> has anyone used kde with xgl/compiz yet ?
[09:47] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: I have
[09:47] <CellarDoor> I heard there was some latency
[09:47] <tomplast> i think xgl is overestimated
[09:47] <CellarDoor> Aapzak: how was it
[09:47] <Aapzak> it's pretty useless at the moment
[09:47] <Tm_T> tomplast: it's just ssh session in several tabs of Konsole, and then copy&paste&paste&paste... ;)
[09:48] <CellarDoor> Aapzak: unstable ?
[09:48] <Aapzak> no, not at all, but really not developed for KDE
[09:48] <apokryphos> xgl is very nice :)
[09:48] <Aapzak> it works pretty onder gnome
[09:48] <CellarDoor> thats really annoying
[09:48] <apokryphos> Aapzak: it was developed "for gnome"; the window manager doesn't really  have any gnome-specific settings
[09:48] <tomplast> Tm_T: let's say that there are 200 computers to admin :p. it would be a lot easier if i just could press a button in a program that upgrade all software on all machines :)
[09:49] <apokryphos> though atm since it's in such early stages some things are easier for gnome, like the editor. Only gconf
[09:49] <CellarDoor> the kde devels dont seem very impressed
[09:49] <Aapzak> and ...
[09:49] <apokryphos> Aapzak: *it wasn't
[09:49] <Tm_T> tomplast: true
[09:49] <Aapzak> kwin is a bit harder to replace
[09:49] <Tm_T> tomplast: script :p
[09:49] <apokryphos> I still think it's a little odd/problematic that it uses a different WM
[09:50] <tomplast> Tm_T: just what I thought. a simple QTprogram could be made for that task :)
[09:50] <apokryphos> s/little/very/
[09:50] <apokryphos> though I can perhaps see why it was done
[09:50] <tomplast> Tm_T: is it better to use qt with python for a beginner like me? i do only know c, assembly, basic, visual basic and some web scripting :p
[09:50] <Tm_T> tomplast: pyKDE
[09:51] <tomplast> pyKDE *-)
[09:51] <Tm_T> why not
[09:51] <Tm_T> you can't know before you try ;)
[09:51] <Aapzak> I used xgl/compiz with gnome, but several kde apps refuse to work, they just freeze, and my best friend konqueror starts somewhere I can't see him
[09:51] <apokryphos> python is pretty much always suggested now as among the best ways of "getting into programming"
[09:51] <Aapzak> with KDE I mean
[09:52] <apokryphos> Aapzak: well, I guess we'll have to wait till suse 10.1 to see what it's really like.
[09:52] <Tm_T> tomplast: make it to do something like this: you define multiple ips or ip range, it takes ssh connection and sends command to them all
[09:52] <Tm_T> etc
[09:52] <Kyral> Python owns :D
[09:52] <apokryphos> or with Novell 9 if I could try it
[09:52] <Aapzak> apokryphos: I agree, this whole xg/compiz is still very alpha
[09:52] <apokryphos> Aapzak: especially on xorg 6.8
[09:52] <Aapzak> but pretty stable
[09:52] <tomplast> Tm_T: can you give me a link to some nice tutorial for pyKDE?
[09:52] <Kyral> I hate the fact I have to take a Java course next semester
[09:52] <tchize> java is wonderfull
[09:52] <Tm_T> tomplast: sorry, no idea :(
[09:53] <tchize> :)
[09:53] <Kyral> ick Java
[09:53] <tomplast> Tm_T: oki :p
[09:53] <Kyral> Perl!
[09:53] <Tm_T> java is evil
[09:53] <apokryphos> booo
[09:53] <Kyral> TIMTODY :D
[09:54] <nico8481> anybody using SCIM ?
[09:54] <tomplast> Tm_T: JAVA is nice in a way but slower than a donkey
[09:54] <Kyral> Yah thats why I hate Java
[09:54] <Kyral> lol
[09:54] <tomplast> i like jrisk so stop complaining :P
[09:54] <Kyral> Damn Runtime :D
[09:54] <tomplast> and freemind :p
[09:54] <tchize> java is not slow
[09:54] <tomplast> freemind is wonderful :D
[09:54] <tomplast> compared to "REAL" languages it is :)
[09:55] <tomplast> cause you always need a virtual machine that translates the bytecode into something useful
[09:55] <tomplast> yeah
[09:55] <tomplast> Kyral: thats a REAL language
[09:55] <tomplast> Kyral: the ONLY
[09:55] <Kyral> tomplast: yah and I hate it lol
[09:55] <CellarDoor> Apollon or Limewire... I know which I prefer (and its not the one that is a java app)
[09:55] <tomplast> mov trashcan, windows
[09:55] <Kyral> lemme use Python damnit :P
[09:55] <tchize> well that's exactly the argument used year ago to not use C but better program in assembler. java has a very small overhead compared to it's advantages :)
[09:55] <Tm_T> tomplast: I repeat, java is evil
[09:55] <tomplast> Kyral: Assembly is a great language
[09:55] <tomplast> yeah it is but i like freemind :P
[09:56] <Kyral> screw it I wanna learn LISP
[09:56] <kuzmaster> i wanna learn  how to prevent kubuntu from goin into text mode for the login?
[09:56] <Tm_T> tomplast: people say "java is like how programming languages should be, java apps are like applications should never be"
[09:57] <tomplast> mm
[09:57] <tomplast> Tm_T: i never liked java in school :p
[09:57] <kuzmaster> if sombody could help me maybe?
[09:57] <tomplast> Tm_T: where are you from btw?
[09:57] <Tm_T> it's easy, too easy so noone cares about quality anymore
[09:57] <Tm_T> tomplast: Finland
[09:57] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: It shouldn't bu default
[09:57] <tomplast> frstr du svenska :p ?
[09:57] <CellarDoor> bu = by
[09:58] <tchize> people are complaining on java apps using arguments which, for most i hearded, comes from the early jvm. There is very big difference between java 1.2 and java 1.5 ;)
[09:58] <kuzmaster> but it is
[09:58] <Tm_T> tomplast: jag talar bara lite svenska
[09:58] <tomplast> aha ;)
[09:58] <Tm_T> hmm, not sure if that was correct :p
[09:58] <tomplast> Tm_T: it was acceptable but it could be a lot better :p
[09:58] <tomplast> as my english :P
[09:58] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: could try something like 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' (if I remember correctly)
[09:58] <tomplast> like
[09:58] <kuzmaster> it did it b4 and i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:58] <kuzmaster> it has worked b4
[09:58] <CellarDoor> ok
[09:58] <tomplast> Tm_T: there must be some remote administrating tool for linux :/
[09:59] <kuzmaster> and wen i reconfigured xserver, after that it worked for one boot, but then it diddnt work
[09:59] <tomplast> Tm_T: wanna play legends?
[09:59] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: thats strange
[09:59] <digip1mp> tomplast, webmin?
[09:59] <kuzmaster> ino
[10:00] <Tm_T> tomplast: ?
[10:00] <tomplast> digip1mp: can you administrate remote computers with it?
[10:00] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: try again ?
[10:00] <digip1mp> tomplast, vnc?  ssh?  webmin?
[10:00] <tomplast> Tm_T: haven't you played legend? install it if you havent ;)
[10:00] <InteliWasp> do i need to do anything special to use my ipod with kubuntu?
[10:00] <kuzmaster> i have
[10:00] <tomplast> digip1mp: i have tried vnc, ssh and webmin but i dont see your point *-)
[10:00] <digip1mp> define administrate?
[10:01] <Tm_T> tomplast: hmm, not sure, with this medication I'm not totally sure if I even be here =)
[10:01] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: I dont know what else to do except reinstalling kubuntu desktop (I'm still a bit of a n00b)
[10:01] <tomplast> digip1mp: like installing packages for many computers with a single click
[10:02] <kuzmaster> hmmmmm, ill stick around and see if i can gather more help
[10:02] <digip1mp> hrm... you could rsync...
[10:02] <tomplast> Tm_T: its a really nice shooter and its sad that almost none are playing when there are servers :/
[10:02] <tomplast> digip1mp: i know but i want some frontend for it
[10:02] <ryanakca> is there an apache configuration front-end?
[10:02] <digip1mp> tomplast, sure there's something out there to suit your needs.  the hard part is finding one of the hundreds people have written
[10:02] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: u using breezy ?
[10:02] <kuzmaster> yeah
[10:02] <kuzmaster> 5.10
[10:02] <CellarDoor> ok
[10:03] <tomplast> digip1mp: mm, thanks anyway
[10:03] <tomplast> come on guys, start legends :)
[10:03] <tomplast> playtime :D
[10:03] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: is your graphics nvidia or ati ?
[10:03] <kuzmaster> ummmmmm
[10:03] <kuzmaster> its on-board
[10:03] <CellarDoor> ok
[10:03] <kuzmaster> SiS i think?
[10:04] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: I'm not sure if this will help, but I'm looking at this forum atm - http://www.techsupportforum.com/linux-operating-systems-applications/80232-kubuntu-5-10-x-wont.html
[10:05] <kuzmaster> this has more detail of my problem
[10:05] <kuzmaster> http://groups.google.com/group/absolute-linux-computing/browse_thread/thread/e518bedb7d5e85b0/6c2cce7e275868d3#6c2cce7e275868d3
[10:05] <kuzmaster> i posted it
[10:07] <CellarDoor> kuzmaster: does it start if you type startx ?
[10:07] <CellarDoor> oh sorry
[10:07] <kuzmaster> nope, the message is listed in that google post
[10:08] <CellarDoor> you already said, I see
[10:10] <kuzmaster> im gonna go try if it will work now
[10:13] <mcscruff> lo all
[10:14] <Naail> :o I just installed Flash! and I'm a NooB :D
[10:14] <CellarDoor> lo
[10:14] <CellarDoor> Naail: :)
[10:14] <Naail> I am however going blind looking at this white screen :(
[10:15] <CellarDoor> white ?
[10:15] <CellarDoor> youre using konversation ?
[10:15] <Naail> ya.. ok can of worms here lol
[10:16] <Naail> hmm yes.. is there something else I could use *grins* perhaps?
[10:16] <ryanakca> is there an apache configuration front-end?
[10:16] <CellarDoor> Naail: why dont you just change the background colour ?
[10:16] <ryanakca> Naail: irssi...
[10:17] <Naail> yeah, trying too (thats the can of worms lol)
[10:17] <torrents> hi I would need some help pz
[10:17] <torrents> plz
[10:17] <CellarDoor> Settings > Configure Conversation > Colors
[10:17] <ryanakca> theres xchat too... but then, its not any better
[10:17] <CellarDoor> *Konversation
[10:17] <Petecakes> does gtk come preinstalled on Kubuntu?
[10:17] <mcscruff> dont think so
[10:17] <CellarDoor> Petecakes: no
[10:17] <Petecakes> Thanks.
[10:18] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:18] <Petecakes> See, if it came preinstalled, it would be less effort for me.
[10:18] <Petecakes> I'm just too lazy for my own good... :P
[10:18] <Naail> ty ty :)
[10:19] <CellarDoor> Petecakes: apt-get install...
[10:19] <ryanakca> I thought gimp was preinstalled on kubuntu.... I must just be imagining it...
[10:19] <mart> krita is.... can't see gimp
[10:20] <ryanakca> drats
[10:20] <ryanakca> gimp IS the bestest...
[10:20] <mart> mmph
[10:20] <CellarDoor> sudo apt-get install gimp
[10:20] <Petecakes> CellarDoor; my Kubuntu PC isn't connected to the net, so I won't have access to repositories. I'll have to download the files and burn them onto a disc, right?
[10:20] <tchize> i know you won't like this question but
[10:20] <CellarDoor> Petecakes: argh yes
[10:20] <mart> Petecakes: see apt-zip
[10:20] <tchize> what it the package i need to get mp3 support for xine?
[10:22] <ryanakca> Petecakes: yeah.. then just mount the disk, make sure all the .deb are alone in a seperate directory then go "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[10:22] <ryanakca> it'll install all of the debs in that directory, so make sure that you only have debs that you want to install...
[10:22] <Petecakes> ryanakca; thanks.
[10:23] <uNdEr-gr> I have Fujitsu AMILO laptop and i am trying to get Kubuntu working. I have installed it succesfully, but when it loads, it freezes, ath "Starting hotplug subsystem"
[10:23] <Petecakes> I'll need to go out and buy myself some wireless networking stuff some day so I can get my Kubuntu PC on the net.
[10:24] <uNdEr-gr> any idea ?
[10:25] <Naail> what do I need to install for DVD and Video files to work? Codecs? who where how?
[10:25] <Naail> *will it hurt?
[10:25] <Naail> :)
[10:26] <admrl> Naail:!plf
[10:26] <admrl> !plf
[10:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf, mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[10:26] <CellarDoor> !mp3
[10:26] <admrl> there we go
[10:26] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:27] <CellarDoor> ah
[10:27] <admrl> :D
[10:27] <CellarDoor> tchize: there you go
[10:27] <uniq> !easyubuntu
[10:27] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[10:28] <mart> I'm suspicious of easybuntu....
[10:28] <mart> "KDE/QT integration: QT/KDE apps with a GNOME look'n'feel (work in progress)"
[10:29] <tchize> cellardoor: in fact was already supported :p i jst asked amarok to scan the wrong directory, a directory where there were only a few ogg so i though it didn't scan mp3 ;p
[10:29] <mart> doesn't sound good
[10:29] <CellarDoor> tchize: ah there you go then :P
[10:29] <mornfall> tchize: which adept version, if i may ask?
[10:29] <tchize> 1.0
[10:30] <CellarDoor> mart: not that you really need it
[10:30] <bkjones> anyone else seeing mplayer/xine/totem segfault after updating gcc/libgcc?
[10:30] <mornfall> tchize: ah, okey
[10:30] <mart> CellarDoor: need what?
[10:30] <admrl> mart: i agree
[10:30] <CellarDoor> easybuntu
[10:30] <mart> CellarDoor: no, but it's a pain to have to install these things by hand
[10:31] <admrl> mart: apt-get isnt really much by hand
[10:31] <CellarDoor> you only have to make sure you have sources and apt-get
[10:31] <CellarDoor> and you only have to do it once
[10:31] <admrl> you can add repos in synaptic
[10:31] <admrl> i think its about as easy as it can get
[10:31] <mart> the only sources I know (and trust) are video.debian.free.fr
[10:32] <mart> and I have to rebuild those packages
[10:32] <CellarDoor> ?
[10:32] <mart> well, their built against what ever version of stuff is in debian
[10:32] <mart> so I get the sources and debuild them
[10:33] <mart> god only knows who maintains the easybuntu repos
[10:33] <mart> or how secure they are
[10:33] <CellarDoor> its a script
[10:33] <CellarDoor> not repos
[10:33] <CellarDoor> good grief
[10:33] <mart> CellarDoor: the script installs new apt sources
[10:34] <mart> CellarDoor: at least, it did when I looked at it
[10:34] <mart> CellarDoor: good grief what?
[10:34] <CellarDoor> sounds like you just like doing things the hard way... ok then
[10:35] <mart> CellarDoor: no, I'd prefer an easier way, but until I trust them to maintain secure repos...
[10:35] <mart> CellarDoor: besides, I don't think they maintain it for dapper
[10:35] <mart> (maybe I'm wrong on that)
[10:36] <simian> just out of interest, how often does adept updater check for updates?
[10:36] <mornfall> simian: nightly, it should
[10:37] <mornfall> simian: fact is, if you don't have (gnome) update-notifier, it won't at all ;-)
[10:37] <CellarDoor> all it does is enable multiverse repos etc by the looks of it
[10:37] <buddy> hallo
[10:37] <CellarDoor> hello buddy
[10:37] <mart> CellarDoor: oh, and plf
[10:37] <mornfall> simian: but it will be fixed in 1.91 to work even if no ubuntu notifier is installed
[10:37] <buddy> how can i install new themes? I have downloaded the xp full theme from kde-look.org but how do i install it?
[10:37] <CellarDoor> well you dont need plf
[10:38] <mart> CellarDoor: sun java isn't in multiverse
[10:38] <simian> mornfall: lol so at the moment it just sits on you desktop looking pretty lol
[10:38] <mart> CellarDoor: you don't think it's a bit suspicious that there are no real names associated with easybuntu?
[10:38] <morzel> hy
[10:39] <mornfall> simian: almost :] 
[10:39] <Kyral> mart: robotgeek is associated with EasyUbuntu
[10:39] <morzel> how can I check my currently cpu speed?
[10:39] <mart> Kyral: that's not a real name
[10:39] <CellarDoor> mart: what do you mean no real names ?
[10:39] <mornfall> simian: the fact is, it is not the notifier that download updates but a cronjob -- the adept package just fails to set up the cronjob correctly by itself
[10:40] <mornfall> simian: so from the position of notifier, it is in fact a minor problem :)
[10:40] <mart> why are they hiding?  have they something to be ashamed of?
[10:40] <Kyral> mart: Just ask
[10:40] <simian> mornfall: i see
[10:40] <Kyral> real Hackers don't have anything to hide
[10:40] <Kyral> you want to know my name, just /whois me
[10:41] <CellarDoor> mart: have you checked their blogs, they dont seem to be hiding
[10:41] <mart> Kyral: oh, you are robotgeek?
[10:41] <Kyral> mart:
[10:41] <Kyral> no
[10:41] <Kyral> robotgeek: is :P
[10:41] <simian> mornfall: for now i'll just apt-get update/upgrade then
[10:41] <Kyral> I'm just the idiot that has to package it eventually
[10:41] <mornfall> and now, let me go to bed ... good night ladies and gentlemen
[10:41] <simian> mornfall: good night
[10:42] <CellarDoor> robotgeek is Venkat Raghavan
[10:43] <mart> hmm, if he's read EGB he can't be all bad :)
[10:43] <Naail> :o
[10:44] <tchize> mmm is there a reason why konqueror says 'can not read . ' when accessing a ftp?
[10:44] <Kyral> if you cared :P
[10:44] <uNdEr-gr> I have Fujitsu AMILO laptop and i am trying to get Kubuntu working. I have installed it succesfully, but when it loads, it freezes, ath "Starting hotplug subsystem"
[10:44] <uNdEr-gr> any idea ?
[10:44] <Naail> brb
[10:46] <CellarDoor> Kyral: he thinks youre all conspirators, hiding behind aliases and plotting to destroy us all ;)
[10:46] <Kyral> Alias? What Alias?
[10:46] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:47] <nico8481> where is KDE's notepad?
[10:47] <mart> nico8481: K->Utilities
[10:47] <CellarDoor> Kmenu > Utilities > Kate
[10:47] <Kyral> hmm
[10:47] <Kyral> Suicide...
[10:48] <Kyral> this will be
[10:48] <nico8481> oh yes... didn't see it.. thx
[10:48] <Kyral> subscribing to TKML I am
[10:48] <mart> Kyral: it's painless, according to the manics.
[10:48] <nico8481> (strange name for a notepad :p)
[10:48] <CellarDoor> nico8481: Kate = KDE Advanced Text Editor
[10:49] <CellarDoor> or just k advanced text editor
[10:49] <CellarDoor> or just kate
[10:49] <Parkotron> nico8481: If you'd like something a little less daunting than Kate, try installing KEdit.
[10:49] <tchize> if you want a better named one, try kwrite :p
[10:49] <CellarDoor> Kate is daunting ?
[10:50] <mart> I hate to think what emacs-snapshot is
[10:50] <CellarDoor> dont do it
[10:50] <CellarDoor> !
[10:50] <ubotu> CellarDoor: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:50] <tchize> i promise a box of chocolate to the first one that transcript me the lyrics of http://www.tchize.be/files/13-Some Other Time.ogg (contact infols on website)
[10:51] <CellarDoor> oh lol... unintentional bot abuse there
[10:51] <mart> emacs-snapshot is wonderful - but not for the easily daunted.
[10:51] <Parkotron> CellarDoor: If you were looking for notepad.exe and opened Kate I think you'd get a bit of a surprise. Side bars, bottom bars, 10 top level menu entries, features out the wazoo, etc.
[10:51] <mart> wine comes with a notepad.exe :)
[10:52] <CellarDoor> Parkotron: then again you might say, 'oh it actually has features' ;)
[10:52] <Parkotron> CellarDoor: Don't get me wrong, like Kate and use it where appropriate, but often times it's just to much for simple editting so I use Kedit.
[10:53] <Parkotron> And Kwrite is awkwardly in between the two.
[10:53] <tchize> i promise a box of chocolate to the first one that transcript me the lyrics of http://www.tchize.be/files/13-Some_Other_Time.ogg (contact infos on website)
[10:53] <CellarDoor> tchize: what sort of chocolates ?
[10:53] <tchize> blegian
[10:53] <tchize> belgian
[10:53] <tchize> it's worth it, considering nobody seems able to transcript it :/
[10:54] <CellarDoor> its not streaming
[10:54] <mart> works here
[10:54] <mart> no words yet
[10:54] <mart> good grief!
[10:54] <tchize> :)
[10:54] <Naail> that easy ubuntu looks cool but its generating errors :(
[10:55] <mart> Naail: what sort?
[10:55] <Naail> Failed Packs I think
[10:55] <CellarDoor> ok its playing now
[10:55] <CellarDoor> noatun didnt like it
[10:56] <Naail> (synaptic:5045): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_set_skip_taskbar_hint: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
[10:57] <Naail> was an awesome run though :D
[10:57] <CellarDoor> tchize: is that even in english ?
[10:57] <mart> what the hell? spammers who send mail from abuse@ their domain ...  just to make sure you know there's no point complaining :(
[10:58] <tchize> CellarDoor: an english born told me once 'looks like english as sung from a japanese who don't speak english' :)
[10:58] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:59] <Naail> Bleeding Edge just gives ma an abort
[11:00] <CellarDoor> Naail: I think I'll just stick to doing it the usual way and not bother with easyubuntu
[11:00] <Naail> erm.. so whats that then?
[11:01] <CellarDoor> adding sources myself in Adept and apt-get'ting
[11:01] <PPAAUULL> Hey
[11:01] <CellarDoor> hey
[11:02] <PPAAUULL> I was wondering if any of you knew when Kubuntu 6.05 would be coming out?
[11:02] <klugez> PPAAUULL: it's 6.06, June 1st, though i'm not 100% sure
[11:03] <CellarDoor> 6.06 ?
[11:03] <CellarDoor> I thought dapper came out in april
[11:03] <mart> CellarDoor: delayed
[11:03] <klugez> it was delayed
[11:03] <CellarDoor> oh
[11:04] <CellarDoor> why ?
[11:04] <mart> CellarDoor: can you guess when it was delayed until? :)
[11:04] <klugez> for additional localisation polish etc
[11:04] <CellarDoor> uhmm... June ?
[11:04] <mart> er... yeah
[11:04] <CellarDoor> uh... ok ;)
[11:05] <Naail> Hmm how do I know what packages on Adept to get?
[11:05] <mart> CellarDoor: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-March/000734.html
[11:05] <CellarDoor> Naail: what do you want ?
[11:05] <Naail> everything :p
[11:05] <mart> Naail: no, you really don't...
[11:05] <ompaul> June 1st 2006 is the updated release date for Ubuntu Dapper
[11:06] <Naail> well I'd settle for everything I saw on easy ubuntu :)
[11:06] <CellarDoor> Naail: oh
[11:06] <CellarDoor> so, like erm... you want codecs ?
[11:06] <Naail> how so Mart?
[11:06] <CellarDoor> !codecs
[11:06] <Naail> sure
[11:06] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[11:07] <CellarDoor> !easysource
[11:07] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:07] <mart> Naail: er, *everything* is huge, some ten thousand packages or so, and you can't install them all at once
[11:07] <Naail> :) I was kidding, but you know how it is I want everything now lol
[11:07] <mart> yeah
[11:07] <_angie> hello
[11:08] <Naail> Im sry, but Im an eager shiny nooblet
[11:08] <Naail> :)
[11:08] <_angie> anyone here?
[11:08] <CellarDoor> Naail: just install w32codecs and libdvdcss and that should just about cover everything you might want...
[11:08] <Naail> ty ty
[11:08] <CellarDoor> I'm supposing
[11:08] <mart> Naail: have a browse http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/
[11:08] <mart> (in pool)
[11:08] <CellarDoor> !restricted
[11:08] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:08] <bleaked> i am a 2.5 year gentoo user.  last fall, i moved to debian to escape compiling.  honestly, i love debian.  it's suited me well thus far, with the exception of new software.  i'm used to the latest and greatest from gentoo.  i realize that unstable software is not exactly recommened, but i run a desktop and attempt to exercise good security practices, etc, etc.  currently, on my deb box, i am running from the unstable branch.  it's mostly 
[11:08] <bleaked> roblem is that software is not being update fast.  (i waited forever for KDE 3.5, and amarok 1.4 _still_ is not in unstable).. so i'm thinking of giving kubuntu a try.  would running 'breezy' suite my needs and desires?  (also, maybe this is an ignorant question, but can kubuntu be installed with minimal packages and i just build the sytem to my preference?)
[11:09] <klugez> bleaked: kubuntu is pretty much built on debian
[11:09] <bleaked> well, i know
[11:10] <klugez> so after doing a server install you could cherry pick all you want
[11:10] <CellarDoor> bleaked: you can do a custom install of kubuntu by typing expert at the prompt instead of just hitting enter at the start of the install
[11:10] <sivang_> any muse users around?
[11:12] <bleaked> so what are teh major differences between deb and *ubuntu
[11:12] <mart> bleaked: if you're used to unstable, you could try the upcoming dapper..
[11:12] <ryanakca> bleaked: dapper is pretty recent... its a 6 month release cycle...
[11:12] <guala> CellarDoor: i'm returned with kubuntu instalation problem :D
[11:12] <Kyral> bleaked: I refer to Ubuntu as "Debian For Beginners"
[11:12] <ryanakca> yeah
[11:12] <CellarDoor> guala: ?
[11:12] <bleaked> well, see i'm not a beginner
[11:13] <Kyral> bleaked: it doesn't drop you to a command line on the base install :P
[11:13] <bleaked> but more and more i just want a simple, usable system that i don't have to think too much about.
[11:13] <Kyral> Basically fire and forget install?
[11:13] <mart> Kyral: bleaked: that said, I was using debian for a decade or so before I installed kubuntu :)
[11:13] <CellarDoor> bleaked: thats pretty much what I think kubuntu is
[11:13] <Kyral> or Xubuntu
[11:13] <Kyral> or Ubuntu
[11:13] <Kyral> or....
[11:13] <Kyral> lol
[11:13] <CellarDoor> edubuntu
[11:13] <CellarDoor> :P
[11:13] <mart> Zubuntu, was new on me
[11:13] <ryanakca> bleaked: well that's fine... because you can use it anywais... kubuntu comes with a set of packages, and that's bassicly all you need.. you can add stuff with apt...
[11:14] <ryanakca> Zubuntu?
[11:14] <CellarDoor> xubuntu is xfce
[11:14] <Kyral> mart: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE by default
[11:14] <mart> zSeries ubuntu or something
[11:14] <Kyral> oo I played with the Z/OS a while back
[11:14] <mart> Kyral: thanks, I know :)
[11:14] <ryanakca> gee... Aubuntu, Bubuntu, Cubuntu, Dubuntu, Eubuntu, Fubuntu, etc,etc,etc :P
[11:14] <CellarDoor> lol
[11:14] <CellarDoor> Fubuntu
[11:14] <CellarDoor> I like that
[11:15] <mart> Nubuntu is pretty good...
[11:15] <ryanakca> Bubuntu should be an ubuntu for child hospitals...
[11:15] <Kyral> someone version me :P
[11:15] <guala> help me please with kubuntu instalation... If I come the Kubuntu dvd boats, I completely normally into the menu purely, how said, the live version runs so far perfectly, as soon as I try however kubuntu on the non removable disk to install "Install on hard disk from the menu" load it the Vmlinuz, then the said error message "Alert comes! dev/ram does emergency exist! Dropping ton the shell ". Then as said it goes into the Busybox and requires
[11:15] <guala> input of me. And my problem is, I exactly there white not, why it is not to find dev/ram. Without RAM I did not become times mine computers
[11:15] <jind> Kubuntu <3
[11:15] <ryanakca> They come running to you saying "I have a bubu!"
[11:15] <Kyral> seriously
[11:15] <Kyral> someone hit me with a CTCP Version :P
[11:16] <CellarDoor> dapper drake
[11:16] <ryanakca> hmmm....
[11:16] <Kyral> yah but notice the first part :P
[11:16] <CellarDoor> *buntu
[11:16] <Kyral> yup :P
[11:16] <CellarDoor> :P
[11:16] <mart> buh?
[11:16] <Kyral> *buntu or MetaBuntu :P
[11:17] <ryanakca> they should compress them all and put them onto a Buntu cd
[11:17] <CellarDoor> and call it megubuntu
[11:17] <Kyral> Actually with Espresso I don't see why we can't allow package selection now
[11:17] <Parkotron> guala: What's you're first language?
[11:17] <mart> mmmm.... espresso... biab.
[11:17] <Kyral> I mean if Espresso detects a live internet connection it should allow you to pick which -desktop package you want
[11:17] <CellarDoor> bigubuntu
[11:18] <Kyral> That being said, I still find the normal installer quite nice
[11:18] <Kyral> and functional
[11:18] <Kyral> does what it needs to and no less
[11:18] <guala> Parkotron: spanglish :(
[11:19] <ryanakca> yeah... I like the dialog... the red blue and yellow make a perfect combination :)
[11:19] <Parkotron> guala: You might have better luck on one of the Spanish channels.
[11:19] <Parkotron> !es
[11:19] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:19] <ryanakca> I wonder, could you go "apt-get install edubuntu-desktop"?
[11:20] <mart> ryanakca: think so...
[11:20] <Kyral> ryanakca: why not?
[11:20] <tsukihime> i cannot init sound, it says i dont got permissions any idea of what to do?? =/
[11:20] <mart> ryanakca: you can install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop simulataneously
[11:20] <Kyral> I dunno
[11:20] <Kyral> I'm going to dinner
[11:20] <bleaked> could someone or a bot explain 'espresso' to me?
[11:20] <Kyral> Cya :D
[11:20] <ryanakca> hmmm... I might try it... I wonder what comes with it...
[11:20] <Kyral> !espresso
[11:20] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Kyral
[11:20] <Kyral> ...
[11:20] <Kyral> Espresso, in a nutshell
[11:20] <Kyral> is an Installer that runs from the LiveCD
[11:21] <guala> Parkotron:  on the Spanish channels there is nobody... sorry!! bye bye
[11:21] <ryanakca> as long as I can remove it later on.... mart: I made the mistake of installing ubuntu-desktop a while back
[11:21] <Kyral> now, I go EAT!
[11:21] <mart> ryanakca: if you want to remove it later, it's probably best to get used to using aptitude
[11:22] <ryanakca> wadda... why aptitude... *-desktop are metapackages, si?
[11:22] <uniq> aptitude keeps track of everything you install.. and makes uninstalling easier and cleaner.
[11:22] <mart> ryanakca: because aptitude keeps track of what was installed manually and what was installed automatically to satisfy depenedencies
[11:22] <ryanakca> I tried going "apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" and it did nothing, I ended up using robot geek's script to remove it...
[11:22] <ryanakca> ah
[11:23] <mart> ryanakca: but you have to be careful if you normally use apt-get, and start using aptitude, apparently (although I don't recall any problems)
[11:23] <CellarDoor> bye guys
[11:23] <mart> check what it's about to do before you confirm :)
[11:23] <CellarDoor> keep using open source / free software !
[11:24] <CellarDoor> viva la revolution
[11:24] <mart> heh - preaching to the converted.... :)
[11:24] <Naail> lol ty nn
[11:24] <CellarDoor> :P
[11:24] <ryanakca> mart: I do... I check the packages before typing in "Y"...
[11:24] <mart> ryanakca: you should be fine with aptitude then
[11:25] <ryanakca> aaaaahhhh! edubuntu is gnome!
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[11:28] <slow-motion> bbl
[11:28] <mart> ryanakca: uh, isn't there a kedubuntu or something?
[11:28] <mart> Tm_T would know, I think?
[11:28] <ryanakca> I dunno... I only found the edubuntu website... the most I saw is kde apps in gnome edubuntu..
[11:29] <_mindspin> mart install kde-desktop
[11:29] <mart> _mindspin: what?
[11:29] <_mindspin> kde-desktop
[11:29] <mart> _mindspin: yes, I'm using it.  I've been using it for 6 or 7 years or something...
[11:30] <_mindspin> in edubuntu
[11:30] <mart> _mindspin: ah, tell ryanakca :)
[11:30] <_mindspin> oops
[11:30] <ryanakca> lol
[11:30] <robotgeek> mart: you called?
[11:31] <mart> robotgeek: just trying to put a face behind the easybuntu stuff...
[11:31] <robotgeek> mart: did you suceed?
[11:31] <mart> robotgeek: seemed a bit suspicious that you didn't have real names on the site or in the code I looked at
[11:32] <simian_> i was just looking on adept and i couldn't see and
[11:32] <robotgeek> mart: the whole team is listed on launchpad, so...
[11:32] <simian_> i was just looking on adept and i couldn't see and any blog ing software for kde
[11:32] <mart> robotgeek: I think you should put real names in code
[11:32] <mart> robotgeek: oh, I can't make head nor tail of that site
[11:33] <robotgeek> mart: heh, launchpad
[11:33] <mart> robotgeek: yeah, if you're listed there, I can't see it..
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[11:34] <mart> robotgeek: as I understand it, copyright statements that don't refer to legal entities aren't valid, and a lack of names makes it difficult to figure out who did what.
[11:35] <robotgeek> mart: can you join #easyubuntu
[11:35] <mart> (done)
[11:46] <fatejudger> what is the deal with kompmgr?
[11:46] <fatejudger> do you need to have XGL to use it?
[11:46] <fatejudger> or does the new version of xorg that Breezy uses work?
[11:48] <trappist> fatejudger: you need to have support for the composite extension enabled in your xorg.conf
[11:48] <slow-motion> re
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: I enabled it
[11:49] <simian_> good night all
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: but for some reason when I turn on the effects, it's very slow
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: and doesn't display right
[11:49] <fatejudger> trappist: is it working with fglrx?
[11:49] <trappist> it sucks bad with fglrx
[11:49] <fatejudger> damnit
[11:50] <fatejudger> so I'd need to downgrade to mesa crap
[11:50] <fatejudger> damn I hate those drivers
[11:50] <fatejudger> they're so damn slow
[11:50] <trappist> might as well use ati or vesa anyway - can't have glx with composite (really) without Xgl
[11:50] <fatejudger> trappist: I could always use XGL then, right
[11:50] <fatejudger> ?
[11:51] <trappist> that's the idea - with Xgl you get all that, hardware accelerated
[11:51] <fatejudger> trappist: is XGL working though?
[11:51] <trappist> rumored to work well with fglrx too, depending on your card
[11:51] <fatejudger> trappist: I know compiz isn't
[11:51] <fatejudger> ATI 9600
[11:51] <trappist> fatejudger: for a lot of people, yes.  on my box at home, no.  on my laptop here, haven't tried.
[11:51] <fatejudger> on KDE?
[11:51] <trappist> oh I mean Xgl works, but compiz doesn't, at home.
[11:52] <fatejudger> yeah, that's what I thought
[11:52] <fatejudger> they REALLY need to fix compiz
[11:52] <trappist> I'm doing something wrong, though.  too many success stories for it not to be my fault.
[11:52] <fatejudger> I haven't heard of one Kubuntu person getting compiz working on KDE using the fglrx drivers
[11:53] <trappist> well, I just upgraded to dapper and I'm not doing anything else, so lemme try real quick...
[11:53] <fatejudger> trappist: do you use an ATI card?
[11:53] <trappist> yeah
[11:53] <fatejudger> trappist: what card do you have?
[11:54] <trappist> lspci says firegl 9000.  dunno a better way to tell on a laptop.
[11:54] <fatejudger> I wondering whether my crappy 9600 will be able to render all of these effects at 1920x1200
[11:55] <fatejudger> let me know how it goes
[11:55] <trappist> fatejudger: the idea is it should run wonderfully, if it works at all.
[11:55] <trappist> almost everything should be hardware accelerated.
[11:55] <fatejudger> trappist: yeah, it's really nice
[11:55] <fatejudger> trappist: but all of this technology is so new
[11:56] <trappist> true
[11:56] <fatejudger> trappist: it's unstable and not compatible with a lot of situations
[11:56] <fatejudger> trappist: hopefully they perfect is soon, it should be a wonderful addition
[11:56] <fatejudger> *it
[11:57] <trappist> agreed
[11:58] <trappist> it would help if nvidia and ati would support GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap or whatever that is
[11:58] <fatejudger> trappist: Nvidia will be the first to support it
[11:58] <fatejudger> if anyone does
[11:58] <fatejudger> my old Nvidia card worked great with Linux
[11:59] <Dr_House> hey .. i'm a linux newbie and i'm trying to install packages that will allow kaffeine and amarok to play media files .. but it's not working the way the tutorial is telling what to do .. can anyone help?
[11:59] <fatejudger> but I got mad at Nvidia when their DVI port wouldn't render at 1920x1200 because of some stupid flaw in the card's designer
[11:59] <fatejudger> *design
[11:59] <fatejudger> so I switched to ATI
[11:59] <fatejudger> heh
[11:59] <trappist> ok here goes...
[12:02] <fatejudger> trappist: good luck