=== Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] _ion: you should remove that "isn't signed, bla, bla" as well ;) [12:04] but I'll do it === ajmitch__ is now known as ajmitch === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] thanks _ion [12:08] we've done some changes to the repo, so I am testing now === kwah [n=alexei@i103039.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwah [n=alexei@i103039.upc-i.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:15] oi, OOP code component re-use in python is SO sweet! === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] sivang: hehe ;) [12:16] Pygi: is rather amazing, [12:16] sivang: I am aware of that ^_^ [12:16] Pygi: working on home user backup, I am not working on uprestore (the resoration module) as it shares most of the GUI characteristics with upbackup, I just based it's class on the backup one, and 80% if the work is already done :) [12:17] s/not// [12:17] Pygi: so I get all the media device detection code and population, user details detection for free, integrated into the gui. [12:18] I used dyaminc (getattr) method and attribute allocation and designed the module sin advance like this, like the jewish saying goes "He who bothered on friday night will see joy on sat" :-D [12:18] sivang: joy :-) [12:19] completely. :-) /me goes back to hacking === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] ;) [12:19] I am hacking as well [12:19] the repository ;) [12:19] Pygi: hehe, uploading new l-r-m ? [12:19] Pygi: with _ion's changes in? [12:20] sivang: bah, we already have that in ... we just finished polishing all the packages [12:20] (I saw the bits of wifi discussions with mjg59 and _ion ) [12:20] packages were bloated, and not really usefull ;) === stratus [n=stratus@201008041158.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] Pygi: which chipset / devices are now supported? [12:20] Pygi: (you touched only the wifi stuff?) [12:20] sivang: please see the ubuntu-devel ^_^ [12:21] eh, okay..sorry [12:21] np at all ^_^ [12:21] Pygi: are you already approved for main ? I don't recall I saw you on the CC/TB for that one. [12:21] _ion, ping [12:21] <_ion> seveas: Pong. [12:22] _ion, Errhttp://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper/main nm-applet 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 [12:22] 404 Not Found [12:22] sivang: nop, we never actually got to that part ^_^ we have time [12:22] Seveas: yup, I know [12:22] <_ion> seveas: Yeah, Pygi is working on the new repository. [12:22] Seveas: please read the -devel mailing list, and follow thingies [12:22] k [12:22] sivang: when is next CC/TB? [12:23] Pygi: Me neither, but I'm getting there I think, first get approved for universe. [12:23] Pygi: 28 Mar 20:00 [12:23] UTC: Technical Board [12:23] Pygi, when will the repo be ready? [12:24] Seveas: repos are ready now .... they are signed now, so you need to import the key [12:24] sivang: thanks ... do I need to write somewhere that I am going to attend it, etc? ;) [12:24] Pygi, I still get 404 [12:24] Seveas: followed the wiki? [12:24] yeah [12:25] <_ion> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG C80644C88A303107 Anthony Mercatante [12:25] W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG C80644C88A303107 Anthony Mercatante [12:25] rofl [12:25] Pygi, fix the Release.gpg [12:25] Pygi: no, just to show up. [12:25] sivang: kk, and there I ask for it? [12:25] Pygi: make sure you apply for MOTU through launchpad, or main [12:25] sivang: ah, ok [12:25] <_ion> pygi: Make whatever updates the repository update the signature as well. :-) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] hi [12:26] <_ion> Hi [12:26] is there a problem with the repo ? [12:26] Seveas: ? [12:26] Tonio_, Pygi broke it - lart him [12:26] <_ion> Apparently Release.gpg isn't updated. [12:26] yup, I have it again [12:26] W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG C80644C88A303107 Anthony Mercatante [12:26] W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] Tonio_: you need to stop that automatic scanning I would say [12:26] grmpf...... [12:27] Pygi, have you looked at falcon to build a repo? Makes it dead easy ;) [12:27] or make it auto update [12:27] Pygi: yes, unfortunately === vmlintu_ [n=vmlintu@haiti.ykkonen.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] <_ion> I haven't tried falcon, but reprepro makes it dead easy as well. :-) [12:27] Tonio_: just make the key auto updates itself [12:27] we have to generate Release.gpg each time.......... [12:27] damn........ [12:27] well, apparently it's not as easy :D [12:27] Seveas: I have, but I didn't found the source [12:27] Pygi: really, is that gpg key needed ? [12:27] it creates so many problems [12:27] Tonio_: yes, it is needed ^_ ^ [12:27] <_ion> tonio: Yes. :-) [12:27] what for ? [12:27] just make it generate the key [12:27] does anybody know how I can have another user on the system allowed to use X, using xhost ? [12:27] Tonio_: for authentification [12:28] xhost + === sivang needs that for testing HUB [12:28] Pygi: impossible, I have to type my password each time :) [12:28] Seveas: + and nothing afterwards? [12:28] can't be automatic [12:28] <_ion> tonio: Nope, use gpg-agent. [12:28] sivang, after you finished: xhost - [12:28] Seveas: thank you [12:28] Tonio_: then just make that the script doesnt work... we'll run it manually when needed [12:28] <_ion> tonio: keychain makes it easy. [12:28] xhost + sets it WIDE open [12:28] _ion: will check [12:28] Seveas: where can I find more info on that falcon of urs? ^_^ [12:29] Pygi, kaarsemaker.net/software or dimply my wikipage [12:29] <_ion> Insert the proper keychain lines to ~/.xinitrc and ~/.yourshellrc, and it starts ssh-agent and gpg-agent automatically and configures your environment. === sto_ [n=sto@224.Red-80-59-203.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] should be working now === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] <_ion> tonio: Yeah, thanks. [12:32] Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y [12:32] Errhttp://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper/main libnm-util-0 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 [12:32] 404 Not Found [12:32] still not working... [12:32] Seveas: we're on it [12:32] <_ion> Oh. === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] Pygi, Tonio_ said it works, well it doesn't ;) [12:33] hu ???? [12:33] Seveas: works here [12:33] Tonio_: tried fetching something? [12:34] works here as well === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] Tonio_, try apt-get install network-manager [12:34] Seveas: ??? [12:34] Seveas: it is okay [12:35] Tonio_: I can't fetch files :-/ [12:35] Tonio_, it's not working - all files give 404 errors [12:35] grmpf [12:35] Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/main/binary-i386/libnm-util-0_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [12:35] Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/main/binary-i386/network-manager_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [12:35] Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/main/binary-i386/nm-applet_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [12:35] this authentication drives me nuts [12:35] it was working before [12:35] <_ion> "main/main" [12:35] seriously, switch to falcon for your repoing needs ;) [12:36] [12:36] <_ion> Yeah, i'd suggest the same. :-) [12:36] Seveas: it is not going to be widely used [12:36] ;) [12:36] Seveas: we will...let's just make it workin' for now [12:37] Tonio_: perhaps something in configuration? [12:37] should be working now [12:37] at least works for me [12:37] yes config was somehow wrong [12:37] yep, works [12:37] great [12:38] Tonio_: later today (at least for me) we'll look into using falcon [12:38] and why doesn't the kubuntu-devel list allows links in a post? [12:38] Pygi: this isn't a dedicated webserver for this [12:38] joy [12:38] cool [12:38] my connection survived an NM restart :D [12:38] i'm hosting many different thigs on it, so I don't wan to install too many stuff :) [12:39] Tonio_, falcon is a small script, with very little dependencies [12:39] just need to automate that release.gpg generation [12:39] Tonio_: ah,k, we can just leave it as is [12:39] Seveas: okay, I'll have a look then [12:39] Tonio_, and it does gpg-signing for you ;) [12:39] <_ion> You don't need to install falcon to the web server, you can use it your local machine and make it upload stuff to the public repo. [12:39] Tonio_: perhaps we can work later today on that? [12:39] Seveas: I need to test what _ion said [12:40] _ion is right, you don't even need it on your server [12:40] lol, already mad users are yelling at me === Tonio_ still wonders the needing of authentication or a testing repo, but well :) [12:40] 'cause the repo doesn't work [12:40] it isn't oficial for the moment :) [12:40] <_ion> That's how i managed my repo. I had reprepro installed to my desktop machine. [12:40] Pygi: should be okay now no ? [12:40] Tonio_: yup, works now...but I got 5 mails from users to which it didn't work [12:41] Pygi: :( [12:41] that was before we modified the repo tho [12:42] already compliments ^_^ [12:42] Tonio_, _ion, me: let's apply for MOTU's now [12:43] Pygi, you'll need to be a member first [12:43] yep :) [12:43] Seveas: oh, and what do I do to become that? [12:43] Pygi: I already am a MOTU :) [12:43] Tonio_: great, but me isn't even a member ;) [12:43] Pygi, sustained and significant contribution to ubuntu for at least 2 months [12:43] you have to apply :) [12:43] Seveas: bah, I have contributed to ubuntu for a lot time [12:44] wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto [12:44] Seveas: at least you know I did ^_^ [12:44] Pygi, actually I don't [12:44] I am also along with ivoks, founder of ubuntu-hr [12:44] ;) === mcquaid [i=mcquaid@toronto-hs-216-138-233-79.s-ip.magma.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:44] just follow the NewMemberHowto then [12:44] Seveas: bah, ok, then don't know :P === Tonio_ looks into falcon [12:45] Seveas: thanks for the info, didn't knew this [12:45] Seveas: hm, ok, thx, and when is this CC meeting? [12:45] Tonio_, it's not very well known and still pre-1.0 [12:45] Seveas: that's why :) [12:45] Pygi, not yet decided, somewhere the coming week [12:45] hm, ok, thank you very much ^_^ [12:46] I must say I didn't understood _ion's technique to perform the autosigning :) [12:46] Tonio_, I'm hoping to release 0.9.9 this week and 1.0 soon [12:46] Pygi: and how much packaging work have you done to go for MOTU? [12:46] Seveas: your developpment ? [12:46] yep [12:46] cool :) [12:46] ajmitch: not much ^_^ [12:46] that's why I know it so well ;) [12:46] ajmitch: just this thingies we worked on right now ^_^ [12:46] Seveas: which language ? [12:46] python [12:46] k [12:47] Pygi: ah, then you've got a bit to do [12:47] <_ion> pygi: I don't think i will apply for a MOTU right now i don't really have a lot of energy to do stuff, as i've been ill for a long time. I only packaged n-m 0.6 to scratch my own itch. [12:47] ajmitch: It doesn't matter actually... I don't even have to be a member ... I can contribute just like this as well ;) [12:47] Pygi, that's the correct spirit - just contribute [12:48] ajmitch: if I contributed this, I believe I can contribute even more, without being a member, so ... ^_^ [12:48] Seveas: ^_^ === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] ajmitch: the only reason I wanted to apply for MOTU, was to be able to request inclusion of n-m into main [12:49] if it gets properly tested, and works [12:50] good luck with that [12:50] bah, I'll just bother Tonio_ to do that for me ;) === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] <_ion> Heh, the fact that n-m 0.5 was moved to main might be a bad thing, because it would probably have been easier to get 0.6 to Dapper universe. [12:51] _ion: yup, true ... [12:51] much easier [12:52] _ion: true, but the good thing is that we now a bit more time for this [12:52] tomorrow I'll do the first EAP/TTLS test [12:53] Seveas: thx seveas... please direct issues, etc. to the -devel list at appropriate thread [12:55] no way, I'll just flame you ;) [12:55] Seveas: ok, that's fine as well ;) [12:59] Seveas: Is/was it you who ran the *-changes RSS feeds? [12:59] infinity, is [01:00] is it broken again? [01:00] Seveas: None of them have updated for me for a couple of days. [01:01] last on dapper-changes is 23:25 UTC [01:01] mkvtoolnix_1.6.5-4build1 is the last thing I see on dapper-changes. [01:01] Which is clearly not true. [01:01] I see efibootmgr === infinity tries deleting the feed. [01:01] aren't you looking upside down? [01:02] No, I was looking the right direction, liferea just seemed to be "stuck", I guess. [01:02] Deleting and recreating it fixed it. [01:02] Weird. [01:02] weird indeed [01:03] did you restart liferea in the past days? [01:03] I've seen liferea being stuck, restarting the thing fixed that [01:03] <_ion> Straw > liferea. ;-) [01:03] is there anyone here that would be willing to build 64bit packages for us? [01:03] sure, if you give me a 64bit machine ;) [01:04] Seveas: agreed ... wanna come and get it ? ^_^ [01:04] hehe [01:04] we're currently building ppc packages [01:04] and we have 32 bit packages [01:04] only 64 bit remains ^_^ [01:04] we will take over the world ^_^ [01:05] LOL [01:05] Pygi: do you have source packages available? [01:05] Pygi: are you building ppc packages? [01:05] <_ion> Not until we have m68k packages! [01:05] ajmitch: yes ;-) [01:05] <_ion> ajmitch: Yes. === ajmitch doesn't see them yet [01:05] raphink: nop, not me, but they are being builded, and should be there ^_^ [01:05] Pygi: what are you building them with? [01:05] attack of the smilies in here today.. [01:05] Pygi: well I am the one who is to build them [01:05] Seveas: Iwas reading and I can find docs to autoconnect using ssh and nopassword [01:05] and I'm not currently doing it [01:05] <_ion> Get:2 http://kubuntu.no-ip.org dapper/main network-manager 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 (tar) [1026kB] [01:06] raphink: aha, ok then ^_^ [01:06] Seveas: but nothing relative to scripting and automating pg signing [01:06] so unless you are volunteering to do the work, I don't know how you can say "we" are doing it ;) [01:06] Seveas: would you have a wikipage or doc for this ? [01:06] raphink: O joy ^_^ [01:06] Tonio_, I use a passwordless key for the repo - it's safer to use gpg-agent though [01:06] <_ion> It's easy enough with gpg-agent, and _much_ more secure. [01:07] Seveas: okay, but that means I will have to change the key, and now many people are using the repo, thant's not possible [01:07] yeah [01:07] Tonio_, no, you can remove the password from a key [01:07] Tonio_: it's fine for now [01:08] infinity: OOo starts on ia64, but not, if you install openoffice.org-gnome [01:08] Pygi: except if I have to updateit manually every day....... [01:08] Tonio_: yes, I am aware of that ... [01:08] Tonio_: we'll change that later today ... [01:09] Seveas: it is my main private key that I use to sign :) === j^ [n=j@e178061122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] Seveas: I don't use several keys generally :) [01:09] doko: Interesting. [01:10] doko: Missing some libs for -gnome, or just generally broken? [01:10] hehe [01:10] Seveas: so removing the password is just........ weired :) [01:10] quite [01:10] well, I'll do manually (grmpf.......) [01:11] infinity: no, missing libs would mean that it cannot start on amd64 either [01:11] ok we're about to build the packages for ppc :p [01:11] hehe [01:11] infinity: I had to test over ssh X forwarding in a chroot, so maybe lamont or iwj can check this out locally [01:12] doko: Well, a fair point, but ia32-libs is different between the two arches, so I didn't know if that was perhaps true for ia32-libs-gtk and other stuff as well. [01:12] doko: Yeah, I don't have a local ia64 either, I was just trying to get it installable, so others could test if it was useable. [01:17] ugh, Build-Depends: @cdbs@ [01:18] <_ion> ajmitch: Ugh? === stratus [n=stratus@201008041158.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] _ion: at least it's not updated on every build [01:19] hi stratus [01:19] <_ion> ajmitch: Of course not. [01:19] <_ion> ajmitch: Whenever it's updated manually, the resulting debian/control is inspected. [01:20] ajmitch, hey fine? [01:20] _ion: so you basically replaced all the packaging for nm? [01:20] <_ion> ajmitch: Pretty much, and then ported the patches from the old version. [01:21] why did you change the build system? [01:22] <_ion> cdbs makes writing and maintaining debian/rules a lot easier. [01:23] writing one by hand is just as simple [01:26] <_ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/nm-5-rules http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/nm-6-rules === paulproteus|lapt [n=paulprot@cpe-72-226-199-134.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] I find the first one easier to understand [01:29] and definitely easier to write [01:31] <_ion> I think it's quite redundant for every single debian source package have the same generic functionality copied to their debian/rules. [01:33] _ion: Yes, that 2K of gzippable content is a nightmare for the archive [01:35] <_ion> Yeah, and for my Commodore 64. === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] _ion: More seriously - changing the build system makes it less likely that your packages will be merged in [01:41] or in general, changing anything thats not relevant to your real issue is always bad [01:41] like editing whitespace in a file when you're submitting a bugfix === Aegir` [n=richard@C1480153.wl148.flinders.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-247-111.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] mjg59: First upload to be built on an Apple running Ubuntu <-- sounds promising :-) [02:20] mjg59: hey, i build things on an Apple running Ubuntu all the time [02:20] :P [02:21] lol [02:21] I haven't :( [02:22] What package do I use to report a bug against the Ubuntu website? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.10.65.250.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] hmm [02:23] i don't think there is one [02:25] Amaranth: That's an i386/ia64-only package... [02:25] hehe, i know === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@c-67-174-173-18.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] paulproteus|lapt: I'd probably email webmaster@ubuntulinux.org [02:27] mjg59: you've got a mini, right? [02:27] LaserJock: And an imac, but yeah [02:27] mjg59: oh, ok. I was just wondering about the video on the iMac [02:27] Supported (unaccelerated) [02:27] sweet [02:28] I remember when they first came out that somebody said that the video wouldn't be supported [02:28] and even though I'm CLI most of the time. I'd like to at least burn my eyes out with orange every once in a while ;-) === Lathiat grins === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] is the livecd installer (Dapper) supposed to do custom partitioning? [02:41] just an FYI, it locks on me when I try to [02:41] it's still not done [02:42] right now afaik it only does "wipe the drive" [02:42] oh, nvm, it did work [02:42] just the embedded gparted's "Are you sure" dialog got backgrounded [02:42] metacity bug, or just forgot to set modal? [02:42] and speaking of that, recently metacity has been loving to background things for no reason :) === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] yeah, Amaranth, definitely espresso is still immature [02:47] I'm sure glad it gets some extra time === hirsat [n=hirsat03@utdnat097235.utdallas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hirsat [n=hirsat03@utdnat097235.utdallas.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-104-46.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === na7e [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] _ion: The new linux-source will require a new LRM for the bumped ABI, yes, but that's a moot point since linux-source doesn't build right now anyway. :) === na7e [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-176-104-46.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201008041158.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vmlintu_ [n=vmlintu@haiti.ykkonen.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port164-170.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@mike.nelsonbay.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-13.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dborg [n=daniel@e182053179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A6134C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-065-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb219-75-72-99.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt [n=desrt@71.19.9.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfault [i=carlos@ubuntu/member/segfault] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mroth [n=mroth@unaffiliated/mroth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jouston [n=jouston@59-105-136-199.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar [n=scott@c-24-10-31-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enyc [n=enyc@194.154.174.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zomb [n=eb@x118.rhrk.uni-kl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mattw [n=mattw@opal.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjr [i=mjr@aulis.sange.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee_ [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83.216.156.196] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [i=winkle@kleopatra.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] <_ion> infinity: Yep. Hehe. [03:14] Oh that's why gaim was using all my CPU.... === na7e [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.10.65.250.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] Launchpad will be going down for scheduled maintenance in 30 mins. Estimated downtime is up to 3 hours. Wikis will be in read only mode during this time. [03:33] so is there someone in charge of fixing xserver regressions since breezy now that Daniels is gone? [03:33] what happened to daniels anyway [03:33] if it is not a touchy subject [03:34] seth: Erm, he doesn't work for Canonical anymore? [03:34] right, just wasn't sure where he went [03:34] someone said he changed jobs... doesn't work at canonical anymore [03:34] said something about getting a job at a cell phone company [03:34] yep [03:34] yes, he works at a company ending in okia [03:34] i see, thanks :) [03:34] hehe [03:35] I've had a bug lodged for a few months now about a regression since breezy where x now thinks that microsoft intellimice have 11 buttons instead of only 9 [03:35] I'd had to see dapper released with a silly regression like that but... who's job is that now? [03:35] No one's a fulltime X maintainer right now. [03:35] he reassigned the bug to nobody [03:36] Fabio and I are attempting to tackle some of the bug list in the next little while as theoretical "team leads" of the X SWAT Team, but not sure how far we'll get. [03:36] ahhh [03:36] psusi: The bugs should be assigned to the team. x-swat in LP, I think. [03:36] X is really a full tiem job [03:36] time [03:36] (search for "swat" in the search box, should find it) [03:36] ok... I'll assign it to x-swat then [03:37] Amaranth: Unfortunately, yes, but we're spread a bit thin. Community involvement would be VERY appreciated. === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] tritium: [03:39] hi [03:39] hi LaserJock! [03:40] I wish I knew more about how X works so I could fix it... but I don't, and I'm working on some kernel fixes and other things persuant to PacketCD and HardwareFakeRaid specs [03:40] hmm, was hoping today's language-selector wouldn't give "could not open display" runtime errors, like yesterday's did... [03:41] by the way.... git is a kick ass version control system ;) [03:42] Except when your branch wedges itself, yes. === infinity coughs. === _ion catches some bacteria from infinity's cough. [03:42] wedges itself? [03:43] Oh, when halfway through a merge, it decides to just give up trying, and you're stuck with the leftovers. [03:43] Acestry can get complex to the point where it just decides it doesn't want to try anymore. [03:43] It's happened to me 2 or 3 times now. [03:43] if you don't want to manually resolve the conflicts, then just git-reset --hard [03:44] I'm not talking conflicts. [03:44] it's just saying it thinks you need to intervene a bit... fix up the files and commit [03:44] I'm talking ancestry tracing falling over hard, with painful errors and reasonably corrupt branches. [03:45] hrm.... weird... [03:45] I thought I had screwed things up like that a few times... but I usually just fix it by cat .git/refs/heads/origin > .git/refs/heads/master [03:46] Yeah, intuitive. :) [03:46] then I found git-reset --hard ;) [03:58] Is that an alias to rm? [04:02] what is the name of the ubuntu notify applet? [04:03] holycow: what? [04:04] the ubuntu notify applet .. what is the name of that package? i need to remove it [04:05] bah, called update-notifier heh === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === msg43 [n=msg43@ppp-69-218-47-186.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] Hi [04:31] I hopeing someone can tell me how ubuntu suspends the machine such as what program or kernel patch is used. [04:33] msg43: it just does `echo mem > /sys/pwer/state` [04:33] It's not a kernel patch, its a standard part of the kernel [04:33] G0SUB, are you serious? [04:33] `echo mem > /sys/power/state` [04:33] its that simple [04:34] the actual suspending does a bit more work [04:34] msg43: yes [04:34] to make sure everythings in a good state to suspend etc [04:34] btu thast the crux of it [04:34] see /etc/acpi/sleep.sh iirc [04:35] msg43: and configure acpi-support as I described in #ubuntu === msg43_ [n=msg43@ppp-69-218-47-186.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] well is there anythign I can do to get my video back? === msg43_ is now known as msg4r3 === msg4r3 is now known as msg43 [04:37] as when I do that I completely go blinded [04:37] msg43: your ACPI is broken most probably [04:37] msg43: which laptop is it? [04:37] heh it a desktop [04:38] hmm [04:38] are you using the nvidia or ati (fglrx) binary drivers? [04:38] msg43: is the ACPI standards compliant? 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[06:17] it's not deleted on boot, if that's what you're asking [06:17] I was just thinking about Wine. A few users expressed interest in storing Windows applications system-wide, so different users could run them without having different installations in their home directories [06:18] A sort of system-wide virtual Windows drive for Wine. But somehow putting it in /var/tmp jives me the wrong way [06:18] /var/lib/wine/ ? [06:19] crimsun: And make that world-writable? [06:19] that would be Bad. [06:19] Bad. [06:19] less bad if you use the sticky bit, though [06:20] Well, it's sort of a given that any Wine-user could hose the shared Wine installation, heh [06:20] chmod +t [06:20] Make a Wine group would be good [06:21] yes, you would have more control [06:22] that's more like a spool directory to me, though [06:22] hmm or not hehe === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] Making it sticky might break some things (Windows apps tend to want to write to their own program files folder a lot...and My documents) [06:23] overwrite, rather === tdjb [i=tdjb@216.222.48.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === GNULinuxer [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@219.252.91.73] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-64-134.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178014181.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] Good morning [07:33] hello pitti [07:38] hi zakame === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] pitti; SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7ubuntu1 [07:41] desrt: hey [07:42] desrt: what's that about? 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