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| robotgeek | where do we comment on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperKNetworkmanager | 05:11 |
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| robotgeek | not so good, knetworkmanager hangs my system on a zydas driver. | 05:44 |
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| Hobbsee | hi Lure - knetworkmanager decided to stop working | 06:20 |
| seaLne | morning Hobbsee | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | hey seaLne | 06:24 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: for me too. it doesn't work on wireless. it also crashed my system twice :) | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: ouch. i had it working last night | 06:24 |
| seaLne | wired is so much less hassell :) | 06:25 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: it works great while switching networks, i think it's a problem with my broadcom | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 06:25 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: really? tried removing knetwrokmanagerrc - it helped me once... | 06:25 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: yeah, tried that, no fix | 06:26 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: so what is happening? | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: it says activation | 06:29 |
| Lure | and the window stayed? | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 06:29 |
| Lure | I had this once - I have removed kNM from wallet (was not enough) and removing knetworkapplet worked | 06:30 |
| === Hobbsee doenst even use kwallet | ||
| Lure | Hobbsee: but where is then your password stored? | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: i have no idea | 06:31 |
| Lure | I have also seen on my system that selection of network to connect is strange | 06:31 |
| Lure | it does not select last one, but tries with random (or less secure?) in case that you hve tried to connect to multiple | 06:32 |
| Lure | I have connected once to unsecure AP of my neighbour ;-), and now kNM does always this one first | 06:32 |
| Lure | I had to remove kNMrc to get back to normal | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:33 |
| Lure | I need to discuss these issues with author - maybe fixes are already there in latest sources | 06:33 |
| seaLne | has it maybe set a default wireless network? | 06:34 |
| Lure | seaLne: problem was also that it could not switch back to my primary one anymore... | 06:35 |
| Lure | Hobbsee, seaLne: can you collect messages from NM and kNM and send with details to my e-mail? | 06:36 |
| seaLne | sorry i don't use wireless otherwise i'd try it | 06:37 |
| robotgeek | Lure: i will also do so :) | 06:37 |
| Lure | seaLne: OK, I though you had problems too and switched back to wired | 06:37 |
| robotgeek | Lure: it crashed with zydas driver (froze my system) | 06:37 |
| seaLne | sorry for the confusion | 06:37 |
| Lure | robotgeek: thanks - we need feedback | 06:38 |
| Lure | zydas - first time I heard of this... | 06:38 |
| robotgeek | Lure: yes, i might be unique. i am on powerpc | 06:38 |
| robotgeek | Lure: i will recompile their latest drivers, and see if it happens again | 06:38 |
| Lure | even better! | 06:38 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: :( | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: it no workie... | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | cant find a network device | 06:43 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: again... | 06:44 |
| Lure | is it possible that something is taking your device over? | 06:44 |
| Lure | have you checked NM messages? what they say? | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: um, like wpasupplicant? | 06:44 |
| Lure | yes, or dhclient | 06:44 |
| robotgeek | Lure: here is the output with broadcom http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/613768 | 06:47 |
| Lure | robotgeek: to which network are you connecting and which security | 06:49 |
| robotgeek | Lure: to wireless "PMLAN" and wep hex key with open mode | 06:50 |
| Lure | robotgeek: activation timeouts (20s) | 06:51 |
| Lure | is it normal for your AP that it takes longer to connect? | 06:51 |
| robotgeek | Lure: i think it is a problem with the broadcom device | 06:52 |
| Lure | but does it work w/o NM? | 06:52 |
| robotgeek | yes | 06:53 |
| robotgeek | i use a script to connect, plus wlassistant also works | 06:53 |
| Lure | it for sure is not kNM specific - it is either driver (missing support for wpasupplicant) or NM/wpasuplicant (less likely from current experience) | 06:53 |
| robotgeek | but i dont use wpa | 06:54 |
| Lure | robotgeek: then this is probably it (driver/wpas interaction), however I do not have much experience with WEP anyhow | 06:54 |
| Lure | I think wpasupplicant takes over all security in NM (I need to verify this) | 06:54 |
| robotgeek | Lure: thanks for your help, i will try with zydas tommorow and verify if it is problem with card/nm | 06:55 |
| Lure | robotgeek: that would be great | 06:56 |
| robotgeek | cool, i want knm working for my cards :) | 06:56 |
| Lure | robotgeek: maybe wpasupplicant should not get involved with WEP, but it does in your case as the card may not report proper security mode back | 06:59 |
| Lure | is iwlist scan reporting appropriate info for your AP? | 06:59 |
| robotgeek | lemme check, it used to. | 07:00 |
| robotgeek | except for signal quality, everything else seems to be fine | 07:02 |
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| Hobbsee | yay! | 07:21 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Dapper delayed || https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEspresso || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Thurs, 16th March - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Tonio_ at Sun Mar 19 14:49:31 2006 | ||
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| superstoned | hey ppl, i have 2 weird problems: | 04:51 |
| superstoned | - /dev/null is every time i boot unreachable, so i can't login to KDE (have to chmod 777 it) | 04:52 |
| superstoned | and second, my resolution switches back to 1024x768 after i login in KDE | 04:52 |
| superstoned | (while i don't even have that as an option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf under modes) | 04:53 |
| superstoned | any idea where i could look for the /dev/null prob, and where the resolution settings are kept? i was unable to find them in the user directorie (~/.kde/??? nowhere to be found) | 04:53 |
| superstoned | should i ask in #kubuntu? | 04:54 |
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| Pygi | Tonio_: you here? | 06:10 |
| uniq | someone with a ipod and dapper around? | 06:16 |
| Lure | Pygi: ping | 06:26 |
| Pygi | Lure: pong | 06:27 |
| Lure | have you seen report on madwifi working with new kernel? | 06:27 |
| Pygi | yup | 06:27 |
| Lure | I thought that patch is needed for WPA support... | 06:27 |
| Pygi | that is great ^_^ | 06:27 |
| Pygi | but that's only one patch ^_^ | 06:27 |
| Pygi | report* | 06:28 |
| Lure | BTW, are madwifi disconnects (scan) supposed to hapen to everybody? | 06:29 |
| Lure | there is one guy in forums with own version of madwifi which claims everything works with his NM | 06:29 |
| crimsun | kinda useless to everyone else if he doesn't make it public | 06:31 |
| Pygi | hm, it needs to be fixed | 06:32 |
| Lure | crimsun: I have asked him what patches he applied - he was wondering if test NM would still work as good | 06:32 |
| Pygi | crimsun: we need to look at porting -ng background scanning feature to -old | 06:32 |
| Lure | Pygi: but I am sensing mixed reports with madwifi - is it possible that it is related to specific chipsets of madwifi | 06:33 |
| superstoned | uniq: i have a ipod nano and i run dapper | 06:38 |
| uniq | superstoned: could you please test ipodslave from http://ubuntu.lnix.net/dapper/ ? | 06:39 |
| uniq | trying to close https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ipodslave/+bug/3303 | 06:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3303 in ipodslave "ipod:/ does not work" [Normal,Needs info] | 06:40 |
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| superstoned | hi again | 06:47 |
| uniq | hi. | 06:47 |
| superstoned | sorry, i tried a new login, to test some things which didnt work | 06:48 |
| superstoned | but unlocking my own session doesn't work. | 06:48 |
| Tm_T | moin | 06:48 |
| superstoned | any idea whazzup? can you lock and unlock a session? | 06:48 |
| superstoned | and what did u want with a ipod? | 06:48 |
| Pygi | Lure: hm ... not sure ... | 06:48 |
| Pygi | crimsun: where is that guy that claims he has it's own version of madwifi? | 06:49 |
| Pygi | s/crimsun/Lure | 06:49 |
| Lure | Pygi: just a second... | 06:49 |
| Lure | Pygi: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=845589&postcount=57 | 06:51 |
| Lure | I have asked him not to upgrade and to post patches used | 06:51 |
| Pygi | hm, can you please send the url to the mail? | 06:51 |
| Pygi | I am not able to see now :-/ | 06:52 |
| Lure | Pygi: email address? | 06:52 |
| Pygi | mario dot danic at gmail dot com | 06:55 |
| Lure | Pygi: sent | 06:56 |
| Pygi | THANKS | 06:57 |
| Pygi | i'll look into it | 06:57 |
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| Tonio_ | hello ;) | 07:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: hi | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe, good news for networkmanager :) | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | seems there are chances we get it in | 07:10 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes, from whom? | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/298 | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: read this | 07:11 |
| Lure | nice - have not seen that ... | 07:12 |
| Lure | also reports are improving., still a bit too-fuzzy for my opinion, but mostly driver issues/differences | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the only *real* problem I've seen is Riddell's | 07:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: _ion was asking in morning for you - he has some patches (including name change), he would like to get in | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | driver working but not with networkmanager | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ah ? | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | great ;) | 07:13 |
| Lure | Tonio_: PPC is also still unknown (robotgeek will test) | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | ppc unknown you mean ? | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | you patch works, so what the point is ? | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | ho !!! ppc <> ppp ;) | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:14 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I am not sure if NM and drivers on PPC are ready for NM | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | raphink as ppc but couldn't test, cause no wireless | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well, to be honnest, actually, my preference for the default dapper tool would go to wlassistant | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | not knetworkmanager | 07:15 |
| Lure | really? | 07:15 |
| Lure | I need WPA ;-) | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | because wlassistant is based on command line actions, uses iwlist, iwconfig | 07:15 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, but we may not have as much problems with wlassistant | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | my opinion is : have kubuntu with wlassistant installed by default | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | and have knetworkmanager available in main, but not installed | 07:16 |
| Lure | I would first like to get latest sources of kNM | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | although knetwork brings lots of gnome dependancies, because of networkmanager itself.... | 07:16 |
| Lure | do you see NM to be worse than wlassitant for WEP? | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | that's the reason I think it is nicer to have wlassistant in dapper and investigate and work strong for knetworkmanager in dapper+1 | 07:17 |
| Lure | most of issues are WPA related (wpasupplicant requirements for drivers) | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | raphink, Riddell: core-dev's opinion ? | 07:17 |
| raphink | on? | 07:17 |
| Lure | I am fine if we get NM just in universe | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'm seeing wlassistant working as long as iwlist and iwconfig are working :) | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | knetworkmanager doesn't work that way | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: look at Riddell's problem... | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that doesn't happen with wlassistant | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: NM cannot go in universe | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | it is already in main ;) | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | and latest version will go in main or die :) | 07:19 |
| Lure | Tonio_: most of the problems I have seen in forums/irc were releated to config issues | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, wireless drivers is a pain | 07:19 |
| Lure | and config stuff was caused by different manual hacks people did to make wifi at all work in the first place | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell's problem is the only real problem I've seen | 07:19 |
| Lure | like ndiswrapper, fwcutter,,, | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | anyway, wlassistant, although not that advanced, allows to use dhcp, fixed IP address etc..... | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | the only missing thing is wpa | 07:20 |
| Lure | as I said, I am fine with getting wlassitant as default and kNM in universe | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: on my laptop, I hae to use fwcutter, but some strange reason it doesn't work | 07:20 |
| Lure | I am just concerned if nm-applet will get in for Ubuntu, we will have to have kNM in Kubuntu! | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | so I had to switch to ndiswrapper, and write a script that each boot rmmods bcm43xx and modprobe ndiswrapper | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | standard users are not able to do this...... | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | wireless is and will always be a pain with linux | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | because linux is not as good as because reagarding to drivers and generally hardware management | 07:22 |
| Tonio_ | not as good as windows ;) | 07:22 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: personally, I have switched to Linux because I hate hunting drivers around (but true out-of-the-box is slightly better) | 07:23 |
| Lure | getting drivers from vendors is pain - one-sto-shop of ubuntu is great. ;-) | 07:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: maybe, but when you have a driver to manually install, windows is way better.... | 07:28 |
| Tonio_ | right click on the INF file, and choose install..... | 07:29 |
| Lure | Tonio_: this is why you installed ndiswrapper ;-) | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | once lure will be able to do this, I will applause :) | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: nope, I installed ndiswrapper because linux driver isn't working at all, even with firmwares extracted with fwcutter | 07:29 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 07:29 |
| Lure | I just apt-get dist-upgrade and done (my notebook works out of the box) | 07:29 |
| Lure | have you seen that it was updated in latest kernel? | 07:30 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: when a driver is available, wich is rare....... | 07:30 |
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| Lure | Riddell: what does Mepis announcement really mean for Kubuntu? Are you already working with them? | 07:42 |
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| superstoned | is guidance supposed to remember the resolution i set? | 08:23 |
| superstoned | (it doesn't, that's why i ask) | 08:23 |
| _Sime | superstoned: yes, (fixed in 0.6.3) | 08:23 |
| superstoned | so i should upgrade? | 08:23 |
| superstoned | is it already in repository? | 08:23 |
| superstoned | i upgraded less than an hour ago, and just logged in (and had to re-adjust the res) | 08:24 |
| superstoned | btw randr is not enabled by default, is it? could it? | 08:24 |
| superstoned | (just found out how to enable it, after a long search - its nowhere to be found). and how do i get the nvidia driver instead of nv with guidance? | 08:24 |
| superstoned | did it by hand, works, yeah. but a noob can't do it... | 08:25 |
| superstoned | _Sime? 0.6.3 is not yet in kubuntu i guess??? | 08:26 |
| _Sime | superstoned: not yet. RSN. | 08:26 |
| superstoned | ok | 08:27 |
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| Pygi | Tonio_: ping | 08:28 |
| Pygi | Lure: ping | 08:28 |
| Lure | Pygi: pong | 08:29 |
| Pygi | Lure: you got that post wrongly ;) | 08:29 |
| Pygi | he doesn't currently have NM installed | 08:29 |
| Pygi | if he would install it, it would stop workin' properly | 08:29 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: | 08:29 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: does the new package in repo contain the patch I sent you? | 08:29 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: hi :) | 08:29 |
| Pygi | Hi Tonio_ ^_^ | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I used latest .tar.Gz version from johan, which apparently contains the patch :) | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | I'm just updating the wikipages | 08:30 |
| Pygi | hm, ok then ^_^ | 08:30 |
| Lure | Pygi: you are right ;-) I think I have read too many posts/irc today... | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | but version stays to 0ubuntu1 and changelog only has one global entry | 08:30 |
| Tonio_ | that's the rule as long as the packages don't go to main | 08:30 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: yes, I am aware of that ^_^ Not my changes ^_^ | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I know ;) | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I emails both of you :) | 08:31 |
| Pygi | yup, agreed ;) | 08:31 |
| Pygi | also, I will need your help ^_^ | 08:31 |
| Tonio_ | yep ? | 08:32 |
| Lure | Tonio_: is rename of packages also in? | 08:32 |
| Pygi | Two of us should look into porting background scanning from -ng to -old | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | nm-applet isn't a convenient name for a package | 08:32 |
| Pygi | otherwise it's not usable enough, and is full of flaws | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | johan's idea was nice on that point | 08:32 |
| Pygi | Lure: please do answer that guy on forum | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: which background scanning ? | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | in knetworkmanager ? | 08:33 |
| Lure | Tonio_: naming was proposed by debian (mbiebl) | 08:33 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: In network manager | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay ;) | 08:33 |
| Lure | Pygi: I will | 08:33 |
| Pygi | Lure: k, thanks | 08:33 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: the n-m core is constantly scanning, and -old doesn't support it | 08:33 |
| Pygi | so problems arise | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: talkin' about the knetworkmanager scanning ? | 08:33 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay..... known solution to that issue ? | 08:33 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: no, talking about the madwifi drivers ;) | 08:34 |
| Pygi | yup, there is solution | 08:34 |
| Pygi | it's located in -ng | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | which is ? | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | what -ng ? | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | more details please ;) | 08:34 |
| Pygi | we should port that part from madwifi-ng to madwifi-old, to support background scanning | 08:34 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay ;) | 08:34 |
| Pygi | bah ;) | 08:34 |
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| Tonio_ | Pygi: why not simply upgrading madwifi globally ? | 08:35 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: we can't do that .... -ng is higly unstable, and cannot get into dapper | 08:35 |
| Tonio_ | hum k | 08:36 |
| Tonio_ | so we need to extract a diff and apply it as a patch......... | 08:36 |
| Pygi | huh, no | 08:36 |
| Tonio_ | sounds complicated job for a non coder like me ;) | 08:36 |
| Pygi | we can't extract entire diff | 08:36 |
| Tonio_ | so what's needed exactly ? | 08:36 |
| Pygi | we need just the part of background scanning support | 08:36 |
| Tonio_ | hum, that's what I'm saying ;) | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | I'm not a coder, so that's not an easy trick | 08:37 |
| Pygi | aha, ok ^__^ | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | I'm not able to do that really.... | 08:37 |
| Pygi | I am coder, so we'll work together on that ^_^ | 08:37 |
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| Lure | Pygi: I can also look into that (did quite some kernel coding, but more in FS space) | 08:39 |
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| Pygi | Lure: sure ^_^ | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | I think _ion asked for me about a patch | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | maybe it is this :) | 08:40 |
| Tonio_ | I need to ask him when he's available | 08:40 |
| Lure | Pygi: I am only concerned that such patch will be hard to get through... | 08:40 |
| Pygi | Lure: nah, it'll get throught | 08:40 |
| Pygi | otherwise, if we don't get the patch, all of our packages are usseles | 08:42 |
| Pygi | have you responded to the guy on forums? | 08:43 |
| Lure | I have edited my initial post - noting that he may want to wait for updated l-r-m packages | 08:43 |
| Pygi | I just asked infinity to build updated l-r-m packages | 08:45 |
| Pygi | but that won't help | 08:45 |
| Pygi | we need to make that patch for -olf | 08:45 |
| Pygi | *old | 08:45 |
| Lure | but there are many users with madwifi that do not complain about disconnects... | 08:45 |
| Pygi | still, there are many from opposite side as well | 08:46 |
| Lure | so what is really the cause of disconnects? | 08:46 |
| Lure | do you have madwifi (I have ipw2200 - lucky me)? | 08:46 |
| Pygi | I told you several times already ;) | 08:47 |
| Pygi | the cause is that n-m scans all the time, but -old doesn't support it | 08:48 |
| Lure | I know - but whay does it work for some madwifi users, and it does not for others - they all have same driver! | 08:49 |
| Lure | s/whay/why/ | 08:49 |
| Pygi | magic perhaps? ^_^ | 08:49 |
| Lure | I do not belive in magic - I need facts... ;-) | 08:50 |
| Lure | Pygi: so you have madwifi and you have that problem? | 08:50 |
| Pygi | I've tested madwifi on another computer (borrowed athereos card) and the problem is there, that is a fact | 08:50 |
| Pygi | seveas has the problem as well | 08:51 |
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| Lure | it would help having HW, but I am suprised as most of madwifi users in forums report success | 08:52 |
| Lure | maybe we need to ask for specific info (which driver version, chipset...) to nail down problem scope | 08:52 |
| Pygi | then please do so ^_ | 08:52 |
| Pygi | ^_^ | 08:52 |
| Lure | will try... | 08:52 |
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| Tonio_ | re | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf.... dsl connection problems those days.... | 08:57 |
| Lure | Tonio_: we should get new kNM sources by end-of-week from SuSE guy - he is busy getting RC out | 08:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: nice :) did you contact him ? | 08:58 |
| Tonio_ | or do they plan to officially release them on svn ? | 08:59 |
| Lure | Yes, I am also discussing strange thing observed on my and Hobsee system | 08:59 |
| Lure | (key issues with wallet/rc file | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | same here | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | they don't get in | 08:59 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: I just asked infinity to build new l-r-m for us | 08:59 |
| Pygi | btw. about the patch _ion needed you for ... | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | but I was prompted to let knetworkmanager enter the wallet | 08:59 |
| Pygi | it was the one I sent you... | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ah ok ;) | 09:00 |
| Lure | no SVN yet, but at least another snapshot | 09:00 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you mean you need to enter WEP/WPA keys for each connect? | 09:00 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no, that works for me | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | but I can't find the wep key in kwallet ;) | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: are they supposed to be visible ? or are they stored as binary ? | 09:03 |
| Lure | I think they are binary... | 09:04 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that explains this ;) | 09:05 |
| Tonio_ | anyway, I don't have your problem :) | 09:05 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I have seen n-m-gnome, is n-m-kde in the works too? | 09:05 |
| Lure | currently I get apt-get upgrade reporting that is keeping n-m back. | 09:06 |
| uniq | riddell: i have updated packages for ipodslave, kio-apt and krusader at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/dapper/ - I would say kio-apt is pretty important for dapper, if not updated the breezy kio-apt will only users search for breezy, hoary and warty stuff at packages.ubuntu.com via apt:/. Krusader is just a update to 1.70.0, ipodslave is a update to fix (not tested, no ipod here) for #3303 (malone). | 09:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: n-m-kde is knetworkmanager :) | 09:08 |
| Tonio_ | why should we change the name ? | 09:08 |
| Tonio_ | hum..... | 09:08 |
| Tonio_ | you may answer "why not ?" ^_^ | 09:08 |
| Lure | this is what debian have done and Riddell said that we need to follow | 09:09 |
| Tonio_ | okay, doing it right now | 09:09 |
| Lure | see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016646.html | 09:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: may I wait for new upstream version to come out maybe ? | 09:09 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: we can wait for now ^_^ | 09:09 |
| Lure | there is upstream SVN only - no packages yet | 09:10 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I will do that for both libnl and knetworkmanager once we get the new sourcecode | 09:10 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: agreed ^_^ | 09:11 |
| Pygi | Lure: when can we start lookin' at porting that code for -ng? | 09:11 |
| Lure | Pygi: did you already located the scan code in -ng? | 09:11 |
| Pygi | Lure: nop ^_^ | 09:11 |
| Lure | I first need to get both old and ng code on my system | 09:12 |
| Lure | Pygi: where is the madwifi-ng source repository? | 09:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what package ? | 09:14 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ? | 09:14 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: isn't the code in lrm ? | 09:14 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: the non-alt version (ie: no hardcoded values) of this patch should be merged into n-m | 09:14 |
| Lure | yes, madwifi, but I need madwifi-ng | 09:14 |
| Pygi | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-January/msg00141.html | 09:14 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: can you please do it? | 09:16 |
| Pygi | Lure: to get you going, scanning is located here | 09:17 |
| Pygi | ieee80211_wireless.c | 09:17 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: ues, working on it | 09:17 |
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| Pygi | Tonio_: k, thanks | 09:17 |
| Lure | Pygi: you have to hate these wifi drivers - each one implementing own 802.11 stack.... | 09:18 |
| Lure | ;-) | 09:18 |
| Pygi | Lure: ;) | 09:18 |
| Pygi | Lure: -old interrupts connection to do the scan (as told by seveas) | 09:20 |
| Pygi | and gee, what should we answer on this one? | 09:22 |
| Pygi | "The sources.list information is wrong, I get a 404." | 09:22 |
| Pygi | there is no answer to this one | 09:22 |
| Pygi | lol ;) | 09:22 |
| Lure | Pygi: maybe the server was down? | 09:23 |
| Pygi | Lure: nop, higly unlikely | 09:23 |
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| Pygi | Lure: new l-r-m have to be built | 09:29 |
| Pygi | the old one's doesn't work on fresh install | 09:29 |
| Pygi | otherwise, it works | 09:29 |
| Lure | I know | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: the patch doesn't work | 10:03 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: huh ??' | 10:04 |
| Pygi | you can't patch or? | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | no, but once applyed, doesn't build | 10:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: not sure if you have seen - _ion is looking for you in ubuntu-devel... | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: thanks :) | 10:06 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: ah, k, then just drop the patch | 10:08 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: nope, patch still fails.... | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | and this time it is good, I check every letter, and the patch is the same than given on the website :) | 10:19 |
| Pygi | oh, try to fix it? | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | I'm looking at this, but I don't much understand I must say | 10:20 |
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| Riddell | mvo: kdm doesn't actually handle languages | 10:25 |
| Riddell | Lure: where is this mepis announcement? | 10:26 |
| mornfall | mepis | 10:26 |
| mornfall | it's mepis day? | 10:26 |
| mornfall | i just got mail that adept crashes on simplymepis <someversion> | 10:26 |
| mornfall | i politely sent the guy to burning hell :] | 10:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: http://www.mepis.org/node/9454 with quote from Mark | 10:27 |
| Riddell | uniq: you need to ask for upstream version freeze exceptions for kio-apt and krusader | 10:27 |
| mornfall | oh well | 10:29 |
| mornfall | kio-apt | 10:29 |
| mornfall | ? | 10:29 |
| Riddell | mornfall: an ioslave to givean html frontend to apt-cache queries | 10:31 |
| Riddell | Lure: groovy. I've only exchanged one e-mail with warren about CUPS not working, I don't expect him to show up on #kubuntu-devel any time soon | 10:31 |
| mornfall | is that in main? it could possibly benefit from adept_batch methinks | 10:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: it can be only good - more effort on KDE | 10:32 |
| mornfall | Lure: i wish | 10:32 |
| Riddell | mornfall: apt:/ to try it out, using adept_batch is certainly an interesting idea | 10:33 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i think i had a discussion about kio-apt with its author (very long time ago) | 10:34 |
| Riddell | Lure: I'm skepical that we'll get much back from them, but we will see. it's still good news of course | 10:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: I just thinking that they will have same Ubuntu problems like you do (your cups example is good) and may get addressed faster | 10:36 |
| Lure | ;-) | 10:36 |
| Riddell | no mention of Kubuntu in that announcement I note :( | 10:37 |
| Lure | Yes, that is bad... | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can I ask your opinion on wlassistant vs knetworkmanager by default in dapper ? | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think networkmanager is not mature enough to go actually.... | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | having knetworkmanager in main, yes, but not by default to me | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: another reason is that knetworkmanager isn't of any use for non-wifi users and it autostarts... while wlassistant needs to be launched manually | 10:56 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: make it not autostart? | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: hum...... that's not it's purpose I think.... | 10:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we should follow ubuntu in use of network-manager | 10:57 |
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| Pygi | Riddel: ah | 10:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: wlassistant can only do wifi, knetworkmanager can do wired as well | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, sounds logic ;) | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is ubuntu thinking of using it by default if our current stuff is approved ? | 10:58 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: most likely... | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, right, but knetworkmanager cannot let you choose your ip parameters | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | when wlassistant let you do that ;) | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I agree we have to follow ubuntu on that point | 10:59 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you mean static IP? | 10:59 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: hack in that functionality | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: only dhcp | 10:59 |
| Riddell | Pygi: adding functionality to network-manager isn't the easiest of things :) | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe | 10:59 |
| Riddell | suse spent a week just drawing charts of how the thing worked | 10:59 |
| Pygi | Riddell: yes ... | 10:59 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: so if ubuntu doesn't use networkmanager by default, then we'll replace kwifimanager by wlassistant, right ? | 11:00 |
| Pygi | ...but it can still be done... | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | Pygi: I think it is annoucned for a later version | 11:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I haven't tested wlassistant yet, but I suspect it's the best option | 11:01 |
| Pygi | Tonio_: yes, 0.7 | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: "just works", yes :) | 11:01 |
| Lure | Riddell: wlassitant just works - plain simple | 11:01 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ;- | 11:01 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ;-) | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe | 11:02 |
| Lure | It just do not have WPA (and WPA is primary reason why NM has problems) ;-) | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it doesn't work as a daemon too, so need to make connection for each boot | 11:02 |
| Lure | as drivers (like you airo) seems to have problem with it | 11:02 |
| Pygi | WPA is not reason why NM have problems | 11:02 |
| Pygi | the problem is madwifi -old | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | that means, we would eventually have wlassistant for manual connection and knetworkconf for default boot config | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | not very convenient, but better than what we had with breezy ;) | 11:03 |
| Lure | Pygi: yes, scan issue, but modes of operation NM causes several drivers not to respond properly | 11:03 |
| Lure | for example, Riddell airo does not report any network, even though it works w/o NM | 11:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: way better than kwifimanager | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: wlassistant ? of course it si better :) kwifimanager is a pain | 11:05 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: I never met someone who succeed in connecting on a network with it, without going in shell dhcping or something | 11:05 |
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| uniq | riddell: ok, i'll drop krusader then. how do i ask for exception for kio-apt ? | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | uniq: make a launchpad bug like this one :https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdbus/+bug/34341 | 11:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 34341 in kdbus "UVF Exception 0.8.2 -> 0.8.6" [Normal,Confirmed] | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | need a few files too (buildlog etc....) | 11:07 |
| Lure | Tonio_: what is still to be done on repository of NM in order to all upgrade (and not keep back n-m package) | 11:07 |
| Riddell | uniq: don't drop krusader, it would be good to get the new vesion in if we can | 11:08 |
| uniq | riddell: ok, i agree. | 11:08 |
| uniq | tonio_: buildlog and? | 11:08 |
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| Riddell | wlassistant has an unintuitive user interface, single click on it to disconnect or connect | 11:08 |
| uniq | lure: you can test it if you want. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/dapper/krusader/ | 11:09 |
| Riddell | hmm, and Configure dialogue isn't a dialogue | 11:09 |
| Riddell | and the systray icon doesn't work | 11:09 |
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| Tonio_ | uniq: look at the bug I posted, needed files are in | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: configure dialog isn't a dialog ? | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | don't understand this | 11:10 |
| Lure | uniq: 1.70 starts faster, or I have wrong feeling? | 11:11 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: click Options button, it replaces the user interface rather than having a dialogue. not a big problem just against normal user interface design | 11:11 |
| Riddell | ksystraycmd doesn't work with kdesu | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: right | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | ugh | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will remove the systray, no pb | 11:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: .desktop file should have kdesu ksystraycmd wlassistant not ksystraycmd kdesu wlassistant | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why not kdesu wlassistant ? | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | did I do that error ? | 11:13 |
| uniq | lure: I don't know. Haven't used it much lately. | 11:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yeah, just get rid of the systray stuff, it doesn't do any good | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | I'm looking at the package, cause I think the .desktop patch wasn't provided by me.... I should have looked at that | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | aprt from that Riddell, works nice for you ? | 11:15 |
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| _Sime | mornfall: about adept in svn. Is tags.h checked in? | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if you're using my repo, you can update for corrected wlassistant package | 11:30 |
| Riddell | _Sime: did you get my notice about guidance yesterday? | 11:36 |
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| _Sime | maybe | 11:36 |
| _Sime | what was it? | 11:37 |
| Tm_T | bah, wordpress blahblah | 11:37 |
| Tm_T | now I have to make my own theme to wordpress too, it seems | 11:37 |
| Riddell | _Sime: if you open serviceconfig in system settings then click back and open userconfig or the like it crashes, serviceconfig is still making its cache | 11:38 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: [23:07] <Lure> Tonio_: what is still to be done on repository of NM in order to all upgrade (and not keep back n-m package) | 11:41 |
| kmon | Tonio_: Hi. I was wondering if you have any plans on including binary packages for amd64 arch on your kubuntu repo *the one with kpowersave, knetworkmanager, etc( | 11:42 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I see. | 11:47 |
| _Sime | it crashed here too | 11:47 |
| uniq | riddell & tonio_ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kio-apt/+bug/35921 Any obvious mistakes? | 11:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35921 in kio-apt "UVF Exception 0.11 -> 0.13" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 11:49 |
| Riddell | uniq: you should probably upload the new package to revu | 11:51 |
| uniq | revu.tauware.de as pre breezy? | 11:51 |
| Riddell | uniq: it changed at some point, use dput's default | 11:54 |
| uniq | fqdn = revu.tauware.de | 11:55 |
| uniq | as in that? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | if that's what dput says then yes | 11:57 |
| uniq | i doubt upload.ubuntu.com will accept me, if by default you refer to the default dput.cf settings. | 11:58 |
| Riddell | dput.cf has a revu option too | 11:58 |
| uniq | hmm.. the only revu option i can find in my dput.cf's is the one i've modified myself. | 11:59 |
| uniq | But i can try to upload. | 11:59 |
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| Riddell | use whatever the wiki page says then | 12:00 |
| uniq | I will. | 12:00 |
| uniq | uploaded. | 12:02 |
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