[12:05] <Dr_House> why do i keep getting "BREAK(install)" errors in adept?
[12:05] <fatejudger> Dr_House: did you install some weird packages for external repos?
[12:06] <Dr_House> fatejudger, possibly .. i'm just following instructions on here (http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs) in the hope that i can get kaffeine to play some videos
[12:07] <trappist> fatejudger: had to reboot for the new kernel, now have to find sources for the fglrx packages, so I'm x-less for now...
[12:07] <fatejudger> trappist: you didn't do that already?
[12:07] <fatejudger> trappist: fglrx should be in main
[12:07] <fatejudger> trappist: xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:08] <Dr_House> fatejudger did http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories mess me up?
[12:09] <fatejudger> Dr_House: are you using Breezy?
[12:09] <Dr_House> i'm using dapper
[12:09] <fatejudger> Dr_House: holy crap
[12:09] <Dr_House> lol .. what?
[12:09] <fatejudger> Dr_House: you shouldn't be using Dapper dude
[12:10] <fatejudger> Dr_House: you really have to know what you're doing
[12:10] <Dr_House> how come?
[12:10] <fatejudger> Dr_House: it's alpha
[12:10] <fatejudger> Dr_House: things break
[12:10] <Dr_House> gah .. for real? ... i asked a dude i know which version to use and he said to go with dapper cause its very customizable
[12:10] <Dr_House> but .. its not good for a newbie?
[12:10] <fatejudger> Dr_House: and if you didn't know that you just replaced your entire sources.list with one meant for a really old version of Kubuntu
[12:10] <fatejudger> Dr_House: then you should be using Breezy
[12:10] <Dr_House> lmfao fatejudger .. wow
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: yeah, btw, don't use ubuntuguide.org
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: it's kind of old
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: and breaks things
[12:11] <Dr_House> does breezy use the same interace as dapper?
[12:11] <Dr_House> interface*
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: yeah, it's the same thing
[12:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, KDE all the way
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: Dapper just as newer packages
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: you can use Dapper if you want
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: things just won't work like you expect though
[12:11] <fatejudger> Dr_House: sound will break every so often
[12:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> It's an alpha, or beta, not sure which. :P
[12:11] <Dr_House> is breezy easier to configure?
[12:11] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: alpha
[12:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[12:12] <fatejudger> Dr_House: it's the same thing
[12:12] <janeri> Anyone knows how to start ssh-agent with X with Kubuntu?
[12:12] <fatejudger> Dr_House: just newer packages
[12:12] <fatejudger> Dr_House: and you can actually get the newest version of KDE for Breezy
[12:12] <fatejudger> Dr_House: everything is stable in Breezy though
[12:12] <fatejudger> Dr_House: it's good for novice users that want everything to work
[12:13] <Dr_House> could i do some kind of sudo update command to get breezy?
[12:13] <fatejudger> Dr_House: Dapper is good us Linux nerds that love to experiment and don't mind things breaking
[12:13] <fatejudger> Dr_House: you'll have to reinstall
[12:13] <fatejudger> Dr_House: you can always keep Dapper
[12:13] <fatejudger> Dr_House: you just have to have some patience
[12:13] <Dr_House> yeah, but what good is dapper for me if it requires experience to get things to work
[12:13] <fatejudger> Dr_House: that's true
[12:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's where the channel comes in... :D
[12:13] <Dr_House> lol
[12:13] <fatejudger> Dr_House: it's up to you
[12:14] <Dr_House> i'll stick with dapper for now cause i dont feel like reinstalling just yet ... but .. how do i make it play media files?!
[12:14] <fatejudger> Dr_House: generally the consensus around here is if you can't fix most of your problems in Dapper you shouldn't be using it
[12:14] <Dr_House> lol
[12:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> I'm special - I break things in Breezy. :)
[12:14] <fatejudger> Dr_House: they'll teach newbies how to use Breezy
[12:14] <trappist> fatejudger: I had a dpkg-reversion that prevented removing the old fglrx package, so it didn't get upgraded
[12:15] <fatejudger> Dr_House: but not Dapper
[12:15] <Dr_House> if i get breezy, will the packages that i'm trying to install work?
[12:15] <fatejudger> Dr_House: at least I don't, and I know I'm not the only one
[12:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> What packages are you trying to install?
[12:15] <fatejudger> trappist: weird
[12:15] <Dr_House> CheeseBurgerMan stuff on http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> I'll try to tech them how to use Dapper or Breezy, but I have direct experience in Breezy
[12:15] <mart> anyone on AMD64 dapper?
[12:15] <fatejudger> trappist: did you get the new one working?
[12:15] <_mindspin> !ubuntuguide
[12:15] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is out of date, reported to break a lot and generally a bad source for information. Use help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[12:15] <Dr_House> ok, fatejudger i'll get breezy since it's better to learn on
[12:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: I had it for a few hours
[12:15] <Dr_House> mart, i am
[12:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Wow, hoary
[12:16] <Dr_House> ubotu thanks
[12:16] <ubotu> Dr_House: gern geschehen
[12:16] <mart> Dr_House: does the File->Open box in OpenOffice Writer work for you?
[12:16] <fatejudger> Dr_House: that's probably smart
[12:16] <fatejudger> Dr_House: btw, ubotu is a bot
[12:16] <fatejudger> lol
[12:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[12:16] <Dr_House> lmfao ..
[12:16] <fatejudger> don't worry, you aren't the first person to have thanked it
[12:17] <Dr_House> LMFAO
[12:17] <agalavis> in fact.. our friend ubotu is quite helpfull
[12:17] <fatejudger> trappist: did you give up or are you still troubleshooting?
[12:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> If I hadn't been  lucky enough to need to fix my stuff before I got on here, I'd probably have thanked it too. :P
[12:17] <Dr_House> ;)
[12:17] <fatejudger> yes, we all love ubotu
[12:18] <_mindspin> I didn't know ubotu speaks german
[12:18] <fatejudger> Dr_House: you'll like the default theme in Breezy a lot better
[12:18] <Dr_House> has anyone else noticed that flight5 is very sluggish, or is it just me?
[12:18] <fatejudger> Dr_House: they really screwed it up in Dapper
[12:18] <fatejudger> Dr_House: Flight 5 actually
[12:18] <fatejudger> Dr_House: sluggish how?
[12:18] <fatejudger> Dr_House: compared to Breezy?
[12:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: I prefered the default theme in Dapper to that of Breezy, but I changed both :P
[12:19] <Dr_House> the menus are slow in opening, text pop-up boxes are slow, adept loads slowly
[12:19] <mart> Dr_House: apparently it's faster to use 32 bit on an AMD64
[12:19] <Dr_House> fatejudger compared to windows ;)
[12:19] <Dr_House> mart, really?
[12:19] <mart> Dr_House: but I installed the 64 bit version and can't be bothered to change
[12:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> For just Flight-5, or just on everything?
[12:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[12:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> or on everything*
[12:20] <Dr_House> i haven't tried flight-4, but i think i'll install that version of breezy
[12:20] <Dr_House> as for amd64 or i386 .. i'm not sure
[12:20] <fatejudger> Dr_House: that isn't Breezy
[12:20] <fatejudger> Dr_House: Flight 4 is Dapper
[12:20] <mart> Dr_House: could you check that OpenOffice thing, please?  it's a pretty major regression if it's not just me...
[12:21] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: obviously you didn't use Flight 5
[12:21] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: because it's horrendous
[12:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: I did use it for a bit
[12:21] <mart> last flight I tried the LVM stuff just didn't work at all.
[12:21] <Dr_House> mart, what openoffice thing
[12:22] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: everything is crayon colored blue
[12:22] <Dr_House> fatejudger what's that?
[12:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, I know
[12:22] <mart> [23:13]  <mart> Dr_House: does the File->Open box in OpenOffice Writer work for you?
[12:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> I like blue
[12:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[12:22] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: I don't think you saw it
[12:22] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: because you wouldn't have liked it
[12:22] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: nobody could say that they liked it
[12:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmmm
[12:22] <mart> that new blue?  I preferred the old :(
[12:22] <Dr_House> mart, lol, no it doesn't
[12:22] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: even I blind person would scream if they used it
[12:22] <Dr_House> wtf
[12:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[12:22] <fatejudger> *even a
[12:23] <Dr_House> fatejudger is this what i need?  http://mirrors.unrealradio.org/Ubuntu/5.10/
[12:23] <mart> Dr_House: shit, that is a big bug
[12:23] <fatejudger> Dr_House: yes
[12:23] <Dr_House> mart, yeah lol i didnt even notice
[12:23] <Dr_House> fatejudger thanks
[12:23] <fatejudger> mart: you don't use KOffice?
[12:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: Where's a screenshot? I'd like to compare :P
[12:23] <mart> fatejudger: I do, in fact I'm a KOffice dev :)
[12:24] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=594&slide=6
[12:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Thanks
[12:24] <fatejudger> mart: then why are you complaining about OpenOffice bugs?
[12:24] <fatejudger> mart: which app do you develop for?
[12:24] <fatejudger> mart: I think I remember your name
[12:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> KOffice didn't like saving to docs, so I went back to OpenOffice.
[12:24] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: use RTF
[12:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> That, or MS Word didn't like opening them.
[12:24] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: rich text format
[12:25] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: MS word opens that
[12:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> I know
[12:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> I did end up doing that
[12:25] <mart> CheeseBurgerMan: KOffice can save to .doc, you just have to save as RTF, which is what Abiword, and MSWord does
[12:25] <fatejudger> KOffice is so much better than OpenOffice, it's amazing
[12:25] <mart> CheeseBurgerMan: at least, MS Word does that when exporting to a previous version
[12:25] <fatejudger> OOo takes about 12 seconds to load on my computer
[12:25] <mart> CheeseBurgerMan: it just saves a RTF file with a .doc extension
[12:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: Yup, it's the same thing that I had. I changed the buttons around a bit, but like it :P
[12:25] <fatejudger> compared to KWord's 2 seconds
[12:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> mart: I didn't know that, interesting.
[12:26] <mart> fatejudger: delete its config, takes even longer :)
[12:26] <Dr_House> installing applications in linux .. is it like installing them in windows where once you install something, it appears on the start menu equivalent in linux?
[12:26] <fatejudger> mart: are you one of the Kexi devels?
[12:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just tell it to save, and then let it do it's thing. ;)
[12:26] <mart> Dr_House: yeah
[12:26] <mart> fatejudger: most of my code is in Kexi, yes
[12:26] <fatejudger> mart: that's where I saw you then
[12:26] <fatejudger> mart: does Kexi have a report generator now?
[12:27] <Dr_House> i'm gonna try to learn C code o_O
[12:27] <mart> fatejudger: yeah, not sure if it's enabled by default in KOffice 1.5 though
[12:27] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: did you see the screenshot?
[12:27] <mart> fatejudger: can't remember
[12:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: Yes
[12:27] <fatejudger> mart: that's why I had to use MS Access
[12:27] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: horrible isn't it
[12:28] <mart> Dr_House: check the Qt tutorial :)
[12:28] <fatejudger> mart: that's just mean
[12:28] <fatejudger> lol
[12:28] <mart> hey, the Qt tutorial is great :)
[12:28] <fatejudger> mart: he doesn't even know C++
[12:28] <mart> you get a window application within an hour :)
[12:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: Does your boot screen look anything like that?
[12:29] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: oh yes
[12:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mine's a HORRID gradient from pink to green. :o
[12:29] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: everything looked exactly like the screenshot
[12:29] <Sassafras> hello
[12:29] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: lol, something is wrong with your computer then
[12:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[12:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Funny thing is
[12:29] <fatejudger> mart: QT still confuses me a bit though
[12:29] <Sassafras> I have a question
[12:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> When I tried the 32bit version of Kubuntu, it was blue
[12:29] <fatejudger> mart: although it is strikingly similar to Java's Swing
[12:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sassafras: Ask away...
[12:30] <Sassafras> I have ubuntu, and am installing kde for it right now, I just want to know how to remove gnome after kde is installed
[12:30] <fatejudger> mart: there is no Java version of QT
[12:30] <fatejudger> mart: it just feels like QT
[12:30] <fatejudger> mart: the way it works
[12:30] <mart> fatejudger: that's why I can't wait to see it
[12:30] <mart> fatejudger: due for release sometime this year
[12:31] <fatejudger> mart: oh, I'm talking about Swing
[12:31] <fatejudger> mart: not that
[12:31] <fatejudger> mart: Java is just evil though
[12:31] <fatejudger> mart: there's no reason to use it
[12:31] <mart> well, it is a safe language ...
[12:32] <mart> it's embarassing that we're still using languages that don't enforce memory safety
[12:32] <fatejudger> mart: it isn't safe for my sanity
[12:32] <fatejudger> mart: and that's what's important
[12:32] <fatejudger> mart: OOo is very slow because it has to load the Virtual Machine
[12:32] <mart> fatejudger: still, I'd rather have a language with no buffer overflows
[12:32] <fatejudger> mart: not just because it's bloated
[12:32] <mart> fatejudger: that's not really true
[12:32] <duckdown> How can I make friggin apt-get stop asking for my bloody Install CD and just fetch from ONLINE
[12:32] <fatejudger> mart: then use Ruby or Python
[12:32] <mart> fatejudger: barely any of oo.o uses the JVM
[12:33] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: not only that, it loads the entire OOo core for just one part of the suite
[12:33] <mart> fatejudger: ruby? don't make me laugh
[12:33] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's true
[12:33] <mart> fatejudger: it's nearly as bad as php
[12:33] <fatejudger> mart: Python and Ruby are almost identical
[12:33] <fatejudger> mart: what's wrong with PHP?
[12:33] <KaoticEvil> duckdown: remove the CD from your sources
[12:33] <mart> fatejudger: it's semantics changes between point releases!!
[12:33] <fatejudger> mart: barely
[12:34] <mart> fatejudger: I had some code that was safe with 4.1.2 and was expolited in 4.1.3
[12:34] <fatejudger> mart: more like whole number version
[12:34] <mart> that's how much it changed
[12:34] <fatejudger> mart: meh, that rarely happens
[12:34] <mart> fatejudger: it happened twice to me
[12:35] <mart> the KDE website broke for 4.1.3 too
[12:35] <KaoticEvil> is there some way to check how my kernel is configured?
[12:35] <mart> fatejudger: which meant that everyone was holding back from updating their servers
[12:35] <KaoticEvil> mart: the latest is not always the greatest ;)
[12:36] <fatejudger> mart: PHP is generally a very solid language
[12:36] <mart> KaoticEvil: it's a point release, ffs,  the latest point release is always supposed to be the greatest in that series
[12:36] <fatejudger> mart: and this one exploit isn't indicative of how the language stands up as a whole on the topic of security
[12:36] <mart> point releases are for bug fixes, not for changes in language semantics
[12:36] <fatejudger> mart: well PHP 4 is pretty old
[12:36] <fatejudger> mart: they're already working on PHP 6
[12:37] <fatejudger> mart: and I'm sure they've learned from their mistake
[12:37] <fatejudger> *mistakes
[12:37] <KaoticEvil> mart: for *anything* the latest is not always the greatest. and there are always going to be instances where fixing one bug breaks something else
[12:37] <mart> fatejudger: this was in the last two years or so
[12:37] <fatejudger> mart: tell me then, what web scripting language is better than PHP?
[12:37] <fatejudger> mart: you've already dissed Ruby
[12:37] <mart> KaoticEvil: don't think you get the point of point releases?
[12:37] <fatejudger> mart: which means you aren't a fan of Rails
[12:37] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: asp? :P
[12:37] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: lol
[12:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[12:37] <JakubS> bash?
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> mart: as a programmer, i do understand point releases
[12:38] <fatejudger> JakubS: WEB scripting languages
[12:38] <mart> you can code cgi in bash :)
[12:38] <fatejudger> ...
[12:38] <JakubS> fatejudger: heh, you think it is impossible to serve cgi with bash?
[12:38] <fatejudger> that's horrible
[12:38] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: i know... vbscript :-D
[12:38] <mart> oh, you want me to suggest a better langauge?
[12:38] <fatejudger> mart: that's the idea
[12:39] <fatejudger> mart: Rails and PHP are the two big players
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> JakubS: you can use PHP in cli mode as well... doesnt make it a good idea ;)
[12:39] <mart> hmmm, the problem with languages is that the better languages suffer from lack of tool support
[12:39] <JakubS> Kamping_Kaiser: why? i have been doing it for a long time, works ok
[12:39] <fatejudger> mart: PHP isn't supposed to be a Java applet
[12:39] <mart> fatejudger: I know
[12:39] <fatejudger> mart: it's supposed to do basic server side tasks well
[12:39] <fatejudger> mart: and it does it
[12:40] <JakubS> to reuse some components that i previously written for web
[12:40] <mart> fatejudger: my evidence above shows that it does not
[12:40] <KaoticEvil> mart: is there something better?
[12:40] <mart> fatejudger: also consider the history of php vulnerabilities that have arisen strictly through poor language design
[12:40] <fatejudger> mart: one example
[12:40] <fatejudger> mart: that isn't enough to discredit a language
[12:41] <fatejudger> mart: Java has screwed up more than once
[12:41] <KaoticEvil> . o O ( i thought java WAS a screw up.... )
[12:41] <mart> fatejudger: sure it is, there's no excuse for poor language *design*
[12:41] <fatejudger> mart: you still haven't told me a better language
[12:41] <mart> fatejudger: you keep interrupting me as I'm typing, thats why
[12:42] <fatejudger> mart: is the name really that long?
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. this may be -offtopic....
[12:42] <mart> fatejudger: there isn't a one stop shop for excellent languages for web design
[12:43] <fatejudger> mart: you can't think of a better language
[12:43] <fatejudger> mart: I rest my case
[12:43] <ep> What is mozilla-firefox packaged version?
[12:43] <mart> fatejudger: so if I'm going to suggest better languages, you have to accept that the support for web design in them isn't great
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ep: where?
[12:43] <mart> fatejudger: but that they are in fact, better designed languages
[12:43] <fatejudger> mart: then how are they better?
[12:43] <ep> ubuntu's
[12:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> 1.0.7
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ep: Breezy has 1.0.7, dapper has 1.5.something
[12:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kamping_Kaiser: 1.5.0.1 I believe
[12:44] <mart> fatejudger: because they have well defined semantics, are type safe, support dynamic dispatch
[12:44] <mart> ...
[12:44] <KaoticEvil> who all is running Dapper currently?
[12:44] <fatejudger> mart: and do absolutely nothing
[12:44] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I am
[12:44] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: how's it run?
[12:44] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: great
[12:44] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: sound mixing doesn't work
[12:45] <mart> fatejudger: what gave you that idea?  have you ever actually studied language design?
[12:45] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I can't get it to work with ALSA
[12:45] <KaoticEvil> any problems with the upgrade or anything?
[12:45] <KaoticEvil> so you've no sound?
[12:45] <fatejudger> mart: no
[12:45] <mart> pfffff
[12:45] <fatejudger> mart: I'm also not a snob and don't complain about meaningless things
[12:45] <KaoticEvil> lol
[12:45] <mart> fatejudger: getting a server hacked wasn't meaningless to me
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> KaoticEvil: I'm running dapper
[12:46] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: so you dont have any sound in dapper?
[12:46] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I have sound
[12:46] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I can't mix the sound
[12:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> mart: That sucks, lose anything important?
[12:47] <KaoticEvil> oh, ok
[12:47] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: dmix isn't working
[12:47] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: you CAN get it working, I just don't know how
[12:47] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: and I don't have the time to figure it out
[12:47] <KaoticEvil> lol
[12:47] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: it's very annoying
[12:47] <KaoticEvil> i bet
[12:47] <KaoticEvil> some one got a link for the repos to add?
[12:47] <mart> CheeseBurgerMan: nah, it was just used as an open relay - the input sanitising broken due to the php update to 4.1.3, and I got a mail header injection vulnerability
[12:48] <fatejudger> mart: well you can go ahead and use your extremely secure language to create an extremely stable "hello world" program then
[12:48] <fatejudger> mart: at least you could say it isn't vulnerable to hacking
[12:48] <mart> fatejudger: why so rude?
[12:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: It'd be more work to make a "hello world" program that DID crash than to make one that didn't. :P
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. everyone involved in the language discusion move into #Kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic thanks, this is completely un-ubuntu related
[12:49] <fatejudger> print "Hello word";  x = 1/0;
[12:49] <fatejudger> lol
[12:49] <fatejudger> *world
[12:49] <fatejudger> Kamping_Kaiser: are you the IRC police?
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatejudger: not as such.
[12:50] <mart> fatejudger: he has a point
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatejudger: I'm alsking people to move in accordance with channel rules - i cant back it up with ops though
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> *asking
[12:50] <mart> anyway, it's not going anywhere - I think we have sufficiently different backgrounding in the subject that it's not worth pursuing.
[12:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> fatejudger: And you need someone in power to give advice before you listen?
[12:51] <fatejudger> CheeseBurgerMan: no, I just don't need people lecturing me on idealistic language design
[12:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> That wasn't at all related to my point...
[12:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Although I cannot write scripts of any kind, so I don't side with either of you.
[12:52] <mart> heh, 'idealistic'
[12:52] <mart> sorry.
[12:53] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: shouldn't it be a cough?
[12:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> no, becaused i sneezed
[12:53] <KaoticEvil> :)
[12:53] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: I see...
[12:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> haha
[12:54] <fatejudger> what ever happened to the guy that was trying to install compiz and XGL on KDE?
[12:54] <mart> maybe his X session died...
[12:54] <fatejudger> lol, probably
[12:54] <fatejudger> has anyone gotten that working?
[12:54] <agalavis> mine did when i tried...
[12:54] <agalavis> died i mean
[12:55] <slow-motion> n8
[12:56] <mart> fatejudger: are you at school/university?
[12:57] <fatejudger> mart: yes
[12:58] <fatejudger> mart: techincally I'm a freshman, but I took Computer Science classes at my local JC during high school
[12:58] <mart> fatejudger: well, (sorry to drag this out but) if you get the chance, I really recommend doing a course on language design  - in my undergrad degree, it was *the* single most interesting part of the course
[12:58] <fatejudger> so I have a fair amoutn of experience
[12:58] <fatejudger> mart: I'll have to wait until I transfer to UCSD
[12:58] <mart> UCSD?
[12:58] <fatejudger> mart: since they don't offer that where I'm at right now
[12:59] <fatejudger> mart: University of California at San Diego
[12:59] <mart> ah
[01:01] <uNcLePeAr> e porcoddue
[01:01] <mart> does ubotu know !it ?
[01:02] <mart> !it
[01:02] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:02] <[BANNED] > Hey, could anyone help me getting KDE onto ubuntu?
[01:02] <uNcLePeAr> sry ...
[01:02] <mart> ok :)
[01:02] <uNcLePeAr> :)
[01:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> mart: Dunno, try it. :P
[01:03] <[BANNED] > I have installed on my system already
[01:03] <[BANNED] > now I just need to know how to kill gnome and run kde
[01:03] <KaoticEvil> [BANNED] : you should be able to select your window manager when you're at the login screen
[01:03] <ryanakca> [BANNED] : go "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[01:04] <ryanakca> [BANNED] : do you want to get rid of gnome completly too?
[01:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> [BANNED] : Open a terminal and type in sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:04] <[BANNED] > ok
[01:04] <[BANNED] > yes i want to get rid of gnome completely
[01:05] <mart> that's the spirit
[01:05] <ryanakca> ok, just a second...
[01:05] <KaoticEvil> mart: i run Gnome, KDE, and XFCE on this box
[01:05] <fatejudger> Gnome is so damn ugly
[01:05] <[BANNED] > E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[01:05] <fatejudger> and unusable
[01:05] <[BANNED] > it is
[01:05] <mart> KaoticEvil: at the same time? you have too many monitors :)
[01:05] <ryanakca> [BANNED] : http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage            sorry for pinging you there robotgeek
[01:06] <fatejudger> it treats me like I'm an idiot
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> [BANNED] : run what it said
[01:06] <KaoticEvil> mart: no, not at the same time
[01:06] <mart> KaoticEvil: um, I wasn't been entirely serious with the "that's the spirit" comment - should have had an appropriate smiley
[01:07] <KaoticEvil> ah
[01:07] <ryanakca> [BANNED] : copy that into a file called CleanPackage in your home folder, and them go "chmod 777 CleanPackage". Then go "sudo ./Cleanpackage"
[01:07] <[BANNED] > ok
[01:08] <ryanakca> [BANNED] : only do that once you've run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[01:08] <[BANNED] > ok
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ryanakca: what's cleanpakage do? (in short?)
[01:08] <ryanakca> oh, and you'll need to change "PKG_KEEP=xubuntu-desktop" to "PKG_KEEP=kubuntu-desktop"
[01:09] <ryanakca> Kamping_Kaiser: it removes the packages that the metapackage xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu/*buntu-desktop installs while leaving the packages that xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu/*buntu installed
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ryanakca: oh neat. *goes and saves*
[01:09] <ryanakca> Kamping_Kaiser: so say you wanted to remove xubuntu, and keep kubuntu, it would do that for you, once configured
[01:10] <mart> pretty useful, never seen it mentioned anywhere
[01:10] <ryanakca> Kamping_Kaiser: not mine though... robotgeek wrote it... again, sorry for pinging you
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ryanakca: i noticed the url :)
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> mart: hm. funky
[01:11] <KaoticEvil> wow, this IS a neat lil script
[01:13] <ryanakca> how do you set aptitude up to look like this: http://aptitude.sourceforge.net/screenshots/aptitude-split-disp.jpg   ?
[01:18] <zucco> what package manager like synaptic is made for kubuntu ?
[01:19] <zucco> the adept don't load for me
[01:19] <mart> zucco: what's wrong with it?
[01:19] <teletran> adept, but I just use synaptic
[01:19] <zucco> I using Dapper 5, and adept don't run :-(
[01:20] <mart> zucco: doesn't even prompt for a password?
[01:20] <zucco> I am using aptitude in prompt
[01:20] <zucco> mart, yes, and I enter a password but nothing happens
[01:20] <KaoticEvil> zucco: try running "kdesu adept" from a run box
[01:21] <zucco> KaoticEvil: ok, I will try, please wait
[01:21] <KaoticEvil> zucco: several people have reported that adept doesnt run properly when launched from the K menu...
[01:21] <zucco> KaoticEvil: yes, now adept work
[01:21] <zucco> it is a bug ?
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> zucco: no clue if its a bug or not
[01:22] <zucco> KaoticEvil: ok, thank you
[01:22] <Snake__> KaoticEvil: breezy?
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> all i know is that ive seen several people say that adept doesnt run properly in dapper, however "kdesu adept" seems to be a work around
[01:22] <KaoticEvil> Snake__: i'm running breezy, yes
[01:23] <Blissex> KaoticEvil: 'adept' will run properly only as 'root'.
[01:23] <Snake__> KaoticEvil: I know, but are you talking about adept not running right from kmenu in breezy?
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> Snake__: no, dapper
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> Blissex: thats why you add "kdesu" in front of it
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> its like "sudo apt-get install <some package>"
[01:23] <KaoticEvil> only its the KDE variant :)
[01:24] <Snake__> zucco: , KaoticEvil I dont think its a bug, but more of a "oops" on the devs part
[01:24] <KaoticEvil> very possibly, Snake__
[01:25] <KaoticEvil> i assume that KDE logs error message somewhere
[01:25] <Snake__> KaoticEvil: check /var/logs?
[01:26] <KaoticEvil> you may be able to check an error log somewhere, zucco, to see if there's some output
[01:26] <KaoticEvil> Snake__: i dont know... im backing up ~ :)
[01:26] <Snake__> KaoticEvil: I think its /var/log/kdm.log
[01:26] <mart> KaoticEvil: possibly .xsession-errors in your home dir says what's going on
[01:26] <KaoticEvil> probably
[01:27] <KaoticEvil> gods dammit
[01:27] <KaoticEvil> ack! wrong window
[01:31] <fatejudger> !xgl
[01:31] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[01:31] <laszlok> my glxgears wont output the framerate
[01:32] <KaoticEvil> whats xgl? OpenGL version for X?
[01:32] <jmcnutt> im trying to use 915resolution to fix my kubuntu res but it doesn't work, any other way to fix it?
[01:32] <mart> laszlok: it should say on the terminal, no?
[01:32] <mart> jmcnutt: krandrtray
[01:33] <jmcnutt> mart, thanks
[01:33] <_jonathan> hello all, I'm looking for a podcast client that will also do videocasts
[01:33] <laszlok> mart: it doesnt output anything
[01:33] <mart> laszlok: see your point....
[01:34] <mart> laszlok: oh, don't you have to wait
[01:34] <mart> ?
[01:34] <mart> hmmm....
[01:35] <laszlok> mart: how long, i waited about a minute before killing it
[01:35] <mart> laszlok: nah, it should be about five seconds
[01:35] <mart> laszlok: think you'll have to build it yourself
[01:37] <mart> laszlok: hmmm, even from source it's not telling me....
[01:38] <laszlok> well this isnt the real problem
[01:39] <laszlok> im trying to install Cedega but it says the 3d acceleration test failed
[01:39] <mart> laszlok: glxgears -printfps
[01:39] <laszlok> is there an option in xorg.conf to enable it?
[01:40] <nalioth> mart: that is not the correct flag for glxgears
[01:40] <mart> nalioth: according to the source it is...
[01:40] <nalioth> !glxgears
[01:40] <ubotu> To display the FPS type "glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark"
[01:40] <ksieciu> hi
[01:41] <mart> nalioth: gives me the same result...
[01:42] <mart>       else if ((strcmp(argv[i] , "-iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark") == 0) ||
[01:42] <mart>                (strcmp(argv[i] , "-printfps") == 0)) {
[01:42] <mart>          printfps = GL_TRUE;
[01:42] <mart> looks like the same option to me
[01:43] <Random_Transit> hey, does anyone here know how to create a bootable DVD image?
[01:43] <frank23> laszlok: do you have 3d drivers installed?
[01:43] <laszlok> weird, not 3d acceleratio is detected
[01:43] <laszlok> s/not/now
[01:44] <frank23> mart: glxinfo | grep direct will tell you if 3d is available now
[01:44] <mart> laszlok: see above :)
[01:44] <frank23> mart: glxgears fps is not a great way to see if 3d works. I got 200 fps and 3d is working fine
[01:45] <mart> frank23: you should be talking to laszlok
[01:45] <frank23> mart: oh. yeah.. oops
[01:45] <laszlok> frank23: of course, but before i ran "glxgears -printfps" Cedega couldnt detect it
[01:45] <mart> frank23: I have enough 3D to run tuxracer (or whatever it's called now) so I dont' care :)
[01:46] <frank23> laszlok: try  glxinfo | grep direct will tell you if 3d is available now
[01:46] <laszlok> but the wiki says if 3d acceleration is installed you should get 1000+ FPS
[01:46] <frank23> laszlok: in my case that is wrong, I get less than 1000 and 3d works
[01:46] <mart> laszlok: just goes to show you can't believe everything you hear on the 'net :)
[01:47] <laszlok> mart: planet penguin racer
[01:47] <laszlok> frank23: is also depends on the size of the window
[01:47] <frank23> laszlok: try  what does   glxinfo | grep direct
[01:48] <KaoticEvil> ok, now this is wierd...
[01:49] <laszlok> says YES
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> yesterday, Direct Rendering wasnt working
[01:49] <Kyral> Feck I need w32codecs after all
[01:49] <frank23> laszlok: direct rendering yes means that 3d is working....
[01:49] <laszlok> but direct rendering != 3d acceleration, right?
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> last nite, i had a kernel panic (at least i assume it was, my box locked up tight as a drum)
[01:49] <KaoticEvil> and now it says Yes
[01:49] <Kyral> !codecs
[01:49] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[01:52] <Kyral> unless someone can tell me another way to play Matroska
[01:52] <frank23> Kyral: use kaffeine-xine
[01:52] <Kyral> frank23: I am
[01:52] <frank23> Kyral: it's not working?  did you change the engine in kaffeine?
[01:53] <Kyral> Mplayer won't, XINE won't, VLC won't
[01:53] <_jonathan> Hi all, again, Does anyone know of a linux videocast client?
[01:53] <frank23> Kyral: vlc won't but xine should
[01:53] <crimsun> err what?
[01:53] <crimsun> vlc doesn't?
[01:54] <frank23> crimsun: no vlc in ubuntu, mkv is not compiled in
[01:54] <crimsun> (why don't people file bugs on these things?)
[01:54] <nalioth> frank23: in vlc, mplayer and others , there are lots of missing codecs (due to legalities)
[01:54] <Kyral> nope
[01:54] <Kyral> It used to lol
[01:54] <frank23> nalioth: mkv is gpl I'm sure. It's just a container
[01:54] <Kyral> but then again I also had w32codecs
[01:55] <crimsun> crimsun@mika:~/porting/vlc/vlc-0.8.4.debian$ grep -nH mkv debian/rules
[01:55] <crimsun> debian/rules:55:        --enable-mkv \
[01:55] <laszlok> frank23: mkv?
[01:55] <nalioth> laszlok: matroska video format
[01:55] <Kyral> Well, actually
[01:55] <crimsun> it's definitely enabled. If it doesn't work, file a bug.
[01:55] <Kyral> VLC crashes :P
[01:55] <crimsun> I can't fix things I don't know about...
[01:56] <Kyral> and I need to go to a floor meeting...bbiab
[01:57] <Kyral> or not
[01:58] <Kyral> why is there a libmatroska-dev but no libmatroska?
[01:58] <frank23> Kyral: In my case, kaffeine-xine from kde 3.5.1 plays mkv
[01:59] <Kyral> oy...
[02:00] <Zarephath> When I open my network folders and select samba shares I see all of them...I have succesfully connected from this ubuntu machine to the other ubuntu machine using gnome...when in click on the homes folder I get a message saying there is nothing there...? this is flight 5 install of KDE
[02:00] <KaoticEvil> correct me if im wrong, but if Direct Rending is working, i should have OpenGL hardware acceleration, right?
[02:01] <frank23> KaoticEvil: AFAIK yes
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> then whats going on?
[02:01] <KaoticEvil> glxinfo says that DRI is enabled, but OpenGL is still VERY slow
[02:01] <nalioth> Zarephath: what did you need earlier?
[02:01] <frank23> KaoticEvil: what are you running?
[02:02] <pospeselr> How do I have amarok stream video over a network so it will play on another computer's speakers? I'm using KDE, and have checked enable "networked sound" on both computers, but it is not clear what else I have to do
[02:02] <mart> pospeselr: video, playing through speakers? wow :)
[02:02] <pospeselr> bah, audio
[02:03] <KaoticEvil> frank23: Breezy
[02:03] <frank23> KaoticEvil: I mean what game? or opengl program?
[02:03] <mart> pospeselr: I think there's an environment variable but I can't remember
[02:03] <KaoticEvil> actually, it's just the OpenGL screensavers
[02:04] <frank23> KaoticEvil: oh. do you have any cpu intensive program running?
[02:04] <Kyral> Time to see if good old Xine will do it
[02:04] <KaoticEvil> i dont expect them to be REALLY fast, considering the rest of my hardware, but they arent any faster than they were before
[02:04] <Kyral> Xine-Ui I mean
[02:05] <KaoticEvil> frank23: all im doing is copying some files over my network and playing some music in xmms
[02:05] <frank23> Kyral: I tried mplayer and that works too although I'm not sure how to select audio/subtitle track with it
[02:05] <Kyral> frank23: I dunno
[02:05] <Kyral> are you in Dapper?
[02:05] <frank23> Kyral: no, breezy
[02:05] <mart> pospeselr: oh, amarok probably isn't using the kde sound system....
[02:06] <mart> pospeselr: check what engine it's using.
[02:06] <Kyral> frank23: this may be a problem with Dapper then
[02:06] <pospeselr> i'm using xine
[02:07] <pospeselr> i should have to give the ip address of the computer I want audio to play on, but I can't seem to find anything like that
[02:07] <KaoticEvil> hmmm... it must have been one of them killing it, it works now
[02:07] <KaoticEvil> wierd
[02:07] <KaoticEvil> yay! i have Hardware 3D acceleration! :d
[02:07] <frank23> KaoticEvil: ;)
[02:08] <KaoticEvil> another linux first for me!
[02:08] <KaoticEvil> i may not be reinstalling
[02:09] <Kyral> Gah I think it was this encoding
[02:09] <Kyral> Matroska is a CONTAINER...
[02:10] <crimsun> indeed
[02:10] <Kyral> and my other .mkvs work
[02:10] <ryanakca> does an intel815 video card support opengl? how can you tell if you have hardware 3d accelleration... seeing that we're on topic...
[02:10] <frank23> Kyral: other mkv videos works?
[02:10] <crimsun> now please go away before I taunt you a second time.
[02:10] <crimsun> :P
[02:10] <Kyral> he farkin' converted a damn good AVI to something I cannot play!
[02:10] <crimsun> (I mean heck, I do look after Ubuntu's vlc package, so I _should_ know...)
[02:10] <nalioth> Kyral: show him what "open source" means
[02:11] <Kyral> crimsun: VLC crashed outright :P
[02:11] <crimsun> Kyral: don't make me point to you Malone
[02:11] <Kyral> crimsun: I know I know :P
[02:11] <Kyral> I'll get your STrace later
[02:12] <frank23> crimsun: are all the debian packages divided among the motu people?
[02:17] <Kyral> hmm
[02:17] <Kyral> I like Codeine....
[02:17] <Random_Transit> codeine?!
[02:18] <Kyral> The video player
[02:18] <Kyral> down boy :P
[02:18] <Random_Transit> wow...i've actually not heard of it
[02:18] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install codeine
[02:18] <Random_Transit> thanx
[02:18] <Kyral> its basically Kaffeine light
[02:18] <Random_Transit> ahh
[02:18] <Kyral> kinda has some nice features
[02:19] <frank23> Kyral: codeine is not in the repos
[02:19] <Kyral> like when it starts it immeadiatly gives the "Open file"
[02:19] <Kyral> frank23: is in Dapper :P
[02:19] <frank23> Kyral: oh!
[02:20] <Kyral> and its powered by Xine so :D
[02:20] <Random_Transit> now THAT i like
[02:20] <Kyral> the player?
[02:21] <Random_Transit> xine
[02:21] <Kyral> lol
[02:21] <Kyral> I like Codeine actually
[02:21] <Random_Transit> xine > than most media players
[02:21] <Random_Transit> xine + mplayer
[02:21] <Kyral> When I open a Video Player, I don't wanna futz with playlists
[02:21] <Random_Transit> amaroK for music
[02:21] <Kyral> I just wanna watch an episode of anime damnit :P
[02:22] <Random_Transit> lol...i don't watch EPISODES...but entire SEASONS
[02:22] <Kyral> Jeez man, not in one sitting
[02:22] <Random_Transit> no
[02:22] <Random_Transit> but a few episodes at a time
[02:22] <Random_Transit> i'm obviously embellishing
[02:23] <Random_Transit> though it depends on the series
[02:23] <Random_Transit> Full Metal Alchemist...yeah...more please!
[02:26] <crimsun> frank23: no, we maintain the whole shebang as a team
[02:26] <mart> well, if anyone fancies uploading a version of ilohamail without the security bug....
[02:26] <crimsun> frank23: speaking of universe and multiverse for MOTU, of course. main follows the same team idea.
[02:27] <frank23> crimsun: so when you said you maintain vlc, it's not only you.
[02:27] <mart> crimsun: is there a security team in the same way that debian has one?
[02:27] <Sassafras> hello
[02:27] <mart> hi Sassafras
[02:28] <Sassafras> I was in here a while ago asking how to install kde
[02:28] <crimsun> frank23: correct. On the other hand, we have the idea of the contact, i.e., someone who primarily looks after a package(s)
[02:28] <Sassafras> I followed the instructions, and it installed every kde program, but the bottom and top bar are still gnome
[02:28] <crimsun> mart: not per se
[02:28] <crimsun> mart: I've glanced at the dsa but haven't gotten a change to do debdiffs yet
[02:29] <mart> Sassafras: you did something like install kubuntu-desktop?
[02:29] <nalioth> Sassafras: at your login window, click on "sessions" and choose 'kde'
[02:29] <Sassafras> yes
[02:29] <Sassafras> ok
[02:29] <Sassafras> then brb logging out
[02:29] <crimsun> s/change/chance/
[02:30] <mart> crimsun: thanks, would be much appreciated
[02:38] <oxez> how can I make kcontrol look like the one in plain kde?
[02:38] <frank23> oxez: run kcontrol from konsole?
[02:39] <oxez> frank23, oh rofl. I thought the option from the K menu was kcontrol, i guess it was not :/
[02:39] <oxez> thanks :|
[02:39] <frank23> oxez: no it's system-settings or something like that
[02:39] <oxez> yea just noticed
[02:39] <oxez> I should have looked before
[02:43] <crimsun> mart: uploaded to Dapper, will work on Breezy, et al. later. Thanks for reminding me.
[02:43] <mart> crimsun: cool, thanks
[03:07] <KaoticEvil> why is there no Kernel management in kcontrol?
[03:08] <mart> KaoticEvil: I didn't think it was maintained?
[03:08] <KaoticEvil> mart: i remember seeing a kernel management section when i was running slackware
[03:09] <mart> KaoticEvil: yeah, I remember it in Debian, but it never worked
[03:09] <mart> KaoticEvil: I assumed they'd canned it.
[03:09] <KaoticEvil> it worked for me on slack...
[03:09] <mart> KaoticEvil: recently?
[03:10] <KaoticEvil> slack 9 lol
[03:10] <KaoticEvil> i could never get slack 10.1 to install
[03:10] <KaoticEvil> but anyway...
[03:10] <KaoticEvil> is there an easy way (prefereably GUI) to control what kernel modules are loaded at boot time?
[03:10] <mart> heh - it took me about 6 goes to install FreeBSD, and then it wouldn't pick up a network address :)
[03:10] <Thedek> Can someone help me with some samba / fstab type stuff?  It's probably simple, just haven't figured it out.
[03:11] <mart> KaoticEvil: kernel modules are normally loaded as required automatically
[03:11] <KaoticEvil> Thedek: are you trying to get your samba shares mounted with /etc/fstab?
[03:11] <Thedek> Yes, and it works (but only as root)
[03:11] <KaoticEvil> mart: well, ive got a bunch that are loaded that i dont need
[03:11] <KaoticEvil> namely, RAID and blurtooth
[03:11] <KaoticEvil> blue*
[03:11] <mart> KaoticEvil: ah, they don't bother me, I guess they end up being swapped out, so I can't see them being a problem
[03:12] <KaoticEvil> Thedek: i dont know.. i cant get it working either (except as root)
[03:12] <KaoticEvil> mart: ive only got 256MB of RAM...
[03:12] <mart> Thedek: you need to mount it, rather than just use it in konqueror?
[03:12] <KaoticEvil> and a 400MHz celeron
[03:12] <Thedek> I even added 'user' to the options, and it gives me a weirder error than without it.
[03:12] <mart> KaoticEvil: well RAM isn't a problem if it's swapped out :)
[03:12] <Thedek> Yeah, I need to mount it as my user, not root, otherwise it's ro and I need rw.
[03:13] <KaoticEvil> Thedek: i have to mount it as root, but i have rw access to it...
[03:13] <mart> Thedek: no, I mean do you have to mount it at all?
[03:13] <mart> Thedek: isn't konqueror enough?
[03:13] <Thedek> Hrmm, guess i'll play with it some more.  It *might* be the samba permissions itself.
[03:13] <KaoticEvil> Thedek: would you like to see my fstab mount line?
[03:13] <Thedek> No, if I click on it in konq, it says only root can mount it (even with 'user' option)
[03:13] <Thedek> sure
[03:13] <KaoticEvil> wait one
[03:14] <mart> Thedek: no, I mean you don't have to add anything to your fstab file to read windows shares
[03:14] <KaoticEvil> /kazmatash/KittC /home/kao/data/kitt/c smbfs noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,auto,rw,users,credentials=/etc/fstab_smb_credentials_1 0 0
[03:14] <mart> Thedek: if only kde apps need access to the share, you don't need to mount it
[03:14] <Thedek> hrmm, haven't tried the uid and gid
[03:14] <Thedek> It's not a windows share, it's samba share on another kubuntu box
[03:15] <KaoticEvil> Thedek: use NFS for linux <-> linux networking
[03:15] <KaoticEvil> samba is for windows <-> linux networking
[03:15] <mart> KaoticEvil: he's gone
[03:15] <KaoticEvil> he wasnt when i was typing :P
[03:15] <mart> why do that stuff on the command line anyway?
[03:16] <KaoticEvil> huh?
[03:16] <KaoticEvil> what? the samba mounting?
[03:16] <mart> KaoticEvil: the KDE gui is dead easy to use, no need for fiddling as root in system files
[03:16] <KaoticEvil> mart: i first got a good linux learning on slackware
[03:16] <KaoticEvil> doing things with su
[03:17] <KaoticEvil> so im used to it.. and besides that, i grew up on a command line OS
[03:17] <mart> KaoticEvil: I'm trying to train myself out of using the CLI for everything - people watch you and they think that that's how linux has to be :)
[03:17] <purplefeltangel> i am trying to compile a package and it says that i need "all the KDE and QT 1.4x development files." i know QT has progressed beyond 1.4 but i am hoping it will work anyway; what iwant to know is what packages should i download?
[03:17] <KaoticEvil> mart: no one watches me tho ;)\
[03:17] <mart> KaoticEvil: but yes, I tend to find myself on the command line more often than not :)
[03:17] <KaoticEvil> mart: its faster
[03:17] <d4niel> Help! I have my xorg.conf set to give me 85Hz.  When I go into KDE prefs I can select 85Hz, but wont actually run 85, just 60Hz...
[03:18] <mart> KaoticEvil: depends if you have to read the man page :)
[03:18] <mart> purplefeltangel: what are you trying to compile?
[03:18] <KaoticEvil> and i can type faster than i can look at a screen, find the icon/text
[03:18] <purplefeltangel> mart: a program called Kastrolog
[03:18] <KaoticEvil> mart: i have a hotkey on my keyboard to bring up konsole :P
[03:19] <mart> KaoticEvil: yeah, but I'd like to know the 'easy' way to do things too - for when you have to explain how to do something
[03:19] <KaoticEvil> agreed
[03:19] <mart> purplefeltangel: wow, that's old
[03:19] <KaoticEvil> for some things, like configuring samba, and system wide configs, i do tend to go with the GUI option
[03:20] <purplefeltangel> mart: yes, but i REALLYYYYYY want it to work, x 1 000 000 001
[03:20] <KaoticEvil> but for package installations, i tend to use konsole and apt-get/apt-cache
[03:20] <d4niel> anyone know anything about Xserver refresh rates... I am having problems
[03:20] <mart> KaoticEvil: absolutely - like I say, I normally use it, but I try to use things like k3b, and kde network stuff now and again
[03:21] <KaoticEvil> oh, im not about to try burning a CD in the console LOL
[03:21] <KaoticEvil> forget that
[03:21] <mart> KaoticEvil: oh, I normally do that :)
[03:21] <KaoticEvil> i cant :P
[03:21] <KaoticEvil> dont know how
[03:22] <KaoticEvil> ok, why is kweather not working? :|
[03:22] <mart> ah, it's not just me
[03:23] <KaoticEvil> ok, there we are
[03:24] <KaoticEvil> mart: i had it installed before, and it would *never* work
[03:24] <KaoticEvil> i had to set my locale as root
[03:24] <KaoticEvil> now i can at least add stations to it
[03:24] <mart> KaoticEvil: perhaps something in your .kde dir has the wrong owner?
[03:24] <purplefeltangel> so um, no one can tell me what packages to download?
[03:25] <mart> purplefeltangel: I can't see it working easily
[03:25] <KaoticEvil> mart: ive got it working now :)
[03:25] <mart> this rocks.
[03:25] <KaoticEvil> well, the stations are adding anyway
[03:25] <purplefeltangel> mart: i want to try anyway.
[03:25] <mart> purplefeltangel: I'm trying.... it looks, um
[03:25] <mart> very time consuming
[03:26] <KaoticEvil> but it doesnt seem to be getting any information from the stations
[03:26] <purplefeltangel> mart: why?
[03:26] <KaoticEvil> in fact, i get an error message saying that the stations dont exist
[03:26] <mart> purplefeltangel: well, the build scripts are a nasty hack, for a start
[03:27] <purplefeltangel> mart: oh well uh . . . i dont really know what that means :/
[03:27] <KaoticEvil> w00t w00t
[03:27] <mart> purplefeltangel: have you tried the original astrolog? that might be easier
[03:27] <KaoticEvil> mart: kweather works :D
[03:28] <purplefeltangel> mart: it's command-line!!!!!!!!
[03:28] <KaoticEvil> what is astrolog?
[03:28] <mart> "Astrolog can take advantage of X11 but this is not required."
[03:28] <purplefeltangel> kaoticevil: an astrology program
[03:29] <purplefeltangel> i like Kstars
[03:29] <purplefeltangel> but it's not astrology.
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> i *do* need a moon phase app anyway
[03:29] <mart> purplefeltangel: yeah, but there's always someone who confuses the two
[03:30] <mart> purplefeltangel: like psychology and psychiatry
[03:30] <purplefeltangel> lol
[03:30] <purplefeltangel> :o you mean psychology and psychiatry are two different things?!
[03:30] <mart> purplefeltangel: I think it'd be a lot of work to fix this up
[03:30] <KaoticEvil> heh
[03:30] <KaoticEvil> if something requires Qt1.4, cant you intall Qt4 and get the same thing? or Qt3?
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> or are they version specific?
[03:31] <purplefeltangel> i have no idea
[03:31] <L0sT> why cant amsn get a socket from localhost?. Anybody knows whats the matter?
[03:31] <purplefeltangel> thats what i want to try
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> purplefeltangel: hang on, i can get you the dev-libs for Qt4
[03:31] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: theoretically you can, but some older source may not recognize the more modern versions
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> i just installed it the other day
[03:31] <mart> KaoticEvil: it's no good
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> oh
[03:31] <purplefeltangel> KaoticEvil, thanks
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> well, it worked for me...
[03:31] <purplefeltangel> mart: why?
[03:32] <mart> Qt4 is so significantly different it wont work with this
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> what about Qt3?
[03:32] <mart> it needs much love to bring it to even Qt3 and recent KDE
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> oh
[03:32] <purplefeltangel> nnnggghhh :/
[03:33] <mart> eh? it refers to header files that don't seem to exist
[03:34] <purplefeltangel> what does?
[03:35] <mart> something in kastrolog
[03:35] <purplefeltangel> oh
[03:36] <purplefeltangel> :/ blehhhhsdfsdffsfghh.
[03:36] <mart> purplefeltangel: I think you need to find a  friendly kde coder :)
[03:36] <mart> (one with some time that is)
[03:36] <purplefeltangel> mart, i dont want to waste someone's time over an astrology program
[03:36] <purplefeltangel> if worse comes to worst i can just go back to windows
[03:36] <KaoticEvil> i plan on turning my programming to K apps..
[03:37] <mart> oh, astrolog is packaged
[03:37] <KaoticEvil> yes, it is
[03:40] <KaoticEvil> ok, sweet
[03:40] <KaoticEvil> im gonna have to add a new taskbar
[03:40] <KaoticEvil> err panel
[03:40] <KaoticEvil> too much crap on this one LOL
[03:40] <purplefeltangel> yes but astrolog is also command-line ;.;
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> KaoticEvil: I know the feeling, but I have using the real-estate for another panel. :P
[03:42] <KaoticEvil> CheeseBurgerMan: well, ive only just now started adding cool stuff to my panel.. kmoon, kweather, etc
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:42] <KaoticEvil> and the command box.. VERY handy
[03:42] <mart> maybe kde needs a windows style - "I noticed you haven't used this for a while, so I thought I'd piss you off by telling you about it all the time" feature
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> I agree - love the "Run command" applet
[03:42] <KaoticEvil> i didnt even know it was available
[03:42] <mart> KaoticEvil: but why use the minicli when you have Alt-F2 ?
[03:42] <KaoticEvil> it saves me so much time
[03:43] <KaoticEvil> mart: i use Winkey+R :P
[03:43] <mart> KaoticEvil: sure, but minicli takes up screen space :)
[03:43] <KaoticEvil> mart: agreed
[03:44] <KaoticEvil> but it takes less time to just type a command in versus waiting for my horribly overworked 400MHz celeron to display the At-F2 window:)
[03:45] <mart> KaoticEvil: really?  I can't notice any lag on a 3GHz with hyperthreading :)
[03:45] <KaoticEvil> gee, cant imagine why :P
[03:45] <mart> ah, university toys :)
[03:45] <KaoticEvil> heh
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:45] <KaoticEvil> well, this one was free
[03:45] <KaoticEvil> i got this one for working on the other one the guy had
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> No lag here with an AMD64 :P
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Take that back - Turion64
[03:46] <KaoticEvil> im getting an AMD64 lappy soon
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> :D
[03:46] <KaoticEvil> 3700, i believe... 1GB of DDR2, 100GB hard drive.. yeah
[03:46] <KaoticEvil> DVD burner.. oh yeah
[03:46] <mart> wasn't there a command called xviewimage? or something?
[03:46] <KaoticEvil> got $1100 :D
[03:46] <KaoticEvil> for*
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> KaoticEvil: Mine's more basic - ML-28, 512MB, 80GB HDD
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> although it does have a dual layer DVD Burner. :D
[03:47] <KaoticEvil> i need a power machine
[03:47] <KaoticEvil> i do too many things all at once
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> I need more RAM :(
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:47] <KaoticEvil> i *never* have only one window open, unless im sleeping, and even then...
[03:47] <mart> xview.
[03:47] <KaoticEvil> YOU?! ive only got 256MB of PC100 SDRAM :P
[03:47] <KaoticEvil> my foots asleep! :(
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> KaoticEvil: heh, I came from 32MB, so I know how you feel
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:48] <KaoticEvil> well, it only had 128MB the other day...
[03:48] <mart> well, if it's any consolation, even on a 3GHz box, I still run emacs in a terminal window :)
[03:48] <KaoticEvil> and the onboard intel 810 grafx :P
[03:48] <KaoticEvil> LOL
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, there was a 256MB stick of RAM at Circuit City for $10 US, but I have 2 256MB sticks. :(
[03:49] <KaoticEvil> its not, but thanks mart :P
[03:49] <KaoticEvil> i not even sure this thing will TAKE 256MB sticks
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> mart: vi! :P
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> usually pico
[03:50] <mart> CheeseBurgerMan: yeah, I have a few of them open too :)
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use vi, and that's it on the CLI. ;)
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mostly 'cause emacs wasn't installed by default, and I tried the next one that came to mind
[03:50] <mart> CheeseBurgerMan: but emacs has better shortcuts for kde coding
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> note that I'd never used any of them before
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> mart: Ah, but I don't code. ;)
[03:51] <mart> and it's latex support is excellent
[03:51] <KaoticEvil> mart: you code for KDE?
[03:51] <mart> KaoticEvil: a little
[03:51] <KaoticEvil> what widget set do you use/recommend?
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> for a new KDE developer
[03:52] <mart> uh?
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> isnt that what they're called? like Qt and all those?
[03:52] <mart> KaoticEvil: you mean widget style?
[03:52] <KaoticEvil> thats the one
[03:52] <mart> or widget toolkit?
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> i dont know P
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> i used to windows programming heh
[03:53] <mart> KaoticEvil: well, styles are the things you pick in kcontrol, or whatever it is
[03:53] <mart> but Qt is a toolkit
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> ok
[03:54] <mart> so, for styles, I go with plastik, but that's not very useful info.
[03:54] <mart> for toolkits, I obviously recommend Qt, but that's because KDE is built on Qt
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> ok
[03:54] <mart> oh, and the fact that GTK sucks :)
[03:54] <KaoticEvil> lol
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> i use several gtk+ apps every day...
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> kopete sucks, really
[03:55] <mart> I did a bit of hacking in MrProject or whatever it's called now, to tune the output
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> gaim is far superior
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> :)
[03:55] <mart> never submitted anything, but ugh, the code burnt your eyes
[03:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> KaoticEvil: Yeah, but GTK is still annoying ;)
[03:56] <mart> KaoticEvil: kopete sucks for what?
[03:56] <firephoto> is there a file somewhere that lists all the packages I've installed since the default installation?
[03:56] <KaoticEvil> instant messaging
[03:56] <mart> KaoticEvil: seriously?  it sucks for IRC, but for IM I'd say it's way better than gaim
[03:56] <KaoticEvil> mart: i prefer gaim as a trillian style replacement
[03:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> Blech, I hated Kopete totally
[03:56] <mart> firephoto: don't think so. why do you need that?
[03:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> But each to his own
[03:57] <firephoto> mart: new hard drive on the laptop. want to just have a list of what i've put on so I don't have to figure it all out again as it comes to me.
[03:57] <mart> firephoto: dpkg --get-selections gets a list of all your packages
[03:58] <firephoto> ok.. i guess i could do that and diff it against the new updated install.
[03:58] <mart> firephoto: and dpkg --set-selections can read that file, then you can use aptitude to install the selected packages
[03:58] <firephoto> ok.. will it reininstall already installed stuff?
[03:58] <firephoto> or skip those
[03:58] <nalioth> firephoto: this URL will help you greatly  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg00152.html
[03:59] <firephoto> thanks.
[04:00] <mart> urgh, the ipv6 howto is 131 pages :(
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> CheeseBurgerMan: i hate kopete as well :)
[04:01] <mart> KaoticEvil: curiosity. why?
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> besides, i like to log all my IM's, and kopete doesnt have the capability, as far as i can tell
[04:01] <firephoto> KaoticEvil: there's a log plugin
[04:01] <firephoto> you have to turn it on though
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> oh well
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> i couldnt find it
[04:01] <KaoticEvil> that, and i cant find a way to turn of KDE's spell checking GLOBALLY and PERMANENTLY
[04:01] <mart> hmm, configure->plugins, history
[04:02] <KaoticEvil> and it REALY slows me down
[04:02] <KaoticEvil> really*
[04:02] <firephoto> configure plugins. but I kind of agree it's hard to find.. or think to look there.
[04:02] <mart> :)
[04:02] <mart> KaoticEvil: globally in KDE? or just kopete?
[04:02] <firephoto> KaoticEvil: that's in the control center. might not be in the kubuntu settings though..
[04:02] <KaoticEvil> mart: globally in KDE
[04:03] <KaoticEvil> i use kcontrol whenever possible :)
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> KaoticEvil: Yeah, me too
[04:03] <KaoticEvil> oh, and firephoto, i DID look in there
[04:03] <KaoticEvil> i saw no history tho
[04:03] <firephoto> hmm.
[04:04] <mart> History has been there since at least 0.6
[04:04] <firephoto> i don't have a copy of 0.11.* runnning but I know it's on 0.12 the history (and on by default I see)
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> firephoto: i see the spell checker module in kcontrol
[04:04] <mart> (which is about when I started using it)
[04:04] <KaoticEvil> but there's no option to turn it off
[04:05] <mart> you can turn it off per chat by right clicking in the text box and using the menu...
[04:06] <KaoticEvil> yes, but i dont want it on AT ALL.
[04:06] <mart> but I don't know if they've made that a permanent setting
[04:06] <firephoto> KaoticEvil: you could change  the client, that should disable the spelling in a hackish way. never noticed there was no on off option.
[04:06] <KaoticEvil> i know what im typing... and i dont care if i make a typo
[04:06] <KaoticEvil> firephoto: no, it doesnt
[04:06] <KaoticEvil> it still checks, and marks everything as an spelling error lol
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:06] <mart> KaoticEvil: or, god forbid, file a bug !
[04:06] <KaoticEvil> even more annoying :)
[04:06] <firephoto> oh.. must be kubuntufied. i know vanilla kde won't spell check with the wrong client selected.
[04:07] <firephoto> maybe both aspell and ispell are installed?
[04:07] <mendred> hi,,,my konqueror seems to have two search bars..any idea how to remove one?
[04:07] <mart> whuh.
[04:07] <KaoticEvil> mendred: view -> Toolbars ?
[04:07] <KaoticEvil> brb, gotta check somethin in gnome and xfce
[04:08] <mendred> ummm thats the problem see the searchbar doesn't appear on the toolbar buttons list
[04:08] <mart> mendred: it's probably part of another toolbar
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> It's in extensions IIRC
[04:08] <mart> mendred: try Settings->Configure toolbars
[04:08] <mendred> see i am using only my locations toolbar and book marks..i have shifted buttons around
[04:08] <mendred> to suit my needs
[04:09] <mendred> the searchbar is appearing as a part of locations
[04:09] <mendred> twice
[04:09] <firephoto> mendred: the location tool bar is the only one on by default
[04:09] <mart> mendred: try Settings->Configure toolbars?
[04:10] <mendred> yes i am there...there is no entry for the search bar in the current actions section of locations toolbar
[04:10] <mendred> yet i am getting two of them
[04:11] <mendred> and no its not there in the bookmarks either
[04:11] <firephoto> the search bar isn't really a toolbar item, it's just part of it's own bar the location bar.
[04:11] <mendred> ok..
[04:11] <mendred> however i am getting two of them
[04:11] <ruth> hello
[04:12] <mart> firephoto: it's a separate toolbar here
[04:12] <ruth> anyone installed deKorator?
[04:12] <ruth> from apt-get??
[04:12] <ruth> !dekorator
[04:12] <ubotu> ruth: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:12] <firephoto> right.. it's still possible to get it on another bar.. but you can't remove one of them. (hard to explain)
[04:12] <mendred> mmmm
[04:13] <firephoto> so you must have the main toolbar and the location toolbar on?
[04:13] <mart> ruth: what's the problem?
[04:13] <ruth> cannot find it in repositoroes
[04:13] <ruth> repositories..
[04:13] <ruth> and cannot compile it either
[04:13] <mendred> well..my location toolbar has two..while it doesn't remove functionality it does occupy screenspace..
[04:13] <mart> ruth http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=dekorator
[04:14] <mendred> funnily its ok if run konqueror as another user say using sudo
[04:14] <mart> ruth: looks like it's only packaged for dapper
[04:14] <ruth> how do I get it?
[04:14] <mendred> are there any config files i can edit manually to remove it?
[04:14] <firephoto> mendred: what does the configure extensions who?
[04:14] <firephoto> *sow
[04:14] <firephoto> **show
[04:14] <ruth> mart: can i download it?
[04:15] <mart> ruth: are you using breezy?
[04:15] <mendred> google suggest plugin
[04:15] <ruth> yeap
[04:15] <mendred> search bar plugin
[04:15] <mendred> two ofthem
[04:15] <firephoto> mendred: and only the suggest plugin is checked?
[04:15] <mendred> oh thats solved it
[04:15] <mendred> i unchecked one
[04:15] <firephoto> ok..
[04:15] <mendred> thanks
[04:15] <firephoto> np
[04:16] <mart> ruth: I think you'd have to compile it yourself
[04:16] <mendred> hmmm..so one has look ahead and the other doesn't
[04:16] <mendred> i was wondering why they behaved differently
[04:17] <ruth> cannot, do not have tools installed
[04:17] <mart> ruth: you can't download them?
[04:21] <mendred> ruth: is it available on klik? u could try that if so..
[04:21] <mart> mendred: it's not a program, in that sense
[04:21] <mart> it's a plugin
[04:22] <mendred> hmm k...my mistake
[04:23] <mart> ruth: if you can download about 30MB you can compile a package yourself
[04:30] <Random_Transit> help!! kdm won't let me log in
[04:31] <Random_Transit> hello?
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Is caps lock on?
[04:31] <Random_Transit> no
[04:32] <Random_Transit> i start to log in, and it kicks me back to the log in screen
[04:32] <Random_Transit> can't log into GNOME, KDE, any of my window managers
[04:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm
[04:32] <Random_Transit> not even fluxbox or XFCE
[04:32] <Random_Transit> T_T
[04:35] <mart> ruth: still here?
[04:36] <mart> ho hum
[04:39] <mart> Random_Transit: what does /var/log/xorg.whatever have to say?
[04:46] <Random_Transit> how do i change KDM to GDM as my default login manager?
[04:47] <Random_Transit> 'cos KDM's freaking out
[04:47] <mart> Random_Transit: going to tell us what's wrong with it?
[04:48] <Random_Transit> i try to log in...it starts to log me in, and then kicks me back to the log in screen
[04:48] <mart> Random_Transit: have you looked at your logs ?
[04:48] <Random_Transit> no...this just happened now...so i dropped to text mode login, and started gdm manually
[04:49] <Random_Transit> which log am I looking for?
[04:50] <mart>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[04:50] <mart> the first is probably for your current session
[04:50] <mart> the latter for your previous (failed?) session
[04:51] <mart> Random_Transit: oh, perhaps the kdm.log file in that dir too
[04:51] <oxez> anyone got the problem with amark 1.4 where it would play the first second of each song 2x faster than usual?
[04:51] <mart> oxez: nope, not with xine engine
[04:51] <Random_Transit> mart...if i pastebin those for you, could you have a look?
[04:51] <mart> sure
[04:51] <mart> kdm first
[04:51] <oxez> mart, I also have xine engine, with alsa, and it skips the first second :/
[04:52] <mart> oxez: when you first mentioned it, I assumed it must just be the fade in or something
[04:52] <oxez> nah, There is a .5 gap between the first and the 2nd second of the song
[04:52] <mart> urgh
[04:53] <oxez> works well with all other players :o
[04:53] <mart> oxez: what output plugin is xine using?
[04:53] <oxez> mart, alsa
[04:57] <Random_Transit> mart....here's a pastebin of my kdm log...http://pastebin.com/613727
[04:58] <mart> Random_Transit: is that it?
[04:58] <mart> no more?
[04:58] <Random_Transit> i'm looking up my Xorg logs
[04:58] <oxez> hm, any idea on how I would get the helix-engine working on ubuntu?
[05:01] <Random_Transit> mart...my Xorg log http://pastebin.com/613729
[05:01] <mart> Random_Transit: well, is that for your current session?
[05:01] <Random_Transit> no
[05:01] <Random_Transit> failed session
[05:02] <mart> I don't see any erro
[05:02] <Random_Transit> really?
[05:02] <mart> just the usual warnings.
[05:03] <Random_Transit> ok....could this have anything to do with some KDE theme packages i removed because they were broken?
[05:03] <mart> (EE) are errors
[05:03] <mart> um
[05:03] <mart> I don't know
[05:04] <mart> Random_Transit: if you're settings were still configured to use those themes, and they no longer exist there could be problems
[05:04] <mart> Random_Transit: what kind of theme
[05:04] <mart> ?
[05:05] <Random_Transit> a bunch of window decorations mainly
[05:05] <Random_Transit> but nothing related to KDM
[05:05] <Random_Transit> GDM works fine
[05:05] <mart> Random_Transit: in  $HOME/.kde/share/config ....
[05:06] <Random_Transit> KDE itself works fine
[05:06] <Random_Transit> i'm using it now
[05:06] <mart> ah
[05:07] <Random_Transit> could it just be a hiccup of sorts?
[05:07] <mart> Random_Transit: can you check that that was all that was in your kdm log?
[05:07] <Random_Transit> yep
[05:07] <Random_Transit> i did before i pastebinned it
[05:07] <Random_Transit> oh
[05:07] <mart> and checked the date on the file?
[05:07] <Random_Transit> wait, there's a second log
[05:07] <Random_Transit> -_-
[05:08] <Random_Transit> which is empty???
[05:08] <Random_Transit> O_o
[05:09] <Random_Transit> well, i guess what you saw was everything then
[05:09] <mart> Random_Transit: in that case, I guess the answer must be in your .xsession-errors file
[05:10] <mart> Random_Transit: oh, unless.....
[05:10] <Random_Transit> which is in /var/log?
[05:10] <crxyem> anyone here familiar with lineakd
[05:10] <mart> Random_Transit: in $HOMe
[05:10] <Random_Transit> ok
[05:10] <mart> Random_Transit: can you check that KDE was selected as a session type?
[05:10] <Random_Transit> yep...it's my default
[05:10] <mart> Random_Transit: sure it hasn't changed?
[05:11] <Random_Transit> not since i installed it
[05:11] <Random_Transit> but i will check
[05:12] <mart> biab
[05:18] <jayr168> guys
[05:18] <mart> Random_Transit: back
[05:19] <jayr168> guys.. in KDE 3.4 theres always a pop-up that says 'the KDE window manager' it tells about window movement like 'activate'  'raise' 'desktop #' hot do I disable this? its kinda annoying
[05:19] <Random_Transit> k...here's my xsession-errors log http://pastebin.com/613743
[05:20] <mart> jayr168: er, I don't know what you mean
[05:21] <jayr168> ill get a screenshot
[05:21] <mart> Random_Transit: that's from a gdm started session
[05:21] <Random_Transit> oh?
[05:21] <mart> see the first line?
[05:21] <Random_Transit> ah...
[05:22] <jayr168> where can I upload a snapshot?
[05:22] <mart> uh
[05:22] <mart> are you on msn?
[05:22] <Random_Transit> yep
[05:23] <Random_Transit> pm me for my address
[05:23] <mart> I am me_ncl @
[05:23] <Random_Transit> ok
[05:23] <mart> Random_Transit: I meant jayr168  :)
[05:24] <mart> jayr168: are you on msn?
[05:24] <Random_Transit> oh...sry...O_o
[05:24] <jayr168> msn? im on ubuntu kde3.4 on gdm
[05:24] <mart> jayr168: do you use instant messaging?
[05:25] <jayr168> yah GAIM
[05:25] <mart> ok
[05:25] <mart> but you don't have an msn address?
[05:26] <jayr168> ill upload my screenshot to a webpage
[05:26] <jayr168> wait a sec
[05:26] <mart> ok
[05:27] <jayr168> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=1683906264441f808a7ec03&p=screen
[05:27] <mart> Random_Transit: one way to debug stuff like this is to create a new user account and try logging into that
[05:27] <mart> (from kdm)
[05:27] <jayr168> the pop-up i want to disable is at the upper left side
[05:28] <mart> ah
[05:28] <mart> god on a honda, how did you get that?
[05:28] <jayr168> I dont know :)
[05:28] <jayr168> it wasnt there before
[05:29] <mart> jayr168: in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kwinrc...
[05:29] <mart> there's a section "Notification Messages"
[05:30] <mart> anything in there?
[05:30] <jayr168> ok wait a sec
[05:31] <jayr168> [Notification Messages] 
[05:31] <jayr168> UseTranslucency=false
[05:31] <jayr168> wats that suppose to mean?
[05:32] <mart> bah, that's not it then
[05:32] <frank23> jayr168: did you try a new user?
[05:33] <mart> frank23: I'm pretty sure new users don't get that
[05:33] <_jonathan> hi all, can amarok auto-dowload podcasts?
[05:33] <jayr168> its not found it root or any other user
[05:33] <mart> jayr168: sorry?
[05:33] <_jonathan> i know i can tell it to update but i want it to just check and download at some time
[05:34] <mart> _jonathan: best to ask in #amarok
[05:34] <jayr168> no info about the culprit?
[05:34] <jayr168> my god
[05:34] <_jonathan> ok, i'll check there
[05:34] <mart> jayr168: looking...
[05:34] <mart> _jonathan: bit of an awkward time of day though
[05:34] <jayr168> thats.. msg me for info.. im taking my lunch
[05:34] <_jonathan> yeah, i bet so
[05:34] <frank23> _jonathan: If you want podcasts, check out the democracy player https://develop.participatoryculture.org/projects/democracy/wiki/GTKX11BuildDocs
[05:35] <_jonathan> yeah, but it's real beta i thought
[05:35] <frank23> _jonathan: its pretty buggy. the downloads work but the intergrated player often doesnt
[05:36] <frank23> _jonathan: can amarok subscribe to podcasts?
[05:36] <_jonathan> yes
[05:36] <_jonathan> but you have to tell it to update
[05:36] <frank23> _jonathan: how?
[05:36] <frank23> _jonathan: how do you set it up?
[05:37] <Random_Transit> mart: for the time being, can i just use the system services in control centre to tell KDM not to run, but instead use GDM?
[05:37] <_jonathan> playlists
[05:37] <frank23> _jonathan: I dfound it
[05:37] <mart> Random_Transit: I guess so
[05:37] <_jonathan> yeah, if only it did videocasts
[05:37] <mart> Random_Transit: I still manage them on the command line though, so I don't know how to use it
[05:37] <frank23> Random_Transit: to change from kdm to gdm you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:38] <mart> ah yes
[05:38] <Kyral> Anyone know a good download Manager for KDE?
[05:38] <mart> that's a better idea
[05:38] <frank23> _jonathan: oh... only audio?
[05:38] <mart> Kyral: kget?
[05:38] <_jonathan> yeah, as far as i can tell
[05:38] <Random_Transit> k thanks frank23!
[05:38] <Kyral> does it integrate with Konqoreor?
[05:38] <mart> Kyral: oh yes
[05:38] <Kyral> Yea!
[05:39] <mart> it has a toolbar icon
[05:39] <Kyral> I was looking for a replacement for Firefox's Download Them All! extension :D
[05:39] <mart> Kyral: yeah, the button does that
[05:40] <Random_Transit> Kyral: DownThemAll...I love that extension
[05:40] <frank23> Kyral: that extension uses all my cpu I think. I don't use it anymore
[05:40] <Kyral> frank23: Which is why I run it at night :P
[05:40] <Random_Transit> it helps so much when i get stuff from allofmp3.com
[05:40] <Kyral> or my friend's anime server :P
[05:40] <mart> worked fine here
[05:41] <frank23> Random_Transit: allofmp3.com  that's the russian site?
[05:41] <Random_Transit> yeah
[05:41] <Random_Transit> $20 will get you a hell of a lot on there
[05:42] <frank23> Random_Transit: apparently it's only legal in russia because of some loop hole. Oh well
[05:42] <frank23> Random_Transit: do you pay per MB?
[05:42] <Random_Transit> yeah...what it is, is that russian broadcast law includes downloadable content
[05:43] <Random_Transit> per KB actually
[05:43] <jayr168> mart: someone in #kde solved the problem.. its an option under kde control->  sound @ m -> system notification
[05:43] <Random_Transit> average of about $0.10USD per song
[05:43] <jayr168> thanks a lot guys
[05:43] <mart> jayr168: oh, obviously it's there!
[05:44] <jayr168> its solve
[05:44] <mart> jayr168: how unintuitive :(
[05:45] <Random_Transit> what i love about allofmp3, though, is the selection...hell of a lot better than limewire
[05:46] <Random_Transit> but then, gnutella's going down the crapper real fast, it seems
[05:46] <mart> so, what's the gist with allofmp3.com?
[05:46] <_jonathan> ok, does anyone mess with Kcron?
[05:46] <frank23> mart: It's a mp3 download site that is legal in russia
[05:46] <mart> nah, that's still a crontab -e job for me, I'm afraid
[05:47] <clayton> bye
[05:47] <mart> frank23: so is it legal to use outside russia?
[05:47] <_jonathan> mart: kinda
[05:47] <Random_Transit> yep
[05:47] <frank23> mart: I doubt it
[05:47] <mart> lol
[05:47] <_jonathan> it's a big grey area
[05:47] <_jonathan> I've used it for one song
[05:47] <mart> how do you pay?
[05:47] <_jonathan> you pay a min of $10
[05:47] <mart> by credit card?
[05:47] <Random_Transit> no
[05:48] <Random_Transit> $10?!?
[05:48] <Random_Transit> more like 10 cents
[05:48] <Random_Transit> per song
[05:48] <Random_Transit> order a full album or single songs, your choice, pay via a prepaid card service that works through paypal
[05:48] <_jonathan> then download what you want
[05:48] <_jonathan> lol...full albums around 2$
[05:48] <Random_Transit> called CMPass
[05:48] <mart> ah ha
[05:48] <frank23> mart: and you can encode songs as you wish. even lossless
[05:48] <Random_Transit> yep
[05:48] <mart> bwa ha ha
[05:49] <mart> flac?
[05:49] <_jonathan> random_: you don't pay per song
[05:49] <Random_Transit> yep
[05:49] <Random_Transit> yeah, you can download individual songs!!
[05:49] <Random_Transit> i do all the time
[05:50] <mart> Random_Transit: I think he means the charge is per MB
[05:50] <frank23> Random_Transit: can you preview too?
[05:50] <Random_Transit> ahh
[05:50] <Random_Transit> yep
[05:50] <_jonathan> when i signed up i had to pay $10 up front
[05:50] <Random_Transit> i didn't
[05:50] <Random_Transit> the preview quality is kinda shite
[05:50] <_jonathan> they may have changed
[05:51] <Random_Transit> they have been making a lot of changes since i joined
[05:51] <frank23> Random_Transit: in what way?
[05:51] <_jonathan> i haven't heard anything bad about them...but again, I've heard from several sites and podcasts that it's a big legal grey area
[05:51] <_jonathan> when did you sign up random?
[05:51] <Random_Transit> early this year
[05:51] <Random_Transit> end of jan. i think
[05:51] <mart> hmm, I've been meaning to get a copy of Beethovens 9th sym.
[05:52] <_jonathan> hmm, i signed up about a month later
[05:52] <_jonathan> LOL....and your going to pay for something like that
[05:52] <mart> $1.88  - I could stretch to that
[05:52] <Random_Transit> yeah, mart...there are lots of places you can get classical stuff via CC
[05:52] <Random_Transit> CC = creative commons
[05:52] <mart> _jonathan: for that price it's easier than nagging my friends to give me an account on their mp3 servers
[05:53] <_jonathan> i love classical but I'm like random i thought you could getit
[05:53] <_jonathan> hmm, i think i have it
[05:53] <_jonathan> if i do, think of a way and i'd be glad to give it to you
[05:53] <mart> buh.
[05:53] <Random_Transit> frank: most of the changes i've seen were superficial
[05:54] <frank23> Random_Transit: ok
[05:54] <Random_Transit> but they have since removed direct paypal payment
[05:54] <mart> _jonathan: well, I'm not coding no *cast support in amarok!
[05:54] <mart> Random_Transit: bummer.
[05:54] <Random_Transit> preferring instead to use the prepaid cards
[05:54] <mart> how do you buy them?
[05:54] <Random_Transit> which go through paypal anyway
[05:54] <_jonathan> what mart?
[05:55] <mart> _jonathan: I'm trying to think of a way that would make you glad to give it to me :)
[05:55] <_jonathan> LOL
[05:57] <mart> Before making a payment to add to your balance, you must be a registered member of our website. After becoming a member, there are several ways to add to your balance. You may pay with any major credit/debit card service (VISA/MasterCard/Eurocard, Dinners Club, JCB, Union Card).
[05:57] <Random_Transit> mart. you CAN use the prepaid option...hold on
[05:58] <mart> Random_Transit: sure that's not just for existing users?
[05:58] <Random_Transit> yeah...my buddy just signed up last week
[05:59] <fatejudger_> where can I get libdvdcss for Dapper?
[05:59] <frank23> !tell fatejudger_ about dvd
[05:59] <fatejudger_> frank23: Dapper, not Breezy
[05:59] <frank23> fatejudger oh dapper. maybe it works I don't know
[06:00] <robotgeek> fatejudger_: lemme know when you find it :)
[06:00] <fatejudger_> robotgeek: you're looking for it too?
[06:00] <mart> the breezy packages should work, I guess
[06:00] <robotgeek> fatejudger_: no, but would be good to know
[06:01] <mart> libdvdcss2 only depends on libc, so using the breezy packages should be fine
[06:02] <fatejudger_> mart is right
[06:02] <fatejudger_> it works
[06:02] <_jonathan> how would i check crontab
[06:03] <mart> fatejudger: robotgeek: failing that, the libdvdread package has a script in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3 that will download and build support for you
[06:03] <mart> _jonathan: crontab -l
[06:03] <robotgeek> mart: i heard that was going to go away soonish
[06:03] <mart> well, it's still there now
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> interesting, I just installed the actual ubuntu kernel and now my laptop is going nuts with the fan.
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> temp is higher than normal.
[06:07] <mart> hmm, someone had that problem yesterday :(
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> This is with dapper, but I don't suspect it's specific to that.
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> load is kind of high for doing nothing too. Normally .01 or .02 is now .5
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> yet actual CPU use is normal 1-2%.
[06:08] <mart> well, for me it's about 5am, so I'd expect cronjobs to be running
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> midnight here, but still nothing seems to be doing anything on the system. no hd activity.. beats me.
[06:10] <fatejudger_> !xgl
[06:10] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> also, It appears from glxinfo that glx is working on my system, however all the opengl screensavers in kde run like sh**.
[06:11] <mart> could just be lame opengl support for your graphics card
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> mart: yeah, it is. It's ATI. But it had seemed to be working by default with xorg7, but at the moment isn't doing so hot.
[06:23] <kuzmaster> hey
[06:24] <_jonathan> thinking about it...just a weird question
[06:24] <kuzmaster> can someone tell me how to get firefox 1.5
[06:24] <_jonathan> kuzmaster: automatix is what i used
[06:24] <_jonathan> anywho, my question
[06:24] <kuzmaster> automax?
[06:25] <_jonathan> yeah, search the ubuntu forums for it
[06:25] <kuzmaster> k
[06:25] <_jonathan> others may not like it but it saved me a LOT of work
[06:25] <_jonathan> with java, flash, etc
[06:25] <kuzmaster> wat is it?
[06:25] <kuzmaster> is it a browser?
[06:25] <_jonathan> it's a auto installler for the various progams
[06:25] <kuzmaster> oh ok
[06:26] <_jonathan> yeah, take a little bit of work to install it but follow the directions exactly and you should be fine
[06:26] <_jonathan> anyways, my question.
[06:26] <_jonathan> Vs winXP, moving windows seems to be jerkier
[06:27] <robotgeek> kuzmaster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:27] <_jonathan> lol...that might work too
[06:27] <_jonathan> anyone have any ideas why i'm getting that ?
[06:29] <mart> kuzmaster: you may find klik to be an easier option
[06:30] <nalioth> !automatix
[06:30] <ubotu> [automatix]  unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[06:30] <gnu_style> kubuntu or ubuntu? whats the differnce?
[06:30] <gnu_style> just the GUI?
[06:31] <_jonathan> lol, sorry...i used automatix and haven't had any problems
[06:31] <mart> kuzmaster: see http://klik.atekon.de/
[06:32] <mart> kuzmaster: but be wary, since once you've used firefox 1.5, firefox 1.4 may not understand your config files
[06:33] <gnu_style> just the GUI?
[06:33] <mart> and you'll have to stick with FF1.5, or delete your config if you want to use 1.4 again
[06:33] <gnu_style> kubuntu or ubuntu? whats the differnce?
[06:33] <Dasnipa`> kde or gnome
[06:33] <_jonathan> gnu_style
[06:33] <mart> gnu_style: pretty much just the GUI
[06:33] <_jonathan> the gui is the only difference
[06:33] <Dasnipa`> gnu_style, kubuntu = kde ubuntu = gnome
[06:33] <_jonathan> Kubuntu is the first Ubuntu derived distribution. Our Kubuntu CDs are made up of Ubuntu's base plus KDE. You can get exactly the same effect by installing Ubuntu and adding the KDE packages (and removing the Gnome packages) from the Ubuntu archives.
[06:34] <_jonathan> straight from their site
[06:34] <gnu_style> thanks.. okies
[06:34] <_jonathan> so, my window issues
[06:34] <gnu_style> but if I install and use KDE with ubuntu does it make it KUBUNTU now?
[06:34] <Dasnipa`> is there a package for the other manpage sections like section 2 (system calls) and etc?
[06:35] <Dasnipa`> gnu_style, you do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it does
[06:35] <gnu_style> or do I have to reinstall kubuntu.. to officially make it kubuntu
[06:35] <_jonathan> all kubuntu is is ubuntu install with kubuntu-desktop package
[06:35] <gnu_style> im running kde in my ubuntu breezy.. does it make it a kubuntu now?
[06:35] <Dasnipa`> gnu_style, the kubuntu-desktop package is officially kubuntu i believe
[06:38] <_jonathan> is there a way to tweak the nvidia drivers for a smoother preformance
[06:38] <gnu_style> is Qparted safe to use? im trying to resize my winxp fat32 hdd to make space for kubuntu..
[06:39] <crimsun> the installer handles that for you transparently
[06:45] <mendred> gnu_style: personally when i used Qparted to resize a fat32 partition i had no problems..but to be safe i suppose u should have a backup
[06:46] <stupendo44> gnu_style: generally qparted works with fat32 without any problems. But a backup is recommended anyway as a standard precaution
[06:47] <gnu_style> so if in case i succed.. in kubuntu's installer can I tell it to install to a logical drive?
[06:48] <gnu_style> and to use a certain swap drive? or does it automatically format all my HDD like in debian sid which cause m a catastrophe
[06:51] <gnu_style> guys
[06:51] <kosh> gnu_style: I think there is some kind of expert mode where you can tell it that stuff
[06:51] <gnu_style> ohh ic
[06:52] <gnu_style> thanks
[06:52] <gnu_style> im downloading the DVD version of kubuntu.. it will take days to complete :)
[06:52] <kuzmaster> how fast is your connectiona?
[06:52] <kuzmaster> connection**
[06:53] <gnu_style> dsl at 384kbps..
[06:53] <kuzmaster> same, kinda
[06:54] <kuzmaster> it took me 1 day of medium browsing to download da dvd version
[06:54] <kuzmaster> and i left it on over night
[06:55] <firephoto> any ideas what would cause grub not to be able to install to the mbr?
[06:58] <regeya> firephoto: sunspots.
[06:58] <gnu_style> its only at 2% in 20mins
[06:59] <gnu_style> maybe it will take 2 days?
[06:59] <regeya> lack of current to the PSU
[07:03] <fatejudger_> is there a way to prevent the screensaver from activating when watching a DVD in Kaffeine?
[07:06] <frank23> gnu_style: it might faster if you use the torrent to download the image
[07:07] <frank23> fatejudger there is an option for that in kaffeine. (Behaviour)
[07:08] <fatejudger_> frank23: it's not in tehre
[07:08] <gnu_style> my dsl router is very slow when in using torrent downloads
[07:08] <fatejudger_> *there
[07:09] <fatejudger_> frank23: just "pause when hidden"
[07:09] <frank23> fatejudger  no?  Interval to fake keypresses is right below that for me
[07:10] <frank23> fatejudger I have kaffeine 0.7.1
[07:10] <fatejudger_> frank23: same here
[07:10] <fatejudger_> frank23: are you sure it's in there?
[07:10] <frank23> gnu_style: do you limit the upload speed to below your actual max?
[07:10] <fatejudger_> frank23: I'm using Dapper with the latest Kaffeine
[07:10] <frank23> fatejudger_: I have breezy, kde 3.5.1 kaffeine-xine
[07:11] <gnu_style> i did not limit anything
[07:11] <gnu_style> im just confused by this dsl modem
[07:11] <fatejudger_> frank23: that might be why, I think that's an older version of Kaffeine
[07:11] <frank23> gnu_style: no you should limit the upload speed
[07:11] <gnu_style> its configuration is based on html browser and not on windows xp
[07:11] <kosh> gnu_style: is it an external device?
[07:11] <gnu_style> yes it is
[07:12] <gnu_style> an alcatel speed touch
[07:12] <kosh> how is your computer hooked up to it?
[07:12] <kosh> okay it is just a dsl router then
[07:12] <frank23> gnu_style: do you know what your max upload speed is?
[07:17] <gnu_style> adsl.... umm maybe half my download speed
[07:18] <firephoto> i guess whatever updated when I backed up to 'select packages' (which seemed to do an update) fixed grub
[07:20] <frank23> gnu_style: that doesn't tell much. try a 10kB/s max upload speed in you bittorrent client
[07:25] <gnu_style> i have bittorrent client
[07:26] <gnu_style> it tells the to enable something in IP routing
[07:26] <gnu_style> to speed up downloads
[07:30] <frank23> gnu_style: you probably need to forward ports in the router.
[07:30] <frank23> gnu_style: can't help any further tonight.
[07:30] <frank23> good night all
[07:35] <tomas_> hello
[07:35] <tomplast> anyone here?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> nope :P
[07:35] <tomplast> great
[07:36] <kosh> nope I killed everyone
[07:36] <kosh> I needed their souls for an offering
[07:36] <tomplast> is it possible to setup a server to which all kubuntu users login to and get access to their home catalogs from?
[07:36] <kosh> home catalogs?
[07:37] <tomplast> home directories?
[07:37] <tomplast> ~
[07:37] <kosh> and what do you mean by all kubuntu users?
[07:37] <InteliWasp> does anyone know of a program that would allow me to edit id3 tags and filenames for music files, i have a large cache of music i need to edit...
[07:37] <kosh> you certainly can't decree where my boxes get its home directory :)
[07:38] <kosh> what you probably need to do is just mount /home with nfs
[07:38] <tomplast> oki here is an example, im sitting at the login screen at a local kubuntu machine and when i login i want it to login to server which maps the users ~ on the server
[07:38] <tomplast> so no personal files will be stored locally
[07:38] <tomplast> only on the server
[07:38] <kosh> mount /home with nfs and use something like ldap for the auth I am not sure entirely how to setup ldap but there are docs for it
[07:39] <kosh> nfs is network file system
[07:39] <tomplast> mm
[07:39] <kosh> that is how unixes have been doing this kind of stuff for years
[07:39] <tomplast> i just dont want the user to have to login 2 times
[07:39] <kosh> they won't
[07:39] <tomplast> right now i have too login a 2nd time
[07:39] <tomplast> oki
[07:39] <tomplast> *-)
[07:39] <kosh> the system would mount /home at bootup
[07:39] <tomplast> i will look into it
[07:39] <kosh> all auth in linux is done with pam and pam can be configured to use ldap
[07:40] <kosh> so you would just login and go
[07:40] <kosh> however I have heard that gnome has problems running over nfs so be careful on that
[07:40] <tomplast> but is it possible to do remotely send commands to several machines at the same time?
[07:40] <tomplast> like @ALL_KUBUNTUS: apt-get upgrade
[07:40] <kosh> something to do with the way gconf works it causes problems
[07:40] <kosh> yeah it is possible to do that however I would go for a simpler method
[07:41] <InteliWasp> can anyone help me or do i need to go to another channel with better expertise?
[07:41] <kosh> you are making this way too hard
[07:41] <kosh> sorry I don't know about id3 tags
[07:41] <InteliWasp> ok
[07:41] <tomplast> simpler method?
[07:41] <kosh> tomplast: it seems that what you should do is just run dumb terminals
[07:41] <kosh> tomplast: that way you only update the server period
[07:42] <kosh> tomplast: you would just use x to login to that machine
[07:42] <tomplast> kosh: sending remote commands can be important if you should administrate 20 machines the same way
[07:42] <kosh> there are lots ofways to do it
[07:42] <tomplast> kosh: it would take time to give attention to each computer
[07:42] <kosh> however if you have to send the same command to 20 machines you have probably screwed up your system already
[07:43] <tomplast> i dont want to compare windows with linux but a remote administrating tool but be really nice in linux
[07:43] <tomplast> would
[07:43] <kosh> the problem you are having is you are trying to use linux from a windows centric way
[07:43] <kosh> unixes are entirely different
[07:44] <kosh> these problems you are finding are a result of the approach you are trying to take
[07:44] <tomplast> its not a question about linux and windows
[07:45] <tomplast> its a question of making linux easy to administrate
[07:45] <tomplast> like a school network
[07:45] <kosh> the problem is that you are trying to setup linux to be just like windows
[07:45] <tomplast> there are always things todo and speeding up the job instead of attend to each computer individually would be nice
[07:45] <kosh> it is about linux vs windows
[07:45] <tomplast> hey
[07:45] <tomplast> forget windows
[07:45] <kosh> the normal way for what you are trying to do is just have all the desktops be dumb terminals
[07:46] <tomplast> linux shouldnt stop evolve because windows has something nice
[07:46] <tomplast> dont you think its nice to be able to administrate something?
[07:46] <tomplast> and save time?
[07:46] <tomplast> much time?
[07:46] <kosh> god have you not even listened to me at all
[07:46] <kosh> the normal way does not require ANY time for the clients
[07:46] <kosh> they are dumb terminals
[07:46] <kosh> they run over a network and login to a remote machine from which all applications run
[07:46] <tomplast> oh :$
[07:46] <kosh> the ONLY machine that is ever updated is the server
[07:46] <tomplast> sorry
[07:47] <tomplast> you meant like that :$
[07:47] <tomplast> that is what i mean :$
[07:47] <tomplast> sorry
[07:47] <kosh> what is :$
[07:47] <tomplast> but that would demand a speedy server right?
[07:47] <tomplast> embarresed
[07:47] <kosh> depends on how many clients you want to run, what apps etc
[07:48] <tomplast> so a dumb terminal is basically a system which mounts / to NFS?
[07:48] <kosh> however it is almost always cheeper to get one faster server and lots of slow clients then lots of computers fast enough for each client
[07:48] <kosh> nope a dumb terminal is even simpler, you can just boot them off a cd with no hard drive at all and have them setup to look at the server for the entire login process
[07:48] <kosh> I think the linux terminal server project has a lot of information on it
[07:49] <tomplast> yeah but running everyone without a harddrive would make it slower right?
[07:50] <kosh> how fast is your network, how many computers?
[07:50] <kosh> what kinds of applications?
[07:50] <tomplast> i was thinking of an experiment at school, 6 edubuntu computers or so.
[07:50] <kosh> I know that kind of setup worked very well in the cs depertment when I went to college
[07:51] <kosh> so you want to do sound videos etc?
[07:51] <tomplast> sound could be nice but its that important
[07:51] <tomplast> X should be there
[07:52] <tomplast> for surfing and things like that
[07:52] <kosh> well part of being a dumb terminal is that x is there :)
[07:52] <tomplast> oki :)
[07:52] <tomplast> as long as their are a graphical interface im happy :)
[07:52] <tomplast> at least for the clients :p
[07:52] <kosh> http://www.ltsp.org/  try looking at that
[07:53] <tomplast> thanks
[07:53] <kosh> there are other ways to do it also if you want to offload more stuff to the clients
[07:54] <tomplast> so if i have understood this right, the terminals have no hdd and boots up on a cdrom that finds the server?
[07:54] <kosh> that is the simplest most reliable way and usually the cheapest
[07:54] <tomplast> but would i have to make my own live cd then?
[07:55] <tomplast> and what would be on it really (not much needed right)?
[07:55] <kosh> another way is nfs mount /home,  use ldap for auth,  have the server with a local apt repository and the clients would have auto-apt installed and they would just update once per day from the server
[07:55] <kosh> I think that website I linked to has cd images you can download for that
[07:56] <tomplast> ah :)
[07:56] <tomplast> also
[07:56] <tomplast> the computers im talking about is around 400 mhz :/
[07:56] <kosh> there are many options depending on how your network is setup, what you have for server resources,  client resources etc
[07:56] <tomplast> and not that much ram so kde is way too slow
[07:56] <_jonathan> back...how do i make VI my default editor
[07:57] <_jonathan> i did an export command but it is back to nano
[07:57] <kosh> tomplast: so what you need is a faster server and run it all remotely
[07:57] <tomplast> kosh: how fast would be enough IYO?
[07:58] <tomplast> kosh: lets say that i will have 5 clients
[07:58] <kosh> tomplast: I would probably get about 1G of ram and an athlon xp 3200 or so
[07:58] <kosh> tomplast: a machine like that would be worth < $500  or so and run very fast with that many clients and you could expand it over time
[07:58] <tomplast> kosh: :/
[07:59] <kosh> 1G of ram is only about $60 or so
[07:59] <tomplast> kosh: yeah but remember this is school, maybe i can get them to pay it (maybe)
[07:59] <kosh> you could go far lower then that
[07:59] <kosh> however whatever you run needs to have ram
[07:59] <tomplast> kosh: mm, remember its only 5 clients
[08:00] <tomplast> kosh: surfing, maybe some krita, documents and things like that
[08:00] <kosh> if you want kde to run you need 128-256 of ram on one computer, to run 5 you would probably need 512M or so on a server
[08:00] <tomplast> kosh: hmm, maybe xfce is better then. waht does it needs?
[08:00] <kosh> it takes less memory to run 5 copies on one server then it does to run one copy of each of 5 computers
[08:01] <kosh> icewm would take a lot less but all of the stuff is going to require a fair bit of ram
[08:01] <kosh> since if you want to use any browser it will take a fair bit of memory
[08:01] <kosh> same with krita etc
[08:01] <tomplast> opera would be best
[08:01] <tomplast> low ram fast speed
[08:01] <kosh> sorry this stuff pretty much all requires a lot of memory now however ram is very very cheap now
[08:02] <tomplast> mm, maybe i can try to get my school apy for it :p
[08:02] <tomplast> but is a terminal with 400 mhz and max 128 mb of ram enough?
[08:02] <kosh> the terminal machine would only need 16M of ram or so
[08:02] <tomplast> :p
[08:02] <kosh> the server would need 512M to 1G
[08:03] <kosh> and you could run 5 - 50 or so machines off of it depending on what you are trying to do
[08:03] <tomplast> oki, but would everything run very slow?
[08:03] <tomplast> compared to running it locally?
[08:03] <tomplast> on a 400 mhz with 128 mb ram
[08:03] <tomplast> ?
[08:03] <kosh> that depends on your network and the applications being done
[08:04] <tomplast> i know but lets say its a good connection and its just basic use (surfing, writing text)
[08:04] <tomplast> cause now it loads a lot on the machines :/
[08:05] <tomplast> if it wont go faster it would be quite useless from a point of view
[08:05] <kosh> you are running the machines individually right now with kde on a 400mhz proc with 128M of ram and it is running very slowly?
[08:05] <kosh> how many apps are you running at a time?
[08:06] <tomplast> the normal
[08:06] <tomplast> those who are isntalled
[08:06] <tomplast> kde takes a little time to respond
[08:06] <tomplast> not so long
[08:06] <tomplast> but long enough to notice the delay
[08:07] <tomplast> sometimes
[08:07] <kosh> so why do you not want to just keep the current setup?
[08:07] <tomplast> right now im running a 3ghz p4 so i can feel the difference :p
[08:07] <tomplast> cause i would like to experiment
[08:07] <tomplast> to get new linux skills
[08:07] <tomplast> maybe work with this some day
[08:08] <kosh> you should look at the terminal service project and see if you could get a machine with more ram
[08:08] <tomplast> yeah I will :)
[08:08] <kosh> even a 1ghz machine with 1G of ram will probably be faster then the client machines running remotely
[08:08] <tomplast> thank you for your time kosh :)
[08:08] <tomplast> now i will prepare for school :)
[08:08] <tomplast> take care
[08:08] <tomplast> bye
[08:49] <callie> good morning guys
[08:51] <gnu_style> breezy and drapper drake.. where do the names come from?
[08:51] <kakalto> pure genius :P
[08:51] <gnu_style> debians name come from toy story... ubuntu's name come from?
[08:51] <mart> hey, that's a good name for dapper +1
[08:51] <mart> gnu_style: er, I think random pub conversations
[08:51] <kakalto> :D
[08:52] <kakalto> didn't you understand when I first said 'pure genius'? :P
[08:53] <mart> wonder if the good Mr Shuttleworth could be persuaded that, actually, getting sued by Guinness would be well worth it, if we stole their slogan... :)
[08:54] <callie> im not sure they would even be sue-able
[08:54] <mart> no?
[08:54] <callie> becuase the two 'companies' are in completely different markets
[08:54] <mart> hmmm
[08:54] <callie> hence the whole 'apple' records and computers thing
[08:54] <mart> I think that only applies to trademarks
[08:55] <mart> oh,
[08:55] <mart> *thinks*
[08:55] <mart> duh
[08:55] <callie> i dunno, im no law student, that just sprung to mind
[08:55] <callie> anyone know if its possible to disable the POST memory test
[08:56] <callie> ?
[08:56] <mart> poke about in the BIOS a bit
[08:56] <mart> it varies depending on the BIOS
[08:56] <callie> yeah, i havent seen anything that seems aplicable
[08:56] <callie> just wondered if it had some stupid name
[08:56] <mart> I think it's on the left menu ...
[08:56] <mart> on every system I've ever had
[08:57] <callie> left?
[08:57] <mart> on all mine, the main menu has a menu, which has some things on the left and somethings on the right
[08:57] <callie> its odd, i've got this old computer and its just started acting weird, it keeps testing the ram in a cycle
[08:57] <mart> and a blue background
[08:57] <callie> over and and over
[08:58] <callie> mart, most of the menu options are on the left on nearly all computers
[08:58] <callie> :)
[08:58] <mart> quote of the day ^
[08:58] <callie> lol
[04:09] <simian> jshaw: i added the printer ok but when i try to print it jsut say processing and that's it?
[04:11] <callie> hmmm
[04:12] <callie> i still cant understand why the mouse is so slow, everything else seems to be running fine
[04:12] <callie> stuff loads rather quickly to be honest
[04:12] <callie> bizarre
[04:12] <jshaw> simian: what kind of printer is it, how is it connected, ect?
[04:12] <jshaw> callie: Can you tell what printer driver it is using?
[04:13] <apokryphos> callie: are you on dapper? laptop?
[04:13] <callie> its an old computer im trying to get running
[04:14] <apokryphos> callie: you didn't answer either of those =)
[04:14] <callie> its kubuntu 5.10
[04:14] <callie> and no its not a laptop
[04:15] <apokryphos> callie: have you tried changing the mouse acceleration speed from the KDE control center?
[04:15] <callie> im not using kde
[04:15] <callie> blackbox
[04:16] <apokryphos> callie: -> #ubuntu then
[04:17] <callie> i dont like #ubuntu
[04:17] <callie> too many users and too many people who are up their own asses
[04:17] <apokryphos> I disagree, but hey.
[04:17] <callie> just my experience
[04:17] <apokryphos> callie: this channel is for KDE-related support, so your question is asked in the wrong place.
[04:18] <callie> apokryphos: chill
[04:18] <callie> you dont HAVE to help me you know
[04:18] <apokryphos> callie: I assure you, I'm quite chilled :)
[04:18] <apokryphos> callie: I didn't say I did -- I just told you that you're asking your question in the wrong place.
[04:19] <klugez> callie: you'd have a higher chance of getting answers from someone you actually _knows_ something about blackbox
[04:19] <klugez> this is, after all, a KDE users channel
[04:19] <callie> anyone else fancy a bash?
[04:19] <callie> klugez: butt out
[04:19] <apokryphos> callie: please don't be annoying.
[04:19] <jshaw> I'd venture to say the problem is with x, not blackbox
[04:20] <callie> im using a kubuntu server install
[04:20] <callie> i think thats enough
[04:20] <apokryphos> callie: it's not "a bash", it's simple facts.
[04:20] <callie> oh fuck off
[04:20] <klugez> callie: i didn't mean to be offensive, that's just how it is
[04:21] <dash-> rofl
[04:21] <klugez> i for one hadn't even heard of blackbox before
[04:21] <dash-> hi babe
[04:21] <apokryphos> hi
[04:21] <dash-> whats up
[04:22] <apokryphos> not much; playing with dapper.
[04:22] <jshaw> Well... I have to say... I certainly think that could have been handled better.  The guy had a problem with kubuntu server and went to the kubuntu group.  If you don't know how to help him that is fine.  Though his language is certainly not neccesary
[04:23] <dash-> how can i get my linux box to send a request out on a network im vpn;ed to to get machine / netbios names
[04:23] <dash-> so i can just vnc to a machine name and not an IP
[04:23] <apokryphos> jshaw: no, his problem is *not* with a kubuntu server, it's with blackbox. X does not come with Kubuntu server install, anyhow.
[04:24] <dash-> like windows sends out packets to all its hosts to find machine names
[04:24] <dash-> is there a linux thing that does the same
[04:24] <klugez> jshaw: besides, he was only given a warning for his language, not kicked off the channel
[04:24] <apokryphos> klugez: mode was changed to +b -- not really a warning.
[04:25] <klugez> apokryphos: oh, does that disable speaking on the channel instantly?
[04:25] <apokryphos> yes
[04:25] <klugez> i thought kick was needed also
[04:25] <klugez> oh, my mistake
[04:26] <eduardo> People, I have a 24 Bits Sound Blaster Audigy Audi Card... but the music here au Kubuntu is "jumping" a little bit quite often...
[04:26] <eduardo> does anybody knows how to help me?
[04:26] <apokryphos> dash-: you can browse netbios names in samba, if that will help.
[04:26] <simian> jshaw: sorry i got called away, it's a canon lasershot 3000 (USB)
[04:26] <dash-> just need something that will scan the vpn'ed range im onm
[04:26] <dash-> and tell me machine names
[04:27] <apokryphos> dash-: try samba, in konqueror -> smb:/
[04:27] <eduardo> OK... BYE
[04:28] <dash-> apokryphos that worked
[04:28] <dash-> but yet if i use vnc krdc and put the same machine name in
[04:28] <dash-> and press connect
[04:28] <dash-> it cant find the machine...
[04:28] <dash-> oddd?
[04:28] <jjesse_> sounds like a dns issue?
[04:28] <apokryphos> I didn't know krdc could work without the IP, but perhaps it can
[04:28] <jjesse_> are you getting dns settings from the vpn ?
[04:29] <jjesse_> apokryphos: I use dns name (ts4.foundersttrust.net) in krdc here at work
[04:29] <dash-> right now this is my local network
[04:29] <dash-> it works with IP
[04:29] <dash-> is there any software that works with machinename and and supports connections to remote desktop (ts) remote admin and vnc
[04:29] <dash-> ?
[04:29] <jshaw> simian: What setup params did you use?
[04:29] <dash-> thats better than krdc
[04:30] <jjesse_> dash-: i also use tsclient
[04:30] <dash-> tsclient is for remote desktop only?
[04:31] <simian> none i jsut went to http://localhost:631/ and clicked add printer
[04:31] <dash-> is there a way to scan and list machinenames
[04:31] <dash-> on a network
[04:32] <dash-> netbios names
[04:32] <apokryphos> I'm actually wondering if there's any way to generate all IPs on the network with netbios names
[04:32] <jjesse_> nmap?
[04:32] <dash-> this is my problem
[04:32] <dash-> u see with windows i can go run > \\compname
[04:32] <apokryphos> jjesse_: couldn't see any option in that which would, nope.
[04:32] <dash-> and it opens it which si fine.....
[04:32] <dash-> cos i do the smb://
[04:32] <dash-> but
[04:32] <apokryphos> jjesse_: it can generate all IPs on the network, but no option (I see) for netbios too
[04:32] <dash-> for other vnc software
[04:33] <dash-> which is why i need machine names to auto be detected like they do on windows
[04:33] <dash-> cos IP's for each machine changes now and then
[04:33] <jtshaw> simian: Right, but under Device what did you pick?
[04:33] <dash-> whne your dealing with like 40 businesses.
[04:35] <simian> it had my printer listed 'canon lpb 3000' so i chose that
[04:35] <simian> jtshaw: it had my printer listed 'canon lpb 3000' so i chose that
[04:36] <jtshaw> simian: Ok, and what driver did you use?
[04:37] <simian> jtshaw: it recomended one Canon LBP-4+ Foomatic/lbp8 (recommended)
[04:39] <simian> jtshaw: Device URI: usb://Canon/LBP3000
[04:39] <simian> jtshaw: this is what it's status is at the momet (for about half an hour) Printer State: processing, accepting jobs, published
[04:58] <jtshaw> simian: sorry... got pulled away to help a co-worker... I wasn't able to find anything refering to a LBJ-3000 on linuxprinting.org
[04:58] <jtshaw> simian: Does it perhaps support postscript?
[05:00] <jtshaw> simian: if you think it does.. perhaps the generic postscript driver is your best bet
[05:02] <simian> jtshaw: ok i'll try postscript, thanks
[05:07] <robotgeek> apokryphos: hey
[05:08] <apokryphos> robotgeek: heyhey
[05:09] <robotgeek> apokryphos: long time no see
[05:09] <apokryphos> robotgeek: been around a bit more lately
[05:09] <apokryphos> which is probably a bad thing :P
[05:10] <robotgeek> apokryphos: heh. can i /msg you?
[05:10] <apokryphos> of course
[05:10] <Random_Transit> hey, can someone help me, I'm trying to burn a bootable DVD, and I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing...
[05:11] <apokryphos> Random_Transit: is it an ISO?
[05:11] <Random_Transit> no....well, not REALLY
[05:11] <DarkAdmiral> i've installed a new kernel 2.6.12-k7 but how do i activate the nvidia driver for the new one?
[05:13] <Random_Transit> it's a cd ISO, that I unpacked...it's the LiveCD installer for Gentoo, i wanted to put it on a DVD
[05:13] <apokryphos> Random_Transit: what is it?
[05:14] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: simply install nvidia-glx, and it'll be fine.
[05:14] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: presuming your xorg.conf reflects nvidia as the driver, too.
[05:14] <apokryphos> Random_Transit: if you unpacked it it's not really going to burn nicely
[05:15] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: it is already installed and it works fine with the i386-kernel
[05:15] <Random_Transit> apokryphos, is there anyway i can convert the CD ISO to a DVD ISO?
[05:15] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: sure, then.
[05:16] <apokryphos> Random_Transit: not sure that I know of any.  Can you definitely not burn just the CD ISO onto dvd?
[05:16] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: it does not work. It just jums out of x11 without an error
[05:16] <Random_Transit> apokryphos: I've tried before with other distros
[05:17] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: try starting x manually. What's the output of startx?
[05:18] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: 1 sec black screen then i'm back in console without an error message
[05:19] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: there must be an error message
[05:20] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: there's no
[05:20] <Skrot> Hi. Could anyone inform me about what SCIM is good for? =)
[05:20] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: it just starts when i changed "nvidia" to "nv" in xorg
[05:20] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: or when i use the old kernel
[05:20] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx gives?
[05:21] <robotgeek_work> Skrot: for entering text in non-english locales
[05:21] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: already installed...
[05:21] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: hm
[05:21] <Skrot> robotgeek_work: Hmm.. could you elaborate? =)
[05:21] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: do i have better performance with a k7 kernel?
[05:21] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: what happens if you do a full dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:21] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: if you have an amd, yes.
[05:22] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: it doesn't take effect
[05:22] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: what do you mean?
[05:22] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: dpkg-reconfigure
[05:22] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: but how does it not take effect?
[05:23] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: maybe i should try the nvidia install script
[05:23] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: it does not help...
[05:23] <tijn> can i use the same seveas mirror for dapper, (used breezy)
[05:23] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: hm, I find it odd that it doesn't work, but I guess it's possible.
[05:23] <tijn> !w32codecs
[05:23] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[05:24] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: have you tried purging nvidia-glx and then reinstalling?
[05:24] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: no just reconfigure
[05:24] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:24] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: i will try it. thank you, it's not that dramatic^^
[05:25] <apokryphos> =)
[05:25] <savedR> Juys, I have an ugly partitioning question.
[05:26] <savedR> I'm running the Kubuntu installer from CD, and it refuses to resize my hard drive's partitions.
[05:26] <arafat> !lighttpd
[05:26] <ubotu> arafat: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:26] <Random_Transit> first time I've heard of that one, savedR
[05:27] <savedR> I know it.
[05:27] <savedR> It's not that weird, it's a Maxtor 80GB with one partition, Win 98 FAT32 filling the whole drive.
[05:27] <klugez> savedR: what's the file system?
[05:27] <Random_Transit> could there be a problem with the drive physically?
[05:28] <savedR> I don't think so; I've run a thorough Scandisk scan (including physical) and defragmented.
[05:28] <savedR> It took like, three days to defragment this drive; it's an 80GB drive on a Pentium 2 233 computer. :D
[05:28] <Random_Transit> saveR, are you on win98 right now?
[05:28] <savedR> I had to Scandisk from DOS to get it to work at all.
[05:28] <savedR> Yep.
[05:29] <Random_Transit> use fdisk or partition magic to repartition the drive
[05:29] <savedR> Dos version?
[05:29] <savedR> I'm sure I have a dos 6.22 bootdisk lying around with fdisk.
[05:29] <Random_Transit> no need
[05:29] <Random_Transit> it's still included in win98
[05:29] <savedR> Can I do it just from a command line boot, then?
[05:29] <Random_Transit> sure
[05:29] <savedR> rock.
[05:29] <Random_Transit> but back stuff up first
[05:30] <savedR> Ok.
[05:30] <tijn> who needs backups ? :D
[05:30] <savedR> hehehe.
[05:30] <Random_Transit> 'cos fdisk doesn't have the finesse that something like partition magic does
[05:30] <savedR> Oh, yeah. And it irks me that I can't afford $50 right now.
[05:30] <savedR> (I should totally grab it from somewhere.)
[05:30] <Random_Transit> also...if you want, you could download Knoppix and use it's partitioning tools
[05:31] <savedR> Oh, cool.
[05:31] <Random_Transit> or just download the kubuntu live cd
[05:31] <tijn> or tomsrtbt
[05:31] <savedR> If I do go with fdisk, I should just resize my win98 partition and leave the empty space to be partitioned by the Kubuntu installer, right?
[05:31] <Random_Transit> actually, it would be better if you used a linux based tool, come to think of it
[05:32] <savedR> I might end up downloading the live cd. But if I do, I won't be able to save things on my FAT32 partition, will I?
[05:32] <jtshaw> parted should be able to do it I'd think
[05:32] <savedR> Well, I think I'll try and get Knoppix then.
[05:32] <tijn> you will
[05:32] <Random_Transit> Knoppix is great...saves the day most times
[05:32] <savedR> Ah. Mebbe I'll go that way.
[05:32] <jtshaw> I actually used the Kubuntu livecd to resize my harddrive... If I remember correctly
[05:33] <savedR> Y'all have been a TREMENDOUS help! :D
[05:33] <savedR> Oh, wow, ok.
[05:33] <savedR> I'll get that LiveCD then.
[05:33] <Random_Transit> basically, LiveCD is the way to go
[05:33] <Random_Transit> no matter which distro
[05:34] <Random_Transit> savedR: what are the specs for this machine?
[05:34] <Random_Transit> i can tell you how to partition the drive
[05:34] <savedR> P2 233mHz, something like 176 MB RAM, Maxtor 80GB HD (7200ms seek)
[05:34] <Random_Transit> because you'll need more than one partition
[05:34] <Random_Transit> ok
[05:35] <savedR> It's wery old, I know. :D
[05:35] <tijn> how much ram?
[05:35] <savedR> 176MB.
[05:35] <horea> same here... :(
[05:35] <savedR> Kinda big for a system as old as it is.
[05:35] <horea> but p3
[05:35] <savedR> Hah, cool. :D
[05:35] <savedR> Aha.
[05:36] <savedR> One o' them new-fangled, "new" computers. Hehe.
[05:36] <tijn> :)
[05:36] <Random_Transit> when you partition it...partition it three ways...one part for "/" for "/home" and one for swap
[05:36] <Random_Transit> for swap, you should only need up to a gig
[05:36] <savedR> Good, good.
[05:37] <savedR> I was wondering how much to use, lots of places say double the ram, eh.
[05:37] <savedR> Sounds good to me, I've got like 50GB free.
[05:38] <Random_Transit> 50? okay try partitioninng about 20 for each then
[05:38] <Random_Transit> after swap
[05:38] <savedR> Ok.
[05:38] <Random_Transit> that way you still have 10 on the windows side to play with
[05:38] <savedR> That'll be reasonably huge.
[05:38] <Random_Transit> not for me...^_~
[05:39] <Random_Transit> savedR, i have three hard drives...not partitions, hard drives
[05:40] <Random_Transit> one is used to try out new OSes
[05:40] <Random_Transit> the other two, a 100GB and an 80GB are for Windows and Ubuntu
[05:41] <Random_Transit> the "testing" drive is only 20
[05:41] <savedR> Hahaha.
[05:41] <Random_Transit> and ubu got the bigger drive
[05:41] <savedR> See, I have a second 40GB hard drive that I'd love to use, but it has bad sectors.
[05:42] <savedR> And I tried for about a week to install Slackware on that drive, just using the whole thing, and it never would work.
[05:42] <savedR> I wonder if Kubuntu would work, that would be sweet. I could leave the drive connected and boot to it with a boot disk, with no danger to the windows drive whatsoever.
[05:45] <Random_Transit> well, slack is overrated, IMO anyway
[05:46] <tristanmike> but slack can fit on a "business card" cd, that in itself is pretty cool
[05:46] <Random_Transit> it's not a BAD distro...but not something i would suggest for new users
[05:47] <roland> mannomannomannomann
[05:47] <tristanmike> absolutely
[05:47] <jtshaw> I love slack... I used it for about 6 years... but the lack of a package management system lead me to other pastures
[05:47] <yanis> hi
[05:47] <Random_Transit> yeah...those TGZ packages made no sense to me
[05:47] <roland> hat hier schon mal jemand seinen mlleimer sooo voll gehabt, dass er sich nicht mehr leeren lie
[05:48] <roland> also den von KDE mein ich
[05:48] <yanis> how do I make the taskbar transparent?
[05:48] <tristanmike> !de
[05:48] <_mindspin> !de
[05:48] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[05:48] <tristanmike> ....maybe...?
[05:48] <jtshaw> ya.. I mean, I understand the format (Tgz are exactly the same as RPM's minus the spec file)... but with no dependency checking it is a nightmare
[05:48] <Random_Transit> exactly
[05:49] <Random_Transit> that's why i wanna try gentoo
[05:49] <jtshaw> I've only be using Kubuntu for about 3 days.. but I must say... tools are quite good.  Adept drives me nuts, but Synaptic is great
[05:49] <Random_Transit> adept is a flaming piece of shite
[05:49] <_mindspin> !coc
[05:49] <ubotu> I guess coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[05:49] <tristanmike> lol
[05:49] <Random_Transit> kynaptic is MUCH better
[05:49] <jtshaw> I've switched from Slack to Gentoo in 2002... still run it on a lot of machines, it is good also.. but the compiling takes forever
[05:50] <Random_Transit> yeah, so i've heard
[05:50] <jtshaw> kynaptic doesn't seam to be in the repo anymore in Dapper.. unless I'm just being stupid again
[05:50] <robotgeek> Random_Transit: are you on dapper or breezy
[05:50] <Random_Transit> breezy
[05:50] <Random_Transit> i ain't touching dapper 'till it's stable
[05:50] <Random_Transit> XGL or not
[05:50] <tristanmike> me too
[05:51] <jtshaw> this is my test laptop so I figured I'd test with it.. I always have the MacBook if this thing dies
[05:51] <robotgeek> Random_Transit: adept in dapper rocks
[05:51] <tristanmike> robotgeek, really, that's good news, cause it is terrible for me in Breezy
[05:51] <Random_Transit> well, when dapper stable goes live in june, i'll check it out
[05:51] <jtshaw> robotgeek: It might be that I'm just not used to it.. but I think the layout is much worse in Adept then Kynaptic, even in Dapper
[05:52] <_mindspin> adept looks like a web applicatoion ;-)
[05:52] <Random_Transit> so far synaptic has the nicest interface, IMO
[05:52] <derekS_> Random_Transit: apt has the nicest, imho
[05:52] <_mindspin> and I miss the "enter" button for filtering
[05:53] <robotgeek> jtshaw: yes, that could be. it just takes getting used to, i think
[05:55] <Random_Transit> i wish they would make a synaptic clone that looked essentially the same but just used QT instead of GTK
[05:55] <jtshaw> isn't that kynaptic?
[05:55] <Random_Transit> no...the interface is quite different
[05:55] <Random_Transit> more dumbed down, so to speak
[05:56] <jtshaw> ah, ok.. I'm fairly new with all these tools so I didn't really notice that
[05:56] <jtshaw> I'm still having to train myself not to type "emerge -uDva <package>" when I want to install something
[05:56] <Random_Transit> lol
[05:57] <madacf> cau lenka
[05:57] <Random_Transit> it's apt-get install <package>, jtshaw
[05:57] <jtshaw> Random: I'm aware:) Its just my mind keeps going back to Gentoo
[05:57] <Random_Transit> lol
[05:58] <madacf> ziza cauko
[05:59] <jtshaw> I tried Ubuntu because my harddrive died on one of my work laptops and I'm on a business trip so I didn't want to have to compile everything again... and we get more and more ubuntu users on LInuxQuestions.org every day so I assumed people must like it
[05:59] <jtshaw> so far it has been great
[05:59] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: i built the nvidia driver myself, and now it works fine :)
[05:59] <apokryphos> cool :)
[06:00] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: the reinstall didn't work?
[06:00] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: yes it didn't work
[06:00] <apokryphos> interesting
[06:01] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: did you do the install when you were running the new kernel?
[06:01] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: and now i have the newest version^^
[06:01] <madacf> haaammmmer to faall
[06:01] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: yes
[06:01] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: ok, cool :)
[06:01] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: might be worth double-checking that render acceleration is enabled in xorg.conf
[06:01] <jtshaw> small question.. in Kopete I sware I used to be able to mouse over and see the features peoples clients supported (and most importantly if they were using the Mobile client from there cell phone).  Anyone know how to enable that?
[06:01] <apokryphos> it speeds up things a lot :)
[06:01] <madacf> google.sk/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[06:02] <madacf> kuva
[06:02] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: should I activate it? In section "dri"?
[06:03] <madacf> yahoo
[06:03] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: definitely
[06:03] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: what card do you have?
[06:03] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: sorry, in section "Device"
[06:03] <apokryphos> just add     Option       "RenderAccel" "true"
[06:04] <DarkAdmiral> ok thx (geforce 4 ti-4200)
[06:04] <madacf> hooyeah
[06:06] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: do i have to switch this on? "Option "RENDER" "enable""
[06:07] <apokryphos> DarkAdmiral: you already have that? I have no idea what that is, nope.
[06:07] <DarkAdmiral> *trying*
[06:14] <DarkAdmiral> apokryphos: ok everything is fine^^
[06:14] <apokryphos> cool =)
[06:20] <phenex> hey guys... i need some help with a new dapper kubuntu install... when i ran it first all looked ok, then when i tried to load the updating app it just wouldn't load... asked for a password and disapeared... then when i restarted X the display became 640X480 and there is no option to change it... what is going on here?
[06:23] <apokryphos> phenex: dapper discussions in #ubuntu+1  :)
[06:28] <carsten> Moin. Did many ppl already move to dapper via a dist-upgrade? If so: Can this be recommandet for  a not mission-critial system (only office-stuff + internet)
[06:30] <chumphries> i did it for my workstation in the office and it is fine
[06:30] <derekS_> phenex: /join #ubuntu+1
[06:30] <derekS_> blah
[06:30] <derekS_> sorry
[06:31] <jshaw_> urg... I hate it when my net connection faulters and I loose my nick
[06:36] <JakubS_> carsten: yes, works fine
[06:37] <apokryphos> carsten: it's reasonably stable at the moment, yes.
[06:37] <carsten> sound good, so this weekend I will do it :)
[06:39] <Skrot> Hi. Is there a package I can reconfigure to reconfigure alsa?
[06:40] <apokryphos> Skrot: reconfigure or restart?
[06:41] <Skrot> apokryphos: reconfigure.. alsa finds my card, but there is NO sound.. not even with "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"
[06:42] <Skrot> Finds as in the card is in alsamixer
[06:42] <crimsun> Skrot: pastebin ``cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer -c0''
[06:43] <Skrot> crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fH08zY12.html
[06:44] <crimsun> Skrot: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[06:45] <Skrot> Mixers:
[06:45] <Skrot> 0: SigmaTel STAC9200
[06:45] <Skrot> That might be my modem btw
[06:45] <Skrot> Or maybe not
[06:46] <crimsun> dapper or breezy?
[06:46] <Skrot> dapper
[06:46] <crimsun> -19.29?
[06:47] <Skrot> huh? =)
[06:47] <crimsun> uname -r
[06:47] <Skrot> own kernel
[06:47] <crimsun> then I can't help you
[06:47] <Skrot> based on 2.6.15 linux source from apt
[06:47] <crimsun> but -which- 2.6.15?
[06:47] <Skrot> .5
[06:47] <Skrot> 2.6.15.5-ubuntu1
[06:48] <crimsun> no, I mean did you pull linux-source from Ubuntu's repo?
[06:48] <Skrot> yes
[06:48] <crimsun> then which version did you pull?
[06:48] <Skrot> linux-source-2.6.15?
[06:48] <crimsun> no, that's the name of the package. I need the -version-.
[06:49] <Skrot>   Installed: 2.6.15-19.29
[06:49] <crimsun> ok, good.
[06:49] <crimsun> that's probably related to the changes that I merged. I'll have to go back and look at them again.
[06:50] <Skrot> okay =)
[06:51] <Skrot> Let me know? =)
[06:51] <crimsun> it'll be a couple days before I even get a chance to look at them
[06:51] <crimsun> I have several prospective grad students that are meeting with me
[06:52] <chumphries> has anyone gotten Xgl working with kde? i tried myself using the howtos available all over the place, and compiz seems to kill window decorations and the kde-window-decorator doesn't seem to do anything but kill any window manager activities. i have a supported video card and the driver is working correctly
[06:52] <chumphries> using dapper
[06:55] <carsten> chumphries: I've seen and used it on the cebit
[06:59] <Skrot> crimsun: I see. Anywhere I can download the former version?
[06:59] <yanis> how do I change the theme of kdm???
[07:00] <laszlok> chumphries: AFAIK there is no Xgl window decorator for KDE, but you can use the gnome one with KDE by running "nohup gnome-window-decorator"
[07:01] <laszlok> chumphries: after you have compiz up
[07:02] <crimsun> Skrot: sure, would still be in the repos
[07:03] <crimsun> Skrot: I presume it worked in -18-, correct?
[07:03] <Skrot> crimsun: Acctually, I haven't tried in a good while
[07:05] <Tonio_> hello
[07:05] <Skrot> crimsun: I made a .deb of the last kernel-source I compiled, do you know if I can check which linux-source version it was built from?
[07:05] <crimsun> Skrot: ah, nevermind. Fixes were just committed 6 hours ago, so yours wouldn't have worked in a good while anyway.
[07:06] <crimsun> Skrot: head debian/changelog
[07:06] <Skrot> head? =)
[07:07] <crimsun> yes, it's a command
[07:07] <Skrot> ah
[07:07] <Skrot> I might mention that i made the deb on my former installation, and it's not installed on this one
[07:08] <epinephrine> is it possible to downgrade frpm dapper to breezy without reinstalling? I changed every occurence of dapper to breezy in sources.list hoping apt-get dist-upgrade would work, but it didn't. :P
[07:11] <trappist> epinephrine: I'm afraid not
[07:11] <vaporwave> hi everyone I have a brand new Asus notebook and I have trouble booting kubuntu..it hangs when "starting hotplug subsystem"..could anyone advice me?
[07:12] <trappist> vaporwave: I've seen that exact complaint often enough that I'm sure there's a bug report on it in malone, probably with a solution or workaround
[07:12] <vaporwave> trappist: ok, I'll try my old friend google once more..
[07:12] <epinephrine> trappist: I'm trying http://riceball.com/drupal/?q=node/282 now. if it screws up my system, I'm downloading a breezy cd now, not too much hassle to reinstall
[07:13] <epinephrine> a reinstall back when I used gentoo was not fun ;P
[07:14] <epinephrine> do you reckon that would break things?
[07:15] <Skrot> crimsun: Was this patch commited to the 2.6.15 tree on kernel.org? And in that case, is it also in 2.6.16
[07:15] <crimsun> Skrot: no, it's only in alsa cvs.
[07:16] <crimsun> Skrot: and it wouldn't have made it into 2.6.16; the fixes were only committed upstream 6 hours ago
[07:16] <crimsun> long after 2.6.16 was released
[07:17] <Skrot> I see.. so 2.6.16 is "safe" as far as that bug goes?
[07:17] <mart> hmm, there were some bugs found by Coverity fixed in 2.6.16 - wonder if we can expect a security release.
[07:18] <crimsun> Skrot: no, it's still affected.
[07:18] <Skrot> damn :)
[07:18] <crimsun> mart: we've been merging the fixes as quickly as possible
[07:21] <chumphries> laszlok: oh that must be what i am doing wrong
[07:21] <Skrot> crimsun: So bottom line is; wait? :)
[07:22] <chumphries> carsten what is cebit?
[07:23] <chumphries> doh
[07:23] <crimsun> Skrot: yes
[07:24] <Skrot> crimsun: okay =)
[07:28] <Skrot> hi. does anyone know how I configure my laptop to speedstep down when 2GHz of CPU is not needed?
[07:29] <tomas_> guys
[07:29] <tomas_> there is a crisis here, sort of
[07:29] <tomas_> does anyone knows about editable areas?
[07:30] <tristanmike> with "sudo" everything is editable, can you expand ?
[07:30] <tristanmike> or kdesu
[07:30] <tomas_> web pages
[07:30] <tomas_> there is something called editable areas which doesnt seems to work with firefox and opera :/
[07:31] <onami2> hello, how do i disable agpgart from discover on breezy ? the nvidia binary drivers freeze becasue of it on Option NvAgp 1
[07:41] <mendred> onami2: http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html#Ch_III
[07:41] <mendred> see the section called chapter 5
[07:42] <onami2> mendred, thank you
[07:43] <mendred> dont thank me yet
[07:43] <mendred> see if it works :)
[07:51] <RasCaL> Hi I am on day three with no net access, I have my laptop here now, can someone please walk me through setting up my wifi card that kubuntu didn't recognize?
[07:51] <gleesond> ok so I wan't to kill my ATI cartd
[07:51] <gleesond> because I can't get X to work
[07:52] <gleesond> I did what the ATI wiki told me to do but it didn't fix any thing
[07:52] <gleesond> could it be that I have the busID wrong in the xorg.conf file
[07:52] <gleesond> because its something like PCI:1:0:0 but its a agp card
[07:54] <tomas_> guys
[07:55] <tomas_> please help me install internet explorer for iwne
[07:55] <tomas_> wine
[07:55] <tomas_> *-)
[07:55] <RasCaL> tomas_ is that a joke?
[07:55] <tomas_> NO
[07:55] <RasCaL> it it is funny :P
[07:55] <tomas_> why would it be one?
[07:56] <tomas_> i dont want internet explorer
[07:56] <tomas_> but my cousin needs it for a webpage :/
[07:56] <RasCaL> ?
[07:56] <RasCaL> you said it
[07:56] <tomas_> there is something called contentEditable or something like that
[07:56] <RasCaL> I doubt it would work for whatever reason he would need it
[07:56] <tomas_> that doesnt work well in either opera or mozila :/
[07:56] <tomas_> ?
[07:56] <tomas_> please tell me how to install ie if you know
[07:57] <RasCaL> I have never done it
[07:57] <tomas_> oki
[07:57] <tomas_> the normal guides doesnt apply here
[07:57] <RasCaL> tomas_ I haven't used IE in almost 6 years
[07:57] <tomas_> nice :)
[07:57] <tomas_> im not using it either
[07:57] <tomas_> if im not in windows :P
[07:57] <tomas_> and thats not very often :P
[07:57] <RasCaL> perhaps downloading the .exe and open with wine to see what happens?
[07:58] <mendred> tomas_: easiest would be to use crossover office they have a demo u can use for 30 days
[07:58] <tomas_> :/
[07:59] <tomas_> RasCal: you dont think that i have :p. that was funny ;)
[07:59] <mendred> tomas_: it downloads and installs ie for u too
[07:59] <tomas_> mendred: no, too much work. but i will try with something. thank you anyway
[07:59] <tomas_> it must be something free and not a demo
[07:59] <tomas_> anyway
[07:59] <tomas_> thanks
[07:59] <tomas_> bye
[08:00] <mendred> tomas_: wc :)
[08:00] <mathiasbr> someone have news about easy ubuntu and its future!?
[08:00] <mathiasbr> :)
[08:01] <constantine-xvi> anyone have problems with kscreensaver locking you out?
[08:01] <chumphries> regarding ie on wine, use this -> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/
[08:01] <chumphries> constantine-xvi: yes
[08:02] <constantine-xvi> know how to fix it?
[08:02] <RasCaL> he left chumphries but I will bookmark :P
[08:02] <chumphries> no idea
[08:02] <chumphries> okie dokie
[08:03] <RasCaL> I installed and never asked for root password
[08:03] <chumphries> ies4linux works great, just run it and ie can be installed for you
[08:03] <RasCaL> only user
[08:03] <constantine-xvi> RasCaL: that is a feature
[08:03] <RasCaL> I need Administrator Mode for Network setup and it will not open now
[08:03] <constantine-xvi> RasCaL: sudo /command/
[08:03] <chumphries> put in your password, runs via sudo.
[08:03] <mendred> chumphries:  thats awesome
[08:03] <RasCaL> for KDE Control Module??
[08:03] <RasCaL> negative
[08:04] <_mindspin> kdesu is better if firing up a gui app
[08:04] <constantine-xvi> RasCaL: yes, yours
[08:04] <chumphries>  sudo bash , then change your password
[08:04] <constantine-xvi> RasCaL: kdesu, sudo, whatever works
[08:04] <_mindspin> better/more reliable
[08:04] <munzir> Hi, I can't update using adept. I get this error any help: there was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[08:04] <RasCaL> I am telling you it loads, refreshes interfaces and I am back to the panel with no admin rights
[08:05] <RasCaL> using the only password I enetered
[08:05] <chumphries> RasCaL: interesting, never happened to me
[08:05] <RasCaL> ok :(
[08:05] <RasCaL> I will install again
[08:05] <_mindspin> It happened to me on kde 3.41
[08:05] <chumphries> munzir: maybe run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade on a root shell?
[08:06] <chumphries> ahh, i am using kde 3.5.1 on dapper
[08:06] <RasCaL> _mindspindid re-install fix it for you?
[08:06] <_mindspin> no i upgraded to 3.51
[08:06] <_mindspin> now it works but I'm on breezy
[08:07] <RasCaL> I can't upgrade with no net access :(
[08:07] <RasCaL> that is what I am trying to get on
[08:07] <RasCaL> LOL
[08:07] <_mindspin> although my resolv.conf is always overwritten
[08:07] <_mindspin> I have to edit the file every morning when I boot to get nameservice working
[08:08] <RasCaL> haha
[08:08] <_mindspin> yeah funny
[08:08] <_mindspin> it came out of a sudden
[08:08] <munzir> chumphries: apt-get works and synaptic also works but I am interested in adept. adept even fetch the updates but not install it
[08:08] <RasCaL> breezy as in edubuntu?
[08:08] <_mindspin> "didn't change anything" ;-)
[08:09] <_mindspin> breezy as in kubuntu breezy
[08:09] <RasCaL> ahh
[08:09] <RasCaL> that is the ISO am I trying it on
[08:09] <RasCaL> I must need to reinstall
[08:10] <_tijn> hi all
[08:11] <_tijn> i upgraded to dapper, but now i cant play xvid's
[08:11] <_tijn> i installed w32codecs
[08:11] <_tijn> but... nope
[08:12] <tibs01> ok
[08:12] <tibs01> my webcam freezesz
[08:12] <tibs01> my computer
[08:12] <tibs01> when i try to load it
[08:13] <tibs01> through messenger
[08:15] <_tijn> can is use seveas breezy in dapper?
[08:15] <tsukihime> !java
[08:15] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[08:22] <anarko> hi!
[08:26] <_jonathan> another weird question...I'm playing ut2004 and i have dual monitors
[08:26] <_jonathan> when it full screens it goes across both...is there a way to prevent this ?
[08:34] <anarko> alguien espaol?
[08:39] <ccc_> !es
[08:39] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:45] <crimsun> Skrot: patches sent.
[08:47] <ninHer> hi all
[08:47] <jtshaw> hey hey
[08:47] <Skrot> crimsun: good. Are you sure that's the problem or is there anything else I can do to further determine it?
[08:52] <crimsun> Skrot: I'm sure that's the problem.
[08:53] <Skrot> crimsun: Great :)
[09:07] <dedy> hi
[09:08] <dedy> i read news that dapper will be delayed till 1 of june
[09:08] <robotgeek> Al-Daja-aWay: please turn off public away
[09:09] <Al-Daja-aWay> sorry sorry
[09:10] <robotgeek> dedy: yes, you are right
[09:11] <osh_> no default player in kubuntu that plays realmedia (rm) files?
[09:11] <dedy> thanks robotgeek
[09:11] <dedy> i am using ubuntu flight 4 currently
[09:11] <dedy> did dist-upgrade last week
[09:12] <dedy> ash: install realplayer
[09:12] <dedy> how can I know the current version of my ubuntu? for example it is flight 5 now...maybe
[09:13] <dedy> osh: you need to install real player to play rm files
[09:13] <robotgeek> !w32codecs
[09:13] <ubotu> w32codecs is probably a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[09:13] <osh_> so no plugin for kaffeine or something?
[09:14] <robotgeek> osh_: ^^ that and kaffeine-xine
[09:14] <osh_> robotgeek: thx
[09:14] <anarko> hi
[09:14] <uniq> dedy: you can't flight N is just the name of the cdimage. you can find the version of your ubuntu with the command 'cat /etc/issue' in a terminal.
[09:15] <anarko> how to listen mp3 in kubuntu???
[09:15] <anarko> alguien espaol?
[09:15] <dedy> Ubuntu 6.04 "Dapper Drake" Development Branch
[09:15] <uniq> anarko: you can try #kubuntu-es
[09:16] <anarko> uniq , thanks
[09:16] <dedy> uniq: does the /etc/issue will be update once I am in final state?
[09:17] <dedy> i mean when i do dist-upgrade againt 1 of june release?
[09:17] <Coffee_Runner> any1 know why some of my wmv files will run fine...but others the audio just wont work? I have all the codecs and like...4 players...they all produce the same results
[09:19] <uniq> dedy: yes, the 'Development Branch' part will disappear.
[09:20] <JasonF> is there a desktop widgets program for kde (similar to yahoo widgets for win/mac)
[09:24] <frank23> Coffee_Runner: try the ones that don't work with mplayer
[09:25] <theine> Does anybody know how to disable auto-completion in konqueror search bar (the one that shows up when browsing the web)?
[09:27] <timas> Question.. how do I view which drivers I'm using for a device? In this particulair case, a webcam
[09:28] <robotgeek> timas: if it is usb, try lsusb
[09:29] <uniq> theine_: rightclick -> text completion (or something)..
[09:29] <Parkotron> Does anyone here use Kile, and if so do they have inverse search working?
[09:31] <timas> robotgeek, that works.. any idea on how I can see the version for those drivers?
[09:31] <robotgeek> timas: possible type dmesg | grep "name of driver"
[09:33] <timas> nope.. that just outputs a ton of stuff, but nothing matches "Logitech" or "Quickcam" hrm.. any other ideas?
[09:34] <noteventime> join #dosbox
[09:36] <noteventime> Any dosbox users in here?
[09:38] <timas> woops
[09:38] <timas> dmesg wasn't the way to go.. I'd welcome other ideas :)
[09:39] <robotgeek> timas: not sure, really.
[09:40] <timas> no worries, its for a bugpost.. I'll add that they might want to give me some instructions on how to get the info if they need more :P
[09:40] <pestilence> is it possible to have two different set of desktop settings, one for monitor 1 and another for monitor 2?
[09:42] <signalvsnoise> the information on framebuffers at tlpd.org seems very outdated... anyone know where I can find more recent docs?
[09:43] <timas> this is kind of emberacing .. but what if you forget your irc password? :P  From the golden age of chat I remembered how to register, but I must've been so far into falling asleep that I just typed something.. I can't for the life of me retrieve my password..
[09:44] <_nexus10_> Hi. I'm trying to boot a Kubuntu Breezy CD in an old (1999) AMD box with Mitsumi CDROM - it can't find a boot record. Any idea what I can try?
[09:45] <_nexus10_> It boots from a Gentoo CD no problem.
[09:45] <timas> nexus, you sure the CD's burned properly/
[09:45] <robotgeek> _nexus10_: maybe it is a problem with the cd, did you burn at low speeds?
[09:45] <_nexus10_> yup
[09:46] <_nexus10_> tested in other machines - np
[09:46] <_nexus10_> and I have 2 copies - same with both
[09:48] <timas> not really sure.. only thing I can come up with is the other machines having better drives..
[09:48] <pestilence> _nexus10_, is the gentoo cd the same brand as the ubuntu cd?
[09:48] <nalioth> timas: type /stats p and msg a staffer
[09:49] <_nexus10_> checking...
[09:50] <_nexus10_> yup - all imation, from the same batch
[09:50] <pestilence> dunno.
[09:50] <dedy> hi
[09:50] <dedy> anybody use klik in ubuntu dapper?
[09:50] <dedy> it ask for "ar"?
[09:51] <timas> thats in the base-something package
[09:51] <dedy> anyone have similar problem?
[09:51] <timas> I saw this come by on the forums.. hold on!
[09:51] <dedy> binutils?
[09:51] <nico8481> hi
[09:51] <dedy> timas: ok
[09:53] <JakubS_> omg, this adept stuff is damn slow
[09:53] <timas> dedy: try binutils yeah.. still looking but that seems to ring a bell
[09:53] <JakubS_> select 20 packages, 'request removal', gui blocked for 20s
[09:53] <dedy> timas: let me try
[09:53] <mornfall> that's a secret feature
[09:54] <mornfall> you are the first one to complain i can recall
[09:54] <mornfall> that's why it never got optimized -- noone complains => noone cares
[09:54] <dedy> timas: i am apt-getting. thanks
[09:55] <mornfall> fact is 90% processing is done n times instead of once (where n is number of packages)
[09:55] <timas> I haven't had that issue yet with adept.. its been amazingly quick for me
[09:55] <timas> np dedy :)
[09:55] <mornfall> JakubS_: see :)
[09:55] <mornfall> everyone else apparently thinks it is fast ;-)
[09:55] <mornfall> i don't believe them either
[09:57] <kokurya-kai> hallo, ich bin nicht kokurya-kai, der hat mir kubuntu nur auf den rechner getan ...    und ich kann noch nicht einmal eine avi datei unter linux ffnen
[09:57] <arrinmurr> !de
[09:57] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[09:57] <kokurya-kai> oder meinen nickname im konversation ndern
[09:57] <kokurya-kai> danke
[09:57] <mornfall> kokurya-kai: /nick <nickname>
[09:58] <mornfall> where you put what you want as nickname instead of <nickname>
[09:58] <mornfall> :-)
[09:58] <skaos> yipiiiiiiiiii
[09:59] <skaos> thx
[09:59] <nico8481> how can i check whether my usb ports support 2.0 or not ?
[10:00] <jtshaw> konvi has indentification profiles
[10:00] <jtshaw> if you change the default so it puts your desired name first.... you should be fine
[10:01] <skaos> didn't know that this was an english channel
[10:01] <skaos> sry
[10:03] <arrinmurr> skaos: i've always wondered this so i have to ask: why did you think this would be german channel? ;)
[10:05] <skaos> arrinmurr: yesterday a friend installed linux, and i can't even open avi, so i did the first thing, that appeared in my mind, go to the first linux channel you find and ask
[10:06] <skaos> and a searched for it in german so i thought the link would be german
[10:07] <Armagguedes> greetings
[10:07] <arrinmurr> skaos: ok, i've just seen a lot of people trying to ask questions in german and i've always wondered what makes them think the language in main ubuntu channels is german. that goes for a lot of other channels too though ;)
[10:08] <eugman> If my loadup screen before gdm changed to kubuntu is there any danger in removing kubuntu desktop?
[10:08] <Armagguedes> will the final dapper feature kernel 2.6.16 (or .4. or wtv)
[10:08] <Armagguedes> the very latest
[10:08] <timas> Eugman, not as far as I know
[10:08] <eugman> Any idea what will happen?
[10:08] <JakubS_> nico8481: run hal-device-manager and look for 'USB2 EHCI Controller'
[10:08] <timas> the kubuntu desktop package is just depandant on all the packets that get installed by default by Kubuntu
[10:08] <morzel> hi
[10:08] <jtshaw> Armagguedes: I'm not what I would call "in the know" but I've heard it won't be upgraded from 2.6.15
[10:09] <morzel> is there any who used graphviz?
[10:09] <JakubS_> it's good to keep it around for upgrades
[10:09] <Armagguedes> hm ok
[10:09] <timas> I think it just means your Kubuntu desktop is complete, nothing more or less..  mind you, I'm not 100% sure
[10:09] <Armagguedes> prolly anything else would be too hardcore? =)
[10:09] <Armagguedes> does .16 add anything worth mentioning?
[10:10] <eugman> Hmm a better question: Are the packages is a *-Desktop at all linked to the loadup init thingy?
[10:10] <timas> Armagguedes, on the forum they say DD is gonna stick with .15
[10:10] <eugman> er in a desktop
[10:11] <timas> Something to do with SUSE and another distro also sticking to the .15 for their enterprise releases and that the whole thing has been built on .15 so far..
[10:11] <nico8481> JakubS_: there are no such entries :( only 2 USB 1.0 controllers
[10:11] <jtshaw> You can read the changelog for 2.6.16 at www.kernel.org
[10:11] <nico8481> JakubS_: but i see stuff about usb2.0 in dmesg however (?!)
[10:11] <timas> I'm not sure what you're asking eugman.. you mean like, if I get the kubuntu-desktop, will it run KDE packages when I start KDE?
[10:11] <jtshaw> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.16
[10:12] <JakubS_> try modprobe ehci_hcd
[10:12] <eugman> Let me elaborate.
[10:12] <mornfall> wtf is simplymepis
[10:12] <eugman> I installed kubuntu desktop along side of my gnome to try it out recently
[10:12] <NeverDream> hey, guys
[10:12] <nico8481> JakubS_: worked
[10:12] <NeverDream> quick question, is there a wrapper package for qt dev libs like build-essential?
[10:13] <jehnx> NeverDream: I've been looking up your question now for 10 minutes, hehe.
[10:13] <jehnx> I can't find anything myself.
[10:13] <nico8481> JakubS_: i mean the module loaded without error
[10:13] <eugman> At some point after gdm not working because of a new video card the brown icon that says ubuntu before gdm changed to kubuntu.
[10:13] <JakubS_> nico8481: you have something like 'USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00...' in dmesg?
[10:13] <eugman> If I remove the KDE stuff will this affect the loader that is right before gdm?
[10:13] <timas> the boot splash?
[10:13] <eugman> yeah
[10:14] <timas> now there's a good question :P
[10:14] <jehnx> Even after removing kubuntu-desktop, I think the boot splash stays.
[10:14] <nico8481> JakubS_: nope
[10:14] <JakubS_> nico8481: out of luck i guess
[10:14] <NeverDream> thanks, jehnx :)
[10:14] <nico8481> JakubS_: hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
[10:14] <eugman> I don't mind if it says kubuntu for ever I just want to make sure it'll still boot properly.
[10:15] <JakubS_> nico8481: ah, it is only bus address, not anything about USB2
[10:15] <nico8481> damn yes, dumb me :)
[10:15] <nico8481> ok so i need a new comp :-)
[10:15] <jehnx> eugman: Yeah, it should start up just fine.
[10:16] <nico8481> any suggestion for a laptop that works well (as in "everything works") with (k)ubuntu ?
[10:17] <jtshaw> I hear the HP NC6000 series works great.. a fwe of my co-workers have them and use Kubuntu
[10:17] <robotgeek> !laptop
[10:17] <ubotu> somebody said laptop was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops or http://www.linux-laptop.net/ or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam, or tuxmobil.org
[10:17] <jehnx> I know this is a really n00b question, but any way I can remove packages but keep "kubuntu-desktop"?  I don't want some of the things that it came with, but removing them is going to force me to take off kubuntu-desktop as well.
[10:17] <nico8481> thx
[10:18] <nico8481> jehnx: kubuntu-desktop is  just a meta-package, everything it installed will not be removed with it
[10:18] <jehnx> Ohh, nice.
[10:18] <nico8481> (at least i think so :p)
[10:18] <jehnx> So I can just tell Synaptic "ok" and it won't kill everything.
[10:19] <nico8481> i'd say it's ok :)
[10:19] <xrusto> Can anyone, how to resolve Adept? Doesnt start.
[10:20] <dereks> resolve? eh?
[10:20] <nico8481> robotgeek: did you notice that most of the laptops listed on linux-laptop are obsolete? :)
[10:20] <jehnx> nico8481: It worked fine.  :)
[10:21] <xrusto> dereks: I dont know why Adept will not start.
[10:21] <nico8481> robotgeek: i wish i could grep these sites for "everything works" :-)
[10:22] <xrusto> and have anyone Laptop Asus A6U?
[10:22] <heinkel_111> hello :)
[10:22] <heinkel_111> i have lost my "loadspeaker" icon voluime control button in the system tray
[10:23] <heinkel_111> err. "loudspeaker"
[10:23] <dereks> xrusto: try starting from the CLI
[10:23] <heinkel_111> does anyone know how i can restart it?
[10:23] <Marrs> I have a not-everything-works-but-I-don't-care laptop ;)
[10:23] <xrusto> dereks: from CLI ?
[10:23] <dereks> xrusto: command line
[10:25] <jehnx> Anyone have any tips on how I can get my USB sound card to work?  No sound at all, and it's not seeing it in lsusb.
[10:25] <timas> xrusto, did you perhaps just install dapper ?
[10:27] <xrusto> dereks, timas: thank you. It works. :-)) I got now Dapper Kubuntu on Laptop Asus A6U.
[10:28] <tibs01> anyone know how to get my webcam working
[10:28] <tibs01> usb
[10:28] <tibs01> logitech it keeps freezing ?
[10:28] <tibs01> my messenger
[10:30] <timas> tibs01, kopete being the messenger?
[10:30] <slow-motion> re
[10:30] <xrusto> timas: dapper is great distribution. On my Laptop work many thinks. Work not only My Digital Camera Kodak CX7330, MC Card reader and Wifi.
[10:31] <timas> xrusto, dapper is indeed a great distro.. I'm using it too.. just Adept fails for me at first install.. at home, and today after installation at work too.. I have to update it from the online reposits
[10:32] <lilminime> Hi, I have a problem connecting to a pc via ssh, I think its because the pc is through a router, but the port 22 is opened, anyone knows whats the command?
[10:32] <osh_> Can anyone hear this realmedia file with kaffeine? My kaffeine just hangs.
[10:32] <osh_> http://www.sr.se/P3/diverse/AppData/popnonstop/Sounds/popnonstop2C.ram
[10:32] <xrusto> timas: from Idea from dereks I was started Adept from command Line and work.
[10:32] <osh_> I do have the xine-version installed. perhaps it's a config option.
[10:33] <xrusto> timas: now I can install WINE.
[10:34] <yuriy> mine seems to play that file but no sound
[10:34] <timas> xrusto sounds like a plan :)
[10:34] <lubo> hello, linux experts, what application I can use to connect to unternet using dial-au modem? thanks
[10:34] <lilminime> i know the command for connection using ssh to connect to a remote pc is: sudo ssh -l username <ipadress>. But i dont know the command for connecting to a pc through a router? Please help me, emergency
[10:34] <osh_> gamemank: That answer was for me? It's supposed to be radio so if there isn't any sound it's kind of pointless. ;-)
[10:35] <lubo> or better question what is the easiest way to do it?
[10:36] <gamemank> well, it doesn't hang... but no sound.. yeah pointless
[10:36] <xrusto> timas: thats right :-) Do you can anyone with Laptop Asus A6U ?
[10:36] <gamemank> but hey i think its an improvement.. i was trying to see if kaffeine works yesterday because i dont use it, and it was just crashing trying to play ANYTHING
[10:36] <lilminime> please anyone
[10:36] <osh_> gamemank: It's progress I assume. A non-hanging version is better than a hanging one. =)
[10:37] <osh_> lilminime: you don't need the ssh part and if it's a router it should just let you through. what's the real problem?
[10:37] <osh_> lilminime: sorry, the SUDO part. the ssh is essential.
[10:38] <lilminime> It cant connect, even tought the port is opened
[10:38] <timas> xrusto, nope, no-one in my surroundings uses a laptop with Linux..
[10:39] <osh_> lilminime: do a ssh -vv username@ipaddr and have a look at the output. That's debug mode. It might tell you something.
[10:39] <timas> lilminime, you sure its open? try run--- right, like osh_ said.. else, try "telnet <theIP> 22" and see if it lets you in
[10:39] <osh_> lilminime: that's two small v. not a w.
[10:40] <jehnx> How can I bind an f-key (like f4) to open an application automatically?  I know when I've got konqueror open, I can do f4 to get konsole up, but otherwise I can't (of course).  Is there an easy way to do this?
[10:40] <lilminime> osh_: That gave me this output: silje@ubuntu:~$ ssh -vv stian@84.202.98.216
[10:40] <lilminime> OpenSSH_4.1p1 Debian-7ubuntu4.1, OpenSSL 0.9.7g 11 Apr 2005
[10:40] <lilminime> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[10:40] <lilminime> debug1: Applying options for *
[10:40] <lilminime> debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
[10:40] <lilminime> debug1: Connecting to 84.202.98.216 [84.202.98.216]  port 22.
[10:40] <lilminime> debug1: connect to address 84.202.98.216 port 22: Connection refused
[10:40] <lilminime> ssh: connect to host 84.202.98.216 port 22: Connection refused
[10:41] <osh_> !pastebin
[10:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[10:41] <timas> hhrm.. are you trying to connect with a root user perhaps?
[10:41] <lilminime> yes, stian is the root user
[10:41] <osh_> lilminime: that looks like ssh isn't running on the target machine to me.
[10:41] <mornfall> it says connection refused
[10:42] <lilminime> osh_: /etc/init.d/ssh start to start it?
[10:42] <mornfall> that usually means that the other end is not listening on the specified port
[10:42] <mornfall> sshd running?
[10:42] <lilminime> how do he start it? /etc/init.d/ssh start?
[10:42] <osh_> lilminime: probably, or sshd
[10:42] <mornfall> -->
[10:42] <mornfall> laters
[10:42] <lilminime> ok, thx, ill trie that
[10:43] <osh_> lilminime: do that. good luck.
[10:44] <viktor> quit
[10:45] <mts^> is there an issue with kubuntu dapper drake and the msttcorefonts?
[10:46] <timas> are you experiencing an issue ?
[10:46] <douglas__> I havn't tried them, what are you using them for?
[10:46] <douglas__> Boobies
[10:46] <timas> ..
[10:47] <mts^> yes, I seem to have an issue
[10:47] <douglas__> mts^: What are you using them for?
[10:47] <WolfManz611> How do i get my drive icons up on the desktop?
[10:47] <timas> mts^, elaborate, please
[10:47] <timas> WolfManz, KDE or Gnome desktop?
[10:47] <mts^> nah, it was just me behaving like an ass as usual :)
[10:47] <WolfManz611> kde
[10:48] <timas> right click the desktop, click behavior, click Device Icons
[10:48] <timas> et voila, or at least, I think thats what aught to be it :)
[10:49] <tibs01> yes timas
[10:49] <tibs01> kopete being the messenger#
[10:50] <timas> I reported a bug just an hour ago about Kopete crashing when I attempt to open the 'devices' item in the configure menu..
[10:50] <WolfManz611> Timas ya i have everything there checked off and no drive icons
[10:51] <timas> hm, not sure in that case Wolf, perhaps try out the ubuntuforums and see if anyone else has/had this issue? I seem to recall it coming past before..
[10:52] <tibs01> timas
[10:52] <tibs01> erm
[10:52] <timas> yesm?
[10:52] <tibs01> how do i get to device icons
[10:52] <tibs01> in here so i can view my devices
[10:53] <timas> You need an overview of your devices?
[10:57] <tibs01> yer i want to have alook at my webcam
[10:57] <tibs01> it keeps freezing when i load it
[10:58] <timas> open a console, type lsusb
[10:58] <osh_> I get this error with the avahi-daemon. I seem to remember a fix (installing a depending packag) but can't remember which. do you guys know?
[10:58] <timas> osh_ I had an error with the avahi.. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade fixed that for me
[10:59] <osh_> timas: unfortunatly it doesn't for me. :-/
[11:00] <timas> hm, any way to view the depends of avahi-deamon for you?
[11:01] <lilminime> hmm, why doesnt the "wall" command work in ssh running kubuntu?
[11:02] <osh_> According to this bug in launchpad it's depending on libavahi-core3, but an apt-cache search only lists libavahi-core1 as downloadable for me. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/33199
[11:02] <BlackHand> times: apt-cache rdepends package
[11:03] <timas> on Dapper, I can get core4..
[11:03] <osh_> I'm on breezy still. I'm waiting for the real release before upgrading.
[11:04] <osh_> BlackHand: I'm not sure I understood that.
[11:04] <timas> did you enable the backports repository?
[11:04] <lilminime> how do i send messages through ssh?
[11:04] <timas> I think he gave the command to view the dependancies for a packet :)
[11:04] <osh_> I have.
[11:04] <lilminime> isnt it "wall" message?
[11:04] <timas> what kind of messages lilminime?
[11:04] <osh_> Ahh, right. Thanks.
[11:04] <lilminime> broadcast msgs?
[11:05] <BlackHand> times: apt-cache depends package then ?
[11:05] <Petecakes> I was trying to mount my Windows NTFS partition on boot, and I did sudo gedit /etc/fstab and Konsole returned a "gedit: command not found" error.
[11:05] <timas> osh_ not sure.. only option I can imagine at the moment is to compile the ahavi by hand then..
[11:05] <timas> Petecakes, are you using Gnome, or KDE perhaps?
[11:06] <Petecakes> KDE.
[11:06] <BlackHand> Petecakes: sudo kedit /etc/fstab ?
[11:06] <osh_> it claims to be depending on libavahi-core1 and that's installed.
[11:06] <Petecakes> I was following a guide I got linked to from here yesterday.
[11:06] <HymnToLife> rather, kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab :)
[11:06] <Petecakes> hmm, I'll go try those. Back in a sec.
[11:06] <timas> yeah, like they say.. instead of using gedit (a Gnome editor) use kate (a KDE editor, and the default for Kubuntu)
[11:07] <timas> er, but ya'll said something else as kate.. >_< I should read before I answer
[11:08] <osh_> Why not teach "vi". It's time well spent if you're going to be working in unix. Always availible and much easier than "ed". =)
[11:08] <lilminime> anyone?
[11:08] <lilminime> the wall command while useing ssh wont work?
[11:08] <canllaith> Why not let newbies use whatever they want? If you make people learn things like vi before they can do what it is they want to do they'll give up very quickly in frustration.
[11:08] <BlackHand> emacs
[11:08] <_zak> soo, what again is the command do install a .deb file?
[11:09] <timas> ed stinks.. vi is a big learning curve, kate/kwrite/gedit are nice when they are already running a GDM anyhow..
[11:09] <lilminime> dpkg -i _zac
[11:09] <canllaith> dpkg -i
[11:09] <_zak> kthx
[11:09] <BlackHand> _zak> dpkg -i package
[11:09] <canllaith> snap :)
[11:09] <BlackHand> _zak: man dpkg
[11:09] <lilminime> but anyone
[11:09] <Petecakes> HymnToLife; kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab worked. Thanks. :)
[11:09] <timas> osh_ you could try maybe re-installing/updating the whole thing that depends on the libahavi?
[11:09] <lilminime> doesnt a single soule know how to send broadcast messages?
[11:10] <timas> Sorry lilminime, I'm not -that- familair with ssh...
[11:10] <osh_> timas: yeah, who the hell needs a avahi-daemon anyway? ;-)
[11:10] <timas> thats the easy way out ;)
[11:10] <lilminime> timas: Ive always used "wall" command, b ut now it gives me this output: wall: will not read lol - use stdin.
[11:11] <dlt> hi, i have a question plz, when i boot kubuntu cd and choose install to harddrive i get "PCI: cannot allocate resource 7 and 8" and then "cannot find tty" how should i do?
[11:11] <osh_> canllaith: I was just trying to be clever.
[11:12] <osh_> timas: don't be mean to "ed". I learned OOP writing mud-code in "ed". Wasn't the simplest thing I've done. =)
[11:13] <timas> I was a sucker for "Joe" untill I was 'forced' to learn vi(m)
[11:13] <canllaith> I'd rather use emacs than anything else but I find pico/nano pretty friendly. Sadly sometimes on solaris vi is all you got though :(
[11:14] <BlackHand> the first command that you must do after the install
[11:14] <_zak> what is a .rpm?
[11:14] <BlackHand> apt-get install emacs
[11:14] <canllaith> redhat package manager file
[11:14] <_zak> ooh, so no worky on ubuntu i take it
[11:15] <osh_> canllaith: I use emacs more and more too but I find myself putting "i"s in front of a lot of words... But for quick config changes I go for vi every time.
[11:15] <canllaith> I get too frustrated with modal editors
[11:15] <canllaith> and the lack of elisp is frustrating
[11:15] <osh_> _zak: are you willing to learn how to use "alien" you can use rpm's.
[11:16] <_zak> well is there any other way to install ntfs partition reading on ubuntu than from www.linux-ntfs.org
[11:16] <osh_> _zak: ther was an "if" missing in my last sentence.
[11:16] <canllaith> *blink* it's not in the kernel ?
[11:17] <timas> well guys and gals, time for bed
[11:17] <osh_> _zak: and the first two words were swapped. but other than that the words I wrote makes perfect sense. To paraphrase Prof Farnsworth.
[11:18] <timas> work and stuff :(  have a good one!
[11:21] <dlt> can someone help me plz?
[11:21] <_mindspin> !ask
[11:22] <dlt> when i boot kubuntu cd and choose install to harddrive i get "PCI: cannot allocate resource 7 and 8" and then "cannot find tty" how should i do?
[11:22] <dlt> is there any boot command for fixing this_
[11:23] <_mindspin> what kinda keyboard do you have?
[11:23] <_zak> how do you browse HDD?
[11:23] <dlt> im on a laptop
[11:23] <dlt> im on a live cd right now
[11:23] <fit4lfe> hey is it possible to connect with vnc to krfb with out accepting the connection ?
[11:23] <_zak> like, other drives or partitions not in the / directory
[11:24] <dlt> so should i be able to install if i remake partitions?
[11:24] <dlt> ok thnx
[11:24] <_mindspin> do you have space left onyour HD _zak?
[11:24] <fit4lfe> trying to conect to my linnux box and I have a invitation for krfb but everytime I try to conncet remotly I have to accept the connection on the linux box
[11:25] <_mindspin> what is krfb?
[11:25] <_zak> I have a partition of windows, and a partition of linux, how do I browse to see the main directory that just shows the drives?
[11:25] <RS6> Hallo alle
[11:26] <_mindspin> _zak you mean the windows drive?
[11:26] <RS6> wird hier auch deutsch gesprochen ?
[11:26] <_zak> yes
[11:26] <_mindspin> !d
[11:26] <ubotu> _mindspin: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:26] <_mindspin> !ger
[11:26] <ubotu> _mindspin: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:26] <_mindspin> !de
[11:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[11:27] <_mindspin> ubotu tell _zak about ntfs
[11:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[11:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone can tell me why
[11:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> after i installed the ati propertary drivers for my ATI Radeon M9000
[11:30] <_zak> says I don't have enough permissions to access my ntfs partition
[11:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the xv suport is not offered ?
[11:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it worked perfectly before!!
[11:31] <fit4lfe> does any one use krb
[11:31] <fit4lfe> need some help
[11:31] <Blissex> _zak: you need to mount the NTFS partition with either wide permissions or with your own UID/GID
[11:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[11:31] <Blissex> _zak: look at the 'uid=', 'gid=' and 'umask=' options in the 'man 8 mount' page for NTFS, or do a Google search with those keywords for a tutorial
[11:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> does anybody have a clue?
[11:32] <Blissex> Tallia1Kubuntu: try #ATI
[11:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok .
[11:34] <_mindspin> _zak did you read the link ubotu gave you?
[11:34] <_zak> yes
[11:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !xv
[11:34] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tallia1Kubuntu
[11:34] <_mindspin> you are quick reader
[11:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !xvinfo
[11:34] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:35] <ccc_> Tallia1Kubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=68491
[11:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[11:41] <slow-motion> n8
[11:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ccc_: tnx i solved my problem
[11:43] <ccc_> np
[11:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> -vo xvidx works
[11:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i'd like to know what's that xvidx
[11:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you?
[11:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and what changes between xvidix only or vo=xvidix:radeon_vid.s
[11:45] <ccc_> Tallia1Kubuntu: check the link in post #3 in the forum thread i linked to above. that explains it
[11:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am reading now
[12:00] <signalvsnoise> if you compile your own kernel and select the subtype of your processor as K8, does that make your kernel a 64 bit kernel?
[12:01] <signalvsnoise> and will that then interfere with non 64bit drivers?