[01:58] <mgalvin> opinions needed...
[01:58] <mgalvin> i keep getting requests by various users to change the dates on the previous flight reviews to reflect the new dates
[01:59] <mgalvin> these are old docs now so i first thought to leave them alone
[01:59] <mgalvin> but it may be best to change them
[01:59] <mgalvin> do you guys think they should changed or be left as is?
[01:59] <crimsun> I think it's a good idea to point them to the announcement made by sabdfl
[02:00] <crimsun> personally, yeah, they should be amended (with the modification clearly noted)
[02:00] <Burgwork> I would change them (with it a note)
[02:00] <Burgwork> ie (Now delayed to June 1st. 2006)
[02:02] <mgalvin> ok so i will amend them with a note and link to sabdfl's announcement
[02:02] <mgalvin> thnx guys
[02:03] <joelbryan> The Ubuntu Welcome Page is using XHTML Transitional, just wondering if you would plan to make it strict?
[02:04] <joelbryan> I'm referring to the one that loads when you start firefox
[03:57] <theCore> LaserJock: hi
[03:57] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[03:57] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[03:58] <theCore> i'm a bit tired... but I'm up for working on the PG
[03:59] <LaserJock> sweet
[04:00] <theCore> LaserJock: I heard about a 2 weeks deadline for the PG 
[04:00] <theCore> is it right ?
[04:01] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:01] <LaserJock> because the Dapper schedule got pushed
[04:02] <LaserJock> theCore: that is 2 weeks beyond the old DocStringFreeze
[04:19] <LaserJock> theCore: btw, I set up a status report for each chapter and sect1 at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/status/pg-report.html
[04:21] <Madpilot> LaserJock, you did the tweaks to the status tags, right?
[04:25] <LaserJock> Madpilot: no, that was Jeff Schering
[04:25] <Madpilot> ah
[04:25] <Madpilot> it makes the status pages way, way more useful, anyway.
[04:25] <LaserJock> Madpilot: yeah
[04:25] <Madpilot> the comments are a nice touch, too
[04:25] <LaserJock> I'm interested in the info tags too he was talking about
[04:27] <LaserJock> I just wish I had less "Help Wanted" and more "Finished" ;-)
[04:59] <LaserJock> hi mdke 
[05:00] <robotgeek> hey all
[05:00] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek 
[08:53] <mdke> bhuvan, awesome stuff on the serverguide
[07:46] <blacking> hello all
[07:46] <LaserJock> hi blacking 
[07:46] <blacking> always the same problem..
[07:47] <blacking> the wiki page of ubuntu explain the procedure how install ubuntu into an usb drive, but only for x86 platform
[07:48] <LaserJock> blacking: which wiki page are you talking about?
[07:48] <blacking> i need to do this also with Apple..
[07:48] <blacking> wait
[07:51] <blacking> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromUSBStick
[07:54] <blacking> i am sure that it's possible make the same job with Apple, but i haven't too experience ..
[07:55] <LaserJock> blacking: I'm guessing that is the problem. People have to try it to write the wiki page
[07:56] <blacking> ok
[07:58] <LaserJock> so I guess the key is to make the USB stick bootable for a mac
[08:06] <LaserJock> blacking: I'm looking at some article that sugges that it isn't even possible to boot from a USB stick with a mac
[08:07] <robotgeek> it should be
[08:07] <LaserJock> Apple says they don't support it although it *might* work
[08:07] <robotgeek> blacking: all you need is to add the usb modules to your kernel, and boot from it
[08:08] <robotgeek> blacking: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811 , but with ppc modifications
[08:11] <LaserJock> robotgeek: geeze, there are 31 pages. where did you find the ppc stuff?
[08:12] <robotgeek> LaserJock: there are none, just follow the first post appropriately modifying it
[08:12] <LaserJock> robotgeek: but that is for installing onto a USB drive, right?
[08:13] <robotgeek> yes, but those are for x86. ppc has no grub
[08:13] <LaserJock> blacking: is interested in putting the .iso on a USB stick to install from
[08:13] <LaserJock> not to
[08:13] <LaserJock> I think anyway
[08:14] <robotgeek> hmm, it should be possible, macs support usb booting anyways
[08:14] <LaserJock> do they? I'm reading both yes and now
[08:14] <LaserJock> s/now/no
[08:15] <robotgeek> Command-Option-F-F on bootup, i think
[08:15] <LaserJock> robotgeek: do you have to do anything special to have it be bootable?
[08:15] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I'm just looking at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106474
[08:19] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i think that is for OS X, linux should do fine i think. i a mnot very sure, though
[08:20] <LaserJock> I'm also reading some blogs, etc. that say the firewire drive boot but USB don't
[08:20] <LaserJock> because Firewire is firmware and USB is software
[08:20] <LaserJock> but I also found http://rentzsch.com/tidbits/intelbasedMacBootIncompatibility that says that Intel macs can boot USB ;-)
[08:21] <robotgeek> heh
[08:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I have a couple small sticks here. I wonder if I should try booting some *really* small linux distro just to see if it works
[08:37] <LaserJock> robotgeek: grrr, I think I can boot off a USB stick with my Intel mac except it doesn't have a BIOS so no linux distro would work :(
[08:53] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i think you can use CMD + option + F to boot from usb
[08:53] <LaserJock> robotgeek: right, but you have to have EFI support on what you are booting :(
[08:53] <LaserJock> for Intel macs
[08:53] <robotgeek> LaserJock: hmm, okay
[08:54] <LaserJock> which is why I can't install any linux (or Windows I guess, but who would want to do that) at the moment
[09:16] <blacking> sorry laser..
[09:17] <blacking> problem with the internet
[09:24] <littlepaul> hi
[09:25] <littlepaul> littlepaul> dholbach, What is meant in flight 5 with "Graphical Power Tools" http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5 I see that just gdebi is described. Do you have a hint where I can find more information?
[09:25] <LaserJock> wb blacking 
 littlepaul: you should maybe ask the guys who wrote the page, maybe ask in #ubuntu-doc
[09:26] <littlepaul> LaserJock, could you answer my question?
[09:27] <LaserJock> littlepaul: just a sec
[09:29] <LaserJock> littlepaul: what do you want to know specifically? that is a somewhat vague question
[09:31] <littlepaul> LaserJock, I read the text about "Graphical Power Tools" and I thought to read  a description about a set of tools but there was just one tool mentioned and I want to ask if there are more details regarding this. I searched the forum, wiki but did not found nothing proper
[09:32] <LaserJock> littlepaul: I think it is a general description, not an actual program. It is just a way of listing some more advanced tools that are graphical.
[09:32] <LaserJock> but I could be wrong. I didn't write that doc
[09:33] <littlepaul> LaserJock, thx for answer;  maby I should ask mgalvin 
[09:34] <LaserJock> littlepaul: that would be the best person to ask
[09:34] <littlepaul> so ping mgalvin :)
[09:45] <mgalvin> littlepaul: pong
[09:47] <mgalvin> = Graphical Power Tools = is an intro section to the actual tools like gdebi...
[09:47] <mgalvin> there are more then just he one tool, but they gotten hidden from the gnome menu just before the flight 5 release
[09:47] <mgalvin> s/he/the/
[09:48] <LaserJock> mgalvin: but they are installed?
[09:49] <mgalvin> yes, i believe so, they are part of gnome
[09:49] <littlepaul> I appreciate this, thx
[09:50] <mgalvin> http://live.gnome.org/PowerUserTools
[09:50] <mgalvin> and
[09:50] <mgalvin> http://live.gnome.org/UnixPowerForDesktop
[09:50] <mgalvin> some things are in GNOME 2.14 some are not
[09:50] <mgalvin> littlepaul: np
[09:51] <mgalvin> also, some are available for install in universe
[09:51] <littlepaul> mgalvin, thx for this great Info
[09:51] <LaserJock> so how are you supposed to use them if they aren't in the Menu?
[09:51] <mgalvin> littlepaul: sure, no prob
[09:52] <mgalvin> hehe, thank menus revisited for that...
[09:52] <mgalvin> well...
[09:52] <mgalvin> for example gdebi is available via right click on a .deb
[09:53] <mgalvin> the others may work there way into the menus dapper+1
[09:53] <mgalvin> i would think
[09:53] <littlepaul> k
[09:54] <mgalvin> you could also just use alacarte and make them show up in the menu
[09:55] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm just really having issues with MenusRevisited :/
[09:56] <mgalvin> me too, i guess for new users it better but for us it is a bother, meh i just turn back on what i need :)
[09:57] <LaserJock> I don't think it does new users and service to hide applications from them
[09:57] <LaserJock> I think most users are curious as to what they have on their computer
[09:59] <mgalvin> LaserJock: very true
[10:02] <blacking> laser do you think possible install Hoary or Breezy B into an usb drive for ppc filesystem? 
[10:02] <LaserJock> blacking: onto a usb drive or from a usb drive?
[10:02] <blacking> sorry onto
[10:03] <LaserJock> I think so
[10:03] <LaserJock> robotgeek's suggestion of http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811 looks like it might work
[10:04] <blacking> probably laser, but i ignore the right rules..