[09:02] <robitaille> @topic
[04:30] <Spec> i'll try to be back here in ~30 minutes, i have to go somewhere though. :-/
[04:59] <YukiCuss> Ping.
[05:00] <Spec> flint: hello
[05:01] <flint> Spec, good morning from the Frozen North....
[05:01] <YukiCuss> flint, Spec, the hot down-under here?
[05:01] <Seveas> Spec, YukiCuss: good to see you around - there's at least 2 points from the agenda that can be handled
[05:01] <Seveas> I'm afraid it was too short notice for a few others
[05:01] <jsgotangco> ahh .au team
[05:02] <YukiCuss> :)
[05:03] <flint> Seveas, based upon the current situation, I would wonder who is here from Media? :^)  I am just here to get Nick Wheeler as a MOTU
[05:03] <Seveas> flint, today no one is appointed MOTU - it's all about membership
[05:03] <jsgotangco> that's TB
[05:03] <Seveas> Kamion, elmo, mako - ping
[05:03] <Seveas> 16:03 UTC here
[05:04] <Spec> flint: membership first
[05:04] <flint> Seveas, that is not what was said two weeks ago.  can you send the agenda url to the screen?
[05:04] <Seveas> wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[05:04] <YukiCuss> flint, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda ?
[05:04] <flint> Seveas, thanks.
[05:05] <Seveas> flint, you need to be a member before you can become a MOTU - for membership a cheerleading squad from the community is needed
[05:05] <flint> YukiCuss, thanks even more :^)
[05:05] <Seveas> for becoming motu you need other motus to vouch for you
[05:05] <flint> Seveas, I represent the cheerleading squad.  I am not interested in being a member of anything.
[05:06] <Seveas> flint, ok, put on your dress and start dancing around 
[05:06] <flint> I was drafted into being the first DC LOCO
[05:06] <Spec> flint's my cheerleader? dear lord...
[05:06] <jsgotangco> what happened?
[05:06] <flint> Seveas, my dancing is kinda like watching the Hindenburg land at Lakehurst NJ... 
[05:07] <Seveas> flint, that's way better than mine so go for it 
[05:07] <Seveas> anyway - the idle times of the CC members aren't promising...
[05:07] <jsgotangco> there's one
[05:07] <Seveas> hi mark!
[05:07] <sabdfl> hi folks
[05:07] <YukiCuss> sabdfl! :)
[05:07] <sabdfl> sorry to be late
[05:07] <jsgotangco> 2 mor
[05:07] <jsgotangco> e
[05:07] <Seveas> you're the first one here for a change 
[05:08] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: actually you're not late
[05:08] <flint> sabdfl, Hey Mark!
[05:08] <sabdfl> flint! long time no see
[05:08] <sabdfl> CC meting due now?
[05:08] <Seveas> yes
[05:08] <flint> sabdfl, trying to stay out of trouble... :^)
[05:08] <sabdfl> meeting, that is
[05:08] <Seveas> kamion/mako/elmo not in sight
[05:08] <sabdfl> flint: you and me both
[05:09] <jsgotangco> we seem to have low attendance today
[05:09] <sabdfl> ok, have pinged the guys, will sms kamion and elmo too, sec
[05:09] <elmo> I'm here
[05:09] <Seveas> hi elmo!
[05:10] <flint> sabdfl, if you want I can go wake up mdz :^) ...nah...
[05:10] <neuralis> i can sms mako, if need be.
[05:10] <Seveas> flint, mdz isn't on the CC ;)
[05:10] <ogra> flint, hey, youre here to work, not for your hobbies :)
[05:10] <flint> ogra, lol
[05:11] <flint> ogra, waking mdz is a religious experience!
[05:11] <highvoltage> flint: what is this about? :) wiki.ubuntu.com/gins
[05:11] <jsgotangco> gins?
[05:11] <flint> highvoltage, changed the name to wiki.ubuntu.com/gin like the drink mostly...
[05:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:12] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[05:13] <Spec> links2 doesn't support ssl :-/
[05:13] <sabdfl> vidya was asking earlier about recognition for hte Ubuntu Women's team
[05:13] <mdz> flint: you are a menace to sleep
[05:14] <sabdfl> elmo: are you happy to start without Kamion and mako, and then we can ask them to +1 / -1 member candidates based on the log and email?
[05:14] <elmo> sabdfl: sure, if you want
[05:14] <sabdfl> ok, lets do that
[05:14] <Amaranth> kamion said something about picking someone up from school
[05:14] <sabdfl> morning mdz
[05:14] <sabdfl> locoteams!
[05:14] <flint> gin is gnome instant nationalizaiton, a command line tool to change languages.
[05:14] <flint> they need it in edubuntu classrooms.... not a big deal... 
[05:14] <flint> talked to olli about it and he seemd to be ok with it.
[05:14] <sabdfl> YukiCuss: ping
[05:14] <flint> later refactor in python and hook it to a gui if you want.
[05:14] <YukiCuss> sabdfl, hello! :)
[05:14] <jsgotangco> flint: shhh
[05:14] <sabdfl> tell us about ubuntu down under
[05:15] <flint> mdz damn, good morning!!! 
[05:15] <YukiCuss> We're just starting up work, more or less, but so far it's looking very promising.
[05:15] <Seveas> gotta love random disconnects...
[05:15] <Seveas> did I miss anything?
[05:15] <Amaranth> i don't think so
[05:15] <mdz> flint: I've been up since 0600, but damn you anyway
[05:15] <YukiCuss> We've had our first meeting (just today), and we've got a roadmap organised (more or less) for how we're going to tackle various projects around here.
[05:15] <sabdfl> Seveas: just getting started
[05:15] <Seveas> thanks
[05:15] <sabdfl> YukiCuss: where's here?
[05:15] <YukiCuss> sabdfl, here is Australia. :)
[05:15] <jsgotangco> that's a big place
[05:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:15] <YukiCuss> We've got members all along the east coast so far.
[05:16] <YukiCuss> And we're hoping that we can find some more elsewhere.
[05:16] <elmo> (Kamion is on his way)
[05:16] <Seveas> YukiCuss, cool, what are you focussing on as team?
[05:16] <sabdfl> YukiCuss: nice wiki page, wide spread of members across the country
[05:16] <sabdfl> YukiCuss: are you all setup w.r.t. virtual server if you want it?
[05:16] <YukiCuss> Seveas, at the moment we're looking at the three major groups; home users, business, and school.
[05:16] <Kamion> hi, sorry I'm late, was picking the child up from school and had to run an errand in the meantime
[05:16] <YukiCuss> sabdfl, yep, we've got that pretty much organised, just letting the delay of email take its toll :)
[05:17] <sabdfl> Kamion: no worries, mate
[05:17] <sabdfl> g'day
[05:17] <sabdfl> ok, YukiCuss, are you the group leader, have you had any process to confirm that internally?
[05:17] <Kamion> sigh
[05:17] <YukiCuss> Particularly we're inspecting schools; demonstrations of how Ubuntu can be used inside a school, and also FOSS.
[05:18] <YukiCuss> sabdfl, I am the group leader, and it's been confirmed that I'm the team contact at a meeting.
[05:18] <YukiCuss> We had our first one today, it worked out well. :)
[05:18] <Seveas> YukiCuss, do you promote edubuntu too?
[05:18] <ogra> YukiCuss, you should get in contact with the edubuntu community :)
[05:18] <sabdfl> it's nice for the CC to have a primary contact for a loco team - so that's great
[05:18] <sabdfl> anything you'd like from the CC?
[05:18] <YukiCuss> Seveas, ogra, of course.
[05:19] <jsgotangco> increase the sheilas!
[05:19] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:19] <YukiCuss> sabdfl, at the moment, we're hoping that we can get some form of priority with ShipIt; we'd like to be able to get Dapper out here as quickly as we can, before the rush.
[05:19] <sabdfl> jerome, you suggesting we have sufficient sheep?
[05:19] <YukiCuss> (rush of downloads begins, that is; I think the convenience of a real CD will overwhelm them :))
[05:20] <YukiCuss> Other than that, we're going to keep self-regulating (meeting every fortnight has been agreed on and seems to be convenient), and see how we can let our projects take off.
[05:20] <sabdfl> YukiCuss: local production an distribution depends on having a company locally that can do it well at great prices, if you have nominations, the right person to ping is hmb
[05:20] <sabdfl> on freenode
[05:20] <sabdfl> hande@canonical.com
[05:20] <YukiCuss> Thanks!
[05:21] <sabdfl> YukiCuss: we've yet to find a regional company that can do it cost effectively, but would love to get it working well
[05:21] <YukiCuss> sabdfl, we've got a few people who are very interested in doing local mailouts.
[05:21] <Seveas> YukiCuss, local mailouts rock
[05:21] <sabdfl> we can probably do high priority shipment after release if you have a specific function or requirement
[05:22] <Seveas> it's quite popular here in NL too
[05:22] <sabdfl> anyway, thank you for checking in, and thanks for setting up the team
[05:22] <YukiCuss> No problems! ^^
[05:22] <YukiCuss> Thank you.
[05:22] <Seveas> YukiCuss, and sleep well ;)
[05:22] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz?
[05:22] <Seveas> not around
[05:22] <Seveas> tried to ping him to no avail
[05:22] <sabdfl> ok, let's move on
[05:23] <Seveas> members or women?
[05:23] <sabdfl> sheilas!
[05:23] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:23] <ogra> heh
[05:23] <Seveas> :) 
[05:23] <sabdfl> is svaksha here?
[05:23] <svaksha> yes , Vidya Ayer here
[05:23] <Seveas> "#ubuntu-women on Freenode - officially recognised or not."
[05:23] <sabdfl> svaksha: would you introduce Ubuntu Women, please?
[05:24] <Seveas> is there such a thing as an official channel?
[05:24] <svaksha> sure, 
[05:24] <svaksha> well I dont about the official bit ...
[05:25] <sabdfl> svaksha pinged me earlier by email
[05:25] <svaksha> Ubuntu Women is a group functioning under Ubuntu to provide a platform and encouragement for women to contribute to Ubuntu-Linux Membership is open to all.
[05:25] <sabdfl> asking about official recognition of UbuntuWomen by Canonical, and I think recognition by the CC is more important
[05:25] <svaksha> the non-official part i heard from another forums member Susana
[05:25] <svaksha> ok
[05:26] <sabdfl> svaksha: are there several different groups that are related to "women in ubuntu", or is your group the primary initiative?
[05:26] <Seveas> I realy don't like to see women as a separate group, sounds very sexist - but I'm probably missing something 
[05:27] <elmo> Seveas: you are missing something
[05:27] <jsgotangco> Seveas: we'll do ubuntu-blokes don't worry
[05:27] <elmo> Seveas: you should probably review the history of debian women
[05:27] <elmo> Seveas: that deeply flawed argument has come up before
[05:27] <sabdfl> i tihnk it's very worthwhile to have a group focused on this
[05:28] <svaksha> after I wrote to you last year , panickthumb from the forums mentiioned about this and I asked him to contact you or canonical directly 
[05:28] <Seveas> elmo, ok
[05:28] <sabdfl> as long as we never have folks suggesting that the ONLY place for women in ubuntu is that group
[05:28] <Kamion> right
[05:28] <highvoltage> i've been on the debian-women mailing list before, i've never seen so many "*hugs*" on a list before :)
[05:28] <sabdfl> are there any other comments on the idea of having a group focused on "women in ubuntu"?
[05:28] <svaksha> sabdfl, i dont know what happened after that but I noticed a URL registered in Dec and in Jan got your OK
[05:28] <ogra> highvoltage, you dont share a list with dholbach, do you ? 
[05:29] <ogra> :)
[05:29] <sabdfl> there is some concern that different groups are trying to achieve the same thing
[05:29] <highvoltage> ogra: yep :) debian-women have mor!
[05:29] <sabdfl> i would like to make sure everyone is talking together
[05:29] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: the u-w list has been pretty active (im subscribed)
[05:29] <jsgotangco> there's lots of promise
[05:29] <sabdfl> jsgotangco: me too :-)
[05:29] <jsgotangco> hah
 i've been on the debian-women mailing list before, i've never seen so many "*hugs*" on a list before <-- sounds like a list for dholbach
[05:30] <sabdfl> svaksha: can we consolidate the different domains that have been registered by different people?
[05:30] <sabdfl> and make sure everyone's working on the same initiative?
[05:30] <sabdfl> are there any reasons why that should not happen?
[05:30] <highvoltage> i think that ubuntu-women might be a good idea, not as a feminist activist group, or as a group for just women, but as a forum to discuss the general involvement of women in the project
[05:30] <svaksha> no
[05:31] <G0SUB> the issue is that there are a lot of unofficial UW sites / blogs / wikis ... we should try and get them together to avoid redundancy
[05:31] <highvoltage> and to monitor current community activities and evaluate how we can involve the other half of the world population in ubuntu
[05:31] <sabdfl> svaksha: so have you chatted with susana, and you're certain that she's happy to work with you?
[05:31] <Seveas> highvoltage, agreed, as long as it's NEVER going to be women-welcom-only or women-only-welcome-there which is what I'm a bit afraid of
[05:31] <sabdfl> Seveas: we will make certain of that, yes
[05:31] <highvoltage> Seveas: agreed, I would think that 'they' feel the same
[05:31] <svaksha> i did ask her to bring up the issue on the list 
[05:31] <ogra> Seveas, highvoltage i think thats up to the team to define itself ;)
[05:31] <Kamion> highvoltage: mentorship seems valuable too
[05:32] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:32] <jsgotangco> its been asked
[05:32] <Seveas> ogra, true that
[05:32] <svaksha> its not women only ...please read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWomen
[05:32] <sabdfl> i'm pretty certain mako would be thrilled with this :-)
[05:32] <Seveas> do I dare ask why?
[05:32] <highvoltage> ogra: also agreed, it was just my attempt to explain that a group about women in Ubuntu may add value
[05:32] <sabdfl> very nicely done wiki page, svaksha
[05:32] <Spec> How many members are on the u-w list?
[05:32] <svaksha> thanks
[05:33] <svaksha> around 70+
[05:33] <Kamion> I like how that page lists technical skills first
[05:33] <svaksha> yes but that scares away newcomers so Clytie toned it down a little
[05:33] <Seveas> the wikipage looks very nice indeed 
[05:33] <Kamion> a lot of women's-groups pages I've seen have almost seemed embarrassed at the idea that technical skills might be involved, which always seemed incongruous to me - I like what you have there
[05:34] <Kamion> oh, is that Clytie Siddall (spelling?)
[05:34] <svaksha> yep
[05:34] <Kamion> cool, encountered her sending huge piles of Vietnamese translations
[05:34] <svaksha> :)
[05:34] <flint> The Ubuntu community is very well represented by the male persuasion, yet women are a precious precious to this.  As an individual married for over a quarter-century let me give you all some advice.  They want a room, they get a room.  
[05:35] <sabdfl>  #ubuntu-women it is then ;-)
[05:35] <svaksha> thanks :)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> yay!
[05:35] <sabdfl> ok, any further comments?
[05:35] <highvoltage> :)
[05:35] <Seveas> yes, one comment
[05:35] <Seveas> Welcome!
[05:35] <ogra> :)
[05:35] <sabdfl> ditto :-)
[05:36] <svaksha> thanks to you all for the support and the CC too :)
[05:36] <Seveas> psusi, 42
[05:36] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:36] <flint> psusi, if that is all you ever worry about...
[05:36] <Seveas> ok, shall we move on to new members?
[05:36] <flint> :^)
[05:36] <sabdfl> psusi: there are greater mysteries in life
[05:36] <sabdfl> like handbags
[05:36] <sabdfl> i'm doing some research in this regard
[05:36] <azeem> psusi: AIUI, the channel is welcoming male people as well?
[05:36] <Spec> heh
[05:37] <neuralis> sabdfl: it's a dead end. give up and run away while you still can.
[05:37] <Seveas> sabdfl, they come from the bermuda triangle it seems
[05:37] <sabdfl> ok
[05:37] <Seveas> half the world can disappear into it
[05:37] <sabdfl> members!
[05:37] <Whatsisname> supposedly one guy completely figured out how women work
[05:37] <Seveas> Spec, your 3-liner please
[05:37] <Whatsisname> but he died of laughing before he could tell anyone
[05:37] <Seveas> Spec == NicholasWeeler
[05:38] <sabdfl> Whatsisname: easy, tiger
[05:38] <Spec> Hello, I'm Nicholas Wheeler, and I'm applying for membership to help with the Ubuntu cause. I'm interested in becomming a MOTU eventually.
[05:38] <Spec> Currently I'm involved in bug triaging of all sorts -- particularly interested in making the science packages, err, work.
[05:38] <Seveas> is the MOTU cheerleading squad arround to support Spec ?
[05:38] <flint> I am here to vouch for Nick.  He is a good hack.
[05:39] <flint> elkner would be here but he is busy teaching newer hacks.
[05:39] <ogra> he wrote a great Howto on the wiki for mondo/mindi use :)
[05:39] <Seveas> \o/ from me for doing bug triaging
[05:39] <Spec> I also wrote a how-to for the broadcom 43xx card
[05:39] <flint> ogra, indeed he did.
[05:39] <Seveas> we need much more bug triagers
[05:40] <flint> Seveas, i fully intend to understand Malone, I promise I will if you pass Nick.
[05:40] <flint> :^)
[05:40] <Seveas> Spec, your wikipage is not completely clear - for how long have you been contributong to Ubuntu?
[05:40] <Spec> Contributing, only a couple of months.
[05:41] <Spec> I've been using it since hoary I think.
[05:41] <psusi> hehe... 42
[05:41] <Seveas> couple of months sounds good, any MOTU to confirm that?
[05:41] <Seveas> ogra, ?
[05:42] <flint> I have not status here but I can confirm that by direct observation.
[05:42] <Seveas> flint, how is the DC loco doing, dormant or active?
[05:42] <ogra> Seveas, he is the webmaster of the DC LoCo team, when went that online ;)
[05:42] <flint> Seveas, the DC loco is represented by Kjcole who just joined.  It is VERY active.  ask him.
[05:43] <Spec> It is very active. :)
[05:43] <Seveas> nice
[05:43] <ogra> Spec, are you innvolved in the edubuntu deployment thing in DC ?
[05:43] <flint> kjcole, you need to say something glib, I know you can...
[05:43] <kjcole> Hi all.  Sorry to be late. ;-)
[05:43] <Seveas> hi Kevin - please help Spec by cheerleading 
[05:43] <Spec> ogra: yeap
[05:43] <ogra> cool !
[05:43] <kjcole> The DC LoCo's now got a few active bzr projects starting up.
[05:43] <sabdfl> Spec: how was FOSE?
[05:44] <Spec> very very successful, gave out 1300 ubuntu cds
[05:44] <spacey> thats quite a lot
[05:44] <Spec> (+1300 opensuse, but that doesn't matter)
[05:44] <Seveas> WOW
[05:44] <kjcole> Nick and I represented the LoCo at FOSE, and it was a great show.
[05:44] <Spec> We were very popular at the convention.
[05:44] <Kamion> that MondoMindi page is pretty hideously hackish; can we please get the existing packages up to scratch instead?
[05:44] <Spec> Being next to the bathrooms has it's advantages, i'll have to say...
[05:44] <Seveas> (I need some point of reference - how big is the DC area, how many people live there?)
[05:45] <sabdfl> +1 from me on Spec for membership based on advocacy and bug triage, not sure if elmo or kamion have additional questions
[05:45] <Spec> Kamion: I believe in dapper they are up to scratch, in breezy it's a lost cause.
[05:45] <kjcole> We also had the trifold Ubuntu brochures that I picked up at UBZ and handed those out as well.
[05:45] <Kamion> ah, I see that in the wiki page now, although it's kind of brief and easy to skip over, maybe a bit more text is called for so that people don't go to more work than necessary
[05:45] <Kamion> fair enough
[05:45] <kjcole> (Unfortunately, I didn't have quite as many of those brochures.  And I now wish I'd had bumper stickers as well.)
[05:46] <elmo> yeah, kamion++, that wiki page is making me cry
[05:46] <flint> Kamion, I am responsible for the hackishness of these pages, not nick.
[05:46] <jsgotangco> kjcole: wink and you shall receive (hopefully)
[05:46] <Spec> I'll edit flint's work to make it prettier :)
[05:46] <elmo> if the "Not needed for >= Dapper" bit at the top could be highlighted, that owuld be good
[05:46] <elmo> but in any event ack from me
[05:46] <Kamion> other than that, no questions, the other work seems good, and I probably need to have a look over the bcm43xx page myself ...
[05:46] <kjcole> jsgotangco, Yeah.  My fault.  I should have thought about those sooner.
[05:47] <Kamion> so +1 from me
[05:47] <Spec> Kamion: It's pretty good, but there's lots of guess-work to get it working still. I think that's the driver's fault.
[05:47] <sabdfl> so +1 from Kamion?
[05:47] <sabdfl> done
[05:47] <sabdfl> welcome aboard
[05:47] <Seveas> ok, congratz Spec !
[05:47] <ogra> Spec, welcome :)
[05:47] <Spec> thank you :)
[05:47] <flint> thank you all.
[05:47] <sabdfl> i'll approve it in LP
[05:47] <Spec> I have to thank my cheerleaders, as well :)
[05:47] <Kamion> Seveas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_DC
[05:47] <kjcole> jelkner, you're just in time to congratulate Spec... ;-)
[05:47] <jelkner> congratulations!
[05:47] <sabdfl> hey jeff
[05:48] <jelkner> the DC LoCo needed a MOTU
[05:48] <sabdfl> victor!
[05:48] <jelkner> sabdfl: hi
[05:48] <sabdfl> bstqc_ostl around?
[05:48] <jelkner> yeah DC LoCo Team!
[05:48] <Seveas> probably not
[05:48] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: i think you met this guy
[05:49] <sabdfl> i've met victor in beijing, would be lovely to have him as a member but i don't think the TZ works for this meeting
[05:49] <Seveas> I spoke to him earlier, sounds like a good candidate
[05:49] <Spec> (So how do I get a ubuntu/memeber cloak? :p)
[05:49] <sabdfl> yes, very much so
[05:49] <sabdfl> but lets get him on board later
[05:49] <Seveas> Spec, poke me in a /msg so I don't forget to do that
[05:49] <jsgotangco> i can vouch for him too
[05:49] <ogra> ah, cool, he's the guy who sends the pdf testreports to -devel :)
[05:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:50] <dholbach> yes, I'd like to see him as a member too
[05:50] <Seveas> BlueT_, (Matthew Lien) is around it seems
[05:50] <sabdfl> BlueT_: ping
[05:50] <dholbach> I communicated with him for the test plans and he has great ideas and put incredible work into testing hoary and breezy
[05:51] <kjcole> BTW, since I arrived a little late, if it hadn't already been mentioned FOSE is in it's 30th year, as the largest US federal government computer convention...
[05:51] <Seveas> BlueT_, is not around I guess
[05:51] <Seveas> and neither is Kuyaedz
[05:52] <sabdfl> kjcole: do you think it';s a conference that should be on silbs' list?
[05:52] <Seveas> that only leaves the topic of the next meeting. I think we should set a time right now
[05:52] <sabdfl> ok, I will update the wiki page for the meeting
[05:52] <sabdfl> when last did we do a UTC-morning meeting?
[05:52] <sabdfl> for the AsiaPac characters?
[05:52] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, right on time!
[05:52] <sabdfl> ah, welcome Kuyaedz
[05:53] <Seveas> sabdfl, I think it would be nice to have an early morning meeting
[05:53] <Kuyaedz> Just got out of class :)  ..glad someone came looking for me, I didn't know when this was.
[05:53] <jelkner> ok if i steal Spec so i can get some work outta him?
[05:53] <sabdfl> Seveas: define early
[05:53] <kjcole> sabdfl, I'll check.  (I'm not familiar with what's type of stuff's already there, though I think I stumbled across that list before...)
[05:53] <sabdfl> jelkner: all yours
[05:53] <jelkner> now that his head is all swelled and all
[05:53] <Seveas> sabdfl, after Kuyaedz' topics have been handled 
[05:53] <Spec> thank you all :p
[05:53] <jelkner> cya all later
[05:53] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, please introduce Ubuntu-Utah to us
[05:54] <sabdfl> cheers spec, jelkner
[05:54] <Kuyaedz> Ubuntu-Utah is a loco team I started a few months ago.  We've steadily been growing but are still relatively small.
[05:55] <Seveas> how many members?
[05:55] <Kuyaedz> 11 members registered on the launchpad page, but I know of ~4-5 more that aren't 'official' yet.
[05:55] <Seveas> around 10 - not too bad
[05:56] <Kuyaedz> We've got members at 3 Utah Universities, which I think is helpful.
[05:56] <Seveas> not bad, 10 active members is good for a starting team
[05:56] <Kuyaedz> We've set a goal to double that by Dapper release.
[05:57] <Seveas> What is the team doing to promote Ubuntu besides handing out CD's?
[05:57] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: how active are you in the forums?
[05:58] <Kuyaedz> Well the CD distribution and team recruitment are the short-term goals that we're currently working on.  In the long term we would like to present school districts with Ubuntu/Edubuntu.
[05:58] <Kuyaedz> sadbfl: I have roughly 750 forum posts.
[05:58] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, nice
[05:59] <ogra> yeah !
[05:59] <Seveas> I'm quite happy with how the Utah team is forming the way I see now
[05:59] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: have you seen the proposals about a forums council?
[05:59] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, is there a specifi reason to use ubuntu-utah.org instead of ut.ubuntu-us.org?
[05:59] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: I'm glad to hear that.  I have the day off today & was hoping to get more team-related work done.
[05:59] <Kuyaedz> sadbfl: I have not.
[06:00] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: There is not.  I did not know who to contact concerning an official team site so I registered one.  Also we have requested an official mailing list 3x with no responses.
[06:00] <Kamion> Kuyaedz: was that request to jdub?
[06:00] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, I was going to ask what you would like to see from the CC, but that's clear now 
[06:01] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: np, i appreciate your initiative in going ahead
[06:01] <G0SUB> IMHO the mailing list creation is a bit of a bottleneck as jdub is a very busy guy
[06:01] <sabdfl> G0SUB: would it help if we put mailing lists into LP?
[06:01] <Kuyaedz> We've been using a google-groups system for the time being.
[06:01] <Seveas> Who is the contact for *.ubuntu-us.org, smurf or someone else?
[06:01] <G0SUB> sabdfl: yes it will
[06:01] <sabdfl> G0SUB: i think you mean "yes it might" ;-)
[06:01] <Seveas> sabdfl, or simply give jdub an assistant
[06:01] <G0SUB> sabdfl: heh ...
[06:02] <G0SUB> Seveas: ++
[06:02] <sabdfl> but, we've been looking at that here this week
[06:02] <sabdfl> we can do it, it will just take a little while
[06:02] <G0SUB> sabdfl: what about giving jdub an assistant?
[06:02] <G0SUB> I can help with this
[06:02] <jsgotangco> fridge jr
[06:02] <Kuyaedz> Concerning the mailing list I contacted MathiasUlrich & also sent an email to Jeff Waugh.
[06:02] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:02] <sabdfl> G0SUB: offer to help, i'm sure he will accept
[06:03] <G0SUB> sabdfl: should I mail him directly?
[06:03] <Seveas> G0SUB, put my name in that mail to - I want to help there if possible
[06:03] <G0SUB> sabdfl: fine, I will CC you 
[06:03] <G0SUB> thanks :)
[06:04] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: I was wondering if it would be possible to get a layout template so our team site could nearly match the look/feel of the central.
[06:04] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: i think that's all public
[06:04] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, as you can see the organizational things are sometimes problematic - but it'll be solved soon I guess. I will keep poking jdub/g0sub and smurf about it
[06:05] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: thank you
[06:05] <Amaranth> when did launchpad turn into sourceforge?
[06:05] <G0SUB> oh, one more thing ... can we put up the moinmoin, drupal themes used in u.c & fridge somewhere?
[06:05] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, I have a PHP based template for ubuntulinux.nl - you might want to look at that after the meeting, but poke me after the meeting for that
[06:05] <G0SUB> so that people can reuse them?
[06:05] <sabdfl> Amaranth: when some of us had a spare weekend
[06:05] <Amaranth> sabdfl: hehe
[06:05] <G0SUB> haha
[06:05] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: will do
[06:05] <sabdfl> ok
[06:05] <ogra> Amaranth, pfft, sourceforge is sooo last century
[06:05] <Amaranth> seriously, about the only thing missing is bzr write
[06:05] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: thanks for your work on Utah
[06:05] <jsgotangco> sometimes its like friendster
[06:05] <sabdfl> what about your membership?
[06:05] <Seveas> Amaranth, supermirror 
[06:05] <sabdfl> Amaranth: it's coming
[06:05] <Kuyaedz> sadbfl: happy to do it. I just wish we had more time/resources :)
[06:06] <sabdfl> fairly soon, as it happens
[06:06] <Amaranth> cool
[06:06] <Amaranth> then i can use launchpad for alacarte instead of gnome cvs (eww)
[06:06] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, lack of time is a global problem ;)
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[06:06] <G0SUB> [repeat]  can we put up the moinmoin, drupal themes used in u.c & fridge somewhere?
[06:06] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, habe you collected a cheerleeding swuad to support your membership application?
[06:07] <sabdfl> G0SUB: speak with henrik, they are already public somewhere
[06:07] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: membership?
[06:07] <G0SUB> sabdfl: ok, thanks
[06:07] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: Well I was going to see what members of the team could come along, but even I didn't have much notice on the meeting :)
[06:07] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, true. it was very short notice
[06:07] <Kuyaedz> sabdfl: What can I tell you about membership?  Is there more I can do?
[06:08] <sabdfl> your wiki page is excellent
[06:08] <sabdfl> very happy to see the laptop testing info
[06:09] <Kuyaedz> sabdfl: I was hoping to update a few of those with Dapper results before the meeting..
[06:09] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me on membership and loco leadership, kamion and elmo may have more questions
[06:09] <elmo> +1
[06:09] <Kuyaedz> sabdfl: thank you.
[06:10] <Seveas> \o/ from me, wikipage looks good, active since october and doing great things in Utah
[06:10] <Kuyaedz> elmo: again, thank you.
[06:10] <sabdfl> +1 on the elmo-statue from you, Kuyaedz?
[06:10] <G0SUB> Kuyaedz: awesome! that's great :)
[06:10] <Seveas> sabdfl, yes, we need an elmo statue 
[06:11] <G0SUB> sabdfl: heh, I already spoke about it in the last meet
[06:11] <G0SUB> wrt the statue
[06:11] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: have you applied for membership in ubuntumembers in LP?
[06:11] <Kuyaedz> sabdfl: I did
[06:12] <Kuyaedz> If there is anything else you'd like to see me do, or the team, don't hesitate to ask.
[06:12] <sabdfl> Kuyaedz: i don't see you in the list
[06:12] <sabdfl> what's your LP nick? display name?
[06:12] <sabdfl> or real name?
[06:12] <Kuyaedz> sabdfl: kuyaedz or christer-edwards
[06:12] <Seveas> kuyaedz
[06:12] <Seveas> I see him in the list
[06:13] <sabdfl> ok, it would be nice to put your proper name in the LP account
[06:13] <Kamion> ok, sorry I've been discussing things elsewhere, +1 from me
[06:13] <sabdfl> done
[06:13] <sabdfl> welcome!
[06:13] <Seveas> Kamion, great
[06:13] <Kuyaedz> thank you.
[06:13] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, welcome aboard!
[06:13] <Kamion> Kuyaedz: and thanks for the JigdoDownloadHowto page, I've been meaning to write something like that for a while
[06:13] <Kuyaedz> I'm very excited. thank you.
[06:13] <sabdfl> good work!
[06:13] <G0SUB> Kuyaedz: welcome!
[06:13] <dholbach> congratulations Kuyaedz
[06:13] <jsgotangco> congrats
[06:14] <highvoltage> congrats, Kuyaedz 
[06:14] <ogra> congrats Kuyaedz 
[06:14] <Seveas> sabdfl, about the meeting time, given that the CC is in the UK largely 8/9AM UTC-ish?
[06:14] <sabdfl> Kamion: what's the drill on the meeting agenda page, should i delete the folks approved in the last meeting, make a note of those approved here, and delete those who did not show up?
[06:14] <Kamion> sabdfl: yes, yes, no make a note of those who didn't show up
[06:14] <sabdfl> Seveas: i'd prefer 10am, and excuse elmo :-)
[06:14] <Seveas> sabdfl, usually I take care of the editing ;)
[06:14] <Kuyaedz> I'm glad I made it in time.  The councilagenda page said "TBA".  I was just hoping someone would contact me
[06:14] <G0SUB> yay! jdub
[06:14] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, I tried
[06:15] <Kamion> can we get mako at 10am UK time?
[06:15] <elmo> (fwiw, I can get up, if I need to)
[06:15] <Kamion> ok, if we've got elmo then it doesn't matter
[06:15] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: atoponce mentioned in #ubuntu-utah. Thanks for coming to find me.
[06:15] <YukiCuss> Kuyaedz, I barely managed. :)
[06:15] <Seveas> 10am is ~4am mako-time iirc
[06:15] <Seveas> sounds like a bad idea
[06:15] <Kuyaedz> Is there anything immediate that everyone would like to see done with the Utah Team?
[06:15] <Seveas> (for him, that is)
[06:16] <Kamion> jdub: did you see the stuff above about mailing list creation?
[06:16] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, yes, one thing
[06:16] <Seveas> Keep rocking!
[06:16] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: I will find you later concerning the template.  Also should we migrate to ut.ubuntu-us.org?
[06:17] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, you don't "have to" but it would be nice
[06:17] <Seveas> (which reminds me, I should still migrate to ubuntu-nl.org)
[06:17] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: Should I also speak with you later about that & access?
[06:17] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, yes, preferably in an hour or two (dinner time)
[06:17] <jdub> Kamion: no - but elmo's sorting out the RT queue for them, which will make it *vastly* easier to manage.
[06:18] <Seveas> Kamion, sabdfl, elmo: so tue april4 10am UTC? 
[06:18] <Kamion> works for me
[06:18] <Seveas> it'll be DST then
[06:18] <jdub> Kamion: there's two pending atm, utah and ebuntu
[06:18] <G0SUB> jdub: can I be your assistant in setting up the mailing lists?
[06:18] <Kamion> slightly better than today actually, sorry for setting a meeting time and then being late for it :)
[06:18] <sabdfl> errr... actually i might be on a flight to a conference
[06:19] <Seveas> sabdfl, hmm, move the meeting to monday? 
[06:19] <neuralis> Seveas: that'll be 5am EST, so no dice if you're trying to get mako.
[06:19] <Kuyaedz> Seveas: will do.
[06:19] <jdub> G0SUB: it requires access to the server and so on - there's not a lot of work involved, and it ends up being more policy than anything else
[06:19] <sabdfl> no, sec, i'm just trying to find out
[06:19] <Seveas> ok
[06:19] <G0SUB> jdub: sabdfl told that you might be in need of some help wrt this
[06:19] <G0SUB> ok
[06:19] <Seveas> (fiancee is pulling on my ears to get me to the dinner table - I may disappear suddenly)
[06:20] <sabdfl> monday is clearer for me, elmo, are you still on EST?
[06:20] <Kuyaedz> Ok well I'll get ahold of Seveas later.  Is there anything else I'm needed for?
[06:20] <elmo> sabdfl: yes, but I can shift without problems
[06:20] <Seveas> Kuyaedz, no, we're done here
[06:21] <Seveas> sabdfl, ok, monday april 3 it is then
[06:21] <Kuyaedz> thank you again.
[06:21] <sabdfl> 9am?
[06:21] <elmo> G0SUB: we're redirecting the list admin stuff to RT, which means there'll be 2 more people helping with lists stuff
[06:21] <Seveas> if 9am is ok with Kamion and elmo 
[06:21] <G0SUB> elmo: that'd be great then
[06:22] <Kamion> 9am's doable as long as Kirsten is well again by then to take Benedict to school
[06:22] <Kamion> which should be the case
[06:22] <Seveas> ok, elmo?
[06:22] <elmo> yes
[06:22] <Seveas> cool Apr 3, 09:00 UTC it is
[06:23] <jsgotangco> nice
[06:23] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep too
[06:23] <jsgotangco> good meeting
[06:23] <G0SUB> jsgotangco: good night :)
[06:23] <Kamion> ok, thanks all, guess that's adjourned
[06:24] <kjcole> Good night to those of you half a world away... (Noon'ish here.)
[06:24] <highvoltage> night kjcole 
[06:25] <sabdfl> night all
[06:25] <svaksha>  g'night all
[06:25] <Amaranth> kjcole: central time?
[06:25] <Surak> perhaps the channel topic may reflect this change.
[06:25] <Amaranth> good night to those of you in odd time zones :P
[06:25] <G0SUB> Amaranth: hehe lol
[06:25] <kjcole> Amaranth: Eastern.  Actually 12:25 PM.
[06:26] <Mizar> bye
[06:28] <flint> kjcole, will call and bother you... sksk
[06:29] <kjcole> Ta-ta, all.
[07:03] <Seveas> @load webcal
[07:04] <Seveas> @topic
[10:02] <Fujitsu> Did the CC meeting end up happening 5 hours ago?
[10:03] <Seveas> yes
[10:03] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:03] <Fujitsu> How'd it go?
[10:04] <Seveas> it went all right 
[10:04] <Fujitsu> Good.