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| Lathiat | do we still need to fakesync stuff from debian? | 12:25 |
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| LaserJock | I believe so, but I'm not sure | 12:26 |
| Lathiat | well, i guess it cant hurt | 12:26 |
| Erlang | a fake sabdf posted on debian-devel | 12:29 |
| na7e | ha | 12:29 |
| Lathiat | haha | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | it wasn't a very good fake even ;-) | 12:29 |
| === Lathiat looks | ||
| na7e | maybe you guys can help, it's rather silly, how can you check programmatically if dpkg is locked by another process? | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | whats the thread? | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | see /var/lib/dpkg | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | probabgly a file or something | 12:30 |
| na7e | kk | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | /var/lib/dpkg/lock | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | ? :) | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | whats the details of that email to d-d ? | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | i cant see it | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | unless its really recent and the archives havent picked up yet | 12:31 |
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| LaserJock | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00894.html | 12:31 |
| mgalvin | in case anyone has time, i opened and uploaded a patch for Bug #35773 | 12:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35773 in awstats "awstats_configure.pl fails" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35773 | 12:32 |
| Lathiat | so | 12:32 |
| Lathiat | that is just... crap | 12:32 |
| Lathiat | i could make up a better fake in my sleep | 12:33 |
| Lathiat | even spelt th ename wrong lol | 12:34 |
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| LaserJock | hi bmonty | 12:35 |
| bmonty | hey LaserJock | 12:35 |
| slomo_ | LaserJock: ping? | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | slomo_: yeah, saw it | 01:07 |
| slomo_ | LaserJock: ok ;) | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | slomo_: so am I supposed to upload it? | 01:07 |
| slomo_ | LaserJock: yes... do a fakesync or do required changes and upload then :) | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | slomo_: k, cool | 01:08 |
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| tseng | whiprush: hahahahaha | 01:20 |
| tseng | whiprush: you got me. | 01:20 |
| whiprush | tseng: I was looking for you before I put that up. | 01:20 |
| whiprush | oops, better resize for planet | 01:21 |
| tseng | haha | 01:21 |
| whiprush | that's just rude | 01:21 |
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| nictuku | I've just uploaded a package to revu | 01:40 |
| nictuku | python-sysinfo is required for the upcoming nwu-agent | 01:40 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 02:24 |
| nictuku | I've read in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU that I could use dput -f to force upload of an already uploaded file | 02:25 |
| nictuku | It's not working, though | 02:25 |
| nictuku | should I change the package version? | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: what do you mean, it doesn't work? | 02:29 |
| nictuku | 553 Could not create file. | 02:30 |
| nictuku | dput -f doesn't work | 02:30 |
| nictuku | I mean, not as *I* expected | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | more info, if possible..? | 02:30 |
| nictuku | sure | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | what did you try & upload, and what did you type? | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | hm, a binary upload | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | don't do that :) | 02:30 |
| nictuku | I've uploaded pycacic_0.3-1 with dput pycacic_0.3-1_i386.changes | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | please build a source package & upload that | 02:31 |
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| nictuku | Later I changed debian/control | 02:31 |
| nictuku | oh I see | 02:31 |
| nictuku | sorry | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | & you'll also want to build it as a non-native package | 02:31 |
| nictuku | I tried so. heh | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | so you should upload pycacic_0.3-1_source.changes | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | you have pycacic_0.3.orig.tar.gz ? | 02:32 |
| nictuku | no, but the directory is "pycacic-0.3" | 02:33 |
| nictuku | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa, seems to be working | 02:33 |
| ajmitch | you must have pycacic_0.3.orig.tar.gz | 02:33 |
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| ajmitch | almost always it's a rename of the original tarball | 02:33 |
| nictuku | ok now I do | 02:35 |
| nictuku | the .orig.tar.gz has debian/*, is that a problem? | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | yes | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | did you create this tarball yourself? | 02:36 |
| nictuku | it's upstream | 02:36 |
| nictuku | yes, I am upstream | 02:36 |
| MarioMeyer | we are both upstream and packaging, ajmitch | 02:36 |
| nictuku | MarioMeyer, I'm not packaging nwu right now, though | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | it's still a good idea to separate packaging from upstream work | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | I imagine that the coulud be useful for other distributions, or derivatives | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | and you don't want to make a full release just for a packaging change :) | 02:37 |
| nictuku | hmm | 02:37 |
| nictuku | how do you think I should organize that in the subversion rep? | 02:38 |
| nictuku | currently it's all in trunk/ and tags/, with debian/ being part of the upstream distro package | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | separate repositories, or separate branches? | 02:38 |
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| === ajmitch needs to shut down & do a reinstall on new drives :) | ||
| ajmitch | time to go to RAID | 02:45 |
| nictuku | good luck =] | 02:45 |
| chillywilly | fun | 02:46 |
| chillywilly | how big is your RAID? | 02:46 |
| ajmitch | I've got 3 250GB SATA drives | 02:47 |
| chillywilly | nice | 02:49 |
| chillywilly | ~500GB if you go with RAID 5 | 02:50 |
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| ajmitch | or I could risk it all & go for RAID 0 | 02:52 |
| Erlang | 750gb, that's a lot for a personnal computer! | 02:53 |
| tseng | ajmitch: raid 5? | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | tseng: hm? | 02:53 |
| tseng | raid 5.. | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | what about it? | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | I haven't decided which way I'll set it up | 02:53 |
| tseng | twtwo disks dstripe | 02:54 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: this is going to eb software RAID? | 02:54 |
| chillywilly | be* | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: of course | 02:54 |
| tseng | ugh | 02:54 |
| tseng | two disks stripe, one "mirrors" | 02:54 |
| === chillywilly can't afford a RAID controller right now either | ||
| chillywilly | :) | 02:54 |
| === Erlang users backups. | ||
| Erlang | uses... | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | backing up 750GB takes a little while | 02:56 |
| chillywilly | heh :) | 02:56 |
| ajmitch | and I mainly want a large, fast space for building stuff | 02:56 |
| tseng | rdiff-backup rocks | 02:56 |
| ajmitch | which can be thrown away | 02:56 |
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| azeem | ajmitch: 750GB? Are you building OpenOffic? | 02:57 |
| Erlang | rdiff-backup, never looked at that. | 02:57 |
| chillywilly | c/dev/sdb1 699G 124G 575G 18% /mnt/raid | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | azeem: nah, though I might try for all of universe one week :) | 02:58 |
| chillywilly | psycho ;) | 02:58 |
| azeem | you could remove built packages again | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | sure | 02:58 |
| Erlang | oh, rdiff backup seems nice. I'm using rsync. | 02:58 |
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| bddebian | Hey gang | 02:59 |
| crimsun | it's bddebianIsGod! | 02:59 |
| chillywilly | I have an rdiff-backup job run every night then sync it over with rsync for my backup mirror | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 02:59 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch, chillywilly and crimsun | 02:59 |
| bddebian | crimsun: You mock me again | 02:59 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: sup? | 02:59 |
| bddebian | Nada man, you? | 02:59 |
| crimsun | bddebian: bah | 02:59 |
| chillywilly | about to go pickup my son from the cub scout meeting thing... | 03:00 |
| bddebian | Ah | 03:00 |
| Lathiat | "thing" ;p | 03:00 |
| chillywilly | I've been beating this nasty perl into shape | 03:00 |
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| chillywilly | *thwap* *thwap* *thwap* | 03:00 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: You're re-writing it in Python? ;-P | 03:01 |
| chillywilly | I wish... | 03:02 |
| chillywilly | brb | 03:03 |
| Erlang | There is one stupid guy on d.devel right now -_- | 03:06 |
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| ajmitch | Erlang: only one? :) | 03:08 |
| bddebian | Well I'm there so I guess that's two :-) | 03:09 |
| Erlang | Well, this one is stupidER. | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | certainly | 03:09 |
| azeem | you mean the mailing list, I assume | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | azeem: yes | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | someone pretending to be sabdfl | 03:10 |
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| Erlang | He just sent a lengthy message complaining about Debian... | 03:10 |
| Erlang | and its lack of leadership. | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | s/message/rant/ | 03:11 |
| Erlang | yes. | 03:12 |
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| marcin` | hello MOTUs | 03:18 |
| marcin` | short question - what happened with Flash plugin for mozilla? why it's removed from dapper repository? | 03:18 |
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| bmonty | marcin`: are you refering to flashplugin-nonfree? | 03:22 |
| crimsun | marcin`: 1) it was illegally distributed; 2) it was outdated; 3) flashplugin-nonfree is the way to go | 03:23 |
| crimsun | marcin`: I asked for it to be removed, and it was for those reasons. | 03:24 |
| nictuku | nonfree is the way to go? | 03:24 |
| crimsun | flashplugin-nonfree as opposed to the obsoleted flashplayer-mozilla, yes | 03:24 |
| crimsun | note that flashplayer-mozilla breaks the license completely, as we're not allowed to distribute that binary | 03:25 |
| nictuku | you mean flashplayer-mozilla is the way to go, right? | 03:25 |
| marcin` | bmonty: not - to flashplugin-mozilla | 03:25 |
| nictuku | oh | 03:25 |
| crimsun | no, I very much mean flashplugin-nonfree is the way to go. | 03:25 |
| marcin` | crimsun: well ok - but the thing is that now my flash plugin doesn;t work | 03:26 |
| marcin` | crimsun: I'll try to reinstall flashplayer-nonfree | 03:26 |
| crimsun | marcin`: please check the dependencies, and file a bug. | 03:26 |
| marcin` | /s/flashplayer/flashplugin | 03:26 |
| marcin` | crimsun: now it's not about dependencies | 03:27 |
| marcin` | crimsun: if it doesn't work after I removed flashplugin-mozilla | 03:27 |
| bmonty | crimsun: why do we have multiple flash players anyway? shouldn't it the shockwave player and the GNU one when it is more mature? | 03:27 |
| crimsun | flashplugin-mozilla? | 03:27 |
| marcin` | crimsun: than it means that it's not configured | 03:27 |
| crimsun | what is this flashplugin-mozilla? | 03:28 |
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| marcin` | crimsun: sorry - it was flashplayer... | 03:31 |
| crimsun | marcin`: ok, so are you saying that because you removed flashplayer-mozilla and installed flashplugin-nonfree, Flash applets don't play? | 03:31 |
| marcin` | crimsun: yes | 03:32 |
| crimsun | marcin`: which browser? | 03:32 |
| marcin` | crimsun: now I reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree and it doesn't work with ffox and epiphany | 03:32 |
| crimsun | marcin`: do you have a test case? | 03:33 |
| marcin` | ? | 03:34 |
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| bmonty | marcin`: did you run update-flashplugin? | 03:34 |
| crimsun | marcin`: an example Web site containing a Flash applet that fails to work? | 03:34 |
| marcin` | crimsun: sure - and about:plugins | 03:34 |
| crimsun | did you execute what bmonty mentioned? | 03:35 |
| marcin` | bmonty: thanks | 03:35 |
| bmonty | with a "sudo" of course :) | 03:35 |
| marcin` | crimsun: yes it helped | 03:35 |
| crimsun | excellent. | 03:36 |
| marcin` | you really should add info about this in package description | 03:36 |
| marcin` | or add this to postinst script... | 03:37 |
| nictuku | should I show someone else my package before sending to revu? It's a python library, required for nwu (my implementation of the NetworkWideUpdates spec) | 03:37 |
| marcin` | another thing is that these ^&*^&*& 'nice guys' from Macromedia could create Flash 8 plugin for Linux | 03:38 |
| nictuku | I don't want to waste reviewers time with maybe a crappy package | 03:38 |
| whiprush | nictuku: are you the guy doing NWU? | 03:38 |
| nictuku | whiprush, yes | 03:38 |
| whiprush | that's awesome. | 03:38 |
| nictuku | :-) | 03:39 |
| nictuku | we're looking for volunteer testers | 03:39 |
| crimsun | bmonty: need to modify postinst so that a fresh install will invoke update-flashplugin | 03:39 |
| whiprush | nictuku: I have it pulled from your repo but have had no time. | 03:39 |
| crimsun | bmonty: currently it fails to do so, which explains marcin`'s symptoms | 03:39 |
| bmonty | crimsun: yup, I can work on that over the next couple days | 03:39 |
| crimsun | bmonty: great, thanks. | 03:39 |
| nictuku | whiprush, statistics say you probably got a buggy version :-) | 03:39 |
| whiprush | er, I meant nictuku | 03:39 |
| whiprush | I look forward to playing with it. | 03:40 |
| whiprush | debian/ubuntu has needed a free-RHN type thing for a while | 03:41 |
| nictuku | nice, please let me and MarioMeyer - which is also in the development team - know how did it work for you | 03:41 |
| whiprush | when I get to playing with it I will file bugs | 03:41 |
| whiprush | iirc you guys had trac setup and all that already | 03:42 |
| bmonty | crimsun: the package actually already has a postinst to download the plugin...odd | 03:42 |
| crimsun | bmonty: right, but it seems to fail | 03:42 |
| nictuku | yes https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu | 03:42 |
| nictuku | python-sysinfo is a requirment, though, and I'm trying to make it go to universe first | 03:42 |
| crimsun | (chasing more ALSA boogs atm, or I'd file a bug) | 03:43 |
| nictuku | then I'll try to push nwu-agent and nwu-server | 03:43 |
| bmonty | crimsun: I think there is already a bug open for this | 03:43 |
| crimsun | k | 03:43 |
| nictuku | then, if reviewers "ok" the packages, I'll write an ITP bug in debian and ask for inclusion in ubuntu's main | 03:43 |
| marcin` | crimsun, bmonty: thanks for help | 03:44 |
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| bmonty | hey LaserJock | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | hi bmonty | 03:50 |
| crimsun | ok, let's work on this python package | 03:51 |
| bmonty | what is the default debconf priority? | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I got a UVF exception done! | 03:51 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: hooray! | 03:51 |
| crimsun | nictuku: url to upid on revu? | 03:51 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: you have now officially surpased bddebian :) | 03:52 |
| nictuku | I did not upload it to revu yet.. I'm afraid it's too buggy to even be in revu :-P | 03:52 |
| crimsun | them's fightin' werds! | 03:52 |
| nictuku | should I do it anyway? | 03:52 |
| crimsun | nictuku: yes | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: not possible | 03:52 |
| nictuku | ok wait a second | 03:52 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: you're right...what was I thinking? | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Doh :'-( | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | you can't have been thinking! :) | 03:53 |
| nictuku | Successfully uploaded packages. | 03:53 |
| nictuku | now we wait for revu update, right? | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: I don't know that I'll ever surpase bddebian ;-) | 03:54 |
| crimsun | pretty much, then we'll start looking over it | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | heh nice | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Oh stop it. I've been useless :-( | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | I put in the flight-5 install cd, and up pops a window saying I've got an ubuntu cd in the drive, asking if I want to install packages.. | 03:55 |
| crimsun | bddebian: dude you have megakarma from breezy | 03:55 |
| whiprush | LegendKarma | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: thanks for working on stellarium. | 03:56 |
| bddebian | No, it dropped way down didn't it? | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | whiprush: +1 | 03:56 |
| crimsun | bddebian: sure, but what does that matter? | 03:56 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: np....easy desktop file fix | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: we still can't compete | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Becuase I've been a total slacker for Dapper :'-( | 03:56 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Yeah right, you kicked my ass :-) | 03:56 |
| bmonty | bddebian: you are just resting up for dapper+1 | 03:56 |
| crimsun | aye | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: you still have quite a bit more karma than me | 03:56 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: stellarium is a very cool program BTW | 03:57 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Then I had better get busy to make sure you don't catch up.. ;-) | 03:57 |
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| bddebian | Doh, that isn't much :-) | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: yeah, I tried it out today (for a bug report). Quite cool. I sent an email to my Grandpa (Windows user and astronomy buff) about it. He is going to check it out. | 04:00 |
| bmonty | better than nothing | 04:00 |
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| bmonty | LaserJock: they have a windows version on their website....I need to make one of those panoramic photos for my house | 04:01 |
| bmonty | and then have it track the ISS so I might actually be able to see it for once :) | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it would be cool to input your own landscape picture | 04:02 |
| bmonty | how do I find out what the default priority is for debconf? | 04:09 |
| nictuku | after uploading to revu I must wait till it appears in http://revu.tauware.de/, right? | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | nictuku: yeah, although if it is taking a loong time it might have been rejected or something | 04:14 |
| nictuku | loong like 1 day or 1 hour? | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: 5 minutes if you did a correct upload | 04:15 |
| nictuku | I was dumb enough to send the binary package first | 04:15 |
| nictuku | oh | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: binaries are a no-no :) | 04:15 |
| nictuku | yeah | 04:15 |
| nictuku | dput pycacic_0.3-1_source.changes | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: we should have a checkinstall section ;-) | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: and are you in the uploaders keyring? | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: wash your mouth out | 04:16 |
| nictuku | ahmm no, I thought I didnt have to.. | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: it's somewhat mandatory ;) | 04:17 |
| nictuku | oh it doesn't need to be signed | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | what's your gpg key id, and is it on a keyserver? | 04:17 |
| nictuku | 29CDFF51 | 04:17 |
| nictuku | yes it is, including keyserver.ubuntu.com | 04:17 |
| nictuku | it's signed by a DD if that helps anything | 04:18 |
| nictuku | should I send an email to keyring@tiber.tauware.de ? | 04:18 |
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| LaserJock | nictuku: I think ajmitch is taking care of it ;-) | 04:18 |
| nictuku | I thought so :-P | 04:19 |
| nictuku | thanks ajmitch | 04:19 |
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| ajmitch | will do in a min | 04:26 |
| bmonty | goodnight everyone | 04:27 |
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| ajmitch | nictuku: btw your upload is on the REVU page now | 04:47 |
| nictuku | thank you | 04:48 |
| Kyral | hey guys | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | hi Kyral | 04:50 |
| Kyral | hey LJ | 04:50 |
| Kyral | Gah gym felt good | 04:51 |
| Kyral | and the shower after felt BETTER :D | 04:51 |
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| ajmitch | hello Kyral | 05:08 |
| nictuku | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2164 I'd appreciate comments if you guys find some time | 05:09 |
| Kyral | ajmitch | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | ok, 450GB ought to be about enough for building | 05:10 |
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| na7e | hi ajmitch, Kyral | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | hello na7e | 05:15 |
| nictuku | bye all | 05:22 |
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| na7e | whatcha installin? | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | flight 5 | 05:26 |
| na7e | oh, cool | 05:26 |
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| na7e | my hellish week of customizing the installer cd is finally over.....and i failed.... | 05:28 |
| irvin | na7e, try again :D | 05:33 |
| na7e | irvin, nein!!!!!!! | 05:33 |
| na7e | irvin, unless you wanna help | 05:33 |
| irvin | na7e, thanks but i'll pass ;) | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | crap, grub doesn't even load | 05:35 |
| na7e | irvin, can you try and see if my website is working? it should really just be a directory: http://www.sutton.cc | 05:35 |
| na7e | ajmitch, ouch, where specifically does it fail? not findin the partition? | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | na7e: no, I mean it doesn't even load | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | it just shows a blinking cursor | 05:36 |
| na7e | oh sweeeet | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 05:36 |
| na7e | ajmitch, would you mind checkin to see if my website is publicly accessible? it's www.sutton.cc | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | and I made sure that /boot was on a physical partition :) | 05:37 |
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| na7e | ajmitch, hrm... | 05:37 |
| na7e | ajmitch, ok, thanks | 05:37 |
| na7e | ajmitch, i might have to do a port redirect thingie | 05:37 |
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| === ajmitch attempts a nasty & evil hack | ||
| === na7e cackles with ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | I wasn't cackling | 05:48 |
| ajmitch | oh dear, that worked | 05:48 |
| na7e | lolz | 05:48 |
| ajmitch | obviously the bios & the kernel have different drive enumerations | 05:48 |
| === ajmitch just copied the partition table & /boot from the first drive to the other 2 | ||
| ajmitch | so I lost my 2 swap partitions | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | hopefully I've got enough RAM not to need them :) | 05:49 |
| na7e | icky | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | quite | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | so I have to work out which one the bios thinks should be sda1 | 05:53 |
| na7e | oh man, thats so ugly | 05:53 |
| ajmitch | true | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | it could be worse | 05:56 |
| na7e | yeah....could it? ;) | 05:56 |
| ajmitch | sure, the whole thing could have failed to work at all | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | eg if my SATA controller wasn't supported properly | 05:57 |
| na7e | at least if it didn't work it would be clean cut that it simply didn't work. now you've got a mess | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | nah | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | now it'll take me about 5 minutes to work out which one is correct | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | & go from there | 05:58 |
| Se7h | ALOHA | 06:00 |
| Se7h | ups, sorry the caps | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | hi | 06:00 |
| Se7h | otr | 06:01 |
| Se7h | do u know any app for windows to detect hardware that hasn't been installed? (onboard stuff that need drivers) | 06:01 |
| Se7h | this laptop is killing me | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | sorry, I don't do windows :) | 06:03 |
| Se7h | neither do i | 06:03 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:03 |
| Se7h | hi | 06:04 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: You're switching root drives? | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: nah, not really | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | it's a fresh install on 3 SATA drives | 06:06 |
| StevenK | Ah | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | so I'll have to migrate all my crap that's accumulated over the last 5 years or so onto a new install | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | more like about 7 years, actually | 06:07 |
| StevenK | Heh | 06:08 |
| StevenK | I switched /home's, and the old crap is still available via NFS. | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | that's the problem with debian systems | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | just no need to reinstall :) | 06:08 |
| StevenK | nfs:/home/steven 29G 15G 13G 53% /media/infected | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | hah | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | infected? :) | 06:09 |
| StevenK | Yes | 06:10 |
| === ajmitch has a large area to dump crap in now | ||
| StevenK | % hostname | 06:10 |
| StevenK | liquified | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | /dev/mapper/scratch-scratch | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | 410G 129M 406G 1% /usr/local | 06:10 |
| StevenK | Hah, I win | 06:10 |
| StevenK | nfs:/srv/media 429G 391G 38G 92% /media/media | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | I bet it'll fill up in 6 months | 06:10 |
| StevenK | I suspect so. | 06:11 |
| === ajmitch is currently copying junk like music across from the laptop | ||
| ajmitch | poor wireless connection | 06:11 |
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| ajmitch | hey Hobbsee | 06:12 |
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| === Kyral ooops | ||
| Kyral | You missed arseclown | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | poor Hobbsee, gets squashed all the time :) | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 06:12 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch: Ugh. How much music? | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:12 |
| StevenK | Ow! | 06:12 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: only about 5GB | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: hehe! yes, i hit hard | 06:12 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: But I like jumping on you! | 06:12 |
| Kyral | StevenK: you get off me NOW or I hurt you :P | 06:12 |
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| Hobbsee | LOL! | 06:13 |
| Kyral | Good boy | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | everyone acting like kids in here | 06:13 |
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| Kyral | I would hate to have to lop of your valubles | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: who, us? *looks innocent* | 06:13 |
| StevenK | Heh | 06:14 |
| Kyral | ajmitch: C'mon, goofing off is heathly | 06:14 |
| Kyral | healthy even | 06:14 |
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| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch: you in the land of aussie still, or back in NZ? | 06:15 |
| Kyral | anyway I'm going to bed | 06:17 |
| Kyral | night all | 06:17 |
| Hobbsee | night Kyral | 06:17 |
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| Hobbsee | :) | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: back in NZ | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: lucky | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | yep :) | 06:19 |
| Kyral | Whats so good about NZ... | 06:19 |
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| na7e | it's not au | 06:19 |
| na7e | j/k, never been there | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | cya Kyral | 06:19 |
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| na7e | never even been in that hemisphere even | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | Kyral: just that where ajmitch was (queensland) has a massive hurricane going through there at the moment | 06:20 |
| na7e | Kyral, gnite | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: isn't it a cyclone ;-) | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: thankfully that's a bit further north than brisbane, but I've got family up in cairns | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok, ouch | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: could be, i dont remember :P - it was asked if i was effected by it, and i remembered about ajmitch | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | & mackay | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes we call them cyclones here | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | I just thought it was odd that on the US news it turned into a cyclone even though we call them hurricanes | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | cyclone is the meteorological term :) | 06:22 |
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| na7e | it's a southern-northern thing tight? northern hemisphere it's a hurricane and southern it's a cyclone | 06:23 |
| na7e | aren't they also called typhoons? | 06:23 |
| ajmitch | they are | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | yeah, stupid Americans apparently don't agree with meteorologists ;-) | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | but I'm a US scientist so Im'used to the whole Imperial vs. Metric thing ;-) | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | yes, americans are stupid, who told them to use inches and all that rubbish anyway? | 06:24 |
| === Hobbsee ducks! | ||
| === na7e throws malone at Hobbsee | ||
| === LaserJock lobs a meterstick in Hobbsee's direction j/k | ||
| === ajmitch waits for apt-get dist-upgrade | ||
| ajmitch | painful slow | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | too many fixes since flight 5 | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | LOL! | 06:25 |
| === Hobbsee throws malone back at na7e | ||
| === Hobbsee throws a pound of cement at LaserJock | ||
| ajmitch | fun, winds of up to 290kmh | 06:26 |
| na7e | ajmitch, well, i have no idea how fast that is (americans......) | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | sigh.. | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | about 180mph | 06:28 |
| tritium | LaserJock: you're at UNR, right? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | tritium: yeah | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | tritium: sandia? | 06:28 |
| tritium | LaserJock: yes. We have 2 of your alums in our dept. | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | tritium: cool, what field? | 06:29 |
| tritium | LaserJock: one is an E.E., and another has a degree in materials science, I believe | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | tritium: there is some cool materials science/mechanical eng. stuff here | 06:30 |
| tritium | LaserJock: yeah? | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | tritium: I'm into the nanoscience/surface surface science end of chemistry myself | 06:31 |
| tritium | cool | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | I was actually looking at sandia postdocs last night | 06:32 |
| tritium | LaserJock: that would rock if you came out here. | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah, just need to convince my wife to move to NM. | 06:34 |
| tritium | It's beautiful. | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | well, we are from Montana so it would be pretty different ;-) | 06:35 |
| tritium | just a bit ;) | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | but we made it to NV so we are ~ half way there | 06:36 |
| tritium | It's very similar | 06:36 |
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| LaserJock | alright, I gotta get to be | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | cya everybody | 06:41 |
| crimsun | 'night | 06:41 |
| tritium | good night, crimsun | 06:41 |
| Hobbsee | night crimsun | 06:42 |
| crimsun | (actually that was for jordan) | 06:42 |
| tritium | heh, good night LaserJock | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | thanks crimsun ;-) | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:44 |
| Mithrandir | good morning people | 06:47 |
| crimsun | morning Mithrandir | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: sound works perfectly fine on kernel 19.29 | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | hi Mithrandir | 06:52 |
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| ajmitch | crimsun: wireless does as well, which is useful seeing as there was an ipw2200 update :) | 06:58 |
| Erlang | VGcats updated! | 06:59 |
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| gnu_style | how can I become involved? | 07:04 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: brilliant, thanks | 07:05 |
| gnu_style | how can I become involved? | 07:05 |
| Erlang | isn't there a wiki page for that? I can't find it. | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | gnu_style: see the bottom of wiki.ubuntu.com | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | i think thta's where it is | 07:06 |
| Erlang | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate <= this? | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | i'd say so | 07:06 |
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| ajmitch | ok, got the right /boot sorted now :) | 07:25 |
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| Toadstool | good morning everybody | 08:19 |
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| woodwizzle | Hello, I'm planning on creating my own LiveCD based on ubuntu, much like the mono-livecd. | 08:35 |
| woodwizzle | I'm just looking for some basic info to get me started, I've never done anything like it before and dunno where to begin | 08:35 |
| Toadstool | woodwizzle: take a look at wiki.ubuntu.com, I think there's a LiveCD customization howto | 08:41 |
| woodwizzle | just found it thanks | 08:41 |
| woodwizzle | I have some less technical, more legalish gpl questions though | 08:41 |
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| woodwizzle | Though I'll use this liveCD myself, my goal is to spread it to introduce people to linux, much like the mono liveCD | 08:43 |
| woodwizzle | Is it OK for me to include the nvidia and ati drivers pre-installed? And if not, what would I need to do to make it ok., because these are vital for this project | 08:43 |
| juuva | licences included in those packets should tell that | 08:46 |
| woodwizzle | juuva, you mean packages? | 08:47 |
| juuva | yes | 08:48 |
| juuva | haven't ever used those thou | 08:49 |
| woodwizzle | is there a easy way to find those (on my system I mean) | 08:50 |
| Spec | yes | 08:50 |
| woodwizzle | like is there something like a manpage | 08:50 |
| woodwizzle | Spec, yes i can find them or yes i can include them? | 08:50 |
| Spec | there should be a COPYRIGHT file with every package | 08:50 |
| woodwizzle | Spec, cool. didn't know that, that'll help me alot | 08:51 |
| woodwizzle | is there a copyright command like man reads all the manpages? | 08:51 |
| Spec | > ( "As indicated in the NVIDIA Software License, Linux distributions | 08:51 |
| Spec | > are welcome to repackage and redistribute the NVIDIA Linux driver in | 08:51 |
| Spec | > whatever package format they wish." ) | 08:51 |
| Spec | although, you should read the licenses carefully | 08:52 |
| Spec | vim /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/copyright | 08:53 |
| Spec | I don't know anything about ATI, but I'm sure there's a copyright file with whatever packages install the ati driver | 08:53 |
| Spec | to find them easily, dpkg -L <packagename> |grep -i copyright | 08:53 |
| Spec | Anyone know when the next CC meeting is? | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | Spec: not announced yet, afaik | 09:11 |
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| jamessan | anyone know why the vim-ruby package isn't built? I see an entry in the changelog about it being disable but I don't see a reason why | 04:11 |
| crimsun | jamessan: probably better addressed to mdz | 04:13 |
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| Amaranth | ack | 04:31 |
| Amaranth | i wish i could do something for \sh | 04:31 |
| crimsun | what's happening with him? | 04:32 |
| Mithrandir | he's hungry. | 04:32 |
| bddebian | What's the matter with \sh? | 04:32 |
| Mithrandir | bddebian: read planet.u.c | 04:32 |
| crimsun | d'oh, I was checking fridge | 04:34 |
| bddebian | Egads, how can we get him some money? | 04:34 |
| Amaranth | i could send him $50 USD if i knew how | 04:35 |
| Amaranth | but it wouldn't help much in EU, i don't think | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Yeah I'd send some too.. | 04:35 |
| G0SUB | oh! this is real? | 04:35 |
| G0SUB | my god! I can't imagine this happening to him ... | 04:36 |
| bddebian | G0SUB: I don't take \sh as the type to kid about such things | 04:36 |
| G0SUB | honestly, I can't imagine this thing .... | 04:36 |
| Amaranth | he kind of did all this on purpose | 04:36 |
| G0SUB | Amaranth: can we talk to sabdfl ? | 04:36 |
| Erlang | I'm a poor student and even I would send some... | 04:36 |
| Amaranth | i don't think he expected it to get this bad | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Amaranth: ? | 04:37 |
| G0SUB | Amaranth: how did he do this on purpose? | 04:37 |
| Amaranth | he quit his job | 04:37 |
| crimsun | well regardless the circumstances, it still sucks, and we're still a team | 04:37 |
| tseng | you can wire money anywhere with western union | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | i know | 04:38 |
| tseng | but we take a big cut | 04:38 |
| bddebian | Is anyone near him? | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | tseng: you work for western union? :) | 04:38 |
| G0SUB | Amaranth: why did he quit his job without any savings? | 04:38 |
| tseng | Amaranth: my company owns 51% of WU | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | G0SUB: burnout | 04:38 |
| tseng | Amaranth: we are spinning them off | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | we need some way of contacting him | 04:38 |
| G0SUB | Amaranth: can't sabdfl help too? | 04:39 |
| Amaranth | *shrug* | 04:39 |
| G0SUB | hell, he hasn't eaten since the last few days !! | 04:39 |
| bddebian | Well he was able to post that, does his e-mail still work? | 04:40 |
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| malte` | hi | 04:41 |
| tseng | bddebian: there are internet cafes in europe | 04:41 |
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| bddebian | Well SOMEONE has to be close to him. What about ogra? | 04:42 |
| G0SUB | where does he live? Germany? | 04:42 |
| Seveas | yes | 04:42 |
| Amaranth | his neighbor has open wlan | 04:42 |
| tseng | G0SUB: he used to work with ogra | 04:42 |
| G0SUB | tseng: oh, yeah ... I heard ogra introduced him to Ubuntu | 04:42 |
| Seveas | Hell, if 4 people would wire him 50$ he could have enough until the unemployment office starts paying | 04:43 |
| Seveas | I'd be one of the four if I knew how to | 04:43 |
| highvoltage | when last did someone here from him? i've been concerned too, even though I haven't met him in real life or anything. | 04:43 |
| bddebian | I could probably send like $100 USD | 04:43 |
| highvoltage | Seveas: if something like that were done, it should be done *very* discretely, otherwise it may set a bad president | 04:44 |
| G0SUB | ``bad president'' ? | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | i'm quite broke myself but i could also manage 10-20 $ | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | precident | 04:44 |
| G0SUB | aah | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | G0SUB: what Amaranth said :) | 04:44 |
| Seveas | precedent even ;) | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | bah | 04:44 |
| G0SUB | heh | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 04:44 |
| Seveas | bad president is what they have in the US : | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | Seveas: that's debatable... | 04:45 |
| tseng | the english-as-second-language folks win again | 04:45 |
| bddebian | Oh I was waiting for that | 04:45 |
| Amaranth | what happened to SexySpellEntry? | 04:45 |
| highvoltage | oh, "bad", sorry. | 04:45 |
| Seveas | highvoltage, of course, but please not here | 04:45 |
| highvoltage | I missed that part :) | 04:45 |
| bddebian | ogra: ping? | 04:45 |
| highvoltage | back to \sh | 04:45 |
| highvoltage | if someone's willing to manage the fund-raising | 04:46 |
| highvoltage | i'm willing to transfer some money into your account that can be transfered to him again | 04:46 |
| G0SUB | does he have a paypal a/c ? | 04:46 |
| G0SUB | or any bank a/c ? | 04:46 |
| bddebian | G0SUB: I was thinking about that too | 04:46 |
| Amaranth | unless you want it eaten by something like western union twice it'd be best to just send it to him direct | 04:46 |
| G0SUB | bddebian: IMO, we can at least comment on his blog | 04:47 |
| Amaranth | paypal would be useless if it wasn't hooked up to his bank | 04:47 |
| Amaranth | we'd just be sending money into the ether | 04:47 |
| G0SUB | yeah, another issue | 04:47 |
| Seveas | Amaranth, I could do the fundraising | 04:47 |
| Seveas | NL->DE is free | 04:47 |
| Seveas | so you only pay WU once | 04:47 |
| tseng | you could send it via paypal to one account and then wire it | 04:48 |
| Seveas | but someone local to him needs to get hold of his bank account number | 04:49 |
| G0SUB | ``Let's see, if everything gets more worse, then I'll try to contact Ogra to pick up some stuff which belongs to others then me.'' | 04:51 |
| G0SUB | I am sure ogra can get in touch with him | 04:52 |
| Seveas | if only ogra would respond now | 04:52 |
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| Amaranth | germany is +1, right? | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | btw, isn't there a CC meeting soon? | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | or did i just miss it? | 04:53 |
| psusi | yea, in 10 mins | 04:53 |
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| Seveas | argh | 04:53 |
| Seveas | mouse was in the topic thing | 04:53 |
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| G0SUB | Seveas: can we put this fundraiser in the CC meet agenda? | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | probably not | 04:55 |
| G0SUB | hmm | 04:55 |
| Seveas | indeed | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | we only need a couple people to help | 04:55 |
| Seveas | it's not something that should be run by Ubuntu | 04:55 |
| G0SUB | i agree | 04:55 |
| G0SUB | but to create awareness I mean | 04:55 |
| Seveas | no, that's not good | 04:56 |
| G0SUB | i understand now | 04:56 |
| Seveas | I don't think \sh would want that either | 04:56 |
| G0SUB | but he is starving ... | 04:56 |
| highvoltage | G0SUB: i would think that ideally, as few as possible people should know about this | 04:56 |
| G0SUB | no money is ok. but he hasn't eaten since a long time | 04:57 |
| tseng | there are 100 people here | 04:57 |
| bddebian | Yes, we don't want to embarass anyone, just help the poor guy | 04:57 |
| Seveas | G0SUB, so ogra needs to respond and we can start collecting | 04:57 |
| tseng | so you arent exactly keeping a secret | 04:57 |
| G0SUB | yes | 04:57 |
| bddebian | tseng: Aye, good point :-( | 04:57 |
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| G0SUB | tseng: add to that the fact that his blog is on planet.u.c | 04:57 |
| Amaranth | ouch | 04:57 |
| highvoltage | more than embarassment, if word gets out, we may have many people suddenlty blogging about needing money- not good | 04:58 |
| tseng | G0SUB: yeah. | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | it'll cost $20 to send $50 | 04:58 |
| Seveas | tseng, true, but the 100 in here know \sh somewhat - the community at large not | 04:58 |
| Seveas | Amaranth, eew | 04:58 |
| tseng | highvoltage: i think you are a little off base | 04:58 |
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| Seveas | sending it via mail is cheaper | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | Seveas: but then it won't get there for a week or so | 04:58 |
| G0SUB | agh! | 04:58 |
| Seveas | Amaranth, that's not neccessarily an issue | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | hrm | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | i'll willing to pay the $20 | 04:59 |
| tseng | Seveas: (why not) | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | just saying ouch | 04:59 |
| Seveas | I mean, if I know how much would 'come in' it's easy for me to transfer that in advance | 04:59 |
| tseng | $70 USD is no big deal to me | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | ah | 05:00 |
| bddebian | As I said, I can do $100USD | 05:00 |
| Seveas | and if you americans combine forces then the WU load will be less | 05:00 |
| bddebian | I'd like to cath ogra first to see if it would be easier to go through him somehow | 05:01 |
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| Seveas | yeah, me too | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | yeah, we have to go through ogra eventually anyhow | 05:01 |
| Seveas | I'm almost certain it would be easier | 05:02 |
| Seveas | but it's nice to have options | 05:02 |
| ogra | heya ... | 05:04 |
| bddebian | ogra!! | 05:04 |
| ogra | i havent heard from \sh since quite some time ... | 05:04 |
| bddebian | ogra: Are you near him? | 05:04 |
| ogra | i tried to call him after his last entry but didnt reach him | 05:05 |
| ogra | about 60-80km away | 05:05 |
| Amaranth | yeah, he says his phone is shut off | 05:05 |
| ogra | in germany they only disable you from making cals the first month ... | 05:05 |
| ogra | *calls | 05:05 |
| Amaranth | "Oh, if you want to call me, and I don't answer the phone, please don't expect, that I'm calling back, my phone lines are canceled, until I pay them." | 05:06 |
| ogra | you can still be called | 05:06 |
| Amaranth | ah | 05:06 |
| spacey | is their some meta package with debug symbols? I want to do a backtrace on epiphany but no idea which debug symbol package i should get | 05:06 |
| Amaranth | ok, if we give you money, can you drive to him? | 05:06 |
| ogra | sure | 05:06 |
| bddebian | Can we paypal ogra? :) | 05:07 |
| ogra | no idea, i have no paypal account and i dont know if my bank accepts paypal transfers | 05:07 |
| bddebian | Bah :-) | 05:07 |
| Amaranth | ok, i guess western union | 05:07 |
| ogra | might be possible, but i have no idea how ... :) | 05:07 |
| slomo | spacey: spacey look at the backtrace of your crash without debug symbols to get an idea which debug packages you want :) | 05:08 |
| spacey | slomo: hmm ok :) | 05:08 |
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| slomo | spacey: in the worst case you have to rebuild epiphany-browser with debug symbols as it has no debug package | 05:08 |
| spacey | hmm ok | 05:09 |
| bddebian | Bah, screw Western Union, there HAS to be a better way | 05:10 |
| ogra | you can transfer it to my account ... lets talk after the meeting .. | 05:11 |
| Amaranth | oh crap, meeting | 05:11 |
| Seveas | ogra, cool | 05:11 |
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| sixE18 | hi | 05:36 |
| sixE18 | apt-cache show linphone say me : 1.0.1-6ubuntu7. But on debian and on the official linphone page it's the 1.3.* release. Who contact to have this packet up to date | 05:36 |
| sixE18 | ? | 05:37 |
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| crimsun | we're way past upstream version freeze (UVF) | 05:37 |
| crimsun | does 1.3 fix any _critical_ (as in your computer explodes) bugs over 1.0.1? | 05:37 |
| bddebian | bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~$ sudo apt-cache madison linphone | 05:38 |
| bddebian | Password: | 05:38 |
| bddebian | linphone | 1.2.0-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages | 05:38 |
| bddebian | linphone | 1.2.0-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources | 05:38 |
| sixE18 | and breezy keep in his state ? | 05:38 |
| crimsun | breezy will not be updated. It froze in October. | 05:39 |
| sixE18 | haaa thx | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | what exactly is a 'bug triager'? | 05:40 |
| spacey | someone how does something with bug reports? | 05:40 |
| crimsun | someone who trawls the bugtracker and updates bugs | 05:40 |
| crimsun | e.g., asks for more info, reassigns, closes, etc. | 05:41 |
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| highvoltage | ok, kewl. i always thought it had something to do with resolving bugs directly. thanks for clearing that for me. | 05:42 |
| azeem | bddebian: whoa, I didn't know about apt-cache madison | 05:42 |
| azeem | cool, thanks | 05:42 |
| === highvoltage just learned about apt-cache madison from ogra today too | ||
| bddebian | azeem: Gotta be good for something once in a while :-) | 05:43 |
| crimsun | megakarma, toldya | 05:43 |
| bddebian | crimsun: pfft :) | 05:45 |
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| sixE18 | linphone integre webcam since 1.2.99, why keep on 1.2.0 ? | 05:48 |
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| crimsun | because we're in upstream version freeze. We've been in UVF since February. | 05:50 |
| crimsun | There had better be a darned good (i.e., critical) reason to upgrade at this point. | 05:50 |
| sixE18 | ok | 05:52 |
| bddebian | Gents, I have to head to lunch, can someone please let me know about \sh | 05:53 |
| crimsun | someone will, I'm sure | 05:54 |
| sixE18 | thx \o_ | 05:54 |
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| reggaemanu | hello | 06:33 |
| Erlang | lo | 06:34 |
| reggaemanu | what the purpose of the new package evince-gtk (version 0.5.1) that appears today on the universe repository ? there is already a "evince" package (version 0.5.2) :/ | 06:35 |
| crimsun | it strips the gnome bits | 06:35 |
| crimsun | we need it for xubuntu-desktop | 06:35 |
| reggaemanu | crimsun, oh, ok ! | 06:35 |
| crimsun | probably best if janimo knows about 0.5.2, though he's very active, and I'm sure it'll be updated shortly | 06:35 |
| reggaemanu | i haven't think about xfce | 06:35 |
| crimsun | yes, there are other desktops =) | 06:36 |
| reggaemanu | also, the checkinstall package for dapper doesn't work | 06:36 |
| crimsun | that's not necessarily a bad thing ;) | 06:36 |
| reggaemanu | and is out of date | 06:36 |
| reggaemanu | (since there is a 1.6.0 version on the checkinstall website, with a .deb) | 06:37 |
| === dholbach smirks at crimsun :) | ||
| dholbach | .debs don't help, we need the source package | 06:37 |
| crimsun | well, even Debian only has 1.5.3-3 | 06:37 |
| dholbach | and if we don't know what it changes, what it breaks and what it fixes, it can't go in atm | 06:38 |
| reggaemanu | crimsun, yes, but if there is a package in the repository, it should works lol | 06:38 |
| dholbach | we're in UpstreamVersionFreeze | 06:38 |
| reggaemanu | yes, i know | 06:38 |
| dholbach | in FeatureFreeze and UIFreeze too | 06:38 |
| reggaemanu | anyway this the 1.6.0 package works fine on dapper :D | 06:38 |
| crimsun | Bug #281823: checkinstall: filesystem coruption | 06:39 |
| crimsun | that is an AWESOME reason. | 06:39 |
| G0SUB | dholbach: I installed a custom kernel and now usplash doesn't work ... I see it only when shutting down or rebooting but no progress bar | 06:39 |
| G0SUB | any idea how to troubleshoot it? | 06:39 |
| sladen | G0SUB: have you rebuilt an initramfs with it in? | 06:41 |
| G0SUB | sladen: not explicitly ... how to do that? | 06:41 |
| G0SUB | sladen: any idea? | 06:44 |
| sladen | G0SUB: sudo mkinitramfs `uname -r` | 06:46 |
| G0SUB | ok | 06:46 |
| sladen | G0SUB: what are you requring a custom kernel for? | 06:46 |
| sladen | G0SUB: if it's a feature that you require, it would be better to get it into the standard kernel. | 06:46 |
| G0SUB | sladen: I usually use the CK patchset and also because of the fact that CPU Freq. scaling doesn't work with the stock kernel | 06:47 |
| G0SUB | i will file a bug on this | 06:47 |
| G0SUB | wrt the speedstep issue | 06:47 |
| Erlang | ck rulez | 06:48 |
| G0SUB | Erlang: heh | 06:49 |
| G0SUB | sladen: where do I put the initramfs image after generating it? /boot? | 06:49 |
| Erlang | My mouse is very jumpy with the standard kernel in Eclipse. RT and CK solve the problem. | 06:50 |
| G0SUB | FYI I don't use a initrd image | 06:50 |
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| sladen | G0SUB: yes, it'll pop it into /boot and "Just do" everything for you | 06:54 |
| G0SUB | sladen: oh, really ? great | 06:54 |
| sladen | G0SUB: please file a bug against powernowd if CPU scaling doesn't work | 06:55 |
| G0SUB | but why does it force me to use -o outfile? | 06:55 |
| G0SUB | sladen: yes | 06:55 |
| sladen | G0SUB: sorry, sudo update-initramfs -u `uname -r` | 06:55 |
| sladen | *that* should do everything for you | 06:56 |
| G0SUB | sladen: aah, thanks a lot! | 06:56 |
| G0SUB | brb, new kernel | 06:56 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | hi Tonio_ | 07:06 |
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| G0SUB | sladen: it worked, thanks a lot | 07:16 |
| Seveas | ogra, ping | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | Seveas: yeah, sorry. I thought I was here :( | 07:16 |
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| bddebian | Hey gents, any word on the \sh situation? | 08:09 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: I asked Seveas and he pinged ogra but no response yet | 08:10 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: OK, thanks | 08:11 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 08:15 |
| Gloubiboulga | evening phanatic | 08:16 |
| phanatic | hey Gloubiboulga | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | hi phanatic and Gloubiboulga | 08:17 |
| phanatic | hey LaserJock | 08:18 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi LaserJock | 08:19 |
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| littlepaul | Hi, I have short question. What is meant in flight 5 with "Graphical Power Tools" ? | 08:52 |
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| dolson | ok, something's not right... this is the second time in a week that I came back to my PC after a couple hours and the HDD activity is going nuts, but the screen is blanked (gnome-screensaver) and the system is totally unresponsive | 09:17 |
| dholbach | can you sssh into that box? | 09:18 |
| dholbach | and check what's working it so hard? | 09:19 |
| dolson | I rebooted it | 09:19 |
| dolson | it's this box, actually | 09:19 |
| dholbach | hrm | 09:19 |
| dholbach | so no debugging | 09:19 |
| dholbach | is /var/ full? | 09:19 |
| dholbach | cups doesn't like that and spins like mad | 09:19 |
| dolson | you know, I hit Ctrl+Alt+F5 and got to a login after several minutes | 09:19 |
| dolson | so I tried logging in. it took about a minute for it to prompt for the password, and then 5 minutes after entering the password some of the MOTD text or whatever it is showed up. I waited 30 more minutes and it still never gave me the bash prompt | 09:20 |
| dholbach | that's not nice | 09:20 |
| Erlang | dolson: It happened to me once. | 09:21 |
| dolson | there's over 1GB free on / which is where var is.. so that's not it. plus I don't have a printer, lol | 09:21 |
| littlepaul | dholbach, What is meant in flight 5 with "Graphical Power Tools" http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5 I see that just gdebi is described. Do you have a hint where I can find more information? | 09:22 |
| Erlang | dolson: It happened to me just last week. I had to reset too I could not get the system to come back on it's feet. | 09:23 |
| Erlang | I linked the problem to Gaim that I had retried the night before. I have not used it since. | 09:23 |
| dholbach | littlepaul: you should maybe ask the guys who wrote the page, maybe ask in #ubuntu-doc | 09:23 |
| dolson | Erlang: hmm.. that's very strange. | 09:23 |
| dolson | Erlang: I was running gnome-xchat or whatever it is, Gaim, Evolution, and Blam!.. shouldn't lock up though | 09:24 |
| Erlang | Most of the time I only use KDE apps and never had that problem. | 09:24 |
| dolson | I blame the government | 09:25 |
| Erlang | GAIM is still the potential culprit. If I had some guts I'd setup something to diagnosticate that but I need ths computer to work. | 09:26 |
| dolson | I'm not sure how I could test that | 09:27 |
| Erlang | There must be some process monitoring tools somewhere. I seriously suspect Gaim has it's the only non-usual app I was running when it happened. It may be something else gnomey though... | 09:28 |
| dolson | the only other thing that I could link it to is the fact that I did some updates and didn't reboot when it told me to.. (hal) | 09:28 |
| dolson | but I don't think that was the case the first time it happened | 09:29 |
| Erlang | I never reboot when I'm told. That reminds me too much of Windows. | 09:29 |
| dolson | I know... | 09:30 |
| dolson | next it's gonna be "Ubuntu has detected that you wish to press spacebar. You must reboot to acknowledge this change" | 09:31 |
| Erlang | I'll be back to Debian by then... | 09:31 |
| dolson | in all the years I ran Debian, I only ever rebooted during a power failure long enough to knock down my UPS or after a kernel upgrade, and even then sometimes I waited for the next power failure before booting into the new kernel | 09:32 |
| Erlang | that's the Linux way... | 09:32 |
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| LaserJock | I reboot all the time. I shut off my computer at least once a day. But that is just me | 09:35 |
| dolson | yeah, it is | 09:35 |
| dolson | Erlang: do you run Beagle, by any chance? I didn't have it installed the first time it happened... but you never know.. | 09:36 |
| Erlang | No I don't. | 09:36 |
| dolson | it's sitting there right now using between 66 and 95% | 09:36 |
| psusi | has anyone noticed lately that certain upgrades in dapper that tell you to reboot, when you chose to reboot from the gui, it just sits there? | 09:37 |
| dolson | yeah.. I thought that was because I was running a custom kernel though | 09:38 |
| psusi | ohh, I am too I guess.... I build straight from linus's git tree frequently | 09:39 |
| psusi | with a few local modifications | 09:39 |
| dolson | I used an -rt patch for a while | 09:40 |
| dolson | but not lately.. this was a lockup on a normal kernel | 09:40 |
| Erlang | I'm moved from -rt to -ck lately. I must say I'm satisfied. | 09:41 |
| dolson | do you do a lot of work with JACK? | 09:41 |
| dolson | oh cool, the GPL was held up in court. nice. I missed that news yesterday | 09:42 |
| Erlang | No. I don't do audio processing. I've found -rt and -ck patch improve the responsiveness of Eclipse and Java apps. | 09:42 |
| dolson | ah, well the -ck isn't so good for realtime audio stuff | 09:43 |
| Erlang | I'm better off with -ck then. It seems more stable than -rt. | 09:44 |
| dolson | yeah, well, rt is almost 2MB of a patch, heh. that's nothing to snort at. there's bound to be problems with it. I don't remember how big ck is, but it's more widely used and generally stabler | 09:45 |
| dolson | Studio to Go! ships with the ck patches, apparently. so I'm guessing that it's a bit better than a vanilla kernel for audio | 09:46 |
| Erlang | I've read ck is configurable for some different types of load. I have not looked much into that though. | 09:47 |
| dolson | it has a scheduler for non-priveleged users to access near-realtime sceduler, and it's transparent.. pretty cool, although not needed if you want to allow FIFO access to a user via PAM or set_rlimits or realtime-lsm | 09:48 |
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| Erlang | I'll start gaim for a few. | 09:51 |
| psusi | I don't think its a kernel issue though because a shutdown -h now from the console works fine | 09:56 |
| psusi | it's just the gui can't seem to shutdown after certain upgrades | 09:56 |
| dolson | psusi: I'll test that next time I have to reboot and see what happens | 10:06 |
| psusi | it's only after my ~weekly update | 10:07 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: going to say good night to us? ;-) | 10:13 |
| dholbach | good night guys | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | cya dholbach | 10:13 |
| dolson | cya dholbach | 10:17 |
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| gage | guys, where can i read about setting dependancies for multi-binary packages? i made one for mpeg4ip, which has separate -lib and -server and -player components, but my -server deb ended up depending on stuff that only the player should need, like gtk. | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | gage: are you setting the dependencies in debian/control? | 10:58 |
| gage | yeah, i guess this part is what's screwing me up? : ${shlibs:Depends} | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | morning | 11:01 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 11:02 |
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