=== papyromancer [n=drew@cpe-24-165-210-176.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] do we still need to fakesync stuff from debian? [12:26] I believe so, but I'm not sure [12:26] well, i guess it cant hurt [12:29] a fake sabdf posted on debian-devel [12:29] ha [12:29] haha [12:29] it wasn't a very good fake even ;-) === Lathiat looks [12:30] maybe you guys can help, it's rather silly, how can you check programmatically if dpkg is locked by another process? [12:30] whats the thread? [12:30] see /var/lib/dpkg [12:30] probabgly a file or something [12:30] kk [12:30] /var/lib/dpkg/lock [12:30] ? :) [12:31] whats the details of that email to d-d ? [12:31] i cant see it [12:31] unless its really recent and the archives havent picked up yet === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00894.html [12:32] in case anyone has time, i opened and uploaded a patch for Bug #35773 [12:32] Malone bug 35773 in awstats "awstats_configure.pl fails" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35773 [12:32] so [12:32] that is just... crap [12:33] i could make up a better fake in my sleep [12:34] even spelt th ename wrong lol === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] hi bmonty [12:35] hey LaserJock [01:06] LaserJock: ping? [01:07] slomo_: yeah, saw it [01:07] LaserJock: ok ;) [01:07] slomo_: so am I supposed to upload it? [01:08] LaserJock: yes... do a fakesync or do required changes and upload then :) [01:08] slomo_: k, cool === JanC_ [n=janc@dD577040E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] whiprush: hahahahaha [01:20] whiprush: you got me. [01:20] tseng: I was looking for you before I put that up. [01:21] oops, better resize for planet [01:21] haha [01:21] that's just rude === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat__ [n=mat@d01v-213-44-210-135.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] I've just uploaded a package to revu [01:40] python-sysinfo is required for the upcoming nwu-agent === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC_ [n=janc@dD577040E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] hi [02:25] I've read in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU that I could use dput -f to force upload of an already uploaded file [02:25] It's not working, though [02:25] should I change the package version? [02:29] nictuku: what do you mean, it doesn't work? [02:30] 553 Could not create file. [02:30] dput -f doesn't work [02:30] I mean, not as *I* expected [02:30] more info, if possible..? [02:30] sure [02:30] what did you try & upload, and what did you type? [02:30] hm, a binary upload [02:30] don't do that :) [02:31] I've uploaded pycacic_0.3-1 with dput pycacic_0.3-1_i386.changes [02:31] please build a source package & upload that === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] Later I changed debian/control [02:31] oh I see [02:31] sorry [02:31] & you'll also want to build it as a non-native package [02:32] I tried so. heh [02:32] so you should upload pycacic_0.3-1_source.changes [02:32] you have pycacic_0.3.orig.tar.gz ? [02:33] no, but the directory is "pycacic-0.3" [02:33] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa, seems to be working [02:33] you must have pycacic_0.3.orig.tar.gz === MarioMeyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] almost always it's a rename of the original tarball [02:35] ok now I do [02:36] the .orig.tar.gz has debian/*, is that a problem? [02:36] yes [02:36] did you create this tarball yourself? [02:36] it's upstream [02:36] yes, I am upstream [02:36] we are both upstream and packaging, ajmitch [02:36] MarioMeyer, I'm not packaging nwu right now, though [02:36] it's still a good idea to separate packaging from upstream work [02:37] I imagine that the coulud be useful for other distributions, or derivatives [02:37] and you don't want to make a full release just for a packaging change :) [02:37] hmm [02:38] how do you think I should organize that in the subversion rep? [02:38] currently it's all in trunk/ and tags/, with debian/ being part of the upstream distro package [02:38] separate repositories, or separate branches? === ajmitch doesn't deal with svn much these days === Tiak [n=rpicone@c-24-23-197-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch needs to shut down & do a reinstall on new drives :) [02:45] time to go to RAID [02:45] good luck =] [02:46] fun [02:46] how big is your RAID? [02:47] I've got 3 250GB SATA drives [02:49] nice [02:50] ~500GB if you go with RAID 5 === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205619.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] or I could risk it all & go for RAID 0 [02:53] 750gb, that's a lot for a personnal computer! [02:53] ajmitch: raid 5? [02:53] tseng: hm? [02:53] raid 5.. [02:53] what about it? [02:53] I haven't decided which way I'll set it up [02:54] twtwo disks dstripe [02:54] ajmitch: this is going to eb software RAID? [02:54] be* [02:54] chillywilly: of course [02:54] ugh [02:54] two disks stripe, one "mirrors" === chillywilly can't afford a RAID controller right now either [02:54] :) === Erlang users backups. [02:55] uses... [02:56] backing up 750GB takes a little while [02:56] heh :) [02:56] and I mainly want a large, fast space for building stuff [02:56] rdiff-backup rocks [02:56] which can be thrown away === chillywilly uses rdiff-backup at work [02:57] ajmitch: 750GB? Are you building OpenOffic? [02:57] rdiff-backup, never looked at that. [02:57] c/dev/sdb1 699G 124G 575G 18% /mnt/raid [02:58] azeem: nah, though I might try for all of universe one week :) [02:58] psycho ;) [02:58] you could remove built packages again [02:58] sure [02:58] oh, rdiff backup seems nice. I'm using rsync. === bddebian [n=bddebian@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] Hey gang [02:59] it's bddebianIsGod! [02:59] I have an rdiff-backup job run every night then sync it over with rsync for my backup mirror [02:59] hello bddebian [02:59] Heya ajmitch, chillywilly and crimsun [02:59] crimsun: You mock me again [02:59] bddebian: sup? [02:59] Nada man, you? [02:59] bddebian: bah [03:00] about to go pickup my son from the cub scout meeting thing... [03:00] Ah [03:00] "thing" ;p [03:00] I've been beating this nasty perl into shape === farruinn [n=nathan@ssprange-3.umm.maine.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] *thwap* *thwap* *thwap* [03:01] chillywilly: You're re-writing it in Python? ;-P [03:02] I wish... [03:03] brb [03:06] There is one stupid guy on d.devel right now -_- === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] Erlang: only one? :) [03:09] Well I'm there so I guess that's two :-) [03:09] Well, this one is stupidER. [03:09] certainly [03:10] you mean the mailing list, I assume [03:10] azeem: yes [03:10] someone pretending to be sabdfl === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] He just sent a lengthy message complaining about Debian... [03:10] and its lack of leadership. [03:11] s/message/rant/ [03:12] yes. === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] hello MOTUs [03:18] short question - what happened with Flash plugin for mozilla? why it's removed from dapper repository? === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5486F763.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] marcin`: are you refering to flashplugin-nonfree? [03:23] marcin`: 1) it was illegally distributed; 2) it was outdated; 3) flashplugin-nonfree is the way to go [03:24] marcin`: I asked for it to be removed, and it was for those reasons. [03:24] nonfree is the way to go? [03:24] flashplugin-nonfree as opposed to the obsoleted flashplayer-mozilla, yes [03:25] note that flashplayer-mozilla breaks the license completely, as we're not allowed to distribute that binary [03:25] you mean flashplayer-mozilla is the way to go, right? [03:25] bmonty: not - to flashplugin-mozilla [03:25] oh [03:25] no, I very much mean flashplugin-nonfree is the way to go. [03:26] crimsun: well ok - but the thing is that now my flash plugin doesn;t work [03:26] crimsun: I'll try to reinstall flashplayer-nonfree [03:26] marcin`: please check the dependencies, and file a bug. [03:26] /s/flashplayer/flashplugin [03:27] crimsun: now it's not about dependencies [03:27] crimsun: if it doesn't work after I removed flashplugin-mozilla [03:27] crimsun: why do we have multiple flash players anyway? shouldn't it the shockwave player and the GNU one when it is more mature? [03:27] flashplugin-mozilla? [03:27] crimsun: than it means that it's not configured [03:28] what is this flashplugin-mozilla? === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] crimsun: sorry - it was flashplayer... [03:31] marcin`: ok, so are you saying that because you removed flashplayer-mozilla and installed flashplugin-nonfree, Flash applets don't play? [03:32] crimsun: yes [03:32] marcin`: which browser? [03:32] crimsun: now I reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree and it doesn't work with ffox and epiphany [03:33] marcin`: do you have a test case? [03:34] ? === irvin [n=vx@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] marcin`: did you run update-flashplugin? [03:34] marcin`: an example Web site containing a Flash applet that fails to work? [03:34] crimsun: sure - and about:plugins [03:35] did you execute what bmonty mentioned? [03:35] bmonty: thanks [03:35] with a "sudo" of course :) [03:35] crimsun: yes it helped [03:36] excellent. [03:36] you really should add info about this in package description [03:37] or add this to postinst script... [03:37] should I show someone else my package before sending to revu? It's a python library, required for nwu (my implementation of the NetworkWideUpdates spec) [03:38] another thing is that these ^&*^&*& 'nice guys' from Macromedia could create Flash 8 plugin for Linux [03:38] I don't want to waste reviewers time with maybe a crappy package [03:38] nictuku: are you the guy doing NWU? [03:38] whiprush, yes [03:38] that's awesome. [03:39] :-) [03:39] we're looking for volunteer testers [03:39] bmonty: need to modify postinst so that a fresh install will invoke update-flashplugin [03:39] nictuku: I have it pulled from your repo but have had no time. [03:39] bmonty: currently it fails to do so, which explains marcin`'s symptoms [03:39] crimsun: yup, I can work on that over the next couple days [03:39] bmonty: great, thanks. [03:39] whiprush, statistics say you probably got a buggy version :-) [03:39] er, I meant nictuku [03:40] I look forward to playing with it. [03:41] debian/ubuntu has needed a free-RHN type thing for a while [03:41] nice, please let me and MarioMeyer - which is also in the development team - know how did it work for you [03:41] when I get to playing with it I will file bugs [03:42] iirc you guys had trac setup and all that already [03:42] crimsun: the package actually already has a postinst to download the plugin...odd [03:42] bmonty: right, but it seems to fail [03:42] yes https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu [03:42] python-sysinfo is a requirment, though, and I'm trying to make it go to universe first [03:43] (chasing more ALSA boogs atm, or I'd file a bug) [03:43] then I'll try to push nwu-agent and nwu-server [03:43] crimsun: I think there is already a bug open for this [03:43] k [03:43] then, if reviewers "ok" the packages, I'll write an ITP bug in debian and ask for inclusion in ubuntu's main [03:44] crimsun, bmonty: thanks for help === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] hey LaserJock [03:50] hi bmonty [03:51] ok, let's work on this python package [03:51] what is the default debconf priority? [03:51] yeah, I got a UVF exception done! [03:51] LaserJock: hooray! [03:51] nictuku: url to upid on revu? [03:52] LaserJock: you have now officially surpased bddebian :) [03:52] I did not upload it to revu yet.. I'm afraid it's too buggy to even be in revu :-P [03:52] them's fightin' werds! [03:52] should I do it anyway? [03:52] nictuku: yes [03:52] bmonty: not possible [03:52] ok wait a second [03:52] ajmitch: you're right...what was I thinking? [03:52] Doh :'-( [03:53] you can't have been thinking! :) [03:53] Successfully uploaded packages. [03:53] now we wait for revu update, right? [03:54] bmonty: I don't know that I'll ever surpase bddebian ;-) [03:54] pretty much, then we'll start looking over it [03:54] heh nice [03:54] Oh stop it. I've been useless :-( [03:55] I put in the flight-5 install cd, and up pops a window saying I've got an ubuntu cd in the drive, asking if I want to install packages.. [03:55] bddebian: dude you have megakarma from breezy [03:56] LegendKarma [03:56] bmonty: thanks for working on stellarium. [03:56] No, it dropped way down didn't it? [03:56] whiprush: +1 [03:56] bddebian: sure, but what does that matter? [03:56] LaserJock: np....easy desktop file fix [03:56] bddebian: we still can't compete [03:56] Becuase I've been a total slacker for Dapper :'-( [03:56] ajmitch: Yeah right, you kicked my ass :-) [03:56] bddebian: you are just resting up for dapper+1 [03:56] aye [03:56] bddebian: you still have quite a bit more karma than me [03:57] LaserJock: stellarium is a very cool program BTW [03:57] LaserJock: Then I had better get busy to make sure you don't catch up.. ;-) === bmonty sees that bddebian has a +10 karma buff [03:58] Doh, that isn't much :-) [04:00] bmonty: yeah, I tried it out today (for a bug report). Quite cool. I sent an email to my Grandpa (Windows user and astronomy buff) about it. He is going to check it out. [04:00] better than nothing === dolson is now known as dolzzzon [04:01] LaserJock: they have a windows version on their website....I need to make one of those panoramic photos for my house [04:01] and then have it track the ISS so I might actually be able to see it for once :) [04:02] yeah, it would be cool to input your own landscape picture [04:09] how do I find out what the default priority is for debconf? [04:13] after uploading to revu I must wait till it appears in http://revu.tauware.de/, right? [04:14] nictuku: yeah, although if it is taking a loong time it might have been rejected or something [04:15] loong like 1 day or 1 hour? [04:15] nictuku: 5 minutes if you did a correct upload [04:15] I was dumb enough to send the binary package first [04:15] oh [04:15] nictuku: binaries are a no-no :) [04:15] yeah [04:16] dput pycacic_0.3-1_source.changes [04:16] ajmitch: we should have a checkinstall section ;-) [04:16] nictuku: and are you in the uploaders keyring? [04:16] LaserJock: wash your mouth out [04:16] ahmm no, I thought I didnt have to.. [04:17] nictuku: it's somewhat mandatory ;) [04:17] oh it doesn't need to be signed [04:17] what's your gpg key id, and is it on a keyserver? [04:17] 29CDFF51 [04:17] yes it is, including keyserver.ubuntu.com [04:18] it's signed by a DD if that helps anything [04:18] should I send an email to keyring@tiber.tauware.de ? === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock washes his mouth out with soap and sits in the corner :( [04:18] nictuku: I think ajmitch is taking care of it ;-) [04:19] I thought so :-P [04:19] thanks ajmitch === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] will do in a min [04:27] goodnight everyone === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] nictuku: btw your upload is on the REVU page now [04:48] thank you [04:50] hey guys [04:50] hi Kyral [04:50] hey LJ [04:51] Gah gym felt good [04:51] and the shower after felt BETTER :D === predius_ [n=foo@predius.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === firehare [n=firehare@218.75.16.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === firehare [n=firehare@218.75.16.107] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:08] hello Kyral [05:09] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2164 I'd appreciate comments if you guys find some time [05:09] ajmitch [05:10] ok, 450GB ought to be about enough for building === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] hi ajmitch, Kyral [05:15] hello na7e [05:22] bye all === ajmitch waits for the install to finish [05:25] whatcha installin? [05:26] flight 5 [05:26] oh, cool === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] my hellish week of customizing the installer cd is finally over.....and i failed.... [05:33] na7e, try again :D [05:33] irvin, nein!!!!!!! [05:33] irvin, unless you wanna help [05:34] na7e, thanks but i'll pass ;) [05:35] crap, grub doesn't even load [05:35] irvin, can you try and see if my website is working? it should really just be a directory: http://www.sutton.cc [05:36] ajmitch, ouch, where specifically does it fail? not findin the partition? [05:36] na7e: no, I mean it doesn't even load [05:36] it just shows a blinking cursor [05:36] oh sweeeet [05:36] yeah [05:37] ajmitch, would you mind checkin to see if my website is publicly accessible? it's www.sutton.cc [05:37] and I made sure that /boot was on a physical partition :) === ajmitch can't reach it yet.. [05:37] ajmitch, hrm... [05:37] ajmitch, ok, thanks [05:37] ajmitch, i might have to do a port redirect thingie === ajmitch waits for the live cd to load === papyromancer [n=drew@cpe-24-165-210-176.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch attempts a nasty & evil hack === na7e cackles with ajmitch [05:48] I wasn't cackling [05:48] oh dear, that worked [05:48] lolz [05:48] obviously the bios & the kernel have different drive enumerations === ajmitch just copied the partition table & /boot from the first drive to the other 2 [05:49] so I lost my 2 swap partitions [05:49] hopefully I've got enough RAM not to need them :) [05:52] icky [05:52] quite [05:53] so I have to work out which one the bios thinks should be sda1 [05:53] oh man, thats so ugly [05:54] true [05:56] it could be worse [05:56] yeah....could it? ;) [05:57] sure, the whole thing could have failed to work at all [05:57] eg if my SATA controller wasn't supported properly [05:57] at least if it didn't work it would be clean cut that it simply didn't work. now you've got a mess [05:57] nah [05:58] now it'll take me about 5 minutes to work out which one is correct [05:58] & go from there [06:00] ALOHA [06:00] ups, sorry the caps [06:00] hi [06:01] otr [06:01] do u know any app for windows to detect hardware that hasn't been installed? (onboard stuff that need drivers) [06:02] this laptop is killing me [06:03] sorry, I don't do windows :) [06:03] neither do i [06:03] Gnight folks [06:04] hi [06:04] ajmitch: You're switching root drives? [06:06] StevenK: nah, not really [06:06] it's a fresh install on 3 SATA drives [06:06] Ah [06:07] so I'll have to migrate all my crap that's accumulated over the last 5 years or so onto a new install [06:07] more like about 7 years, actually [06:08] Heh [06:08] I switched /home's, and the old crap is still available via NFS. [06:08] that's the problem with debian systems [06:08] just no need to reinstall :) [06:09] nfs:/home/steven 29G 15G 13G 53% /media/infected [06:09] hah [06:09] infected? :) [06:10] Yes === ajmitch has a large area to dump crap in now [06:10] % hostname [06:10] liquified [06:10] /dev/mapper/scratch-scratch [06:10] 410G 129M 406G 1% /usr/local [06:10] Hah, I win [06:10] nfs:/srv/media 429G 391G 38G 92% /media/media [06:10] I bet it'll fill up in 6 months [06:11] I suspect so. === ajmitch is currently copying junk like music across from the laptop [06:11] poor wireless connection === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] hey Hobbsee === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee === Kyral ooops [06:12] You missed arseclown [06:12] poor Hobbsee, gets squashed all the time :) [06:12] hey ajmitch === Hobbsee thumps StevenK [06:12] ajmitch: Ugh. How much music? [06:12] hehe [06:12] Ow! === Kyral pulls out a lightsaber [06:12] StevenK: only about 5GB [06:12] StevenK: hehe! yes, i hit hard [06:12] Hobbsee: But I like jumping on you! [06:12] StevenK: you get off me NOW or I hurt you :P === StevenK gets up [06:13] LOL! [06:13] Good boy [06:13] everyone acting like kids in here === Hobbsee stands behind Kyral, and uses him as protection [06:13] I would hate to have to lop of your valubles [06:13] ajmitch: who, us? *looks innocent* [06:14] Heh [06:14] ajmitch: C'mon, goofing off is heathly [06:14] healthy even === drew_ [n=drew@cpe-24-165-210-176.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] hey ajmitch: you in the land of aussie still, or back in NZ? [06:17] anyway I'm going to bed [06:17] night all [06:17] night Kyral === Kyral tips his hat to the lady [06:18] :) [06:18] Hobbsee: back in NZ [06:18] ajmitch: lucky [06:19] yep :) [06:19] Whats so good about NZ... === Kyral runs off to bed before he gets SMACKED [06:19] it's not au [06:19] j/k, never been there [06:19] cya Kyral === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] never even been in that hemisphere even [06:20] Kyral: just that where ajmitch was (queensland) has a massive hurricane going through there at the moment [06:20] Kyral, gnite [06:20] Hobbsee: isn't it a cyclone ;-) [06:20] Hobbsee: thankfully that's a bit further north than brisbane, but I've got family up in cairns [06:20] ah ok, ouch [06:21] LaserJock: could be, i dont remember :P - it was asked if i was effected by it, and i remembered about ajmitch [06:21] & mackay [06:21] LaserJock: yes we call them cyclones here [06:22] I just thought it was odd that on the US news it turned into a cyclone even though we call them hurricanes [06:22] yeah [06:22] cyclone is the meteorological term :) === Hobbsee stopped doing geography long ago - she does not want to start doing it again! [06:23] it's a southern-northern thing tight? northern hemisphere it's a hurricane and southern it's a cyclone [06:23] aren't they also called typhoons? [06:23] they are [06:23] yeah, stupid Americans apparently don't agree with meteorologists ;-) [06:24] hehe [06:24] but I'm a US scientist so Im'used to the whole Imperial vs. Metric thing ;-) [06:24] yes, americans are stupid, who told them to use inches and all that rubbish anyway? === Hobbsee ducks! === na7e throws malone at Hobbsee === LaserJock lobs a meterstick in Hobbsee's direction j/k === ajmitch waits for apt-get dist-upgrade [06:25] painful slow [06:25] too many fixes since flight 5 [06:25] LOL! === Hobbsee throws malone back at na7e === Hobbsee throws a pound of cement at LaserJock [06:26] fun, winds of up to 290kmh [06:27] ajmitch, well, i have no idea how fast that is (americans......) [06:28] sigh.. [06:28] about 180mph [06:28] LaserJock: you're at UNR, right? [06:28] tritium: yeah [06:28] tritium: sandia? [06:28] LaserJock: yes. We have 2 of your alums in our dept. [06:29] tritium: cool, what field? [06:29] LaserJock: one is an E.E., and another has a degree in materials science, I believe [06:30] tritium: there is some cool materials science/mechanical eng. stuff here [06:31] LaserJock: yeah? [06:31] tritium: I'm into the nanoscience/surface surface science end of chemistry myself [06:31] cool [06:32] I was actually looking at sandia postdocs last night [06:33] LaserJock: that would rock if you came out here. [06:34] yeah, just need to convince my wife to move to NM. [06:34] It's beautiful. [06:35] well, we are from Montana so it would be pretty different ;-) [06:35] just a bit ;) [06:36] but we made it to NV so we are ~ half way there [06:36] It's very similar === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] alright, I gotta get to be [06:41] cya everybody [06:41] 'night [06:41] good night, crimsun [06:42] night crimsun [06:42] (actually that was for jordan) [06:43] heh, good night LaserJock [06:43] thanks crimsun ;-) [06:44] hehe [06:47] good morning people [06:47] morning Mithrandir [06:52] crimsun: sound works perfectly fine on kernel 19.29 [06:52] hi Mithrandir === drew_ [n=drew@cpe-24-165-210-176.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] crimsun: wireless does as well, which is useful seeing as there was an ipw2200 update :) [06:59] VGcats updated! === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnu_style [n=None@203.177.165.173] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] how can I become involved? [07:05] ajmitch: brilliant, thanks [07:05] how can I become involved? [07:06] isn't there a wiki page for that? I can't find it. [07:06] gnu_style: see the bottom of wiki.ubuntu.com [07:06] i think thta's where it is [07:06] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate <= this? [07:06] i'd say so === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] ok, got the right /boot sorted now :) === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] good morning everybody === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-214-128-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === woodwizzle [n=garage@user-0cej715.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] Hello, I'm planning on creating my own LiveCD based on ubuntu, much like the mono-livecd. [08:35] I'm just looking for some basic info to get me started, I've never done anything like it before and dunno where to begin [08:41] woodwizzle: take a look at wiki.ubuntu.com, I think there's a LiveCD customization howto [08:41] just found it thanks [08:41] I have some less technical, more legalish gpl questions though === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-083-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-74-71.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] Though I'll use this liveCD myself, my goal is to spread it to introduce people to linux, much like the mono liveCD [08:43] Is it OK for me to include the nvidia and ati drivers pre-installed? And if not, what would I need to do to make it ok., because these are vital for this project [08:46] licences included in those packets should tell that [08:47] juuva, you mean packages? [08:48] yes [08:49] haven't ever used those thou [08:50] is there a easy way to find those (on my system I mean) [08:50] yes [08:50] like is there something like a manpage [08:50] Spec, yes i can find them or yes i can include them? [08:50] there should be a COPYRIGHT file with every package [08:51] Spec, cool. didn't know that, that'll help me alot [08:51] is there a copyright command like man reads all the manpages? [08:51] > ( "As indicated in the NVIDIA Software License, Linux distributions [08:51] > are welcome to repackage and redistribute the NVIDIA Linux driver in [08:51] > whatever package format they wish." ) [08:52] although, you should read the licenses carefully [08:53] vim /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/copyright [08:53] I don't know anything about ATI, but I'm sure there's a copyright file with whatever packages install the ati driver [08:53] to find them easily, dpkg -L |grep -i copyright [08:57] Anyone know when the next CC meeting is? [09:11] Spec: not announced yet, afaik === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on fixing bugs, malone is full of them. === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by siretart at Fri Feb 24 15:35:58 2006 [04:11] anyone know why the vim-ruby package isn't built? I see an entry in the changelog about it being disable but I don't see a reason why [04:13] jamessan: probably better addressed to mdz === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marticus [n=demart01@12-210-128-9.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] ack [04:31] i wish i could do something for \sh [04:32] what's happening with him? [04:32] he's hungry. [04:32] What's the matter with \sh? [04:32] bddebian: read planet.u.c [04:34] d'oh, I was checking fridge [04:34] Egads, how can we get him some money? [04:35] i could send him $50 USD if i knew how [04:35] but it wouldn't help much in EU, i don't think [04:35] Yeah I'd send some too.. [04:35] oh! this is real? [04:36] my god! I can't imagine this happening to him ... [04:36] G0SUB: I don't take \sh as the type to kid about such things [04:36] honestly, I can't imagine this thing .... [04:36] he kind of did all this on purpose [04:36] Amaranth: can we talk to sabdfl ? [04:36] I'm a poor student and even I would send some... [04:37] i don't think he expected it to get this bad [04:37] Amaranth: ? [04:37] Amaranth: how did he do this on purpose? [04:37] he quit his job [04:37] well regardless the circumstances, it still sucks, and we're still a team [04:38] you can wire money anywhere with western union [04:38] i know [04:38] but we take a big cut [04:38] Is anyone near him? [04:38] tseng: you work for western union? :) [04:38] Amaranth: why did he quit his job without any savings? [04:38] Amaranth: my company owns 51% of WU [04:38] G0SUB: burnout [04:38] Amaranth: we are spinning them off [04:38] we need some way of contacting him [04:39] Amaranth: can't sabdfl help too? [04:39] *shrug* [04:39] hell, he hasn't eaten since the last few days !! [04:40] Well he was able to post that, does his e-mail still work? === malte` [n=malte@host-84-220-11-40.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] hi [04:41] bddebian: there are internet cafes in europe === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] Well SOMEONE has to be close to him. What about ogra? [04:42] where does he live? Germany? [04:42] yes [04:42] his neighbor has open wlan [04:42] G0SUB: he used to work with ogra [04:42] tseng: oh, yeah ... I heard ogra introduced him to Ubuntu [04:43] Hell, if 4 people would wire him 50$ he could have enough until the unemployment office starts paying [04:43] I'd be one of the four if I knew how to [04:43] when last did someone here from him? i've been concerned too, even though I haven't met him in real life or anything. [04:43] I could probably send like $100 USD [04:44] Seveas: if something like that were done, it should be done *very* discretely, otherwise it may set a bad president [04:44] ``bad president'' ? [04:44] i'm quite broke myself but i could also manage 10-20 $ [04:44] precident [04:44] aah [04:44] G0SUB: what Amaranth said :) [04:44] precedent even ;) [04:44] bah [04:44] heh [04:44] hehe [04:44] bad president is what they have in the US : [04:45] Seveas: that's debatable... [04:45] the english-as-second-language folks win again [04:45] Oh I was waiting for that [04:45] what happened to SexySpellEntry? [04:45] oh, "bad", sorry. [04:45] highvoltage, of course, but please not here [04:45] I missed that part :) [04:45] ogra: ping? [04:45] back to \sh [04:46] if someone's willing to manage the fund-raising [04:46] i'm willing to transfer some money into your account that can be transfered to him again [04:46] does he have a paypal a/c ? [04:46] or any bank a/c ? [04:46] G0SUB: I was thinking about that too [04:46] unless you want it eaten by something like western union twice it'd be best to just send it to him direct [04:47] bddebian: IMO, we can at least comment on his blog [04:47] paypal would be useless if it wasn't hooked up to his bank [04:47] we'd just be sending money into the ether [04:47] yeah, another issue [04:47] Amaranth, I could do the fundraising [04:47] NL->DE is free [04:47] so you only pay WU once [04:48] you could send it via paypal to one account and then wire it [04:49] but someone local to him needs to get hold of his bank account number [04:51] ``Let's see, if everything gets more worse, then I'll try to contact Ogra to pick up some stuff which belongs to others then me.'' [04:52] I am sure ogra can get in touch with him [04:52] if only ogra would respond now === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] germany is +1, right? [04:53] btw, isn't there a CC meeting soon? [04:53] or did i just miss it? [04:53] yea, in 10 mins === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Seveas] : 7Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on fixing bugs, malone is full of them. [04:53] argh [04:53] mouse was in the topic thing === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Seveas] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on fixing bugs, malone is full of them. [04:55] Seveas: can we put this fundraiser in the CC meet agenda? [04:55] probably not [04:55] hmm [04:55] indeed [04:55] we only need a couple people to help [04:55] it's not something that should be run by Ubuntu [04:55] i agree [04:55] but to create awareness I mean [04:56] no, that's not good [04:56] i understand now [04:56] I don't think \sh would want that either [04:56] but he is starving ... [04:56] G0SUB: i would think that ideally, as few as possible people should know about this [04:57] no money is ok. but he hasn't eaten since a long time [04:57] there are 100 people here [04:57] Yes, we don't want to embarass anyone, just help the poor guy [04:57] G0SUB, so ogra needs to respond and we can start collecting [04:57] so you arent exactly keeping a secret [04:57] yes [04:57] tseng: Aye, good point :-( === Spec__ [n=spec@dsl092-151-006.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] tseng: add to that the fact that his blog is on planet.u.c [04:57] ouch [04:58] more than embarassment, if word gets out, we may have many people suddenlty blogging about needing money- not good [04:58] G0SUB: yeah. [04:58] it'll cost $20 to send $50 [04:58] tseng, true, but the 100 in here know \sh somewhat - the community at large not [04:58] Amaranth, eew [04:58] highvoltage: i think you are a little off base === Spec [n=spec@linus.yorktown.arlington.k12.va.us] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] sending it via mail is cheaper [04:58] Seveas: but then it won't get there for a week or so [04:58] agh! [04:59] Amaranth, that's not neccessarily an issue [04:59] hrm [04:59] i'll willing to pay the $20 [04:59] Seveas: (why not) [04:59] just saying ouch [04:59] I mean, if I know how much would 'come in' it's easy for me to transfer that in advance [04:59] $70 USD is no big deal to me [05:00] ah [05:00] As I said, I can do $100USD [05:00] and if you americans combine forces then the WU load will be less [05:01] I'd like to cath ogra first to see if it would be easier to go through him somehow === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] yeah, me too [05:01] yeah, we have to go through ogra eventually anyhow [05:02] I'm almost certain it would be easier [05:02] but it's nice to have options [05:04] heya ... [05:04] ogra!! [05:04] i havent heard from \sh since quite some time ... [05:04] ogra: Are you near him? [05:05] i tried to call him after his last entry but didnt reach him [05:05] about 60-80km away [05:05] yeah, he says his phone is shut off [05:05] in germany they only disable you from making cals the first month ... [05:05] *calls [05:06] "Oh, if you want to call me, and I don't answer the phone, please don't expect, that I'm calling back, my phone lines are canceled, until I pay them." [05:06] you can still be called [05:06] ah [05:06] is their some meta package with debug symbols? I want to do a backtrace on epiphany but no idea which debug symbol package i should get [05:06] ok, if we give you money, can you drive to him? [05:06] sure [05:07] Can we paypal ogra? :) [05:07] no idea, i have no paypal account and i dont know if my bank accepts paypal transfers [05:07] Bah :-) [05:07] ok, i guess western union [05:07] might be possible, but i have no idea how ... :) [05:08] spacey: spacey look at the backtrace of your crash without debug symbols to get an idea which debug packages you want :) [05:08] slomo: hmm ok :) === papyromancer [n=drew@cpe-24-165-210-176.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] spacey: in the worst case you have to rebuild epiphany-browser with debug symbols as it has no debug package [05:09] hmm ok [05:10] Bah, screw Western Union, there HAS to be a better way [05:11] you can transfer it to my account ... lets talk after the meeting .. [05:11] oh crap, meeting [05:11] ogra, cool === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sixE18 [n=asteroid@84.4.38.69] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] hi [05:36] apt-cache show linphone say me : 1.0.1-6ubuntu7. But on debian and on the official linphone page it's the 1.3.* release. Who contact to have this packet up to date [05:37] ? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] we're way past upstream version freeze (UVF) [05:37] does 1.3 fix any _critical_ (as in your computer explodes) bugs over 1.0.1? [05:38] bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~$ sudo apt-cache madison linphone [05:38] Password: [05:38] linphone | 1.2.0-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages [05:38] linphone | 1.2.0-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources [05:38] and breezy keep in his state ? [05:39] breezy will not be updated. It froze in October. [05:39] haaa thx [05:40] what exactly is a 'bug triager'? [05:40] someone how does something with bug reports? [05:40] someone who trawls the bugtracker and updates bugs [05:41] e.g., asks for more info, reassigns, closes, etc. === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] ok, kewl. i always thought it had something to do with resolving bugs directly. thanks for clearing that for me. [05:42] bddebian: whoa, I didn't know about apt-cache madison [05:42] cool, thanks === highvoltage just learned about apt-cache madison from ogra today too [05:43] azeem: Gotta be good for something once in a while :-) [05:43] megakarma, toldya [05:45] crimsun: pfft :) === malte__ [n=malte@host-84-220-42-78.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === papyromancer [n=drew@cpe-24-165-210-176.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] linphone integre webcam since 1.2.99, why keep on 1.2.0 ? === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] because we're in upstream version freeze. We've been in UVF since February. [05:50] There had better be a darned good (i.e., critical) reason to upgrade at this point. [05:52] ok [05:53] Gents, I have to head to lunch, can someone please let me know about \sh [05:54] someone will, I'm sure [05:54] thx \o_ === sixE18 [n=asteroid@84.4.38.69] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-209-160.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-152-1-44-60.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-124-126.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] hello [06:34] lo [06:35] what the purpose of the new package evince-gtk (version 0.5.1) that appears today on the universe repository ? there is already a "evince" package (version 0.5.2) :/ [06:35] it strips the gnome bits [06:35] we need it for xubuntu-desktop [06:35] crimsun, oh, ok ! [06:35] probably best if janimo knows about 0.5.2, though he's very active, and I'm sure it'll be updated shortly [06:35] i haven't think about xfce [06:36] yes, there are other desktops =) [06:36] also, the checkinstall package for dapper doesn't work [06:36] that's not necessarily a bad thing ;) [06:36] and is out of date [06:37] (since there is a 1.6.0 version on the checkinstall website, with a .deb) === dholbach smirks at crimsun :) [06:37] .debs don't help, we need the source package [06:37] well, even Debian only has 1.5.3-3 [06:38] and if we don't know what it changes, what it breaks and what it fixes, it can't go in atm [06:38] crimsun, yes, but if there is a package in the repository, it should works lol [06:38] we're in UpstreamVersionFreeze [06:38] yes, i know [06:38] in FeatureFreeze and UIFreeze too [06:38] anyway this the 1.6.0 package works fine on dapper :D [06:39] Bug #281823: checkinstall: filesystem coruption [06:39] that is an AWESOME reason. [06:39] dholbach: I installed a custom kernel and now usplash doesn't work ... I see it only when shutting down or rebooting but no progress bar [06:39] any idea how to troubleshoot it? [06:41] G0SUB: have you rebuilt an initramfs with it in? [06:41] sladen: not explicitly ... how to do that? [06:44] sladen: any idea? [06:46] G0SUB: sudo mkinitramfs `uname -r` [06:46] ok [06:46] G0SUB: what are you requring a custom kernel for? [06:46] G0SUB: if it's a feature that you require, it would be better to get it into the standard kernel. [06:47] sladen: I usually use the CK patchset and also because of the fact that CPU Freq. scaling doesn't work with the stock kernel [06:47] i will file a bug on this [06:47] wrt the speedstep issue [06:48] ck rulez [06:49] Erlang: heh [06:49] sladen: where do I put the initramfs image after generating it? /boot? [06:50] My mouse is very jumpy with the standard kernel in Eclipse. RT and CK solve the problem. [06:50] FYI I don't use a initrd image === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] G0SUB: yes, it'll pop it into /boot and "Just do" everything for you [06:54] sladen: oh, really ? great [06:55] G0SUB: please file a bug against powernowd if CPU scaling doesn't work [06:55] but why does it force me to use -o outfile? [06:55] sladen: yes [06:55] G0SUB: sorry, sudo update-initramfs -u `uname -r` [06:56] *that* should do everything for you [06:56] sladen: aah, thanks a lot! [06:56] brb, new kernel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] hi [07:06] hi Tonio_ === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] sladen: it worked, thanks a lot [07:16] ogra, ping [07:16] Seveas: yeah, sorry. I thought I was here :( === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmon [n=monnahan@190.Red-81-35-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@wybostonlakes.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:09] Hey gents, any word on the \sh situation? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] bddebian: I asked Seveas and he pinged ogra but no response yet [08:11] LaserJock: OK, thanks === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=Szilvesz@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] hi people [08:16] evening phanatic [08:16] hey Gloubiboulga [08:17] hi phanatic and Gloubiboulga [08:18] hey LaserJock [08:19] hi LaserJock === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-124-126.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === malte__ is now known as malte` === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F8ADC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084C05D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phlaegel_ [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] Hi, I have short question. What is meant in flight 5 with "Graphical Power Tools" ? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F8ADC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] ok, something's not right... this is the second time in a week that I came back to my PC after a couple hours and the HDD activity is going nuts, but the screen is blanked (gnome-screensaver) and the system is totally unresponsive [09:18] can you sssh into that box? [09:19] and check what's working it so hard? [09:19] I rebooted it [09:19] it's this box, actually [09:19] hrm [09:19] so no debugging [09:19] is /var/ full? [09:19] cups doesn't like that and spins like mad [09:19] you know, I hit Ctrl+Alt+F5 and got to a login after several minutes [09:20] so I tried logging in. it took about a minute for it to prompt for the password, and then 5 minutes after entering the password some of the MOTD text or whatever it is showed up. I waited 30 more minutes and it still never gave me the bash prompt [09:20] that's not nice [09:21] dolson: It happened to me once. [09:21] there's over 1GB free on / which is where var is.. so that's not it. plus I don't have a printer, lol [09:22] dholbach, What is meant in flight 5 with "Graphical Power Tools" http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5 I see that just gdebi is described. Do you have a hint where I can find more information? [09:23] dolson: It happened to me just last week. I had to reset too I could not get the system to come back on it's feet. [09:23] I linked the problem to Gaim that I had retried the night before. I have not used it since. [09:23] littlepaul: you should maybe ask the guys who wrote the page, maybe ask in #ubuntu-doc [09:23] Erlang: hmm.. that's very strange. [09:24] Erlang: I was running gnome-xchat or whatever it is, Gaim, Evolution, and Blam!.. shouldn't lock up though [09:24] Most of the time I only use KDE apps and never had that problem. [09:25] I blame the government [09:26] GAIM is still the potential culprit. If I had some guts I'd setup something to diagnosticate that but I need ths computer to work. [09:27] I'm not sure how I could test that [09:28] There must be some process monitoring tools somewhere. I seriously suspect Gaim has it's the only non-usual app I was running when it happened. It may be something else gnomey though... [09:28] the only other thing that I could link it to is the fact that I did some updates and didn't reboot when it told me to.. (hal) [09:29] but I don't think that was the case the first time it happened [09:29] I never reboot when I'm told. That reminds me too much of Windows. [09:30] I know... [09:31] next it's gonna be "Ubuntu has detected that you wish to press spacebar. You must reboot to acknowledge this change" [09:31] I'll be back to Debian by then... [09:32] in all the years I ran Debian, I only ever rebooted during a power failure long enough to knock down my UPS or after a kernel upgrade, and even then sometimes I waited for the next power failure before booting into the new kernel [09:32] that's the Linux way... === Erlang looks for bugs on Gaim === tdjb [i=tdjb@216.222.48.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] I reboot all the time. I shut off my computer at least once a day. But that is just me [09:35] yeah, it is [09:36] Erlang: do you run Beagle, by any chance? I didn't have it installed the first time it happened... but you never know.. [09:36] No I don't. [09:36] it's sitting there right now using between 66 and 95% [09:37] has anyone noticed lately that certain upgrades in dapper that tell you to reboot, when you chose to reboot from the gui, it just sits there? [09:38] yeah.. I thought that was because I was running a custom kernel though [09:39] ohh, I am too I guess.... I build straight from linus's git tree frequently [09:39] with a few local modifications [09:40] I used an -rt patch for a while [09:40] but not lately.. this was a lockup on a normal kernel [09:41] I'm moved from -rt to -ck lately. I must say I'm satisfied. [09:41] do you do a lot of work with JACK? [09:42] oh cool, the GPL was held up in court. nice. I missed that news yesterday [09:42] No. I don't do audio processing. I've found -rt and -ck patch improve the responsiveness of Eclipse and Java apps. [09:43] ah, well the -ck isn't so good for realtime audio stuff [09:44] I'm better off with -ck then. It seems more stable than -rt. [09:45] yeah, well, rt is almost 2MB of a patch, heh. that's nothing to snort at. there's bound to be problems with it. I don't remember how big ck is, but it's more widely used and generally stabler [09:46] Studio to Go! ships with the ck patches, apparently. so I'm guessing that it's a bit better than a vanilla kernel for audio [09:47] I've read ck is configurable for some different types of load. I have not looked much into that though. [09:48] it has a scheduler for non-priveleged users to access near-realtime sceduler, and it's transparent.. pretty cool, although not needed if you want to allow FIFO access to a user via PAM or set_rlimits or realtime-lsm === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] I'll start gaim for a few. [09:56] I don't think its a kernel issue though because a shutdown -h now from the console works fine [09:56] it's just the gui can't seem to shutdown after certain upgrades [10:06] psusi: I'll test that next time I have to reboot and see what happens [10:07] it's only after my ~weekly update === dolson just discovered xmoto is a cool game [10:13] dholbach: going to say good night to us? ;-) [10:13] good night guys [10:13] cya dholbach [10:17] cya dholbach === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084C05D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gage [n=jeff@twinlark.arctic.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@115.Red-80-24-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmon [n=monnahan@247.Red-83-41-251.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] guys, where can i read about setting dependancies for multi-binary packages? i made one for mpeg4ip, which has separate -lib and -server and -player components, but my -server deb ended up depending on stuff that only the player should need, like gtk. [10:58] gage: are you setting the dependencies in debian/control? [11:00] yeah, i guess this part is what's screwing me up? : ${shlibs:Depends} [11:01] morning [11:02] Heya ajmitch === redguy [n=mati@act11.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD9E2B9F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu