[12:08] <thedarkener> What's up everyone - I'm considering Edubuntu for a customer of mine (I'm a network consultant and fluent in linux) - Does Edubuntu have any types of internet / URL filtering mechanism?
[12:09] <Burgwork> thedarkener, currently not packaged
[12:10] <ogra> sure
[12:10] <Burgwork> available, however
[12:10] <ogra> there are squidguard and dansguardian ... they are in universe, not preinstalled and not configured by default though
[12:12] <thedarkener> awesome... now I've never done a true terminal server setup, if i installed squidguard though, i'm assuming i could just install it on the term. svr and it will effect all clients?
[12:12] <ogra> the users are logged in on the server ...
[12:13] <ogra> so what you want is to shape the network access there, not on the clients ...
[12:14] <ogra> think of the clients as additional mouse/monitor/keyboard for the server, nothing else ...
[12:14] <thedarkener> right... ok stupid question. ;) do any of you have exp. in squidguard or dansguardian? I've never used either but would like to know impressions of each
[12:14] <ogra> both need frequent updates of black/whitelists ...
[12:14] <Burgwork> we use dansguardian at work here. It works if you maintain them
[12:14] <ogra> and you'll need someone on site who knows it ...
[12:15] <thedarkener> <--- someone who will need to know it
[12:15] <thedarkener> ;)
[12:15] <thedarkener> maintenance...is there a global blacklist to maintain? or are you just talking about users complaining they can't get to site X?
[12:15] <ogra> the thing is, the setup for such a filtering is a bit tricky ...
[12:16] <thedarkener> i'm fluent in iptables/firewalls so i don't think the technical aspect will be too difficult for me
[12:16] <thedarkener> just a bit confused as to "maintenance"
[12:17] <ogra> you need to maintain the rules and restrictions ...
[12:17] <thedarkener> i'm sorry if i'm being dumb... can you define 'maintain' on a more technical level for me?
[12:18] <ogra> keep the lists up to date :)
[12:18] <thedarkener> lol
[12:18] <thedarkener> do they have expiration dates? =)
[12:18] <ogra> add/remove entries :)
[12:18] <ogra> nope, but the web changes ...
[12:19] <thedarkener> ok...well i guess i already knew that, just confused
[12:19] <thedarkener> hehe
[12:19] <ogra> my preferred solution we hopefully will ship with the october release is willow...
[12:19] <thedarkener> hrm
[12:19] <ogra> it uses bayesian filtering and is able to update itself
[12:19] <thedarkener> tell me more
[12:19] <thedarkener> nice
[12:19] <ogra> additionally to white and blacklists you can define
[12:20] <thedarkener> i'm not sure i agree with bayesian filtering, but again like i said i've never used filtering software before and my customer probably wouldn't mind a more restrictive ruleset than allowing others
[12:20] <thedarkener> of course a whitelist might seem like a better idea..
[12:20] <thedarkener> but i won't get into a religious battle ;)
[12:21] <thedarkener> Thank you guys very much
[12:21] <ogra> if you have a customer that wants strict rules, thats fine
[12:22] <ogra> if you have to teach biology at school and your students shall look up stuff about pregnate teens that had sex before 15,, that gets tricky 
[12:22] <thedarkener> haha
[12:22] <thedarkener> true
[12:22] <thedarkener> well how bout this
[12:22] <ogra> thats where the maintenance gets really hard 
[12:23] <thedarkener> what about access restrictions? i'm sure edubuntu is good at restricting shell access to sudoers, etc. right? admin tasks?
[12:23] <ogra> its not as good as it should in breezy ... i'd suggest to wait for the dapper (july) release
[12:23] <ogra> there you can completely control the desktop access of users
[12:24] <ogra> it also hides all admin task entries in the menu if youre not in the appropriate group
[12:24] <thedarkener> ooooo nice
[12:24] <ogra> breezy didnt do that ...
[12:25] <ogra> pessulus and sabayon enable you to create lockdown profiles for different groups of users
[12:25] <thedarkener> in gnome specifically i presume?
[12:26] <enyc> darn
[12:26] <enyc> ran out f disk space
[12:26] <enyc> this edubuntu builds a while LTSP root thing
[12:26] <enyc> ks...
[12:26] <enyc> so...
[12:26] <enyc> too much space usage ;-(
[12:26] <thedarkener> ick
[12:26] <thedarkener> hehe
[12:27] <ogra> for the default install you should have ~3G free space ...
[12:27] <thedarkener> that shouldn't be a problem
[12:27] <ogra> ltsp eats some space for the chroot ... and the educational apps are big as well ... so edubuntu is a bit bigger than ubuntu 
[12:27] <enyc> heh
[12:27] <enyc> darn
[12:28] <enyc> this is a weir dlaptop with a 2gb disk;-)
[12:28] <thedarkener> time to delete some apps ;)
[12:28] <enyc> so thats why it wont fit then ;-)
[12:28] <thedarkener> for a server? wow
[12:28] <thedarkener> hehe
[12:28] <thedarkener> nice try thou
[12:28] <enyc> not for server
[12:28] <enyc> just default install
[12:28] <ogra> it will get tight, but you could try the workstation install :)
[12:28] <enyc> i see i see
[12:28] <ogra> the default install is the server install ...
[12:28] <enyc> i was jsut stesting the new edubuntu-instaler fluight-5 for you....
[12:28] <enyc> i see isee
[12:28] <enyc> aah
[12:28] <enyc> o
[12:28] <ogra> it installs ltsp ...
[12:28] <enyc> i se
[12:29] <enyc> ewhich installs a seaparate image ?
[12:29] <enyc> for the ltsp root
[12:29] <ogra> yep, its a separate system inside the system ...
[12:29] <enyc> basically a copy of everything
[12:29] <enyc> i see
[12:29] <enyc> but..
[12:29] <enyc> how does that get updated later etc. /
[12:29] <enyc> ?
[12:29] <enyc> with updated packages in the host system and soforth
[12:30] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update 
[12:30] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get upgrade
[12:30] <enyc> aah so you have to do that separately
[12:30] <ogra> thats it :)
[12:30] <enyc> i see
[12:30] <enyc> and you can have a separate chroot for powerpc and thigns?
[12:30] <ogra> yep, but it gets tricky to set up powerpc on i386 ...
[12:30] <enyc> i see
[12:30] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[12:30] <enyc> qemu can be handy !
[12:31] <ogra> will have a tool to care for updates at some point
[12:31] <ogra> quemu is far from being usable for that 
[12:31] <ogra> i did tests 
[12:31] <enyc> hrrmm
[12:31] <enyc> darn
[12:31] <enyc> kk
[12:31] <enyc> qemu ahs the user-mode-emulation so you can run  ppc binary and thinsg
[12:32] <ogra> yep, i experimented with it ... i think it might be ready for revisiting in two or three ubuntu releases 
[12:33] <Burgwork> ogra, with regards to the UI for ltsp manager, you might want to consider http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/controls-notebooks.html
[12:33] <ogra> its for sure not mature enough ... 
[12:33] <Burgwork> and you might want to consider changing the first run into an actual wizard
[12:33] <enyc> erm
[12:33] <ogra> what for ? 
[12:34] <Burgwork> the build ltsp enviroment section?
[12:34] <enyc> how are toools like that pictured for 'LTSPmanager' written?
[12:34] <ogra> you only can select one thing (if any, thats even a cornercase) and watch the progressbar
[12:34] <enyc> with all those menus and everything...
[12:34] <enyc> some kind of scripting thing?
[12:34] <ogra> thats glade and python
[12:34] <enyc> aaaaaaaha
[12:34] <ogra> glade for the gui, python for the rest
[12:35] <enyc> thats really really handy
[12:35] <ogra> Burgwork, it will be a prerequisite for running the whole app ... a wizard is really overkill here, i think ...
[12:35] <enyc> amazing how all these FOSS programming tools have come along well
[12:36] <Burgwork> ogra, a wizard can be a single screen. It is more about consistency
[12:36] <ogra> you either click ok and let it create the chroot or you dont and the app exits
[12:36] <ogra> and all you get is a progressbar ... i dotn want to scare people with too much output ...
[12:37] <ogra> consistency with what btw ? 
[12:38] <Burgwork> any other setup dialog
[12:38] <Burgwork> observe the xchat-gnome or evolution ones
[12:38] <ogra> <-- is the biggest wizard hater he personally knows
[12:38] <Burgwork> I am not much of fan, but they can well written
[12:38] <ogra> yes, thats one of the reasons i dont use xchat-gnome ;)
[12:38] <crimsun> the gajim one isn't horrible
[12:39] <ogra> and i dont like the evo one ...
[12:39] <Burgwork> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/001nov04/features/evolution/figs/evo-setup.png
[12:40] <Burgwork> that is what I am talking about
[12:40] <Burgwork> just make it one page, with a "create ltsp" button
[12:40] <ogra> yep, thats what i was talking about as well 
[12:40] <Burgwork> that is what you hate?
[12:41] <Burgwork> for me, it is about "feels like, smells like, is" idea
[12:41] <ogra> a huuuge ugly and scary window for a single sentence 
[12:41] <Burgwork> one sentence?
[12:41] <ogra> and even the classic "Please click the forward button" *shudder*
[12:41] <Burgwork> you don't need the splash screen
[12:42] <Burgwork> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ltsp-manager_build_client.png
[12:42] <Burgwork> that has a lot more than one sentence
[12:42] <ogra> yes
[12:42] <ogra> its a prototype of an app ;)
[12:42] <Burgwork> that is the page I would convert
[12:42] <iGotNoTime> I have nothing but frustration with the other distros! None would recognize my wifi card in my laptop. I finally installed Edubuntu and it works.
[12:42] <Burgwork> and then just jump to a dialog box with a prgress bar
[12:43] <iGotNoTime> So ogra I will be with you all for a while I guess :)
[12:43] <ogra> the sentence can go away 
[12:43] <Burgwork> It should say "Choose your client's processor type"
[12:43] <iGotNoTime> Does Edubuntu somehow utilize the ndiswrapper automatically?
[12:44] <ogra> (the arch selection will only happen on multiarch systems, people setting up multiple arches wont want to use the gui for maintaining it, they'll do way more fine grained configs)
[12:44] <Burgwork> is there a use case for allowing people to install two arches on the same machine?
[12:44] <iGotNoTime> even in Ku I couldn't edit the settings :P
[12:44] <Burgwork> ie, should it be checkboxes?
[12:44] <ogra> yes, there is, but you cant do it at the same time ...
[12:45] <ogra> so checkboxes would be pointless ... you can only have one choice
[12:45] <Burgwork> you can't create two environments at the same time?
[12:45] <ogra> but as i said, the case of multiarches does only happen in very specific cases
[12:46] <ogra> you can create 100, but your guis wont repond anymore and it will take ages ;)
[12:46] <ogra> bootstrapping is a very slow process done over the network ... :)
[12:46] <Burgwork> realistically we are only looking at 4 or 5 arches, no?
[12:46] <ogra> nope
[12:46] <ogra> 3
[12:46] <NickGarvey> is there a site that I would be able to give to a network admin at my school to help nudge him to make a room linux based?  and my school uses a windows based network, would they be able to set up linux to access the network?  I have heard of samba but I am unsure after reading their site what it allows linux clients to do
[12:47] <Burgwork> what about sunrays?
[12:47] <ogra> ltsp only knows powerpc, i386 and amd64 
[12:47] <ogra> i have a sparc patch that waits for dapper+1 
[12:47] <Burgwork> ah
[12:47] <Burgwork> regardless, this is dapper+1 stuff
[12:47] <ogra> nobody confirmed sparc being official in dapper ...
[12:47] <Burgwork> we can talk UI for an LTSP manager at the next conference
[12:48] <Burgwork> the fact that it exists is cool enough
[12:49] <ogra> note that there will also be a menu at the top ....
[12:49] <ogra> i havent had time for a mockup yet ...
[12:49] <ogra> there shall be some menu driven actions ...
[12:50] <iGotNoTime> Burgwork, considering that UI for LTSP and what NickGarvey is asking about could you tell me what this is? http://www.redianet.com/img/pantallazo2.gif
[12:50] <iGotNoTime> is that not similar to what NickGarvey is asking for?
[12:51] <iGotNoTime> High Voltage gave a link to that a few days ago
[12:51] <Burgwork> that is a program to control and view students deskops
[12:52] <ogra> NickGarvey, samba should integrate any linux system fine into a windows network ... i'd suggest the o'rilley samba book ...
[12:52] <Burgwork> NickGarvey is asking for help about how to use samba to file share in a windows environment
[12:52] <iGotNoTime> It appears to be a way the 'teacher' could monitor the 'students' desktops and activites?
[12:52] <iGotNoTime> ok I am way off base then :(
[12:52] <Burgwork> don't worry about it
[12:52] <iGotNoTime> ducking back embarassed again :P
[12:53] <Burgwork> the only way to learn is to chew on a few toes first :)
[12:53] <iGotNoTime> :P
[12:53] <NickGarvey> ok so samba would do the job based on what my school would need?
[12:53] <NickGarvey> sounds like it but want to be sure :)
[12:53] <ogra> what exactly *does* your school need ... ?
[12:54] <Burgwork> NickGarvey, access the network covers such a broad range ...
[12:54] <Burgwork> if they mean, surf the internet, routers and cables don't care what OS is pushing them
[12:54] <Burgwork> if you mean connecting to windows shares, then samba is what you need
[12:54] <ogra> as i said, samba will bring your linux machines into a win based network ... but samba cant replace a windows PDC completely for example
[12:54] <NickGarvey> hoping to do a ltsp connection, have a linux server, and that server be able to access the windows network on the school system, access internet
[12:55] <Burgwork> if you mean AD single sign on, you need samba4, which isn't out yet
[12:55] <ogra> no problem then
[12:55] <ogra> Burgwork, he didnt talk about AD :)
[12:55] <NickGarvey> what is AD?
[12:55] <ogra> active directory 
[12:55] <NickGarvey> to google!
[12:55] <ogra> a windows authentication mechanism
[12:56] <ogra> (in fact its microsoft raping ldap and kerberos)
[12:57] <NickGarvey> I do not believe it is like that..
[12:57] <NickGarvey> I'm a sophormore, this will be a junior or senior project, plenty of time to learn up
[12:58] <ogra> just having sammba working on the linux machine should already give you what you want ... edubuntu installs ltsp and samba for you, you just need to configure the samba stuff ...
[12:59] <NickGarvey> one last question, is there an easy way I could test if the computers were network booting compatible? I can easily run the knoppix terminal server, and I can boot it from my laptop for instance, but not one of the desktops, even though I turned it on in the BIOS, and thus I would like to try to do a quick test to find out if those computers could boot from a terminal server before setting it all up
[12:59] <ogra> you can always use a ootflopy or bootCD to make them netbootable :)
[01:00] <ogra> *bootfloppy
[01:00] <NickGarvey> oh alright thats excellent
[01:00] <NickGarvey> thanks a lot, lets hope I can convince them to upgrade to linux :)
[01:01] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[01:02] <NickGarvey> oh good thank you, ubuntu/edubuntu has great documentation, one of my favorite parts of the distro
[01:02] <ogra> :)
[01:04] <ogra> Burgwork, btw, kodos to the docteam, i read the server guide on the weekend ... thats waesome documentation ...
[01:04] <ogra> *awesome
[01:04] <Burgwork> I will pass that along
[01:05] <ogra> i still have to write a ton of ltsp howtos ...
[01:05] <ogra> you can do a lot of intresting things with our ltsp nobody apart from me knows about :)
[01:06] <Burgwork> things that you cannot do with other implementations?
[01:06] <Burgwork> do I understand correctly that our version of ltsp is a groundup rewrite?
[01:07] <ogra> things that requires only one or two changes to make our ltsp something completely different ;)
[01:07] <ogra> (while you'd have to create a complete new environment and adjust a lot in other implementations)
[01:07] <ogra> yes, it is
[01:08] <ogra> we use one tool from ltsp.org in our iplementation (thats getltscfg, the parser that reads the config file)
[01:08] <Burgwork> is ltsp.org going to migrate to our implementation?
[01:08] <ogra> the rest is totally distro specific and brandnew
[01:09] <ogra> how should they
[01:09] <ogra> they write a universal tool that builds on top of every distro
[01:10] <ogra> we have an optimized version that only runs on ubuntu and debian 
[01:10] <ogra> we share the same specification
[01:10] <Burgwork> ah
[01:10] <ogra> both is so called "muecow ltsp"
[01:11] <ogra> since ltsp.org itself steps back a bit and wants to move the essential bits into the distros
[01:11] <ogra> they want the distros to use their own packages and just be the glue inbetween
[01:12] <ogra> (as we do it in ubuntu already)
[01:13] <Burgwork> ok
[01:13] <iGotNoTime> wow did you guys know that the Edubuntu still logs IRC while in hibernate mode?
[01:13] <ogra> i.e. our ltsp uses debootstrap to build the environment and some scripts to install X and the loginmanager ...
[01:13] <iGotNoTime> I find something more impressive everyday :P
[01:15] <Burgwork> ogra, how are you with rsync?
[01:16] <ogra> Burgwork, fine thanks ...
[01:17] <ogra> :)
[01:17] <ogra> it works if i need it ...
[01:17] <ogra> (what the hell do you mean ?? *g*)
[01:17] <Burgwork> if I have two copies of a home, dir, one old and one new, and I rsync them, will the old one be replaced by the new?
[01:18] <ogra> oh ...
[01:18] <ogra> hmm
[01:18] <ogra> it should replace the old one, yes
[01:18] <Burgwork> ok
[01:18] <Burgwork> I am about to put some more glue on our completely broken IT infrastructure at work here
[01:19] <ogra> ah
[01:19] <Burgwork> going to rsync the home dirs between three different machines, for distributed backup and ease of changing computers
[01:19] <Burgwork> a totally hacky solution, but hey :)
[01:20] <ogra> thats not hacky !
[01:20] <ogra> thats how things worked since the beginning of time :)
[01:20] <Burgwork> I am only distributing the home folder, not the actual authentication
[01:20] <ogra> (at least in the unix world)
[01:22] <ogra> (which meant we couldnt use shadow, but didnt need to use nis)
[01:25] <Burgwork> is there a switch to tell rsync to mirror the contents? (ie, if something changed in A, change in B and if it changed in B, copy to A?)
[01:28] <ogra> no idea, i didnt use it for years apart from rsyncing isos ...
[01:28] <ogra> man rsync shopuld be able to tell you ;)
[01:31] <Burgwork> hmm, doesn't appear to
[01:31] <Burgwork> I was hoping for a -m mirror option
[01:37] <thedarkener> why not just create a script to rsync both ways?
[01:38] <bimberi> Burgwork: i know 'unison' does 2-way synchronisation
[01:38] <Burgwork> yes, looking at that right now
[01:39] <Burgwork> anybody got real world use with unison?
[01:42] <bimberi> i've used it for synchro between laptop and server (via the internet) as well as home backup.  Works very well.  Doesn't run a daemon, uses ssh (so no extra open ports)
[01:42] <Burgwork> this would be all internal initially
[01:44] <bimberi> fairly small scale in my case, so it would prompt me for every change.  However i'm pretty sure you can set it to be more automatic, so that it only prompts you if both ends have changed since the last synchro (and you might even be able to default that to just keep the newest)
[01:45] <bimberi> ... bit dangerous though :)
[01:46] <Burgwork> maybe I should but all the home dirs in bzr branches...
[01:46] <Burgwork> mostly that is not going to be an issue
[01:47] <ogra> you'd need your users to commit their changes ;)
[01:47] <ogra> i was planning something like that for ltsp manager
[01:47] <Burgwork> can I just commit my users?
[01:48] <ogra> so you can roll back to any point you like
[01:48] <ogra> you'd need to have a session script that does the commit of changes on logout ...
[01:48] <Burgwork> hmm, too much work
[01:48] <Burgwork> this sort of thing should be done by the freaking fs...
[01:49] <ogra> are you talking RAID ?
[01:49] <ogra> :)
[01:49] <Burgwork> no, I am talking revision control in the FS
[01:49] <ogra> hmm, xfs might do such stuff ...
[01:50] <ogra> not sure though
[01:50] <iGotNoTime> My laptop has a touchpad, when I tap the touchpad twice it acts as a double click (supposed to be a good feature?) I can disable that in XP, is there anyway to disable something like that with Edubuntu?
[02:21] <NickGarvey> http://scottcollins.net/blog/2006/01/disable-touchpad-tap-in-kubuntubreezy.html
[02:21] <NickGarvey> that might help iGotNoTime
[02:22] <NickGarvey> its for kubuntu but it might still do it right
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[02:58] <Burgundavia> bimberi: thanks
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[04:42] <iGotNoTime> I have installed Edubuntu to my laptop now, but really would like an easy to install widget for my wifi signal, something that would stay floating on my desktop.
[04:42] <iGotNoTime> Does anyone have a suggestion maybe?
[04:44] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: the "Network Monitor" panel applet
[04:45] <iGotNoTime> haven't looked yet will do now
[04:46] <iGotNoTime> ohh no
[04:46] <iGotNoTime> that is on
[04:46] <iGotNoTime> I mean something showing signal strength graphically
[04:46] <iGotNoTime> with numbers too
[04:46] <iGotNoTime> thanks for trying though :)
[04:47] <bimberi> hm, i though it had 5 segments which would change color according to the strength
[04:47] <bimberi> also there might be something in its preferences (right-click on it)
[04:48] <iGotNoTime> I am sorry I assumed that was a 'show options' button
[04:48] <iGotNoTime> it could be strength LOL
[04:48] <iGotNoTime> I guess I am ok then :P
[04:48] <bimberi> time for a walk :P
[06:20] <Burgundavia> salut highvoltage
[06:20] <highvoltage> salut!
[06:28] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: did you see the idea on digg of a mmorg of the oregon trail?
[06:28] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: wouldn't it be great to start and build an educational mmorg?
[06:28] <NickGarvey> ooo I remember that game, that would be pretty cool as a mmorpg
[06:29] <Burgundavia> I never owned it but loved it
[06:29] <Burgundavia> the other game I would love to see was an old mac game about homesteading in canada
[06:30] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: no, haven't seen it. i don't even know what mmorg is :)
[06:31] <NickGarvey> massively multiplayer online role playing game
[06:33] <Burgundavia> http://justplainlukee.livejournal.com/14192.html
[07:43] <ulinskie> hello
[07:44] <highvoltage> hi
[08:35] <JaneW> silly Q, but is edubuntu GPL?
[08:36] <JaneW> I have looked around and there is just mention of Ubuntu being under several OSS licenses
[08:36] <Burgundavia> JaneW: depends on what part you mean
[08:36] <Burgundavia> Edubuntu is mostly GPL, but the distro itself has no license
[08:37] <Burgundavia> mere agregation does not make a piece fall under the license
[08:38] <JaneW> I am entering edubuntu for a competition
[08:38] <JaneW> and the question is "License: Under what kinds of licenses do you make it available? How many copies / licenses have so far been handed out/downloaded?"
[08:38] <JaneW> so should I just say FOSS licenses?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:48] <JaneW> ok, thanks
[08:52] <Burgundavia> JaneW: incidentally, where is this for?
[09:07] <JaneW> PrixArs Electronica
[09:08] <Burgundavia> JaneW: ah. Wikipedia won one last year
[09:08] <JaneW> tough competition!
[09:14] <Burgundavia> there are different catagories
[09:19] <JaneW> we are in digital communities
[09:21] <Burgundavia> hmm, up against them
[09:59] <spacey> morning
[12:09] <JaneW> is ogra in today?
[12:10] <ogra> sure
[12:12] <JaneW> hi O
[12:12] <JaneW> just getting ready to leave for meeting
[12:12] <JaneW> thought I'd better make sure you had the reigns ;)
[12:12] <JaneW> btw I entered for Prix Arz Electronica
[12:13] <JaneW> but I need to ask you to mail it please
[12:13] <JaneW> it has to be mailed to them to try to get there by thurs
[12:13] <JaneW> or at least be well on the way
[12:13] <JaneW> I reckon German is closer then SA to Austria, so would be faster
[12:13] <JaneW> agreed?
[12:13] <JaneW> They want the on-line entry printed, signed and posted
[12:15] <JaneW> and then leaves
[12:19] <ogra> Salutation: Mrs.
[12:19] <ogra> First name: Oliver
[12:19] <ogra> Last name: Grawert
[12:19] <ogra> lol
[12:39] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW got your emai ;)
[12:56] <ogra> ******** edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 4min *********
[12:57] <jsgotangco> err since when did you become the meeting caller
[12:58] <spacey> i'll be there :)
[12:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, when jane went to school :)
[12:59] <jsgotangco> ahhh good point
[01:35] <JaneW> hi I am back
[01:35] <JaneW> sorry so late, was a long meeting
[02:17] <pips1> back here
[02:24] <spacey> :)
[02:24] <spacey> JaneW: will you read back the meeting we had?
[02:24] <ogra> yeah
[02:25] <spacey> could you feedback your opinion about what you expect from the cookbook?
[02:25] <JaneW> argh
[02:25] <JaneW> again?
[02:25] <spacey> there was some discussion and jelkner/kjcole see it differently from me
[02:25] <spacey> :p
[02:26] <spacey> just read back
[02:26] <ogra> i really think the ubuntu server guide is a *very* good example ... i'm very impressed
[02:26] <spacey> communication seems a little though
[02:26] <ogra> spacey, not only from you ...
[02:26] <spacey> what do you mean?
 there was some discussion and jelkner/kjcole see it differently from me
[02:27] <spacey> ah :)
[02:27] <ogra> i totally agree with you 
[02:27] <spacey> jelker offered me to take over, i will consider that after I indexed the work done/to be done
[02:28] <pips1> highvoltage, I was hoping to meet you on monday eve, as discussed, but it looks like you are very busy..
[02:28] <spacey> wish it that result came earlier but it took so long which makes the whole progress of finding you disagree later
[02:28] <spacey> anyway i'll post to list about that later
[02:29] <highvoltage> pips1: i was on-line, but you weren't?
[02:29] <pips1> highvoltage, anyway, know I need to get back to work..
[02:29] <highvoltage> pips1: i sent you another jabber message, did you get it?
[02:29] <pips1> highvoltage, oh?! 
[02:29] <highvoltage> pips1: i mean, i sent you a jabber message that you would get when you're back online
[02:30] <highvoltage> pips1: yep. i said that if you couldn't make it, i'll be online again last night, if you'd like to chat
[02:30] <pips1> highvoltage, how do I get older messages in jabber?
[02:30] <highvoltage> pips1: i think you right-click on someone's name and then on view logs
[02:31] <pips1> oh, nothing there though
[02:31] <pips1> :-/
[02:32] <pips1> sorry, I haven't used jabber before
[02:32] <highvoltage> it's on my jabber logs :/
[02:32] <highvoltage> pips1: sorry, i don't know what went wrong. could you see me on-line?
[02:33] <highvoltage> perhaps there was an issue with the jabber server, i have no idea.
[02:33] <pips1> yes, you *were* only, and I started a chat, but no reply... (I was 5 min late on mon eve, btw)
[02:33] <pips1> s/only/online
[02:34] <pips1> oh well
[02:34] <pips1> did you get my 2 emails from last week?
[02:35] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, i got your e-mails. i never (not even now) got your jabber messages, so there must have been something weird going on with jabber itself.
[02:36] <pips1> highvoltage, got to run, when would be a good time for us to meet next? what about tomorrow during the day or friday during the day? (my evenings are all booked until sunday)
[02:43] <highvoltage> pips1_busy: i'll try to contact you on jabber now... if you'll read this later, i'd prefer to talk to you tonight. tomorrow evening and friday evening is quite busy
[03:02] <spacey> ogra: btw we forgot to discuss the mailinglist stuff this week
[03:03] <ogra> i'll just ask jdub to create edubuntu-users ...
[03:13] <spacey> the ubuntu server guide was it right? which you referred to ealier
[03:13] <spacey> earlier
[03:13] <ogra> yep
[03:13] <ogra> its in ubuntu-docs in dapper
[03:15] <spacey> where should i be able to read it?
[03:15] <ogra> in yelp
[03:16] <spacey> yelp doesn't work it seems
[03:16] <ogra> just click your help icon
[03:16] <spacey> just get an empty screen
[03:16] <spacey> just see help topics
[03:16] <spacey> nothing more
[03:16] <spacey> :)
[03:16] <ogra> hmm, works here 
[03:16] <ogra> is ubuntu-docs installed ?
[03:17] <spacey> yup
[03:17] <ogra> strange 
[03:17] <spacey> if i do about this document i get an error as well
[03:17] <spacey> The section x-yelp-titlepage does not exist in this document. If you were directed to this section from a Help button in an application, please report this to the maintainers of that application.
[04:05] <ogra> hmmm, intelmac support in dapper ... these thingies should make nice ltsp servers :)
[04:07] <spacey> pips1: you have an email address
[04:07] <spacey> ?
[04:07] <Yagisan> aren't intelmacs supposed to be locked down with a type of drm ?
[04:07] <spacey> i think it was just a boot method windows didn't support
[04:07] <spacey> EFI or something
[04:09] <Yagisan> yeah. pity they dropped powerpc. they were nice chips
[04:10] <blkdg> hello,
[04:10] <ogra> hey, but imagine a mac mini intel as ltsp server with these clients: http://www.jack-pc.net/jackpc.asp
[04:10] <ogra> :)
[04:10] <spacey> highvoltage: ping
[04:11] <spacey> ogra: that is fucking cool :)
[04:11] <spacey> price? :)
[04:11] <ogra> no idea
[04:11] <ogra> :)
[04:12] <blkdg> i was looking around for gcompris earlier this moring, and it lead me to kde edutainment, and from there i read about tux paint, and eventually i stummbled upon edubuntu.  Cool.  Is there a Live CD version of edubuntu comming with this new release?
[04:12] <ogra> yep
[04:12] <blkdg> wow.
[04:12] <ogra> there are daily builds and some milestone releases of it already if you want to test it
[04:13] <ogra> (see the channel topic for the latest milestone)
[04:13] <blkdg> i'm going to try to find a list of the applications that come with it first. thanks again.
[04:14] <Yagisan> jackpc look nice, but seem locked to M$. btw, get me a powerpc box, and I'll get back to work on a powerpc multiarch patch ;) (no, I have no money of my own to spend)
[04:15] <highvoltage> spacey: pong
[04:15] <ogra> spacey, they use some strange embedded amd CPU, not sure the kernel supports that at all
[04:15] <spacey> ogra: just asking if it supports PXE now
[04:15] <spacey> it has windows CE 
[04:15] <spacey> sucks balls
[04:15] <ogra> yep
[04:15] <ogra> but thats fixable ;)
[04:16] <ogra> you could flash a rom-o-matic image over the CE
[04:16] <ogra> but the question is if the HW is supported by the kernel at all
[04:16] <spacey> highvoltage: you and pips do website yes? can you pass me your email addresses?
[04:16] <spacey> ogra: yeh
[04:16] <spacey> they will call me back
[04:16] <spacey> :)
[04:16] <ogra> :)
[04:17] <spacey> poor guy couldn't answer my questions
[04:17] <ogra> heh, its pretty new
[04:17] <spacey> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=edubuntu
[04:17] <spacey> heh
[04:17] <spacey> didn't know about that
[04:18] <spacey> lol
[04:18] <ogra> yeah, thats cool :)
[04:18] <spacey> *sigh* i use kde but hey i have to do a demo for edubuntu
[04:18] <spacey> lol
[04:18] <spacey> its in the first video
[04:18] <JaneW> Yes, Dennis Daniels has done loads
[04:19] <blkdg> i've used damn small linux and knoppix on the machine that i am considering to use for edubutu, will edubuntu live run with the same performace level? is it as taking as knoppix?  the machine is a 500 celeron with 512 ram.
[04:19] <ogra> no shickwave arch around ...
[04:19] <spacey> the video suck ass imho
[04:19] <ogra> blkdg, that should be fine 
[04:19] <spacey> big WinXP bar in the top
[04:19] <flint> ogra, that wall compter must be mini-itx form factor beast.  these are fairly cool....
[04:19] <JaneW> the first one I watched was him driving in his car and chatting
[04:20] <JaneW> at one point he inadvertently picks his nose
[04:20] <ogra> flint, mini-itx is something else ...
[04:20] <ogra> flint, thats waaay bigger 
[04:20] <spacey> :>
[04:20] <JaneW> and then says 'er, yes, I did yes pick my nose on camera'
[04:20] <JaneW> 2nd yes = just
[04:20] <jsgotangco> hey!
[04:22] <spacey> JaneW: that cookbook is stilll quite a lot of work
[04:22] <spacey> *sigh*
[04:22] <JaneW> spacey: I should have just done it myself...
[04:22] <flint> spacey, I like the screencasts, but they are being created in window$...
[04:23] <spacey> JaneW: i'm preparing a mail now, feel free to contribute :)
[04:23] <jsgotangco> hey!
[04:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, hey!
[04:23] <flint> JaneW, go for it.
[04:23] <JaneW> spacey: I will just a bit rushed today, I am filling in for another PM too
[04:23] <pips1> spacey, philipp at din15 dot org
[04:23] <spacey> JaneW: i'll ping you when i launched the email to the list
[04:23] <JaneW> and need to attend a meeting on TeamSpeak aka SUCKSASS!
[04:24] <JaneW> did I say that out loud?
[04:24] <spacey> :>
[04:25] <spacey> pips1: you have highvoltage his address too?
[04:25] <flint> JaneW, excellent!!! you are a goddess unto me.
[04:25] <spacey> I'll drink another beer for the sake of the edubuntu cookbook
[04:25] <flint> :^)
[04:25] <pips1> sure, but I normally don't pass around other ppl's email... sorry for being fussy about it
[04:25] <ogra> spacey, beer at 4:30 already ? you crazy duch people ... :)
[04:26] <spacey> ogra: its because of the beautiful afternoon
[04:26] <spacey> sun and all
[04:26] <spacey> :)
[04:26] <ogra> yeah
[04:26] <ogra> here as well
[04:26] <spacey> makes me happy
[04:26] <ogra> me too ...
[04:26] <pips1> spacey, you can find his email from his postings to the mailing list :-)
[04:26] <spacey> pips1: i'll do that then
[04:26] <spacey> :p
[04:26] <flint> demostudio is the streamcasting tool used... how does wink stand up to this?  Vermonters drink for breakfast (mostly maple syrup :^)
[04:27] <spacey> pips1: mr carter right?
[04:27] <spacey> :P
[04:27] <ogra> launchpad is also very helpful
[04:27] <pips1> spacey, correct, you can check on launchpad, too :-)
[04:27] <pips1> ogra, :-)
[04:27] <blkdg> i am looking for the daily builds, but i can only see the 5.10 releases.
[04:28] <spacey> getting the addresses was more work then the email but check your mailbox pips1:p
[04:28] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/
[04:28] <blkdg> thank you.  could someone add this infromation to : http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ ??
[04:29] <ogra> note they might be broken ... the last one thats guaranteed to work is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[04:29] <blkdg> or, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DownloadEdubuntu ??
[04:29] <spacey> you think goals in the edubuntu cookbook should talk about goals of edubuntu or of the cookbook?
[04:30] <ogra> both ?
[04:30] <pips1> spacey, thanks, I sure that highvoltage is very aware of it, he is one the original authors of the tuxlab cookbook, AFAIC ;-)
[04:31] <spacey> pips1: i know
[04:31] <spacey> but it is just so suited for the website
[04:31] <spacey> :)
[04:31] <spacey> and not for the cookbook
[04:31] <spacey> of edubuntu at the moment
[04:32] <blkdg> ok, now i'm confused.  the dapper version of ubuntu will have the same educational stuff that edunbunt has?
[04:32] <blkdg> specifically edutainment and gcompris?
[04:32] <ogra> nope
[04:33] <ogra> what makes you think that ? 
[04:33] <blkdg> i'm comparing the file lists for packages that i wnat.
[04:33] <blkdg> one sec.
[04:33] <ogra> where ? 
[04:33] <flint> spacey, I am thinking that technology may be bypassing the need for the cookbook or any other documentation.  This stramcast think is most painless...
[04:33] <blkdg> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/dapper-live-i386.manifest says it has gcompris and edutainment
[04:33] <spacey> flint: i absolutely disagree on that
[04:33] <blkdg> ait.
[04:33] <blkdg> sorry.  
[04:34] <blkdg> i ahve to learn to read :)
[04:34] <ogra> :)
[04:34] <ogra> flint, its a very valuable source ...
[04:34] <ogra> they are different for different use cases ...
[04:34] <ogra> .different for different use cases ...
[04:35] <ogra> different tools for different use cases ...
[04:35] <ogra> grr
[04:37] <flint> spacey, I understand both of your points, if i could not be seduced by technology I would not be here :^)  down olli... remember its all about FITS
[04:37] <flint> :^)
[04:37] <blkdg> is there a link from the edubuntu download page to the daily live page? could anyone here make one?
[04:37] <ogra> the grr was directed at my keyboard :)
[04:38] <ogra> blkdg, feel free to do it, its a wiki :)
[04:38] <ogra> but note that the dailies are broken most of the time ...
[04:38] <spacey> ogra: lol
[04:38] <flint> spacey, having made a few films in my time, I think that overall guidance in the form of documentation is essential to organizing an effective presentation of any type.  but this streacast stuff is revolutionary, gotta admit it.
[04:38] <spacey> according to the distributor
[04:39] <spacey> of jackpc
[04:39] <spacey> they even designed to processor on it and is not comparable to any existing arch
[04:39] <spacey> and i don't think he ever heard of PXE
[04:39] <ogra> heh
[04:40] <spacey> i think direct contact with chippc is a better idea :p
[04:40] <ogra> yeah
[04:40] <spacey> anyway
[04:40] <spacey> no time now, time to finish up that lengthy email about hte cookbook
[04:41] <flint> ogra, I know this sounds insane... but I just got an IBM M13 keyboard that cost me $200.00, a 515 style break-spring board with full number pad and a trackpoint  is is the second most fun I can have with my hands...
[04:41] <flint> spacey, please include me in the flame (flint@flint.com:^)
[04:42] <ogra> flint, arent you subscribed to the mailing list ? 
[04:42] <jsgotangco> oohhh spacey is in  planet
[04:42] <spacey> :)
[04:42] <spacey> jsgotangco: yes:)
[04:42] <spacey> hurray
[04:42] <jsgotangco> with a hackergotchi even!
[04:42] <jsgotangco> \o/
[04:43] <blkdg> is there a linux tool that comes with (or could come with one day edubuntu) that acts like apples remote desktop tool ( observe student work, control student work over a network?
[04:44] <ogra> we have VNC included
[04:44] <blkdg> i used it recently in an emac lab, an it was useful during a tutorial where i had a projector.
[04:44] <blkdg> i will look up vnc, thank you.
[04:45] <jsgotangco> there's also freenx
[04:45] <ogra> its integrated into the desktop ... you just need to enable it ... and use the terminal server client to connect to it ...
[04:45] <ogra> its all preinstalled ...
[04:46] <blkdg> i see that it's called vnc common. i will look into it. this cd will be amazing.
[04:46] <jsgotangco> it already is!
[04:46] <ogra> the integration part for the desktop is called vino ... vnc is only the backend
[04:47] <blkdg> oh, ok, 
[04:47] <ogra> jsgotangco, vino/vnc and tsclient are...
[04:47] <ogra> part of the desktop since gnome 2.10 
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i didnt know about vino/vnc though
[04:48] <blkdg> ok, it comes with gnome. i get it.
[04:48] <blkdg> kind of.
[04:49] <blkdg> sorry about the delay i keep alt tabbing between here and my browser.
[04:53] <blkdg> ogra how do i add that link to the download page?
[04:53] <blkdg> it's a locked page.
[04:54] <blkdg> forget about that last question, i 'm reading the help/
[04:54] <blkdg> .
[04:54] <ogra> you need to log in and just edit  :)
[04:54] <spacey> from the current cookbook: The moo cow server defaults to an IP gateway and firewall when two Ethernet cards are present. This will only be the case in Edubuntu labs that are permanently online, which will usually not be the case.
[04:55] <spacey> i don't understand any of that
[04:55] <spacey> i don't think its because of the beer
[04:55] <jsgotangco> duh
[04:57] <ogra> ouch
[04:57] <blkdg> thanks again for you help and patience folks.
[05:04] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[05:04] <jsgotangco> cheers
[05:19] <Yagisan> cool, I just found my house using google maps
[05:21] <spacey> i hate computers
[05:21] <spacey> brb
[05:28] <ogra> spacey, hey, i just saw you have probs with your amd64 acer ? 
[05:29] <ogra> they are vaccum cleaners, i have to pull out a block of filth every two months from the fan ...
[05:29] <spacey> already did that
[05:29] <spacey> :)
[05:29] <spacey> :)
[05:29] <ogra> did it help ?
[05:29] <spacey> no
[05:29] <ogra> bah
[05:29] <spacey> i think i need to open it up
[05:29] <spacey> to clean it
[05:29] <spacey> inside
[05:30] <ogra> oh, yes, indeed i meant the cooling unit inside ...
[05:30] <spacey> you think it will affect my warranty?
[05:30] <ogra> it collects the filth directly at the fan
[05:30] <ogra> no idea
[05:30] <ogra> mine is over, so i had no probs opening it
[05:31] <spacey> i bought extented warranty since i knew it will break before that ends
[05:31] <ogra> there is a little piece of aluminium foil glued onto the cover 
[05:31] <spacey> i don't see that
[05:31] <ogra> you have to rip it off to open it ... so you wont be able to hide that you opened it
[05:32] <ogra> its the connection between the fan case and the outer frame in mine ...
[05:32] <ogra> on the right 
[05:33] <spacey> nope not here
[05:33] <spacey> fan is on the left here anyway
[05:33] <ogra> ah, mine is in the middle
[05:33] <spacey> at least i cannot see it from the outside
[05:34] <ogra> ah, no you wont see it with the plastic on top :)
[05:44] <spacey> ogra: JaneW, posted my proposal for the cookbook to list
[05:44] <ogra> great 
[05:45] <flint> spacey, as if I am not getting enough spam, I gotta ask, am I on this list?
[05:45] <spacey> flint: i think you are on the list
[05:46] <spacey> at least I have seen your spam on it flint;)
[05:47] <flint> spacey, the dust thing is pernicious.  Two things to consider, get yourself a backup fan system, and/or get an air compressor and blow it out from time to time.  The air compressor is handy for other parts of your life (e.g. a bycycle :^)
[05:47] <spacey> :>
[05:47] <spacey> flint: no place left on this 12 square meters :)
[05:48] <flint> spacey, maybe I should not digress as to the connubial aspects of air compressors...this may not be an appropriate forum.
[05:48] <flint> :^)
[05:49] <spacey> :>
[05:49] <flint> spacey, i have not gotten any hate mail, as a favor bounce what Jane sent to me, that I may read and obey.
[05:50] <spacey> i missing some context here flint
[05:50] <spacey> after my lenghty email i am gonna watch some of my anime crack
[05:50] <spacey> bbl
[05:53] <flint> spacey, I would be happy if you woud send or forward any cookbook related mail traffic to flint@flitn.com
[05:54] <flint> er flint@flint.com (damn typist fire him! :^)
[05:56] <ogra> nice mail
[05:57] <ogra> i'm courious about the reactions ...
[05:57] <ogra> we ssom to have gotten a lot nice people lately that would do doc work ...
[06:50] <JaneW> spacey: great thanks
[06:50] <JaneW> spacey: I promise to go through it first thing tomorrow
[06:50] <JaneW> http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/ubuntu-is-soup-er.html
[06:51] <highvoltage> really? :)
[06:51] <JaneW> sivang: it's SPICY!
[06:51] <sivang> I'm sure it is :-)
[06:52] <sivang> but your blog does not come up
[06:52] <highvoltage> my word, it is ubuntu soup!
[06:53] <JaneW> hehe
[06:53] <JaneW> sivang: huh?
[06:53] <Burgwork> JaneW, have you been told to crack down on laptop testers not testing?
[06:53] <JaneW> Burgwork: silbs wanted me to check
[06:53] <Burgwork> ah
[06:53] <Burgwork> would be nice to have an official list
[06:53] <Burgwork> so I can clean up the wiki page
[06:53] <JaneW> cos she feared we have 30 odd ppl who have run off with laptops
[06:53] <JaneW> I doubts that's the case
[06:53] <JaneW> and so far everyone is testing
[06:54] <JaneW> of course I am sure to have straglers who are non-responsive
[06:54] <Petaris> hello all
[06:54] <highvoltage> hi Petaris 
[06:55] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[06:55] <Petaris> I just got the ok to shop for a second LTSP lab ;)
[06:55] <Petaris> This one for the high school
[06:55] <highvoltage> yay :)
[06:56] <Petaris> yep
[06:56] <Petaris> Has anyone played with authenticating the server/terminals to AD or NDS/eDirectory?
[06:57] <highvoltage> not sure :/
[06:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: why not edubuntu soup?
[06:58] <Petaris> hrm, it would be nice if they could logon with their existing credentials and have access to all of their files
[06:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: hey it was a last minute idea!
[06:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: next time I will plan and execute better
[06:59] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's very nicely done. i didn't think it would look that nice :)
[06:59] <JaneW> I was like 'you want chilli? Good, hold on for a sec I have to do something first... no don;t eat it I need my camera!'
[07:00] <highvoltage> hehe! shame man.
[07:00] <JaneW> indeed
[07:00] <JaneW> then I was told 'er this habanero one is like 5 times as strong as tabasco!'
[07:00] <JaneW> luckilly he LIKES burney stuff
[07:08] <sivang> JaneW: I'll be a happy laptop tester camper if you send me one :)
[07:08] <JaneW> sivang: I would if I could...
[07:08] <JaneW> so far I get to track down what the ppl who have them are doing with them
[07:08] <sivang> heh, I just wish I was less busy during the laptop testing team  formation
[07:08] <JaneW> bye
[07:08] <sivang> laters
[07:08] <JaneW> LPI cert stuff
[07:09] <highvoltage> bye
[07:16] <ogra> Petaris, usually you only authenticate the usersx against AD ... there are docs on ltsp.org about it
[07:44] <Petaris> ogra: I'll take a look there, but it would be nice to have them logon with their AD info and get their homedirectory mapped :)
[07:45] <ogra> i heard thats possible, but due to lack of any MS products around me i cant confirm :)
[07:45] <Petaris> Anyone know about NDS/eDirectory auth on terminals?
[07:46] <Petaris> We use AD but I have been considering a switch to Novell for a while now
[07:51] <spacey> Petaris: as long as PAM can auth against it it will work
[07:53] <LaserJock> is this the only edubuntu channel?
[07:53] <ogra> yep
[07:53] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[07:54] <LaserJock> ogra: how is wiki.edubuntu.org and wiki,ubuntu.com related? are they totally separate wikis?
[07:54] <ogra> nope
[07:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock, they are the same
[07:54] <Burgwork> merely different skins
[07:54] <ogra> they are exactly the same
[07:54] <ogra> as wiki.kubuntu.org is ...
[07:55] <LaserJock> oh, ok. The pages looked familiar but different ;-)
[07:55] <Burgwork> I personally think seperate wikis are a good thing, but others disagree...
[07:57] <ogra> i agree ... i'd have loved to keep them distinct
[07:58] <highvoltage> i think we'll get a lot of stuff done in drupal, in the future
[07:58] <highvoltage> it has lots of modules that are wiki-like.
[07:59] <Burgwork> I would have liked to keep the udu wiki seperate as well, but whatever
[07:59] <highvoltage> the ubuntu wiki does have lots of good reference for edubuntu users, though
[07:59] <ogra> we, yes, there is an advantage ... 
[07:59] <ogra> *well
[09:13] <emmie> Hi
[09:14] <Burgwork> salut emmie 
[09:16] <emmie> Tah shi de lah.
[09:16] <emmie> Er 
[09:16] <emmie> Tah shi de lah burgwork
[09:17] <emmie> I'm speaking a foriegn language
[09:35] <iGotNoTime> Hello everyone :D
[09:35] <HedgeMage> Hi, folks
[09:35] <iGotNoTime> This is not a 'total' noob question but...
[09:35] <iGotNoTime> I have wine and have run apps through it well
[09:36] <iGotNoTime> but I am curious if there is a default directory I really should be installing these win32 apps into?
[09:36] <iGotNoTime> is the home directory fine or should I really be installing to the wine directory?
[09:37] <iGotNoTime> so home is fine? :)
[09:43] <HedgeMage> no clue, i've never used wine
[09:43] <HedgeMage> I only use one Windoze prog, and it's a game, and I'm usually just lazy and borrow one of hubby's windows boxen
[09:44] <iGotNoTime> :D
[10:07] <Petaris> home time
[10:18] <mhz> neurogeek: ping, urgente
[10:21] <mphill> how does edubntu compare to lstpk12?
[10:22] <mhz> neurogeek: ping, urgente
[10:22] <mhz> mphill: in what sense?
[10:24] <mhz> neurogeek: ping, urgente
[10:24] <mhz> neurogeek: ping, urgente
[10:25] <neurogeek> mhz hey
[10:25] <neurogeek> mhz here i am
[10:26] <mhz> neurogeek: holas
[10:27] <mhz> neurogeek: es posible que Ricardo aparezca aca en este instante?
[10:31] <neurogeek> hmmm.. no lo creo porque no est aqu en la oficina
[10:32] <neurogeek> mhz, pero si quieres puedes dejarme el mensaje a mi.. yo se lo hago llegar lo antes posible
[10:33] <mhz> neurogeek: necesito con URGENCIA una especie de Curriculum de el
[10:36] <mhz> neurogeek: es posible ? No encontre algo hasta ahora sobre ricardo
[10:36] <mhz> neurogeek: es posible ? No encontre algo hasta ahora sobre Ricardo
[10:45] <Seveas> JaneW, lol @ ubuntu soup :D
[10:45] <neurogeek> mhz, hmm djame ver
[10:51] <neurogeek> mhz, nope.. yo tampoco tengo nada a mano,. pero apenas lo vea le digo que te lo enve
[10:51] <mhz> please!
[10:51] <mhz> neurogeek: volvera muy pronto?
[10:52] <neurogeek> mhz, eso espero,. debera estar por venir
[10:53] <mhz> :D
[11:03] <mhz_pickDaughter> neurogeek: I'll be back in 30 mins or so
[11:44] <neurogeek> mhz, ya habl con Ricardo
[11:44] <mhz> cool
[11:44] <mhz> and?
[11:47] <mhz> neurogeek: ?
[11:54] <mhz> neurogeek: ?