[12:05] <uniq> gnite.
[12:06] <Riddell> thanks uniqthank ss
[12:15] <Lure> good nite everybody
[12:31] <kmon> bye
[12:39] <Riddell> _Sime: do you think a quick fix is possible or shall I upload the new version as it is?
[01:36] <sebas> Riddell: Does the show all button send some sort of signal to the kcmodule?
[01:38] <Riddell> sebas: good question.  I would imagine it would quit the module in some way
[01:38] <sebas> Hm, close() maybe.
[01:48] <sebas> Hm, I need some pointer when the app has been closed, the QTimer will just run on until the job is finished and only thereafter stuff will be garbagecollected.
[01:48] <sebas> So I actually need to hook into the codepath when systemsettings changes module.
[01:57] <Riddell> fabo: do you maintain guidance packaging in svn.debian.org?  we should remove the debian directory from kde svn in that case
[01:57] <Riddell> fabo: also an UVF exception isn't needed for guidance since it's made to an ubuntu spec
[01:58] <Riddell> sebas: there's no close signal at all?  it must remove the widgets or something at least
[02:03] <sebas> It's not close, that's pretty sure.
[02:06] <Riddell> but it must kill stuff else you'd have enormous memory leaks
[02:07] <sebas> Yeah, but I didn't figure out what happens then.
[02:07] <sebas> In standalone mode, it indeed does get a close() signal, but not in systemsettings.
[02:07] <sebas> kcmodule's APIDOX is not too informative either.
[02:13] <sebas> Riddell: Where's the sourcecode of systemsettings?
[02:17] <Riddell> sebas: playground/base or apt-get source kde-systemsettings
[02:17] <Riddell> sebas: but the same thing happens with kcontrol
[02:17] <sebas> Thx.
[02:18] <sebas> Yeah, all the better.
[02:33] <sebas> Riddell: Hm, I cannot really find something appropriate.
[02:55] <Riddell> bah
[02:56] <Riddell> we could always alter system settings to send a signal
[05:06] <robotgeek> hmm, what is Tonio's wiki name
[05:25] <robotgeek> nvm, found it and mailed him a log
[07:19] <_Sime_> sebas, Riddell: The show all button does not unload the module. It merely hides it.
[07:20] <_Sime_> sebas: Load the deb descriptions with the help of QTimer and not using kapp.processEvents().
[07:21] <_Sime_> sebas: That will most likely fix the problem.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: nice!  it works on boot!
[07:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: nice...
[07:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:38] <Lure> I just need to bug Tonio_ to rename package kNM to network-manager-kde
[07:39] <Hobbsee> that might be an idea
[07:39] <Lure> new n-m package is kept back for me (also for you?)
[07:39] <Hobbsee> why?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> dunno, only just turned teh computer on
[07:39] <Lure> this is debian naming and Riddell said we need to follow - it is also more clear
[07:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok, true
[07:39] <Lure> try update + upgrade
[07:40] <Hobbsee> dist upgrade will upgrade it
[07:40] <Lure> really? then is something on my system
[07:40] <Hobbsee> however, it will also remove my compiled version of ndiswrapper, so i wont let it do that
[07:41] <Hobbsee> *pastebins*
[07:41] <Mez> brb reboot for knm
[07:42] <Hobbsee> Lure: no...wait...my error.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10632
[07:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:42] <Lure> same here
[07:42] <Lure> I just now did install n-m again and hope it will work after reboot
[07:43] <Lure> Hobbsee: and help Mez - I am sure he will have some problems ;-)
[07:43] <Lure> bye
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:44] <Hobbsee> oh well, too late
[07:45] <Hobbsee> ping?
[07:45] <Hobbsee> testing...
[07:47] <Hobbsee> testing....
[08:01] <Mez> hmm
[08:01] <Mez> now if only the git downstairs would enable my MAC address for Wireless access
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hey Mez 
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:02] <Mez> Hobbsee, hey
[08:02] <Hobbsee> so you got it sorta working?
[08:02] <Mez> well it's there
[08:02] <Mez> and its showing my network connection
[08:02] <Mez> unlike n-m was (though it may be due to 0.6)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> oh good.  what encryption is it using?
[08:03] <Mez> Hobbsee, no encryp[tion
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ah, lucky!
[08:03] <Mez> MAC filtering
[08:03] <Hobbsee> yes, dad wouldnt allow us to do that
[08:03] <Hobbsee> then again, it's my router - i cant choose what happens to it?
[08:24] <fabo> Riddell: yes, guidance is in svn.debian.org
[08:25] <_Sime_> fabo: cool, now we can get back to testing again.
[08:25] <mornfall> tried with -f as it suggests?
[08:25] <mornfall> bah
[08:25] <fabo> Riddell: so what's next about the UVF ? raphink or you will review/ipload it ?
[08:25] <mornfall> wrong window
[08:26] <fabo> _Sime_: have your received my mail ?
[08:26] <_Sime_> fabo: which one?
[08:27] <fabo> about pykdeextension fails to build on mips64 and so rpath related stuff
[08:27] <fabo> -so
[08:28] <fabo> sent monday with subject "pykdeextensions failed to build on mips"
[08:28] <_Sime_> fabo: yes I see it
[08:30] <_Sime_> fabo: I'm really not sure where exactly that error is coming from, about libgcc.
[08:32] <fabo> i asked you if you've got an idea, anyway i'll try to fix it, it's minor so no need to hurry ..
[08:34] <_Sime_> fabo: you should try looking in pykdeextensions and see what it uses to compile stuff. It is probably something in pythons distutils.py.
[08:35] <fabo> _Sime_: ok, thks for the tips :)
[08:52] <hendry> so there is no firefox in a kubuntu installation?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hendry: indeed
[08:54] <hendry> but can konq hold up these days to firefox?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> hendry: personally, i think not - but firefox is easy enough to install
[08:57] <hendry> i created a spread sheet document. then i try open it. then it asks me what application i should open it with. wtf
[08:59] <hendry> also adept or whatever the KDE package manager is called seems broken
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hendry: try launching it a second time, if you havent already.  otherwise, ping mornfall about it
[09:02] <mornfall> what
[09:03] <hendry> mornfall: adept not working on my daily install (from yesterday)
[09:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall: you're still working on adept?
[09:04] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i'm not sure :)
[09:04] <mornfall> hendry: ok
[09:04] <Hobbsee> oh, ok then
[09:06] <hendry> can Firefox be nicely integrated on the KDE desktop?
[09:07] <hendry> i.e. user clicks URL and it loads in firefox, instead of Konq?
[09:07] <mornfall> anything can be done
[09:07] <mornfall> unless proven otherwise
[09:07] <hendry> ok then, has it be done?
[09:09] <Tm_T> kcontrol has "component chooser" or similar
[09:10] <hendry> how do KDE users play mp3s and AVIs?
[09:13] <Hobbsee> ah, thankyou for reminding me
[09:13] <Tm_T> =)
[09:13] <Tm_T> hendry: /msg ubotu mp3
[09:17] <hendry> Tm_T: that bot is doing nothing for me
[09:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:17] <hendry> so mp3 support is in Universe
[09:18] <hendry> why isn't it just installed by default? what makes have it Universe less illegal?
[09:20] <Tm_T> well, licences
[09:20] <hendry> Tm_T: eh?
[09:20] <hendry> it's in Universe.
[09:21] <hendry> omg adept seems unstable
[09:21] <Tm_T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
[09:21] <Tm_T> and because of that, it won't be installesd by defaulyt
[09:21] <Tm_T> -y
[09:22] <hendry> so having it in Universe is OK
[09:23] <Tm_T> yes
[09:23] <Tm_T> but by default it is lees OK
[09:23] <Tm_T> s/lees/less/
[09:26] <hendry> that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me
[09:26] <hendry> because in either case Ubuntu is distributing it
[09:27] <Tm_T> not really
[09:27] <Tm_T> community of Ubuntu
[09:28] <mornfall> hendry: omg what about a sensible report?
[09:29] <hendry> mornfall: hmmm. first time it just ran in the bg and didn't allow my to start another session. i've since rebooted. running adept now. it just takes forever to initialise...
[09:32] <mornfall> ok so unstable means takes long to start in your dictionary
[09:32] <mornfall> fine :)
[09:32] <hendry> well there isn't any redraw
[09:32] <hendry> so that doesn't look good
[09:33] <mornfall> hmm skim?
[09:33] <mornfall> Riddell: is skim default-on lately?
[09:33] <mornfall> hendry: so it hangs or takes long to start?
[09:34] <hendry> mornfall: i'm using skim
[09:34] <hendry> mornfall: yup. i can send you a screenshot
[09:34] <mornfall> hendry: that's it then
[09:34] <hendry> it's just hanging there
[09:34] <hendry> what's the problem with skim ? bug ref?
[09:34] <mornfall> hendry: no need, it is reported already
[09:34] <mornfall> hendry: maybe you could attach gdb though
[09:34] <mornfall> hendry: and ask it to thread apply all bt
[09:35] <mornfall> also strace -p adept_pid could help
[09:35] <hendry> whoa, it's doing something (after 5 mins)
[09:35] <mornfall> Riddell: this skim interaction will kill me
[09:35] <hendry> not sure about gdb and "ask it to thread apply all bt"
[09:36] <hendry> i can get an strace going. dump it to file?
[09:36] <hendry> and send it to you ?
[09:36] <mornfall> hendry: gdb . adept_pid when it hangs and get the output
[09:36] <mornfall> hendry: wait i'll find the bug number
[09:36] <hendry> ok
[09:39] <hendry> mornfall: pastebin.com/615768
[09:39] <hendry> mornfall: that normal?
[09:39] <mornfall> launchpad dead
[09:40] <mornfall> hendry: if you can, please mail the results to me@mornfall.net, thanks
[09:40] <mornfall> ewgh
[09:40] <mornfall> hendry: not at all
[09:40] <mornfall> how many times have you clicked it?
[09:40] <hendry> "Launchpad is a large, monolithic, web application." # shocking :)
[09:40] <mornfall> well
[09:41] <mornfall> it may be just the threads
[09:41] <hendry> mornfall: i didn't start it up that many times, defn.
[09:41] <hendry> mornfall: you should try the daily install in vmware. installing in Korean is easy. :)
[09:41] <mornfall> there may be like 3-4 threads per instance.. it shouldnt' allow multiple instances tho
[09:42] <mornfall> i don't have vmware
[09:42] <mornfall> i don't have time either
[09:42] <mornfall> and it works here with skim (well, skim crashes most of the time tho)
[09:43] <mornfall> anyway gotta run
[09:43] <mornfall> laters
[09:43] <hendry> mornfall: ok, cheerio
[10:19] <hunger> hi mornfall.
[10:19] <Hobbsee> hey Lure - it's ok to upgrade nm
[10:19] <mornfall> hi
[10:19] <mornfall> what's up
[10:19] <Pygi> Hobbsee: yes, you can upgrade n-m, why not?
[10:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: good (back to boring Breezy an d work - so I cannot try)
[10:20] <Pygi> Lure: whats happening?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: no problems - it gets rid of one package, and adds another
[10:21] <hunger> Is NM 0.6 in the normal archives yet?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> hunger: no, separate repo
[10:21] <Lure> Pygi: work, but not on NM :-(
[10:21] <Pygi> aha, ok
[10:22] <hunger> Hobbsee: will it make it into dapper? Works pretty well for me, I wouldn't mind seeing it;-)
[10:22] <Pygi> hunger: we'll see ...
[10:22] <Hobbsee> hunger: dont know, ask Lure 
[10:22] <Pygi> there is a lot more work to be done...
[10:22] <Hobbsee> if not, we have a separate repo for it
[10:22] <Hobbsee> it works quite well using a clean install
[10:22] <Pygi> perhaps for you, but not for all...
[10:23] <Lure> Pygi: did we get l-r-m for latest kernel patched? This makes some madwifi users unhappy...
[10:23] <Pygi> nop, not yet :-/
[10:23] <Pygi> where, link?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> Pygi: you clearly havent been here lately - this didnt work out of the box for me either - required some tweaking.  i'm not saying that it works perfectly for everyone, but i'm saying that it seems to work fine from a clean install
[10:24] <hunger> network-manager-kde is knetworkmanager I assume?
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hunger: yes
[10:24] <Pygi> Hobbsee: nah, it doesn't work work on clean install as well ^_^
[10:24] <Hobbsee> really?
[10:25] <Pygi> to some users that is true...
[10:25] <Pygi> Lure: do we have knetworkmanager renamed to network-manager-kde?
[10:25] <hunger> Nice that you are getting the name-mess sorted out.
[10:25] <Lure> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=849671
[10:25] <Pygi> hunger: yup ^_^
[10:26] <Pygi> Lure: we should rename it to "kde-network-manager"
[10:26] <hunger> There is no network-manager-kde yet, so I'll stick with knetworkmanager for now.
[10:26] <Pygi> hunger: agreed ^_^
[10:26] <Lure> Pygi: not yet - waiting for Tonio_ (he was not aware that this was also agreed with Riddell)
[10:27] <Lure> it is just package rename, binary name will stay
[10:27] <Pygi> Lure: kde-network-manager is better that network-manager-kde
[10:27] <Pygi> yes, I am aware of that
[10:27] <Lure> Pygi: we are just following Debian here
[10:27] <Pygi> no, we are following ubuntu rules, not debian ones
[10:28] <hunger> Pygi: But then it should be gnome-network-manager as well.
[10:28] <Pygi> yup
[10:28] <Lure> Pygi: ubuntu main policy is not to get against Debian if not required
[10:29] <Lure> Pygi: if you do not agree, persuade mbiebel (debain maintainer) on ubuntu-devel mailing list 
[10:29] <Lure> I think it is still possible, as they did not relese NM to archives yet.
[10:29] <Pygi> joy, we have powerpc packages
[10:30] <Pygi> network-manager-gnome should be renamed to gnome-network-manager
[10:32] <Pygi> s/rapmages/rampages
[10:33] <Hobbsee> it sounds *far* more fun than rampaging
[10:34] <Pygi> Hobbsee: what? deleting the N-M repo? ;)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> do i need a reason?
[10:34] <Pygi> no, not really ;)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> which repo were you using?  the kubuntu.no-ip.com one?
[10:35] <Pygi> bah, I am just erasing the repo right now ^_^
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:54] <hunger> When using kpowersave the thinkpad-keys milo popups go away.
[10:54] <hunger> Any idea how I can get them back?
[10:55] <hunger> And how I can get rid of the "hibernate" entry in kpowersave's menu?
[10:58] <mornfall> hunger: *powersave* is written by suse, is it not? :)
[10:59] <Tm_T> "isn't it" ;)
[10:59] <mornfall> Tm_T?
[10:59] <Tm_T> s/is it not/isn't it/
[11:00] <Tm_T> atleast I feel so
[11:00] <mornfall> why
[11:00] <Tm_T> because it's widely used english phrase
[11:00] <Tm_T> never seen "is it not"
[11:01] <Tm_T> "it's pure milk, isn't it?"
[11:01] <Tm_T> etc
[11:01] <mornfall> Tm_T: that's because you are deformed by us english
[11:01] <Tm_T> what?
[11:01] <Tm_T> I'm not
[11:01] <mornfall> Tm_T: and informal language :)
[11:02] <mornfall> you never write isn't in formal language
[11:02] <Tm_T> hey, now you're insulting ;(
[11:02] <Tm_T> I even use en_GB locales!
[11:02] <mornfall> hmm?
[11:02] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:02] <mornfall> british keyboard layout is unfortunately braindead
[11:02] <mornfall> but then, i use dvorak so :)
[11:03] <Tm_T> I don't use english kb-layout ofcourse, I'm finnish ;)
[11:03] <mornfall> right
[11:03] <Tm_T> I need my 
[11:03] <mornfall>  i can write
[11:03] <mornfall> but the last one, i can't even read :)
[11:03] <Tm_T> =)
[11:03] <mornfall> maybe because my font is too tiny
[11:04] <Tm_T> it's a with  on top of it
[11:04] <mornfall> but i can write  :-)
[11:04] <Tm_T> yeah, but you have key for it?
[11:04] <mornfall> no, but i have dead cedilla
[11:05] <mornfall> not that it's useful with other letters :)
[11:05] <Tm_T> http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/finnish.html
[11:05] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:06] <mornfall> well, you can't code on *that* keyboard layout
[11:07] <Tm_T> I can
[11:07] <mornfall> you punch in ascii codes for {}? :)
[11:07] <hunger> mornfall: dvorak? How boring...
[11:07] <mornfall> hunger: why
[11:07] <Tm_T> actually, that doesn't show whole of it, hmm, have to find better pic
[11:07] <hunger> mornfall: using standard keyboard layouts is soooo non-l33t:-)
[11:08] <mornfall> hunger: well, i don't use *standard* dvorak ;-)
[11:08] <hunger> mornfall: You wrote your own keyboard config files for X and console?
[11:08] <mornfall> hunger: for one, i need national characters and i use punctuation more than numbers so numbers are on shift
[11:09] <mornfall> hunger: for other, i use capslock as ctrl
[11:09] <mornfall> hunger: i don't use console (i can use qwerty and standard dvorak as well)
[11:09] <hunger> mornfall: At last! Someone else with a custom keyboard layout!
[11:09] <Pygi> :-S
[11:10] <mornfall> morn@lor-master/k3:~ -> head ~/bin/keymap.sh
[11:10] <mornfall> #!/bin/sh
[11:10] <mornfall> xkbcomp - $DISPLAY <<_EOF
[11:10] <mornfall> <lots of xkb stuff follows>
[11:11] <hunger> mornfall: Hmmm.... I just hacked /etc/X11/xkb and inserted that keymay into my xserver.
[11:11] <mornfall> like  etc characters on level3shift :)
[11:11] <mornfall> hunger: i have that keymap.sh symlinked into autostart -- it also helps that any X i sit at, ssh -Y lorien.mornfall.net keymap.sh gives me my keymap :)
[11:11] <hunger> mornfall: I do not need those... I just shuffeled a couple of keys around that I could never get the hang of when learning touchtyping...
[11:12] <mornfall> hunger: auhm :)
[11:12] <hunger> I figured that it is easier to move the keys to where I expect them to be than to adapt to some arbitrary ordering imposed by some standards commitee.
[11:12] <mornfall> well, i have alphabetic letters in standard dvorak positions
[11:13] <mornfall> hunger: "do not"? beware or Tm_T will tell you to use don't ;-)
[11:14] <hunger> mornfall: Let him... english is not my language, so I can pretty well butcher it every way I want:-)
[11:17] <mornfall> hunger: ?
[11:17] <Tm_T> http://www.language-keyboard.com/keyboards/finnish_keyboard.jpg
[11:17] <Tm_T> nah, that's not good
[11:17] <hunger> mornfall: I am doing a trip into the proprietary SW world... I hate it.
[11:17] <mornfall> ah ah
[11:18] <hunger> mornfall: people are so stupid... handing over several k bugs for a server without even a basic password authentication.
[11:19] <hunger> OK, you can add it... but it is not activated by default.
[11:40] <hunger> kpowersaved rocks compared to klaptop!
[11:40] <Riddell> mornfall: skim is currently default on, we're looking at ways to get it off unless you're using a CJK locale
[11:43] <Hobbsee> hunger: +1 :P  - it actually works on my machine!
[11:45] <hunger> Any idea why I have a kmix window pop up on each login?
[11:46] <hunger> I guess something is trying to start the taskbar thingy and is getting confused.
[11:47] <hunger> Hobbsee: The config files of powersaved look very suse-ish for some reason;-)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> hunger: indeed :P
[11:54] <mornfall> Riddell: not that it helps if that means adept is useless in cjk locales
[11:54] <mornfall> Riddell: you have any idea on how scim works? how can it cause adept freezes?
[11:55] <mornfall> (because i don't)
[11:57] <Riddell> I've no idea how skim works
[11:57] <Riddell> or scim
[11:58] <mornfall> who maintains s(c/k)im? maybe he could tell
[11:58] <mornfall> the catch is that skim just segfaults most of the time on my dapper instead of doing anything useful
[11:58] <mornfall> and i can't reproduce the hangs either
[11:58] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! kubuntu ksplash icons are ok in the lastest version I tried.
[11:59] <Riddell> cmv	great
[11:59] <Riddell> http://www.scim-im.org/projects/skim
[11:59] <cmvo> Riddell: In system settings an admin mode module now can be use more than once. One bug down x to got :-)
[12:00] <cmvo> Riddell: s/got/go/
[12:01] <Riddell> thanks sime for that one
[12:02] <seaLne> Riddell: what is the intention with the 3.5.2 packages on kubuntu.org? are they to be used?
[12:02] <hunger> Riddell: Hey, I just noticed that resizing is fixed in kubuntu's control center! great work!
[12:03] <hunger> Hey, even admin mode works for me now!
[12:04] <cmvo> Riddell: Is the kubuntu artwork included in flight5 what will be released?
[12:06] <Riddell> seaLne: well spotted :)
[12:07] <Riddell> seaLne: they'll be ready for testing soon
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how long away is soon?  :P
[12:07] <Riddell> cmvo: close to it
[12:07] <Riddell> hunger: go hug sime
[12:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 15 mins
[12:07] <Hobbsee> oh goody :)
[12:10] <Hobbsee> *lassoo
[12:10] <Hobbsee> however it's spelt
[12:11] <ubijtsa2> question, will kde4 make it into dapper+1 ?
[12:12] <mornfall> away
[12:12] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe, yeah, i know
[12:12] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: I take your actions as a negative on that then :)
[12:13] <mornfall> ubijtsa2: well, unless you believe in miracles that is
[12:13] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: so kde4 is something for dapper+2 then
[12:13] <mornfall> maybe a new and improved <insert your favourite saviour> returns and brings kde4 with him/her
[12:14] <ubijtsa2> *lol*
[12:14] <mornfall> ubijtsa2: even dapper+2 is very optimistic :)
[12:14] <mornfall> dapper+2 will be frozen a year from now (if we believe marketing talk)
[12:14] <ubijtsa2> aye
[12:14] <hunger> mornfall: kde4 *is* the saviour that fixes all bugs, adds all missing features and rights all misfeatures.
[12:15] <mornfall> hunger: you almost sound like it will be another .com
[12:16] <mornfall> i'm wondering where people get the idea that kde4 will be revolutionary
[12:16] <hunger> mornfall: I am somewhat fed up with "Oh, kde4 will fix/have that" whenever pointing out one of my problems to a kde-person.
[12:16] <mornfall> hunger: point me to that kde-person :)
[12:17] <hunger> mornfall: especially considering that so far there is no set plan for what kde4 will actually be afaict.
[12:17] <ubijtsa2> kde4 will use Qt4 I guess
[12:17] <cmvo> Riddell: I think the kubuntu color scheme need a name, if I try a different scheme Current is overwritten and I can't get the default scheme back.
[12:17] <hunger> ubijtsa2: and plasma and solid and no more dcop and a new multimedia engine, ...
[12:18] <hunger> ubijtsa2: At times it does sound like a rewrite to me... but then I am just a user with little insight on what is going on in kde development:-(
[12:21] <mornfall> hunger: far from rewrite
[12:21] <cmvo> Riddell: The dark blue is a nice color, but in some situations it seems a bit too dark. When used as a background to black text it is hard to read the text.
[12:26] <Riddell> cmvo: where does that happen?
[12:29] <cmvo> Riddell: For example in the sidebar in a control module in systems settings when the mouse pointer hovers above an unselected item the text is black and the background dark blue.
[12:32] <ubijtsa2> hunger: sounds like they are busy doing all sorts
[12:32] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[12:47] <cmvo> Riddell: It seems the control modules use Standard Text on Selected Background on mouseover whewhereasreas the menubar used Selected Text
[12:51] <cmvo> Riddell: Where is the kubutu color scheme hidden? I changed to KDE Default and can't get back.
[01:03] <Riddell> it's in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings
[01:04] <Riddell> beastie squishers meeting! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[01:05] <Riddell> seaLne should be there, Lure too
[01:10] <Riddell> KDE 3.5.2 ready for testing!  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main
[01:10] <Hobbsee> woot!
[01:10] <freeflying> cool
[01:10] <Riddell> systray icons now take up half the space!
[01:11] <mornfall> hmm?
[01:12] <Lathiat> yeh systray icons are getting out of control :\
[01:12] <Lathiat> has the skimn icon gone?
[01:12] <Lure> Riddell: sorry, no time (boring work...) ;-)
[01:13] <freeflying> Lathiat: it will be soon
[01:13] <Lathiat> freeflying: cool
[01:13] <Lathiat> also adept could do with a context menu thats usefull
[01:13] <mornfall> Lathiat: meh?
[01:14] <Lathiat> you knwo like an "OPen updater" item :)
[01:14] <Lathiat> (i realise you can left click on it, but none the less)
[01:24] <Riddell> who wants to package cmake?
[01:25] <freeflying> Riddell: I'd try 
[01:28] <Riddell> freeflying: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=114263356311618&w=2
[01:28] <Riddell> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDECMakeIntro
[01:28] <Riddell> freeflying: would be quite cool to have since kde 4 seems to be moving towards cmake
[01:28] <freeflying> Riddell: shall I file a ITP to debian
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying: I'd wait until it's in ubuntu then file one, pointing to the ubuntu package
[01:29] <freeflying> Riddell: ok
[01:30] <cmvo> Riddell: Any plans to put the kubuntu logo on the desktop background?
[01:31] <Riddell> cmvo: kwwii said he was fed up of logos on wallpapers
[01:34] <cmvo> Riddell: Maybe it would be a good idea then to include the artwork of previous versions, as KDE does, for those who prefer the older artwork.
[01:36] <Riddell> cmvo: is that related?  would you prefer the artwork if it had a logo on it?
[01:36] <Lure> Riddell: it is marketing issue (for screenshots in reviews...)
[01:37] <Lure> I also agree with cmvo that we need to have each release artwork available for users who liked them (Kubuntu 5.10, 6.06...)
[01:37] <Lure> AFAIR, we do not have it as a theme currently (even the default one)
[01:39] <cmvo> Riddell: I would't want to anger the artist. Seems I've gotten used to the logo in breezy. The new background looks a bit generic, not something thats special to kubuntu.
[01:45] <cmvo> Riddell: While I'm nitpicking: In the kdm theme the input boxes are too close to the colon. It just doesn' t look right.
[01:45] <cmvo> Maybe I should do my own artwork :-)
[01:46] <cmvo> Sri, got to go. Cu all later.
[01:47] <Riddell> cmvo: send me a fix and I'll put it in :)
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: upload new skim to REVU , remove the skim.desktop from /usr/share/autostart for avoild autostart under en_US locale
[01:50] <Riddell> freeflying: and it'll still work without setup for CKJ users?
[01:51] <freeflying> Riddell: need work on other package like scim-pinyin ,etc.
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> Why wouldn't kubuntu-default-settings list of installed files not show everything? ie. the splash theme. It gives a very short list of files compared to what's actually installed.
[01:56] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: splash theme is part of a different package
[01:56] <Riddell> usplash theme anyway
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> I wish all the kubuntu artwork was personally so I could get the kubuntu look w/o installing the default settings that I don't like.
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> For simplicity sake anyway, I could just copy what I need before default settings removal.
[02:04] <Riddell> you can't really separate them, the artwork needs the settings
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> ok, owell. Thanks anyway.
[02:09] <mornfall> jjesse: hi
[02:09] <mornfall> jjesse: i will leave that on you -- there are 3 separate entries because that's the default kdelibs set up
[02:09] <mornfall> jjesse: if we have a single document, i will change the menu
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: you really do a great job with this, thanks. Don't know what I'd be doing with kubuntu, probably retro back to the Amiga or something. :)
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> s/with/without
[02:47] <seaLne> weird kontact is maximizing under kicker in 352 for me
[02:49] <Riddell> seaLne: works for me.  xinerama stuff maybe?
[02:50] <seaLne> i don't use xinerama
[02:50] <Riddell> well dual screen thingy
[02:51] <seaLne> interesting its fine on 0:0 its just 0:1 that has this issue
[03:34] <jjesse> looking at bug #968 about a problem dist-upgrading from hoary to breezy can that bug be closed? or what should happen to it?
[03:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 968 in kdevelop3 "File conflicts during upgrade" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/968
[03:37] <jjesse> has printing been fixed in dapper? 
[03:41] <Riddell> jjesse: unless you know it's fixed don't close it (I probably fixed that but I'm not sure)
[03:41] <Riddell> jjesse: no, printing still just as broken
[03:53] <seaLne> any idea what the printing problem is?
[04:02] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2171
[04:14] <jjesse> Riddell: besides installing hoary and upgrading to brezzy is there a way to testit?
[04:46] <Riddell> jjesse: hoary chroot
[04:47] <freeflying> Riddell: how about cmake package
[04:53] <Riddell> freeflying: will take a look shortly
[04:54] <freeflying> Riddell: need upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2129
[04:57] <hunger> Anyone used yakuame? It is really sweet.
[04:57] <Tm_T> yakuame?
[04:57] <hunger> Tm_T: You know quake?
[04:57] <Tm_T> yeah but... yakuame?!
[04:57] <hunger> Tm_T: It provides a terminal in a quake-console like way.
[04:58] <jjesse> Riddell: do you have a hoary .iso someplace that i could download to test this in vmware? cdimage doesn't have it
[04:58] <Tm_T> hunger: you must mean yakuake ;(
[04:58] <hunger> Tm_T: Aehm... yes.
[04:58] <Tm_T> hunger: and it doesn't fit to my needs, don't like it
[04:58] <hunger> Tm_T: Maybe I should use bigger fonts in my menu...
[04:58] <Tm_T> =)
[04:59] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe booting to new kernel ->
[04:59] <hunger> Tm_T: Anyway: I love it:-)
[04:59] <Riddell> jjesse: releases.ubuntu.com must have it
[05:00] <seaLne> jjesse: i have a hoary machine i can test it if you want
[05:01] <jjesse> seaLne: would you mind? its bug #968
[05:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 968 in kdevelop3 "File conflicts during upgrade" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/968
[05:01] <jjesse> i can download it from releases which is where it is at, but let me know 
[05:02] <seaLne> sure, i'll copy the hd before i upgrade so may be tommorow by the time i finish doing it if thats ok
[05:04] <jjesse> fine with me the bug's been open since 2005-06-09
[05:04] <seaLne> yeah i noticed it when i was looking through the older bugs but hadn't got round to installing hoary on a machine yet
[05:06] <seaLne> i don't suppose any motu people here could look at my bug fix autopsy package on revu?
[05:07] <robotgeek> hey raphink 
[05:08] <Riddell> hmm, kbfx isn't in the archives
[05:09] <raphink> hi robotgeek
[05:09] <raphink> Riddell: noticed that too, today ;)
[05:09] <raphink> not even on REVu
[05:09] <raphink> not even in sid
[05:09] <raphink> ;)
[05:09] <Riddell> I'm sure there's packages for it around
[05:09] <raphink> hmm
[05:09] <raphink> there are unofficial debs on kde-looks
[05:09] <Riddell> unless I imagined them
[05:09] <raphink> look
[05:09] <raphink> but I believe these are checkinstall packages
[05:09] <raphink> I've seen no source
[05:09] <Riddell> could well be it.  debs of kde-look though are often made with alien
[05:10] <raphink> there's an ITP though
[05:10] <raphink> filed in october 
[05:10] <Riddell> in debian?
[05:10] <raphink> yep
[05:10] <raphink> let me find it
[05:10] <Riddell> it should take all of about 10 minutes to package, I think october is a bit slow :)
[05:10] <raphink> hehe I agree ;)
[05:11] <seaLne> trying to find a sponsor can take a while
[05:11] <raphink> debian bug #335238
[05:11] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 335238 in wnpp "Subject: ITP: kbfx -- KDE "Start Button" with extra functionality" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/335238
[05:11] <raphink> Ubugtu: thank you
[05:11] <jjesse> is ubugtu new?
[05:11] <raphink> jjesse: no
[05:12] <seaLne> newish to here
[05:12] <raphink> but it wasn't on kubuntu-devel since some time ago
[05:12] <raphink> s/since/till/
[05:12] <freeflying> raphink: so strange , I found someone upload quarry , but not the latest releae on REVU
[05:13] <raphink> mhm
[05:13] <Tm_T> lailai
[05:56] <superstoned> hi everyone, i'm looking for the source of plastik's kwin style. it is supposed to be in the source package pulled in with "apt-get source kdeartwork-theme-window", and it is in the official debian package, but i can't find it in the ubuntu package.
[05:56] <superstoned> anyone any idea where it is?
[05:56] <Riddell> superstoned: it's in kdelibs
[05:56] <Riddell> or maybe kdebase
[05:56] <superstoned> kdelibs - checked, i'll try kdebase.
[05:56] <superstoned> thanx, btw
[05:57] <seaLne> kwin
[05:57] <superstoned> (i'm gonna try to remove the thin line around the inner part of the windowdecoration)
[05:57] <Tm_T> kdebase
[05:57] <Tm_T> hmm, atleast in kde svn
[05:58] <Tm_T> kdebase/kwin/clients/plastik/
[05:58] <seaLne> /usr/lib/kde3/kwin3_plastik.so is in kwin
[05:58] <superstoned> aaah
[05:58] <seaLne> /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/plastik.so is in kdelibs4c2a
[05:59] <seaLne> superstoned: so you may have fun as it appears to be in more than one package
[05:59] <superstoned> haha, yeah
[05:59] <superstoned> found that out already...
[05:59] <superstoned> anyway, i'm gonna get it, and then see if i can figure out how to get rid of the line (no programming knowledge at all...)
[06:00] <seaLne> anyone having problems with LP just now?
[06:01] <seaLne> hmm fine now
[06:43] <superstoned> hey ppl looks like i did it ;-) have a look at plastik windec WITHOUT the annoying line: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/jospoortvliet/pictures/tmp.jpg
[06:44] <superstoned> just had to remove all 4 instances of ".dark(110)" in plastik.cpp
[06:46] <superstoned> i think with this change, plastik'
[06:46] <superstoned> windec looks modern enough to be the default in kubuntu :D
[06:51] <Tm_T> heh
[07:28] <theine_> does anybody know which qt4 package contains qptrlist.h?
[07:30] <Riddell> theine_: qptrlist doesn't exist in qt4
[07:31] <theine_> ah, good to know, thanks
[07:32] <Tm_T> :p
[07:36] <Tm_T> hmm, does konqueror cache favicons some weird way?
[07:36] <Tm_T> I changed one from my website
[07:36] <Riddell> yes, it caches them forever
[07:37] <Tm_T> but... I can't see it in konqi
[07:37] <Tm_T> hmm, any dirty fix?
[07:44] <cmvo> I'm looking for docs on creating kdm themes and can't find anything usefull. Any pointers?
[07:46] <kmon> Hi. I'm receiving an error in apt with the kubuntu.org archive for amarok1.4
[07:47] <kmon> Err http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages
[07:47] <kmon>   404 Not Found
[07:47] <sebas> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14beta2 dapper main
[07:48] <kmon> oh.. I have an / after beta2
[07:49] <kmon> I'm still receiving that error
[07:49] <kmon> I'm using amd64
[07:50] <sebas> Ow, I'm using the x86 port.
[07:52] <kmon> The thing is that I managed to install it correctly, but one day apt began giving this error
[07:52] <Riddell> kmon: works for me on amd64
[07:53] <Lure> Riddell: I heard there is 3.5.2 somewhere - can you put link to repo to Topic?
[07:53] <Riddell> it's not yet released
[07:53] <kmon> Riddell: Dou you have any pastebin so I can post my sources.list?
[07:54] <Lure> Riddell: not even test binaries - then I misunderstood somewhere
[07:54] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ dapper main
[07:55] <Lure> thanks - will try out
[07:55] <Riddell> kmon: kubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:56] <kmon> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/616582
[07:58] <kmon> The KNetworkManager repo doesn't work because I'm afraid there are no amd64 packages to test :(
[07:59] <cmvo> Riddell: Here 3.5.2 installed without problems. Haven't pushed it, but it seems to behave normaly :-)
[07:59] <kmon> but the amarok line seems to be fine...
[08:00] <cmvo> Riddell: I'm toying with the kdm theme, but can't find usefull documentation. Do you know where to look?
[08:03] <Lure> kmon: there was no one to build for amd64
[08:05] <Riddell> cmvo: great, thanks for testing 3.5.2
[08:06] <Riddell> cmvo: gdm has the spec but mostly you just copy existing ones
[08:07] <Riddell> kmon: the koffice one is broken
[08:08] <kmon> Riddell: thanxs
[08:10] <cmvo> Riddell: ah, gdm. I didn't look there :-) I see the basic concept, but I'd like to know a little bit more what I'm doing...
[08:12] <kmon> Does anyone here know if there are plans on providing KNetworkManager and Kpowersave packages for amd64 testers?
[08:13] <Lure> kmon: I think the issue is that Tonio_ does not have amd64 HW to build (ppc is provided by raphink I think)
[08:13] <kmon> Lure: ok, it's a shame... :(
[08:15] <Lure> kmon: you can always build from source
[08:15] <Lure> I was also a bit concerned initially, but dpkg is really nice for building from source
[08:18] <Lure> Riddell: Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/pool-dapper/kdebase/kdebase-data_3.5.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb  Size mismatch
[08:25] <Riddell> ah yes, that'll happen
[08:25] <Riddell> you'll need to wait until I finish my upload
[08:26] <toma> Riddell: i've done a bit of boring work by making some minutes. Atm in plain ascii, what should i do with them? You, wiki, xyz?
[08:26] <Lure> Riddell: no problem...
[08:29] <Riddell> toma: from the last kubuntu meeting?
[08:29] <toma> Riddell: yes
[08:29] <Riddell> toma: you rock
[08:29] <Riddell> toma: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes
[08:30] <Riddell> this wiki is nicer than wiki.kde.org, but not as nice as mediawiki
[08:40] <Lure> Riddell: is anybody looking into desktop switch slowdown (I suspect crystal)
[08:40] <Riddell> Lure: I'm going to e-mail the kwin-crystal author
[08:41] <Lure> OK, there is also starrtup delay for apps (worse just after reboot), but this desktop is really anoying when it hits you
[08:46] <robotgeek> Lure: i sent networkmanager logs to Tonio_, should i email to you too?
[08:47] <trappist> anyone know why Eterm's check for _MOTIF_MWM_HINTS would fail against kwin on one up-to-date dapper machine and not another?  I have to disable that check in the Eterm source for borderless Eterms to work
[08:48] <robotgeek> he could just have said no :)
[08:48] <robotgeek> Lure: i sent networkmanager logs to Tonio_, should i email to you too?
[08:49] <Lure> robotgeek: if you want me to look at they, yes ;-)
[08:57] <robotgeek> Lure: forwarded to your gmail
[09:07] <Lure> robotgeek: did not get it yet - set to lure dot net @?
[09:08] <Lure> s/set/sent/
[09:08] <robotgeek> Lure: no, lure.net @ gmail
[09:08] <Lure> ok, that is right address...
[09:09] <Lure> robotgeek: is it more tha 2 GB (that is left space in my mailbox)? ;-)
[09:09] <robotgeek> Lure: no, i compressed it. it's about 
[09:09] <robotgeek> 6
[09:09] <robotgeek> 6 KB
[09:10] <robotgeek> 
[09:10] <robotgeek> sorry, konsole is acting up. 
[09:11] <robotgeek> 
[09:11] <robotgeek>  lure dot net at gmail.com
[09:21] <trappist> robotgeek: me too.  what are the odds.
[09:22] <robotgeek> trappist: konsole problems?
[09:22] <trappist> yes, it all just started freaking out badly
[09:23] <trappist> stuff spontaneously pasted into it
[09:23] <raphink> anyone very good with awk here ?
[09:23] <raphink> :s
[09:23] <raphink> or good enough that is ;)
[09:23] <toma> deps on the q
[09:24] <raphink> well ok when I'd like to turn an output of severals lines into an array, usable in bash
[09:24] <raphink> one line of output => one element in the array
[09:24] <trappist> I just do while read line; do something to $line; done in bash
[09:25] <raphink> yes but no
[09:25] <raphink> ;)
[09:25] <raphink> I want the array for a good reason
[09:25] <toma> while i in `cat file`; do bla; done
[09:25] <raphink> I'm parsing an XML file
[09:25] <raphink> so I've got chapters sections in it
[09:25] <raphink> and inside these chapters, lines that have to be numbered by the number of the chapter
[09:26] <toma> i'm out. I'ld use a php script by now ;-)
[09:26] <trappist> ruby here
[09:26] <raphink> hehe
[09:26] <raphink> ok
[09:26] <raphink> bash & awk are not powerful enough for this in your opinion ;)
[09:26] <robotgeek> raphink: might be too "painful" :)
[09:26] <raphink> hehe
[09:27] <raphink> I don't really feel like doing this in PHP though
[09:27] <toma> ow they are powerfull enough to do it, but you would need to read something in a book...
[09:27] <raphink> and I don't know ruby
[09:27] <raphink> mhm
[09:28] <raphink> maybe python might do the job too
[09:28] <raphink> no?
[09:28] <trappist> sure
[09:38] <Lure> robotgeek: cannot see anything obvious, beside the fact that you do not use ndiswrapper (that most bcm43xx users use)
[09:38] <robotgeek> Lure: powerpc kernel
[09:38] <Lure> sorry, forgot about that :-(
[09:39] <Lure> there were updates in last kernel release - I suspect you use it already?
[09:39] <robotgeek> 2.6.15-19-powerpc
[09:39] <Lure> wpa_supplicant also takes care of WEP...
[09:39] <Lure> You are using WEP?
[09:39] <robotgeek> yes. 
[09:41] <robotgeek> Lure: well, lemme check again. there seem to be a bunch of updates
[09:41] <robotgeek> ah, nothing to the kernel. sorry
[09:42] <Lure> robotgeek: you did not succed to connect with NM yet (or it worked before and now broke)?
[09:42] <robotgeek> Lure: no, have not connected yet with this card
[09:43] <Lure> and you entered your WEP key only once (was not asked multiple times for it)?
[09:44] <Lure> this is strange:
[09:44] <Lure> NetworkManager: <information>   wpa_supplicant(27192): wpa_driver_wext_set_wpa
[09:45] <Lure> like it really uses WPA...
[09:45] <robotgeek> i entered more than once just to verify that i entered it correctly
[09:46] <Lure> and this
[09:46] <Lure> NetworkManager: <information>   wpa_supplicant(27192): wep_key0 - hexdump(len=13): [REMOVED] 
[09:46] <Lure> NetworkManager: <information>   wpa_supplicant(27192): Custom wireless event: 'associating timed out'
[09:47] <robotgeek> Lure: my card does take sometime to get associated. however, wlanassistant works fine with it
[09:47] <Lure> define "some time"
[09:48] <Lure> maybe timeouts in NM are just too low for your card...
[09:48] <robotgeek> Lure: i have a 3 second delay for every command i type with regard to wireless in my connect script, that helps
[09:49] <Lure> that is quite some delay - intresting tha wlassistant is OK
[09:49] <Lure> not sure if NM can be changed w/o recompile
[09:50] <robotgeek> i think it waits for  eth0: link becomes ready
[09:50] <robotgeek> err, eth1
[09:51] <Lure> yes, true, wlassistant just parses command outputs...
[09:56] <robotgeek> Lure: you have any more ideas you would want me to try out?
[09:57] <mornfall> hi jjesse 
[09:57] <Lure> not really - currently looking into n-m mailing list to see if timeouts can be configured somehow
[09:59] <robotgeek> Lure: thanks anyways :)
[09:59] <Lure> robotgeek: no pb, hope will get this resolved for you
[10:00] <Lure> hi Pygi
[10:00] <robotgeek> Lure: yes, it's pretty nice to use once it starts working (i used on breezy on a different laptop)
[10:00] <Pygi> hi Lure
[10:03] <Pygi> Lure: anything new?
[10:03] <Lure> Pygi: no, looking at several logs...
[10:04] <Lure> Pygi: I was thinking if we need to look in FC5 and SLED 10.1 for potential patches they include in their packaegs
[10:04] <Lure> (and drivers)
[10:05] <Pygi> nop, let's rather concentrate on fixing the background scanning issue
[10:06] <Lure> you made any progress there 
[10:06] <Lure> I am a bit pesimistic on that one...
[10:06] <jjesse> hiya mornfall
[10:07] <mornfall> jjesse: did you catch my (irc) reply?
[10:07] <jjesse> mornfall: i may have missed it
[10:07] <Pygi> Lure: go ask fedora  people do they have that patch for us?
[10:08] <mornfall> jjesse: i'd say just do as you want the menu can be fixed -- is it as it is because it's default
[10:08] <jjesse> mornfall: ok, then i think i would like to have one guide  that address all three programs
[10:08] <mornfall> jjesse: sure why not
[10:09] <jjesse> mornfall: i just wanted to make sure it was cool with you before i did somethng totally different then what you were thinkgin
[10:10] <mornfall> jjesse: you write it -- you decide -- i am usually pretty pissy about people telling me how i should do my work ;-)
[10:10] <jjesse> feel the same way :)
[10:13] <allee> Lure: (k)networkmanager ;)
[10:14] <Lure> allee: tried it?
[10:14] <allee> Lure: yeah, played with it right now.  Not much success
[10:14] <Lure> which driver?
[10:14] <allee> Lure: is there somewhere a list of problems?
[10:15] <allee> ipw2200
[10:15] <Lure> strange - mine works
[10:15] <Pygi> yup, list of problems is on wiki
[10:15] <Pygi> hm, no problems with ipw by now :-/
[10:15] <Lure> there is discussion in forums, and I try to keep wiki up-to-date with links to issues
[10:15] <trappist> ipw2200 is hella buggy.  there's a new version though.
[10:15] <allee> Unpluging cable, no attempt to use wlan
[10:15] <allee> plug cable, still used wlan
[10:15] <Lure> allee: you have latest kernel (from yesterday)?
[10:16] <allee> Lure: yes
[10:16] <Lure> so what is the problem? No networks?
[10:16] <allee> Lure: wlan here is wpa tk-ip with hidden ssid
[10:16] <Lure> OK, so yo need to use connect to network...
[10:16] <allee> First startup (hidden) wlan was not found
[10:17] <allee> Lure: why? :) iwlist eth1 scan lists it ;)  So I expect a <hidden> menu entry
[10:18] <Lure> allee: I do not think that hidden is listed - you just need to use "Connect to other network" and specify parameters (SSID, WPA....) manually
[10:18] <allee> Lure: but this is 'only' usability.  What was disappointing is that unplug/plug cable dis not enable/disable wlan usage
[10:18] <Lure> allee: it would be strange, as there might be many hidden networks - how would you present them - with AP address?
[10:19] <allee> Lure: yes, manually this works.  Since first usage, the wlan is listed
[10:19] <Lure> allee: not sure I understand unplug/plug concern?
[10:20] <allee> Lure: I unplug the cable and nm does no try to use the wlan
[10:21] <Lure> OK, true, have seen that - not sure if this is job of NM or kNM...
[10:21] <Lure> allee: it would also be nice if wired plug would disconnect wlan
[10:21] <allee> Lure: yes, this was my second expectation that did not work :(
[10:22] <Lure> allee: btw, using rsibreak - not bad... ;-)
[10:22] <allee> Lure: toma is upstream.  Thank him  (ping ping:)
[10:22] <Lure> allee: there are many other problems (with drivers like madwifi, orinoco...) that this is really
[10:23] <Lure> toma: thanks for rsibreak - nice app
[10:23] <toma> thanks!
[10:23] <toma> "not bad" ?
[10:24] <allee> toma: understatement ;)
[10:24] <toma> ;-)
[10:24] <Pygi> Tonio_: around?
[10:25] <Lure> toma: I first thought this will be probably too intrusive (used some apps on Windows years back), but rsibreak is really nice and lightweight
[10:25] <allee> where are the n-m experts?  I would like to find out if the unplug/plug net cable and wlan is not started/stop is a bug or a feature?
[10:25] <allee> Lure: if it's a bug I would like to help narrow it down ;)
[10:25] <Lure> n-m mailing list - Robert Love answeres quickly...
[10:25] <Pygi> allee: nobody is expert on anything ;)
[10:26] <allee> Pygi: okay,  somehow who knows how it 'should' work ;)
[10:26] <Lure> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/
[10:26] <Pygi> allee: that might  be intentional by upstream ....
[10:27] <allee> Pygi: then I file a wishlist report instead of a bug report ;)
[10:27] <Pygi> allee: yes, most probably...
[10:29] <toma> Lure: thanks for the compliment. with such an app the diffificulty is indeed to make you rest on one side but not too intrusive so the user stops using it. It is an balancing act.
[10:29] <allee> Where is knetworkmanager developed?  is there a src code repo?  I've found some trival pkg  'bugs'
[10:30] <Lure> allee: not really :-(, Timo (author) is working on SVN (SuSE), but he said that will issue a new snapshot by the end of week
[10:31] <allee> Lure: debian/ dir is also in SuSE svn?
[10:31] <Lure> toma: exactly - and I really believe it well balanced
[10:32] <Lure> allee: no, you have our diff in Tonio_'s repository
[10:32] <allee> Lure: URL?
[10:32] <Lure> there is also SVN in debian, but we are not in sync with debina yet
[10:32] <Lure> deb-src http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu dapper main
[10:33] <Lure> allee: for debian, see here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016646.html
[10:33] <allee> Lure: ah, the apt repo, not a svn repo
[10:34] <Lure> allee: I think Tonio_ does not use SVN... there is one from debian
[10:34] <Tm_T> Lure: Timo who?
[10:34] <Lure> http://blog.nouse.net/
[10:34] <allee> Lure: heh, I pester Tonio_ for quite some time to subscribe to alioth (without success yet ;)
[10:35] <allee> Lure: thx for the infos.  I'll grab debian/kubuntu source and compare them
[10:35] <Lure> allee: great - I planned to do that, but did not have time yet...
[10:36] <Pygi> Lure: you could look at the -ng, you know ^_^
[10:37] <Lure> Pygi: as I said - from initial looks it does not look promising...
[10:37] <Pygi> Lure: heh...
[10:38] <allee> Pygi: -ng == madwifi-ng ??
[10:39] <Pygi> allee: yesh ;)
[10:39] <allee> Pygi: 'k.  I've read it too experimental for dapper.  Has this changed?
[10:40] <Pygi> allee: no, but we need to port background scanning feature from -ng, to -old
[10:40] <Lure> allee: no, we are looking just for one feature (background scan) to be backported to madwifi-old
[10:40] <Lure> ;)
[10:41] <Lure> NM does scans all the time and this causes disconects on madwifi (as scan is not perofrmed in background)
[10:45] <Pygi> perhaps we could make NM not scan all the time...
[10:45] <Pygi> that would probably be much easier ^_^
[10:46] <Lure> Pygi: I have seen once a post that this is possible (scan only on disconnect), but now I cannot find it in archives :-(
[10:46] <Lure> this could at least be workaround for madwifi users
[10:48] <Pygi> yes. and thats good
[10:49] <allee> Pygi: correction: let it scan, as long as no network cable is plugged in ;)
[10:50] <allee> Pygi: didn't the annoucement mention a modules packages with this 'allow scanning' backported?
[10:50] <Pygi> nop
[10:51] <Lure> allee: just WPA support enabled in madwifi (safe patch, will be in official repo tommorow)
[10:51] <allee> ah 'k
[10:51] <allee> knetworkmanager is also discussed in n-m gnome.org list? or is there a SuSE list? or ...
[10:51] <Pygi> allee: do you know where can I find info/patch on how to workaround that ?
[10:52] <allee> Pygi: I read about it. wait. Searching ...
[10:52] <Lure> allee: do not follow SuSE much, therefore I am not sure...
[10:53] <allee> Lure: me too. I'll would like find out too, if the SuSE svn is accessible ...
[10:59] <allee> Pygi: there something about l-m-r in accoucement on kubuntu-devel.  (But it looks like the backporting I remembered, happened in wpasupplicant and not madwifi-old)
[11:00] <Pygi> allee: I am subscribed to that, but haven't seen it...
[11:01] <Lure> allee: talking about NM 0.6 announcement - Pygi sent that mail! ;-)
[11:01] <Pygi> Lure: o joy ^_^
[11:01] <allee> lol
[11:03] <Pygi> allee: was there every any answer to that thread? I haven't seen none??
[11:04] <Lure> Pygi: several - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016641.html
[11:04] <Pygi> Lure: this is ubuntu-devel
[11:04] <Pygi> I am interested in kubuntu-devel
[11:05] <Lure> Pygi: no - KDE theme is top discussion there ;-)
[11:06] <Pygi> Lure: hm, I don't seem to get any mail from that list :-/
[11:07] <allee> Pygi: no reply in my kubuntu-devel folder.  but It's my impression 95% is happening here and not in kubuntu-devel
[11:07] <allee> 95% is a conservative guess ;)
[11:10] <Pygi> k, I am off now ^_^
[11:11] <allee> Pygi: bye
[11:11] <Lure> Pygi: bye
[11:28] <kmon> sebas: Hi. I can't load display in systemsettings.
[11:29] <Riddell> kmon: which version?
[11:29] <kmon> sebas: here's the error:
[11:29] <kmon> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/617019
[11:29] <kmon> I think lastests
[11:30] <kmon> dapper
[11:34] <kmon> I'm using an amd64 laptop with x700 ati card (fglrx)
[11:36] <Riddell> wait for0.6.3
[11:37] <Riddell> infact I'll upload that tonight so try again tomorrow
[11:37] <kmon> Riddell: Ok
[11:39] <allee> Riddell: hi, do you happen to know why Tonio_ removed n-m-{openvpn,vpnc} ?  Are they dapper+1?
[11:39] <allee> I mean the support for them in knetworkmanager
[11:40] <Riddell> allee: no idea
[11:40] <allee> Riddell: 'k (because debian did not, but they use an older snapshot than tonio)