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| LaserJock | hi theCore | 01:45 |
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| LaserJock | I gotta run a quick errand, I'll be back in ~10 min. | 01:46 |
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| Burgundavia | salut robitaille | 04:21 |
| robitaille | bonsoir Burgundavia | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | hi Burgundavia and robitaille | 04:26 |
| Burgundavia | ogra congratulates the server guide people for good writing | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | check out the third from the bottom item | 04:31 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: "He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it"? | 04:33 |
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| theCore | Burgundavia: I didn't know something like was being developped | 04:44 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: like that* | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | oh, hi theCore | 04:44 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: It remind me an article | 04:44 |
| theCore | hello LaserJock | 04:45 |
| theCore | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000461.html | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | interesting, I've noticed some of that with my wife | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | in Windows I'll ask her where she saved a file, "Word" she says | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | Then I have to go an hunt down where exactly she put it (usually I can just reopen the save dialog and figure out which directory she was in) | 04:48 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: how far the development of GNOME Storage is? | 04:51 |
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| bhuvan | LaserJock: ping | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | bhuvan: pong | 05:19 |
| bhuvan | LaserJock, i suggest you to use entities for packaging guide | 05:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, for what? | 05:20 |
| bhuvan | you can include title, revision, distro, etc. in generic/libs/generic.ent and use them | 05:20 |
| bhuvan | thus, imo, it would be easy to update the title, distro in future .. | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | ok, I use a couple. I just haven't had a chance to go through and figure out what all should be entities | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, apparently I'm using libs/global.ent . Is there a reason to use generic/libs/generic.ent? | 05:25 |
| bhuvan | i guess it's specific to generic documents; | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | ok, makes sense | 05:27 |
| bhuvan | each ubuntu, kubuntu has seperate .ent files; so, generic does; | 05:27 |
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| Madpilot | hi robotgeek | 05:44 |
| robotgeek | hey Madpilot | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | hi robotgeek and Madpilot | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | hey LaserJock | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: hmm, is it normal to get not validate error when you try ../../../validate.sh getting-started.xml in Ubuntu Desktop Guide | 05:54 |
| Madpilot | it worked last time I tried it | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | sorry, nvm | 05:54 |
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| Madpilot | it works here, with current SVN | 05:55 |
| robotgeek | yeah, sorry for the alarm, cdpath confusion error | 05:56 |
| robotgeek | how do you put something at the beginning of a file, instead of appending | 06:10 |
| robotgeek | mdke: i have put in xincludes in the desktop guide, it "works" | 06:16 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: salut | 06:19 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 06:19 |
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| Burgundavia | bhuvan: ogra congratulates you on excellent server guide | 06:23 |
| bhuvan | Burgundavia, hmm, ok | 06:24 |
| Burgundavia | I need some good book recommendations for intermediate and advanced commandline usage | 06:25 |
| bhuvan | did you mean good book on bash commands ? | 06:26 |
| Burgundavia | more general commandline usage | 06:26 |
| Burgundavia | something oreilly would be great | 06:27 |
| bhuvan | Burgundavia, http://www.tatamcgrawhill.com/digital_solutions/sumitabhadas/ | 06:28 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: hmm, a great deal is present in the advanced bash sctipting guide, install abs-guide | 06:28 |
| Madpilot | Linux in a Nutshell | 06:28 |
| bhuvan | i second "Linux in a Nutshell". it is an excellent book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1565925858/102-3898337-9647308?v=glance&n=283155 | 06:30 |
| Madpilot | it's a great fat book, though - a reference rather than a tutorial book | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: oh, fyi, Ufo:ai has resumed development | 06:32 |
| Madpilot | very cool! | 06:32 |
| robotgeek | funny, the Kubuntu Desktop Guide doesn't generate clickable email link, while the rest of the docs do | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | you might also want to check out Galaxy Mage | 06:34 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: the other day, you mentioned a screencast recording program, bynaz or something, you have a link? | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | byzanz | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1261 | 06:36 |
| robotgeek | thanks | 06:38 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia, some of Galaxy Mage's art looks like it was borrowed from Wesnoth :P | 06:52 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: gpl baby! | 06:52 |
| Madpilot | http://www.galaxymage.org/index.php/Image:Screenshot-prealpha-05.jpg <-- the mounted thing on the end of the drawbridge is, I'm pretty sure, Wesnoth's undead cav unit | 06:53 |
| Madpilot | vive le GPL, etc :P | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | all the art for the first few releases is Wesnoth | 06:54 |
| Burgundavia | this gets you off the ground with decent looking art, so you can attract the artists | 06:54 |
| Madpilot | good for them - Wesnoth might wind up 'mentoring' a bunch of games | 06:55 |
| Burgundavia | wesnoth has truly been an open source success story | 06:56 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke: I love the new browser start page. It is compact, easy to parse and help users as well as us | 07:21 |
| robotgeek | -> bed | 07:32 |
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| Madpilot | WTF? Check the history of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo - someone just added a really f'd up looking piece of advice, which Seveas deleted... | 08:31 |
| Burgundavia | digg had something about sudo os X | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | and how to break it | 08:33 |
| Madpilot | some moron evidently found out that it worked in Ubuntu too... | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | fun | 08:34 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, is there a way to convince MoinMoin to show all edits by a given user? | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: nope | 08:37 |
| Madpilot | too bad | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | afaik | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | the data is there, it is just not an easy to do | 08:38 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, oh thanks. | 08:44 |
| mdke | robotgeek_zzz, rock | 08:44 |
| mdke | bhuvan, I read through the email section last night. it's good, but the postfix section is a bit confusing. The other thing I'd say about the language is don't use "Please do x" or "You can do x". Just say "Do x" :) | 09:04 |
| bhuvan | mdke, ok | 09:05 |
| mdke | bhuvan, the other thing was, how come postfix is used for the email section, but exim in the mailman section? maybe there could be a section on exim and postfix in the email section, and then refer to it in the mailman section? | 09:06 |
| mdke | oh and another thing, I think synaptic can be removed from the packaging.xml file for the same reasons as gnome-app-install was removed: it's gnome only and UI only | 09:06 |
| bhuvan | mdke, postfix is in main; exim is in universe; i guess, we should make changes to mailman to use exim if we have not already | 09:07 |
| bhuvan | mdke, yeah we can remove synaptic; i'll do that | 09:07 |
| mdke | cool | 09:08 |
| mdke | you mean we should make changes to mailman to use postfix? | 09:08 |
| bhuvan | yep | 09:08 |
| bhuvan | mdke, i'm again facing an issue with sample/*. this time it is with serverguide | 09:10 |
| mdke | bhuvan, ok, I'm sure we can fix that | 09:10 |
| mdke | by the way, exim is in main too, i think | 09:10 |
| bhuvan | i referred http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/allpackages.en.txt.gz; but, it doesnt seem to be ? | 09:10 |
| mdke | http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/mail/exim4-base | 09:11 |
| mdke | for some reason the exim4 metapackage is in universe | 09:11 |
| bhuvan | mdke, ok | 09:13 |
| mdke | bhuvan, they are moving it to main | 09:13 |
| mdke | -> work | 09:14 |
| bhuvan | mdke, ok; so we'll include both postfix and exim in mail services section ? | 09:14 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, if you have time, I don't see why not | 09:14 |
| bhuvan | mdke, ok | 09:14 |
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| mdke | oh awesome | 09:15 |
| mdke | should be 1-1 | 09:15 |
| bhuvan | yeah :) | 09:16 |
| mdke | see ya in a bit | 09:16 |
| bhuvan | sure | 09:16 |
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| trappist | do my activities here somehow affect my malone karma? it just shot up from ~250 to ~50,000 and I haven't been that active with bugs | 03:35 |
| mdke | trappist, no, the karma system has just changed | 04:20 |
| mdke | or rather, yeah, the more reviewing of our docs you do, the more karma you get *honest* | 04:20 |
| trappist | ;) | 04:21 |
| robotgeek | heh, my karma is ~40K. they changed it quite a bit, from 300 -> 40K, quite a jump | 04:26 |
| robotgeek | mdke: the status page for Kubuntu Desktop Guide isn't being generated! help! | 04:36 |
| robotgeek | mdke: nvm, found it and fixed it | 04:40 |
| robotgeek | it would be nice to somehow differentiate between exernal links, and links with the document | 04:44 |
| ompaul | I went to 618 from 18 | 05:14 |
| ompaul | mad I tell ya its all mad :) | 05:15 |
| ompaul | Burgwork, got 3 mins? | 05:15 |
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| Burgwork | ompaul, yep | 06:22 |
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| ompaul | Burgwork, just a random idea, the www.ubuntu.com site has a fair few locked documents in it, I was thinking that if they were on wiki.ubuntu.com/website/* they could be changed little by little until someone comes along and says "this could do with being made live" | 06:24 |
| ompaul | done :) | 06:24 |
| Burgwork | ompaul, if you want to work on a doc, I can copy it over, ala the faq | 06:26 |
| ompaul | okay, I'll find something :) | 06:26 |
| ompaul | I'll poke you in a few hours | 06:26 |
| Burgwork | there is already Website/Desktop on the wiki | 06:26 |
| Burgwork | sure | 06:26 |
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| LaserJock | Burgwork: you like MediaWiki, right? | 07:57 |
| Burgwork | yes I do | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking that some of the discussion going on in the ML would be helped by having /talk pages | 07:59 |
| Burgwork | yes, it would | 07:59 |
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| k31th | im baned from ububtu for some reason! | 08:00 |
| k31th | can some one unban me ? | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | it seems like it would allow for discussion about pages. Right now it seems like there isn't a good way to discuss a page | 08:00 |
| k31th | ? | 08:03 |
| k31th | can some one ask for me to be unbaned | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | k31th: just a sec | 08:03 |
| k31th | thanks | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well I don't know if there are any admins in #ubuntu at the moment | 08:08 |
| Burgwork | what do you need? | 08:09 |
| k31th | to be un baned | 08:09 |
| Burgwork | k31th, if you are banned from #ubuntu, it should be stated why | 08:09 |
| k31th | no. | 08:09 |
| k31th | i disconnected now i try to go in the chan and it says baned | 08:09 |
| k31th | 18:42 -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu (You are banned) | 08:09 |
| Burgwork | k31th, when were you last in #ubuntu? | 08:10 |
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| k31th | well i thought i was in there today bu i was deff in there yesterday | 08:11 |
| k31th | i idle there | 08:11 |
| k31th | and help n00bs tbh. | 08:11 |
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| Burgwork | and when did you find out you were banned? | 08:12 |
| k31th | when i just tried to connect | 08:12 |
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| Burgwork | which nick do you usually go under? | 08:13 |
| k31th | k31th | 08:13 |
| k31th | seems they baned my ip | 08:13 |
| Burgwork | just a sec | 08:13 |
| manicka | Laserjock: Kassetra can't help with #ubuntu | 08:14 |
| LaserJock | manicka: I know, I need her for something else | 08:14 |
| Burgwork | k31th, I see evidence you called someone a n00b and said WTF to another | 08:15 |
| k31th | where ? | 08:15 |
| k31th | when | 08:15 |
| manicka | k | 08:16 |
| Burgwork | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-2006-03-21.html | 08:16 |
| Burgwork | search for your nick | 08:16 |
| k31th | im sure i ment it in the nicest possible way | 08:16 |
| Burgwork | regardless, those are not acceptable things to say in #ubuntu or any ubuntu channel | 08:16 |
| k31th | oh | 08:16 |
| k31th | i called dash- a n00b and richardp they both work here lol | 08:17 |
| k31th | i think iv helped many and offened no one | 08:17 |
| k31th | and tbh i find it a little harsh | 08:20 |
| trappist | 18:03 -!- k31th is now known as IkillJEWS | 08:22 |
| trappist | 18:04 -!- IkillJEWS is now known as k31th | 08:22 |
| trappist | 18:47 -!- k31th [n=keith@87.117.194.66] has left #ubuntu [requested by nalioth: "you should know better"] | 08:22 |
| trappist | that probably didn't help | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 08:23 |
| mdke | LaserJock, you can make talk pages on the wiki. perhaps we should encourage their use | 08:25 |
| Burgwork | k31th, with that, I don't think I will unban you. You should know better | 08:25 |
| Burgwork | trappist, good catch | 08:25 |
| mdke | although there is more than half an hour between the nickchange and the ban, so there may have been another reason | 08:26 |
| trappist | mdke: that was the output of /last k31th on #ubuntu, so if he said anything else it wasn't as k31th | 08:28 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:29 |
| mdke | oh well | 08:29 |
| Burgwork | odd the 1/2 hour gap | 08:29 |
| trappist | yeah | 08:29 |
| Burgwork | likely nobody saw it | 08:29 |
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| mdke | #ubuntu is a weird channel | 08:29 |
| Burgwork | as I said to Seveas yesterday, happily I no longer have time to follow #ubuntu | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | It gives me a headache :( | 08:30 |
| mdke | i don't go there much | 08:30 |
| mdke | but it seems that they can be a bit pushy in there | 08:30 |
| trappist | that's true | 08:31 |
| mdke | "our way is best" sort of thing | 08:32 |
| trappist | I got jumped on for a 1-line paste because... no pasting | 08:32 |
| mdke | heh | 08:32 |
| Burgwork | it really is busy and they need to be vigilant | 08:32 |
| mdke | when I was at university | 08:32 |
| mdke | the porters there would be a bit like that, and bitch at you for any reason | 08:33 |
| mdke | i came to the conclusion it was because they liked to think they were really powerful | 08:33 |
| Burgwork | mdke is an old man. Here come the "When I was..' | 08:33 |
| Burgwork | stories :) | 08:33 |
| mdke | lol | 08:33 |
| mdke | i was reading the server guide yesterday | 08:35 |
| mdke | it is not bad, but will need some language love and accuracy testing I think | 08:35 |
| mdke | if we have time | 08:35 |
| trappist | I got the language love | 08:36 |
| trappist | and some time, though not as much as i had last week | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | trappist: I've got the status report for the Packaging Guide going too ;-) | 08:37 |
| mdke | cool cool | 08:38 |
| trappist | excellent | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | I think anything with "Awaiting Review" you can have at | 08:38 |
| trappist | rockin. | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm going to trim off some stuff and focus on the rest | 08:39 |
| mdke | the server guide could probably do with a bit more procedure lists, I think. There are too many "Next do this, next do this" paragraphs | 08:39 |
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| k31th | Burgwork: WAT | 09:04 |
| Burgwork | k31th, sorry? | 09:05 |
| k31th | Burgwork: i didnt do that i swear | 09:05 |
| Burgwork | it is your IP and your nick | 09:05 |
| k31th | yeah | 09:05 |
| k31th | but didnt do it | 09:06 |
| k31th | i wont explain my self any futher you can belive me or not | 09:06 |
| robotgeek | trappist: can you paste me that oneliner using readline and stuff? | 09:25 |
| trappist | robotgeek: I don't remember what we were talking about | 09:25 |
| robotgeek | trappist: for validating modified documents | 09:26 |
| trappist | oh, I'll have to try to do it from memory: svn stat | egrep '^M' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done | 09:27 |
| robotgeek | trappist: cool.thanks. i'll wikify this time :) | 09:27 |
| trappist | :) | 09:27 |
| trappist | that only validates modified files, btw | 09:28 |
| trappist | svn stat | egrep '^M.+\.xml$' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done | 09:28 |
| trappist | to only get xml files | 09:28 |
| robotgeek | trappist: thanks, that will avoid my for in `ls *.xml` | 09:32 |
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| Burgwork | robotgeek, you are Namaan no (my brain is very very tired) | 09:58 |
| robotgeek | Burgwork: nope, i am Venkat Raghavan. bustacap | 09:58 |
| robotgeek | bustacap is naaman | 09:58 |
| Burgwork | ah | 09:58 |
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| Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowTo <-- umm | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | very informative | 11:26 |
| Burgwork | nuke it? | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | I hate nuking things but if you don't know what a HowTo is already I'm not sure how you are supposed to find that page | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | and I don't think it has any relevance really | 11:29 |
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