[01:45] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[01:46] <LaserJock> I gotta run a quick errand, I'll be back in ~10 min.
[04:21] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille
[04:21] <robitaille> bonsoir Burgundavia 
[04:26] <LaserJock> hi Burgundavia and robitaille 
[04:28] <Burgundavia> ogra congratulates the server guide people for good writing
[04:31] <Burgundavia> check out the third from the bottom item
[04:31] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html
[04:33] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: "He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it"?
[04:44] <theCore> Burgundavia: I didn't know something like was being developped
[04:44] <theCore> Burgundavia: like that*
[04:44] <LaserJock> oh, hi theCore 
[04:44] <theCore> Burgundavia: It remind me an article 
[04:45] <theCore> hello LaserJock
[04:45] <theCore> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000461.html
[04:46] <LaserJock> interesting, I've noticed some of that with my wife
[04:47] <LaserJock> in Windows I'll ask her where she saved a file, "Word" she says
[04:48] <LaserJock> Then I have to go an hunt down where exactly she put it (usually I can just reopen the save dialog and figure out which directory she was in)
[04:51] <theCore> Burgundavia: how far the development of GNOME Storage is?
[05:16] <bhuvan> LaserJock: ping
[05:19] <LaserJock> bhuvan: pong
[05:20] <bhuvan> LaserJock, i suggest you to use entities for packaging guide
[05:20] <LaserJock> yeah, for what?
[05:20] <bhuvan> you can include title, revision, distro, etc. in generic/libs/generic.ent and use them
[05:21] <bhuvan> thus, imo, it would be easy to update the title, distro in future ..
[05:23] <LaserJock> ok, I use a couple. I just haven't had a chance to go through and figure out what all  should be entities
[05:25] <LaserJock> hmm, apparently I'm using libs/global.ent . Is there a reason to use generic/libs/generic.ent?
[05:26] <bhuvan> i guess it's specific to generic documents;
[05:27] <LaserJock> ok, makes sense
[05:27] <bhuvan> each ubuntu, kubuntu has seperate .ent files; so, generic does;
[05:44] <Madpilot> hi robotgeek 
[05:44] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot 
[05:46] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek and Madpilot 
[05:46] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock 
[05:54] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, is it normal to get not  validate error when you try ../../../validate.sh getting-started.xml in Ubuntu Desktop Guide
[05:54] <Madpilot> it worked last time I tried it
[05:54] <robotgeek> sorry, nvm
[05:55] <Madpilot> it works here, with current SVN
[05:56] <robotgeek> yeah, sorry for the alarm, cdpath confusion error
[06:10] <robotgeek> how do you put something at the beginning of a file, instead of appending
[06:16] <robotgeek> mdke: i have put in xincludes in the desktop guide, it "works"
[06:19] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: salut
[06:19] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[06:23] <Burgundavia> bhuvan: ogra congratulates you on excellent server guide
[06:24] <bhuvan> Burgundavia, hmm, ok
[06:25] <Burgundavia> I need some good book recommendations for intermediate and advanced commandline usage
[06:26] <bhuvan> did you mean good book on bash commands ?
[06:26] <Burgundavia> more general commandline usage
[06:27] <Burgundavia> something oreilly would be great
[06:28] <bhuvan> Burgundavia, http://www.tatamcgrawhill.com/digital_solutions/sumitabhadas/
[06:28] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: hmm, a great deal is present in the advanced bash sctipting guide, install abs-guide 
[06:28] <Madpilot> Linux in a Nutshell
[06:30] <bhuvan> i second "Linux in a Nutshell". it is an excellent book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1565925858/102-3898337-9647308?v=glance&n=283155
[06:31] <Madpilot> it's a great fat book, though - a reference rather than a tutorial book
[06:32] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: oh, fyi, Ufo:ai has resumed development
[06:32] <Madpilot> very cool!
[06:34] <robotgeek> funny, the Kubuntu Desktop Guide doesn't generate clickable email link, while the rest of the docs do
[06:34] <Burgundavia> you might also want to check out Galaxy Mage
[06:35] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: the other day, you mentioned a screencast recording program, bynaz or something, you have a link?
[06:36] <Burgundavia> byzanz
[06:36] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1261
[06:38] <robotgeek> thanks
[06:52] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, some of Galaxy Mage's art looks like it was borrowed from Wesnoth :P
[06:52] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: gpl baby!
[06:53] <Madpilot> http://www.galaxymage.org/index.php/Image:Screenshot-prealpha-05.jpg <-- the mounted thing on the end of the drawbridge is, I'm pretty sure, Wesnoth's undead cav unit
[06:53] <Madpilot> vive le GPL, etc :P
[06:54] <Burgundavia> all the art for the first few releases is Wesnoth
[06:54] <Burgundavia> this gets you off the ground with decent looking art, so you can attract the artists
[06:55] <Madpilot> good for them - Wesnoth might wind up 'mentoring' a bunch of games
[06:56] <Burgundavia> wesnoth has truly been an open source success story
[07:21] <Burgundavia> mdke: I love the new browser start page. It is compact, easy to parse and help users as well as us
[07:32] <robotgeek> -> bed
[08:31] <Madpilot> WTF? Check the history of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo - someone just added a really f'd up looking piece of advice, which Seveas deleted...
[08:33] <Burgundavia> digg had something about sudo os X
[08:33] <Burgundavia> and how to break it
[08:34] <Madpilot> some moron evidently found out that it worked in Ubuntu too...
[08:34] <Burgundavia> fun
[08:36] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, is there a way to convince MoinMoin to show all edits by a given user?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: nope
[08:37] <Madpilot> too bad
[08:37] <Burgundavia> afaik
[08:38] <Burgundavia> the data is there, it is just not an easy to do
[08:44] <mdke> Burgundavia, oh thanks.
[08:44] <mdke> robotgeek_zzz, rock
[09:04] <mdke> bhuvan, I read through the email section last night. it's good, but the postfix section is a bit confusing. The other thing I'd say about the language is don't use "Please do x" or "You can do x". Just say "Do x" :)
[09:05] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[09:06] <mdke> bhuvan, the other thing was, how come postfix is used for the email section, but exim in the mailman section? maybe there could be a section on exim and postfix in the email section, and then refer to it in the mailman section?
[09:06] <mdke> oh and another thing, I think synaptic can be removed from the packaging.xml file for the same reasons as gnome-app-install was removed: it's gnome only and UI only
[09:07] <bhuvan> mdke, postfix is in main; exim is in universe; i guess, we should make changes to mailman to use exim if we have not already
[09:07] <bhuvan> mdke, yeah we can remove synaptic; i'll do that
[09:08] <mdke> cool
[09:08] <mdke> you mean we should make changes to mailman to use postfix?
[09:08] <bhuvan> yep
[09:10] <bhuvan> mdke, i'm again facing an issue with sample/*. this time it is with serverguide
[09:10] <mdke> bhuvan, ok, I'm sure we can fix that
[09:10] <mdke> by the way, exim is in main too, i think
[09:10] <bhuvan> i referred http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/allpackages.en.txt.gz; but, it doesnt seem to be ?
[09:11] <mdke> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/mail/exim4-base
[09:11] <mdke> for some reason the exim4 metapackage is in universe
[09:13] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[09:13] <mdke> bhuvan, they are moving it to main
[09:14] <mdke> -> work
[09:14] <bhuvan> mdke, ok; so we'll include both postfix and exim in mail services section ?
[09:14] <mdke> bhuvan, if you have time, I don't see why not
[09:14] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[09:15] <mdke> oh awesome
[09:15] <mdke> should be 1-1
[09:16] <bhuvan> yeah :)
[09:16] <mdke> see ya in a bit
[09:16] <bhuvan> sure
[12:25] <silvo> Hej
[03:35] <trappist> do my activities here somehow affect my malone karma?  it just shot up from ~250 to ~50,000 and I haven't been that active with bugs
[04:20] <mdke> trappist, no, the karma system has just changed
[04:20] <mdke> or rather, yeah, the more reviewing of our docs you do, the more karma you get *honest*
[04:21] <trappist> ;)
[04:26] <robotgeek> heh, my karma is ~40K. they changed it quite a bit, from 300 -> 40K, quite a jump 
[04:36] <robotgeek> mdke: the status page for Kubuntu Desktop Guide isn't being generated! help!
[04:40] <robotgeek> mdke: nvm, found it and fixed it
[04:44] <robotgeek> it would be nice to somehow differentiate between exernal links, and links with the document
[05:14] <ompaul> I went to 618 from 18
[05:15] <ompaul> mad I tell ya its all mad :)
[05:15] <ompaul> Burgwork, got 3 mins?
[06:22] <Burgwork> ompaul, yep
[06:24] <ompaul> Burgwork, just a random idea, the www.ubuntu.com site has a fair few locked documents in it, I was thinking that if they were on wiki.ubuntu.com/website/* they could be changed little by little until someone comes along and says "this could do with being made live"
[06:24] <ompaul> done :)
[06:26] <Burgwork> ompaul, if you want to work on a doc, I can copy it over, ala the faq
[06:26] <ompaul> okay, I'll find something :)
[06:26] <ompaul> I'll poke you in a few hours
[06:26] <Burgwork> there is already Website/Desktop on the wiki
[06:26] <Burgwork> sure
[07:57] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you like MediaWiki, right?
[07:57] <Burgwork> yes I do
[07:59] <LaserJock> I was thinking that some of the discussion going on in the ML would be helped by having /talk pages
[07:59] <Burgwork> yes, it would
[08:00] <k31th> im baned from ububtu for some reason!
[08:00] <k31th> can some one unban me ?
[08:00] <LaserJock> it seems like it would allow for discussion about pages. Right now it seems like there isn't a good way to discuss a page
[08:03] <k31th> ?
[08:03] <k31th> can some one ask for me to be unbaned 
[08:03] <LaserJock> k31th: just a sec
[08:04] <k31th> thanks
[08:08] <LaserJock> hmm, well I don't know if there are any admins in #ubuntu at the moment
[08:09] <Burgwork> what do you need?
[08:09] <k31th> to be un baned
[08:09] <Burgwork> k31th, if you are banned from #ubuntu, it should be stated why
[08:09] <k31th> no.
[08:09] <k31th> i disconnected now i try to go in the chan and it says baned
[08:09] <k31th> 18:42 -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu (You are banned)
[08:10] <Burgwork> k31th, when were you last in #ubuntu?
[08:11] <k31th> well i thought i was in there today bu i was deff in there yesterday
[08:11] <k31th> i idle there
[08:11] <k31th> and help n00bs tbh.
[08:12] <Burgwork> and when did you find out you were banned?
[08:12] <k31th> when i just tried to connect
[08:13] <Burgwork> which nick do you usually go under?
[08:13] <k31th> k31th
[08:13] <k31th> seems they baned my ip
[08:13] <Burgwork> just a sec
[08:14] <manicka> Laserjock: Kassetra can't help with #ubuntu
[08:14] <LaserJock> manicka: I know, I need her for something else
[08:15] <Burgwork> k31th, I see evidence you called someone a n00b and said WTF to another
[08:15] <k31th> where ?
[08:15] <k31th> when
[08:16] <manicka> k
[08:16] <Burgwork> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-2006-03-21.html
[08:16] <Burgwork> search for your nick
[08:16] <k31th> im sure i ment it in the nicest possible way 
[08:16] <Burgwork> regardless, those are not acceptable things to say in #ubuntu or any ubuntu channel
[08:16] <k31th> oh
[08:17] <k31th> i called dash- a n00b and richardp  they both work here lol
[08:17] <k31th> i think iv helped many and offened no one
[08:20] <k31th> and tbh i find it a little harsh
[08:22] <trappist> 18:03 -!- k31th is now known as IkillJEWS
[08:22] <trappist> 18:04 -!- IkillJEWS is now known as k31th
[08:22] <trappist> 18:47 -!- k31th [n=keith@87.117.194.66]  has left #ubuntu [requested by nalioth: "you should know better"] 
[08:22] <trappist> that probably didn't help
[08:23] <LaserJock> yikes
[08:25] <mdke> LaserJock, you can make talk pages on the wiki. perhaps we should encourage their use
[08:25] <Burgwork> k31th, with that, I don't think I will unban you. You should know better
[08:25] <Burgwork> trappist, good catch
[08:26] <mdke> although there is more than half an hour between the nickchange and the ban, so there may have been another reason
[08:28] <trappist> mdke: that was the output of /last k31th on #ubuntu, so if he said anything else it wasn't as k31th
[08:29] <mdke> hmm
[08:29] <mdke> oh well
[08:29] <Burgwork> odd the 1/2 hour gap
[08:29] <trappist> yeah
[08:29] <Burgwork> likely nobody saw it
[08:29] <mdke> #ubuntu is a weird channel
[08:30] <Burgwork> as I said to Seveas yesterday, happily I no longer have time to follow #ubuntu
[08:30] <LaserJock> It gives me a headache :(
[08:30] <mdke> i don't go there much
[08:30] <mdke> but it seems that they can be a bit pushy in there
[08:31] <trappist> that's true
[08:32] <mdke> "our way is best" sort of thing
[08:32] <trappist> I got jumped on for a 1-line paste because... no pasting
[08:32] <mdke> heh
[08:32] <Burgwork> it really is busy and they need to be vigilant
[08:32] <mdke> when I was at university
[08:33] <mdke> the porters there would be a bit like that, and bitch at you for any reason
[08:33] <mdke> i came to the conclusion it was because they liked to think they were really powerful
[08:33] <Burgwork> mdke is an old man.  Here come the "When I was..'
[08:33] <Burgwork> stories :)
[08:33] <mdke> lol
[08:35] <mdke> i was reading the server guide yesterday
[08:35] <mdke> it is not bad, but will need some language love and accuracy testing I think
[08:35] <mdke> if we have time
[08:36] <trappist> I got the language love
[08:36] <trappist> and some time, though not as much as i had last week
[08:37] <LaserJock> trappist: I've got the status report for the Packaging Guide going too ;-)
[08:38] <mdke> cool cool
[08:38] <trappist> excellent
[08:38] <LaserJock> I think anything with "Awaiting Review" you can have at
[08:39] <trappist> rockin.
[08:39] <LaserJock> I'm going to trim off some stuff and focus on the rest
[08:39] <mdke> the server guide could probably do with a bit more procedure lists, I think. There are too many "Next do this, next do this" paragraphs
[09:04] <k31th> Burgwork: WAT
[09:05] <Burgwork> k31th, sorry?
[09:05] <k31th> Burgwork: i didnt do that i swear
[09:05] <Burgwork> it is your IP and your nick
[09:05] <k31th> yeah
[09:06] <k31th> but didnt do it 
[09:06] <k31th> i wont explain my self any futher you can belive me or not 
[09:25] <robotgeek> trappist: can you paste me that oneliner using readline and stuff?
[09:25] <trappist> robotgeek: I don't remember what we were talking about
[09:26] <robotgeek> trappist: for validating modified documents
[09:27] <trappist> oh, I'll have to try to do it from memory: svn stat | egrep '^M' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done
[09:27] <robotgeek> trappist: cool.thanks. i'll wikify this time :)
[09:27] <trappist> :)
[09:28] <trappist> that only validates modified files, btw
[09:28] <trappist> svn stat | egrep '^M.+\.xml$' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done
[09:28] <trappist> to only get xml files
[09:32] <robotgeek> trappist: thanks, that will avoid my for in `ls *.xml`
[09:58] <Burgwork> robotgeek, you are Namaan no (my brain is very very tired)
[09:58] <robotgeek> Burgwork: nope, i am Venkat Raghavan. bustacap
[09:58] <robotgeek> bustacap is naaman
[09:58] <Burgwork> ah
[11:24] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowTo <-- umm
[11:26] <LaserJock> very informative
[11:27] <Burgwork> nuke it?
[11:29] <LaserJock> I hate nuking things but if you don't know what a HowTo is already I'm not sure how you are supposed to find that page
[11:29] <LaserJock> and I don't think it has any relevance really