=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-122.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp206-194.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp206-194.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205619.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:45] hi theCore [01:46] I gotta run a quick errand, I'll be back in ~10 min. === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp206-194.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:21] salut robitaille [04:21] bonsoir Burgundavia [04:26] hi Burgundavia and robitaille [04:28] ogra congratulates the server guide people for good writing [04:31] check out the third from the bottom item [04:31] http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/features.html [04:33] Burgundavia: "He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it"? === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:44] Burgundavia: I didn't know something like was being developped [04:44] Burgundavia: like that* [04:44] oh, hi theCore [04:44] Burgundavia: It remind me an article [04:45] hello LaserJock [04:45] http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000461.html [04:46] interesting, I've noticed some of that with my wife [04:47] in Windows I'll ask her where she saved a file, "Word" she says [04:48] Then I have to go an hunt down where exactly she put it (usually I can just reopen the save dialog and figure out which directory she was in) [04:51] Burgundavia: how far the development of GNOME Storage is? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:16] LaserJock: ping [05:19] bhuvan: pong [05:20] LaserJock, i suggest you to use entities for packaging guide [05:20] yeah, for what? [05:20] you can include title, revision, distro, etc. in generic/libs/generic.ent and use them [05:21] thus, imo, it would be easy to update the title, distro in future .. [05:23] ok, I use a couple. I just haven't had a chance to go through and figure out what all should be entities [05:25] hmm, apparently I'm using libs/global.ent . Is there a reason to use generic/libs/generic.ent? [05:26] i guess it's specific to generic documents; [05:27] ok, makes sense [05:27] each ubuntu, kubuntu has seperate .ent files; so, generic does; === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek tries to put in xincludes [05:44] hi robotgeek [05:44] hey Madpilot [05:46] hi robotgeek and Madpilot [05:46] hey LaserJock [05:54] Madpilot: hmm, is it normal to get not validate error when you try ../../../validate.sh getting-started.xml in Ubuntu Desktop Guide [05:54] it worked last time I tried it [05:54] sorry, nvm === robotgeek is blind [05:55] it works here, with current SVN [05:56] yeah, sorry for the alarm, cdpath confusion error [06:10] how do you put something at the beginning of a file, instead of appending [06:16] mdke: i have put in xincludes in the desktop guide, it "works" [06:19] Madpilot: salut [06:19] hi Burgundavia === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:23] bhuvan: ogra congratulates you on excellent server guide [06:24] Burgundavia, hmm, ok [06:25] I need some good book recommendations for intermediate and advanced commandline usage [06:26] did you mean good book on bash commands ? [06:26] more general commandline usage [06:27] something oreilly would be great [06:28] Burgundavia, http://www.tatamcgrawhill.com/digital_solutions/sumitabhadas/ [06:28] Burgundavia: hmm, a great deal is present in the advanced bash sctipting guide, install abs-guide [06:28] Linux in a Nutshell [06:30] i second "Linux in a Nutshell". it is an excellent book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1565925858/102-3898337-9647308?v=glance&n=283155 [06:31] it's a great fat book, though - a reference rather than a tutorial book [06:32] Madpilot: oh, fyi, Ufo:ai has resumed development [06:32] very cool! [06:34] funny, the Kubuntu Desktop Guide doesn't generate clickable email link, while the rest of the docs do [06:34] you might also want to check out Galaxy Mage [06:35] Burgundavia: the other day, you mentioned a screencast recording program, bynaz or something, you have a link? [06:36] byzanz [06:36] http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1261 [06:38] thanks === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-13-71.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:52] Burgundavia, some of Galaxy Mage's art looks like it was borrowed from Wesnoth :P [06:52] Madpilot: gpl baby! [06:53] http://www.galaxymage.org/index.php/Image:Screenshot-prealpha-05.jpg <-- the mounted thing on the end of the drawbridge is, I'm pretty sure, Wesnoth's undead cav unit [06:53] vive le GPL, etc :P [06:54] all the art for the first few releases is Wesnoth [06:54] this gets you off the ground with decent looking art, so you can attract the artists [06:55] good for them - Wesnoth might wind up 'mentoring' a bunch of games [06:56] wesnoth has truly been an open source success story === Burgundavia waits for the day Ubuntu is on the front page of BBC [07:21] mdke: I love the new browser start page. It is compact, easy to parse and help users as well as us [07:32] -> bed === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka|work is now known as manicka [08:31] WTF? Check the history of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo - someone just added a really f'd up looking piece of advice, which Seveas deleted... [08:33] digg had something about sudo os X [08:33] and how to break it [08:34] some moron evidently found out that it worked in Ubuntu too... [08:34] fun [08:36] Burgundavia, is there a way to convince MoinMoin to show all edits by a given user? [08:37] Madpilot: nope [08:37] too bad [08:37] afaik [08:38] the data is there, it is just not an easy to do [08:44] Burgundavia, oh thanks. [08:44] robotgeek_zzz, rock [09:04] bhuvan, I read through the email section last night. it's good, but the postfix section is a bit confusing. The other thing I'd say about the language is don't use "Please do x" or "You can do x". Just say "Do x" :) [09:05] mdke, ok [09:06] bhuvan, the other thing was, how come postfix is used for the email section, but exim in the mailman section? maybe there could be a section on exim and postfix in the email section, and then refer to it in the mailman section? [09:06] oh and another thing, I think synaptic can be removed from the packaging.xml file for the same reasons as gnome-app-install was removed: it's gnome only and UI only [09:07] mdke, postfix is in main; exim is in universe; i guess, we should make changes to mailman to use exim if we have not already [09:07] mdke, yeah we can remove synaptic; i'll do that [09:08] cool [09:08] you mean we should make changes to mailman to use postfix? [09:08] yep [09:10] mdke, i'm again facing an issue with sample/*. this time it is with serverguide [09:10] bhuvan, ok, I'm sure we can fix that [09:10] by the way, exim is in main too, i think [09:10] i referred http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/allpackages.en.txt.gz; but, it doesnt seem to be ? [09:11] http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/mail/exim4-base [09:11] for some reason the exim4 metapackage is in universe [09:13] mdke, ok [09:13] bhuvan, they are moving it to main [09:14] -> work [09:14] mdke, ok; so we'll include both postfix and exim in mail services section ? === mdke checks the cricket before going to work [09:14] bhuvan, if you have time, I don't see why not [09:14] mdke, ok === bhuvan enjoys watching this match [09:15] oh awesome [09:15] should be 1-1 [09:16] yeah :) [09:16] see ya in a bit [09:16] sure === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.236.180] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silvo [n=silvano@d83-184-244-7.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@82.161.239.194] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:25] Hej === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@213-202-182-7.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka is now known as manicka|zZzz === silvo [n=silvano@d83-184-244-7.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-doc [""When] === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:35] do my activities here somehow affect my malone karma? it just shot up from ~250 to ~50,000 and I haven't been that active with bugs [04:20] trappist, no, the karma system has just changed [04:20] or rather, yeah, the more reviewing of our docs you do, the more karma you get *honest* [04:21] ;) [04:26] heh, my karma is ~40K. they changed it quite a bit, from 300 -> 40K, quite a jump [04:36] mdke: the status page for Kubuntu Desktop Guide isn't being generated! help! [04:40] mdke: nvm, found it and fixed it [04:44] it would be nice to somehow differentiate between exernal links, and links with the document [05:14] I went to 618 from 18 [05:15] mad I tell ya its all mad :) [05:15] Burgwork, got 3 mins? === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@haas.workdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:22] ompaul, yep === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:24] Burgwork, just a random idea, the www.ubuntu.com site has a fair few locked documents in it, I was thinking that if they were on wiki.ubuntu.com/website/* they could be changed little by little until someone comes along and says "this could do with being made live" [06:24] done :) [06:26] ompaul, if you want to work on a doc, I can copy it over, ala the faq [06:26] okay, I'll find something :) [06:26] I'll poke you in a few hours [06:26] there is already Website/Desktop on the wiki [06:26] sure === ompaul goes there === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] Burgwork: you like MediaWiki, right? [07:57] yes I do [07:59] I was thinking that some of the discussion going on in the ML would be helped by having /talk pages [07:59] yes, it would === k31th [n=keith@87.117.194.66] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:00] im baned from ububtu for some reason! [08:00] can some one unban me ? [08:00] it seems like it would allow for discussion about pages. Right now it seems like there isn't a good way to discuss a page [08:03] ? [08:03] can some one ask for me to be unbaned [08:03] k31th: just a sec [08:04] thanks [08:08] hmm, well I don't know if there are any admins in #ubuntu at the moment [08:09] what do you need? [08:09] to be un baned [08:09] k31th, if you are banned from #ubuntu, it should be stated why [08:09] no. [08:09] i disconnected now i try to go in the chan and it says baned [08:09] 18:42 -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu (You are banned) [08:10] k31th, when were you last in #ubuntu? === manicka|zZzz is now known as manicka [08:11] well i thought i was in there today bu i was deff in there yesterday [08:11] i idle there [08:11] and help n00bs tbh. === manicka is now known as manicka|zZzz === manicka|zZzz is now known as manicka [08:12] and when did you find out you were banned? [08:12] when i just tried to connect === k31th is now known as keith === keith is now known as k31th [08:13] which nick do you usually go under? [08:13] k31th [08:13] seems they baned my ip [08:13] just a sec [08:14] Laserjock: Kassetra can't help with #ubuntu [08:14] manicka: I know, I need her for something else [08:15] k31th, I see evidence you called someone a n00b and said WTF to another [08:15] where ? [08:15] when [08:16] k [08:16] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-2006-03-21.html [08:16] search for your nick [08:16] im sure i ment it in the nicest possible way [08:16] regardless, those are not acceptable things to say in #ubuntu or any ubuntu channel [08:16] oh [08:17] i called dash- a n00b and richardp they both work here lol [08:17] i think iv helped many and offened no one [08:20] and tbh i find it a little harsh [08:22] 18:03 -!- k31th is now known as IkillJEWS [08:22] 18:04 -!- IkillJEWS is now known as k31th [08:22] 18:47 -!- k31th [n=keith@87.117.194.66] has left #ubuntu [requested by nalioth: "you should know better"] [08:22] that probably didn't help [08:23] yikes [08:25] LaserJock, you can make talk pages on the wiki. perhaps we should encourage their use [08:25] k31th, with that, I don't think I will unban you. You should know better [08:25] trappist, good catch [08:26] although there is more than half an hour between the nickchange and the ban, so there may have been another reason [08:28] mdke: that was the output of /last k31th on #ubuntu, so if he said anything else it wasn't as k31th [08:29] hmm [08:29] oh well [08:29] odd the 1/2 hour gap [08:29] yeah [08:29] likely nobody saw it === mdke shrugs [08:29] #ubuntu is a weird channel [08:30] as I said to Seveas yesterday, happily I no longer have time to follow #ubuntu [08:30] It gives me a headache :( [08:30] i don't go there much [08:30] but it seems that they can be a bit pushy in there [08:31] that's true [08:32] "our way is best" sort of thing [08:32] I got jumped on for a 1-line paste because... no pasting [08:32] heh [08:32] it really is busy and they need to be vigilant [08:32] when I was at university [08:33] the porters there would be a bit like that, and bitch at you for any reason [08:33] i came to the conclusion it was because they liked to think they were really powerful [08:33] mdke is an old man. Here come the "When I was..' [08:33] stories :) [08:33] lol [08:35] i was reading the server guide yesterday [08:35] it is not bad, but will need some language love and accuracy testing I think [08:35] if we have time [08:36] I got the language love [08:36] and some time, though not as much as i had last week [08:37] trappist: I've got the status report for the Packaging Guide going too ;-) [08:38] cool cool [08:38] excellent [08:38] I think anything with "Awaiting Review" you can have at [08:39] rockin. [08:39] I'm going to trim off some stuff and focus on the rest [08:39] the server guide could probably do with a bit more procedure lists, I think. There are too many "Next do this, next do this" paragraphs === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:04] Burgwork: WAT [09:05] k31th, sorry? [09:05] Burgwork: i didnt do that i swear [09:05] it is your IP and your nick [09:05] yeah [09:06] but didnt do it [09:06] i wont explain my self any futher you can belive me or not [09:25] trappist: can you paste me that oneliner using readline and stuff? [09:25] robotgeek: I don't remember what we were talking about [09:26] trappist: for validating modified documents [09:27] oh, I'll have to try to do it from memory: svn stat | egrep '^M' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done [09:27] trappist: cool.thanks. i'll wikify this time :) [09:27] :) [09:28] that only validates modified files, btw [09:28] svn stat | egrep '^M.+\.xml$' | while read line; do ./validate.sh $line; done [09:28] to only get xml files [09:32] trappist: thanks, that will avoid my for in `ls *.xml` === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:58] robotgeek, you are Namaan no (my brain is very very tired) [09:58] Burgwork: nope, i am Venkat Raghavan. bustacap [09:58] bustacap is naaman [09:58] ah === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowTo <-- umm [11:26] very informative [11:27] nuke it? [11:29] I hate nuking things but if you don't know what a HowTo is already I'm not sure how you are supposed to find that page [11:29] and I don't think it has any relevance really