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| raphink | fr | 12:26 |
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| raphink | oops | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | lol | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | yes, you are fr raphink ;-) | 12:32 |
| raphink | lol | 12:32 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:38 |
| crimsun | 'lo | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 01:39 |
| crimsun | 'lo lj | 01:40 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock, crimsun | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | hi crimsun | 01:41 |
| bddebian | Any response from ogra on \sh? | 01:42 |
| tseng | no. | 01:42 |
| ogra | can someone collect all mail adresses of people willing to donate something ? | 01:43 |
| ogra | and send it to me ? | 01:43 |
| ogra | i'll send a mail with my bank account data and you can transfer if you want ... i'll carry it to \sh then ... | 01:44 |
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| Toadstool | gn8 everybody | 01:48 |
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| crimsun | hah. | 02:49 |
| crimsun | #include "../access/mms/asf.h" /* Who said ugly ? */ | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | heh | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | hi crimsun | 02:51 |
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| crimsun | 'lo ajmitch | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | sounds like \sh is not in a good way at the moment | 02:56 |
| crimsun | no :/ | 02:57 |
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| crimsun | hooray, sound should rock in dapper | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | yay! | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | it works well for me | 03:11 |
| bddebian | Is someone going to send ogra mails or should I just mail him directly? | 03:11 |
| crimsun | bddebian: should collect e-mail addresses then send to ogra | 03:12 |
| Amaranth | i actually have to figure out some expensives before i know how much i can send | 03:14 |
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| ajmitch | oh this is evil crap | 03:20 |
| bddebian | libgc? | 03:20 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | having to copy python-xml source package, renaming it to python2.3-xml | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | stripping out most of the binary packages | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | just so that zope2.x is installable | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | essentially doing a cut-down fork | 03:21 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 03:21 |
| ajmitch | that's what doko suggested I do :) | 03:21 |
| ajmitch | since python2.3 is fully in universe now | 03:22 |
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| ajmitch | argh, I have to do the same mess for python2.3-docutils & python2.3-imaging as well | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | what a mess | 03:28 |
| crimsun | ouch | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | zope & plone are fairly popular, we want them to be installable :) | 03:29 |
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| ajmitch | hi robitaille | 04:20 |
| robitaille | Hi ajmitch | 04:21 |
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| LaserJock | hi tritium | 04:26 |
| tritium | hi LaserJock | 04:27 |
| Kyral | Guys I have a package name question | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: shoot | 05:02 |
| Kyral | Yanno those "KDE Service Menus"? | 05:02 |
| Kyral | at KDE-Apps? | 05:02 |
| Kyral | They are just little scripts for Konqueror or Kommander | 05:03 |
| Kyral | I wanna package a bunch of them, but I don't know what name prefix to use | 05:03 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I'm terrible with names | 05:07 |
| Kyral | "kde-servicemenu-foo"? | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | sure, why not ;-) | 05:09 |
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| andrewski | new packages from debian are automatically ported over to ubuntu eventually, right? in other words, no "inclusion request" is necessary? | 05:33 |
| crimsun | when we're not in UVF/FF, yes | 05:33 |
| andrewski | well, of course. :) | 05:33 |
| andrewski | greets crimsun; still maintaining xubuntu? | 05:33 |
| crimsun | no, that has always been jani's work, I've just helped out here and there | 05:34 |
| Kyral | wait...huh | 05:34 |
| Kyral | oh damn I need to file ANOTHER UVF for GTKEdit | 05:34 |
| crimsun | you love it, man. | 05:34 |
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| andrewski | thanks, crimsun. night all! (maybe i'll squash a few more bugs before i head to bed... hmm.) | 05:37 |
| dolson | Kyral: that guy is a retard.. | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | dolson: ? | 05:39 |
| dolson | LaserJock: arnieboy.. | 05:39 |
| dolson | he's insulting everyone he can, including Seveas and Kyral and others.. | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | what else is new? :/ | 05:41 |
| Kyral | Death threats | 05:41 |
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| LaserJock | are you getting into it again? | 05:42 |
| dolson | a bit | 05:44 |
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| CarlFK | can someone give me a URL for how to make a .deb ? | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: wow, that is a can of worms you're opening there ;-) | 05:47 |
| Kyral | uuh thats the URL for the New Maintainers Guide... | 05:47 |
| Kyral | s/thats/what is | 05:48 |
| CarlFK | well, plan B: how do I get http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/comm/yate upgraded to a more recent version ? | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: ok, just a sec | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: new Debian version of upstream version? | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Resources has some good links | 05:49 |
| CarlFK | no clue. my plane was just to make it myself | 05:49 |
| CarlFK | thanks | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: www.debian.org/devel/ has a link to the Debian New Maintainers Guide, among others | 05:49 |
| CarlFK | I did send out a "who/what is maintaing this to both the yate and pkg-voip-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org | 05:50 |
| CarlFK | thanks | 05:50 |
| CarlFK | ok, thats a lot of links | 05:52 |
| nictuku | there's also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips | 05:52 |
| CarlFK | ok, thats a lot of links +1 ;) | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: I'm also working on an Ubuntu Packaging Guide | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: you can find rough (alpha) draft at doc.ubuntu.com | 05:53 |
| CarlFK | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html ? | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:54 |
| CarlFK | "Type conventions ... File names or paths to directories will be shown in monospace.... Options that you click, select, or choose in a user interface will be shown in monospace type." | 05:57 |
| CarlFK | is 2 mono's like that OK? | 05:57 |
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| LaserJock | CarlFK: I'm going to assume so. A lot of things end up in monospace | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | CarlFK: you have, italics, bold, and monospace ;-) | 05:59 |
| CarlFK | seemed odd.. just checking | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | np | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | I gotta get going, cya everybody! | 06:01 |
| CarlFK | arg | 06:05 |
| dolson | night, Kyral | 06:10 |
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| CarlFK | do I need to setup my own repository in order to build a .deb? | 06:25 |
| CarlFK | i'm trying to figure out how much of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/packaging-pbuilder.html I really need to do | 06:26 |
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| Lathiat | no | 06:44 |
| Lathiat | you can point pbuilder at an external repoistory | 06:44 |
| Lathiat | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto has the generals | 06:44 |
| CarlFK | thanks | 06:44 |
| CarlFK | so if all I want to do is take a source tarball and make a .deb, PbuilderHowto is what I need? | 06:45 |
| CarlFK | <-- "anyone interested in building packages using Ubuntu." | 06:46 |
| CarlFK | "The following assume you want to install breezy." - should that be "... install on breezy" ? | 06:46 |
| Lathiat | just s/breezy/dapper | 06:47 |
| Lathiat | and youl be fine | 06:47 |
| CarlFK | i get that part. "want to install breezy." seems like installing the whole thing | 06:47 |
| CarlFK | which I don't think it what was meant | 06:48 |
| Lathiat | install a breezy pbuilder | 06:48 |
| Lathiat | makes sense in context | 06:48 |
| Lathiat | :) | 06:48 |
| CarlFK | you might want to do something to make that clear to people that... um.. me. | 06:49 |
| CarlFK | or give me a line - I am logged in | 06:50 |
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| carl_fk | how much disk is needed for this step? sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy | 07:10 |
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| Erlang | carl_fk: my dapper.tgz takes up 75M once compressed. Its probably needs quite a bit more to build thought. | 07:11 |
| Erlang | though | 07:11 |
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| carl_fk | I gues it wont' be any bigger than the base install | 07:18 |
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| zakame | hi all | 07:23 |
| Mez | carl_fk, the creation just pulls all the essential packages | 07:25 |
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| Rotund | hello. I was wondering if there was a reason for there not being a package for Dogtail in universe (other than no one has made one yet) | 07:28 |
| carl_fk | how do I build a src package? | 07:31 |
| Mez | carl_fk, debuild -S -sa | 07:31 |
| Mez | Rotund, we're nearing the final stages of things - we need to do a lot of work - we dont really have tht much time for making new packages, and I personally have never heard of dogtail ;) | 07:32 |
| Rotund | it's for automated testing of GTK programs | 07:32 |
| Mez | If it was in debian - then that might be a different matter - but it's not - and making ubuntu-specific packages from scratch is very very very very time-consuming | 07:32 |
| Rotund | RedHat made it. It was fairly big on planet.gnome.org | 07:33 |
| Mez | Rotund, why don't you package it up? | 07:33 |
| Rotund | Okay. Just making sure there wasn't some overtelling reason | 07:33 |
| Mez | Rotund, not that I know of | 07:33 |
| Rotund | I know I had wanted it for Breezy, but it was pretty late when it got stable | 07:33 |
| ajmitch | the reason is generally lack of time | 07:33 |
| Mez | unless theres some restrictive licence or something | 07:33 |
| Rotund | nope. there's not. It's Python and some OSI license | 07:34 |
| Mez | as ajmitch said - lack of time :D | 07:34 |
| Rotund | cool. thanks. | 07:34 |
| ajmitch | reminds me, I should get back to pqm packaging | 07:34 |
| ajmitch | now that I've got my system back up & running | 07:34 |
| Mez | Rotund, if you're that eager to get it into ubuntu - why not package it yourself? I'm sure some people would be happy to review/sponsor | 07:34 |
| Mez | ajmitch, cool - I've been wanting to have a look at pqm for a while | 07:35 |
| Rotund | what is PQM? | 07:35 |
| Mez | Rotund, do you know about Bazaar? | 07:36 |
| Rotund | yup | 07:36 |
| Rotund | is it a front-end for it? | 07:36 |
| Mez | pqm = a pogram that reads emails and then merges stuff depending on the instructions in the email | 07:37 |
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| Rotund | oh wow. That's cool. Is it linked in with Meld? That would just blow my mind then. | 07:37 |
| Mez | basically - with a central line bazaar repo thingy- instead of one person doing all the merging - anyone (with sufficient rights) can email pqm to just merge stuff in etc | 07:37 |
| Rotund | so you can graphically look at what the patch changes automagically? | 07:39 |
| carl_fk | I am still lost. if all I have is source, how do I make a .deb? | 07:39 |
| ajmitch | Rotund: pqm is more to automate merges, rather than looking at things | 07:39 |
| carl_fk | hoping for an answer in the form a a URL ;) | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | carl_fk: seen the debian new maintainer's guide? :) | 07:40 |
| Rotund | ahhh. Okay. I was thinking that it would be an amazing tool for someone like Linus who gets a bunch of patches submitted to him. | 07:40 |
| carl_fk | ajmitch, yes, but that includes seting up a repo, which I was then told I don't need to do | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | carl_fk: it didn't last time I looked at it | 07:41 |
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| carl_fk | ajmitch, ok, not setting up a repo, but createing a deb sutible for being included in an official repository | 07:47 |
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| ajmitch | carl_fk: right, 2 different things entirely :) | 07:49 |
| carl_fk | neither of which I am trying to do | 07:50 |
| carl_fk | I might later (i hope) but for now I just want to make a .deb for personal use | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | making a deb for personal use is going to be basically the same as making it to get into ubuntu | 07:51 |
| ajmitch | since you still have to have the standard packaging - debian/{rules,changelog,control,copyright} | 07:52 |
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| carl_fk | more on this in the morning | 08:13 |
| carl_fk | thanks ajmitch and all | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: so you're not going to recommend the horrible hack? :P | 08:15 |
| === Hobbsee ducks! | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: hell no :P | 08:16 |
| Hobbsee | LOL! | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | I could not trust a package made with 'that thing' on my system | 08:17 |
| G0SUB | which `thing' ? | 08:17 |
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| ajmitch | the unspeakable word | 08:17 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: btw HI! :) | 08:17 |
| G0SUB | windows? | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | oh, and hey ajmitch :) i had words with my tech shop today, and should get my battery that i ordered back in early feb, on friday :D | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | G0SUB: no, something far more evil | 08:18 |
| G0SUB | Hobbsee: umm! more evil than windows? | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | yes | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | let us not speak of it | 08:18 |
| G0SUB | tell me!! | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | possibly worse than automatix, though | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: that's a tough one | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | indeed | 08:20 |
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| ajmitch | we'll see what read/write performance is really like on these drives | 08:21 |
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| Hobbsee | ah ha! a few extra packages installed let them work fine :D | 08:24 |
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| Toadstool | hi everybody | 09:10 |
| dolson | hi Toadstool | 09:10 |
| siretart | morning | 09:21 |
| siretart | puh, 50+mails in inbox.. and this since yesterday afternoon | 09:22 |
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| spacey | siretart: your so popular :) | 09:34 |
| siretart | spacey: most of them are malone bugs | 09:34 |
| siretart | about UVF exception requests and stuff | 09:34 |
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| spacey | :P | 09:38 |
| verwilst | yoyo | 09:38 |
| verwilst | jaj! | 09:41 |
| verwilst | pure-ftpd is confirmed | 09:42 |
| verwilst | *cheers* | 09:42 |
| verwilst | if pure-ftpd debs were in incoming.debian.org yesterday | 09:44 |
| verwilst | and now it's gone | 09:44 |
| verwilst | but mips/hppa/.. build of it are there now | 09:44 |
| verwilst | i'm guessing it's been sent to the compilation-server or something for inclusion into debian itself? | 09:44 |
| siretart | verwilst: well, they have been installed to the debian archive | 09:51 |
| verwilst | but not yet on packages.debian.org | 09:52 |
| verwilst | it still lists .19 there | 09:52 |
| siretart | verwilst: dinstall in debian runs at 2000 or 2100 UTC, cleaning up the incoming queue | 09:52 |
| siretart | verwilst: look in http://ftp.debian.org/ | 09:52 |
| siretart | packages.debian.org is not updated that fast | 09:52 |
| verwilst | aah yes, it's there :d | 09:53 |
| verwilst | sweet | 09:53 |
| === verwilst is glad that pureftpd is updated :) | ||
| verwilst | it was really necessary :) | 09:55 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: can you try something for me ? | 09:55 |
| siretart | verwilst: well, then go on and upload it :) | 09:58 |
| verwilst | upload it? | 09:58 |
| verwilst | oh? do i need to do that? | 09:59 |
| verwilst | siretart, whereto? | 10:04 |
| siretart | verwilst: ah, so you aren't a motu yet, but already requesting UVF freeze exceptions? | 10:05 |
| verwilst | euh | 10:06 |
| verwilst | yes? | 10:06 |
| verwilst | :p | 10:06 |
| verwilst | didn't know i had to be a motu :d | 10:06 |
| siretart | well, you need to test and prepare an upload anyway, so I assumed that requesters are somehow familiar with our procedures | 10:08 |
| verwilst | well | 10:08 |
| verwilst | daniel holbach showed me some URL's | 10:08 |
| verwilst | and i packaged the deb | 10:09 |
| verwilst | and sent the diff's and changelogs and such | 10:09 |
| verwilst | but i also mailed to the debian maintainer | 10:09 |
| verwilst | and when my packages were done, he said he just committed his to debian | 10:09 |
| verwilst | so i took his packages from incoming.debian.org | 10:09 |
| verwilst | and redid my diffs | 10:09 |
| verwilst | and added those | 10:09 |
| verwilst | and euh.. that's about all :) | 10:10 |
| siretart | verwilst: ok, then you just need somone to sponsor your upload | 10:11 |
| siretart | verwilst: repeat this several time and you will be granted upload priviledges | 10:11 |
| verwilst | sweet :) | 10:12 |
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| doko | ajmitch, ajmitch_: did you prepare 2.3 packages for python-mxtools? | 10:12 |
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| kelmo_lap | hi | 10:59 |
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| G0SUB | dholbach: hello! | 11:09 |
| dholbach | hello | 11:10 |
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| G0SUB | dholbach: can you tell me what this map signifies? http://freeshell.in/~ghoseb/map.png | 11:17 |
| dholbach | everybody in the ubuntu landscape can add himself/herself to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide | 11:18 |
| G0SUB | hmm | 11:19 |
| verwilst | hello dholbach | 11:20 |
| dholbach | hey verwilst | 11:20 |
| siretart | hey kelmo_lap | 11:27 |
| siretart | hi dholbach | 11:27 |
| kelmo_lap | hi siretart | 11:28 |
| dholbach | hey siretart | 11:28 |
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| siretart | kelmo_lap: oh, I see you already imported current wpasupplicant's current experimental branch. thanks :) | 11:35 |
| kelmo_lap | yes, and i have many more (experimental) updates to come | 11:36 |
| kelmo_lap | well, a few, not so many ; ) | 11:36 |
| siretart | ok. I will focus on bugfixing the 'stable' branch then | 11:37 |
| kelmo_lap | ok, i hope its okay for me to "go to town" on this package like i have? | 11:38 |
| kelmo_lap | at least, in the experimental branch | 11:39 |
| siretart | err, I don't understand the 'go to town' part, sorry | 11:40 |
| kelmo_lap | i hope its okay that i am making massive changes to the way wpasupplicant is used, if the experimental packaging is used in the future | 11:42 |
| kelmo_lap | go to town => massive changes ; ) | 11:42 |
| siretart | ah, I see | 11:42 |
| kelmo_lap | but, as long as that init script is there, people should get along okay | 11:42 |
| siretart | well, thats whats experimental is for, so, of course! :) | 11:42 |
| kelmo_lap | anyway, i've had a good chat to brix, from gentoo, and he has inspired some more change | 11:43 |
| siretart | cool | 11:43 |
| kelmo_lap | based on their networking "baselayout" and their general packaging | 11:44 |
| siretart | perhaps you could forward the irclog to pkg-wpa-devel? | 11:44 |
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| kelmo_lap | well, i basiclly asked him a few questions, and its probably best that i document the reasons for some pending changes in a small announcement? | 11:44 |
| siretart | I agree | 11:45 |
| kelmo_lap | i'll generate some more discussion once i am exhausted all ideas i currently have | 11:45 |
| kelmo_lap | s/am/have | 11:45 |
| siretart | okay. I'm looking forward reading them :) | 11:46 |
| kelmo_lap | okay, i'm not looking so forward to writing them (takes me a long time for some reason) | 11:46 |
| siretart | I see | 11:46 |
| seaLne | has anyone experience is packaging a ruby lib? | 11:47 |
| verwilst | i think i'll look into joomla too someday :) | 11:48 |
| verwilst | to package it | 11:48 |
| siretart | verwilst: there are already packages for it in debian/experimental | 11:50 |
| siretart | verwilst: perhaps you should look at them first | 11:50 |
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| kelmo_lap | siretart, btw, if we can do another upload of wpasupplicant to experimental soon it would be good, the last upload contained a bad typo in the init script, i'll let you know how i get on tonight | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | doko: haven't done python-mxtools yet, just python-xml, python-imaging, python-docutils | 12:07 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: I'm not a DD either, I have to bug my sponsor every time | 12:07 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: so if you want to do another upload to experimental, feel free to do :) | 12:07 |
| siretart | ok, I'm off for now. CU | 12:07 |
| ajmitch | bye siretart :) | 12:08 |
| kelmo_lap | seeya | 12:08 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: what did you want me to do earlier? :) | 12:10 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: apt-get source pornview | 12:15 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: comment out the NLS startup at the top of src/main.c | 12:16 |
| lifeless | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip debuild -us -uc -nc | 12:16 |
| lifeless | apt-get install pornview to get the runtime deps | 12:17 |
| lifeless | and then run src/pornview | 12:17 |
| lifeless | I had some interesting results. | 12:17 |
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| ajmitch | like a segfault? | 12:20 |
| dholbach | hey guys... I just wanted to let you know, that we're going to have the first BugSquad meeting on Monday - I'd highly appreciate it, if you could come, so we can try to organize the next weeks until release bug-wise | 12:48 |
| dholbach | if you have something to add to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad and the linked pages, I'd appreciate that too (so I can get out the announce ASAP) | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | ok | 12:51 |
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| _Dan_ | Hi. where'd one go for questions about translating using Launchpad ? | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | #launchpad | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | maybe :) | 01:03 |
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| _Dan_ | ajmitch: Oh yeah hehe, thanks. | 01:06 |
| verwilst | euh | 01:31 |
| verwilst | that's the package i wsa talking about | 01:31 |
| verwilst | siretart, | 01:31 |
| verwilst | i was creating my own | 01:31 |
| verwilst | but at the same time i mailed the debian maintainer | 01:31 |
| verwilst | and he said he would upload his .21 packages right away | 01:32 |
| verwilst | so i threw mine away | 01:32 |
| verwilst | and used his to make the changelog and diffstat | 01:32 |
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| Lathiat | #malone i think actually | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: ? | 01:43 |
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| doko | hmm, who is Andrew Conkling? | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | doko: what does python-mxtools need updated for? | 01:52 |
| doko | ajmitch: python2.3-psycopg | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | ok | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | ah, that's why I didn't see it, binary package is the mxdatetime one :) | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | I'll get onto it tomorrow | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | do you want me to change maintainer of these forked python2.3-* packages? :) | 01:56 |
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| armin76 | hey | 02:27 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:15 |
| verwilst | yo | 03:17 |
| G0SUB | bddebian | 03:17 |
| bddebian | Hello verwilst, G0SUB | 03:18 |
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| zakame | hi all | 03:21 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 03:21 |
| zakame | hello bddebian what's up? | 03:21 |
| bddebian | Not much, you? | 03:21 |
| zakame | learning a great deal about C and Perl :) | 03:22 |
| bddebian | Nice | 03:22 |
| bddebian | I think I am unteachable :-) | 03:22 |
| zakame | hmm because there's nothing more to teach you about? =) | 03:24 |
| bddebian | zakame: I wish. More because I'm an idiot :-( | 03:25 |
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| zakame | awww :( | 03:26 |
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| Yagisan | G'day motu's. Anyone have some links to tutorials on the different package patch systems eg dpatch, cdbs etc ? | 03:44 |
| verwilst | hm, can i reopen a bug? | 03:47 |
| Amaranth | verwilst: what bug? | 03:50 |
| verwilst | 29571 | 03:51 |
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| zakame | Yagisan: duckcorp's? | 03:55 |
| Yagisan | zakame: thank you. That covers cdbs. I'm trying to get a feel for the different patch systems. | 03:58 |
| Yagisan | zakame: any personal favorites ? | 03:58 |
| Mithrandir | Yagisan: they all suck. Use a proper revision control system. IMO. | 03:58 |
| Yagisan | Mithrandir: they goal of my exercise is to become familiar with what is used in packages, so I can be more useful/helpful in fixing bugs etc, on my long road to being a motu. | 04:01 |
| zakame | Yagisan: not much :( dpatch is also quite straightforward... | 04:08 |
| seaLne | pretty please could people comment/advocate if nothing is wrong http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2160 so the bug in dapper can be closed? | 04:10 |
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| ILIJA | hi tehere | 06:21 |
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| twinoatl | hi all | 07:53 |
| twinoatl | it seems dapper need tests for Squeak | 07:53 |
| twinoatl | there was a call for testers | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | Dapper always needs testers ;-) | 07:54 |
| twinoatl | how can I help testing Squeak ? | 07:55 |
| twinoatl | Do you know Bryce Kampjes | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm not familiar with the name. Probably would be more familiar with an irc nick | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | but in general I'd say use it and check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs | 07:57 |
| twinoatl | I just have the name | 07:57 |
| twinoatl | I can't find any packages of squeak-vm for dapper | 07:57 |
| Erlang | isn't Squeak supposed to be non-redistributable? | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | twinoatl: it is in multiverse | 07:58 |
| twinoatl | for amd64 | 07:58 |
| Erlang | oh multiverse then... | 07:58 |
| twinoatl | I can't find anything when apt-cache search | 08:00 |
| twinoatl | I configured multiverse and universe | 08:01 |
| twinoatl | deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse | 08:01 |
| twinoatl | deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse | 08:01 |
| twinoatl | a search on squeak only returns squeak-sources and not squeak-vm | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | hmm, could be it isn't building, let me check | 08:02 |
| twinoatl | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/squeak-vm | 08:02 |
| twinoatl | https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/166765 | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | twinoatl: looks like it only built on i386 | 08:03 |
| twinoatl | it seams | 08:03 |
| twinoatl | But squeak-vm should work on amd64 | 08:03 |
| twinoatl | I need to verify | 08:04 |
| twinoatl | I'm trying to build the .orig | 08:05 |
| twinoatl | I would like to switch to ubuntu amd64 when dapper will be released. Are there still problems with codecs or things like this ? | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | twinoatl: I'm really not sure. I know that quite a few people do use Dapper on amd64, but I don't know specifically if codecs are a problem still. | 08:07 |
| twinoatl | LaserJock, thanks | 08:08 |
| Erlang | I don't have any problems personally. | 08:08 |
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| LaserJock | hi minghua | 08:10 |
| minghua | hello all | 08:10 |
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| twinoatl | Erlang, do you read dvds ? do you play flash ? do you watch wmv movies ? | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | hi G0SUB | 08:10 |
| G0SUB | minghua: hello! | 08:10 |
| twinoatl | minghua, hi | 08:10 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock | 08:10 |
| G0SUB | minghua: we need to talk | 08:11 |
| minghua | G0SUB: yes? | 08:11 |
| Erlang | twinoatl: no no and yes sometimes ;D | 08:11 |
| Erlang | twinoatl:the official Flash plugin isn't available on AMD64 and that isn't Ubuntu's fault. | 08:12 |
| G0SUB | minghua: it's about that bug I filed regarding assigning U+09CE a separate key in scim-tables-additional | 08:12 |
| Erlang | twinoatl: and WMV9 still don't play, but that must be the case on i386 too. | 08:12 |
| Erlang | twinoatl: for DVD, I can't say. I don't own one. | 08:12 |
| twinoatl | Erlang, I know this is not an ubuntu problem | 08:12 |
| twinoatl | Erlang, thanks | 08:12 |
| Erlang | I can play flash things with a 32 bit Dapper chroot. | 08:13 |
| G0SUB | minghua: bug 35093 | 08:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35093 in scim-tables scim-tables-additional "SCIM should have a separate key for Bengali khanda-ta (U+09CE)" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35093 | 08:13 |
| twinoatl | Erlang, it's a bit tricky | 08:16 |
| twinoatl | :-) | 08:16 |
| minghua | G0SUB: yes I remember that bug, what do you want to talk about? | 08:16 |
| Erlang | twinoatl: slightly | 08:16 |
| Erlang | twinoatl: but once it is done, it'll work. | 08:17 |
| G0SUB | minghua: we have decided on the key to be assigned | 08:17 |
| twinoatl | Erlang, ok, thanks | 08:17 |
| twinoatl | I must leave you know | 08:17 |
| twinoatl | bye | 08:17 |
| twinoatl | s/know/now :-) | 08:17 |
| G0SUB | minghua: now can you make the changes yourself or do you require a patch? | 08:17 |
| minghua | G0SUB: I can make changes myself (a patch won't hurt for sure), but you need to say which key you've decided to bind that character to | 08:21 |
| G0SUB | minghua: Shift+8 | 08:21 |
| G0SUB | minghua: that's for the Bengali (Probhat) keymap | 08:21 |
| minghua | G0SUB: it's actually easier to just put all the information in the bug report | 08:21 |
| G0SUB | minghua: yes, I will ... I just wanted to hear from you first | 08:21 |
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| minghua | G0SUB: in the Bengali-probhat table all keys are specified by a character, like !@#$, I am not sure how to bind shift-8 | 08:24 |
| G0SUB | minghua: I will tell you ... in a sec | 08:25 |
| G0SUB | minghua: key <AE08> { [ 0x10009EE, 0x10009CE ] }; | 08:26 |
| G0SUB | minghua: that's taken from the xkb keymap | 08:26 |
| minghua | Hmm, I still don't know how to translate that into scim format | 08:26 |
| minghua | G0SUB: please post all these information to the bug report, and I'll ask scim upstream | 08:27 |
| G0SUB | minghua: okay, then I will attach a patch ... :) | 08:27 |
| minghua | G0SUB: yeah, then that will be good, and you don't really need me (as I can't upload to main anyway) | 08:28 |
| G0SUB | minghua: still, thought of talking to you first ... | 08:28 |
| minghua | G0SUB: sure, I appreciate that. I don't have enough knowledge to give any good advice, though. sorry. | 08:30 |
| G0SUB | minghua: haha, don't kid me :) | 08:30 |
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| dolson | arghhh | 08:38 |
| dolson | it happened AGAIN | 08:39 |
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| dolson | this time, in the middle of me using the system | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | ugghh | 08:39 |
| G0SUB | dolson: what happened? | 08:40 |
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| dolson | my system got entirely slow, and unresponsive.. I couldn't do anything. although this time, since I was using it, I guess I caught it early enough because I could switch to a virtual terminal and get ps aux output to a file.. but after that, I couldn't do anything. I tried the magic SysRq key, and it seemed to be working for K, S, and U, but when I did the B, it didn't reboot. I had to power off | 08:41 |
| G0SUB | dolson: Beagle? | 08:42 |
| dolson | I uninstalled it | 08:42 |
| dolson | I'm thinking it's a cron job.. | 08:42 |
| G0SUB | dolson: cron job to do what? | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | dolson: how is your RAM? | 08:43 |
| G0SUB | dolson: if it's the old beagle 0.2.1 in dapper, then that's it | 08:43 |
| dolson | dpkg-scanpackages | 08:43 |
| dolson | LaserJock: 1GB | 08:43 |
| dolson | what is the "wa" in this line from top? Cpu(s): 4.0% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 94.7% id, 0.3% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.3% si | 08:43 |
| G0SUB | dolson: I am almost sure it's the old beagle if you have it | 08:43 |
| dolson | G0SUB: I uninstalled it | 08:43 |
| dolson | yesterday | 08:43 |
| G0SUB | dolson: oh, good | 08:43 |
| Seveas | G0SUB, would you mind a private message? | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | dolson: I mean how much RAM are you using? I had a mem leak not long ago that would cripple the system after a few days | 08:44 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock: the beagle leak can eat up 1 Gig in less than 1 minute | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | G0SUB: right, but he doesn't have beagle so... | 08:45 |
| dolson | LaserJock: I don't know how to check that now... I didn't think. at this time, I've got 635M free though. but I didn't think to check before I rebooted it | 08:45 |
| Erlang | I've had a similar problem but I don't use Beagle. | 08:45 |
| dolson | well, I tried stuff, but it wasn't responding | 08:45 |
| dolson | LaserJock: do you know what "wa" means in the top CPU line? | 08:45 |
| dolson | because it was at like 88-92% | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | my problem was that my memory would get all used up and then I'd do something in Firefox (usually try to add a bookmark) and everything would come to a screeching halt | 08:46 |
| dolson | here's the output from ps aux: http://aslan.homelinux.com/dana/tmp/processlist | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | I mad a cron job to check the memory every 30 min. | 08:46 |
| dholbach | wa = waiting | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | and it looked like some cron.daily thing was bumping my memory usage every morning | 08:47 |
| dholbach | that's usually IO | 08:47 |
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| dolson | thanks dholbach.. I think it was my cron job for sure then.. looking at the processlist, I see a md5sum and such from the dpkgs-scanpackages job | 08:48 |
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| dholbach | is that some debsums stuff? | 08:48 |
| dolson | I think so.. I was using it for having a local repo (/var/cache/pbuildier/result) | 08:49 |
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| dolson | I think I'm going to learn Perl. | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | I'm avoiding it | 09:23 |
| dolson | heh, why's that? | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | morning | 09:23 |
| dolson | morning ajmitch | 09:24 |
| Erlang | dolson: Perl => Crazy | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | because perl is evil & wrong | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | dolson: because it seems a bit difficult to learn. I'm not a CS guy so I need something easy ;-) | 09:24 |
| dolson | well I applied for a job here that is for a perl developer... and had the interview, and it seemed to go alright. they asked for samples of my code in C/C++ and PHP and they asked for my references. I may as well get a head start, in case they choose me. | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | I know a little Fortran and Python and that is about it | 09:25 |
| Amaranth | fortran? | 09:26 |
| Amaranth | you like abuse, then? | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | no, it is pretty easy for most of the stuff I do | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | but I'm trying to get my lab moved over the Python :-) | 09:27 |
| minghua | fortran is good for what it's designed for. number crunching, that is. | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yeah, that is what I use it for. We have one data acquisition program that is written in C that I'd love to move to Python | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do it. | 09:28 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I think that's a good idea | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | the problem is that my advisor is the only one that knows C so I have to try to hack his stuff to adjust anything | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | and none of our grad students have any programming experience | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | so I think Python would be easier to do than C | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | but that means I've got to convince my advisor that Python is OK :( | 09:30 |
| dolson | I wanna learn Python too | 09:32 |
| dolson | for some reason, I think it's likely the easiest to do GTK stuff in.. would that be a reasonable belief? | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | I find Python to be quite cool from a scientists perspective | 09:34 |
| dolson | I mean, I prefer Delphi in the Windows world, but Lazarus just doesn't work well for me in Linux | 09:34 |
| crimsun | fortran is completely ugly from a programmer's perspective but brilliant from a mathematician's | 09:35 |
| crimsun | hmm, perhaps s/mathematician/engineer/ | 09:36 |
| bddebian | dolson: Have you tried Kylix? :) | 09:36 |
| dolson | a long time ago | 09:36 |
| crimsun | dolson: easy is only relevant for your current mindset | 09:37 |
| dolson | I couldn't redistribute my apps with it, when I tried it... at least I couldn't find out how to make it work | 09:37 |
| crimsun | some people will find gtkmm or gtk# easier | 09:37 |
| bddebian | Nothing is "easy" for me :-( | 09:37 |
| hub | bddebian: isn't kylix a dead produc? | 09:37 |
| bddebian | Any of you screwed around with libgc at all? | 09:37 |
| bddebian | hub: Might be, dunno | 09:37 |
| dolson | lazarus is open source at least | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: noone has any reason to touch libgc | 09:37 |
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| dolson | crimsun: well, I'm thinking for speedy development purposes. I miss the clicky clicky app creation for my own purposes that I was able to do in Windows. but the good thing is that chances are there is a util out there in Linux already that does what I need. so it isn't that relevant,really | 09:38 |
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| jtshaw | you tried qt Dolson? | 09:41 |
| jtshaw | it has tools for "clicky clicky" app creation | 09:41 |
| hub | jtshaw: yes and no | 09:42 |
| Amaranth | jtshaw: for making the UI, sure | 09:42 |
| Amaranth | jtshaw: it doesn't write code for you | 09:42 |
| jtshaw | true... | 09:43 |
| jtshaw | I guess I was unaware you could create an entire app in any of the Visual Studio tools without writing a line of code | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | what would a good entry point for creating a GUI for a python program (pretty simple)? I've seen wxpython and pygtk. | 09:44 |
| crimsun | pyglade? | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | there is a pyglade? | 09:44 |
| crimsun | there's even python-wxglade if you're really masochistic | 09:45 |
| crimsun | yeah, python2.4-glade2 is installed | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: cool, thanks | 09:46 |
| crimsun | np | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | now I just need to get an Ubuntu box to do it on :/ | 09:46 |
| crimsun | Kyral: btw, your mkv issues are known; I've adjust the report to track bts, too | 09:46 |
| Kyral | crimsun: ty | 09:47 |
| crimsun | adjusted^ | 09:47 |
| dolson | jtshaw: I try to avoid Qt as much as possible | 09:47 |
| dolson | hmm, Perl, or Soul Calibur II? ... tough decision. | 09:48 |
| jtshaw | dolson: I can understand that.. I think some of there ideas are great (Signals and Slots) for example... but it certainly has it's negatives too | 09:48 |
| dolson | jtshaw: I don't know any of the underlying structure of GTK or Qt yet, I just do not like the look and feel of Qt. it's just a preference | 09:49 |
| TheMuso | dolson: I'd say that if you would want to start building an app that also had some accessibility by default, you would use GTK. :) | 09:52 |
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| minghua | LaserJock: maybe you can try GTK+/Mac on your iMac ;-) | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | minghua: I'm trying to install glade2 through fink at the moment | 10:05 |
| minghua | LaserJock: let me check which version of gtk is ported to Mac... | 10:07 |
| minghua | Hmm, it seems that the OS X port is still CVS only | 10:08 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I am pretty sure the GTK+ in fink would be X11 only, then | 10:08 |
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| minghua | LaserJock: http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Gtk_Mac_OS_X # (if you don't know which OS X port I am talking about) | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yeah, I'd like to be able to code on the iMac but "deploy" on an Debian/Ubuntu data acquisition box | 10:09 |
| minghua | LaserJock: in that case the X11 version of GTK+ should suffice, I suppose | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | I think so, I'll have to see. | 10:10 |
| minghua | I doubt all those bindings work okay in fink, though. I've had serious problems with perl-gtk in fink. | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | right now I'm just trying to see what I can get with fink. the whole Intel thing is really messing with gcc and python in OSX | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | if mjg59 gets done soon with the EFI work I think Ubuntu has a pretty good chance of working better than OSX for a lot of things | 10:14 |
| minghua | I hate to suggest this, but Qt 4 works much better on OS X than GTK+ | 10:15 |
| minghua | Qt doesn't seem to have a (stable) python binding though | 10:16 |
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| LaserJock | well, I'll see what I can do. If I can rewrite this data acquisition program before I graduate I'll be happy | 10:18 |
| LaserJock | right now it is curses+pgplot | 10:18 |
| Amaranth | minghua: qt4's python binding is currently a joke | 10:18 |
| Amaranth | minghua: i spent a week teaching it about OS X (in a hackish way) | 10:18 |
| minghua | Amaranth: good to know. I only heard about such a binding, never tried myself | 10:20 |
| Amaranth | sip and pyqt4 need much love to be usable | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | can you do ncurses with python ? | 10:21 |
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| dholbach | night guys | 10:28 |
| dolson | cya dholbach | 10:31 |
| dholbach | bonne nuit, dolson | 10:31 |
| dolson | what is that | 10:32 |
| dolson | is that a band? | 10:32 |
| dolson | I like Pat Benatar! | 10:32 |
| dolson | not really | 10:32 |
| dholbach | good night in french :) | 10:32 |
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| minghua | fedora core 5 ships libstdc++.so.7 now? interesting. | 10:55 |
| hub | gcc 4.1 | 11:00 |
| siretart | oh no. another c++ transition?! | 11:01 |
| jtshaw | hopefully this one will have a little better backwards compatibility... but somehow I doubt it | 11:02 |
| hub | siretart: not sure | 11:02 |
| hub | siretart: that does not mean ABI breakage | 11:02 |
| hub | siretart: as libstdc++6 could still be used :-) | 11:03 |
| siretart | hub: the gcc-snapshot in dapper, which is in effect a gcc-4.1 ships with soname libstdc++.so.6 | 11:03 |
| hub | siretart: mmm | 11:03 |
| minghua | I _think_ gcc4.1 still have libstdc++.so.6 | 11:05 |
| minghua | at least that's the default | 11:05 |
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| minghua | I heard the libstdc++7 story here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=166041 | 11:08 |
| minghua | as it talks about "export CXX=libstdc++so7-g++ before configure and make", I assume that means libstdc++6 is still default | 11:08 |
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| minghua | okay, libstdc++7 is indeed not default, but just "preview": http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/#id3131599 | 11:17 |
| minghua | so don't worry about transition (yet) :-) | 11:17 |
| siretart | minghua: this isn't a thing for gcc-4.1. the bugreport says that libstdc++_7 C++ ABI is highly experimental as it adds a new feature: weak symbol versioning | 11:17 |
| minghua | siretart: it's not me that said it's for gcc-4.1 ;-) | 11:18 |
| siretart | a very specific corner case which could be usful for scim. nothing we need to worry about. at least not now | 11:18 |
| siretart | 22:55:52 < minghua> fedora core 5 ships libstdc++.so.7 now? interesting. | 11:18 |
| siretart | this would need another transition of ALL c++ apps | 11:18 |
| minghua | that's a fact | 11:18 |
| siretart | you scared me :) | 11:19 |
| minghua | fc5 ships both libstdc++6 and libstdc++7 | 11:19 |
| siretart | never mind. gn8 folks! | 11:19 |
| siretart | :) | 11:19 |
| minghua | siretart: good night :-) and sorry for scaring you :-P | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | morning | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 11:25 |
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