=== kmon goes to bed [12:35] good night! === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === toma is now known as toma_ === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] mornfall: ping? === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] is it possible to use rsync with the Kubuntu daily ISOs? [03:05] instead of having to download an entire ISO each day === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fabo_ [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] hendry: supposedly but it always timed out on me === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:52] well knetworkmanager still doesnt like my uni connection, but it works from the command line... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@wireless.ics.mq.edu.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:26] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1868 [08:31] ugh === Tm_T will try do Kopete beta2 packages today [08:32] Tm_T: yay! [08:35] beta packages? is that wise? [08:35] when's the next kubuntu meeting? [08:35] Mez: it wasnt decided. [08:36] Hmm :'( [08:36] because I have an idea [08:36] and for a separate repo, probably [08:36] what's your idea? === Hobbsee suspects that we can call a meeting for next thurs night, or the thurs after [08:36] well we have all these things that we make for ubuntu - upgraded versions of apps and stuff - and they all just go into the respective people's personal repositorys etc etc (like knm and stuff) [08:37] Hobbsee: hope can be held at 12:00 UTC [08:37] I'd love to see one central "Kubuntu Developers" Repository [08:37] so that all this stuff we do is available in one place [08:37] Mez: nice [08:37] Mez: that'd be useful. i think that that's more or less being done with tonio_'s repo [08:37] rather than having to go and add uber amounts of repositories# [08:37] as in, knm and kpowersave are both there [08:37] yeah but Tonio's the only one who has access to that [08:37] true [08:37] hmm [08:38] ok, it may not be possible now [08:38] but [08:38] i guess the powers that be might be able to create such a thing [08:38] I think I may be able to sort something out [08:38] Hobbsee, I was thinking about PPA's actually [08:38] and wondering whether we'd be able to have a Shared PPA# [08:38] PPA? [08:38] or similar [08:38] Personal Package Archives [08:38] (planned feature of LP + hct) [08:39] (was something we discussed at UBZ - and I talked to Daniel Quite a bit about) [08:39] do you know the concept behind it and hct etc? [08:40] ah right [08:40] oh...i tihnk i'd heard slightly about it - but not really [08:41] well - whenever we develop something - we push it out and it goes to our PPA ... then when say, we want to put something into main - we say "publish this from my PPA into ubuntu main" [08:41] pretty simple concecpt really [08:41] probably not simple to implement tho [08:41] sounds interesting [08:41] yep [08:42] especially if it was integrated with buildd [08:43] seaLne, that's the plan for PPA [08:45] cool [08:45] i tried playing about with setting up a buildd but strugled to find enough info === _freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:02] hmm hmm hmm === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=admin@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:32] hi Lure. i've concluded that my laptop plain doesnt like the uni network [09:40] Hobbsee: what kind of security they have... === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@wireless.ics.mq.edu.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@wireless.ics.mq.edu.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:27] anyone know what he means by enabling the highpass filetr? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdemultimedia/+bug/36045 [10:27] Malone bug 36045 in kdemultimedia kdemultimedia-kio-plugins "Creating MP3 with IOslave using highpass filter fails" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:27] i presume this is about if you have an audio cd and look at it in konq? === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-242.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:07] hoary -> dapper fails on kaffeine-xine === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa [n=anders@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:37] seaLne: what's the error? [11:38] updates through multiple releases aren't really supported, but if it's easily enough to solve it we should === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:52] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/36124 [11:52] Malone bug 36124 in kaffeine kaffeine-xine "hoary -> dapper dist-upgrade fails" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [11:52] kdevelop3 happens hoary -> dapper aswell as to breezy [11:52] Riddell: w00t [11:53] Riddell, the longest standing fixable bug for katapult is now closeable [11:53] (from sources anyways) [11:53] appart from those hoary -> dapper is fine :) [11:54] WOAH [11:54] my karma is insane [11:55] hmm actually after dist-upgrade i have no X [11:56] and /etc/issue wasn't updated [12:20] Riddell: interestingly my KURLRequestor ruby bug is fine in dapper 3.5.2, i wonder what it was about dapper 3.5.1 and no other 3.5.1 that caused the crash [12:27] phew :) === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] not as strange as my pc using my pci card as primary graphics until i kick the machine and it uses the agp card (agp isn't even detected without a good kick) :-) === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat laughs === mvo [n=egon@p54A65CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] Riddell: I may have found the problem with the missing kde icons, I'll upload a new app-install-data package later today [01:09] mvo: what was the problem? [01:10] Riddell: a bug in the handling of packages with epoch seems to have caused it [01:10] do new stuff wasn't properly updated === _mvo_ [n=egon@p54A65CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] hi [02:34] danimo! [02:34] does anyone else expirience problems with alsa since the latest kernel update on dapper (-19)? [02:34] heya Riddell [02:35] the changelog says it should improve things, but now I have no sound output at all [02:35] (Intel HDA sound device) [02:36] I'm still on linux -18 [02:36] Riddell: hmm, where to file this bug best? [02:37] Riddell: I gotta talk to the guy in charge anyway. HDA support is less than satisfying (in that e.g. skype doesn't work at all, neither does jack autosensing, although latest vanilla should have it) === hunger [n=tobias@p54A63E0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] danimo: launchpad.net [02:46] for bug reporting [02:46] Riddell: ok === faked [n=faked@83-65-239-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] Is audiocd:/ broken in dapper? [04:01] Riddell: ping [04:01] Riddell: is cmake ok now ? [04:02] freeflying: sorry, never had time, will look at it today. or maybe raphink can do it sooner [04:03] what has to be done? [04:03] Riddell: ok [04:03] raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2171 [04:03] ah [04:03] reviewing ;) [04:03] what is it? [04:03] a bug fix? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:04] raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2129 [04:04] well this one is a NEW package no? [04:04] raphink: new upstream release , Riddell need it :) [04:04] ah [04:04] for both packages? [04:05] raphink: the later is for bug fix === Lure [n=admin@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:05] ok [04:05] let me see [04:05] Riddell: 3.5.2 looks good for now [04:05] raphink: I don't know who upload the later, not the one ion REVU [04:07] freeflying: was the UVFer approved for quarry? [04:07] Lure: i386 dapper? [04:07] yes [04:07] and if it was, could you put the bug number related to it in the changelog ? [04:07] like : New upstream release (Closes: Malone ... blah) [04:08] raphink: it's very strange , this one has been uploaded to REVU about 2 weeks , but I found the old release was upload to universe about 3 days ago [04:08] ... [04:09] raphink: any chance of looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2160 if you get a chance, its a bug fix [04:09] raphink: also this package may not in universe ,maybe in restricted , due to some license issue [04:09] seaLne: will do [04:09] it's in universe freeflying [04:09] now there's a weird thing freeflying [04:10] here is what I'd like [04:10] 1) base your new packgae on the current one [04:10] 2) if you got an OK for UVFe, put the bug number inthe changelog [04:10] please === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:11] raphink: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/quarry/+bug/35772 [04:11] Malone bug 35772 in quarry "installs to /usr/games/bin/" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [04:11] seaLne: could you please quote the patch name in the changelog ? [04:12] sure [04:12] raphink: also needd UVFe for cmake ? [04:12] this is a new upstream version so yes [04:14] I don't get the quarry one though [04:14] it's a new upstream based on 0.16-1 [04:14] or so it says in the changelog [04:14] the current version in Ubuntu is 0.16-0ubuntu3 though [04:14] it seems we didn't use the Debian version so far [04:14] so why would a new version be based on the Debian package? [04:14] raphink: anything else for autopsy? [04:14] seaLne: let me see [04:15] malone #35188 [04:15] Malone bug 35188 in autopsy "DATA_DIR is incorrectly used instead of DATADIR" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35188 === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:16] did you test the fix seaLne? [04:16] yep [04:16] been using it all week [04:17] ok good [04:17] * Added 03.caseman_datadir.dpatch to fix DATA_DIR incorrectly used instead of DATADIR in caseman.pm (closes malone #35188) ? [04:17] Malone bug 35188 in autopsy "DATA_DIR is incorrectly used instead of DATADIR" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35188 [04:18] that better changelog? [04:18] taht's better [04:19] also instead of "udpated standards" you could say "bumped debhelper compat to 5" since this is what you did ;) [04:19] it's clearer [04:19] was it worth mentioning? [04:20] I think so :) [04:20] "Updated debhelper compat to 5" [04:20] mhm [04:21] Riddell: seems no good reson fot cmake UVFe [04:21] s/fot/for [04:22] reason is that it's needed by KDE 4 [04:22] does anything else use cmake [04:22] ah KDE4 needs a new version of cmake? [04:22] but then we're not to put KDE4 in Dapper right? [04:22] Riddell: seems only kde4 need cmake now [04:23] so if we package KDE4 separately, we can put a new version of cmake together [04:23] freeflying: in that case we do needs an UVF exception since KDE 4 needs that new version o [04:23] of cmake [04:24] Riddell: when we package kde4, cmake2.4 may be out [04:24] amu: ping, do you want CDs for linuxtag or shall I sent them to tackat? [04:24] freeflying: but in the mean time people will be wanting to compile kde 4 themselves and will expect kubuntu to have a suitable version of cmake for it [04:25] Riddell: ok === faked [n=faked@85-124-44-146.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] actually I didn't realise cmake was already in the archive [04:28] to tackat is fine :) [04:28] raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2173 [04:28] Riddell: raphink done UVFe for cmake and quarry [04:28] approved? [04:28] raphink: just sent them :) [04:29] now you have to wait then [04:29] when/if they are approved, please put the bug number in your changelog === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:30] seaLne: let me test build [04:30] raphink: I'd file bug to motu-uvf [04:30] thanks [04:30] yes freeflying, assign it to motu-uvf [04:32] ok seems good to me seaLne [04:32] I'll upload [04:33] ta [04:38] seaLne: uploaded [04:38] great [04:39] raphink: shall ping dholbach for UVFe [04:39] can you close the bug please? [04:39] freeflying: no you don't need to [04:40] just assign your bug to motu-uvf [04:40] and wait [04:40] hmh jut wait === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === buga [n=burjang@csomalin.csoma.elte.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D4210.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === buga is now known as buga-away === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034229076.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] Riddell: btw, there is one huge thing with kde on laptops [06:35] Riddell: after mounting .kde/share/config, .kde/share/konqueror and /var/tmp/kdecache-mornfall my drive actually spins down and stays that way [06:36] Riddell: by default, typing in url in konqueror causes spurious spinup [06:36] Riddell: (mounting the abovementioned directories as tmpfs) [06:36] Riddell: a good hour of difference on batteries, i'd say === toma_ is now known as toma [06:38] mornfall: /var/tmp/kdecache-* tends to get *very* big here... I would not want that on a tmpfs. [06:39] hunger: 14M [06:39] mornfall: very big as in bigger than RAM+swap. [06:39] hunger: probably depends on konqueror cache settings :) [06:40] mornfall: I ran out of space in /var once... [06:40] but /var/tmp/kdecache-* would probably not cause much problems [06:40] even if on drive [06:40] mornfall: I link /var/tmp to /tmp now:-) [06:40] config and konqueror cause the problem [06:40] hunger: i have /tmp on tmpfs :)) [06:40] mornfall: Outch.... /tmp is about 10G here:-) [06:41] hunger: /tmp is volatile by FHS [06:41] mornfall: /var has oven 2G free now... and those were taken by kdecache. [06:41] hunger: some distros even rm -rf /tmp/* on boot IIRC [06:41] mornfall: It is... /tmp gets formated on each reboot! [06:41] hunger: *blink* [06:41] hunger: what you do with /tmp pretty please? [06:42] mornfall: I encrypt it with a random key, so I have to format it. [06:42] you run squid for 1000 users? :) [06:42] oh my [06:42] anyhow [06:42] gotta run -- theatre [06:42] laters [06:42] mornfall: Nope... just store DVD images there till I get round to burn them, that kind of stuff. [06:42] Riddell: i'll talk to you about the laptop thing later :) [06:43] Is audiocd:/ broken in dapper? [06:43] I have to use that crappy kaudiocreator:-( [06:45] mornfall: ok === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:12] hi all [07:13] hello Tonio_ === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === buga-away is now known as buga === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [07:28] quite channel, everyone must be either asleep or eating :) [07:29] hm [07:29] eating is a good idea [07:29] AFK === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-243-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] Tonio_: ping [07:47] Lure: around? [07:48] Pygi: pong ? [07:49] Tonio_: I hope you haven't listened to Luka, and remove L-R-M from our repo? [07:49] didn't yet ;) [07:49] why ? [07:49] read the mail... [07:50] I have 200 mails to read [07:50] can you resume quicly plz ? [07:51] hm, ok ^_^ [07:51] L-R-M patched ones in official repo DON'T WORK [07:54] oki ;) [08:02] Tonio_: and joy...200 mails :-P === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:08] Lure: read mail... [08:08] Pygi: does it fail in general or just madwifi? [08:09] well, the patch is for madwifi [08:10] so madwifi fails ^_^ [08:11] Tonio_: We have patch that should make n-m behave properly about the scanning bug [08:13] hum sounds good ;) [08:13] is _ion working on it ? === Pygi revokes statement [08:13] he has ftp access to the repo now [08:14] ah, ok ^_^ [08:14] we don't have the patch :-S I was wrong ;) [08:14] Lure: just read allee's mail [08:14] he wonders why we removed vpn from knetworkmanager [08:14] huh, I answered then for 10 times [08:14] why has it been removed from networkmanager first ? [08:14] because there is no VPN in nm [08:15] it is a special feature in nm-applet and knetworkmanager then ? [08:15] because core developers said that we should not add features beside wpa [08:15] is it calling yast in the first place ? or does it work directly with openvpn/vpnc ? [08:15] no, VPN is part of n-m, GNOME/KDE front-end just provide configuration interface [08:15] Lure: okay ;) [08:16] we should explain that to allee then [08:16] Tonio_: gimme his mail, I'll talk to him [08:16] it is hard to explain - we are in FF and adding VPN would just reduce possibility to get n-m in [08:16] Lure: just gimme his mail [08:16] lure do you have the mail ? [08:17] still 140 mails..... [08:18] Tonio_: I have replied to that e-mail already and have provided new patches for latest kNM [08:18] I will explain him when/if he gets online [08:19] Lure: did you send me the patches ? [08:19] I will repackage then [08:19] Yes (around 13:00 CET today) [08:19] I am already using it, and got one crash on connect which I would like to reproduce now with debugs [08:20] I'll try to contact Robert about the scanning [08:20] Just to be sure that I did not break something with my patches (which I doubt since I do not change anything on connect code) [08:20] Pygi: what is the fix for scanning? === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:21] allee: hi [08:21] Lure: so many mails to read......... can you provide me the extracted tarball plz ? [08:22] Lure: hi [08:22] Lure: nice, did a reboot just before I wanted to leave and ati driver went cracy :( [08:22] allee: hello ;) just reading your email [08:22] Lure: switching to console back to x fixed it. Puuuhhhh! [08:22] allee: got my e-mail about kNM and VPN - we had to remove it as Ubuntu NM does not have VPN [08:22] Lure: heah, I thought about pkging them (but lack the time currently) [08:22] allee: I get full hang on logout (100% with fglrx, 20% with ati [08:22] Lure: no fix for now...I was overreacting... [08:23] Pygi: I would be very happy - but... :-( [08:23] Lure: heh :-/ [08:23] Pygi: hi. I say l-r-modules has a madwifi patch. It this was you were looking for? [08:23] any url for new knetworkmanager tarball plz ? [08:23] Tonio_: where should I put the tarbal? [08:23] I'm going to package toonight [08:24] Lure: tonio@ubuntu.com :) let's do simple [08:24] allee: L-R-M modules in official repo have madwifi patch, but it doesn't work...we'll look into it later...read the forum === Tonio_ still 120 mails to read........ [08:24] Tonio_: I've none. I stopped last night when the compile failure happened [08:24] Pygi: uhm, forum are too much for me :( [08:25] allee: ah ;-) [08:25] Lure: isn't that better to wait for the suse guy to send us up-to-date tarball as he promissed ? [08:25] Tonio_: on it's way... [08:25] Anyway. The highway is waiting for me. See you later or tomorrow. Bye [08:25] Tonio_: of n-m or knetworkmanager? [08:25] Tonio_: we can - I do not feel much pressure, but they are now dicussing SVN on freedesktop.org a [08:25] I am concerned that this may take some time... [08:26] Pygi: knetworkmanager [08:26] Lure: he talked about this WE no ? [08:26] we should wait and focussed on that version then, lmaybe [08:26] instead of working toonight, and restart everything in three days...... [08:26] that's my opinion [08:27] the most important is n-m [08:27] Tonio_: fine with me - not much new anyway [08:27] if it is approved for main, knetworkmanager will follow easilly [08:27] I will test it on my system and see how it goes... [08:27] Lure: okay ;) [08:28] allee: bye and safe trip [08:29] Lure: thx === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034229076.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:55] kwwii: Are you around? [09:03] I hate when I spend hours trying to figure something out thinking it's just my setup only to find an actual bug has been documented. hehe [09:29] riddell: a "kde 3.5.2 works fine for me" from here ;-) [09:29] There are new kde debs? [09:29] superstoned: version? arch? [09:29] Why are they not in dapper yet? ;-) [09:30] hunger: because 3.5.2 hasn't been released [09:30] riddell: i386, latest from kubuntu.org [09:30] and because I havn't asked or got an upstream version freeze exception [09:30] Riddell: Ah, that explains it;-) [09:30] superstoned: dapper? [09:30] riddell: yes [09:30] superstoned: excellent, thanks === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:31] riddell: if such a thing is usefull (hearing a 'works for me(TM)') i can tell you also latest amarok and koffice from beta on kubuntu.org work great ;-) [09:31] not perfect, sure, had the 'icons disappear' bug a few days ago - once. and kword can crash now and then, but just rarely - its generally very stable. [09:31] superstoned: thanks, test reports are always useful [09:31] Riddell: koffice-beta and amarok installed fine here, too. [09:32] hunger: groovy [09:32] Riddell: both seem to work fine, but I have not tested them too thouroughly. [09:32] i just use them. no probs... [09:32] installing daily CDs and testing daily-live CDs from cdimage.ubuntu.com is also welcome any time [09:32] Riddell: Maybe koffice could depend on kplato as well? [09:33] but i can stand a little instabillity, been using beta's, alpha's and even SVN for most apps i run since i started to use linux... didnt switch for stabillity, but for fun :D [09:33] Riddell: It is part of the suite but not installed by default (and pretty nice, too). [09:35] Tonio_: see that in #ubuntu-meeting? keybuk expects n-m 0.6 in by next monday [09:36] hunger: good point, although kplato is only a "technology preview" I believe [09:36] Riddell: that's not going to be good :-/ [09:38] Pygi: why? [09:38] Riddell: because the greatest problem of all, disconnects due to constant n-m scanning is still present === theball [n=shane@perseus.mpcu.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:41] Riddell: we need to solve that... [09:42] Pygi: does keybuk know about it? [09:42] Riddell: probably not... [09:42] want me to poke him? [09:42] Pygi: it will be no worse than current n-m - why concerned? [09:42] Lure: yes, but we need to get it right... [09:42] Just more testing and effor tin getting it fixed [09:42] because USERS do count [09:43] Lure: no, it has to be fixed [09:43] Riddell: Do I need to poke keybuk for that? [09:43] Pygi: he's the n-m maintainer, so yes :) [09:43] Riddell: kk, will do now ^_^ [09:44] Tonio_: we should probably prepare new kNM package (rename + update), just in case [09:45] Lure: I will ;) [09:46] Riddell: thanks for the info, I'm preparing the new knm package actually [09:46] will be on my repo toonight [09:47] Lure: network-manager-kde should be probably [09:47] yes [09:47] but I would prefer if we could just call it kde-network-manager & gnome-network-manager [09:48] Pygi: I told you - persuade debian maintainer - it is not our call ;-) [09:48] for package names it make sense to have same prefix, for binary names having gnome/kde first makes more sense (IMHO) [09:48] re [09:51] Riddell: the thing is, on my laptop, using konqueror makes drive spinup all the time completely needlessly because of fsyncs of config files [09:51] Riddell: so i guess that's something very well worth considering [09:52] Riddell: for dapper+1 [09:52] _Sime_: ping ? [09:52] mornfall: You could use laptop_mode as a workaround. [09:53] Riddell: something that puts .kde on a ramdisk and backs it up regularly would be almost perfect i think [09:53] sebas: how so? [09:53] sebas: i have laptop-mode-tools [09:53] mornfall: that sounds quite non-trivial to do [09:53] sebas: but whatever you do, hardly anything will save you from fsync() [09:53] /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode [09:54] Riddell: that's why i say dapper+1 [09:54] That keeps dirty data in cache and writes it to disk when reads are done. [09:54] Can save quite some battery power [09:54] sebas: let me repeat once again [09:54] sebas: fsync [09:54] which part you don't understand? :) [09:55] i of course have laptop mode [09:55] I thought the *exact* point of laptop was to queue those. [09:55] but laptop mode is sane enough to not turn fsync into noop [09:55] *sigh* [09:55] see, normal write operations are obviously postponed [09:55] sebas: fsync, fdatasync - synchronize a files complete in-core state with that on disk [09:56] mornfall: I obviously should read my manuals better. :) [09:56] laptop-mode is useless in presence of regular fsyncs [09:56] (like syslogd tends to do :) [09:56] Sorry for the ignorance, though [09:56] but syslogd is easy to resolve [09:57] konqueror less so -- typing in url triggers fsync here :'( [09:57] Hmm [09:57]