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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix for bug #35663: Three columns too narrow for publishing history. (r3317: Christian Reis)12:21
sabdflelmo: very good email faking fu, btw12:47
elmosabdfl: better than the guys on d-devel@ at least12:48
sabdflnot like that debian-devel amateur12:48
sabdfl:-)12:48
elmoyou can still trivially tell it's me, by looking at the headers tho12:48
sabdflif ever there's something you think i'm not saying, i know you'll step up12:48
elmocan I fire some folks then? :-P12:49
sabdflelmo: just don't let me fire myself accidentally, ok?12:51
sabdflotherwise, carry on12:51
elmorock and roll, thanks12:51
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  really ignore sourcecode/twisted (r3318: David Allouche)12:56
sabdflnight all01:01
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  Added a flush_database_updates call after a submission is stored to prevent cached values to cause the removal of the fuzzy flag. Fixes the #1660 (r3319: Carlos Perello Marin)01:22
carlosdilys: thanks01:27
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  Updated the status and dates of an import queue entry that was already imported and got an updated content. Fixes bug #36044 (r3320: Carlos Perello Marin)02:12
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BurgworkI LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!02:36
Burgworkthe new bug editing is EXACTLY what I was looking for02:36
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NeiKeRhallo03:14
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NeiKeRhow are you?03:15
NeiKeRenglish?03:16
NeiKeRespaol?03:16
NeiKeRparlare italiano?03:16
NeiKeR:S03:16
NeiKeRDeusch?03:16
NeiKeRlala03:47
NeiKeRi speak in spanish and in english03:47
NeiKeRalguien habla espaol?'03:47
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Make test_on_merge.py produce incremental output instead of buffering, and refactor karma deletion db patch into a post rollout data migration script (r3321: Stuart Bishop)04:19
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=lifeless]  Soyuz UI fixes and new experimental features like package-queue page (r3322: Celso Providelo)07:06
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lifelessmoing moin09:19
stubyo09:25
lifelessyo yo09:29
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lifelessstub: I'm cherry picking 3316 into production09:52
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lifelessstub ping10:00
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lifelessstub - is https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadRollout current ?10:24
lifelesselmo, znarl FYI upgrading gangotri10:27
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bradbmatsubara: It seems like bug 36084 is happening because Fix Released bugs aren't showing up in +reportbugs. I take it your patch, revno 3312, fixes that?10:35
UbugtuMalone bug 36084 in malone "Reported bug list is incomplete" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3608410:35
lifelesselmo, znarl - now upgrading gandwana10:37
matsubarabradb: exactly. 10:39
bradbcool10:39
lifelessgandwana upgraded10:47
lifelesswe should not see these hangs again.10:47
lifelesselmo: Znarl ^^ please ping me ot stub urgently if you get another hang flagged, as it iwill indicate some other new problem, or new exposure of the same root cause10:47
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stublifeless: pong10:52
stublifeless: Did you cherry pick SteveA's ZODB excision patch?10:53
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fabbionehey guys10:53
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fabbioneassuming i want to do a batch processing like:10:54
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fabbione- select N bugs on pkgs foo10:54
fabbione- switch all of them in NeedsInfo10:54
fabbione- add a comment10:54
fabbionewho should i bug for that?10:54
fabbione(including sending emails out.. it needs to be visible to LP and users)10:54
Znarllifeless : OK, will do.10:55
bradbfabbione: To let Malone developers know about it, filing a Malone bug is best. If you also think it's high priority, you probably want to bug mdz.10:57
fabbionebradb: i need it now..10:57
fabbionebradb: how can be done? or can you do it if i give you the info?10:57
fabbionelike the bugs and the text..10:57
fabbionei don't need to do it personally in the UI10:57
fabbionei need it done somehow..10:57
jameshfabbione: the email interface might be the quickest right now10:58
fabbionejamesh: what's the url of the email interface doc?10:59
fabbionebradb: btw.. mdz did warn you that i was going to do a lot of batch processing for X stuff a while ago...11:00
fabbionebradb: so he knows..11:00
jameshfabbione: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc11:01
jameshit is linked from https://launchpad/malone11:01
fabbioneis it still the same old format that we discussed to death at UBZ?11:01
jameshpretty much11:01
jameshyou don't need the "affects ..." bit for bugs with a single task now11:02
jamesh(I don't know if that change had been made back at UBZ)11:02
fabbionei don't think that helps at all11:02
bradbfabbione: Would you have used an XML-RPC interface, in this case?11:03
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fabbionebradb: with Debian BTS ?11:03
bradbfabbione: I mean for doing these mass updates, are these things you are expecting to do via the web UI, via XML-RPC, or via some other method?11:04
fabbioneweb ui11:04
fabbionein bugzilla i would have done a specific search11:04
fabbioneselected the bugs11:04
jamesh"change multiple bugs"11:04
fabbioneand done all in once change11:04
fabbioneexactly11:04
fabbionei can't use this email interface with blanks and stuff11:05
fabbioneif i mistype one thing.. go figure the error with a 100 bugs..11:05
fabbioneneither i plan to type my passphrase a 100 times for each email..11:06
fabbionecan i get the result of a query out of an email?11:07
bradbnot atm, unfortunately11:07
fabbionelike: search source: foo with all status != Fixed* || NeedInfo11:07
fabbioneok11:07
fabbionei will need to ask mdz to get this fixed now..11:07
fabbionebecause it is blocking me11:08
sladenis there a way to setup relationships between bugs.  eg. NNNN depends on NNNN+1 in mesa and NNNN+2 in kernel11:08
kikosladen, no, there are no dependency links between bugs.11:08
sladenkiko: what's the best kludge show that something is blocked by something else?11:08
bradbfabbione: Sorry for this inconvenience. Talking to mdz may hopefully help get this prioritized.11:08
kikommmmmm. mmmmmmmmmm.11:09
jameshsladen: some cases where people use dependencies in bugzilla are represented better in Malone as a single bug targetted at multiple packages/products11:09
fabbionebradb: it's not an incovinience.. this is blocking X and release.. 11:09
fabbionekiko: what is your email? kiko@ ?11:09
SteveAstub: lifeless did so11:09
SteveAthe zodb has been exorcised11:09
kikofabbione, yes11:09
fabbionekiko: ok thanks11:09
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  add bug branch sample data (r3324: Brad Bollenbach)11:11
mptsladen, the best kludge is probably to write "Fixing this is blocked by bug XYZ" at the end of the bug description11:12
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kikothere is no dependency tree aar11:13
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ploumHello11:24
ploumWho must I ask to create an Ubuntu-be launchpad group ?11:24
carlosploum: you can create it yourself11:25
ploumcarlos: oh yes11:26
ploumindeed11:26
ploumjust found it :-)11:26
ploumthanks11:26
carlosploum: you are welcome ;-)11:29
sabdfla little disturbing the way the airplane shadows flicker over the window here every three minutes as they are coming in to land11:30
dilysMerge to test/launchpad/sourcecode/sqlobject/: r=spiv Fix for bug #35952: SQLObject does not cope with single column tables. Make it cope! Includes patch and test. Super crisp and clean. (r55: Christian Reis)11:35
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jordihow's that sprint going?11:48
kikoit's axing through east london11:49
jordikiko: don't run, don't do it11:49
jordiI still have not gone out running since I came back11:49
jordiI've been ill11:49
kikoI have run every day11:49
jordiand had to attend a funeral, and other annoying stuff11:50
jordikiko: go swimming. That would make you a real man.11:50
kikoI am swimming 4x a week in so carlos11:50
jordinot in the thames!11:51
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Mezo_O11:55
MezI really didnt know I did that much bugstuff11:55
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carloswow, I'm on the top list of contributors ...12:07
ploumcarlos: wich list ?12:08
carlosploum: launchpad's one12:08
carloshttps://launchpad.net12:08
carloslook at the portlet on the left12:08
ploumwow :-) Flicitations ! (as we say in french)12:09
ploumis it the karma top 5 ?12:09
carlosjordi: I think the new karma rebalancing thing remove you some points...12:10
carlosploum: yes12:10
ploumawesome ..12:11
ploum(as someone esle would say)12:12
ploumI'm glad that the karma is no more decreasing with time12:12
carlosWe need to remove Rosetta Admins team from there.... it imports all Ubuntu's .po and .pot files so the amount of karma it gets is so high... 12:12
SteveAthe karma will decrease with time12:12
ploumIt seems that adding an attachment to a bug is 0 karma point, unlike adding a simple comment12:12
SteveAwe're just trying out some different algorithms for karma12:12
ploumThe decreasing Karma is not really fun..12:12
carlosploum: well it helps to track your current work on launchpad12:13
SteveAwhy do you say that ploum ?12:13
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SteveAi think it is reasonable that if i did lots of work on launchpad one year, and none the next year, then that counts for less than someone who did lots of work this year12:14
ploumIMHO12:14
ploumSteveA: if you work really hard in a burst, this big burst will not be reflected on your karma after one or two months..12:14
SteveAthis is true12:14
SteveAwe also need to consider new contributors12:15
SteveAin a year's time, if karma is not decreased over time, then new contributors will never be able to catch up12:15
SteveAi think your point about people working in a burst of activity is a valid point12:15
SteveAand we should take this into account when looking at karma12:15
SteveAstub: what do you think about the "burst of activity" issue?12:16
KinnisonDo we apply an exponential decay, linear decay or what?12:16
kikoit is poliphasic amorphous denormalizing decay12:17
stubLinear12:17
SteveAan amorous demoralizing decay, kiko?12:17
Kinnisonstub: from date of acquisition or from some date afterwards?12:17
kikothat was last week12:17
irvinkiko, is that a new mathematical formula?12:17
ploumAlso, I believe that people working with Launchpad for 3 years (it's an example) must have more Karma that someone who is new... It's just experience..  But it's only my opinion. I also understand your point12:17
kikoirvin, it's just a synonym12:18
stubI don't see any way to handle 'burst of activity'. I can't conceive what is wanted - either karma sticks, or it decays.12:18
ploum"demoralizing decay" :-D12:18
stubKinnison: From date of acquisition. Each action degrades to zero over 1 year.12:18
stubSo the work you did yesterday is worth 1/365th less the next day.12:19
salgadoto zero, really?12:19
stubYes12:19
stubWe can tune this of course. We don't lose information when we tweak the calculations.12:19
Kinnisonstub: Right. I'll have a ponder12:19
salgadoright12:19
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ploumwow...12:20
ploumSo after one year, all your karma is lost !12:20
stubploum: Unless someone comes up with a better idea.12:20
kikoafter one year without doing anything I think your karma is pretty much forfeit anyway, isn't it?12:20
SteveAploum: you can start a discussion of this on launchpad-users if you wish12:20
bradbIf it decays over time, it seems like something more to do with "activity" than just karma.12:20
SteveAploum: as stuart hints at, if someone or some people come up with a better idea, we can consider that instead12:21
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ploumOf course, I will think about it12:22
ploumif I have an idea, I will suggest it here12:22
SteveAwell12:22
SteveAsuggest it on launchpad-users12:22
ploumoh sorry12:22
SteveAthe mailing list is a better place for discussion12:22
ploumthanks12:22
SteveAit allows people who don't use irc so much to still contribute12:22
SteveAand keeps the discussion archived in a better way than irc logs12:23
SteveAsee the MailingLists page on the launchpad wiki site.12:23
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ploumThanks, I will do that !12:23
ploumHave a nice day12:23
SteveAyeah, you too.  take it easy.12:23
Kinnisonstub: http://users.pepperfish.net/dsilvers/karmagraph.png is what I was imagining. Not sure how to implement it efficiently though12:28
stubKinnison: It is efficient if you can define a formula f(karma_points, time_since_earned)12:29
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KinnisonI may grab my TI-92 later and play with some formulae12:30
stubThe relevant code is in foaf-update-karma.py.12:32
bradbsabdfl: Do you want to do that roundtable discussion during the Q & A today?12:43
sabdflbradb: that was on...?12:43
bradbsabdfl: the issues we discussed yesterday, some or all of new date fields on bug/bugtask and invalid/wontfix12:43
sabdflsure12:44
sabdflgood idea12:44
sabdflask about bugtask lifecycle reporting12:44
bradbok12:44
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bradbI also opened bugs on each of those things we discussed yeterday12:44
sabdflnice! thanks12:48
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dafwe seem to be getting lots of requests for translation teams recently01:02
lifelessstub - is https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadRollout current ?01:05
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  get rid of one import fascist warning. (r3325: Steve Alexander)01:06
stublifeless: yes - just updated it.01:16
lifelessthanks01:16
carlosstub: hi01:16
carlosstub: we just detected a problem with Rosetta exports cache system01:16
carlosstub: everytime we fix the export code, we need to discard any cached file01:17
carlosstub: so we will need to execute: UPDATE POFile SET exportfile = NULL, exporttime=NULL;01:17
carlosstub: after the rollout01:18
carlosstub: how could we plan this so it does not cause a problem for you?01:18
carloswe don't need to do it with every rollout, only with rollouts that change things on the export code01:19
stubI can see this happening regularly, and also needing to be done on staging. So we might need to add an extra stage to the datebase upgrade procedures for this sort of data migration thing.01:20
stubLogic could go into upgrade.py01:21
Kinnisonor we could just have a patch file each time carlos fixes a bug01:21
carlosstub: so it's an argument /env variable so you activate it only when needed?01:21
stubKinnison: Sure. But I expect that this is going to be every rollout for some time.01:21
carlosKinnison: but the patch should be removed for next rollout01:21
Kinnisoncarlos: it would already have been applied01:22
carlosKinnison: oh, right, we only execute it once on production....01:22
stubI expect the way to go is to nuke all cached files on every database upgrade, and if it causes performance issues do something more complex (which was how we approached the full text indexes)01:23
carlosstub: well, I'm fixing many issues now, but I don't think we should remove the cached exports every week...01:23
stubAlthough in this case, code updates could need clearing the caches too...01:23
carlosstub: ok, that works for me01:23
carlosstub: could you execute that command now on production, please?01:24
carlosI have a 450 lines .diff from a file that I just forced the cache update because it was not changed in one year....01:25
stubcarlos: done01:25
carlosstub: thank you01:26
carlosKinnison: btw your paste script has a bug01:27
dafor a feature :)01:28
carlosor perhaps it's a feature....01:28
daf^5s Carlos01:28
carlos;-)01:28
carlosKinnison: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filemiyQKT.html01:28
carlosKinnison: all those html tags are japanese characters01:28
carlosso it broke the diff01:28
jameshcarlos: that's what the web browser sent the script01:29
dafI wonder what content-type it used int he POST01:29
carlosjamesh: so it's a limitation of the service01:29
dafperhaps the paste script could do more decoding01:30
Kinnisonit's so completely basic01:30
Kinnisoncarlos: feel free to write a better one01:30
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dafcarlos: did you use a web browser or utilities/paste?01:30
carlosKinnison: I think I can live with it ;-)01:31
carlosdaf: firefox01:31
dafcan you do diff ... | ./utlities/paste?01:32
dafcarlos: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/29466 -- did this drop-down box die with the changes to the imports page?01:34
UbugtuMalone bug 29466 in rosetta "Import Queue -- sorting of language dropdown" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  01:34
jameshdaf: you need to tell the form to post UTF-8.  Otherwise you lose information01:34
carlosdaf: no, it's still there01:34
dafI'm just curious what would happen :)01:34
dafcarlos: I don't see it01:34
carlosdaf: follow one of the 'Edit' links 01:35
dafah01:35
carlosyou need to be loged in01:35
dafyeah, I see it nowI know what he means now01:36
jameshdaf: the server sees exactly the same thing if you post "&12489;" as if you posted ""01:36
carlosdaf: what format does .canonical_paste_auth have?01:36
daf"%s\n%s\n" % (username, password), IIRC01:37
jordicarlos: can you add ubuntu-l10n-co?01:37
dafjamesh: how so?01:37
carlosdaf: that exactly text? (changing username and password?01:38
sabdflCRISP AND CLEAN!01:38
carlosok, got the format from your script... sorry, I was being lazy01:39
jameshdaf: if the page is served in an encoding that can't represent the character you type into the form, the web browser converts it to an &nnnn; character reference01:40
jameshdaf: unfortunately, it doesn't do anything special if you type "&nnnn;" into the form, so the server sees the same thing in both cases01:40
dafah; I thought you were generalising to non-web-browsers01:40
dafit seems HTTP POST is somewhat under-specified01:41
jameshdaf: the only way around it is to tell the browser to send back the data in an encoding that can represent everything01:41
dafor just has too many crap implementations; not sure which01:41
dafoh, an attribute on <form>?01:42
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spivstub: every time I glance at http://pqm.launchpad.net/, I'm seeing a different exception... that must be one heck of a failure log you're going to get ;)01:42
jameshgenerally the browser will send back data in the same encoding as the page01:42
jameshunless you use the accept-encoding attribute on <form>01:42
carlosjordi: done01:42
carlosdaf: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filerXEeD8.html01:42
carlosdaf: I'm not sure what's better....01:42
jameshIE has a quirk in its accept-encoding attribute handling though: the only value it will honour is UTF-801:43
jamesh(which is usually not a problem)01:43
dafcarlos: looks ok when I tell Epiphany it's in UTF-801:43
dafthough looks like maybe some things got mangled01:44
carlosdaf: well, it's the webserver which should send that UTF-8 information ;-)01:44
dafwell, it's the CGI script01:44
dafit has no idea what encoding the content is in01:44
jordicarlos: thanks01:46
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lifelessZnarl: can we have a bigger SMTP limit on balleny please:02:10
lifeless  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/smtplib.py", line 677, in sendmail02:10
lifeless    raise SMTPSenderRefused(code, resp, from_addr)02:10
lifelesssmtplib.SMTPSenderRefused: (552, 'Message size exceeds fixed limit', 'pqm@canonical.com')02:10
kikohoho02:11
kikopqm the whale02:11
Znarllifeless : OK, RT away please?02:11
kikowe need an rt-bot02:12
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BenChey everyone02:15
BenChow do I delete a team from launchpad?02:15
BenCWe have a duplicate kernel-team, when out actual team is ubuntu-kernel-team02:15
carlosnot sure if you can merge teams....02:16
carlosstub: ?02:16
stubadmin merge interface might work02:16
=== stub gives it a go
kikoyou can't merge teams yet02:17
kikobut we will do that rsn02:17
kikomatsubara is the man with the plan02:17
BenCcan anyone use some extra powers to just get rid of kernel-team? :)02:17
kikoBenC, mmmm, you'll find this unbelievable, but not easily without merging.02:18
kikoit's not going to take forever, it shouldn't be complicated and I've planned the work02:18
BenCok, thanks02:18
kikosorry bout that02:18
BenCnp, I didn't even notice it existed till mdz pointed it out02:19
stubBenC: kernel-team is aparently the Debian Kernel Team02:19
BenCno, it's "Ubuntu Kernel Team", and me as owner02:19
BenCdebian kernel team is debian-team02:19
BenCerr, debian-kernel02:19
stubhmm...ui bug...02:20
=== BenC wonders why the ubuntu-kernel-team has no karma
BenCwe should out karmalize everyone! :)02:21
stubteams don't get karma. people get karma.02:21
stub(well... they shouldn't and they won't next landing)02:21
BenCah02:21
BenCsweet, I've got a lot of karma02:22
Kinnisonhow often is karma recalculated?02:35
Kinnisonand does adding a comment when changing a task not count as adding a bug comment?02:35
fabbioneholy cow!02:47
fabbioneBenC: i just noticed our karma :)02:47
BenChow much do you have?02:47
fabbionea bit more than 43K02:47
BenCdamn, I'm only at 27k :)02:48
fabbionei am getting closer to Kamion :)02:48
BenCis there a page of the top karma?02:49
fabbionedon't thjink so02:50
dafKarma:  226041 \o/03:02
dafbug triage ftw03:03
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dafhttps://launchpad.net/people/+newteam:03:16
daf"Your name as you would like it displayed throughout Launchpad. Most people use their full name here."03:16
jameshthe Dafydd Harries team03:19
dafindeed :)03:19
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kikocprov, sleep?03:52
cprovkiko: could not talk with Kinnison yet 03:52
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  make navigation components be used for xmlrpc requests. (r3326: Steve Alexander)04:00
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: Finish the implementation of MirrorManagement. Mainly the prober script and a lot other fixes. r=spiv (r3327: Guilherme Salgado)05:13
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matidHi, is Launchpad being updated recently? I've noticed something wierd happening to karma like increasing enormously...05:18
kikoyeah, there was a change in the karma policy05:19
kikodon't worry too much because the actual karma events are still there05:19
kikowe are just tweaking how it is calculated05:19
kiko(so it is reversible and changeable)05:19
matidYeah, I know05:19
matidBut is new karma system temporary or is to be permanent?05:19
matidI mean the way they calculate it05:20
mptmatid, it will be changed again but will settle down over time05:20
mptjust like PageRank05:20
matidOk05:20
matidBecause right now I have over 1200 points for bug management even though I did like 2 or 3 bug reports ;)05:21
matidAnyway, thanks for info05:22
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bradbbradb@oxygen:~/canonical/malone-bzr-integration $ utilities/pgmassacre.py launchpad_ftest_template05:37
bradbYou are not worthy. User postgres only.05:37
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jameshhaha05:40
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  reenable testImportKeyRing and testSetOwnerTrust tests (r3328: James Henstridge)05:40
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carlosbradb: is that your magical script to have make schema work always?05:44
bradbcarlos: No script, hand-made.05:45
carlos;-)05:45
lakinAnyone know how many new bugs are reported per day (against ubuntu and it's packages) ....  even better would be the number of bugs reported without a package, but within ubuntu?05:45
bradbMaybe I'll try and fix the Makefile later.05:45
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seb128hi05:56
seb128bradb, jamesh: could you import bugzilla.ubuntu #7714 ?05:56
UbugtuUbuntu bug 7714 in gtk+2.0 "Change default invisible character for GtkEntry" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771405:56
bradbseb128: jamesh is picking up the task of importing the rest of the bugs from Bugzilla in05:58
seb128yeah, we exchanged some mails about that some weeks ago05:59
seb128but that has still not happened afaik05:59
bradbindeed. he seems confident about being able to make it happen today.05:59
seb128and I'm sort of waiting on some import for work stuff ...05:59
kikocan anyone remind me what the pending issue was?05:59
seb128ah, nice05:59
jameshseb128: sorry, but I didn't get round to doing the import (I was waiting on some input from others, and then dropped the ball)06:00
matsubarabradb: are you taking care of bug 33978?06:00
UbugtuMalone bug 33978 in malone "Advanced search page doesn't do any input validation" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3397806:00
bradbmatsubara: Not during this sprint, but I know how to fix it now.06:01
jameshseb128: that bug is on the list I generated earlier, so I'm going to look at handling them today06:01
seb128jamesh: cool, thank you!06:01
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elmook, so how do I get history from a merged branch in bzr?06:26
ddaa"bzr log" in that branch?06:27
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh,kiko]  Fix bug 33342 (Please make filtering on the component possible (main, universe)) (r3329: Brad Bollenbach)06:28
elmojames    14552 94.3 25.8 141120 133512 pts/4   R+   16:04  80:38              \_ /usr/bin/python2.4 /usr/bin/bzr log -l -v sync-source.py06:30
elmooh, sorry, I missed 'in that branch'.  the problem is, I don't have access to the branch, and didn't think I would need it?  I thought history was preserved?06:30
ddaaif you do you not have the branch, you do not have it, if it is merged, its data is in your repository, but nothing says "here was a branch"06:31
kikorock and rolly06:31
ddaabzr has no branches, it has revisions06:32
ddaaelmo: maybe if you explained why you want to do that...06:32
elmoright, sorry, I'm not being very clear06:32
elmoI want to see the history of this one file, for the time it was in the soyuz branch06:33
elmobasically so I can determine what revision of the file, got mered into soyuz and consequently mainline06:33
elmoif that makes sense?06:33
ddaamh... how is that different from "just give me the history of this file"?06:33
jameshelmo: each entry in the "bzr log" output has a branch nickname, which might help you determine where the revision originated from06:34
SteveAelmo: would this be easier if you popped over to the excel to talk with the bzr guys here?06:34
elmoSteveA: excel is a 2 hour round trip minimum06:34
ddaawe'll buy you tea for your trouble06:34
SteveAyou can get the buffet dinner here too06:34
elmowell, it doesn't matter, I can brute-force my way round it (check out each possible revision and compare! \o/) - I just think/hope I'm missing something obvious06:35
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marseillaihi! i've report this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/36086 and i want to know if i can do something more to help ...........06:38
UbugtuMalone bug 36086 in network-manager "network manager can't activate eth1 interface" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  06:38
SteveAmarseillai: this is a bug on an ubuntu package06:38
jameshseb128: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/36190 <- that's the bug.  I still need to fix up the dupes06:38
UbugtuMalone bug 36190 in gtk+2.0 "Change default invisible character for GtkEntry" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  06:38
marseillaiSteveA: yes it is ...06:39
SteveAso, asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-motu will get a more helpful response06:39
marseillaioki SteveA 06:39
SteveAthis channel is for discussing using launchpad.net, and developing it06:39
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seb128jamesh: thank you06:42
jameshseb128: that's 99 new bugs in.  I think that covers everything now.06:42
jamesh(not just 7714)06:42
seb128cool, thank you!06:44
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mdkei just got rather confused with malone. There is a bug filed on Openoffice.org (Ubuntu) and there was a massive box which said "This bug has not been reported as occuring in Ubuntu", or something similar. So I clicked it, and it added a task just saying "Ubuntu". How many tasks should there be on each bug?06:57
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  add support contacts for products, distributions, and source packages, which will be automatically subscribed to new support requests. (r3330: Bjorn Tillenius)06:57
mptmdke, I'm just about to send off a fix that fixes that particular error message06:57
mdkecool06:58
mptbut I don't think it fixes your particular case06:58
mpthmmm06:58
mdkeoh06:58
mdkeit's bug '3612106:58
jameshseb128: duplicates should be updated now06:58
mdkeit's bug #3612106:58
UbugtuMalone bug 36121 in openoffice.org "crashes on more than one page" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3612106:58
mptmdke: See, if we already know that it happens in OO.o in particular, there's no need to also register that it happens in Ubuntu in general06:58
jameshseb128: that is, duplicates of the old bug are now duplicates of the newly imported bug, and the old bug is also a duplicate of the new bug06:59
mptthe reason you got that message is that you were looking at it from the Ubuntu-in-general URL space06:59
mdkempt, well quite. Especially since the bug is marked "Openoffice.org (Ubuntu)"06:59
mptWe probably shouldn't show the message at all if you're looking at a distro and it's filed on a package of that distro06:59
mdkeright06:59
seb128jamesh: cool06:59
mptmdke, bug 3628607:01
UbugtuMalone bug 36286 in malone "Don't show "not reported here" message at distro if bug is on a distro package" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3628607:01
mdkempt, thanks07:03
mdkewhile I'm here, i really like the arrows on the tasks which bring down the ability to change a bug's status07:03
mdkethose should be made the standard, and the separate page for +editstatus abolished, in my opinion07:04
mdkealso, sometimes those arrows are not there, no idea why not. But it would be cool if they always were07:04
mdkegtg07:05
mptmdke, yeah, bugs have too many pages07:07
mptwe're going to do the same expandy thing for contexts other than the one you're in right now07:07
mpti.e. all rows will expand07:07
mptbut sabdfl says they shouldn't have expanders07:07
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sabdflreally teeny tiny expanders07:10
sabdflbut let's try with none, space there is precious07:10
ddaapornlets... expansion... what kind of website is that???07:12
mptIt's precious because the page has three columns :-)07:14
carlosUserWarning: shortlist() should not be used here. It's meant to listify sequences with no more than 15 items.  There were 16 items.07:16
carlos  releases = sorted(shortlist(sprs), cmp=compare)07:16
carlosfunny07:16
kikonot funny!07:16
mptOff-by-one error07:16
spivClearly we need a mediumlist ;)07:18
jameshcarlos: you can set a different "expected maximum length" for shortlist07:18
carlosspiv: then we will have one case with len(mediumlist) + 1 items ;-)07:18
jameshspiv: mediumlist() would need to check that the list wasn't too short :)07:18
carlosjamesh: not my code, I saw it on the error mailing list07:19
spivcarlos: well, that's a case for slightlymorethanmediumlist...07:19
kikoBjornT, ping?07:19
BjornTpong?07:19
kikohttps://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileft3NVJ.html07:19
kikoall tests pass.07:19
kikoBjornT, r=BjornT much appreciated07:20
kikoSteveA, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/3158907:20
UbugtuMalone bug 31589 in launchpad "Attempting to set redirection_url to a tuple instead of a string in login machinery" [Normal,In progress]  07:20
kikoSteveA, find time to talk about this with salgado?07:20
SteveAdidn't yet07:21
kikoyou should or else update the bug with a plan07:21
kikopart of the "don't block others" campaign07:21
SteveAyou tell me when salgado has some free time07:22
elmoerr07:31
elmoR. [  47: Adam Conrad         ]  Accepted initramfs-tools 0.40ubuntu26 (source)07:31
elmoR.     <  44: Scott James Remnant >07:31
elmowhat's wrong with this picture?07:31
kikonot sure07:32
elmotwo people uploaded the same version of a package, and they both got accepted07:32
kikofile a bug!07:32
Keybukkiko: that bug has existed for MONTHS07:33
Keybukunfortunately filing a bug on Launchpad never seems to result in a bug being FIXED <g>07:33
kikowhat's the bug #?07:33
Keybukbug 3103807:33
UbugtuMalone bug 31038 in launchpad-upload-and-queue "two accept messages for different udev 079-0ubuntu9 uploads" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3103807:33
kikoI'll ignore the rest of your drivel07:33
kikoI'll get it fixed as soon as cprov is back from his honeymoon, thanks for the heads-up07:34
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=kiko]  Added an option to force UTF-8 export for language packs. [r=spiv]  Fixed supermirror test (r3331: Carlos Perello Marin, Carlos Perell Marn)07:56
jameshspiv: how does this look? https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filesUOyLk.html08:33
LaserJockkiko: did you get my (Jordan Mantha) email with a list of packages to add motuscience to the initial bug contact list?08:56
kikoLaserJock, yeah, I did, I'm just terrible with email this week (sprinting), will address next week.09:01
LaserJockkiko: no problem, my email was buggy so I just wanted to make sure you got it09:01
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kikoyeah, got it no worries09:01
LaserJockcool09:02
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=lifeless]  Remove redundant bzr_push_root_url config value, use branches_root instead. (r3332: Andrew Bennetts)09:52
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=kiko]  port the bug listings to the two column layout template, so that the navigation moves to the left (r3333: Brad Bollenbach)10:23
jordiKinnison: are you around the conf?10:30
jordiKinnison: can you ping carlos for me?10:30
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dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: [r=stub on db patch, trivial]  rename BugBranch.fixed_in_revision to BugBranch.revision_hint (r3334: Brad Bollenbach)10:46
dilysMerge to devel/launchpad/: r=BjornT Remove IRemoteBugTask marker interface; it deoptimizes BugTask._init() and can mostly be replaced with a property (r3334: Christian Reis)11:10

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