| LaserJock | yeah! I found ^O in vim today | 12:28 |
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| robotgeek | hey Burgwork | 06:30 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: err :) | 06:30 |
| Burgundavia | salut robotgeek | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | just saw V for Vendetta. Excellent | 06:32 |
| robotgeek | nice. i will try to catch it soon | 06:32 |
| jsgotangco | you like dthat movie? | 06:33 |
| jsgotangco | DELL | 06:33 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 06:33 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: now, you've confused me. heh | 06:34 |
| crimsun | well, I'd go see it for Ms. Portman's performance | 06:34 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: DELL | 06:34 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: yes. dell + alienware? | 06:35 |
| jsgotangco | ywahoo synaptics works | 06:37 |
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| Burgundavia | brb, seeing if the synaptics fixed worked | 07:12 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: think I should close the synaptics bug? it works for me too | 07:20 |
| jsgotangco | sounds good to me | 07:22 |
| jsgotangco | you can just put a line telling people to reopen just in case | 07:22 |
| jsgotangco | but i think it works now, tried in 2 laptops | 07:22 |
| Burgundavia | I changed to need info with a note about it | 07:22 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: is it the one in which the touchpad is too low? | 07:23 |
| robotgeek | slow, err | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:23 |
| robotgeek | great, good to know | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 07:25 |
| jsgotangco | it should work now | 07:25 |
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| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 07:28 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 07:28 |
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| robotgeek | hey Madpilot manicka | 07:34 |
| Madpilot | hi robotgeek | 07:34 |
| manicka | hey | 07:34 |
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| Madpilot | OK, that's very odd - my LP karma has just gone from around 40 to 2139 - huh? | 08:35 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i'm at 40K | 08:36 |
| Madpilot | wow | 08:36 |
| robotgeek | 40850, trappist was close to 50K | 08:36 |
| Madpilot | I'm just not sure why the sudden huge jump - all I've done in the last few weeks is file a few bugs :P | 08:37 |
| robotgeek | Bug Management 4985, Specification Tracking 35865 | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | mine is 80k | 08:37 |
| Madpilot | where does LP give the breakdown of where you earned your karma? | 08:37 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: go to your page, and overview Karma | 08:38 |
| Madpilot | ah - of course I missed it, it was right at the top of the list :P | 08:39 |
| robotgeek | -> bed. later | 08:44 |
| Madpilot | later, robotgeek | 08:45 |
| Madpilot | night all | 09:04 |
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| bhuvan | mdke: ping | 12:18 |
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| jjesse | how can i help to get the desktop guide for kubuntu finished? | 03:11 |
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| jsgotangco | ubuntu rooter? | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | wiki team spin off? | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 03:23 |
| jjesse | you like that :) | 03:29 |
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| jsgotangco | jjesse: i wouldn't say i like it but if its needed, so be it | 03:32 |
| jjesse | i guess it came out of my earlier rant about another possible documentation project | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | there's an wiki team at LP under the doc team, but so far, its more of a social networking team heh | 03:37 |
| jjesse | i think there should be | 03:38 |
| jjesse | somethng more then social networking | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | it would be nice if they can receive wiki bugs | 03:38 |
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| mdke | that would be limited to wish-list bugs only, tbh. If you have time to file a bug about a minor error, you have time to fix it yourself. As for wishlist things, we need to work on pages like CategoryCleanup, WikiToDo, etc | 03:40 |
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| jsgotangco | i'd really say moin is hurting the wiki in terms of management and presentation | 03:42 |
| mdke | why? | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | oh i have my reasons, i'm used to the mediawiki way and it does things better | 03:43 |
| jsgotangco | i use it at work and for a huge au portal and it does wonders | 03:43 |
| mdke | but what are your reasons? | 03:43 |
| jsgotangco | like i said, i prefer the mediawiki workflow of management | 03:44 |
| jjesse | i don't know much about wikis to be honest, but why the decision to use moin over a different type of wiki? | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | it used to be zwiki but that's a forgettable episode of ubuntu wiki | 03:45 |
| mdke | preferring mediawiki is not a reason that moin is hurting our wiki | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | bah just look at wikipedia | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | im not saying we change it | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | it is a personal preference | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | when did personal opinion become taboo here? | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 03:50 |
| mdke | never | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | whatever | 03:55 |
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| mdke | hmm | 03:55 |
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| jjesse | that was wierd | 03:58 |
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| mdke | i thought I was saying something conciliatory | 03:58 |
| jjesse | like i said before i don't know much about wikis, but does each wiki program have different formating "language"? | 03:59 |
| mdke | yeah | 03:59 |
| mdke | it's a pain, each wiki's formatting tends to vary a bit | 03:59 |
| jjesse | that seems a little silly | 04:00 |
| mdke | agreed. That's what happens when projects develop individually though | 04:01 |
| trappist | maybe it's because I've gotten used to it, but I really like trac's wiki markup | 04:17 |
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| qgil | hi there, a comment about installing Java in Dapper: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03s02.html | 05:33 |
| qgil | wouldn't be easier to just recomment to install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin and dependencies with synaptic? | 05:33 |
| qgil | hi Burgwork :) | 05:34 |
| mdke | qgil, that is the breezy guide. But yes, you are right | 05:34 |
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| qgil | (sorry, I always get confused) | 05:34 |
| mdke | I'll make a note to have a look at it for dapper | 05:35 |
| qgil | ok, thank you | 05:35 |
| mdke | but i think we'll try and include information to get a full java installation up too | 05:35 |
| qgil | as far as you state that most users will be happy with the mozilla plugin, why not | 05:36 |
| qgil | ok, I will come back whenever I find more possible improvements, thank you for your work | 05:36 |
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| jjesse | robotgeek_zzz: how can i help out the desktopguide? | 07:26 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: hi | 08:48 |
| theCore | bonjour LaserJock :) | 08:48 |
| theCore | LaserJock: how the PG is going? | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | well, it's going | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | I think I'm going to get rid of the "Advanced" chapter for Dapper | 08:57 |
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| theCore | lol, obviously we need someone advanced to do this chapter | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | well, I just need more time. | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | I'd rather focus on getting the other stuff in better shape | 08:59 |
| theCore | LaserJock: do you use VI for editing ? | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | g/vim | 09:04 |
| theCore | hmm, that why my indenting is not the same ... | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | theCore: what are you using? | 09:06 |
| theCore | Emacs | 09:06 |
| LaserJock | sometimes I think my indenting is weird. I'm still learning vim (started out with emacs) | 09:06 |
| theCore | why the switch? | 09:07 |
| theCore | I switched to emacs from vim | 09:07 |
| theCore | to me, emacs seem more powerful, but I don't want to start another editor war here | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | lol, no flames here | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | emacs just seem like *too* much | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | I just want an editor | 09:10 |
| theCore | do you know if there is a DocBook mode for Emacs? | 09:11 |
| theCore | or, I have to stick with the SGML mode ? | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | I think there is only the sgml mode | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | I also seem faster in vim because it uses more regular keys instead of Ctrl or Meta everythin | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | but there are still some things that I can do much faster with emacs (some data processing stuff I do) | 09:17 |
| theCore | in vim, instead, you have to switch between the editing mode to the command mode, if time you want to move your cursur | 09:19 |
| theCore | cursor* | 09:19 |
| theCore | s/if/each/ | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | well, I usually use the arrow keys so it isn't a big deal, but getting used to the different modes is something I'm still working on | 09:20 |
| theCore | however, you can use those nice regex :) | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | My goal is to be able to use both pretty well. I like both and I use both. | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | but so far I haven't found much that I do in emacs that I can't do in vim so they seem pretty comparable as far as "power" to me | 09:21 |
| theCore | I use vi when I want edit config file, it works better than emacs | 09:22 |
| theCore | for most peoples, vi as the same power as nano (same thing with emacs) | 09:23 |
| theCore | they just don't use all the shortcut | 09:24 |
| theCore | nobody does actually | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | I usually use nano for config files and quick edits, g/vim for docs , and emacs for data processing stuff (mostly since I'm not very fast with vim yet) | 09:25 |
| theCore | I wonder if a dot-file-exchange-o-thon exist ... | 09:34 |
| trappist | there's a lot of .vimrc snippets at vim.org | 09:55 |
| trappist | and lots of people publish theirs where google can find them | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | trappist: do you use gvim at all? | 09:57 |
| trappist | nah, just vim | 09:57 |
| trappist | I do like gvim on windows though | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | I'm using gvim in OSX but for some reason it isn't loading the xml ftplugin | 09:58 |
| trappist | where did you put it, and is it in gvim's runtimepath | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | well, that's the thing. It is fine in vim and it seems to see settings in .vim but it just isn't loading in gvim | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | it might be just a bug | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | yep, it seems to be my OSX port. I installed gvim from fink and it works fine | 10:02 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I got to go now, I will probably mail my diff later | 10:11 |
| robotgeek | damn, missed jjesse | 10:12 |
| robotgeek | anyways, later | 10:14 |
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