[12:28] <LaserJock> yeah! I found ^O in vim today
[06:30] <robotgeek> hey Burgwork 
[06:30] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: err :)
[06:31] <Burgundavia> salut robotgeek
[06:32] <Burgundavia> just saw V for Vendetta. Excellent
[06:32] <robotgeek> nice. i will try to catch it soon
[06:33] <jsgotangco> you like dthat movie?
[06:33] <jsgotangco> DELL
[06:33] <jsgotangco> :)
[06:34] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: now, you've confused me. heh
[06:34] <crimsun> well, I'd go see it for Ms. Portman's performance
[06:34] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: DELL
[06:35] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: yes. dell + alienware?
[06:37] <jsgotangco> ywahoo synaptics works
[07:12] <Burgundavia> brb, seeing if the synaptics fixed worked
[07:20] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: think I should close the synaptics bug? it works for me too
[07:22] <jsgotangco> sounds good to me
[07:22] <jsgotangco> you can just put a line telling people to reopen just in case
[07:22] <jsgotangco> but i think it works now, tried in 2 laptops
[07:22] <Burgundavia> I changed to need info with a note about it
[07:23] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: is it the one in which the touchpad is too low?
[07:23] <robotgeek> slow, err
[07:23] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:24] <robotgeek> great, good to know
[07:25] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:25] <jsgotangco> it should work now
[07:28] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[07:28] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[07:34] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot manicka 
[07:34] <Madpilot> hi robotgeek 
[07:34] <manicka> hey
[08:35] <Madpilot> OK, that's very odd - my LP karma has just gone from around 40 to 2139 - huh?
[08:36] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i'm at 40K
[08:36] <Madpilot> wow
[08:36] <robotgeek> 40850, trappist was close to 50K 
[08:37] <Madpilot> I'm just not sure why the sudden huge jump - all I've done in the last few weeks is file a few bugs :P
[08:37] <robotgeek> Bug Management 4985, Specification Tracking 35865
[08:37] <Burgundavia> mine is 80k
[08:37] <Madpilot> where does LP give the breakdown of where you earned your karma?
[08:38] <robotgeek> Madpilot: go to your page, and overview Karma
[08:39] <Madpilot> ah - of course I missed it, it was right at the top of the list :P
[08:44] <robotgeek> -> bed. later
[08:45] <Madpilot> later, robotgeek 
[09:04] <Madpilot> night all
[12:18] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[03:11] <jjesse> how can i help to get the desktop guide for kubuntu finished?
[03:21] <jsgotangco> ubuntu rooter?
[03:23] <jsgotangco> wiki team spin off?
[03:23] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:29] <jjesse> you like that :)
[03:32] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i wouldn't say i like it but if its needed, so be it
[03:35] <jjesse> i guess it came out of my earlier rant about another possible documentation project
[03:37] <jsgotangco> there's an wiki team at LP under the doc team, but so far, its more of a social networking team heh
[03:38] <jjesse> i think there should be
[03:38] <jjesse> somethng more then social networking
[03:38] <jsgotangco> it would be nice if they can receive wiki bugs
[03:40] <mdke> that would be limited to wish-list bugs only, tbh. If you have time to file a bug about a minor error, you have time to fix it yourself. As for wishlist things, we need to work on pages like CategoryCleanup, WikiToDo, etc
[03:42] <jsgotangco> i'd really say moin is hurting the wiki in terms of management and presentation
[03:42] <mdke> why?
[03:43] <jsgotangco> oh i have my reasons, i'm used to the mediawiki way and it does things better
[03:43] <jsgotangco> i use it at work and for a huge au portal and it does wonders
[03:43] <mdke> but what are your reasons?
[03:44] <jsgotangco> like i said, i prefer the mediawiki workflow of management
[03:44] <jjesse> i don't know much about wikis to be honest, but why the decision to use moin over a different type of wiki?
[03:45] <jsgotangco> it used to be zwiki but that's a forgettable episode of ubuntu wiki
[03:49] <mdke> preferring mediawiki is not a reason that moin is hurting our wiki
[03:49] <jsgotangco> bah just look at wikipedia
[03:49] <jsgotangco> im not saying we change it
[03:49] <jsgotangco> it is a personal preference
[03:50] <jsgotangco> when did personal opinion become taboo here?
[03:50] <jsgotangco> :P
[03:55] <mdke> never
[03:55] <jsgotangco> whatever
[03:55] <mdke> hmm
[03:58] <jjesse> that was wierd
[03:58] <mdke> i thought I was saying something conciliatory
[03:59] <jjesse> like i said before i don't know much about wikis, but does each wiki program have different formating "language"?
[03:59] <mdke> yeah
[03:59] <mdke> it's a pain, each wiki's formatting tends to vary a bit
[04:00] <jjesse> that seems a little silly
[04:01] <mdke> agreed. That's what happens when projects develop individually though
[04:17] <trappist> maybe it's because I've gotten used to it, but I really like trac's wiki markup
[05:33] <qgil> hi there, a comment about installing Java in Dapper: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03s02.html
[05:33] <qgil> wouldn't be easier to just recomment to install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin and dependencies with synaptic?
[05:34] <qgil> hi Burgwork  :)
[05:34] <mdke> qgil, that is the breezy guide. But yes, you are right
[05:34] <qgil> (sorry, I always get confused)
[05:35] <mdke> I'll make a note to have a look at it for dapper
[05:35] <qgil> ok, thank you
[05:35] <mdke> but i think we'll try and include information to get a full java installation up too
[05:36] <qgil> as far as you state that most users will be happy with the mozilla plugin, why not
[05:36] <qgil> ok, I will come back whenever I find more possible improvements, thank you for your work
[07:26] <jjesse> robotgeek_zzz: how can i help out the desktopguide?
[08:48] <LaserJock> theCore: hi
[08:48] <theCore> bonjour LaserJock :)
[08:57] <theCore> LaserJock: how the PG is going?
[08:57] <LaserJock> well, it's going
[08:57] <LaserJock> I think I'm going to get rid of the "Advanced" chapter for Dapper
[08:59] <theCore> lol, obviously we need someone advanced to do this chapter
[08:59] <LaserJock> well, I just need more time.
[08:59] <LaserJock> I'd rather focus on getting the other stuff in better shape
[09:04] <theCore> LaserJock: do you use VI for editing ?
[09:04] <LaserJock> g/vim
[09:05] <theCore> hmm, that why my indenting is not the same ... 
[09:06] <LaserJock> theCore: what are you using?
[09:06] <theCore> Emacs
[09:06] <LaserJock> sometimes I think my indenting is weird. I'm still learning vim (started out with emacs)
[09:07] <theCore> why the switch?
[09:07] <theCore> I switched to emacs from vim 
[09:09] <theCore> to me, emacs seem more powerful, but I don't want to start another editor war here 
[09:10] <LaserJock> lol, no flames here
[09:10] <LaserJock> emacs just seem like *too* much
[09:10] <LaserJock> I just want an editor
[09:11] <theCore> do you know if there is a DocBook mode for Emacs?
[09:12] <theCore> or, I have to stick with the SGML mode ?
[09:14] <LaserJock> I think there is only the sgml mode
[09:16] <LaserJock> I also seem faster in vim because it uses more regular keys instead of Ctrl or Meta everythin
[09:17] <LaserJock> but there are still some things that I can do much faster with emacs (some data processing stuff I do)
[09:19] <theCore> in vim, instead, you have to switch between the editing mode to the command mode, if time you want to move your cursur
[09:19] <theCore> cursor*
[09:19] <theCore> s/if/each/
[09:20] <LaserJock> well, I usually use the arrow keys so it isn't a big deal, but getting used to the different modes is something I'm still working on 
[09:20] <theCore> however, you can use those nice regex :)
[09:21] <LaserJock> My goal is to be able to use both pretty well. I like both and I use both.
[09:21] <LaserJock> but so far I haven't found much that I do in emacs that I can't do in vim so they seem pretty comparable as far as "power" to me
[09:22] <theCore> I use vi when I want edit config file, it works better than emacs
[09:23] <theCore> for most peoples, vi as the same power as nano (same thing with emacs) 
[09:24] <theCore> they just don't use all the shortcut
[09:24] <theCore> nobody does actually
[09:25] <LaserJock> I usually use nano for config files and quick edits, g/vim for docs , and emacs for data processing stuff (mostly since I'm not very fast with vim yet)
[09:34] <theCore> I wonder if a dot-file-exchange-o-thon exist ...
[09:55] <trappist> there's a lot of .vimrc snippets at vim.org
[09:55] <trappist> and lots of people publish theirs where google can find them
[09:57] <LaserJock> trappist: do you use gvim at all?
[09:57] <trappist> nah, just vim
[09:57] <trappist> I do like gvim on windows though
[09:58] <LaserJock> I'm using gvim in OSX but for some reason it isn't loading the xml ftplugin
[09:59] <trappist> where did you put it, and is it in gvim's runtimepath
[09:59] <LaserJock> well, that's the thing. It is fine in vim and it seems to see settings in .vim but it just isn't loading in gvim
[10:00] <LaserJock> it might be just a bug
[10:02] <LaserJock> yep, it seems to be my OSX port. I installed gvim from fink and it works fine
[10:11] <theCore> LaserJock: I got to go now, I will probably mail my diff later
[10:12] <robotgeek> damn, missed jjesse
[10:14] <robotgeek> anyways, later