[12:28] yeah! I found ^O in vim today === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin_ [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208155.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:30] hey Burgwork [06:30] Burgundavia: err :) [06:31] salut robotgeek [06:32] just saw V for Vendetta. Excellent [06:32] nice. i will try to catch it soon [06:33] you like dthat movie? [06:33] DELL [06:33] :) [06:34] jsgotangco: now, you've confused me. heh [06:34] well, I'd go see it for Ms. Portman's performance [06:34] robotgeek: DELL [06:35] jsgotangco: yes. dell + alienware? [06:37] ywahoo synaptics works === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-13-71.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] brb, seeing if the synaptics fixed worked === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:20] jsgotangco: think I should close the synaptics bug? it works for me too [07:22] sounds good to me [07:22] you can just put a line telling people to reopen just in case [07:22] but i think it works now, tried in 2 laptops [07:22] I changed to need info with a note about it [07:23] jsgotangco: is it the one in which the touchpad is too low? [07:23] slow, err [07:23] yes [07:24] great, good to know [07:25] yes [07:25] it should work now === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:28] salut Madpilot [07:28] hi Burgundavia === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [07:34] hey Madpilot manicka [07:34] hi robotgeek [07:34] hey === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:35] OK, that's very odd - my LP karma has just gone from around 40 to 2139 - huh? [08:36] Madpilot: i'm at 40K [08:36] wow [08:36] 40850, trappist was close to 50K [08:37] I'm just not sure why the sudden huge jump - all I've done in the last few weeks is file a few bugs :P [08:37] Bug Management 4985, Specification Tracking 35865 [08:37] mine is 80k [08:37] where does LP give the breakdown of where you earned your karma? [08:38] Madpilot: go to your page, and overview Karma [08:39] ah - of course I missed it, it was right at the top of the list :P [08:44] -> bed. later [08:45] later, robotgeek [09:04] night all === jsgotangco is now known as jsgwork === kgoetz [n=Kaiser@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kgoetz is now known as Kamping_Kaiser === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:18] mdke: ping === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka is now known as manicka|zZzz === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.140] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === svaksha [n=svaksha@unaffiliated/svaksha] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvo [n=egon@p54A65CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === svaksha [n=svaksha@unaffiliated/svaksha] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:11] how can i help to get the desktop guide for kubuntu finished? === Kamping_Kaiser hands jjesse a trout to hit robotgeek_zzz with === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:21] ubuntu rooter? [03:23] wiki team spin off? [03:23] :) [03:29] you like that :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [03:32] jjesse: i wouldn't say i like it but if its needed, so be it [03:35] i guess it came out of my earlier rant about another possible documentation project [03:37] there's an wiki team at LP under the doc team, but so far, its more of a social networking team heh [03:38] i think there should be [03:38] somethng more then social networking [03:38] it would be nice if they can receive wiki bugs === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:40] that would be limited to wish-list bugs only, tbh. If you have time to file a bug about a minor error, you have time to fix it yourself. As for wishlist things, we need to work on pages like CategoryCleanup, WikiToDo, etc === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:42] i'd really say moin is hurting the wiki in terms of management and presentation [03:42] why? [03:43] oh i have my reasons, i'm used to the mediawiki way and it does things better [03:43] i use it at work and for a huge au portal and it does wonders [03:43] but what are your reasons? [03:44] like i said, i prefer the mediawiki workflow of management [03:44] i don't know much about wikis to be honest, but why the decision to use moin over a different type of wiki? [03:45] it used to be zwiki but that's a forgettable episode of ubuntu wiki [03:49] preferring mediawiki is not a reason that moin is hurting our wiki [03:49] bah just look at wikipedia [03:49] im not saying we change it [03:49] it is a personal preference [03:50] when did personal opinion become taboo here? [03:50] :P [03:55] never [03:55] whatever === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [03:55] hmm === mdke doesn't get that [03:58] that was wierd === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:58] i thought I was saying something conciliatory [03:59] like i said before i don't know much about wikis, but does each wiki program have different formating "language"? [03:59] yeah [03:59] it's a pain, each wiki's formatting tends to vary a bit [04:00] that seems a little silly [04:01] agreed. That's what happens when projects develop individually though [04:17] maybe it's because I've gotten used to it, but I really like trac's wiki markup === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp201-15.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === qgil [n=qgil@225.Red-83-55-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:33] hi there, a comment about installing Java in Dapper: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03s02.html [05:33] wouldn't be easier to just recomment to install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin and dependencies with synaptic? [05:34] hi Burgwork :) [05:34] qgil, that is the breezy guide. But yes, you are right === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:34] (sorry, I always get confused) [05:35] I'll make a note to have a look at it for dapper [05:35] ok, thank you [05:35] but i think we'll try and include information to get a full java installation up too [05:36] as far as you state that most users will be happy with the mozilla plugin, why not [05:36] ok, I will come back whenever I find more possible improvements, thank you for your work === qgil [n=qgil@225.Red-83-55-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [07:26] robotgeek_zzz: how can i help out the desktopguide? === kyral_ [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208155.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka|zZzz is now known as manicka [08:48] theCore: hi [08:48] bonjour LaserJock :) [08:57] LaserJock: how the PG is going? [08:57] well, it's going [08:57] I think I'm going to get rid of the "Advanced" chapter for Dapper === LaserJock_ [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:59] lol, obviously we need someone advanced to do this chapter [08:59] well, I just need more time. [08:59] I'd rather focus on getting the other stuff in better shape [09:04] LaserJock: do you use VI for editing ? [09:04] g/vim [09:05] hmm, that why my indenting is not the same ... [09:06] theCore: what are you using? [09:06] Emacs [09:06] sometimes I think my indenting is weird. I'm still learning vim (started out with emacs) [09:07] why the switch? [09:07] I switched to emacs from vim [09:09] to me, emacs seem more powerful, but I don't want to start another editor war here [09:10] lol, no flames here [09:10] emacs just seem like *too* much [09:10] I just want an editor [09:11] do you know if there is a DocBook mode for Emacs? [09:12] or, I have to stick with the SGML mode ? [09:14] I think there is only the sgml mode [09:16] I also seem faster in vim because it uses more regular keys instead of Ctrl or Meta everythin [09:17] but there are still some things that I can do much faster with emacs (some data processing stuff I do) [09:19] in vim, instead, you have to switch between the editing mode to the command mode, if time you want to move your cursur [09:19] cursor* [09:19] s/if/each/ [09:20] well, I usually use the arrow keys so it isn't a big deal, but getting used to the different modes is something I'm still working on [09:20] however, you can use those nice regex :) [09:21] My goal is to be able to use both pretty well. I like both and I use both. [09:21] but so far I haven't found much that I do in emacs that I can't do in vim so they seem pretty comparable as far as "power" to me [09:22] I use vi when I want edit config file, it works better than emacs [09:23] for most peoples, vi as the same power as nano (same thing with emacs) [09:24] they just don't use all the shortcut [09:24] nobody does actually [09:25] I usually use nano for config files and quick edits, g/vim for docs , and emacs for data processing stuff (mostly since I'm not very fast with vim yet) [09:34] I wonder if a dot-file-exchange-o-thon exist ... [09:55] there's a lot of .vimrc snippets at vim.org [09:55] and lots of people publish theirs where google can find them [09:57] trappist: do you use gvim at all? [09:57] nah, just vim [09:57] I do like gvim on windows though [09:58] I'm using gvim in OSX but for some reason it isn't loading the xml ftplugin [09:59] where did you put it, and is it in gvim's runtimepath [09:59] well, that's the thing. It is fine in vim and it seems to see settings in .vim but it just isn't loading in gvim [10:00] it might be just a bug [10:02] yep, it seems to be my OSX port. I installed gvim from fink and it works fine [10:11] LaserJock: I got to go now, I will probably mail my diff later [10:12] damn, missed jjesse [10:14] anyways, later === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208155.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc