[08:41] <Seveas> @schedule amsterdam
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 23 Mar 21:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 22:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 23:00: Documentation Team | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council
[08:43] <Mez> Seveas, nice feature
[08:43] <Mez> @schedule Birmingham
[08:43] <Mez> :'(
[08:43] <Mithrandir> @schedule Oslo
[08:43] <Mez> @schedule London
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 23 Mar 21:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 22:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 23:00: Documentation Team | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 23 Mar 20:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 13:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 03:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 22:00: Documentation Team | 03 Apr 10:00: Community Council
[08:43] <Mithrandir> Mez: too small city. :-P
[08:43] <MarioMeyer> @schedule Brazil/East
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Brazil/East: 23 Mar 17:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 17:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 09:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 23:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 18:00: Documentation Team | 03 Apr 06:00: Community Council
[08:43] <Mez> Mithrandir, :P
[08:43] <Seveas> Mez, ubugtu sent you a notice with a url 
[08:43] <Seveas> go there to find all recognized timezones
[08:43] <Mez> Seveas, i noticed )
[08:44] <Seveas> gotta run - later!
[09:06] <fabbione> @schedule Kbenhavn
[09:06] <fabbione> tsk :)
[09:06] <fabbione> @schedule Copenhagen
[09:06] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 23 Mar 21:00: Dapper Development Status | 28 Mar 22:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 23:00: Documentation Team | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council
[09:06] <fabbione> so it's this evening..
[09:07] <robitaille> @topic
[09:07] <robitaille> Bug Squad meeting on Monday :)
[02:02] <simira> JaneW: ping
[02:04] <JaneW> simira: pong
[03:32] <kentborg> @schedule boston
[03:34] <Seveas> Ubugtu, 
[07:19] <sorush21> hi guys
[07:53] <sivang>  /topic
[07:59] <Kinnison> @schedule Europe/London
[07:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: 23 Mar 20:00: Dapper Development Status | 27 Mar 16:00: Bug Squad | 28 Mar 21:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 13:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 03:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 22:00: Documentation Team
[08:05] <lucas> @schedule Europe/Paris
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 23 Mar 21:00: Dapper Development Status | 27 Mar 17:00: Bug Squad | 28 Mar 22:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 23:00: Documentation Team
[08:06] <lucas> wow, that's great
[08:06] <Seveas> @schedule works in /msg too 
[08:06] <lucas> does it work on other channels too ? because Seveas will soon complain
[08:06] <lucas> ah
[08:06] <lucas> he already did ;)
[08:06] <Seveas> and no, not in other channels 
[08:06] <Seveas> 
[08:06] <ogra> like /msg Ubugtu @schedule Europe/Amsterdam ?
[08:06] <Seveas> yep
[08:07] <ogra> ah, coo
[08:07] <ogra> l
[08:07] <Seveas> and you don't need complete timezones
[08:07] <Seveas> @schedule berlin
[08:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 23 Mar 21:00: Dapper Development Status | 27 Mar 17:00: Bug Squad | 28 Mar 22:00: Technical Board | 29 Mar 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 Mar 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 31 Mar 23:00: Documentation Team
[08:07] <ogra> @schedule blankenheim 
[08:07] <ogra> ;P
[08:07] <Seveas> then Ubugtu sends you a note with a url where you can find all zones 
[08:07] <ogra> yep
[08:09] <Seveas> btw: why is there no pytz package for Ubuntu?
[08:09] <ogra> no idea 
[08:10] <ogra> ask doko
[08:10] <Seveas> urgh
[08:10] <Seveas> it's python-tz
[08:13] <ajmitch> Seveas: as it should be named..
[08:13] <Seveas> ajmitch, indeed 
[08:14] <Seveas> btw, it's not there on hoary (Ubugtu runs on a hoary machine :))
[08:14] <ajmitch> that's great - we're not adding any new packages to hoary :)
[08:14] <Seveas> I just setup.py'd it 
[08:14] <ajmitch> fine :)
[08:50] <sivang> Seveas: what about adding Asia/Israel to the list of timezones?
[08:50] <Seveas> sivang, that one is simply called 'Israel'
[08:51] <Seveas> or Asia/Tel_Aviv
[08:53] <JaneW> ping: BenC, doko, dholbach, fabbione, heno, infinty, iwj, Kamion, keybuk, Kinnison, ogra, pitti, seb128, Riddell
[08:53] <dholbach> JaneW: pong
[08:53] <doko> JaneW: you're too early, go away! ;-P
[08:53] <dholbach> JaneW: seb128 might be a bit late, around 5min
[08:53] <Riddell> hi JaneW 
[08:54] <JaneW> hi pitti, dholbach, ogra, doko, Riddell (doko: Matt starts asking from 5 mins before...)
[08:54] <JaneW> dholbach: ok thanks
[08:54] <BenC> JaneW: pong
[08:54] <fabbione> JaneW: i am here and it is 7/6 minutes before :P
[08:54] <dholbach> JaneW: pongpongpongpong :)
[08:54] <JaneW> hi BenC and fabbione 
[08:55] <JaneW> fabbione: yes and I need a few minutes to find out who is here! :P
[08:55] <fabbione> JaneW: tsk.. you are getting slow ;)
[08:55] <JaneW> I would happily be elsewhere otherwise ;)
[08:56] <fabbione> so do I...
[08:56] <fabbione> i wanna play with my new toys
[08:56] <JaneW> heh
[08:57] <seb128> JaneW: pong
[08:57] <seb128> on time!!
[08:57] <seb128> :)
[08:58] <dholbach> seb128: wowhoo! :)
[08:58] <Kamion> here
[08:58] <JaneW> ping: heno (but prolly won't attend), iwj, Kamion, keybuk, Kinnison (not sure if he is attending)
[08:59] <JaneW> hi seb128 
[08:59] <seb128> hey JaneW :)
[08:59] <JaneW> hi Kamion and iwj, and infinity 
[08:59] <JaneW> iwj: 1 min ;)
[08:59] <JaneW> ping:  Kinnison ...?
[08:59] <JaneW> do we need Kinnison here?
[09:00] <JaneW> oh cool
[09:00] <JaneW> hi Kinnison 
[09:00] <Kinnison> Sorry, it was 19:59 and I hadn't switched to here :-)
[09:00] <fabbione> brb
[09:00] <JaneW> np, I start herding everyone from 10 mins before...
[09:00] <JaneW> sometimes we need to phone and wake ppl ;)
[09:00] <Kinnison> :-)
[09:00] <Mithrandir> I'll be around in five to ten minutes
[09:00] <JaneW> Mithrandir: wow
[09:01] <JaneW> so we are only missing mvo, who gave appologies as he has a scheduled team practise at this time
[09:02] <JaneW> everyone else is here
[09:02] <JaneW> ping: mdz
[09:02] <fabbione> re
[09:02] <sivang> Kinnison: wow
[09:02] <JaneW> Kinnison: omg!
[09:02] <JaneW> Kinnison: it better be GOOD
[09:03] <Kinnison> :-)
[09:03] <dholbach> JaneW: HUH???
[09:03] <Seveas> dholbach, you probably sais something bad about her soup
[09:04] <dholbach> JaneW: is that the "torturous things" you were talking about earlier?
[09:05] <Kamion> is mdz at a sprint at the moment? I haven't seen him for a while
[09:05] <iwj> Um.  I have to go on time at 2100, pretty much.  What's the hold-up ?
[09:05] <Kamion> We should start anyway
[09:05] <Kamion> BenC: you're up
[09:05] <BenC> Dapper Kernel Status:
[09:05] <BenC> - Bugs are continuing to be the major workload. Think I'm finally in a workflow to where I can keep up with them.
[09:05] <BenC> - This week IBM initiated our server kernels into the ABAT (Automated Build And Test) system. They will be doing regular build, boot, stress, LTP runs of our -server, -server-bigiron, -amd64-server and -powerpc64-smp (pseries) kernels.
[09:05] <BenC> - Major updates to the kernel include: ipw2200 1.1.1 + patches, should make a lot of people happy. ipw3945 will be included in the next upload.
[09:05] <ogra> Kamion, i think i saw him, saying good morning in his TZ ...
[09:06] <Kamion> BenC: LTP?
[09:06] <BenC> Linux Test Project
[09:06] <BenC> it's just a bonus, not something we really need
[09:06] <Kamion> what sort of feedback do we expect to get from IBM?
[09:06] <fabbione> mdz is at the dentist iirc
[09:06] <Kamion> daily web report of results, something like that?
[09:06] <BenC> they are sending us the entire log of the build, boot and run
[09:07] <JaneW> dholbach: yes :P
[09:07] <BenC> right
[09:07] <sorush21> Seveas: how about adding Palestine too? 
[09:07] <sivang> BenC: will they test it on p5 eServer machines?
[09:07] <Seveas> sorush21, there's a meeting - please don't interfere
[09:07] <BenC> sivang: yeah, which is another good thing, since we don't have any tests of pSeries ppc64
[09:07] <Kamion> ok, thanks Ben
[09:07] <Kamion> dholbach: 
[09:07] <dholbach> icon-mission: basic workflow with art team implemented, needs announce, one feature in icon page missing
[09:07] <dholbach> this week (done): started catching up on bug triage (~2900 -> 1900 unread desktop bugs mails), random fixes
[09:07] <dholbach> this week (todo): more bug triage, bugsquad announce, bug day announce
[09:07] <dholbach> next week: bug day, bug triage, bugsquad meeting (monday, 15 utc)
[09:08] <sivang> dholbach: it's all about bugs :)
[09:09] <dholbach> sivang: momentarily yes, new gnome in 3 weeks or something - i really hope the bug squad launch will have success
[09:09] <dholbach> there are a lot of community members working already
[09:09] <Kamion> How's the bug day participation developing.
[09:09] <Kamion> ?
[09:09] <dholbach> but if we can lal make it more organized, that'd help
[09:09] <sivang> dholbach: yes, it seems growing ever since it started.
[09:09] <dholbach> more lists of stuff people can easily get working on
[09:10] <dholbach> and maybe a workflow for NEW bugs against Ubuntu (unspecified)
[09:10] <seb128> Kamion: that would be nice if we could have some other people than dholbach or me participating from the distro team 
[09:10] <dholbach> people usually ask "where do I start?", if we can make that easier and think of clever ways together that'd be nice
[09:10] <infinity> I've shown up on a couple of bug days, but there isn't much activity during my timezone (nor much excitement without dholbach around hugging everyone)
[09:10] <dholbach> i'll send the announce for the bug squad meeting tomorrow
[09:11] <Kamion> seb128: I agree. mdz's promised dedicated time for some people to spend on bug-fixing during the six-week dapper extension, so some of that should be spent in bug days
[09:11] <Kamion> (I think)
[09:11] <seb128> infinity: what I do is comment on some interesting bugs I triage on the chan, that gives some "activity" to the chan
[09:11] <seb128> and motivate some people
[09:11] <Kamion> good idea
[09:11] <seb128> Kamion: ok, nice
[09:11] <pitti> apart from the db2 packaging, I'm solely on bug fixing anyway, so I might be able to help out a bit, too
[09:11] <Kamion> ok, let's keep moving
[09:11] <Kamion> doko: 
[09:11] <doko> - toolchain-roadmap: java problems on hppa fixed, glibc could use a patch comparision (unstable vs. dapper, hint, hint jbailey)
[09:11] <doko> - toolchain-roadmap-ng: blocked
[09:11] <doko> - openoffice.org: sprint notes at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016568.html, packaging fixes, splitting help pot files, new locale. outstanding: two crashes (atk is currently addressed upstream)
[09:11] <doko> - other: working on bugs (OOo, assigned, java, started python), finally eclipse-pydev!, building eclipse on sparc, tracking ttf-dejavu font changes, everything else I forgot
[09:12] <Kamion> JaneW: can you make a note for doko and jbailey to have talked to each other about glibc patches before next week?
[09:12] <fabbione> doko: if it is something specific send it to me
[09:12] <JaneW> Kamion: sure
[09:12] <fabbione> it seems i am cool at signing glibc uploads :)
[09:13] <doko> fabbione: no, but if you like to debug 45 ant build files ...
[09:13] <fabbione> doko: kthxno
[09:13] <Mithrandir> ok, present
[09:13] <Kamion> thanks Matthias
[09:13] <Kamion> fabbione: 
[09:13] <fabbione> * server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install. No other progresses.
[09:13] <fabbione> * ubuntu-cluster: Waiting ocfs2-tools release for new userland to sync with the kernel that will allow (finally) full desync later. Release is taking a bit longer. Today I received a SAN to use for cluster testing. Somebody please send/donate a portable nuclear power plant and a set of ear plugs.
[09:13] <fabbione> * last week: Tons of X bug fixing/triage/headackes/larting/bashing/killing/... and a bit of sparc bug fixing. Got around the first step of hw upgrade at the office. Added a SUN T2000 to the machine collection.
[09:13] <fabbione> * next week: complete hw upgrade at the office, bug fixing.
[09:13] <fabbione> * NOTE: my LP Karma is over 43000!!!
[09:13] <pitti> fabbione: 117000 here :)
[09:13] <dholbach> fabbione: haha!
[09:14] <ogra> lol
[09:14] <dholbach> guys, ask seb128 how much he has!
[09:14] <pitti> fabbione: *cockroach*!
[09:14] <fabbione> pitti: ehhe
[09:14] <ogra> fabbione, Karma:  82207
[09:14] <ogra> ;P
[09:14] <fabbione> next week i will take all you over :)
[09:14] <sorush21> bugs are boaring
[09:14] <Kamion> fabbione: I should be able to get to -server kernel installation sometime pre-beta, but remind me if it looks like I've forgotten
[09:14] <seb128> dholbach: young padawan :p
[09:14] <fabbione> Kamion: ok thanks, will do
[09:15] <Kamion> fabbione: do you think we'll be in shape on X bugs by beta, or do we need more effort there?
[09:16] <fabbione> Kamion: i did pass over 12% of the bugs in the last 2 days...
[09:16] <fabbione> Kamion: help in triaging them will be useful
[09:16] <fabbione> at least today we got rid of at least 40 ATI bugs, 
[09:16] <fabbione> but thanks to LP i can't batch processing them
[09:16] <Kamion> I noticed; I'll see if that fixes my issues
[09:16] <fabbione> so i am in the process of writing a small script to do that while somebody fixes LP
[09:16] <Kamion> fabbione: you may be able to use the e-mail interface for that, not that I can ever remember how to close bugs by e-mail myself
[09:16] <Mithrandir> seb and I are tag-teaming on the xkb stuff, that works quite well.
[09:17] <fabbione> Kamion: it's not just closing..
[09:17] <fabbione> Kamion: i need to add comments and ask feedback
[09:17] <fabbione> Kamion: too many changes to be sure what is exactly fixed
[09:17] <fabbione> Kamion: but we have full upstream support for that driver now.
[09:17] <Kamion> echo comment | mail xxxxx@bugs.launchpad.net yyyyy@bugs.launchpad.net ... should work
[09:18] <infinity> Yeah, comments are easy.  Don't need to sign those.
[09:18] <infinity> Actions are a pain.
[09:18] <fabbione> Kamion: yes.. but there is no easy way to query LP to know what is xxxxx and yyyyy
[09:18] <Kamion> true
[09:18] <Kamion> ok, thanks Fabio
[09:18] <fabbione> and as infinity said.. actions are a pain
[09:18] <Kamion> infinity: your turn
[09:18] <fabbione> but i am discussing with LP guys alerayd
[09:18] <infinity> last week buildd: had some productive sessions with cprov, where nearly a dozen irritating bugs were nailed in the buildd code, brought hppa completely up-to-date, chased more build failures.
[09:18] <infinity> last week distro: uploaded a mess of packages to resolve FTBFS issues, did some new upstream merges, started hammering away at the initramfs-tools bug list.
[09:19] <infinity> next week buildd: keep an eye on buildability and installability of main, tweak some more bugs in the buildd slave code that I can do without cprov's assistance, and start filing bugs on failures in universe.
[09:19] <infinity> next week distro: more bug triaging and fixing in initramfs-tools, and (hopefully) a UVF exception and mass rebuild for a new MySQL that (sadly) broke ABI upstream, plus whatever else I have time for.
[09:19] <infinity> GENERAL NOTE: You may all have noticed a flurry of uploads from me in the last week to deal with build failures.  Some of you (hi mvo) may prefer if I push those fixes directly to you.  If I step on toes, please let me know.
[09:19] <pitti> fabbione: I increasingly like +packagebugs, I find it pretty helpful for bug housekeeping
[09:19] <Kamion> thanks for the hppa work; hppa is back in anastacia now, and apparently has caused no issues thereby
[09:19] <infinity> Kamion: Excellent.
[09:19] <fabbione> pitti: -> #u-d
[09:20] <Kamion> main is more installable than it's been at any point in the last couple of months
[09:20] <infinity> Kamion: And less out of date too.  Yay.
[09:20] <Kamion> all of the issues in dapper_probs are either ASBA or NBS packages
[09:20] <Kamion> (all-superseded-by-any, not-built-from-source)
[09:20] <infinity> My goal is to keep it that way, since having it installable but half out of date isn't terribly representative of what we want to ship.
[09:20] <doko> mvo in vacation?
[09:21] <Kamion> doko: scheduled hockey training
[09:21] <dholbach> doko: <JaneW> so we are only missing mvo, who gave appologies as he has a scheduled team practise at this time
[09:21] <Kamion> iwj: your turn
[09:21] <iwj> DefaultApplicationsFirefox: Reverted `you have chosen to open ...' before I went away.  No complaints from that.  So I think we can call this goal complete.
[09:21] <iwj> Firefox maintenance: Thanks to mvo, seb128, doko, fabbione for stuff while I was away.  I'll do an upload tonight (urgh, it's still building, again) or tomorrow which should fix a few things I'm aware of, provide -dbg package, etc.
[09:21] <iwj> AutomatedTesting: A few discussions with Xen people but otherwise no real progress so far this week.
[09:21] <iwj> DeveloperDocumentation: no progress to report.
[09:21] <iwj> Bugfixing: managed to get around to gs-gpl ia64 init.ps problem; very mysterious but now gone it seems.  Will look at other gs bugs if I get a chance tomorrow.
[09:21] <dholbach> Kamion: soccer :)
[09:21] <JaneW> hi have mvo's report
[09:21] <iwj> Bugfixing: are we likely to get any movement on Malone ?  Strange email command parsing, bizarre formatting of bug messages on Malone web UI, inadequate search options, email header mangling, etc.
[09:22] <iwj> Email/lists: caught up (it was that or do three weeks in one go later).
[09:22] <iwj> Email: I'm getting _lots_ of spam via my Ubuntu addresses.  Is Anything being Done ?
[09:22] <iwj> Last week and next week: on holiday.
[09:22] <doko> iwj: but you're not having vacation tomorrow after the upload? ;-P
[09:22] <iwj> I'm afraid I am.  But my last upload just before vacation was OK :-).
[09:22] <Riddell> ubuntu addresses are unfiltered I thought
[09:22] <fabbione> iwj: all the malone issues have been raised again today by me
[09:23] <Kamion> iwj: was your visit to the Launchpad team last week? if so, how did that go?
[09:23] <seb128> iwj: I didn't send a debdiff for my changes but they are documented to the changelog and trivials, anyway let me now if you want the diff :)
[09:23] <iwj> Kamion: No, that was going to be this week.  But no-one sent me any opinions so I decided not to bother.
[09:23] <Kamion> I see, oh dear
[09:24] <iwj> It didn't seem sensible for me to go to London just so I could rant at LP people about what I personally wanted.
[09:24] <Kamion> nostra culpa
[09:24] <iwj> seb128: Thanks, NP.  I have a daily snapshot of the archive so I can get debdiffs easily for the past month ...
[09:25] <seb128> iwj: k
[09:25] <JaneW> next?
[09:25] <Kamion> on spam, I doubt anyone in this meeting can answer; you will need to talk to the admin team, if you haven't already. I believe some central spam filtering of some kind has been done for those who read their mail by IMAP from the datacentre, but I'm not sure about that.
[09:26] <Kamion> I'm next, one second
[09:26] <iwj> I'd be quite happy to slurp by IMAP if that would help :-).
[09:26] <JaneW> tick
[09:26] <JaneW> tock
[09:26] <Kamion> I'm finding (with Soyuz) that picking the issues with highest priority and escalating them in small chunks with descriptions of why they're blocking work is helpful, but you have to be rather careful with that approach as it becomes ineffective if overused :-)
[09:27] <Kamion> I understand that mdz's offer to harass on issues affecting the distro team if notified of bug numbers etc. stands
[09:27] <Kamion> anyhow, my turn
[09:27] <Kamion> ue-gnome-ui: Daniel did the breadcrumbs rearrangement; yay.
[09:27] <Kamion> ubuntu-express: We pretty much have internationalisation now, apart from a few glitchy strings. The POT file is in Rosetta and is being translated.
[09:27] <Kamion> ue-partitioning-tool: Various gparted bugs fixed, thanks to Daniel. Landed and integrated Fabio's disk selector.
[09:27] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-base-system: Keymap page done. Really just apt-setup to go here now.
[09:27] <Kamion> misc: Looked into Intel Mac CD images and experimented a bit via mjg59; we think we need HFS+ support in mkisofs to get this working (it already has HFS support, so this should be a smallish step). Worked with Carlos to get aggregated installer translations into Rosetta. Promoted most of Xubuntu to main. Out of date on UVF exception requests; sorry, will try to catch up there. Almost entirely up-to-date on other archi
[09:27] <Kamion> next-week: Timezone->country->locale inferring. Finally sort out network configuration. Figure out what's up with the bogus copying time.
[09:28] <Mithrandir> Kamion: keymap's not really applied to the installed system, though.
[09:28] <Mithrandir> it's just applied to the running system.
[09:28] <Kamion> Mithrandir: true, I noticed that, but also looks trivial to do
[09:28] <Kamion> doing it in the running system and having the UI was the hard bit
[09:28] <iwj> Kamion: bugs> Right, thanks.
[09:28] <Mithrandir> Kamion: sure, just wanting to note it.  It's not hard.
[09:28] <Kamion> thanks for that
[09:28] <pitti> Kamion: what's the status of updated breezy CDs?
[09:29] <Kamion> pitti: no real progress on that yet except that I have all the patches ready; I'll put aside some time over the next week to assemble an image with all of that together and do some testing before uploading anything
[09:29] <Kamion> obviously I don't want to upload before being able to test the full assembly
[09:30] <Kamion> so add that to my next-week, I guess
[09:30] <pitti> ah, thanks
[09:30] <ogra> oh, that means kubuntu and edubuntu as well i guess
[09:30] <Kamion> ogra: I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess it does
[09:30] <ogra> for edubuntu it makes most sense though ...
[09:31] <Kamion> I'll let you and Riddell know when we have something more concrete to look at. I don't expect many (any) flavour-specific problems.
[09:31] <Kamion> well, it's worth testing one of them to make sure preseeding still works
[09:31] <ogra> i'd be happy if the ltsp fix from breezy-updates could go in
[09:32] <Kamion> I've only been planning breezy + breezy-security; that is much safer
[09:32] <Kamion> and more consistent with being in a USN
[09:32] <Kamion> but I suppose we can audit the set of breezy-updates changes involved
[09:32] <ogra> hmm, k ...
[09:32] <Kamion> let's talk about that closer to the time
[09:32] <ogra> yep
[09:32] <Kamion> Keybuk: 
[09:32] <Keybuk> udev - many changes to the way we do root filesystem mounting this week; the new stuff is rather more streamlined and means we can do mount-by-uuid (ProbeForRootFilesystem) on everything except evms, LVM and md/RAID now.
[09:32] <Keybuk> network-manager - been going through NM 0.6 and it's new dependencies, using the community contributions where possible.  both dependencies are in the archive now, and approved for main by pitti (not going to seed them as n-m will drag them in automatically).  should get n-m in before I go away.
[09:32] <Keybuk> wpa_supplicant - have further changes I want to make to it, will involve syncing with Debian with a UVF exception.  makse it integrate properly with ifupdown with a process-per-interface and config from /e/n/i rather than running as a daemon all the time. 
[09:32] <Keybuk> other: finished off multi-arch report (at least, no further comments from mdz on it).  still not received reply to request to be added to ftp admin group.  had not much time for installer UI yet, sorry Kamion, nm taking a bit longer to work out amongst other interruptions.
[09:33] <Keybuk> (uh, wpa is in pitti's queue)
[09:33] <Kamion> Keybuk: we aren't actually changing to mount-by-uuid for the dapper installer though, right?
[09:33] <Kamion> (as discussed before)
[09:33] <Keybuk> well, I kinda think we should now
[09:33] <Keybuk> given dapper+1 is likely to ship with no ide subsystem :)
[09:33] <Kamion> argh
[09:33] <Keybuk> it'd make the transition rather smoother
[09:33] <Keybuk> I guess it makes no real difference, we still have to transition for everyone who installed pre-uuid
[09:34] <Kamion> as I said in #ubuntu-devel, I think the transition should be in our face, otherwise we'll forget about the issues for breezy upgraders
[09:34] <Riddell> Keybuk: when do you go away?
[09:34] <Mithrandir> can we discuss that later?  I suspect it'll take more time to discuss through than we have in this meeting?
[09:34] <Kamion> Mithrandir: yep
[09:34] <Mithrandir> here, immediately after the meeting, if that's fine?
[09:34] <Keybuk> Riddell: am away mon-weds next week
[09:35] <Kamion> Keybuk: if you could mail me the RT number for the ftpadmin request, that would be good, I think I only have a CC of the original mail
[09:35] <Keybuk> Kamion: 4217
[09:35] <Kamion> Mithrandir: if you don't mind doing it without me - otherwise tomorrow
[09:35] <Kamion> Keybuk: thanks
[09:35] <Mithrandir> Kamion: tomorrow then.  I would at least like to have you in on it.
[09:35] <Kamion> Kinnison: 
[09:35] <Kinnison> gnome-power-manager (PowerManagementInterface): Been through ca. 100 bugmails learning the new state of the world post-lp-sprint. Begun the work to get 2.14.0 (plus some CVS patches) into the archive.
[09:36] <Kinnison> gparted: Worked through the installer-mode patch to ensure all dialogs are transient on the plug if appropriate
[09:36] <Kinnison> metacity: Added a patch to enure transience on a non-toplevel works. This is a workaround in the sense that transience is meant to always be on a toplevel, but this is by far and away the easiest place to add this code.
[09:36] <Kinnison> vim: re-enabled the vim-ruby package as per bug 36050
[09:36] <Kinnison> aspell-sl: Investigated report that the package is uninstallable. Could not reproduce, asked for more info.
[09:36] <Kinnison> launchpad: Fixed bug in binary upload acceptance, continued discussion with the sabdfl about domination in personal package archives.
[09:36] <Kinnison> espresso: replaced breadcrumbs with N-of-M in the GTK UI
[09:36] <Kinnison> tomorrow: Assist in production rollout
[09:36] <Kinnison> otherwise: Continue to do gnome-power-manager work; we are now going to seriously diverge from upstream as upstream is on the road to 2.16. Continue to pick up espresso UI work for Colin. Whatever else falls onto my plate
[09:36] <Kinnison> bugs: Currently I have around 50 bugs I am actively dealing with, most are g-p-m, some are acpid or acpi-support related. This is up on last time due to spending time on gparted and espresso for colin and then having a week on the launchpad sprint. I currently have another 46 bug mails to deal with in my LPBugs folder.
[09:36] <Kamion> the gparted changes seem to be working well now, thanks, that was an awkward blocker
[09:36] <Kinnison> [END] 
[09:36] <Kinnison> You're welcome
[09:36] <Kinnison> (although if I ever see that codebase again, kittens will die)
[09:36] <Riddell> Kinnison: N-of-M?
[09:37] <Mithrandir> Riddell: step X of Y
[09:37] <Riddell> right
[09:37] <Mithrandir> changing the current breadcrumb path to just a "step X of Y"
[09:37] <Kamion> Riddell: moving from the "Welcome > Language > Location > Keyboard > blah" across the top to a better UI
[09:37] <dholbach> Kinnison: the patch has to go upstream for dapper+1 :)
[09:37] <Kamion> that doesn't look like you can click on it
[09:37] <Kinnison> dholbach: merry christmas
[09:38] <Kamion> Mithrandir: 
[09:38] <Mithrandir> misc: keyboard handling.  Korean keyboards almost work out of the box now (I know what the fix is), espresso keyboard handling mostly works (as in, works for me, and Colin fixed a few of my bugs today).  XKB is getting there, I'm working a bit with upstream on getting us as good support for languages such as Kurdish.  seb's also been excellent helping out here.
[09:38] <Mithrandir> next week: I'm planning on releasing flight-5 on Wednesday, apart from that, espresso hacking, a bit depending on what Colin has, hopefully get popcon running, move towards bug triage mode rather than development mode.
[09:38] <Mithrandir> blocked: no
[09:38] <infinity> Mithrandir: Flight-6, I hope.
[09:39] <Mithrandir> also, I don't know if it's a good thing when you're getting around to being comfortable hacking xkeyboard-config or not.
[09:39] <Mithrandir> uh, flight-6, obviously.
[09:39] <Mithrandir> infinity: thanks
[09:39] <doko> Mithrandir, Kamion: what about tracking CD sizes?
[09:39] <infinity> (Would be easier to just release Flight-5 again..)
[09:39] <ogra> would be hard to roll back the archive to flight 5 :)
[09:39] <Kamion> doko: what about it?
[09:39] <Mithrandir> doko: I follow it with a bit of attention, but not each day; why?
[09:39] <doko> Kamion: how can I influence the size of daily builds?
[09:40] <ogra> lool
[09:40] <fabbione> doko: sending more |Viagra to little?
[09:40] <pitti> replace ooo with ed? :-P
[09:40] <Kamion> er - that's kind of a complicated question and I'm not sure where you're coming from, -> #ubuntu-devel perhaps
[09:40] <ogra> doko, thats what i'm asking myself every day after waking up
[09:40] <Mithrandir> doko: strip down the size of OOo. :-)
[09:40] <doko> Mithrandir: but it would be nice not to have *only* the flight CD's burnable
[09:40] <Mithrandir> doko: today's cds for instance are just fine
[09:41] <doko> ok, let's move that to -devel
[09:41] <JaneW> ready for mvo's report?
[09:41] <Kamion> doko: the CD sizes have been officially increased to 700MB
[09:41] <Mithrandir> doko: so are yesterdays, the day before that and so on.
[09:41] <Kamion> if you have media smaller than that, upgrade
[09:41] <Kamion> this was an mdz/sabdfl? decision
[09:41] <Kamion> JaneW: yes please
[09:41] <JaneW> ogra: I hope that helps you (unless you work on that anyway...?)
[09:41] <JaneW> Did:
[09:41] <JaneW> - Friday: last day of the l10n sprint (very successful sprint IMHO)
[09:41] <JaneW> - language-selector:
[09:41] <JaneW>  * qt port, split package, added fontconfig-voodoo, added locale
[09:41] <JaneW>  specific bits for ja_JP, ko_KR, zh_{CN,TW,HK,SG}
[09:41] <JaneW> - catchup from the sprint for gnome-app-install, synaptic, apt,
[09:42] <JaneW>  python-apt, update-manager, software-properties, dist-upgrader
[09:42] <JaneW> - added ttf-sil-{charis, dolous} to universe
[09:42] <JaneW> - evalued dist-upgrade tool feedback (thing look good so far, but
[09:42] <doko> Kamion: sorry, MiB or MB?
[09:42] <Kamion> JaneW: Edubuntu has always been 700MB, sorry, makes no difference there
[09:42] <JaneW>  still some missing bits like a bug with debconf/gnome and missing
[09:42] <JaneW>  recovery on dpkg failures)
[09:42] <JaneW> - gnome-app-install: improved the menu-data extractor, added some more
[09:42] <ogra> JaneW, we use 700 since breezy
[09:42] <JaneW>  pseudo dekstop files 
[09:42] <JaneW> - made hwdb translatable (including the xml in it)
[09:42] <Kamion> doko: roughly MiB, but I abhor that term
[09:42] <JaneW> - bugtriage, mail backlog
[09:42] <JaneW> Will do:
[09:42] <JaneW> - wait for the auto-dist-upgrade test chroot setup
[09:42] <JaneW> - get the upgrade tool into the archive (finally!)
[09:42] <JaneW> - add the missing bits to the dist-upgrade tool
[09:42] <JaneW> - more bugtriage, catchup
[09:42] <JaneW> Kamion: that's what I thought *dang*
[09:43] <Kamion> dist-upgrade tool backportage to breezy is blocked on a soyuz bug (filed)
[09:43] <Kamion> JaneW: can you make a note for mvo to talk to me about the debconf/gnome thing, if I don't already have mail about it?
[09:44] <ogra> my turn ? 
[09:44] <JaneW> Kamion: will do
[09:44] <Kamion> right, usual mvo week of going over almost our entire high-level package management system then :)
[09:44] <Kamion> ogra: go
[09:44] <ogra> * general: reworked the edubuntu-artwork package completely to not depend on ubuntu-artwork anymore (gains ~5MB on the edubuntu CD), wrote a bunch of ltsp howtos for edubuntu-docs, general poking on screensaver bugs, trying to find out why it sometimes ignores user input, fiddling with the default visual to catch the GL flickering. no work on ltsp-client-builder.udeb yet. some hwdb stuff for mark. fiddled with reding from /dev/vcs3 for ltsp-client
[09:44] <ogra> -builder.
[09:44] <ogra> next-week: finishing minor stuff in edubuntu-artwork, continuing the screensaver odd-ysee, ltsp-client-builder.udeb work, flight 6 preparation.
[09:45] <ogra> seb128, can i get the gdm edubuntu-artwork dependency fix before flight 6 ? (i'm fine with doing it myself if thats ok for you)
[09:46] <seb128> ogra: oh sure, will do tomorrow
[09:46] <ogra> thanks :)
[09:46] <seb128> np
[09:46] <seb128> or after dinner
[09:46] <ogra> thats fine as well ...
[09:47] <ogra> just before flight 6 :)
[09:47] <Kamion> thanks Oliver
[09:47] <Kamion> pitti: 
[09:47] <pitti> reducing-duplication:
[09:47] <pitti>  * DONE: got rid of libgd, libmpeg3, gnutls11 (finally!!1!)
[09:47] <pitti>  * PLAN: discuss libsqlite0 demotion with infinity (php5-sqlite is the only package that needs to be changed)
[09:47] <pitti>  * evaluated getting rid of gtk+1.2, but quite many packages still use it, so we have to live with it, unless somebody spends a fair amount of time on that
[09:47] <pitti> DB2 packaging:
[09:47] <pitti>  * DONE:
[09:47] <pitti>    - made myself familiar with the basic installation procedure
[09:47] <pitti>    - dissected the 370 MB tarball into logical chunks suitable for packages
[09:47] <pitti>    - built first round of debs out of it: installation works and produces an usable default instance, so that you can immediately start working
[09:47] <pitti>  * TODO:
[09:47] <pitti>    - add proper package descriptions
[09:47] <pitti>    - maybe debconf'ify (for port configuration and whether to start DAS (administration server))
[09:47] <pitti>    - integrate DAS startup/shutdown
[09:47] <pitti>    - build a Java SDK deb from the bundled IBM JDK and integrate the GUI stuff to work OOTB
[09:48] <pitti>    - build l10n packages
[09:48] <pitti> general stuff done this week: security updates, lots of bug triage and fixing, cleaned up anastacia output, espresso testing
[09:48] <pitti> plan for next week: bugs, bugs, bugs, and more DB2 packaging (depending on how much mdz wants me to work on that)
[09:48] <Kamion> pitti: where are the DB2 packages going to go?
[09:48] <pitti> bug backlog: I slowly get it under control, but still a lot to catch up with
[09:48] <pitti> Kamion: in our 'commercial' repo
[09:48] <Kamion> thanks for the continued espresso testing BTW, it's been very valuable
[09:48] <seb128> pitti: curious, what still use gtk1.2 (you mean to main right?)?
[09:48] <pitti> but I didn't make any deeper inquiries about that
[09:48] <sivang> pitti: yey :)
[09:48] <pitti> Kamion: I hope I don't annoy you too much with the bugs :) but I seem to be a good test case :)
[09:48] <Mithrandir> seb128: xmms, evms
[09:49] <doko> seb128: orbit1?
[09:49] <pitti> also, smpeg
[09:49] <iwj> `commercial' repo> ITYM `proprietary'.  HTH.
[09:49] <Kamion> seb128: gtkglarea gutenprint imlib libdv libiodbc2 smpeg xmms
[09:49] <Kamion> (build-deps)
[09:49] <sivang> pitti: let me know when you work about bullet 4 of the DB2 items, I'd be interested to continue helping and providing inpuit :)
[09:49] <Kamion> pitti: no no, don't stop, they're good
[09:49] <pitti> sivang: thanks
[09:49] <pitti> Kamion: (just kidding)
[09:49] <Kamion> pitti: (IOW, "hurt me harder")
[09:49] <seb128> Mithrandir: I thought Martin patched evms, and xmms ... just move it to universe
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: also, gtkglarea, gutenprint, imlib, libdv, libiodbc2, smpeg
[09:50] <seb128> anyway, not a topic for now
[09:50] <Mithrandir> seb128: indeed he did.
[09:50] <Mithrandir> seb128: I didn't know if he actually applied the patch he was pointed to or not.
[09:50] <Kamion> right, time marches on
[09:50] <Kamion> Riddell: 
[09:50] <pitti> Mithrandir: yes, I did
[09:50] <Riddell> this week:
[09:50] <Riddell>  KDE 3.5.2 packaging and testing
[09:50] <Riddell>  also: CD size checking, reviewing knetworkmanager, checking new guidance release
[09:50] <seb128> pitti: I had a look on gutenprint during distro sprint, seems to be a configure bog, there is gtk1 and gtk2 code and it builds both or something like that
[09:50] <Riddell> next week:
[09:50] <Riddell>  3.5.2 upload if approved, lots of kubuntu espresso, flight 6
[09:51] <doko> Riddell: is OOo still in Kubuntu?
[09:51] <infinity> Riddell: A big sloppy kiss if you make kdenetwork build.  Honest.
[09:51] <Riddell> doko: yes
[09:51] <Kamion> Riddell: glad to hear it on espresso, I'd really like to be getting merges more frequently than once every three weeks; is there anyone else on the kubuntu team who might be able to help?
[09:51] <Kamion> because keeping it working is slowing me down in places
[09:51] <doko> Riddell: please could you help/have a look at the OOo/KDE specific bugs?
[09:52] <Riddell> infinity: on my todo list for tonight or tomorrow morning
[09:52] <Riddell> Kamion: I'm trying to presuade the spanish guys to not re-write it and help with the current version
[09:52] <Riddell> Kamion: and with 3.5.2 out of the way I expect merges to happen much more often
[09:53] <Kamion> ok, thanks
[09:53] <Kamion> if it helps, just tell the Spanish people that I won't merge a total rewrite
[09:53] <Riddell> yep
[09:53] <Kamion> seb128: 
[09:53] <seb128> this week: bug day (some people active on IRC participated, which is nice but we lacked participation of some distro team people though), some GNOMish updated, replied to comments and triaged a pile of desktop bug, forwarded a bunch of them upstream, debugged some of them, patches a bunch of packages (desktop issues fixing)
[09:53] <seb128> next week: bug triage, forwarding, squashing, patching
[09:55] <dholbach> seb128 has Karma: 437709
[09:55] <dholbach> just for the record :)
[09:55] <seb128> dholbach: launchpad is on crac if you want my opinion :p
[09:55] <Mithrandir> seb is teh man.
[09:55] <dholbach> seb128: man, you deserve it!
[09:55] <doko> dholbach: come on, how much did you collect?
[09:55] <pitti> 'An integer overflow was detected in the LP Karma module... seb128 coudl exploit it by...'
[09:55] <fabbione> pitti: LOL
[09:56] <dholbach> doko: 170403 not that much :)
[09:56] <pitti> (I hope they are using 64 bit for seb)
[09:56] <doko> we should measure MegaKarma
[09:56] <pitti> seb128: no, no, let's pentest :)
[09:56] <Kinnison> the karma events are being rebalanced, expect the numbers to shift dramatically over time until we settle
[09:56] <Keybuk> how come everyone has more karma than me? :'(
[09:56] <seb128> hann
[09:57] <infinity> Keybuk: I probably have less, but that's only because I haven't committed my "buildd actions" karma patches yet. ;)
[09:57] <ogra> Keybuk, we know how to cheat LP, you dont :P
[09:57] <dholbach> bah!
[09:57] <Kinnison> Keybuk: s'cos you're "harmless"
[09:57] <Kamion> sivang: anything you want to add?
[09:57] <sivang> If I may add, HomeUserBackup is very close to finishing now (approx 2-3 days away if my gf let me work during the weekend)
[09:58] <sivang> this will include backing up to CD,
[09:58] <sivang> CDs
[09:58] <sivang> and restoring 
[09:58] <Kamion> sivang: upload early, upload often :-)
[09:58] <Kamion> (to universe)
[09:58] <sivang> Kamion: yes, I need someone responsive to review and sponser the upload :)
[09:58] <Kamion> any volunteers?
[09:58] <sivang> I'd like to to go under review of someone from distro team for that matter
[09:58] <sivang> since it's going to be new software and etc
[09:58] <Kamion> if anyone wants to volunteer for that, it would be useful; please talk to sivang, probably on #ubuntu-devel
[09:59] <Kamion> ok, any other business in the remaining minute or so?
[09:59] <infinity> Kamion: Are you playing mdz right now?
[09:59] <sivang> infinity: he sure is :)
[09:59] <Kamion> infinity: for the duration of this meeting, I guess
[09:59] <Keybuk> Kamion: could you quickly review my e-mail to you and give me a "no" or "maybe" ? :p
[09:59] <infinity> Kamion: If so, feel the urge to tell me it's a-okay to crash for the next 8 hours, since I just worked for the last 24? :)
[09:59] <Kamion> Keybuk: sure, like I say I'm behind on UVF requests, will get to yours and fabbione's this evening
[09:59] <Keybuk> infinity: sleep when dead
[10:00] <Kamion> infinity: I think you'd better :P
[10:00] <Keybuk> Kamion: ah, I thought for some reason you were out this evening
[10:00] <fabbione> Kamion: no hurry.. tomorrow is fine
[10:00] <Kinnison> infinity: as an addendum to keybuk's comment, please don't die
[10:00] <Keybuk> not until release, anyway
[10:00] <pitti> Keybuk: after release is before the release :)
[10:00] <infinity> How Zen...
[10:01] <sivang> heh
[10:01] <Kamion> yes, I assume everyone's seen the dapper delay announcement
[10:01] <ogra> bah, pitti is on soccer already ...
[10:01] <Kamion> if not, why are you not on ubuntu-announce? :-)
[10:01] <Keybuk> Kamion: no?  we're delaying dapper?
[10:01] <sivang> ogra: LOL
[10:01] <pitti> ogra: hm?
[10:01] <infinity> Kamion: What's "dapper"?
[10:01] <ogra> pitti, "nach dem spiel is vor dem spiel ?"
[10:01] <Kamion> infinity: the thing you have our permission to die after
[10:02] <pitti> ogra: I couldn't care less about football
[10:02] <dholbach> ok guys, I need to run
[10:02] <Kamion> ok, time's more than up
[10:02] <infinity> Kamion: Check.
[10:02] <Kamion> adjourned
[10:02] <dholbach> Have a nice evening and thanks Kamion
[10:02] <Kamion> thanks all
[10:02] <Kinnison> night all
[10:02] <ogra> thanks Kamion 
[10:02] <sivang> thanks all, please ping me for the spnsership of upload :-)
[10:02] <pitti> thanks everyone
[10:02] <seb128> thank you Kamion
[10:02] <iwj> sivang: If you can't find another reviewer, ask me, but I'm away next week.
[10:03] <JaneW> thanks all
[10:03] <iwj> So if you need me, send me email.  iwj@ubuntu.com.
[10:03] <sivang> iwj: thanks Ian, I appriciate it :-)
[10:03] <pitti> sivang: I'll send you nitpicks about the packaging
[10:04] <iwj> Right, must go or I'll have no dinner.
[10:04] <iwj> Thanks for keeping quick, everyone :-).
[10:04] <iwj> Goodnight.