[12:06] <hub> has lazarus been packaged for ubuntu?
[12:07] <LaserJock> packages.ubuntu.com didn't give me anything
[12:08] <hub> ah wait
[12:08] <hub> we need freepascal first
[12:08] <hub> LaserJock: I did and ap-tget search before asking :-)
[12:08] <hub> apt-cache search actually
[12:09] <allee> stupid question: which tool uses debian/watch?
[12:10] <allee> ah, uscan
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[12:24] <lifeless> ajmitch: I have pornview working. its two things.
[12:25] <lifeless> ajmitch: a trivial patch to src/browser.c
[12:25] <lifeless> ajmitch: and xines opengl plugin is fuxxxored
[12:25] <lifeless> but I'm so close to sleep. I'll update the bug report tomorrow
[12:26] <lifeless> hmm, maybe xine can be ignored. seems good
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[01:46] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:47] <Erlang> j0
[01:47] <crimsun> 'lo bddebian, Erlang
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[01:56] <bddebian> Heya crimsun, Erlang
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[02:01] <Erlang> my Launchpad karma suddenly went throught the roof.  I don't get it.
[02:01] <crimsun> click the Karma url on the right side
[02:02] <bddebian> Stop randomly closing all those bugs ;-)
[02:02] <crimsun> it enumerates all the contributions to your boost
[02:02] <Erlang> it was 94 just a few days ago and now it's 3351.
[02:02] <crimsun> yep, bug triaging is useful.
[02:02] <bddebian> whoa
[02:03] <crimsun> mine went from a couple thousand to over 105k
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[02:05] <Erlang> crimsun: oh man 105685...
[02:08] <bddebian> Holy cow
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[02:21] <Erlang> DSA?
[02:22] <crimsun> http://www.us.debian.org/security/
[02:22] <Erlang> oh that.
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[03:37] <Lathiat> Anyone know a guide to customize a breezy install witha  custom kernel?
[03:37] <Lathiat> (need a newer kernel for new sata driver)
[03:37] <Lathiat> i tried following the debian one for a debian cd and after a few hours gave up
[03:37] <Lathiat> finally got it to produce an iso but wouldnt boot, heh (taht was on sarge)
[03:41] <Se7h> rebuild the kernel
[03:41] <Se7h> but this isnt actaly the channel to ask it
[03:41] <hub> Lathiat: would it work with dapper?
[03:42] <Lathiat> oh i know how to rebuild the kernel, i need to know how to cram that into d-i :)
[03:42] <Lathiat> hub: yes, but i need to run breezy
[03:43] <Lathiat> its a server going into production :)
[03:45] <Lathiat> might just debootstrap it from a dapper live cd
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[03:51] <robertj> q. are there any thoughts on reverting a game to the latest stable revision since the packaged development version is already out of date?
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[03:53] <robertj> Wesnoth's master server won't let you log in unless you have 1.1.2 and 1.1.1 is in dapper, and it will not stabalize before dapper
[03:56] <Lathiat> robertj: so,
[03:56] <Lathiat> robertj: is 1.1.2 in debian?
[03:57] <robertj> Lathiat: I dunno, but why not ship 1.0.2 which is stable & still plays better?
[03:58] <robertj> Lathiat: either way the dev server is not backwards compatible with the stable or other dev releases
[03:58] <robertj> so if dapper ships with a dev release online multiplayer will not work a month after release
[03:58] <robertj> plus single player scenarios are still being rebalanced
[03:59] <Lathiat> i see
[03:59] <Lathiat> thats a bit of a curly situation
[03:59] <robertj> but 1.1.1-3 is debian testing now
[04:00] <robertj> 1.0.2-1ubuntu1 seems like the best choice to me
[04:00] <Lathiat> can u post to the ML and solicit some feedback from others?
[04:00] <Lathiat> what you say does seem sane, tho
[04:00] <robertj> -devel or -motu?
[04:01] <Lathiat> uh, good question
[04:01] <Lathiat> -motu i guess
[04:01] <bddebian> I don't believe you can revert in the archive
[04:01] <Lathiat> bddebian: you can hack it up
[04:02] <Lathiat> its something thats generally avoided
[04:02] <bddebian> Aye
[04:02] <Lathiat> 1.1.1+revertedto+1.0.2
[04:02] <Lathiat> :)
[04:02] <Lathiat> i mean it has the potential to screw up peoples savegames and whatnot too
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[04:02] <robertj> Lathiat: well that's what they get for running dapper eh?
[04:02] <Lathiat> ;p
[04:02] <Lathiat> what was in breezy?
[04:02] <robertj> 1.0-1
[04:03] <minghua> Lathiat, robertj:  I've raised this issue before: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000506.html
[04:03] <bddebian> Yeah, I almost caused a major uproar by throwing wesnoth in breezy
[04:03] <bddebian> It had a depend in main..
[04:04] <Lathiat> eh?
[04:04] <Lathiat> that had to be upgradeD?
[04:06] <robertj> minghua: what do you think about reverting to 1.0.2?
[04:06] <Lathiat> i noticed gtk-gnutella doesnt work either
[04:06] <minghua> robertj: I agree with you that we should ship 1.0.x in dapper
[04:06] <Lathiat> you can pound it into working, but yeh
[04:07] <Lathiat> minghua: i agree too
[04:07] <theCore> does emacs-gtk launch in Dapper now ?
[04:07] <minghua> I am not sure how it should be handled though, 1.1.1+revertedto+1.0.2 is really ugly but probably is also the best we can do
[04:08] <theCore> (I'm doing some bug triage)
[04:09] <theCore> the bug number is 31795
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[04:14] <theCore> nevermind, it works now
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[04:14] <robertj> my post is awaiting moderator approval
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[08:01] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
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[08:04] <minghua> hi Hobbsee
[08:04] <Hobbsee> hi minghua
[08:10] <Mithrandir> hi Hobbsee, minghua
[08:11] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[08:11] <Mithrandir> how's .au today?
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[08:12] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: well, i'm pretty happy, as kubuntu is finally recognising my connection over the command line (but not in knetworkmanager) - but to have some connection at all is pretty good :D
[08:12] <Mithrandir> that's nice, yes.
[08:13] <Mithrandir> you need wpa or something for it?
[08:13] <minghua> hi Mithrandir
[08:13] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: no, i had wpa at home - these networks are completely open.  if you want to browse outside teh uni, you need a username and password
[08:13] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.
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[08:14] <Hobbsee> it wouldnt connect on either linux or windows before, i've got no idea why it's suddenly working now - by all accounts, it's supposed to work out of the box
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[08:14] <Hobbsee> food's overrated
[08:14] <Hobbsee> .
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[08:40] <lifeless> ajmitch: ping
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[08:49] <lifeless> I've added a path to bug 35954
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35954 in pornview "pornview stops responding on quit." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35954
[08:50] <Mez> w00t for pornview
[08:50] <lifeless> could a motu please toss that at the buildds if its considered ok
[08:50] <lifeless> oh meh, wrong bug. bug the patch probably fixes that too
[08:50] <Mez> lifeless, I'll have a look
[08:51] <lifeless> bug 2397 also has the patch and is the bug I meant to put it on
[08:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2397 in pornview "Pornview segfaults at startup" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2397
[08:52] <Mez> lifeless - people are going to bitch bout not having Xine syrely?
[08:52] <lifeless> less than having X go awol.
[08:52] <Mez> lemme have a look at popcon
[08:52] <lifeless> seiously - xine is quite fucked, at least the way pornview uses it. It'll startup a couple of times and then  *boom*, hard lockup, or X crashing madly
[08:53] <lifeless> try it yourself - dont apply that part of the patch.
[08:53] <lifeless> tit may be just me
[08:54] <Mez> lemme just update my pbuilder ;)
[08:54] <lifeless> hmm, someone recommends --without-xine
[08:55] <Mez> lifeless - are you not a MOTU  then ?
[08:55] <lifeless> no, on my TODO list
[08:55] <Mez> lifeless-  --without-xine might be a better idea
[08:56] <lifeless> nah
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[08:56] <lifeless> I've just checked and it does not pickup xine unless its told to
[08:56] <lifeless> ldd /usr/bin/pornview  | grep ine
[08:56] <lifeless>         libXinerama.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0xb794c000)
[08:57] <lifeless> but it won't hurt to be more explicit - just not something to worry about
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[09:15] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[09:16] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee
[09:16] <fabo> dholbach: hi, i replied about wesnoth
[09:16] <verwilst> goodmorning!
[09:16] <fabo> dholbach: contact isaac
[09:17] <verwilst> dholbach, could you maybe upload the pure-ftpd thingy? :$
[09:17] <dholbach> verwilst: i'll have a look
[09:18] <dholbach> fabo: you think you could point him to the thread?
[09:18] <fabo> done -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-March/000592.html
[09:19] <verwilst> dholbach, thanks :) sorry to bother you about it :)
[09:19] <verwilst> but going live with it monday hehe
[09:19] <verwilst> maybe i'll get a little deeper into motu stuffs
[09:21] <dholbach> right
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[09:59] <lifeless> I've put myself up for membership on the april 3rd meeting
[09:59] <lifeless> I hope some of you lot can turn up and say how hlepful I am :)
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[10:16] <siretart> yay :)
[10:19] <Mez> lifeless, if I can I will
[10:19] <lifeless> thanks!
[10:19] <Mez> I should hopefully be able to make it seeing as I'm trying to get the 4th off
[10:20] <Mez> lifeless, not that my opinion matters - you've gotta sweet talk colin matt and Mark ;0
[10:20] <Mez> buy them beer :D
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[11:02] <ajmitch> dholbach: do you know if we have any procedure for getting new packages into universe after FF?
[11:03] <ajmitch> eg an exception process, if it's needed
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[11:04] <dholbach> ajmitch: need to talk to matt about it
[11:04] <dholbach> ajmitch: will do that once he's awake again
[11:04] <ajmitch> ok
[11:05] <ajmitch> mdz's post on sounder last week makes me think that he thinks there's no new package freeze for universe
[11:05] <dholbach> according to the dapper release process there is
[11:05] <ajmitch> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-March/005098.html
[11:05] <ajmitch> I know
[11:05] <dholbach> i read it
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[11:06] <ajmitch> and we've always worked on that belief that it was frozen at FF for NEW packages
[11:06] <ajmitch> if you could clarify it, it'd be great :)
[11:07] <dholbach> yeah, I'd prefer if he sticked to the the strict freeze and made urgent exceptions only, so people would focus on getting old stuff fixed instead of getting new stuff in :)
[11:07] <viviersf> ajmitch, how do i mirror just dapper ?
[11:07] <ajmitch> some exceptions are warranted
[11:07] <ajmitch> viviersf: probably by using debmirror or similar scripts
[11:07] <dholbach> as I said "urgent" :)
[11:08] <viviersf> thx
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[11:08] <ajmitch> heh
[11:08] <ajmitch> hi StevenK
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[11:10] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:10] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'd probably be very lucky to get zope 2.9 in though ;)
[11:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: if you coordinate with doko, ... :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: sure, the package just got uploaded to debian :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> it finally uses python2.4
[11:12] <ajmitch> so I'd need a bunch of UVF exceptions as well for zope-{common,debhelper}
[11:12] <ajmitch> but we'll see what happens..
[11:15] <doko> ajmitch: all the exceptions (except zope2.9) should be in place
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[11:17] <ajmitch> doko: exception for the latest zope-common is done?
[11:17] <ajmitch> that's great
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[11:20] <viviersf> ajmitch, hmmm where does debmirror get info on which repos to mirror
[11:22] <ajmitch> you read the manpage & docs?
[11:22] <ajmitch> it has examples there
[11:22] <viviersf> yar
[11:23] <doko> ajmitch: for the last or not, I'm revisiting this with elmo
[11:23] <ajmitch> -d for distro, -s for section
[11:24] <ajmitch> ok
[11:25] <viviersf> k i found the problem
[11:28] <viviersf> thx ajmitch
[11:30] <lifeless> ajmitch: so I've put myself up for membership - can you come on the 3rd  to the cc meeting ?
[11:30] <ajmitch> lifeless: depends when it is
[11:30] <lifeless> 0900 UTC
[11:31] <ajmitch> should be possible, I think
[11:31] <lifeless> cool
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[12:46] <lucas> /query buxy
[12:46] <lucas> oops
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[01:39] <j^> does anyone know of tapioca <http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net> packages for dapper?
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[03:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:03] <ogra> hey bddebian
[03:03] <bddebian> Hi ogra!
[03:06] <Kyral> Morning
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[03:12] <bddebian> Good morning Kyral
[03:12] <Kyral> mornin
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[05:30] <jtshaw> Does anywhere here use the ACE libraries?
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[07:12] <Tonio_> hello
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[07:40] <LaserJock> hi monzie
[07:41] <monzie> hi LaserJock
[07:42] <monzie> so the motu's must be dead busy fixing bugs
[07:42] <monzie> and heard that the release date got back by six weeks
[07:42] <LaserJock> yeah
=== monzie wishes that this Ubuntu release kicks MS's ass real hard
[07:43] <dholbach> BUG DAY next FRIDAY
[07:43] <LaserJock> well, I thought dapper did that back in about December
[07:43] <dholbach> you can all help out to make it kick ass
[07:43] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
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=== monzie will do all he can  , with his limited ability
[07:44] <LaserJock> dholbach: sweet, these bug days are helping the Science team quite a bit
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[07:44] <dholbach> LaserJock: that's nice to hear
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[07:45] <JohnnyMast> greetz dholbach
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[07:46] <dholbach> hey JohnnyMast
[07:46] <dholbach> monzie: great :)
[07:46] <JohnnyMast> long time no see :)
[07:46] <JohnnyMast> well i saw you but didnt speak
[07:46] <monzie> thanks dholbach, in what way may i be of use to ubuntu community?
[07:47] <crimsun> dholbach has been making gnome desktop ROCK in dapper
[07:47] <JohnnyMast> monzie packing is a nice start
[07:47] <dholbach> monzie: bug triage is a GREAT start
[07:47] <monzie> you mean packaging JohnnyMast?
[07:47] <dholbach> we get a lot of bug reports and most of them are misdirected or need more information
[07:48] <monzie> how do i triage bugs dholbach, if you give me pointers, i will surely helo
[07:48] <monzie> help
[07:48] <ogra> crimsun, right, we would have no desktop and a dead seb128 in dapper without dholbach :)
[07:48] <dholbach> it's easy to ask people, which version they are using, what they were trying to do or random questions from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[07:48] <JohnnyMast> monzie i do
[07:48] <dholbach> or check if the bug was already filed
[07:48] <dholbach> and while doing this you find out where you're good at or learn new stuff
[07:48] <dholbach> I think it'S one of the easiest ways to get involved
=== monzie sucks at packaging, cause if here were good enough, E17 would have made it dapper on time
[07:49] <dholbach> crimsun, ogra: Merci beaucoup, you're flattering me.
[07:49] <LaserJock> ogra: lol, true
[07:49] <ogra> dholbach, hey, fully deserved :)
[07:49] <monzie> sure dholbach, what you say seems suitable for a dumbo like me, how do i go about it?
[07:49] <JohnnyMast> monzie its not that hard there are just some rules to follow e.x the debian/copyright file
[07:49] <dholbach> monzie: ... nahhhh, not dumbo :)
[07:49] <dholbach> you can start by joining #ubuntu-bugs and then start poking at apps you use every day
[07:50] <LaserJock> monzie: look around wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay especially the links at the bottom
[07:50] <JohnnyMast> monzie my pkg made it there so even i could do it
[07:50] <dholbach> and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[07:50] <monzie> ya i know a bit about that JohnnyMast, but E17 from cvs proved a nightmare
[07:51] <JohnnyMast> e17 would be nice
[07:51] <JohnnyMast> but dont do it
[07:51] <JohnnyMast> its nu stable yet is it ?
[07:51] <JohnnyMast> nu == not
[07:51] <monzie> yup it's not stable
[07:51] <JohnnyMast> then you better wait a sec
[07:51] <JohnnyMast> because else you have to update it a lot
[07:52] <JohnnyMast> maybe they do a pre every month so then you have to pack it again every month
[07:52] <LaserJock> monzie: unfortunately I think there is a reason E17 isn't in Universe already
[07:52] <JohnnyMast> LaserJock prob the unstable ness :p
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[07:53] <monzie> i guess so  LaserJock, but i liked it and there's no harm in trying it.... i learnt so much about Ubuntu in the process
[07:53] <JohnnyMast> i lub enlightenment !!
[07:53] <JohnnyMast> :D
[07:53] <monzie> whether it gets accepted is not important, at 22 learning is
[07:54] <monzie> do you have to be a community council member to "be heard" in the Ubuntu world?
[07:54] <JohnnyMast> no not at all
[07:55] <JohnnyMast> if you tall ur stuff on ubuntu-dev ppl will know you
[07:55] <JohnnyMast> and think about your ideas
[07:55] <JohnnyMast> you can even get discussions going meaning a revolution in ubuntu
[07:55] <JohnnyMast> meaning if much ppl like here motu`s sopport it
[07:56] <JohnnyMast> ubuntu is a communty not comunism
[07:57] <monzie> ok JohnnyMast
[07:57] <monzie> i guess i will go to #ubuntu-bugs and try to do some work
[07:57] <JohnnyMast> :) nice going !
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[10:30] <siretart> slomo: thanks for the approval :)
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