=== Doe [n=will@ACD81C24.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACD81C24.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] good night === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:29] kmon: good night === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === toma is now known as toma_ === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-171-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jtshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.250] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dasnipa` [n=Dasnipa@bravobravo.stev195.eiu.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] good evening guys [02:18] (and gals) [02:25] hi jtshaw :) [02:26] heres a stupid question... is there a source repository kicking around for things like the installer? [02:27] well every binary package in dapper has its source in dapper too [02:27] ... [02:27] so if you get the deb-src for dapper you get the source of the latest version in dapper [02:29] makes sense [02:29] heh [02:36] hi jtshaw [02:36] jtshaw: which installer? [02:37] good question :) [02:40] well, what I'm trying to find is the code in the kubuntu installer that validates the usernames [02:40] because I believe it is slightly incorrect:) [02:40] but probably pretty easy to fix [02:41] you mean in debian-installer? [02:42] apt-get source debian-installer [02:42] although it's quite a complex beast [02:46] ya.. I'm sure this one piece can't be difficult to fix.. but it might take me the better part of my life to find it:) [02:48] I really need to find my POSIX book to make sure I'm not wrong before I do it though anyway === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.76] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === reconciliation [n=reconcil@cpe-065-191-078-152.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:07] where to look for the khtml source? === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-171-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === okrim [i=orkim@CPE-65-26-29-186.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === okrim [i=orkim@CPE-65-26-29-186.kc.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jtshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.250] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.64] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] how do you remove things from the top of a bug in malone? [07:19] #33173 for instance is listed as ubuntu aswell which it shouldn't be === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall kicks klichota [08:34] what's that? [08:34] somethign to do with klik? [08:35] mornfall: hi === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-252-117.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] Lure: around? [09:09] Tonio_: at least you around? ;) [09:09] hi Pygi [09:09] Hi hi Hobbsee [09:10] what's up? [09:10] looking at how to install descent 2 [09:12] ah ^_^ [09:17] Lure: wake up [09:34] _ion: there? [09:35] o joy, none of the people here [09:36] Pygi: hi [09:36] freeflying: hi hi [09:37] Pygi: === Lure [n=admin@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] yes freeflying? [09:37] Hi, Lure... [09:38] Pygi: hi - great day, isn't it ;-) [09:38] I did not notice that VPN is included - this is even better [09:38] yes, great day, but I need to correct you on one things from the forum ;) [09:38] I have updated my post [09:38] yes, that...please change to it ;) [09:38] done [09:38] ah, you already did...that is great ;) [09:39] now to get knetworkmanager in ;) [09:39] Riddell: since knetworkmanager was not yet in, what has to be done since we are in FF? [09:40] Riddell: do we need to go universe -> main route or can we get an exception on this? [09:40] Lure: also, please change knetworkmanager to network-manager-kde on forum post [09:41] Riddell: is it just you that we need to persuade or we need to also make some wider marketing? ;-) [09:41] Pygi: OK, will clarify, however binary will still be knetworkmanager [09:41] yes, I know ^_^ [09:42] done [09:42] great ^_^ [09:46] Lure: Network-manager 0.6.1 will land into official Dapper repository soon (today?). [09:46] it is already there, it is in the building queue [09:46] Pygi: we will change that when apt-get upgrade will get it - currently even build queue cannot be seen in launchpad [09:47] Pygi: should we suggest to the users to do a clean install (purge test packages, configure again)? [09:47] it probably makes sense, in order to ensure that we have clean case [09:47] Lure: I don't think there is a need for that ... [09:48] lot's of people anyway do it, therefore I am not too concerned anyway... [09:48] conf files stayed the same, so no need ;) [09:48] purgins is not really good [09:48] Pygi: only wpasupplicant changed... [09:49] Lure: two patches were dropped from our version of n-m [09:49] VPN and which? [09:49] 30-blacklist-devices.patch: [09:49] - Dropped; upstream implemented an nm_system_device_get_disabled() [09:49] function that we implement instead. [09:51] Pygi: n-m is waiting in build queue on dependancy (libnl-dev) :-( [09:51] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds?build_state=depwait [09:51] ok, but this one we picked from Debian (if I understand correctly) [09:52] why is this missing? :-/ [09:52] we have one in our repo [09:53] not sure, maybe libnl1 source package (included couple of days back) does not provide it... :-( [09:54] but they could have picked our ppc version at least... [09:54] if not amd64 (which we don't have) === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@213.208.70.155] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] Lure: according to that i386 edition is already in the repos? [09:59] Pygi: I think it is copies to archives only when all platforms pass build (at least i386, amd64, ppc) [09:59] ah,yes, even i386 failed [09:59] that is because libnl not yet in main === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] kaudiocreator is useless... it failed to grab 14 out of 22 CDs. cdparanoia has no trouble grabbing all of them whatsoever! === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] Plus kaudiocreator does not always start to actually grab the files... sometimes it just sits there with a list of jobs and twiddles its thumbs. [10:19] Pygi: libnl is approved, but not ready to be promoted (whatever that means) [10:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [10:20] Lure: I know... [10:27] why oh why does pbuilder not depend on debootstrap? [10:28] hmmm...it supposedly does. i wonder why it didnt install properly then [10:35] hunger: yeah, I dropped kaudiocreator from my favourites list because of lacking paranoia [10:35] Hobbsee: yay! === Hobbsee listens to the radio edition of hitchikers in the background, while setting up the pbuilder (again) [10:52] Lure; arizbd= [10:52] around*? [10:56] <_ion> hobbsee: I should listen that some time. :-) [10:56] <_ion> Hi .* [10:56] _ion: hello _ion [10:56] Congrats ^_^ [10:59] <_ion> Wow. :-) [11:00] wow what? ;) [11:01] <_ion> pe104602 < Pygi> Lure: Network-manager 0.6.1 will land into official Dapper repository soon (today?). [11:02] _ion: bah, that's what I am congratulating you on ^_^ === Lure [n=admin@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:03] _ion:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-March/008171.html [11:04] <_ion> - Yes kids, this means we ship VPN support now. [11:04] <_ion> Yay!! [11:04] <_ion> Rules, rules, rules === _ion uses OpenVPN. [11:05] congrats _ion ;) [11:06] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=856812&posted=1#post856812 [11:07] agh [11:08] <_ion> I wasn't the only one who worked on the package, so congrats to everyone who did. :-) [11:08] someone like to hold my hand awhile? === _ion holds tm_t's hand for a while. [11:08] yay! [11:08] hmm, maybe I try to do that Kopete package now [11:09] we'll see what I can get together [11:11] _ion: bah ^_^ [11:12] yay, wpasupplicant in main, shipping [11:13] not that it's good, but still :-/ === Tm_T still don't understand how exactly he should do this [11:15] Tonio_, Lure: you need to drop the VPN blocking patch from Knetworkmanager [11:15] Pygi: we know - I am just waiting for NM-dev packages with VPN in order to be able to build [11:16] Pygi: this just means that we drop one big removal of code patch ;-) [11:16] yes ;) [11:16] Lure: Will you rename the deb then, too? [11:17] Lure: Or will it stick with its name? [11:17] yes [11:17] Lure: Yes, we will rename it or yes, it will keep its name? [11:17] oh well... [11:18] package renamed, binary will stay ;-) [11:19] Hobbsee|Movie: good for you... ;-) [11:20] :P [11:20] on the laptop [11:20] why watch on a big tv when my laptop is here? === Pygi pokes Riddell [11:23] Hobbsee|Movie: streaming over wireless? ;-) [11:23] Lure: no, just a dvd in the dvd drive :P [11:24] Hobbsee|Movie: boring... ;-) [11:24] hehe [11:24] just remember about our wireless speeds... === Lure has to grab some lunch... [11:38] Pygi: hmm? === verwilst [n=bv@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pygi first pays Riddell a bear or two then talks to him [11:40] bear? you mean beer? [11:40] s/bear/beer [11:40] ;) [11:40] Riddell: enjoy your bears =) [11:41] Riddel: we need to squeeze wpasupplicant on ubuntu CD, and put wpasupplicant and network-manager-kde on kubuntu CD [11:41] you think you can do it? ;) [11:42] Pygi: of course we can [11:42] Riddell: thanks ^_^ and what do we have to get out because of that? [11:43] btw. network-manager-kde first needs to hit the universe, then main, and then we can include it [11:43] Riddell: shall we merge qt-3.3.6 from debian [11:43] yes [11:44] Riddell: about Kopete 0.12, should I diff to current dapper package or what? [11:44] freeflying: does it keep the immodule patch? [11:44] Riddell: y [11:44] Riddell: but the build-dep is not suitable to dapper [11:45] Riddell: what will we need to drop from the cd in order to squeeze that in? [11:46] Riddell: also they add the inputcontex crash patch [11:49] Pygi: the CDs have ample space except powerpc live [11:50] Riddell: hm, ok, can we drop something from ppc live in order to get this in? it's not so big packages, anyway === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=admin@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] Pygi: I did remove a bunch of language packs yesterday but it hasn't made any difference to the size, I think that CD is just determined to be oversized [12:16] Riddell: why qt-3.3.6 build against xlibs-static-dev [12:30] freeflying: they always do that with qt [12:30] Riddell: merge or not ? [12:31] - Font system [12:31] Improve startup time on systems with many installed fonts. [12:31] Improve Chinese, Japanese and Korean font handling. [12:34] freeflying: we need to build some .debs and test them first, see if it causes any problems [12:35] Riddell: right === Lure_ [n=admin@BSN-77-152-53.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] Riddell: if someone began a spec on the wiki, can I overtake it? === Lure__ [n=admin@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] raphink: which spec? [12:51] depends on the author and status [12:51] klik [12:52] the author is an almost anonymous guy [12:52] no history in Ubuntu [12:52] yeah, you can 0wn that quite legitimately :) [12:52] how do I own it? [12:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KlikIntegration [12:53] edit the spec, bring it up to date and make it complete. then before the ubuntu conference register it on launchpad [12:53] it's already registered on LP by this guy [12:53] so I guess once it's more complete on the wiki I can assign the drafting to myself [12:53] on LP [12:54] well target it for edgy when that's possible [12:54] ok [12:58] Riddell: where do I put the pros and cons in a spec ? [12:58] in the scope section? [01:00] in a rationale section [01:00] eh klik [01:01] ok [01:01] ever thought about security problem in a library that's distributed with klik and how it doesn't get fixed by ubuntu security updates? [01:01] that's what has to be discussed [01:01] your system is updated now -- except the ton of libs in various klik packages [01:02] and I want to spec klik just because he can probably bring problems [01:02] better spec it then wait for a guy to provide a package that will bring lots of security issues === mornfall notes that doing the appfolder thing right is a lot more complex than klik === Tm_T thinks we should disable arts by default === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] tm why? [01:24] Tm_T: [01:25] dunno, somehow I feel it's more bad than good [01:27] not much of a rationale :) [01:27] we can't just remove sounds from KDE [01:27] and suse's kdemm stuff isjust as bad [01:28] what what? [01:28] it's far too late for dapper either way :) [01:28] and that too [01:28] but i don't think ditching arts gives you anything [01:28] i run arts because everything else sucks more [01:28] like, amarok locking up with xine [01:29] oh, what you need to do [01:29] change autodetect to threaded oss as default driver [01:29] and make sure to load oss emu [01:29] solves most arts problems for me [01:29] alsa userspace lib is probably not suitable for daemon usage [01:30] it breaks far too often [01:30] i'm not sure if everyone knows this so i better tell you :) [01:32] how do we make sure to loade oss emu? [01:42] hmm === Tm_T uses alsaplayer for knotify and alsa plug:dmix everywhere [01:46] raphink: you play wesnoth? :-) [01:46] sure [01:46] mornfall: why? [01:46] raphink: but i so don't get how it's related to OOo :) [01:46] it's not [01:46] some people call it the "Ooo of RPG" [01:46] is that an insult? [01:46] not at all [01:46] sounds like one to me :) [01:47] Ooo is a great open-source app, available on most OSes [01:47] and so is wesnoth [01:47] ooo is great? [01:47] well it's great for most users :p [01:47] =) [01:47] I don't like it [01:47] but well ;) [01:47] Wesnoth is too hard to me [01:47] Tm_T: practice ;) [01:47] the only people i know use it do so because they think MS office is too pricey [01:47] Tm_T: I can mentor you [01:47] muahaha [01:47] =) [01:48] Tm_T: wanna play a game w/ me ? [01:48] :) [01:48] i wouldn't ;-) [01:48] playing against experienced player is way too frustrating for newbies :) [01:48] raphink: can't now [01:48] mornfall: wouln''t what? [01:48] I'm not experienced :p [01:49] mornfall: are you? [01:50] raphink: how about ET with me? ;) [01:50] ET ? [01:51] Enemy Territory [01:51] this is open-source ??! [01:51] I doubt, but it's free [01:52] it's not in Ubuntu at least [01:52] free as, you don't have tp pay to play it [01:52] raphink: yeah, it's not inrepositories ;) [01:52] :p [01:54] http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/wolfensteinet/et-linux-2.60.x86.run.html === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] raphink: i guess no [01:55] hehe [01:55] raphink: though, I bet there's better places to download that [01:58] Riddell: uhm, kubuntu defaults to double-clicking? [02:01] or anyone else for that matter :) [02:03] ? === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D4197.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:08] mornfall: no [02:08] certainly shouldn't do [02:10] we talked about that already [02:10] at a meeting some time ago [02:10] and most people agreed on keepind default = single click [02:11] although I'm not sure to get how this goes along with the metabar [02:11] ;) [02:11] since you have to single-click on a file to get infos and actions on it in the metabar === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D4197.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink is a pro-single-click [02:13] hmm no === raphink is a pro-double-click [02:13] hehe === _ion is anti-click [02:14] good too [02:15] Riddell: will you have time for an upload today? [02:15] mornfall: sure [02:15] okey, i'll go home now and prepare it [02:15] mornfall: side note : you can ask me for uploads when you need one [02:15] too ;) [02:16] raphink: okey :) [02:16] laters [02:16] hmm [02:16] I don't have actions in the metabar [02:16] anyone can confirm that? [02:17] when i select a file, it lists no actions in the metabar === allee_ [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] raphink: confirmed [02:21] Riddell: now right click on the metabar and add the "copy" action for example [02:21] you"ll see that other actions will show [02:21] for example "convert to" for images [02:22] I don't see that [02:22] only Configure Metabar and Reload theme [02:23] yes [02:23] go to configure [02:23] then to the "actions" tab [02:23] and activate an action [02:23] and it will activate more than this single action [02:26] yes, how broken === jtshaw [n=jshaw@65.207.116.250] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A608EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying build qt-3.3.6 === ubijtsa_ [n=anders@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] fr on dapper? [03:27] freeflying: on dapper? [03:27] Riddell: ya [03:27] freeflying: got a URL? [03:28] Riddell: URL? [03:29] Riddell: seems debain guys includes all patches we have in dapper [03:30] Riddell: debain's http://incoming.debian.org/qt-x11-free_3.3.6.orig.tar.gz [03:32] freeflying: URL for your .debs, so I can test them [03:32] Riddell: hem, buiding it [03:33] ah, still building, ok :) [03:33] Riddell: will you build it :) [03:33] maybe your amchine may build it more quickly [03:33] I'm busy with kde 3.5.2, koffice 1.5 rcv1 and amarok 1.3.9 [03:34] s/amchine/machine [03:34] ok,after finish , give you URL === faked [n=faked@83-65-236-226.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Riddell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/immodule-qt/2006-March/000745.html --< new immodule patch for qt-3.3.5 [04:11] freeflying: it's not clear there, is he just merging dirk's changes or is he also adding his own fix? [04:14] Riddell: seems just merge [04:14] we already have dirk's patches [04:18] hmm.. is there a way, in the installer/preseed, to force/guide the use of a particular dhcp server ? [04:18] Riddell: would u like give any advice on build kde4 [04:19] I've never built kde 4 === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [05:05] Riddell: any space for uploading qt-3.3.6? [05:05] freeflying: revu [05:06] Riddell: there only for source [05:06] I think you can upload non-source to revu [05:06] dput revu foo.i386.changes [05:07] dosen't it get auto rejected? [05:07] well, it's worth a shot :) [05:07] raphink: ping [05:19] Riddell: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying/ === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] _Sime_: bug 32915 is still there with 0.6.3 [05:46] Malone bug 32915 in kde-guidance "Display applet does not start" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32915 [05:47] actually it is different stack trace, but same result ;-) === Lure_ is now known as Lure [06:05] Riddell: shall we merge qt-3.3.6 from debian [11:44] yes [06:06] this helps with performance in KDE, esp with latest fontconfig. cool! [06:10] current version 2.3.2-1.1ubuntu5, but fontconfig devel is at version 2.3.94 - so 2.4 is still some time off. guess the reall performance improvements have to wait for dapper+1 === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:45] Riddell: please see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdewebdev/+bug/36460 [06:45] Malone bug 36460 in kdewebdev kimagemapeditor "Crash while starting kimagemapeditor" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [06:54] I can't change the performance in klaptop, is this a known limitation, bug or do I have to change some settings somewhere? === kmon leaves === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:15] hi Riddell [07:15] hi all [07:15] Riddell: ping? [07:37] danimo: hi [07:37] Riddell: I want to package klear [07:38] Riddell: it does have a debian directory, but I'd need some advice on how to go from there [07:39] danimo: already done http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=924 === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:39] hi lamont [07:39] cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/kde3/ktalkdrc': No such file or directory === lamont kicks kdenetwork [07:39] which didn't like a single ports architecture [07:39] hi Riddell :-) [07:40] lamont: it's because it can't find /var/run/utmp, is there a reason that would have changed, or is different on the arches? [07:40] Riddell: and how do I build from there? [07:40] danimo: grab the .orig, .dsc and .diff.gz [07:40] dpkg-source -x *dsc [07:41] cd klear- [07:41] debuild [07:41] may want to apt-get install devscripts to install debuild [07:41] Riddell: le huh? === lamont goes looking [07:41] Riddell: is there a all-in-one-package? [07:42] danimo: not for source packages [07:42] after debuild is run it'll make the .deb [07:43] anyone on breezy want to test KDE 3.5.2? [07:43] <_Sime_> danimo: is guidance and displayconfig 0.6.3 working for you now on dapper? [07:43] <_Sime_> Lure: hi [07:43] _Sime_: I didn't dare to try it again :) [07:43] Riddell: interesting... the chroot on hppa lacks /var/run/utmp. but it's present in the i386 chrot [07:43] _Sime_: I'm easily scared :) [07:44] <_Sime_> danimo: it always backs up your xorg.conf. ;) [07:44] lamont: I've never touched ktalk so it's always worked on debian and ubuntu buildds in the past [07:45] _Sime_: that I noticed [07:45] _Sime_: the gamma sliders still don't work === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] Riddell: apparently, it'll get removed from the i386/ppc/amd64 chroots sometime soonish... pkg will then be b0rked everywhere... [07:46] _Sime_: I am back - Konversation hung... :-( [07:46] _Sime_: seen my report with 0.6.3 [07:46] <_Sime_> Lure: yeah, [07:46] <_Sime_> Lure: i'm going to have a look at it now. [07:47] Riddell: I can install 3.5.2 on breezy (have 3.5.1 currently), but will not get much testing until monday [07:47] Riddell: weekends are for Dapper, work is on Breezy (until Flight6 ;-)) [07:49] <_Sime_> Lure: can you run ScanPCI.py for me and email (or pastebin) the output for me. [07:49] Lure: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main [07:50] lamont: what's the reason for that and will it happen to debian too? === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:52] _Sime_: fails - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/620397 [07:52] anybody else having problems with Konversation hangs (on 3.5.2)? [07:52] <_Sime_> Lure: oh yes, of course. [07:53] _Sime_: I am doing something wrong, I suppose... ;-) [07:54] Riddell: don't mind me - I may or may not be correct in my statement about that... [07:54] although I'm completely at a loss to understand why no utmp results in not installing an rc file for ktalkd.... [07:55] lamont: ktalkd doesn't compile unless it finds /var/run/utmp [07:55] Riddell: it goes away because of the change to clean /var/run on boot [07:55] <_Sime_> Lure: fix up this line "bus = PCIBus("ldetect-lst/")" in ScanPCI.py and make it point to where the directory containing the Cards+ file. [07:55] (or rather, to recreate the tmpfs that was /var/run the last time...) [07:55] lamont: is that an ubuntu change or a debian change? [07:55] Riddell: and why, doesn't it compile? [07:56] dapper [07:56] although it wouldn't surprise me to find that change getting into debian as well [07:56] right [07:56] /var/run is (by policy) completely transient [07:56] across boots [07:57] well ktalkd needs utmp to work so the programmers obviously thought it a silly idea to install it without a utmp on the system [07:57] and the existance of system files on the compiling machine shouldn't be affecting the binaries delivered to some enduser machine... [07:57] but should be an easy enough fix to just ignore the utmp test in autoconf [07:57] but there's utmp on the enduser system [07:57] Riddell: please do make that change [07:58] _Sime_: better - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/620411 [07:58] will do, thanks for answering my questions [08:01] <_Sime_> Lure: is that a pci card? are you using the drivers from ATI right now? === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure hates konversation hanging all the time... [08:03] _Sime_: it is ATI FireGL V5000 PCI-Express card [08:04] _Sime_: I run "fglrx" currently - can switch to "ati" if you want... [08:04] <_Sime_> Lure: driver? [08:04] <_Sime_> Lure: no, that's ok. === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure is back [08:07] Lure: Hi! ati/radeon hangs here if I do not disable dri. Haven't tried the fglrx in dapper. [08:10] <_Sime_> Lure: ok, what I want you to do now is pop ScanPCI.py open and go to the "def detect(" about 1/3 in to the file... === Lure [n=admin@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:25] <_Sime_> oh, he's gone... [08:26] Lure: _Sime_ wanted you [08:26] my konversation is hanging all the time [08:26] _Sime_: can I help [08:26] <_Sime_> weird [08:27] <_Sime_> Lure: "Lure: ok, what I want you to do now is pop ScanPCI.py open and go to the "def detect(" about 1/3 in to the file..." [08:28] yes [08:28] I am there [08:29] <_Sime_> Lure: now comment out that "try: entry.module...." block of stuff that is a few lines down. === _Sime_ wonders why konversation feels so special that it doesn't need a "Copy" or "Paste" menu item. [08:29] yep, it works now [08:30] <_Sime_> Cool. [08:30] <_Sime_> it can't correctly detect your card, but at least it won't bug out. [08:30] _Sime_: thanks [08:30] <_Sime_> it will just assume vesa. [08:30] <_Sime_> Lure: no, thank you! === Lure has to run now... ;-) [08:30] <_Sime_> ok === _Sime_ wonders why konversation on Dapper does that highly annoying "close window means go to system tray" thing... === toma_ is now known as toma === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] argh [10:06] forgot to look packaging issues... oh well, it's day tomorrow === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-249-131.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:01] hi, anyone around experiencing the kdesu/adept problem? === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-249-131.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:10] Lure: around? [11:12]