[12:23] <kmon> good night
[12:29] <Lure> kmon: good night
[02:17] <jtshaw> good evening guys
[02:18] <jtshaw> (and gals)
[02:25] <raphink> hi jtshaw :)
[02:26] <jtshaw> heres a stupid question... is there a source repository kicking around for things like the installer?
[02:27] <raphink> well every binary package in dapper has its source in dapper too
[02:27] <raphink> ...
[02:27] <raphink> so if you get the deb-src for dapper you get the source of the latest version in dapper
[02:29] <jtshaw> makes sense
[02:29] <raphink> heh
[02:36] <Riddell> hi jtshaw 
[02:36] <Riddell> jtshaw: which installer?
[02:37] <raphink> good question :)
[02:40] <jtshaw> well, what I'm trying to find is the code in the kubuntu installer that validates the usernames
[02:40] <jtshaw> because I believe it is slightly incorrect:)
[02:40] <jtshaw> but probably pretty easy to fix
[02:41] <raphink> you mean in debian-installer?
[02:42] <Riddell> apt-get source debian-installer
[02:42] <Riddell> although it's quite a complex beast
[02:46] <jtshaw> ya.. I'm sure this one piece can't be difficult to fix.. but it might take me the better part of my life to find it:)
[02:48] <jtshaw> I really need to find my POSIX book to make sure I'm not wrong before I do it though anyway
[04:07] <reconciliation> where to look for the khtml source?
[07:18] <seaLne> how do you remove things from the top of a bug in malone?
[07:19] <seaLne> #33173 for instance is listed as ubuntu aswell which it shouldn't be
[08:34] <Hobbsee> what's that?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> somethign to do with klik?
[08:35] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[09:05] <Pygi> Lure: around?
[09:09] <Pygi> Tonio_: at least you around? ;)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> hi Pygi 
[09:09] <Pygi> Hi hi Hobbsee
[09:10] <Pygi> what's up?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> looking at how to install descent 2
[09:12] <Pygi> ah ^_^
[09:17] <Pygi> Lure: wake up
[09:34] <Pygi> _ion: there?
[09:35] <Pygi> o joy, none of the people here
[09:36] <freeflying> Pygi: hi
[09:36] <Pygi> freeflying: hi hi
[09:37] <freeflying> Pygi: 
[09:37] <Pygi> yes freeflying?
[09:37] <Pygi> Hi, Lure...
[09:38] <Lure> Pygi: hi - great day, isn't it ;-)
[09:38] <Lure> I did not notice that VPN is included - this is even better
[09:38] <Pygi> yes, great day, but I need to correct you on one things from the forum ;)
[09:38] <Lure> I have updated my post
[09:38] <Pygi> yes, that...please change to it ;)
[09:38] <Lure> done
[09:38] <Pygi> ah, you already did...that is great ;)
[09:39] <Pygi> now to get knetworkmanager in ;)
[09:39] <Lure> Riddell: since knetworkmanager was not yet in, what has to be done since we are in FF?
[09:40] <Lure> Riddell: do we need to go universe -> main route or can we get an exception on this?
[09:40] <Pygi> Lure: also, please change knetworkmanager to network-manager-kde on forum post
[09:41] <Lure> Riddell: is it just you that we need to persuade or we need to also make some wider marketing? ;-)
[09:41] <Lure> Pygi: OK, will clarify, however binary will still be knetworkmanager
[09:41] <Pygi> yes, I know ^_^
[09:42] <Lure> done
[09:42] <Pygi> great ^_^
[09:46] <Pygi> Lure: Network-manager 0.6.1 will land into official Dapper repository soon (today?).
[09:46] <Pygi> it is already there, it is in the building queue
[09:46] <Lure> Pygi: we will change that when apt-get upgrade will get it - currently even build queue cannot be seen in launchpad
[09:47] <Lure> Pygi: should we suggest to the users to do a clean install (purge test packages, configure again)?
[09:47] <Lure> it probably makes sense, in order to ensure that we have clean case
[09:47] <Pygi> Lure: I don't think there is a need for that ...
[09:48] <Lure> lot's of people anyway do it, therefore I am not too concerned anyway...
[09:48] <Pygi> conf files stayed the same, so no need ;)
[09:48] <Pygi> purgins is not really good
[09:48] <Lure> Pygi: only wpasupplicant changed...
[09:49] <Pygi> Lure: two patches were dropped from our version of n-m
[09:49] <Lure> VPN and which?
[09:49] <Pygi> 30-blacklist-devices.patch:
[09:49] <Pygi>      - Dropped; upstream implemented an nm_system_device_get_disabled()
[09:49] <Pygi>        function that we implement instead.
[09:51] <Lure> Pygi: n-m is waiting in build queue on dependancy (libnl-dev) :-(
[09:51] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds?build_state=depwait
[09:51] <Lure> ok, but this one we picked from Debian (if I understand correctly)
[09:52] <Pygi> why is this missing? :-/
[09:52] <Pygi> we have one in our repo
[09:53] <Lure> not sure, maybe libnl1 source package (included couple of days back) does not provide it... :-(
[09:54] <Pygi> but they could have picked our ppc version at least...
[09:54] <Pygi> if not amd64 (which we don't have)
[09:57] <Pygi> Lure: according to that i386 edition is already in the repos?
[09:59] <Lure> Pygi: I think it is copies to archives only when all platforms pass build (at least i386, amd64, ppc)
[09:59] <Pygi> ah,yes, even i386 failed
[09:59] <Pygi> that is because libnl not yet in main
[10:15] <hunger> kaudiocreator is useless... it failed to grab 14 out of 22 CDs. cdparanoia has no trouble grabbing all of them whatsoever!
[10:16] <hunger> Plus kaudiocreator does not always start to actually grab the files... sometimes it just sits there with a list of jobs and twiddles its thumbs.
[10:19] <Lure> Pygi: libnl is approved, but not ready to be promoted (whatever that means)
[10:19] <Lure> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[10:20] <Pygi> Lure: I know...
[10:27] <Hobbsee> why oh why does pbuilder not depend on debootstrap?
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm...it supposedly does.  i wonder why it didnt install properly then
[10:35] <Tm_T> hunger: yeah, I dropped kaudiocreator from my favourites list because of lacking paranoia
[10:35] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yay!
[10:52] <Pygi> Lure; arizbd=
[10:52] <Pygi> around*?
[10:56] <_ion> hobbsee: I should listen that some time. :-)
[10:56] <_ion> Hi .*
[10:56] <Pygi> _ion: hello _ion
[10:56] <Pygi> Congrats ^_^
[10:59] <_ion> Wow. :-)
[11:00] <Pygi> wow what? ;)
[11:01] <_ion> pe104602 < Pygi> Lure: Network-manager 0.6.1 will land into official Dapper repository soon (today?).
[11:02] <Pygi> _ion: bah, that's what I am congratulating you on ^_^
[11:03] <Pygi> _ion:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-March/008171.html
[11:04] <_ion>      - Yes kids, this means we ship VPN support now.
[11:04] <_ion> Yay!!
[11:04] <_ion> Rules, rules, rules
[11:05] <Pygi> congrats _ion ;)
[11:06] <Pygi> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=856812&posted=1#post856812
[11:07] <Tm_T> agh
[11:08] <_ion> I wasn't the only one who worked on the package, so congrats to everyone who did. :-)
[11:08] <Tm_T> someone like to hold my hand awhile?
[11:08] <Tm_T> yay!
[11:08] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I try to do that Kopete package now
[11:09] <Tm_T> we'll see what I can get together
[11:11] <Pygi> _ion: bah ^_^
[11:12] <Pygi> yay, wpasupplicant in main, shipping
[11:13] <Pygi> not that it's good, but still :-/
[11:15] <Pygi> Tonio_, Lure: you need to drop the VPN blocking patch from Knetworkmanager
[11:15] <Lure> Pygi: we know - I am just waiting for NM-dev packages with VPN in order to be able to build
[11:16] <Lure> Pygi: this just means that we drop one big removal of code patch ;-)
[11:16] <Pygi> yes ;)
[11:16] <hunger> Lure: Will you rename the deb then, too?
[11:17] <hunger> Lure: Or will it stick with its name?
[11:17] <Lure> yes
[11:17] <hunger> Lure: Yes, we will rename it or yes, it will keep its name?
[11:17] <Tm_T> oh well...
[11:18] <Lure> package renamed, binary will stay ;-)
[11:19] <Lure> Hobbsee|Movie: good for you... ;-)
[11:20] <Hobbsee|Movie> :P
[11:20] <Hobbsee|Movie> on the laptop
[11:20] <Hobbsee|Movie> why watch on a big tv when my laptop is here?
[11:23] <Lure> Hobbsee|Movie: streaming over wireless? ;-)
[11:23] <Hobbsee|Movie> Lure: no, just a dvd in the dvd drive :P
[11:24] <Lure> Hobbsee|Movie: boring... ;-)
[11:24] <Hobbsee|Movie> hehe
[11:24] <Hobbsee|Movie> just remember about our wireless speeds...
[11:38] <Riddell> Pygi: hmm?
[11:40] <Tm_T> bear? you mean beer?
[11:40] <Pygi> s/bear/beer
[11:40] <Pygi> ;)
[11:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: enjoy your bears =)
[11:41] <Pygi> Riddel: we need to squeeze wpasupplicant on ubuntu CD, and put wpasupplicant and network-manager-kde on kubuntu CD
[11:41] <Pygi> you think you can do it? ;)
[11:42] <Riddell> Pygi: of course we can
[11:42] <Pygi> Riddell: thanks ^_^ and what do we have to get out because of that? 
[11:43] <Pygi> btw. network-manager-kde first needs to hit the universe, then main, and then we can include it
[11:43] <freeflying> Riddell: shall we merge qt-3.3.6 from debian
[11:43] <Riddell> yes
[11:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: about Kopete 0.12, should I diff to current dapper package or what?
[11:44] <Riddell> freeflying: does it keep the immodule patch?
[11:44] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[11:44] <freeflying> Riddell: but the build-dep is not suitable to dapper 
[11:45] <Pygi> Riddell: what will we need to drop from the cd in order to squeeze that in?
[11:46] <freeflying> Riddell: also they add the inputcontex crash patch 
[11:49] <Riddell> Pygi: the CDs have ample space except powerpc live
[11:50] <Pygi> Riddell: hm, ok, can we drop something from ppc live in order to get this in? it's not so big packages, anyway
[12:14] <Riddell> Pygi: I did remove a bunch of language packs yesterday but it hasn't made any difference to the size, I think that CD is just determined to be oversized
[12:16] <freeflying> Riddell: why qt-3.3.6 build against xlibs-static-dev 
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: they always do that with qt
[12:30] <freeflying> Riddell: merge or not ?
[12:31] <freeflying> - Font system
[12:31] <freeflying>         Improve startup time on systems with many installed fonts.
[12:31] <freeflying>         Improve Chinese, Japanese and Korean font handling.
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying: we need to build some .debs and test them first, see if it causes any problems
[12:35] <freeflying> Riddell: right
[12:50] <raphink> Riddell: if someone began a spec on the wiki, can I overtake it?
[12:51] <Riddell> raphink: which spec?
[12:51] <Riddell> depends on the author and status
[12:51] <raphink> klik
[12:52] <raphink> the author is an almost anonymous guy
[12:52] <raphink> no history in Ubuntu
[12:52] <Riddell> yeah, you can 0wn that quite legitimately :)
[12:52] <raphink> how do I own it?
[12:52] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KlikIntegration
[12:53] <Riddell> edit the spec, bring it up to date and make it complete.  then before the ubuntu conference register it on launchpad
[12:53] <raphink> it's already registered on LP by this guy
[12:53] <raphink> so I guess once it's more complete on the wiki I can assign the drafting to myself
[12:53] <raphink> on LP
[12:54] <Riddell> well target it for edgy when that's possible
[12:54] <raphink> ok
[12:58] <raphink> Riddell: where do I put the pros and cons in a spec ?
[12:58] <raphink> in the scope section?
[01:00] <Riddell> in a rationale section 
[01:00] <mornfall> eh klik
[01:01] <raphink> ok
[01:01] <mornfall> ever thought about security problem in a library that's distributed with klik and how it doesn't get fixed by ubuntu security updates?
[01:01] <raphink> that's what has to be discussed
[01:01] <mornfall> your system is updated now -- except the ton of libs in various klik packages
[01:02] <raphink> and I want to spec klik just because he can probably bring problems
[01:02] <raphink> better spec it then wait for a guy to provide a package that will bring lots of security issues
[01:23] <Riddell> tm	why?
[01:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: 
[01:25] <Tm_T> dunno, somehow I feel it's more bad than good
[01:27] <Riddell> not much of a rationale :)
[01:27] <Riddell> we can't just remove sounds from KDE
[01:27] <Riddell> and suse's kdemm stuff isjust as bad
[01:28] <mornfall> what what?
[01:28] <mornfall> it's far too late for dapper either way :)
[01:28] <Riddell> and that too
[01:28] <mornfall> but i don't think ditching arts gives you anything
[01:28] <mornfall> i run arts because everything else sucks more
[01:28] <mornfall> like, amarok locking up with xine
[01:29] <mornfall> oh, what you need to do
[01:29] <mornfall> change autodetect to threaded oss as default driver
[01:29] <mornfall> and make sure to load oss emu
[01:29] <mornfall> solves most arts problems for me
[01:29] <mornfall> alsa userspace lib is probably not suitable for daemon usage
[01:30] <mornfall> it breaks far too often
[01:30] <mornfall> i'm not sure if everyone knows this so i better tell you :)
[01:32] <Riddell> how do we make sure to loade oss emu?
[01:42] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:46] <mornfall> raphink: you play wesnoth? :-)
[01:46] <raphink> sure
[01:46] <raphink> mornfall: why?
[01:46] <mornfall> raphink: but i so don't get how it's related to OOo :)
[01:46] <raphink> it's not
[01:46] <raphink> some people call it the "Ooo of RPG"
[01:46] <mornfall> is that an insult?
[01:46] <raphink> not at all
[01:46] <mornfall> sounds like one to me :)
[01:47] <raphink> Ooo is a great open-source app, available on most OSes
[01:47] <raphink> and so is wesnoth
[01:47] <mornfall> ooo is great?
[01:47] <raphink> well it's great for most users :p
[01:47] <Tm_T> =)
[01:47] <raphink> I don't like it
[01:47] <raphink> but well ;)
[01:47] <Tm_T> Wesnoth is too hard to me
[01:47] <raphink> Tm_T: practice ;)
[01:47] <mornfall> the only people i know use it do so because they think MS office is too pricey
[01:47] <raphink> Tm_T: I can mentor you
[01:47] <raphink> muahaha
[01:47] <Tm_T> =)
[01:48] <raphink> Tm_T: wanna play a game w/ me ?
[01:48] <raphink> :)
[01:48] <mornfall> i wouldn't ;-)
[01:48] <mornfall> playing against experienced player is way too frustrating for newbies :)
[01:48] <Tm_T> raphink: can't now
[01:48] <raphink> mornfall: wouln''t what?
[01:48] <raphink> I'm not experienced :p
[01:49] <raphink> mornfall: are  you?
[01:50] <Tm_T> raphink: how about ET with me? ;)
[01:50] <raphink> ET ?
[01:51] <Tm_T> Enemy Territory
[01:51] <raphink> this is open-source ??!
[01:51] <Tm_T> I doubt, but it's free
[01:52] <raphink> it's not in Ubuntu at least
[01:52] <Tm_T> free as, you don't have tp pay to play it
[01:52] <Tm_T> raphink: yeah, it's not inrepositories ;)
[01:52] <raphink> :p
[01:54] <Tm_T> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/wolfensteinet/et-linux-2.60.x86.run.html
[01:54] <mornfall> raphink: i guess no
[01:55] <raphink> hehe
[01:55] <Tm_T> raphink: though, I bet there's better places to download that
[01:58] <mornfall> Riddell: uhm, kubuntu defaults to double-clicking?
[02:01] <mornfall> or anyone else for that matter :)
[02:03] <Tm_T> ?
[02:08] <Riddell> mornfall: no
[02:08] <Riddell> certainly shouldn't do
[02:10] <raphink> we talked about that already
[02:10] <raphink> at a meeting some time ago
[02:10] <raphink> and most people agreed on keepind default = single click
[02:11] <raphink> although I'm not sure to get how this goes along with the metabar
[02:11] <raphink> ;)
[02:11] <raphink> since you have to single-click on a file to get infos and actions on it in the metabar
[02:13] <raphink> hmm no
[02:13] <raphink> hehe
[02:14] <raphink> good too
[02:15] <mornfall> Riddell: will you have time for an upload today?
[02:15] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[02:15] <mornfall> okey, i'll go home now and prepare it
[02:15] <raphink> mornfall: side note : you can ask me for uploads when you need one
[02:15] <raphink> too ;)
[02:16] <mornfall> raphink: okey :)
[02:16] <mornfall> laters
[02:16] <raphink> hmm
[02:16] <raphink> I don't have actions in the metabar
[02:16] <raphink> anyone can confirm that?
[02:17] <raphink> when i select a file, it lists no actions in the metabar
[02:20] <Riddell> raphink: confirmed
[02:21] <raphink> Riddell: now right click on the metabar and add the "copy" action for example
[02:21] <raphink> you"ll see that other actions will show
[02:21] <raphink> for example "convert to" for images
[02:22] <Riddell> I don't see that
[02:22] <Riddell> only Configure Metabar and Reload theme
[02:23] <raphink> yes
[02:23] <raphink> go to configure
[02:23] <raphink> then to the "actions" tab
[02:23] <raphink> and activate an action
[02:23] <raphink> and it will activate more than this single action
[02:26] <Riddell> yes, how broken
[03:26] <Riddell> fr	on dapper?
[03:27] <Riddell> freeflying: on dapper?
[03:27] <freeflying> Riddell: ya
[03:27] <Riddell> freeflying: got a URL?
[03:28] <freeflying> Riddell: URL?
[03:29] <freeflying> Riddell: seems debain guys includes all patches we have in dapper 
[03:30] <freeflying> Riddell: debain's http://incoming.debian.org/qt-x11-free_3.3.6.orig.tar.gz
[03:32] <Riddell> freeflying: URL for your .debs, so I can test them
[03:32] <freeflying> Riddell: hem, buiding it 
[03:33] <Riddell> ah, still building, ok :)
[03:33] <freeflying> Riddell: will you build it  :) 
[03:33] <freeflying> maybe your amchine may build it more quickly 
[03:33] <Riddell> I'm busy with kde 3.5.2, koffice 1.5 rcv1 and amarok 1.3.9
[03:34] <freeflying> s/amchine/machine
[03:34] <freeflying> ok,after finish , give you URL
[04:06] <freeflying> Riddell: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/immodule-qt/2006-March/000745.html --< new immodule patch for qt-3.3.5
[04:11] <Riddell> freeflying: it's not clear there, is he just merging dirk's changes or is he also adding his own fix?
[04:14] <freeflying> Riddell: seems just merge 
[04:14] <Riddell> we already have dirk's patches
[04:18] <ubijtsa_> hmm.. is there a way, in the installer/preseed, to force/guide the use of a particular dhcp server ?
[04:18] <freeflying> Riddell: would u like give any advice on build kde4
[04:19] <Riddell> I've never built kde 4
[05:05] <freeflying> Riddell: any space for uploading qt-3.3.6?
[05:05] <Riddell> freeflying: revu
[05:06] <freeflying> Riddell: there only for source 
[05:06] <Riddell> I think you can upload non-source to revu
[05:06] <Riddell> dput revu foo.i386.changes
[05:07] <seaLne> dosen't it get auto rejected?
[05:07] <Riddell> well, it's worth a shot :)
[05:07] <freeflying> raphink: ping
[05:19] <freeflying> Riddell: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying/
[05:46] <Lure_> _Sime_: bug 32915 is still there with 0.6.3
[05:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32915 in kde-guidance "Display applet does not start" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32915
[05:47] <Lure_> actually it is different stack trace, but same result ;-)
[06:05] <superstoned> Riddell: shall we merge qt-3.3.6 from debian [11:44]  <Riddell> yes
[06:06] <superstoned> this helps with performance in KDE, esp with latest fontconfig. cool!
[06:10] <superstoned> current version 2.3.2-1.1ubuntu5, but fontconfig devel is at version 2.3.94 - so 2.4 is still some time off. guess the reall performance improvements have to wait for dapper+1
[06:45] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: please see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdewebdev/+bug/36460
[06:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36460 in kdewebdev kimagemapeditor "Crash while starting kimagemapeditor" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[06:54] <kmon> I can't change the performance in klaptop, is this a known limitation, bug or do I have to change some settings somewhere?
[07:15] <danimo> hi Riddell
[07:15] <danimo> hi all
[07:15] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[07:37] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[07:37] <danimo> Riddell: I want to package klear
[07:38] <danimo> Riddell: it does have a debian directory, but I'd need some advice on how to go from there
[07:39] <Riddell> danimo: already done http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=924
[07:39] <Riddell> hi lamont 
[07:39] <lamont> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/kde3/ktalkdrc': No such file or directory
[07:39] <lamont> which didn't like a single ports architecture
[07:39] <lamont> hi Riddell :-)
[07:40] <Riddell> lamont: it's because it can't find /var/run/utmp, is there a reason that would have changed, or is different on the arches?
[07:40] <danimo> Riddell: and how do I build from there?
[07:40] <Riddell> danimo: grab the .orig, .dsc and .diff.gz
[07:40] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[07:41] <Riddell> cd klear-<tab>
[07:41] <Riddell> debuild
[07:41] <Riddell> may want to apt-get install devscripts to install debuild
[07:41] <lamont> Riddell: le huh?
[07:41] <danimo> Riddell: is there a all-in-one-package?
[07:42] <Riddell> danimo: not for source packages
[07:42] <Riddell> after debuild is run it'll make the .deb
[07:43] <Riddell> anyone on breezy want to test KDE 3.5.2?
[07:43] <_Sime_> danimo: is guidance and displayconfig 0.6.3 working for you now on dapper?
[07:43] <_Sime_> Lure: hi
[07:43] <danimo> _Sime_: I didn't dare to try it again :)
[07:43] <lamont> Riddell: interesting... the chroot on hppa lacks /var/run/utmp.  but it's present in the i386 chrot
[07:43] <danimo> _Sime_: I'm easily scared :)
[07:44] <_Sime_> danimo: it always backs up your xorg.conf. ;)
[07:44] <Riddell> lamont: I've never touched ktalk so it's always worked on debian and ubuntu buildds in the past
[07:45] <danimo> _Sime_: that I noticed
[07:45] <danimo> _Sime_: the gamma sliders still don't work
[07:45] <lamont> Riddell: apparently, it'll get removed from the i386/ppc/amd64 chroots sometime soonish... pkg will then be b0rked everywhere...
[07:46] <Lure> _Sime_: I am back - Konversation hung... :-(
[07:46] <Lure> _Sime_: seen my report with 0.6.3
[07:46] <_Sime_> Lure: yeah,
[07:46] <_Sime_> Lure: i'm going to have a look at it now.
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: I can install 3.5.2 on breezy (have 3.5.1 currently), but will not get much testing until monday 
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: weekends are for Dapper, work is on Breezy (until Flight6 ;-))
[07:49] <_Sime_> Lure: can you run ScanPCI.py for me and email (or pastebin) the output for me.
[07:49] <Riddell> Lure: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[07:50] <Riddell> lamont: what's the reason for that and will it happen to debian too?
[07:52] <Lure> _Sime_: fails - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/620397
[07:52] <Lure> anybody else having problems with Konversation hangs (on 3.5.2)?
[07:52] <_Sime_> Lure: oh yes, of course.
[07:53] <Lure> _Sime_: I am doing something wrong, I suppose... ;-)
[07:54] <lamont> Riddell: don't mind me - I may or may not be correct in my statement about that...
[07:54] <lamont> although I'm completely at a loss to understand why no utmp results in not installing an rc file for ktalkd....
[07:55] <Riddell> lamont: ktalkd doesn't compile unless it finds /var/run/utmp
[07:55] <lamont> Riddell: it goes away because of the change to clean /var/run on boot
[07:55] <_Sime_> Lure: fix up this line "bus = PCIBus("ldetect-lst/")" in ScanPCI.py and make it point to where the directory containing the Cards+ file.
[07:55] <lamont> (or rather, to recreate the tmpfs that was /var/run the last time...)
[07:55] <Riddell> lamont: is that an ubuntu change or a debian change?
[07:55] <lamont> Riddell: and why, doesn't it compile?
[07:56] <lamont> dapper
[07:56] <lamont> although it wouldn't surprise me to find that change getting into debian as well
[07:56] <Riddell> right
[07:56] <lamont>  /var/run is (by policy) completely transient
[07:56] <lamont> across boots
[07:57] <Riddell> well ktalkd needs utmp to work so the programmers obviously thought it a silly idea to install it without a utmp on the system
[07:57] <lamont> and the existance of system files on the compiling machine shouldn't be affecting the binaries delivered to some enduser machine...
[07:57] <Riddell> but should be an easy enough fix to just ignore the utmp test in autoconf
[07:57] <lamont> but there's utmp on the enduser system
[07:57] <lamont> Riddell: please do make that change
[07:58] <Lure> _Sime_: better - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/620411
[07:58] <Riddell> will do, thanks for answering my questions
[08:01] <_Sime_> Lure: is that a pci card? are you using the drivers from ATI right now?
[08:03] <Lure> _Sime_: it is ATI FireGL V5000 PCI-Express card
[08:04] <Lure> _Sime_: I run "fglrx" currently - can switch to "ati" if you want...
[08:04] <_Sime_> Lure: driver?
[08:04] <_Sime_> Lure: no, that's ok.
[08:07] <cmvo> Lure: Hi! ati/radeon hangs here if I do not disable dri. Haven't tried the fglrx in dapper.
[08:10] <_Sime_> Lure: ok, what I want you to do now is pop ScanPCI.py open and go to the "def detect(" about 1/3 in to the file...
[08:25] <_Sime_> oh, he's gone...
[08:26] <Riddell> Lure: _Sime_ wanted you
[08:26] <Lure> my konversation is hanging all the time
[08:26] <Lure> _Sime_: can I help
[08:26] <_Sime_> weird
[08:27] <_Sime_> Lure: "Lure: ok, what I want you to do now is pop ScanPCI.py open and go to the "def detect(" about 1/3 in to the file..."
[08:28] <Lure> yes
[08:28] <Lure> I am there
[08:29] <_Sime_> Lure: now comment out that "try: entry.module...." block of stuff that is a few lines down.
[08:29] <Lure> yep, it works now
[08:30] <_Sime_> Cool.
[08:30] <_Sime_> it can't correctly detect your card, but at least it won't bug out.
[08:30] <Lure> _Sime_: thanks
[08:30] <_Sime_> it will just assume vesa.
[08:30] <_Sime_> Lure: no, thank you!
[08:30] <_Sime_> ok
[10:06] <Tm_T> argh
[10:06] <Tm_T> forgot to look packaging issues... oh well, it's day tomorrow
[11:01] <mornfall> hi, anyone around experiencing the kdesu/adept problem?
[11:10] <Pygi> Lure: around?
[11:12] <Lure> Pygi: yes
[11:13] <Pygi> look at the case ;)
[11:13] <Pygi> people asked for n-m 0.6.1
[11:13] <Pygi> now when they got it...
[11:13] <Pygi> now they want n-m CVS
[11:13] <Pygi> joy :-P
[11:14] <Lure> seen that - it is always like that... ;-)
[11:15] <mornfall> raphink: ping?
[11:15] <raphink> mornfall: yep?
[11:15] <mornfall> raphink: how much spare time you have? :)
[11:15] <raphink> depends 
[11:15] <Pygi> Lure: yes, I know :-P
[11:15] <raphink> I'm working on an XML specif 
[11:15] <raphink> but if it's important I can get rid of it for a time ;)
[11:16] <mornfall> raphink: well, it would be useful if someone (who can use debuild) could sanity-check adept before upload :)
[11:17] <raphink> hmm so you want me to check adept, test-build it and upload it?
[11:18] <mornfall> raphink: well, i am currently doing some testing myself, but i have been known to let stupid bugs into releases before
[11:18] <raphink> hehe
[11:18] <raphink> could you put the package on REVU so I can check it?
[11:19] <mornfall> what's revu :-)
[11:20] <mornfall> raphink: i usually just point at a .tar.gz source package ;-)
[11:20] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de
[11:20] <raphink> this is what we use to review packages
[11:20] <raphink> just give me your PGP key # and you can use dput to upload your package to revu
[11:20] <raphink> then I can check it there :)
[11:21] <mornfall> that's lame ;-)
[11:21] <mornfall> i'll think about it :-)
[11:21] <raphink> ok
[11:22] <raphink> mornfall: it's very useful as it allows several people to check the package and leave comments
[11:22] <mornfall> raphink: my prepare-upload do-upload timeframe is usually hardly enough for someone to make a comment :] 
[11:23] <raphink> lol
[11:23] <raphink> yet yo'ure asking me to review ;)
[11:23] <raphink> so that means you're asking for comments
[11:23] <raphink> no?
[11:24] <mornfall> raphink: maybe :)
[11:24] <raphink> hehe
[11:24] <mornfall> hmm it started 5 times or so in a row
[11:26] <raphink> hehe
[11:47] <mornfall> laame -- i can't reproduce the kdesu hang at all
[11:56] <mornfall> hmm, how can i find out which adept version was in flight 4?
[11:56] <mornfall> bug reporters only rarely give package version, just the flight number
[11:58] <raphink> hmm ... dl the cd, extract it and look at the package version number ...
[11:58] <mornfall> very funny
[11:58] <raphink> or check the history on LP
[11:58] <mornfall> history of what
[11:58] <raphink> of the package versions
[11:58] <raphink> it has the dates of uploads iirc
[11:58] <raphink> and then you can compare with the date of release for DF4
[11:59] <mornfall> okey, that gives approximately "not latest"
[12:00] <raphink> well
[12:00] <mornfall> anyone know if klichota comes to irc? :)
[12:00] <raphink> I can't think of a better way yet