[12:03] <rysiek|pl> cu all
[12:04] <RogueJediX> Er, any way to check out which ports are currently in use on my puter and which app is using it/them
[12:07] <holy_fool> ok i got gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.12-1_i386.deb want to install it
[12:07] <holy_fool> ar is missing...
[12:09] <holy_fool> what can i do ro how do i istall/use deb files
[12:09] <dr_house> anyone here have breezy with an ATI card and fglrx drivers?
[12:09] <chip42> dpkg -i file.deb
[12:09] <holy_fool> thx
[12:10] <chip42> holy_fool: going to have to use sudo
[12:12] <holy_fool> ok how du i do this
[12:12] <holy_fool> i know in the console write sude and tahn ^^....
[12:12] <chip42> holy_fool: sudo dpkg -i somefile.deb
[12:13] <holy_fool> oh thx
[12:13] <chip42> and it will either work, or spit some error about needing another package, etc
[12:13] <holy_fool> nice
[12:13] <holy_fool> error ^^
[12:13] <holy_fool> used by another proces...
[12:15] <chip42> if you are running apt-get, adept, synaptic, etc, you will get that error if you try to do something else apt related
[12:15] <holy_fool> ok that was it, but another error ocured ^^ thx
[12:16] <MagicDk> how can i check if my video card it`s working 100% ?!
[12:17] <holy_fool> need libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.5)
[12:17] <holy_fool> have libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.3)
[12:18] <dr_house> i'm trying to get these ATI drivers: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300
[12:18] <dr_house> do i need the Xwindows ones?
[12:19] <holy_fool> =( i want ony hear to mp3... ^^ what a work...
[12:19] <holy_fool> listen to...
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> dr_house: xorg
[12:24] <_jonathan> is read/write possible to ntfs over a network thru cifs?
[12:30] <dr_house> can anyone help me with installing ATI drivers as per this page? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[12:31] <cedric> hi i did download a theme from kde looks its a sources, i was trying  to follow the step by step guide in the install text... but when i tape ./configure in terminal, seems like i dont have any compiler available... wich package should i install to fix that up
[12:33] <apokryphos> cedric: install build-essential, and it might be a good idea to do something like sudo apt-get build-dep kate
[12:34] <nalioth> it never hurts to do an "apt-get build-dep PKG"
[12:34] <cedric> ok thk you
[01:13] <Dr_House> anyone ever use samba?
[01:14] <jtshaw> yep
[01:14] <Dr_House> is there a GUI version of it?
[01:15] <Dr_House> what i'm trying to do is i got a desktop running linux and a laptop running windows .. i just wanna transfer soem files over to the laptop over the network
[01:25] <ryanakca> is there a program for configuring apache?
[01:38] <zblach> quick question. printer manager locks every time I use it. why?
[01:53] <zblach> anyone home?
[01:53] <bobbyd> no
[01:53] <bobbyd> it should work
[01:54] <zblach> just stalls. kde 3.5.1 in kubuntu. strangeness, but i'm not too interested in cause, i'm interested in a possible solution
[01:55] <bobbyd> is cups working ok ?
[01:57] <jtshaw> cups is working fun, the kubuntu print configure thing doesn't work well
[01:57] <raphink> jtshaw: known
[01:58] <raphink> this is because ubuntu now has a beta version of cups
[01:58] <raphink> that sends errors that kdeprint doesn't know
[01:58] <jtshaw> ahh
[01:58] <jtshaw> makes sense
[01:58] <raphink> if you're talking about dapper that is :s
[01:58] <raphink> if you're talking about breezy, then no ;)
[01:58] <jtshaw> ya, I was
[01:58] <raphink> ok
[01:59] <raphink> in dapper, you can safely ignore the cups error that says no printers were found
[01:59] <zblach> breezy
[01:59] <raphink> it won't prevent you from adding and using printers
[01:59] <bleaked> so i installed kubuntu..and the default set of packages are a little too much for me.  so i'm thinking of doing the minimal 'server' install.  besides xorg, what is recommened for getting the desktop up and running.  (i can take care of apps..i just need vital packages that make audio, video, and KDE function properly.)
[01:59] <jtshaw> raphink: adding wasn't working well for me either, I used the web interface
[01:59] <zblach> bleaked, wireless internet?
[01:59] <bleaked> no
[01:59] <bleaked> i keep away from that..fucked up energy.
[02:00] <zblach> bleaked, good choice
[02:00] <raphink> what is too much for you bleaked?
[02:00] <raphink> why not remove what is not necessary ?
[02:00] <raphink> the server install is aimed to be used for ... errr ... servers ;)
[02:01] <raphink> with no GUI
[02:01] <raphink> you can still apt-get install kde
[02:01] <raphink> but well
[02:01] <raphink> why is it too much for you actually? you don't have enough disk space?
[02:01] <bleaked> like, to be more specific..i want alsa working with dmix, and stock KDE.
[02:02] <bleaked> well..
[02:02] <bleaked> even the kde package comes with too much..
[02:02] <bleaked> like in deb, there was kde-base, i believe
[02:02] <bleaked> disk space is not an issue
[02:03] <raphink> then what is?
[02:03] <bleaked> i just had installed kubuntu, and then glanced at the installed packages, and there was just way too much..
[02:03] <bleaked> like 6 or 7 xorg drivers
[02:03] <raphink> ah
[02:03] <bleaked> for instance
[02:03] <raphink> well remove them
[02:04] <bleaked> yea..but i would rather not go one by one removing packages
[02:04] <bleaked> i rather have a base system
[02:04] <raphink> I tell you, if you wanna speak about wasted time, you can try to build your system package by package
[02:04] <bleaked> and build from there
[02:04] <bleaked> if the package needs a dep
[02:04] <bleaked> then ok, dpkg can handle that
[02:04] <raphink> sure of course
[02:04] <raphink> the default kubuntu install is made to work out of the box on most machines
[02:05] <bleaked> oh i know
[02:05] <bleaked> i mean
[02:05] <raphink> if you add package by package, you're very likely to forget some
[02:05] <zblach> *nods*
[02:05] <raphink> it's up to you ;)
[02:05] <raphink> if you want a minimal system, very optimized and so on
[02:05] <raphink> I'd suggest you use gentoo or slack
[02:05] <bleaked> i'm coming from two years of gentoo, and the past 4 months with deb.  i like deb..it suites me well..but the software is not updated fast enough for my liking.  great for a server..but not for my casual desktop.
[02:06] <raphink> mhm
[02:06] <raphink> have you tried debian sid?
[02:06] <bleaked> yea..that's what i was running
[02:06] <raphink> or did you stick with sarge or etch?
[02:06] <bleaked> sid
[02:06] <bleaked> idk..
[02:06] <bleaked> for instance
[02:06] <raphink> well sid is quite up-to-date
[02:06] <bleaked> kde 3.5 took forever..especially because of a c++ update
[02:07] <bleaked> and amarok 1.4 STILL is not in sid.
[02:07] <bleaked> that was the kicker for me
[02:07] <raphink> the KDE 3.5 packages for breezy are not official
[02:07] <bleaked> no pun intented.
[02:07] <raphink> same for amarok
[02:07] <bleaked> well, i'm interested in dapper anyway
[02:07] <zblach> is there an issue with cups in 3.5.1?
[02:07] <bleaked> idk, maybe i'm being riddiculous
[02:07] <raphink> interested in developping/bug tracking ?
[02:07] <zblach> yeah, updating to dapper'd be cool
[02:08] <raphink> zblach: not that I know of
[02:08] <reconciliation> fresh install is better updates are disasters
[02:08] <raphink> reconciliation: hmm sure
[02:08] <bleaked> yes, i'm very interested..but currently i have very, very, very minimal coding skills.
[02:08] <raphink> bleaked: are you willing to help with dapper debugging?
[02:08] <reconciliation> :)
[02:09] <raphink> bleaked: we need testers/reporters/trackers/fixers
[02:09] <raphink> if you're volunteering
[02:09] <raphink> ;)
[02:10] <bleaked> yes, i would be interested..my life is relatively busy though..
[02:10] <raphink> bleaked: my coding skills are limited too, if that makes you feel better
[02:10] <raphink> ;)
[02:10] <bleaked> idk if there is a requirement of time or something..
[02:10] <bleaked> i doubt it
[02:10] <bleaked> being oss and all..
[02:10] <raphink> there's no requirement
[02:10] <raphink> you're welcome to contribute, that's it
[02:11] <raphink> the only requirement is to not criticize the work of volunteers without volunteering as much :)
[02:11] <raphink> hehe
[02:11] <raphink> I don't say that for you, just because there are so many people complaining without doing anything ;)
[02:11] <jtshaw> raphink: I'm voluntering if you guys need help
[02:11] <raphink> jtshaw: what can you do?
[02:12] <raphink> right now what we need the most is testing/bug  tracking/bug fixing
[02:12] <bleaked> raphink. well, i'm on my way out..
[02:12] <bleaked> do i need to contact anyone
[02:12] <jtshaw> raphink: I develop software for linux by trade and I've been using various linux distro's since 1997 so I'm pretty good at hacking around
[02:13] <raphink> hehe
[02:13] <bleaked> or do anything atm?
[02:13] <raphink> bleaked: do you know how to use malone?
[02:13] <raphink> jtshaw: great
[02:13] <raphink> jtshaw: what do you develop?
[02:14] <jtshaw> raphink: Mostly our proprietary app, but I've done kernel development.. I'm most comfortable dealing with C and C++ code.. but given a little bit of time I can learn most anything
[02:14] <raphink> nice :)
[02:14] <raphink> kubuntu devs gather on #kubuntu-devel
[02:14] <raphink> and you're obviously welcome to come there :)
[02:15] <zblach> hey, where is printer information stored?
[02:15] <zblach> esp. cups
[02:15] <jtshaw> I'll have to check that out, thanks for the info
[02:15] <raphink> zblach: how do you mean?
[02:15] <raphink> jtshaw: thanks for helping :)
[02:16] <raphink> we have tons of bugs to triage/track/fix
[02:16] <raphink> any help is welcome, especially from experienced devs
[02:17] <zblach> raphink, the kprinter menu locks, so i'd like to remove any existing printing info and retry
[02:17] <raphink> zblach: did you try the http interface?
[02:18] <zblach> ?
[02:18] <jtshaw> http://localhost:631
[02:19] <zblach> never thought of that
[02:19] <raphink> heh ;)
[02:19] <raphink> no need for a graphical interface to administrate cups
[02:19] <raphink> thankfully :)
[02:19] <jtshaw> ya.. if your really desperate you can use lpadmin on the command line...
[02:20] <raphink> hehe
[02:20] <raphink> yes
[02:20] <raphink> links with localhost:631 works fine
[02:20] <raphink> :)
[02:20] <zblach> strange. server timeout
[02:21] <jtshaw> sadly when I first started using cups I didn't realize the web thing was there
[02:21] <jtshaw> It was soon after that I decided sometimes it was a good idea to read the docs first...
[02:22] <raphink> hehe
[02:22] <jtshaw> !bug
[02:22] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:23] <raphink> !malone
[02:23] <raphink> pff
[02:23] <raphink> stupid bot
[02:23] <zblach> more likely an /etc/net../int.. error. i've been messing with that for a while. what should the local loopback read?
[02:24] <raphink> breezy zblach?
[02:25] <zblach> raphink, yup
[02:25] <raphink> I don't have a breezy box here, can't check
[02:25] <zblach> primary workstation. as tempting as dapper sounds, maybe not yet
[02:26] <raphink> hehe
[02:27] <zblach> regardless, i should be able to ping 127.0.0.1, right?
[02:28] <raphink> you should yes
[02:28] <raphink> can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces into a pastebin?
[02:28] <zblach> hrm
[02:28] <zblach> !pastebin
[02:28] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar ,
[02:30] <zblach> raphink,http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10700
[02:32] <jindiaz> hey guys, whats a good system monitor for kde?
[02:32] <raphink> hmm
[02:32] <raphink> ksysguard? :)
[02:32] <jindiaz> cpu, mobo temp, etc
[02:32] <raphink> ah
[02:32] <zblach> strange. i can't admin access control center
[02:32] <raphink> depends
[02:33] <jindiaz> depend on whut??
[02:33] <raphink> if you want a nice stuff on your desktp you might want to look at superkaramba themes jindiaz
[02:33] <raphink> zblach: are you up-to-date ?
[02:33] <jindiaz> preferasbly something i could have running at all times
[02:33] <raphink> jindiaz: you know you can access ksysguard with ctrl+esc ?
[02:33] <zblach> raphink, i
[02:34] <zblach> 'm pretty sure
[02:34] <JohnFlux> raphink: better to run it from the menu
[02:34] <jindiaz> cool, im checking it out now.  and yah i knew that, but i need mobo temp, cpu temp, fan revolution speed, etc
[02:34] <raphink> JohnFlux: hmm yes right, it's not the same
[02:34] <raphink> jindiaz: you need to install the sensors packages first iirc
[02:34] <raphink> JohnFlux: oh nice :)
[02:34] <JohnFlux> and yeah, I know it sucks
[02:35] <jindiaz> sensors package?
[02:35] <JohnFlux> but it's looking nice for kde4 ;)
[02:35] <jindiaz> whats that?
[02:35] <raphink> good :)
[02:35] <JohnFlux> jindiaz: lmsensors i think
[02:35] <raphink> jindiaz: apt-cache search sensors
[02:35] <raphink> you'll see
[02:35] <raphink> JohnFlux: yes that's it thanks :)
[02:35] <JohnFlux> jindiaz: i think you'll like the superkaramba desklets
[02:35] <raphink> jindiaz: then as i said you might want to use superkaramba themes
[02:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[02:36] <jindiaz> hmmm cool cool, ill check it out now, and going to get that lmsensors thing
[02:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> lm-sensors is the package FYI
[02:40] <zblach> ok. network restart lets me ping myself, but i still can't connect to http://localhost:631
[02:41] <jindiaz> o cool thanks alot man
[02:42] <jindiaz> umm question though, how come it wont come up?
[02:44] <jindiaz> its not like working
[02:44] <jindiaz> lol
[02:44] <jindiaz> nothing comes up when i press restore
[02:44] <jindiaz> and i cant seem to get the setting sot apply
[02:44] <raphink> not sure, but you might have to reboot once you install the sensors
[02:45] <jindiaz> hmmm ok, ill try that really quickly then
[02:49] <Dr_House> what do you guys use you to play avis?
[02:49] <zblach> now cups refuses to connect
[02:50] <raphink> Dr_House: kaffeine here
[02:51] <constantine-xvi> anyone have trouble with printers in dapper?
[02:51] <Dr_House> raphink, how did you configure it to play files properly/
[02:51] <Dr_House> ?
[02:51] <constantine-xvi> cant connect to local non-hp printers
[02:51] <raphink> install w32codecs
[02:51] <raphink> !restrictedformats
[02:51] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[02:51] <jtshaw> constantine-xvi: Yes... use http://localhost:631 to configure if the interface isn't working for you yet
[02:52] <jtshaw> the gui interface that is..
[02:53] <zblach> -___-?
[02:53] <zblach> now localhost is asking me for a username and password...
[02:53] <constantine-xvi> jtshaw: when i got to device, i didn't see an option for USB, like i did in breezy
[02:54] <constantine-xvi> saw nearly everything but straight usb or parallel
[02:54] <jtshaw> does it appear that the usb modules are loaded?
[02:55] <constantine-xvi> jtshaw: general usb? they're definitley loaded.  printers: not sure
[02:55] <constantine-xvi> in breezy, i saw a list of "USB Printer #1-> x"
[02:55] <Dr_House> raphink, thanks
[02:55] <constantine-xvi> not now
[02:56] <jtshaw> if you look in dmesg do you see it detected?
[02:56] <constantine-xvi> yes
[02:57] <constantine-xvi> but kprint or the cups page doesn't seem to give an option for local printers
[02:57] <Dr_House> raphink .. there doesn't seem to be an amd64 version of "w32codecs"
[02:58] <jtshaw> that is a good point constantine.. I don't have it either.. didn't notice before because all my printers are on the network
[02:58] <jtshaw> dr_house: that is because they are 32bit binaries I'd guess
[02:58] <constantine-xvi> going to check launchpad for a report
[03:04] <constantine-xvi> found a few instances of this bug on launchpad
[03:08] <LaserJock> heah, is there anybody that has scientific apps installed?
[03:10] <okrim> yup
[03:10] <okrim> though, im not on my normal box at the moment
[03:10] <LaserJock> Is there a "Science" menu in KDE?
[03:10] <okrim> erm, ya, i think so
[03:11] <LaserJock> okrim: and it isn't under Educational?
[03:11] <okrim> ah, it may be educational
[03:11] <okrim> i rarely use the menu.. all links on the desktop for me.. heh
[03:11] <LaserJock> np, thanks
[03:34] <purplefeltangel> ok, say i want to delete all the KDE packages from my computer because i totally screwed something up and can't uninstall kubuntu-desktop, so i need to reinstall it but it won't let me because it's screwed up. what would be the best way to accomplish that without further wrecking my system?
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> purplefeltangel: Assuming you have ubuntu-desktop installed (or xubuntu-desktop), try http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage
[03:35] <bimberi> purplefeltangel: removing libqt3-mt will take pretty much all of KDE with it
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, that  too
[03:36] <purplefeltangel> thank you both
[03:36] <bimberi> Oh,  that  too
[03:36] <purplefeltangel> will either of those things mess up my computer?
[03:36] <bimberi> :)
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not other than removing KDE. ;)
[03:36] <me2win> !LAMP
[03:36] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[03:37] <bimberi> purplefeltangel: you'll still have at least a minimal install that can connect to the 'net so you can install things back again
[03:37] <purplefeltangel> bimberi: well i have ubuntu-desktop installed
[03:39] <me2win> !qemu
[03:39] <ubotu> qemu is, like, totally, an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[03:40] <bimberi> bimberi: so you should still have gnome etc. then :)  none of ubuntu-desktop's dependencies need libqt3-mt so it should all still be there if you uninstall it
[03:46] <me2win> !avi
[03:46] <ubotu> I guess avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:48] <me2win> !repos
[03:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:51] <Red_Herring> !easyubuntu
[03:51] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[03:51] <Red_Herring> IT DOESNT WORK FOR PPC!
[03:53] <ubuntu_rocks> anyone have problems with kubuntu desktop freezing up or not responding properly?
[03:55] <me2win> ubuntu_rocks, thats a pretty vague description for a problem
[03:58] <mendred> ubuntu_rocks: which version of kubuntu are u using?
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubuntu_rocks: No. What are you doing to it? :P
[03:58] <ubuntu_rocks> lol the latest flight 5
[03:59] <mendred> ubuntu_rocks: hmmm..when is this freeze happening? randomly?
[03:59] <ubuntu_rocks> iknow its vague, but i've re installed it twice and it will install no problem but once installed and i goto menu items  eg. open office.. it wont load
[03:59] <ubuntu_rocks> yes randomly
[03:59] <ubuntu_rocks> regularly ubuntu works fine (gnome)
[03:59] <mendred> installed from cd?
[03:59] <ubuntu_rocks> yes
[04:00] <mendred> try updating
[04:00] <ubuntu_rocks> isn't kubuntu flight 5 the latest version of kde?
[04:01] <mendred> i meant update from the repos
[04:01] <mendred> using synaptic/adept
[04:01] <mendred> whatever u use
[04:01] <ubuntu_rocks> ok ill have to try that
[04:02] <mendred> run a full system upgrade
[04:02] <mendred> and then see if the problem continues
[04:02] <ubuntu_rocks> ok i dont think its my system because i've tried it on two diffent systems and both seem to react the same way
[04:02] <mendred> out of curiosity does ur mouse cursor also freeze?
[04:02] <ubuntu_rocks> yes
[04:02] <mendred> hmmm do an update
[04:02] <mendred> that should resolve it
[04:03] <ubuntu_rocks> doyou know what update actually fixes the problem by chance?
[04:03] <mendred> incidentally have u enabled hard disk write caching?
[04:03] <ubuntu_rocks> ummm.. unless it is enabled by default then no
[04:04] <mendred> can u do
[04:04] <ubuntu_rocks> how do i do it?
[04:04] <mendred> sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda
[04:04] <mendred> and just see if there is a asterix against write cache
[04:05] <mendred> and are u using a laptop?
[04:05] <ubuntu_rocks> yes i am using a laptop
[04:05] <mendred> k join the club..i had the same problem as urs :)
[04:06] <mendred> update ur system it should solve it
[04:06] <ubuntu_rocks> my other system was a desktop though and it did the same thing
[04:07] <mendred> well do a full system upgrade using adept..and just see if that resolves it
[04:08] <ubuntu_rocks> by the way there is an asterisk beside write cache
[04:08] <mendred> hmmm...figures
[04:08] <ubuntu_rocks> thats on my ubuntu laptop im on now
[04:09] <mendred> k...
[04:10] <ubuntu_rocks> whats the diff between adept and synaptic?
[04:10] <mendred> both do the same thing..
[04:10] <mendred> synaptic is much older
[04:10] <ubuntu_rocks> oh  do u think adept is better?
[04:10] <mendred> hmmm nopes
[04:11] <mendred> i use synaptic all the time...
[04:11] <mendred> cause i am used to it
[04:11] <ubuntu_rocks> ok just wondering thats all :)
[04:11] <mendred> but adept is supposed to be the kubuntu package manager
[04:11] <mendred> i really can't say
[04:11] <mendred> cause i dont really use adept that much
[04:12] <ubuntu_rocks> ok well thanks for all the info thus far.. i really appreciate it. I'll go get rid of suse 10 on my desktop and re-install kubuntu flight 5 and do updates and see if it fixes the problem
[04:12] <ubuntu_rocks> do u know which desktop  uses the least amount of resources? gnome or kde?
[04:12] <mendred> historically gnome...
[04:13] <mendred> but haven't used gnome for a while
[04:13] <mendred> i guess kde is always a little more resource intensive
[04:13] <ubuntu_rocks> hmm ok
[04:14] <mendred> but to me a little bit more easier to use in the sense u can do exactly what u want..
[04:14] <ubuntu_rocks> with kde?
[04:14] <mendred> yes
[04:14] <mendred> i would suggest u try both
[04:14] <mendred> and decide what u like
[04:14] <mendred> it depends from person to person
[04:14] <ubuntu_rocks> ya i've used both and i prefer kde.. just seems to have more useful apps with it as well
[04:15] <mendred> well...gnome philosophy is to simplify things..
[04:15] <mendred> so the number of apps will probably be lesser
[04:16] <ubuntu_rocks> ugh.. if you simplify things too much it weakens the product (just my opinion)
[04:16] <mendred> but again apps can be used in either...
[04:16] <mendred> well u can run amarok in gnome and gimp in kde
[04:16] <mendred> for eg.
[04:16] <ubuntu_rocks> but you cant run koffice in gnome though correct
[04:16] <ubuntu_rocks> ?
[04:17] <mendred> i dont see why not :)
[04:17] <ubuntu_rocks> hmmok
[04:17] <tristanmike> you can run it, but it's windows and buttons don't adapt to the "Gnome Lifestyle" as I understand it
[04:17] <fatejudger> it works like crap
[04:17] <fatejudger> and Gnome is slow anyways
[04:17] <mendred> tristanmike: i stand corrected
[04:18] <mendred> ubuntu
[04:18] <ubuntu_rocks> :)
[04:18] <mendred> ubuntu_rocks: Like i said i am the wrong person to ask these..last gnome i used was what 2.8..
[04:18] <mendred> <a href="http://mendred.bravejournal.com">
[04:18] <mendred> here</a>
[04:18] <mendred> eep
[04:18] <mendred> sorry
[04:18] <mendred> this touch pad
[04:18] <tristanmike> I <3 them all equally, they all have a purpose
[04:19] <mendred> is too sensitive
[04:21] <msingh> flight
[04:21] <ubuntu_rocks> thanks again everyone :)
[04:22] <ubuntu_rocks> good nite or morning
[04:22] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to make one kicker panel transparent and the other one not?
[04:22] <jesusfish> anyone here know how to make KDE/XGL/compiz-gnome work?
[04:22] <fatejudger> jesusfish: video card?
[04:22] <jesusfish> fatejudger: nVidia 6200
[04:22] <jesusfish> fatejudger: used it with a XGL live CD already
[04:22] <Dr_House> wiki mentions that w32codecs dont work with amd64 and says this is a fix: Some people on AMD64 solve this problem by installing a 32-bit version of the operating system inside a chroot (such as via Linux Vserver or [WWW]  dchroot), and this works very well.    .. anyone know what that means?
[04:23] <fatejudger> jesusfish: there's a howto for nvidia cards on the forums
[04:23] <fatejudger> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=147711&page=3
[04:23] <fatejudger> you're lucky, I have an ATI
[04:23] <fatejudger> which doesn't work
[04:23] <fatejudger> at least in KDE
[04:24] <fatejudger> you'll have to go to the first page
[04:25] <jesusfish> fatejudger: thx
[04:25] <fatejudger> jesusfish: np
[04:27] <me2win> !repos
[04:27] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:27] <fatejudger> me2win: wtf are you doing here?
[04:29] <me2win> fatejudger, im always on here
[04:29] <[BreliC] > hey, is there a kubuntu+xgl channel?
[04:30] <leif_> anyone got agood howto/idea how to get all codecs to work in Kaffein?
[04:30] <me2win> ubotu, tell leif_ about restricted
[04:32] <bimberi> !xgl
[04:32] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[04:32] <purplefeltangel> omg?!
[04:33] <purplefeltangel> why is kubuntu-desktop going to take like 3 hrs to download??!!
[04:33] <purplefeltangel> i dont remember it taking that long the first time o_o;
[04:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Connection must be slower
[04:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> ;)
[04:34] <purplefeltangel> GHEY ;.;
[04:38] <jtshaw> !dev
[04:38] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jtshaw
[04:41] <jtshaw> ok.. I'll bite (having a blond moment here).. anyone know the the kubuntu dev channel is?
[04:48] <okrim> #kubuntu-devel
[04:49] <jtshaw> thanks...
[04:49] <okrim> np
[04:50] <erofee> hi guys and girls
[04:50] <okrim> hi
[04:50] <erofee> can anyone suggest a good starting point for a person completely new to Kubuntu and Linux
[04:50] <okrim> installing it? :P
[04:51] <okrim> not sure where to point you.. what are you looking for exactly?
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> I know somewhere
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> Just gotta find it
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:51] <okrim> know what?
[04:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://kudos.berlios.de/
[04:51] <Dr_House> dammit .. is there no way to play divx files on breezy with amd64 architecture
[04:52] <okrim> oh.. heh
[04:54] <robotgeek> Dr_House, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:56] <Dr_House> robotgeek i checked that, but none of it is workign for me
[04:57] <Dr_House> i enabled universe and multiverse repos but i can't find anything in the 'other non-free formats section'
[04:57] <robotgeek> Dr_House: i think vlc plays divx
[04:58] <Dr_House> i'll try that out, thanks
[04:58] <Dr_House> oh, awesome .. it works
[05:00] <leif_> how do i assosiate wmv with VLC ?
[05:04] <jesusfish> hmm...anyone using XGL know why gnome-window-manager starts but I have no winddecs?
[05:05] <robotgeek> !xgl
[05:05] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:10] <darkmatter> Hello
[05:10] <darkmatter> Can someone help me with installing kubuntu to a secondary hard drive from the dvd?
[05:11] <darkmatter> I downloaded the Dapper Drake dvd and it took me about 2 days, so id rather not give up
[05:11] <darkmatter> anyone?
[05:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[05:12] <robotgeek> darkmatter: moment
[05:12] <darkmatter> ok
[05:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> What have you done so far?
[05:12] <darkmatter> downloaded the newest i86 iso, burned to dvd, booted in live mode, then restarted and tried to install
[05:13] <darkmatter> but it wouldnt recognize any device
[05:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Grr, never tried using a live installer
[05:13] <darkmatter> i tried hda, hdb, hdc, hdd
[05:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Afraid I'll have to pass
[05:14] <darkmatter> well, the installer isnt live
[05:14] <darkmatter> Its in the linux boot menu
[05:14] <darkmatter> or whatever is after bios
[05:15] <darkmatter> hmm
[05:15] <darkmatter> jesusfish
[05:15] <darkmatter> i prefer christmuffin
[05:15] <darkmatter> rolls of the tongue a bit easier
[05:16] <jesusfish> lol
[05:18] <darkmatter> i never quite understand IRC's.....
[05:18] <darkmatter> lists tons of people on but no one talks
[05:18] <darkmatter> it frightens me
[05:18] <darkmatter> what is humanity becoming?
[05:18] <purplefeltangel> darkmatter: i talk. sometimes. :D
[05:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> I just haven't a clue what to do, therefore, I don't speak. :P
[05:18] <darkmatter> a voiceless mob of nothingness?
[05:18] <Arcanimus> good night all
[05:18] <darkmatter> ah
[05:18] <darkmatter> they speak!
[05:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[05:18] <purplefeltangel> rofl
[05:19] <purplefeltangel> i am cycling between channels to see if anything being said interests me
[05:19] <purplefeltangel> and getting support in ##windows
[05:19] <darkmatter> well
[05:19] <darkmatter> does that interest you?
[05:19] <purplefeltangel> but btw, this might be better for #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:19] <darkmatter> well, im here for on topic
[05:19] <darkmatter> but
[05:19] <darkmatter> no one seems to notice me
[05:19] <darkmatter> :/
[05:19] <purplefeltangel> sorry. what is your problem? :P
[05:19] <darkmatter> so i feel neglected
[05:20] <darkmatter> well, i downloaded the latest i86 kubuntu dapper dvd
[05:20] <darkmatter> took about 2 days
[05:20] <darkmatter> burned it to a dvd
[05:20] <darkmatter> live works fine
[05:20] <darkmatter> but i cant instal it to this secondary hard drive ive been itching to use
[05:20] <darkmatter> actually, got it specifically for dual booting linux
[05:21] <purplefeltangel> what specific problemsa re you having?
[05:21] <darkmatter> in the kubuntu boot menu, right after bios, when i choose "install to hard disk"  it starts, then says something like device does not exist
[05:21] <darkmatter> so, after trying the default it goes with
[05:21] <darkmatter> i tried hda, hdb, hdc, hdd
[05:22] <darkmatter> same thing
[05:22] <purplefeltangel> ooh :/
[05:22] <Dasnipa`> hda1
[05:22] <purplefeltangel> i have no idea there.
[05:22] <darkmatter> would that mean primary hard disk partition 1?
[05:22] <darkmatter> because I want to install it to my secondary hard drive
[05:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> hdb1 probably
[05:23] <Dasnipa`> yeah
[05:23] <jesusfish> do gconf/compiz settings take effect right away?
[05:23] <darkmatter> my primary is literally clogged to the point of a windows heart attack
[05:23] <darkmatter> hmm
[05:23] <darkmatter> have you guys installed dapper drake from the dvd yet?
[05:24] <purplefeltangel> i'm still on Breezy
[05:24] <purplefeltangel> terrified of upgrading :P
[05:24] <darkmatter> oh
[05:24] <purplefeltangel> rofl sorry i am not very helpful
[05:24] <darkmatter> i was gonna get breezy, but I read somewhere that i need dapper to install xgl
[05:25] <darkmatter> thats ok :)
[05:25] <darkmatter> does linux recognize NTFS disk format?
[05:25] <darkmatter> could that be the problem?
[05:25] <Dasnipa`> you can mount read only
[05:26] <darkmatter> ?
[05:26] <darkmatter> what would that do?
[05:26] <Dasnipa`> but no that shouldnt be a problem
[05:26] <darkmatter> ok
[05:26] <darkmatter> so in the installed
[05:26] <Dasnipa`> you can mount ntfs read only so you have access to your files... but write access is experimental
[05:26] <darkmatter> what should the command line be to install it to my secondary hd
[05:27] <darkmatter> or what is the difference between secondary and slave?
[05:27] <darkmatter> im not sure which it is
[05:28] <darkmatter> hmm
[05:28] <_soul> por favor alguem ai tem problemas com o kate
[05:28] <_soul> o meu nao abre nem a pau
[05:28] <darkmatter> well, ill try the hdb1
[05:28] <darkmatter> bye
[05:28] <_soul> fui desinstalar ele no apt e quase desinstalava o kubuntu junto
[05:28] <robotgeek> !es
[05:28] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> I think so
[05:28] <_soul> num tem ubuntu-br-br ?
[05:31] <bimberi> !br
[05:31] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[05:40] <Seith> lo
[05:44] <purplefeltangel> UH
[05:44] <purplefeltangel> if i am installing kubuntu-desktop and it asks me which display manager i want as default, what should i say?
[05:44] <koolatron> whatever your heart of heart moves you to truly choose
[05:44] <purplefeltangel> but like
[05:45] <purplefeltangel> i don't understand what choice i'm making
[05:45] <koolatron> (it doesn't matter.  gdm versus kdm is more a choice of aesthetics than anything else)
[05:45] <bimberi> purplefeltangel: essentially what login screen you want
[05:45] <purplefeltangel> :S i don't get it ;.; what *are* they?
[05:45] <koolatron> You start up your computer, and you get a graphical login screen
[05:45] <koolatron> that's your display manager.
[05:46] <purplefeltangel> oh
[05:46] <purplefeltangel> so if i want to stay with the one i have now, i choose . . . gdm?
[05:46] <koolatron> gdm is gnome's display manager, but it doesn't have a problem starting a kde session up for you if you've got kubuntu-desktop installed
[05:46] <koolatron> you can always change it if you don't like it
[05:46] <purplefeltangel> hokay thank you
[06:05] <purplefeltangel> ok say i have just installed kubuntu and i want to uninstall some unnecessary programs . . . what would be a list of everything i definitely should NOT touch?
[06:06] <nalioth> purplefeltangel: when you go to uninstall something, if it takes more than 3 dozen other things, that's one that should stay
[06:06] <purplefeltangel> errr . . .
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:09] <Hobbsee> you should definetly not touch libqt3-mt
[06:10] <purplefeltangel> hobbsee: no, i wouldn't think that would be a good idea.
[06:32] <_jonathan> is anyone there?
[06:33] <_jonathan> I'm wondering if there are any packages for nvidia 8178 for breezy
[06:34] <crimsun> no.
[06:34] <_jonathan> dang
[06:34] <_jonathan> I would like to use it because I understand it has much more stable compostite features
[06:35] <_jonathan> but I don't want to redo it everytime I upgrade the kernel
[06:35] <_jonathan> suggestions?
[06:35] <jayr168> how do I change mouse wheel sensitivity in gnome?
[06:36] <crimsun> _jonathan: afaik you'll have to redo it per-kernel upgrade
[06:37] <_jonathan> yeah, i knew that
[06:37] <_jonathan> i know it's not that big of a deal...it's just a lot easier with everything being .debs
[06:38] <_jonathan> and I wonder how much trouble it will be when I upgrade to dapper
[06:38] <crimsun> dapper has 8178 already
[06:40] <_jonathan> can i ask your honest opinion crimsun
[06:40] <_jonathan> do you think dapper is stable enough to upgrade to at this point?
[06:43] <nalioth> _jonathan: if you have to ask, then no.  one never knows when an update will come down and bodger the machine you put it on
[06:43] <nalioth> _jonathan: can you do without your machine if that happens? or work around the malfunction?
[06:44] <_jonathan> sure, but i dont like to :-)
[06:44] <_jonathan> i appreciate your straight forwardness
[06:46] <nalioth> _jonathan: i've got a machine right now that is deaf to any network, due to a bolluxed upgrade
[06:47] <_jonathan> well, i think i am going to wait
[06:47] <nalioth> _jonathan: i'll recover it in a week or two with a daily install disc or the next flight release
[06:47] <_jonathan> I enjoy everything how it is now. I just wanted the new drivers for the improved composite support
[06:47] <nalioth> but i've got lots of machines and none of my primary ones have dapper on them
[06:48] <_jonathan> this is true
[06:48] <_jonathan> and it wouldn't be so bad if i wouldn't have spent days tweaking and placing everything :-)
[06:50] <_jonathan> stupid question, there is a good chance I couldn't just use the dapper nvidia packages right
[06:53] <nalioth> _jonathan: most likely they'd cry out for their vintage of cohorts
[06:53] <_jonathan> thought so :)
[06:53] <_jonathan> dang
[06:53] <_jonathan> oh well, I'll just install the driver and wait for a few months till dapper is released and more stable
[06:54] <_jonathan> thank you again for your reasoning nalioth
[06:56] <nalioth> _jonathan: well, i don't like broken boxes
[06:56] <_jonathan> lol
[06:59] <_josh> hello?
[07:00] <_josh> hello
[07:01] <nalioth> hi
[07:01] <_josh_> i have a really n00bish question
[07:01] <_josh_> how do i enable NTFS support in Kubuntu?
[07:01] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _josh_ about ntfs
[07:02] <nalioth> priv msg inbound
[07:02] <nalioth> you won't have write support, just read
[07:02] <morzel> _josh_:
[07:02] <_josh_> thanks alot
[07:02] <_josh_> yes?
[07:02] <morzel> edit fstab
[07:02] <morzel>  /dev/hda5       /media/hda5     ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222        0       0
[07:02] <morzel> and then
[07:02] <morzel> sudo umount -a
[07:03] <morzel> mount -a
[07:03] <morzel> sudo mount -a
[07:03] <nalioth> morzel: if you're gonna intruct, please be more comprehensive
[07:03] <morzel> hmmm
[07:04] <_josh_> yeah, im a real n00b, new into Linux
[07:04] <_josh_> and i have no idea what your talking about
[07:04] <morzel> nalioth: what does this word mean: comprehensive?
[07:04] <morzel> i have a bad english :(
[07:04] <nalioth> morzel: means you forgot to tell _josh_ to "sudo mkdir /media/hda5" or w/e
[07:05] <nalioth> _josh_: read the pm ubotu sent you, that will be easiest
[07:05] <morzel> you don't need mkdir
[07:05] <morzel> it's doing at install kubuntu
[07:05] <morzel> you have a trouble with only permissions
[07:06] <_josh_> im reading it, thanks
[07:08] <_josh_> is there a type of copy and paste key combination in Kubuntu?
[07:08] <MadSekkai> How do I check to see if a file is installed?
[07:09] <admrl> _josh ctrl-c ctrl-v
[07:09] <morzel> ctrl-insert shift-insert
[07:09] <nalioth> MadSekkai: alt-f2 > adept
[07:09] <admrl> MadSekkai: dpkg -l | grep programname on the command line
[07:09] <_josh_> Ctrl-V doesnt work within the terminal does it
[07:10] <morzel> yes
[07:10] <morzel> shift-insert works
[07:10] <admrl> _josh and if your mouse has 3 buttons
[07:10] <nalioth> _josh_: depends on the terminal
[07:10] <morzel> try it
[07:10] <admrl> try clicking the middle button
[07:10] <MadSekkai> Well. I have a big problem.
[07:10] <MadSekkai> Let's say like I have a window open on the right... like XChat or something.
[07:10] <_josh_> ooo it did work, thanks
[07:10] <MadSekkai> and I try to rename a file on my Desktop... it doesn't let me.
[07:11] <MadSekkai> When I type nothing happens.
[07:12] <MadSekkai> Why doesn't it work, and how do I fix it?
[07:14] <MadSekkai> anyone?
[07:15] <_josh_> it said it couldnt find the disks!
[07:16] <_josh_> no suitable windows/mac disks found(which i have both an NTFS and HFS+ partitions)
[07:22] <fatejudger> !dma
[07:23] <morzel> _josh_: what is the output of the "sudo fdisk -l" command?
[07:23] <morzel> and what is in your fstab?
[07:24] <_josh_> i ran the script and got the error
[07:25] <_josh_> now, the website i was sent, is going into the manual method
[07:25] <_josh_> which i believe is what you said
[07:26] <_josh_> my god this is confusing
[07:26] <nalioth> _josh_: type in a console "sudo fdisk -l"
[07:27] <nalioth> _josh_: that error msg is quite common, even after the script has functioned properly
[07:27] <_josh_> ok, i have the list now
[07:27] <nalioth> _josh_: do you see your partitions in it?
[07:27] <_josh_> yes i do
[07:28] <nalioth> good! :)
[07:28] <_josh_> muy bueno!
[07:28] <_josh_> what next ;>
[07:32] <_josh_> nalioth
[07:32] <_josh_> cmon man
[07:32] <nalioth_zZz> _josh_: what?
[07:32] <_josh_> ha, i thought you left
[07:32] <nalioth_zZz> _josh_: your fstab has been augmented
[07:32] <_josh_> i have this partition list
[07:32] <nalioth_zZz> your disks will mount automatically now
[07:33] <_josh_> i never actually did anything though
[07:33] <_josh_> i just listed the partitions
[07:33] <nalioth_zZz> then nothing actually happened
[07:33] <_josh_> thats the problem. storage media still does show my media partition
[07:33] <nalioth_zZz> if you ran the script using 'sudo', you've accomplished what you requested
[07:33] <nalioth_zZz> use your file manager
[07:34] <nalioth_zZz> night
[07:34] <_josh_> shit
[07:35] <_josh_> this was supposed to be "the peoples linux"
[07:35] <nalioth_zZz> _josh_: people need sleep. i've been in here over 12 hours today
[07:35] <_josh_> by all means sleep dude. g'night
[07:36] <nalioth_zZz> if you ask nicely there are people who can help you
[07:39] <nalioth_zZz> or don't
[07:42] <quickquestion> is there a localisation file for albanian (in terms of KDE)
[07:45] <us> why is everything in the most bleeding edge KDE so huge
[07:45] <quickquestion> us good question
[07:45] <Tsagadai> its driving me crazy
[07:46] <Tsagadai> does it have a fix
[07:50] <Tsagadai> well can anyone help with the latest kubuntu upgrade having an unusably large font and window size?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> Tsagadai: breezy or dapper?
[07:55] <Tsagadai> dapper
[07:56] <tijnAFK> can i force apt to remove something?
[07:56] <Tsagadai> i ran an apt-get upgrade yesterday and today everything is so large i had to change to a higher res monitor
[07:56] <Tsagadai> apt-get remove i think
[07:57] <Hobbsee> Tsagadai: when did you last upgrade?
[07:58] <Tsagadai> yesterday
[07:58] <Hobbsee> and what are your fonts set to, in system settings?
[07:58] <Tsagadai> like 12 hours ago
[07:58] <tijnAFK> Tsagadai: no i mean like force
[07:58] <Tsagadai> in system settings size 5 at the moment(and still huge) in zorg.conf 75dpi
[07:58] <Tsagadai> rm works :)
[07:59] <tijn> haha
[07:59] <Hobbsee> *scratches head*
[07:59] <Hobbsee> i wonder what happened there - it should be set to 96 dpi, with the fonts at around 10-11
[07:59] <Hobbsee> iv'e got no idea, sorry - i havent noticed any changes on my system today, also running dapper
[07:59] <Tsagadai> ive changed both settings
[08:00] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[08:00] <Tsagadai> they offered minor fixes
[08:00] <Tsagadai> ive seen some talk on the web it has something to do with nvidia
[08:01] <Hobbsee> could well do - google?
[08:01] <Tsagadai> <<running GF4-460
[08:01] <Tsagadai> hasn't turned up much so i came here
[08:02] <Hobbsee> i see
[08:02] <Tsagadai> is there some way to revert to my previous version
[08:02] <Hobbsee> personally, i dont know.  then again, i dont know everything.
[08:02] <Tsagadai> who does :)
[08:03] <Hobbsee> maybe someone else who's here?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> if you grab the old deb, you can usually install it by sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:03] <Hobbsee> old deb will be in /var/cache/apt/archives, among other places
[08:03] <Hobbsee> oh, and file a bug for it on malone
[08:05] <Tsagadai> yay more bugs!
[08:05] <Tsagadai> i found a few yesterday as well :)
[08:06] <Tsagadai> nothing major or hard to fix
[08:07] <iGadget> morning
[08:07] <Hobbsee> what di dyou find yesterday?
[08:07] <tijn> Hey
[08:07] <Hobbsee> hi iGadget
[08:07] <tijn> dutchie :D
[08:07] <iGadget> righto
[08:07] <iGadget> anyone running dapper already?
[08:07] <tijn> yep
[08:08] <iGadget> great... I have this very weird problem with x.org
[08:08] <Tsagadai> several minor overruns in ark
[08:08] <Tsagadai> hit us with the prob gadget
[08:08] <iGadget> I have a 1600x1200 flatpanel connected, but I only get to use it up to 1280x1024
[08:09] <iGadget> I already edited x.org.conf to comment any other modelines etc that do not say 1600x1200
[08:09] <iGadget> then I killed kdm by using ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:09] <iGadget> but it keeps coming back @ 1280x1024
[08:10] <iGadget> where does kdm / kde get it's config from, if not from x.org.conf?
[08:10] <iGadget> Or do I actually have to reboot for this? :\
[08:10] <tijn> nope
[08:11] <tijn> kde runs on the xserver so, it gets its config from there
[08:11] <iGadget> tijn: that's what I thought...
[08:11] <iGadget> but if so, 1280x1024 shouldn't be available anymore whatsoever
[08:11] <tijn> well, you changed your xorg.conf.. do have more lines in it with resolutions?
[08:12] <iGadget> what's also funny, is that when I installed the nvidia binary drivers yesterday, I could scale up to 1600x1200. But after a reboot, things were all back @ 1280x1024
[08:12] <iGadget> tijn: yes, but they're all commented out
[08:12] <iGadget> all of them, except the 1600x1200 ones
[08:12] <tijn> ok
[08:13] <tijn> and if you look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[08:14] <tijn> can you paste it @ pastebin?
[08:14] <iGadget> sure
[08:16] <iGadget> hmmm... this sounds bad:
[08:16] <iGadget> (II) NV(0): Mode "1600x1200@60" is larger than BIOS programmed panel size of 1280 x 1024.  Removing.
[08:16] <iGadget> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10712
[08:17] <iGadget> sounds like the nv driver is doing some probing on it's own and ignoring xorg.conf...
[08:18] <tijn> mmh yes, i think thats why it doesnt work
[08:18] <iGadget> -sigh-
[08:18] <iGadget> then why did it work yesterday? :\
[08:19] <tijn> it might be your nvidia driver
[08:21] <iGadget> it's the one shipping with kubuntu dapper
[08:21] <iGadget> the latest afaik
[08:21] <tijn> mmh
[08:22] <iGadget> 'shipping' as soon as you add universe, that is
[08:22] <tijn> well, larger than BIOS programmed..
[08:22] <iGadget> NV(0): I2C bus "DDC" initialized.
[08:22] <iGadget> maybe I should disable i2c?
[08:23] <iGadget> don't probe, just keep the specified settings
[08:23] <tijn> dont know you can try it
[08:23] <iGadget> will do
[08:25] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[08:25] <ubotu> well, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto, or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[08:25] <Hobbsee> !no ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[08:25] <ubotu> Hobbsee: okay
[08:25] <Hobbsee> stupid commas.
[08:36] <iGadget> re
[08:36] <iGadget> still no luck
[08:36] <iGadget> i2c module is happily ignored
[08:36] <iGadget> and probed directly by the nvidia driver
[08:37] <iGadget> let's try commenting module 'ddc' now
[08:38] <tijn> wierd
[08:39] <iGadget> -sigh-
[08:39] <iGadget> no effect
[08:39] <tijn> mmmh
[08:40] <tijn> you could try a dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[08:40] <tijn> erhm
[08:41] <tijn> you could try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:41] <tijn> so you reconfigure it
[08:41] <iGadget> will do
[08:41] <iGadget> Or... I should check dell for a panel BIOS update
[08:42] <iGadget> since it's reporting it's native res wrong
[08:42] <iGadget> (hell, I didn't even know tft's HAD a bios...)
[08:43] <tijn> me neither :)
[08:43] <tijn> you could try a reconfigure
[08:43] <tijn> dont think its ur screen
[08:45] <Steven_M> hi all
[08:45] <tijn> hey
[08:47] <Steven_M> which apt-get source would be the best one to downlod kde 5.1 from?
[08:48] <kosh> I would try one that has a time machine
[08:48] <kosh> since kde 3.5.1 is the most current version :)
[08:49] <kosh> if you manage to get 5.1 can you send me the source code? :)
[08:54] <iGadget> tijn: just ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... let's pray ;)
[08:54] <tijn> ik bid ff stukje mee ;)
[08:55] <iGadget> no change...
[08:55] <iGadget> whatsoever
[08:55] <iGadget> -sigh-
[08:55] <tijn> wierd
[08:55] <iGadget> oh yes, something has changed - it's now @ 85Hz instead of 60
[08:55] <iGadget> hurray
[08:55] <iGadget> NOT
[08:56] <Steven_M> kosh: sorry I meant 3.5.1
[08:56] <Steven_M> :)
[08:56] <iGadget> Steven_M: try dapper flight5, has 3.5.1 included
[08:58] <kosh> if you are using breezy tnen kde 3.5.1 is here deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[09:01] <iGadget> tijn: fixed it!
[09:01] <tijn> sweet
[09:01] <tijn> how
[09:02] <iGadget> apparently, the nvidia driver wasn't properly installed
[09:02] <iGadget> ran nvidia-xconfig again - boom - working
[09:02] <tijn> ah sweet
[09:03] <Steven_M> thank  kosh
[09:03] <iGadget> so... driver 'nv' is bad
[09:03] <iGadget> driver 'nvidia' is good
[09:03] <iGadget> :)
[09:22] <Russel> hiho
[09:23] <Russel> can anybody tell me what skim is? running after an upgrade on my station
[09:24] <robotgeek> Russel: skim is to allow input in non-english languages
[09:25] <Tm_T> ?
[09:25] <Tm_T> you mean non-latin characters?
[09:25] <robotgeek> Tm_T: :)
[09:26] <Tm_T> because I speak non-english language and yet can write all without skim ;)
[09:26] <Tm_T> robotgeek: share it
[09:26] <robotgeek> Tm_T: noted
[09:27] <Tm_T> oh well
[09:27] <robotgeek> time for bed, so later
[09:27] <Russel> so i need it? at the moment this semes useless
[09:27] <Tm_T> robotgeek_zzz: good night :)
[09:27] <Tm_T> Russel: I doubt you need it
[09:28] <Russel> ok... thx
[09:28] <Tm_T> just kill it and see if you miss something
[09:28] <Tm_T> if not, it's useless to you
[09:30] <alexnicol> Morning
[09:33] <alexnicol> Does anyone know owt about printer drivers?
[09:46] <simian> morning
[09:54] <glick> scuse me i installed kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, and the first thing i notice is that the fonts are why crappily large
[09:54] <glick> whats wit dat?
[09:54] <visik7> is there any inconvenience in using a vanilla kernel over the ubuntu kernel? I mean: is there some patches vital for ubuntu not privided by vanilla kernel ?
[09:56] <glick> anyone?
[10:03] <planB> glick, run xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[10:03] <planB> glick so what's your dpi?
[10:03] <glick> another question is 3.4.3 not the version i want to be using?
[10:04] <iGadget> wtf... just installed nvidia driver
[10:04] <glick> sh: xpdyinfo: command not found
[10:04] <iGadget> but  the KDE display settings still say the 'nv' driver is loaded
[10:04] <iGadget> what's that all about
[10:04] <planB> sorry glick sudo apt-get install xdpyinfo first
[10:05] <glick> planB, it cant find the packate
[10:05] <glick> package
[10:07] <glick> i do like the file previews
[10:10] <simian> if xgl is working correctly do you still need nvidia/ati drivers or have i get the wrong end of the stick?
[10:15] <TobyK> 'lo
[10:15] <iGadget> gotta run
[10:16] <TobyK> i'm having issues with Kubuntu and usb drives, can anyone help?
[10:18] <TobyK> i'm having issues with Kubuntu and usb drives, can anyone help?
[10:47] <brunft> hi
[10:47] <brunft> running a fresh Kubuntu Breezy install
[10:47] <brunft> i now realized that there should be a menu "Window" in Konqueror
[10:47] <brunft> But there isn't :(
[10:49] <brunft> Any ideas why?
[10:49] <brunft> Or how to get it?
[10:53] <brunft> The menu "Go" (contained in a screenshot in the Konqueror help) is also missing :(
[10:58] <Blissex> brunft: Konqueror can be started in one of several profiles, perhaps the profile you are using does not have them yet.
[10:59] <Blissex> brunft: look at 'Settings:Load profile'
[10:59] <Blissex> brunft: look at 'Settings:Load view profile' and select a profile which is not the ''simple'' one.
[11:07] <brunft> Blissex: I don't even have the Settings:Load profile menu entry
[11:08] <Blissex> brunft: thats sort of unlikely. But le tm check how Konqueror looks with the simple profile
[11:09] <tijn> !kdm
[11:09] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tijn
[11:09] <tijn> meh
[11:09] <tijn> !kdmtheme
[11:09] <ubotu> tijn: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:09] <Blissex> brunft: BTW try typing in a terminal window: kfmclient openProfile 'Web Browsing'
[11:10] <brunft> Thats the command of my Konqueror link in the panel
[11:11] <brunft> If i run kfmclient without parameter seems to open also whe Web Browsing profile
[11:11] <brunft> is there a sort of complex/advanced profile i can load?
[11:12] <Blissex> brunft: that is the complex/advanced profile :-)
[11:12] <brunft> oh =)
[11:12] <Blissex> brunft: the profiles you can try have the names of the files in '~/.de/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[11:13] <Blissex> brunft: the profiles you can try have the names of the files in '~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[11:13] <Blissex> brunft: so try some other one.
[11:14] <tijn> how do i change the kdm theme?
[11:16] <brunft> Blissex: By default there is no such directory ... i now saved the current profile and it was created
[11:16] <Blissex> brunft: ahhh, that might explain something perhaps.
[11:16] <brunft> Blissex: How do i change the profile, especially add/change menu's?
[11:18] <Blissex> brunft: well, you change profile by changing Konqueror, and then saving. No idea about menus.
[11:19] <brunft> There are some other profiles, i see them if i save a profile, will try to find the location of them
[11:22] <Blissex> brunft: try 'locate konqueror/profile'
[11:23] <brunft> yo found it, but they also do not display my missing menu's ...
[11:24] <brunft> What i even do not understand is, why there is a menu entry to save profiles but none to load them
[11:24] <simian> does anybody know why kaudiocreator just pauses when you click on rip
[11:24] <simian> it's like it's waiting for something?
[11:38] <brunft> Blissex: Will post the issue into the Kubuntu forums, thanks for your help anyway
[11:38] <markc> howdy, I upgraded one machine to dapper, instead of install flight6 from scratch, and I don't seem to be able to switch to administration mode in the control panel (ie; for cups)... any suggestion what package(s) I might  be missing ?
[11:38] <markc> oops, I meant flight5
[11:41] <markc> or, what package is needed for KDE sudo under the hood ? (gksu or something perhaps?)
[11:46] <bimberi> markc: perhaps kdesu (which is part of the kdebase-bin)
[12:16] <reon> Hi
[12:20] <morzel> hi all
[12:20] <morzel> do you know, how can i change the default font of open office impress?
[12:20] <morzel> it's helvetica now, and i have a big problems with it
[12:23] <dash-> mm i just fully upgraded to latest drapper
[12:23] <dash-> now when kde comes to the login screen its all distorted
[12:23] <dash-> :/
[12:23] <dash-> if i do ctrl + alt f1
[12:23] <dash-> and then ctrl + alt f7
[12:24] <dash-> and it refreshes ok
[12:24] <dash-> and i can see it
[12:24] <dash-> dunno why i need to refresh
[12:26] <reon> I have the same issue
[12:26] <reon> busy upgrading my flight 5 install I did a few minutes ago
[12:32] <dash-> yeah im fully upgraded
[12:32] <dash-> still same prob
[12:33] <dash-> ive got an IBM T41
[12:33] <dash-> laptop
[12:35] <SkrotFFS> What prob?
[12:36] <dash-> read a few lines up
[12:37] <SkrotFFS> doesn't happend here :>
[12:37] <SkrotFFS> What does, however, is that closing the lid of my laptop causes acpid to use all my CPU..
[12:37] <dash-> lol
[12:37] <SkrotFFS> indeed
[12:38] <SkrotFFS> My CPU went up to 98 degrees celcius yesterday because of it..
[12:38] <dash-> LOL
[12:38] <SkrotFFS> Yeah.. pentium-m dies at ~100 ;)
[12:38] <dash-> hehe
[12:38] <SkrotFFS> I need to sort that shit out :p
[12:48] <tijn> how do i change the kdm theme?
[12:57] <_root> i apt-get install terminal but I cannot find it under the k menu
[12:57] <markc> anyone know what package allows for administration mode in the control panel ?
[12:57] <_root> why? where do I find it?
[12:58] <GNU_Style> i apt-get install terminal but I cannot find it under the k menu
[12:58] <markc> _root: do you mean konsole ?
[12:58] <GNU_Style> I have konsole, but I want the terminal in GNOME style
[12:59] <markc> it's probably in /usr/bin
[12:59] <markc> ie; start it from konsole, make sure you have the right program, then manually add it to kmenu
[01:00] <GNU_Style> its not the right one.. do you know the name of the default terminal in gnome?
[01:01] <GNU_Style> im having problems with 'konsole'
[01:01] <markc> no, sorry ... I'm perfectly happy with konsole, never used anything else, except bash
[01:01] <GNU_Style> is konsole = bash?
[01:02] <GNU_Style> my problem with konsole is if I paste something it add '2~' line
[01:02] <markc> yes, konsole uses bash as the actuall shell process
[01:02] <markc> apt-cache search terminal | grep gnome
[01:02] <iegary> GNU_Style: the default GNOME terminal is "gnome-terminal" (also the package name)
[01:03] <tijn> !beer
[01:03] <tijn> :D
[01:03] <GNU_Style> ohh ic
[01:03] <GNU_Style> when I used C-A-insert in konsole it adds a '2~' after the pasted text.. why?
[01:04] <markc> GNU_Style: that does nothing with my konsole settings
[01:05] <GNU_Style> example is I copied the text 'apt-get' and paste in to konsole it paste's 'apt-get2~' why is this so?
[01:05] <markc> GNU_Style: how did you copy it ?
[01:05] <iegary> the default insert shortcut is C-S-insert?
[01:05] <markc> so I can try the same thing
[01:06] <GNU_Style> ctrl+c  in a text file and paste it using ctrl+alt+insert in konsole
[01:06] <markc> yeah but how did you select the text in the first place ?
[01:06] <GNU_Style> i mean ctrl-alt is really ctrl-shift
[01:06] <GNU_Style> by highliting with the mouse
[01:07] <markc> heh, I'm confused, I just use the mouse to swipe whatever text I want to copy and paste it with the middle mouse button, never done it any other way
[01:08] <iegary> well 'insert' is <esc>2~, so maybe your keyboard settings are causing an extra 'insert' keypress to be seen.
[01:09] <GNU_Style> i used the numpas to insert
[01:09] <markc> I just tried, swip -> ctl-c, then alt-shift-insert into console and it worked with no 2~ appended
[01:09] <GNU_Style> theres no insert in my keyboard other than the numpad 0
[01:09] <GNU_Style> maybe its because of my keyboard, try using the numpad 0 as insert with numlock on
[01:10] <markc> GNU_Style> yeah, I get strange stuff when I use num-0 with various alt-shift-ctl keys
[01:11] <GNU_Style> ic.. thats the one causing the problem
[01:11] <markc>  GNU_Style> but... if you use the mouse to swipe-copy some text, in any application, why not just use middle (or RMB) mouse button to paste while your hand is still on the mouse ?
[01:12] <GNU_Style> thats a good idea.. thanks...
[01:13] <GNU_Style> my firefox seems to use a different cursor than KDE, why?
[01:13] <markc> GNU_Style> does that work  for you ? (do you have a 3 button mouse?)
[01:14] <markc> GNU_Style> firefox uses the GTK gui libs (the same as gnome)
[01:14] <GNU_Style> but GTK to QT engine is installed
[01:15] <mart> it still has it's own themes.
[01:15] <GNU_Style> how do I change that in kubuntu?
[01:15] <mart> check Tools->themes
[01:15] <mart> Get more themes.
[01:15] <markc> I just had a look at firefox here and I can't see any difference with either the normal pointer or the text cursor when something is highlighted
[01:16] <GNU_Style> themes ifor KDE?
[01:16] <GNU_Style> where the control panel in kubuntu 5.10?
[01:17] <mart> GNU_Style: no, Tools menu in firefox
[01:17] <[Nige] > helo
[01:18] <Kabal> Kubuntu 5.10 KDE 3.4.3
[01:18] <Kabal> got error playing a video file.. restarted the video.. now it says sound system busy..
[01:18] <Kabal> How do I restart the sound system?
[01:18] <markc> GNU_Style> Kmenu -> System Settings
[01:18] <tijn> killall artsd
[01:18] <Kabal> tijn: thanx :)
[01:18] <Kabal> How do I restart it?
[01:18] <GNU_Style> i cant seem to find the kmenu editor even if I installed it in adept
[01:19] <mart> GNU_Style: right click on the K
[01:19] <tijn> Kabal: goes auto @ a sound request
[01:19] <[Nige] >  does anyone know how to specifiy 2 different backgrounds on different monitors in kubuntu?
[01:20] <Kabal> tijn: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:834:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client
[01:20] <tijn> ?
[01:20] <tijn> wierd mom
[01:21] <Kabal> VLC media player 0.8.5-svn Janus
[01:21] <Kabal> ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:196:(make_local_socket) connect failed: /tmp/alsa-dmix-9991-1143202178-488752: No such file or directory
[01:21] <tijn> type artsd
[01:21] <flusher_> hello
[01:21] <Kabal> tijn: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[01:21] <Kabal> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[01:21] <Kabal> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[01:22] <Kabal> device is busy.. I know.. it crahed while playing video
[01:22] <tijn> mmh, check with ps ax if there is something sound stuff working
[01:22] <Kabal> but I don't want to restart my whole laptop
[01:22] <tijn> if so, kill it
[01:24] <Blippe> !rbscrobbler
[01:24] <ubotu> [rbscrobbler]  a script listening for rhythmbox and sending the info to last.fm. It has to be run as an application by its own. Try running it in a terminal.
[01:24] <Kabal> tijn: id 9991 won't be killed
[01:24] <Kabal> that;s xine
[01:24] <tijn> kill -9
[01:24] <Kabal> thus  kill -9 9991 ?
[01:25] <tijn> jep
[01:25] <Kabal> I see :)
[01:26] <mart> pkill is worth knowing about too - takes a process name.  saves you looking it up everytime.
[01:28] <Kabal> tijn: It worked! :)
[01:28] <Kabal> Thanx this goes in my memory :)
[01:28] <tijn> kk
[01:29] <Kabal> kk?
[01:29] <flusher_> in kcontrol > keyboard shortcuts, i can't use the windows key, is there something to cfg with xbindkeys, xmodmap or something else ?
[01:29] <tijn> okay ;)
[01:29] <Kabal> ke :)
[01:29] <tijn> ah dutchie ;)
[01:30] <Kabal> idd :D
[01:30] <Kabal> lots to learn in linux :) but I like it alot :D
[01:30] <tijn> its nice :)
[01:31] <flusher_> in other words, i'd like to use the windows (super-L) key to open the K menu or minimize all windows (windows + M), but the super-L key seems not to be "detected" by kubuntu, what must I do please ?
[01:31] <bertos> hi
[01:31] <tijn> always used debian, but for my klapplank kubuntu is nice ;)
[01:31] <Kabal> hahhahahaha
[01:31] <Kabal> same here :)
[01:31] <bertos> is python-soya in ubuntu repositories??
[01:31] <Kabal> I use a klapplank too :D
[01:32] <Kabal> never heard of klapplank.. but rofl
[01:32] <tijn> haha
[01:32] <bertos> can anybody check it for me plz.. becouse i can't fint it in ftp.belnet.be
[01:33] <weedar> I use my computer to play music when we have parties, how can I prevent users from using anything other than amarok (for example)?
[01:33] <mart> kiosk?
[01:34] <mart> or just create a user that doesn't start KDE, just kwin and amarok.
[01:35] <rysiek|pl> weedar: ask them :P
[01:37] <weedar> rysiek|pl, that's not really an option =)
[01:38] <weedar> That's like asking hackers to not abuse your root login
[01:40] <puckman> OMG
[01:40] <tijn> ow you god ?
[01:40] <tijn> waha
[01:40] <puckman> it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sweet
[01:40] <tijn> ow ment wha?
[01:40] <tijn> hehehe
[01:40] <puckman> I'm in love
[01:41] <puckman> The startup is very smart!
[01:41] <puckman> And it comes with scim pre installed
[01:42] <puckman> allthough i have not tested that yet
[01:42] <raphink> puckman: do you need scim ?
[01:42] <puckman> yes
[01:42] <raphink> ok
[01:42] <puckman> I'm trying to learn Japanese
[01:42] <raphink> ic
[01:42] <puckman> My wife is Japanese so Japanese input is handy
[01:42] <puckman> and I had a LOT of trouble trying to get it to work on 5.10
[01:43] <raphink> mhm
[01:43] <puckman> I gave up in the end, and here it is, preinstalled.
[01:43] <raphink> hehe
[01:43] <raphink> asian support is one of the major reasons to delay dapper to june
[01:43] <puckman> Really?
[01:43] <raphink> yes
[01:43] <puckman> Wow, well, thats worth it then!
[01:43] <raphink> indian and chinese mostly
[01:44] <raphink> mark got aware of how big the market is there
[01:44] <puckman> I only use my Mac for WOW and Japanese input these days.
[01:44] <raphink> India and China are rushing in the IT market
[01:44] <puckman> And I saw there is a petition for WOW on Linux so who knows :P
[01:44] <raphink> and the indian and chinese ubuntu LoCoTeams are growing fast
[01:44] <raphink> puckman: do you play wesnoth?
[01:45] <puckman> wesnoth?
[01:45] <puckman> Whats that?
[01:45] <raphink> hehe
[01:45] <raphink> Wesnoth is the OpenOffice or RPG
[01:45] <raphink> a free open-source RPG
[01:45] <puckman> btw, I will be moving to Japan within 2 years.
[01:45] <puckman> Ah, great.
[01:45] <bertos> can anybody check if python-soya package is in ubuntu repositories??plz...:)
[01:45] <raphink> available in Ubuntu of course
[01:45] <raphink> the graphics are not so great
[01:45] <raphink> but the rules are
[01:45] <raphink> bertos: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <puckman> Ah, well, will give it a try
[01:46] <puckman> 3D or pre rendered?
[01:46] <tijn> root@Blackangel:/home/tijn# apt-cache search python-soya
[01:46] <tijn> python-soya - high level 3D engine for Python
[01:46] <tijn> bertos: there ya gp
[01:46] <tijn> go*
[01:46] <bertos> tijn, tnx man
[01:46] <tijn> np
[01:46] <iegary> puckman: I'm trying out scim with uim, works fine for Japanese
[01:47] <iegary> puckman: you do have to run "im-switch -s scim" and then log back in.
[01:47] <puckman> hmmmm
[01:47] <puckman> got that weird root problem
[01:47] <puckman> where I can run adept
[01:47] <puckman> cant
[01:48] <puckman> Anyone know what to do?
[01:48] <raphink> what's the issue puckman?
[01:48] <puckman> I start adept, it asks me for my passworrd and then just closes
[01:48] <raphink> ah?
[01:49] <raphink> are you up-to-date?
[01:49] <puckman> I had that problem 6 months ago when I first started using kubuntu
[01:49] <puckman> I just installed flight 5
[01:49] <raphink> update it ;)
[01:49] <raphink> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:50] <puckman> of course, thats what solved it before, thanks.
[01:50] <puckman> ah shit, no
[01:50] <puckman> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:50] <raphink> no what?
[01:50] <raphink> well because adept is open I guess
[01:50] <raphink> ;)
[01:50] <puckman> but its not open
[01:50] <raphink> are  you sure it's not open somewhere else?
[01:50] <puckman> well, not in the gui anyways.
[01:51] <tijn> ps ax
[01:51] <tijn> look for apt-get or something
[01:51] <raphink> yep
[01:51] <puckman> lots of adepts running
[01:52] <puckman> no apt
[01:52] <tijn> adept uses apt
[01:52] <tijn> youre not using any?
[01:52] <raphink> sudo killall adept
[01:52] <tijn> then grab your gun and kill em all
[01:52] <mornfall> raphink: ouch that hurt
[01:52] <raphink> mornfall: hehe
[01:52] <raphink> ;)
[01:52] <raphink> sorry mornfall I didn't mean it against you ;)
[01:52] <tijn> ?
[01:53] <tijn> i so dont get it :)
[01:53] <[Nige] > who do I set a different wallpaper for each monitor
[01:53] <raphink> tijn: mornfall is adept's dev
[01:53] <[Nige] > I know you can do this with kde :)
[01:53] <tijn> aaah :)
[01:53] <tijn> heheheh
[01:53] <raphink> [Nige] : go the appearance settings
[01:53] <raphink> and there you can do it :)
[01:53] <mornfall> raphink: so even more people know who to bug on irc hmm? ;P
[01:53] <rysiek|pl> [Nige] : RightClick on the Desktop
[01:53] <tijn> haha
[01:53] <raphink> mornfall: heh, you had to keep quiet on this ;)
[01:53] <raphink> hehe
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> [Nige] : -> Desktop configuration (or smthng similar, i've got a translation)
[01:54] <raphink> it's no secret though, is it?
[01:54] <Rayman> dapper+kcontrol -> broken display settings manager
[01:54] <Rayman> any fixes?
[01:54] <tijn> iam gonna tell mom!!
[01:54] <[Nige] > rysiek|pl, it doesnt seem to be there :S
[01:54] <raphink> ah talking of translations, I still have to go hack this .po file in the kde svn for systemsettings
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> [Nige] : Breezy/Dapper and kubuntu/Ubuntu?
[01:54] <raphink> Rayman: are you up-to-date?
[01:55] <[Nige] > breezy kubunut, i know it worked under ubuntu with kde, I had it working yesterday but i rebuilt the pc today
[01:55] <Rayman> raphink: well another dist-upgrade is running atm. But up-to-yesterday, yes
[01:55] <rysiek|pl> [Nige] : ok, right-click on your desktop and tell me what do you have in the popup menu
[01:56] <[Nige] > i can configure my desktop
[01:56] <raphink> Rayman: works here
[01:56] <[Nige] > but when i set a picture, its spanned across both monitors and it look horrid, i would like 1 picture per monitor
[01:56] <rysiek|pl> [Nige] : whait... you want different wallpapers for different MONITORS or DESKTOPS?
[01:56] <raphink> [Nige] : I thought you wanted one pic per desktop, not one per monitor
[01:56] <[Nige] > okay, I have 2 monitors, I want each one to display a different picture
[01:57] <rysiek|pl> aaargh. in that case I haven't got the slightest idea :)
[01:57] <raphink> me neither
[01:57] <Rayman> raphink: hmmh. It has never worked for me.. flight 4 and clean install
[01:57] <[Nige] > no no, i dont want  multiple desktops :)
[01:57] <[Nige] > I can do that
[01:57] <raphink> Rayman: flight 4 is not what I call up-to-date
[01:57] <raphink> dist-upgrade
[01:57] <raphink> and it should work
[01:57] <Rayman> raphink: I do that daily :)
[01:57] <mart> gawd.
[01:57] <raphink> Rayman: upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[01:57] <Rayman> dist-
[01:58] <puckman> back
[01:58] <puckman> got fed up with killing so just rebooted
[01:58] <bertos> how can i pass some parameters to kerner in liveCD boot
[01:58] <bertos> ?
[01:58] <Rayman> another one will be ready soon. Those OpenOffice packages are  bititch to DL
[01:58] <Rayman> -typos.. my screen is running on 640x480 and I'm missing the rightmost part of this window :D
[01:58] <bertos> when i type linux vga=791 installation is started
[01:59] <[Nige] > i am pretty sure it has to do with xinerama
[01:59] <bimberi> bertos: add them to the boot command (the function keys will tell you what options are available)
[01:59] <bimberi> !xinerama
[01:59] <ubotu> I guess xinerama is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=xinerama&titlesearch=Titles Hopefully, one of these works for you, and feedback is welcome
[01:59] <bertos> and when just hit ehner[to liveCD boot]  i see just blank screen [usin laptop] 
[01:59] <visik7> kmail doesn't  display correctly accents characters
[01:59] <visik7> from Mail and Newsgroup
[01:59] <visik7> how can I fix it ?
[02:00] <[Nige] > bimberi, those instructions just broke xinerama for me "S
[02:00] <bimberi> bertos: i think there's a vga=### option
[02:00] <bimberi> [Nige] : sorry to hear that :/
[02:01] <[Nige] > bimberi, thats okay :) i got rid of the xinerama tag and its seems to be okay, apart from being able to specify different wallpappers per monitor
[02:03] <vge> this is more like a openoffice question
[02:03] <vge> if i downloaded a language pack
[02:04] <vge> it changed language for the menus, i just need it for spelling purpoces
[02:04] <Phazeman> is there any reason that there is no gkrellm skins package for kubuntu available ? the default gkrellm came without skins at all :(
[02:05] <Phazeman> and there is nothing comes with apt-cache search gkrellm | grep skin
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[02:05] <puckman> wtf?
[02:06] <weedar> !ops
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[02:07] <weedar> "Google_Firefox" spammed the channel from IP-adress 80.230.222.230
[02:07] <Phazeman> anyone ?
[02:07] <Phazeman> am i invisible or what ? can someone see what i type ?
[02:07] <weedar> sure Phazeman
[02:08] <Phazeman> weedar: any idea about gkrellm skins ?
[02:08] <Phazeman> looks like something is missing in my sources.list
[02:08] <weedar> I don't use gkrellm, but apt-cache search | grep skin doesn't output anything
[02:08] <weedar> if that is any comfort to you
[02:09] <Phazeman> ahh... found it :) i think i miss multivers and it's there
[02:09] <Phazeman> thanks
[02:09] <weedar> But I'm using multiverse and I didn't get any skins for it Phazeman
[02:09] <Phazeman> weedar: i will try looking now...
[02:10] <Phazeman> weedar: as i remember, the default gkrellm package should've come with the skins in it but it dodn't
[02:10] <Phazeman> didn't
[02:10] <Phazeman> thats what is strange
[02:10] <weedar> ok
[02:10] <weedar> But would've assumed that since there could exist hundreds of skins that is an addon you'd have to download sparately
[02:11] <Phazeman> weedar: agreed, but other distro's coming with the default set
[02:11] <DarkAdmiral> y is there such an old version of icewm in the repositories?
[02:12] <Phazeman> last time i installed breezy it had the skins in it
[02:12] <weedar> You must have added some weird repository Phazeman  =
[02:12] <weedar> =)
[02:12] <Phazeman> :)))
[02:13] <puckman> damn, lot of updates to flight 5
[02:14] <puckman> If I run into the dev guy who stuck skim into the base install I will buy him a beer
[02:14] <Phazeman> weedar: there is no theme at all in that multiverse :( and i can't find anything on the web....
[02:14] <mart> I still can't figure out how to use it
[02:14] <mart> it doesn't remember my settings
[02:14] <Phazeman> can someone  remind me what was that monitor proggy that shows the output on the root window on the background ?
[02:17] <chouette> Hi
[02:18] <tijn> Phazeman: dunno, but sounds nice
[02:18] <chouette> Someone gave me a file to identify automatically the hard drives with XP data on Kubuntu yesterday, but i reinstall, and i forget the name...it was something like disk mounter..someone have it pls ?
[02:19] <Rayman> alright. another dist-upgrade done and still can't configure display from KControl
[02:19] <Rayman> the thing is.. it doesn't save the selected monitor AND I can't hit the apply button to, well, apply the resolution change.
[02:20] <Phazeman> tijn: i'm looking for the name now.. will tell you in a minute
[02:20] <tijn> k thnx
[02:22] <chouette> Or at least if someone had a simple way to identify my hard drive on Kubuntu
[02:22] <chouette> (they're NTFS)
[02:22] <tijn> identify ? dont know what you mean
[02:22] <tijn> normally with ide its hda*
[02:23] <tijn> so if youre windows partition is on the first partition of the first hdd its hda1
[02:23] <tijn> to check, you can do fdisk /devhda
[02:23] <tijn> erh
[02:23] <Phazeman> tijn: root-tail
[02:23] <tijn> to check, you can do fdisk /dev/hda*
[02:23] <tijn> Phazeman: thnx
[02:24] <tijn> press p for partitions en see if your partition is there
[02:25] <Phazeman> tijn: it's not it.. sec... i will try to find again
[02:25] <tijn> or hdb
[02:25] <chouette> there's nothing in fdisk/dev/hda
[02:25] <chouette> disk ok, but no dev
[02:26] <tijn> fdisk is a tool
[02:26] <tijn> type: fdisk /dev/hda
[02:26] <chouette> ok, sorry i misunderstood
[02:26] <tijn> np
[02:27] <chouette> in a console ? it doesnt work
[02:27] <chouette> "no file or directory of this kind" or somthng
[02:27] <Phazeman> FOUND IT !!!!!
[02:27] <Phazeman> tijn: torsmo
[02:27] <tijn> torsmo?
[02:27] <tijn> aaah ok :D
[02:28] <tijn> the program
[02:28] <Tm_T> torsmo is old and unmaintained, but ok
[02:28] <Tm_T> conky is newer
[02:29] <Phazeman> thanks Tm_T
[02:29] <Phazeman> Tm_T: do you have any idea why fluxbox is so outdated ?
[02:29] <Phazeman> breezy
[02:29] <Phazeman> it's 0.9.12 and there is 0.9.15 already when 0.9.14 was running for more then a year
[02:30] <mart> maybe the debian packager lost interest?
[02:30] <Phazeman> mart :( i can't believe that...
[02:30] <chouette> Still no one to help me find my hard drive please :(  ?
[02:30] <mart> Phazeman: why not?
[02:31] <Phazeman> mart: coz its VERY popular
[02:31] <mart> Phazeman: sure, but that doesn't mean the packager is still interested
[02:31] <Phazeman> Tm_T: how do you start conky ? i've installed it and there is no executable
[02:32] <Phazeman> :( i really hope he does...
[02:32] <mart> Phazeman: it had a non-maintainer upload in January...
[02:33] <Phazeman> i will try asking in #fluxbox...
[02:33] <mart> Phazeman: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/fluxbox/fluxbox_0.9.14-1.1/changelog
[02:33] <mart> Phazeman: might be easiest to grab the source from debian and rebuild if you want an update
[02:33] <Phazeman> mart: i want the latest... the 0.9.15
[02:33] <tijn> chouette: what did you type?
[02:34] <Phazeman> mart: yeah.. i will try
[02:34] <Phazeman> mart: 15:33 < fbot> ubuntu packages can be found at: http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/
[02:34] <mart> still .14 :(
[02:34] <reon> Is there a equivalent for Downloader for X with a KDE frontend ???
[02:35] <mart> kget?
[02:35] <mart> (he said, not knowing what downloader for x was)
[02:35] <Phazeman> mart: yeah ":(
[02:35] <reon> mart: dont like kget. I would like Downloader for X but with a KDE frontend and I dunno whether anybody has done it
[02:36] <Phazeman> Tm_T: any idea about conky ?
[02:36] <mart> reon: kinda hard to suggest something if you don't say what's wrong with kget...
[02:36] <Phazeman> nm.. fount it
[02:37] <reon> mart: one of those personal preference things. i cant remember whats wrong with kget but I did not like it when i tried it
[02:37] <mart> reon: I didn't like it the first time, but I ended up going back and using it after a while :)
[02:39] <reon> mart, I'll have a look again.
[02:43] <Tm_T> Phazeman: ?
[02:44] <Tm_T> Phazeman: there's "xonky"
[02:44] <Tm_T> whoops
[02:44] <Tm_T> Phazeman: "conky" I mean
[02:57] <puckman> Anyone here installed flight 5?
[02:57] <fek> moin
[02:58] <puckman> Adept wont launch.
[02:58] <puckman> Asks for my password and then nothing.
[03:00] <jtshaw> puckman: check to see if there is an adept process running already
[03:00] <mornfall> puckman: willing to debug? :)
[03:01] <puckman> mornfall: sure, tell me what to do :P
[03:01] <mrim> slt
[03:01] <mornfall> puckman: can you apt-get source adept? :)
[03:01] <mrim> ccccccccccommeeeeeeeeeent onnnnnnnnnn isttttttttttalllllllllll un serverrrrrrrrrr teamspppppppppeak surrrrrrrrr liiiiiiiiiinux
[03:01] <puckman> just a warning, linix newbie
[03:01] <admrl_school> mornfall i agree its very important to learn apt-get
[03:02] <mornfall> apt-get source adept <-- command
[03:02] <admrl_school> puckman: i learned this in a day when someone told me so here we go hopefully i will help you
[03:02] <mornfall> it will download and unpack adept source package
[03:02] <admrl_school> to install a package its
[03:02] <admrl_school> sudo apt-get install *package*
[03:02] <admrl_school> to search for a package its
[03:02] <admrl_school> sudo apt-cache search *package*
[03:02] <puckman> Oh I know that bit
[03:02] <admrl_school> thats almost all you need to know
[03:03] <admrl_school> and sudo apt-get update
[03:03] <puckman> I thought you where gonna ask me to look at the source
[03:03] <puckman> :P
[03:03] <admrl_school> to update yoru package list
[03:03] <mornfall> oh lord
[03:03] <admrl_school> and
[03:03] <puckman> I have done an update and upgrade
[03:03] <admrl_school> puckman
[03:03] <admrl_school> then your good
[03:03] <puckman> well no
[03:03] <mornfall> can someone take admrl_school and put it somewhere out of my way? thanks
[03:03] <mornfall> puckman: so listen to me now
[03:04] <puckman> adept wont start in the gui
[03:04] <puckman> ok
[03:04] <puckman> listenting
[03:04] <mornfall> puckman: and ignore admrl_school for a bit :)
[03:04] <mornfall> puckman: can you use debuild?
[03:04] <puckman> nope
[03:04] <mornfall> hmm
[03:04] <mornfall> puckman: do you have gdb?
[03:04] <puckman> ok, just so you know
[03:04] <puckman> clean HD
[03:04] <puckman> clean install of flight 5
[03:05] <puckman> which has been updated and upgraded via apt 10 min ogo
[03:11] <Rayman> hello once again
[03:11] <Rayman> I can actually change the resolution with an app called 'gvidm'
[03:12] <Rayman> but that only changes 'rendered' resolution, not the actual desktop resolution/size.. thus 1600x1200->1280x1024 and I can scroll the screen around with my mouse.
[03:44] <mhterres> hi
[03:44] <puckman> Hello
[03:53] <dipnlik> !firefox1.5
[03:53] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[03:54] <simian> !apache
[03:54] <ubotu> [apache]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[03:56] <jdpj> oi
[03:56] <jdpj> hello
[03:56] <mhterres> hi (oi) :-)
[03:56] <jdpj> on Brazil
[03:56] <mhterres> me too
[03:56] <mhterres> :-)
[03:56] <dipnlik> three
[03:57] <jdpj> rs
[03:57] <jdpj> alguem de sao paulo
[03:57] <mhterres> english please :-)
[03:57] <mhterres> i'm from RS
[03:57] <jdpj> ok
[03:57] <dipnlik> jdpj , mhterres:  /join #ubuntu-br
[03:58] <jdpj> thank you
[03:58] <mhterres> we need #kubuntu-br too
[03:58] <dipnlik> we can speak portuguese there
[03:58] <dipnlik> mhterres: there's kubuntu discussion there too
[03:58] <jdpj> bye
[03:59] <FarSe3r> Hello, my sound is all weird. Its low and cracked. I have no idea what to do.....
[04:02] <GNU_Style> f
[04:03] <GNU_Style> i want to compile my kernel but I cant find the source with smp support.. ?
[04:10] <mart> GNU_Style: there is only one source per version
[04:12] <Al-Daja> it's possible  getting upgrades from some programs adding the source to source list, or something?
[04:15] <GNU_Style> ic
[04:16] <GNU_Style> is there a known bug in kubuntu dapper flight 4?
[04:16] <visik7> probably more than 1
[04:16] <visik7> it's a devel release
[04:16] <tristanmike> Al-Daja, you don't upgrade programs "per se" unless you compile from source, or install by some other method. You do get all security updates that apply to the Ubuntu software
[04:16] <tristanmike> GNU_Style, yeah, they are on flight 5 now
[04:17] <GNU_Style> i cant seem to install flight 4
[04:17] <GNU_Style> ok so.. if I do something wrong in compiling my kernel can I revert back to the previous?
[04:18] <visik7> there is flight 5 now
[04:19] <_chouette> hiho
[04:19] <_chouette> Can someone help me to mount my hard drives ? i tried with the tool disk and filesystems but it didnt work..
[04:20] <Al-Daja> tristanmike, hmm, for example amule i'm in 2.0.3 but already exist 2.1.1 i only can get it if i install directly from the webpage and so on
[04:20] <tristanmike> visik7, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[04:20] <visik7> not for me
[04:21] <GNU_Style> wat does 'CC=gcc-3.4' really mean and 'export CC'?
[04:21] <tristanmike> GNU_Style, yes, pretty much
[04:22] <GNU_Style> ic CC a command in bash?
[04:22] <GNU_Style> what about export?
[04:22] <tristanmike> yes, without the quotes
[04:22] <tristanmike> there should be more to "export CC" than you have there if I recall correctly
[04:23] <tristanmike> that will change the default compiler to gcc3.4 rather than gcc4.x
[04:23] <tristanmike> Al-Daja, if 2.0.3 is what's in the repos, that wont change untill the release after whatever release contains 2.0.3. So yes, you would have to go to the site to install a newer version. The only problem with that, is sometimes the newer versions require newer libs, which you must install and the newer libs may require newer libs which you must install, and those newer libs...well you get the point
[04:23] <_chouette> yesterday here someone send me a file, it was called somthng like "disk mounter" in here there was a command like bash i dont know what, and it mounted automatically all my Windows hard drives
[04:23] <_chouette> does someone konw this thing ?
[04:24] <Al-Daja> tristanmike,  lol, now i get, a cycle of new libraries
[04:24] <tristanmike> exactly
[04:24] <tristanmike> now that's not to say you shouldn't try, that's worse case scenerio
[04:25] <Al-Daja> that's why some programs in adept are older than the ones that already exist
[04:25] <tristanmike> I have newer version of some apps, but it can take some work to get going because of the slippery slope aspect
[04:25] <tristanmike> exactly
[04:26] <Al-Daja> i real need sometime to study this thing, and who know's make some improvements
[04:27] <Al-Daja> thx tristanmike
[04:27] <_chouette> !diskmounter
[04:27] <ubotu> diskmounter is, like, totally, to automatically mount your ntfs, fat32 or hfs+ drives, download and read http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[04:28] <tristanmike> that's why Linux is Fantastic, make the changes, enjoy the changes, live the changes. :)
[04:30] <_chouette> can someone help me with mounting the HD please ? I'm just going crazy >_<
[04:30] <tijn> huh?
[04:30] <_chouette> Even diskmounter doesnt work
[04:30] <tijn> is kubuntu linux? screw you guys, iam outta her ;)
[04:31] <visik7> anyone have patched a vanilla 2.6.16 with suspend 2 ?
[04:33] <tristanmike> chouette, how doesn't it work, what's not happening, I guess your hd isn't getting mounted, by why ?
[04:33] <_mindspin> chouette you've been here yesterday with another nick?
[04:34] <chouette> Yes...sorry for the flood btw, i didnt think about  that if taht's what you're about to say
[04:34] <_mindspin> It's ok so far
[04:35] <_mindspin> use pastebin when you want to paste
[04:35] <chouette> yes i understood this now :)
[04:35] <_mindspin> I still think that yore hd is mounted but you look at the wrong place
[04:36] <chouette> So where should i look ?
[04:36] <chouette> ./media, i suppose ?
[04:36] <chouette> but nothing in here...
[04:36] <tristanmike>   /media/drive   I would think
[04:36] <dash-> anyone else using drapper
[04:37] <tristanmike> chouette, it wouldn't have the "." in it, that makes it hidden
[04:37] <dash-> my login screen is distorted with kde. was fine on breezy
[04:37] <attax|thana> dash: upgrading right now :)
[04:37] <chouette> it says /media/drive doesnt exists
[04:37] <dash-> i alreayd did the upgrades
[04:37] <chouette> (yes the "." is on purpose for here only)
[04:37] <tristanmike> not "drive" litterally, it would have a name
[04:37] <chouette> ah...*stupid*
[04:37] <dash-> my screen is distorted now when i login i have to ctrl alt f1 and then ctrl alt f7 for a screen refresh
[04:37] <dash-> so i cna see the login screen
[04:37] <tristanmike> so cd /media  then  ls   gives you nothing ?
[04:37] <dash-> \o/
[04:38] <chouette> it says no file in here
[04:38] <chouette> (/media/sda5)
[04:38] <tristanmike> ls gives you /media/sda5  ?
[04:38] <_mindspin> what do you get when you do a sudo cat/etc/fstab at commandline
[04:38] <Phazeman> !firefox
[04:39] <_mindspin> scsi disk or usb?
[04:39] <chouette> sata that's all i know
[04:39] <Phazeman> !firefox1.5
[04:39] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:39] <chouette> well internal too
[04:39] <_mindspin> what do you get when you do a sudo cat /etc/fstab
[04:39] <_martin> Hi. I'm getting "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" when I try to add a deb server (to use for seveas / freenx). Not found an answer yet on Google -- please can anyone help?
[04:39] <tristanmike> chouette, does "ls" give you when you are in /media  ?
[04:40] <_martin> I get this error on apt-get update
[04:40] <tristanmike> _martin, where you got the line for your sources list, should also have a command to log the public key, where did you get it ?
[04:40] <rysiek|pl> guys, anybody can recommend a command-line tool for decoding *.ape (MonkeyAudio) files to wavs? TIA :)
[04:40] <chouette> http://pastebin.com/620081
[04:40] <dash-> anyone know how to fix the login screen
[04:40] <dash-> refresh problem with drapper
[04:41] <chouette> tristan, where do i type "ls" ?
[04:41] <_martin> tristanmike: thanks -- you're right, on http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/ there are auth instructions I had not read. Ta.
[04:42] <tristanmike> chouette, in a terminal, do a "cd /media"  then "ls"
[04:42] <tristanmike> chouette, but by the looks of your fstab file, you for sure don't have it mounted
[04:43] <tristanmike> what happens when you run the script from diskmounter ?
[04:43] <chouette> damn...i'll try again with the tool
[04:43] <chouette> i think diskmounter just didnt worked anyway
[04:43] <tristanmike> chouette, load the page and select "save as" and save as is to your desktop ?
[04:43] <chouette> i'll try with the graphical tool
[04:43] <chouette> k
[04:44] <chouette> !diskmounter
[04:44] <ubotu> I heard diskmounter is to automatically mount your ntfs, fat32 or hfs+ drives, download and read http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[04:44] <tristanmike> don't change the name or anything, just save to desktop
[04:44] <chouette> ok it's saved
[04:44] <chouette> same name
[04:44] <tristanmike> don't change anything, just hit save
[04:45] <tristanmike> don't add an extention like .txt just Save Page As....then Save
[04:45] <tristanmike> to your destop
[04:45] <tristanmike> s/destop/desktop
[04:46] <chouette> And when it's saved ?
[04:46] <tristanmike> once it's saved to your desktop, open a terminal and type:  "cd ~/Desktop"  with out the quotes
[04:46] <fyrmedic> how do I install a .deb package that I downloaded?
[04:47] <tristanmike> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:47] <rysiek|pl> dpkg -i <your.file>.deb
[04:47] <fyrmedic> thanks
[04:47] <tristanmike> check synaptic first
[04:47] <mertmr> turk varmi aranizda
[04:47] <tristanmike> chouette,  then "sudo bash diskmounter"  again, without the quotes....put in your password and you should be good to go
[04:48] <chouette> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb >> this for me too ?
[04:48] <fyrmedic> is there a way to check that it was successful?
[04:48] <chouette> and if so, i keep "filename" of "diskmounter" ?
[04:48] <tristanmike> chouette, no, that dpkg line is not for you
[04:49] <tristanmike> chouette, where are you at? have you changed directories to your Desktop ?
[04:49] <tristanmike> fyrmedic, any errors? no, it was successful
[04:49] <_martin> tristanmike: Thanks for the pointer - sorted. bfn.
[04:50] <tristanmike> fyrmedic, you should be able to see the package in Synaptic/Adept
[04:50] <tristanmike> _martin, good to hear, np
[04:50] <chouette> ok it's done, i'll check
[04:50] <tristanmike> chouette, did you get output this time? did it look like it was doing something ?
[04:51] <chouette> YES. it worked
[04:51] <Drakeson> does anyone have Wacom stuff here (and it's hopefully working)
[04:51] <chouette> yes it did :) Thanx :D
[04:51] <chouette> What was the problem, just so i know for later installation ?
[04:51] <tristanmike> my guess is you didn't change into the directory that had that file when you did it last time, very easy mistake to make
[04:52] <chouette> (cuz i typed what u said but without understandinf it)
[04:52] <tristanmike> ok, can I pm you for a sec?
[04:52] <chouette> no pron
[04:52] <chouette> *prob
[04:53] <tijn> where???
[04:53] <tijn> ow
[04:53] <tijn> prob ;)
[04:55] <Phazeman> !thunderbird
[04:55] <ubotu> I heard thunderbird is a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[04:58] <Pupeno> Is http://cgi.ebay.es/US-ROBOTICS-COURIER-I-MODEM-ISDN-V-34_W0QQitemZ6861745236QQcategoryZ8060QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem a full modem that would work with kubuntu without the nightmare that a soft-modem is ?
[04:58] <Pupeno> it looks like a courier us-robotic, but there it says ISDN.
[05:03] <prower> Hello everyone :> I'm trying to adjust the bass and treble on my Soundblaster Live, but changing them in the mixer seems to have no effect...is there something else that has to be changed first?
[05:11] <JasonF> Is there a good howto on the net on how to setup dual monitors using 2 cards (i.e. it's not an nvidia twinview deal)
[05:21] <juke> how i can get drivers to my geforce 2 gts/pro display card?? :P
[05:22] <analfabeta> hi!
[05:23] <analfabeta> how can i configure my proxy server in kopete?
[05:23] <dwarner> Is linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp  2.6.10-34.7 still being support?  I see updates for 10-6, but not 10-5
[05:25] <DeeJay1> hmm, it seems that I can live with Kubuntu for a while, disabling ACPI helped with the lost interrupts at least until I know how to make other packages than .rpms :)
[05:25] <tijn> cya all
[05:29] <chouette> Someone knows what the "universe and multiverse repository" is ?
[05:29] <chouette> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-4e9645ccc8498974daa866ddb5afb1dcb6b3d0c6 (here)
[05:32] <_mindspin> ubotu tell chouette about universe
[05:40] <holy_fool> gotta prob, i installed automatiks and now my fonts in konqueror are invisible...
[05:41] <chouette> Just to be sure : all the repositories i enable will be used when i update ?
[05:41] <ccc_> yes
[05:41] <chouette> kthx
[05:45] <lwe> I have set up my wireless connection with WPA2 and it works, but everytime I reboot I need too "ifdown" ""ifup" the device. I use ifplugd and wpa_supplicant. Anybody has an elegant solution ?
[05:46] <epinephrine> I read a walkthrough that made it just work on boot, but I went and formatted without bookmarking it :|
[05:46] <GNU_Style> i compiled a custom kernel and installed it, is it safe to delete the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12 directory? and the linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 file?
[05:46] <ninHer> hi all
[05:47] <epinephrine> here it is. http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html
[05:47] <lwe> That's the howto I followed...
[05:47] <epinephrine> well, it worked for me :p
[05:48] <epinephrine> my dongle is fried now, waiting on a new one, can't try it again yet :|
[05:48] <epinephrine> ("dispatched" according to amazon, can't complain, they send it for free)
[05:49] <lwe> Thank you epinephrine
[05:50] <epinephrine> I seem to remember not following it exactly because some things just seemed rediculous
[05:50] <GNU_Style> i compiled a custom kernel and installed it, is it safe to delete the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12 directory? and the linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 file?
[05:55] <enigmista> hi guys
[05:55] <GNU_Style> ic, after compiling my kernel as .deb, how do I build a kernel header?
[05:56] <PoorYoric> hi
[05:56] <PoorYoric> I'm having problems with SMP
[05:56] <Yoric> better like this
[05:56] <enigmista> anyone uses kubuntu + Creative Zen touch?
[05:57] <Yoric> Well, booting with SMP support doesn't seem to work on my Intel Dual Core Celero.
[05:59] <enigmista> noone uses gnomad2?
[06:00] <mart> doesn't amarok support it?
[06:01] <enigmista> mart: there is gnomad that support it, but it cannot find my device.
[06:01] <mart> enigmista: that wasn't really what I asked...
[06:02] <ovirrede> ?join #debian-pr
[06:03] <enigmista> mart: lsusb give me Bus 005 Device 004: ID 041e:4131 Creative Technology, Ltd
[06:03] <mart> enigmista: ok, but doesn't amarok support it?
[06:03] <enigmista> no
[06:04] <enigmista> sigh
[06:09] <GNU_Style> after compiling my kernel as .deb, how do I build a kernel header?
[06:11] <jind> Isn't the kernelfiles included?
[06:19] <usuario> buenas
[06:19] <usuario> alguno me lee?
[06:19] <usuario> es que no se si va bien esto
[06:20] <schorem> hi
[06:20] <schorem> @usuario i do not understand...
[06:20] <usuario> q?
[06:21] <schorem> please english
[06:21] <usuario> not speak englisg i'm spanish
[06:21] <holy_fool> I want to change Disk And filesystem options i enterdie admin pass the pc is working but i dont gain the acces
[06:22] <holy_fool> enter the
[06:22] <mart> !es
[06:22] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:22] <mart> oh, he's gone
[06:23] <holy_fool> could someone help me
[06:26] <noteventime> Sure
[06:26] <noteventime> I'll try
[06:27] <holy_fool> is it because of the digitil wallet
[06:27] <holy_fool> ?
[06:27] <noteventime> holy_fool: What version?
[06:27] <holy_fool> 5.10
[06:28] <noteventime> Ok, have you tried in KControl?
[06:28] <holy_fool> system settings...
[06:28] <noteventime> Kcontrol and system settings are not the same, system settings is buggy in breezy
[06:28] <holy_fool> what is Kcontrol?
[06:28] <noteventime> try entering kcontrol in run
[06:28] <holy_fool> ok
[06:29] <PoorYoric> ok, things are looking up, I have finally managed to set the correct resolution
[06:29] <PoorYoric> next step is to get SMP to work
[06:29] <PoorYoric> Any hint on this ?
[06:29] <PoorYoric> knowing that the -smp kernel fails to boot
[06:29] <holy_fool> kcontrol started
[06:30] <noteventime> Ok, try editing in kcontrol instead
[06:30] <holy_fool> @noteventimie
[06:30] <noteventime> PoorYoric, Symmetric Multiprocessing?
[06:31] <noteventime> Or the protocol?
[06:31] <PoorYoric> noteventime: indeed
[06:31] <holy_fool> k thx
[06:31] <noteventime> Does it work?
[06:31] <PoorYoric> noteventime: multiprocessing, that is.
[06:31] <noteventime> PoorYoric, Isn't it enough to install the SMP kernel?
[06:32] <noteventime> linux-686-smp?
[06:33] <oxez> Is koffice 1.4.95 the beta version of 1.5?
[06:33] <apokryphos> yes
[06:33] <jtshaw> oxez: that would be consistant with KDEs version scheme
[06:33] <PoorYoric> noteventime: 2.6.12-9-686-smp
[06:33] <oxez> alright thanks
[06:33] <oxez> I wasn't sure :o
[06:34] <noteventime> PoorYoric, Are you running 64bit?
[06:34] <PoorYoric> no
[06:34] <noteventime> ok
[06:34] <noteventime> Then try that one
[06:34] <holy_fool> create_mountconfig
[06:34] <holy_fool> QLayout "unnamed" added to QVBox "m_body", which already has a layout
[06:34] <PoorYoric> noteventime: I am using a Dual Core Centrino, so no 64 bits
[06:35] <noteventime> holy_fool, Have you updated your system recently?
[06:35] <holy_fool> which way
[06:35] <noteventime> sudo apt-get update
[06:35] <noteventime> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:35] <noteventime> Or through one of the frontends
[06:36] <noteventime> adept, synaptic, aptitude or kpackage
[06:36] <holy_fool> ive installed automatiks
[06:36] <noteventime> !automatix
[06:36] <ubotu> automatix is, like, totally, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[06:37] <noteventime> ;), You should better try EasyUbuntu
[06:37] <holy_fool> ^^
[06:37] <noteventime> Anyway, you still need to update your system
[06:39] <PoorYoric> noteventime: as it turns out, when I boot with the -smp kernel, the bootup process doesn't survive pcmcia checking
[06:39] <mart> seems not
[06:40] <noteventime> PoorYoric, are you using pcmcia?
[06:40] <noteventime> !pcmcia
[06:40] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[06:40] <holy_fool> how can i "deinstall" automatiks?
[06:40] <noteventime> You can
[06:40] <noteventime> t
[06:40] <noteventime> You can't
[06:40] <PoorYoric> noteventime: I'm actually not.
[06:40] <holy_fool> s***
[06:40] <PoorYoric> But it's a laptop, that's going to happen eventually.
[06:40] <noteventime> Try removing it, dunno how though
[06:41] <noteventime> ok
[06:41] <noteventime> holy_fool: Don't worry
[06:41] <PoorYoric> ....
[06:41] <noteventime> Shoudn't cause any major trouble...
[06:41] <noteventime> PoorYoric, Hmm....
[06:41] <PoorYoric> I actually just noticed a worrying error message in the bootup process.
[06:41] <noteventime> Ok
[06:41] <holy_fool> i just started with linux thats why i dont know "anything
[06:41] <PoorYoric> Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual
[06:41] <PoorYoric>  address 00000000
[06:41] <noteventime> holy_fool: Do you knwo how to use adept?
[06:42] <holy_fool> more ore less
[06:42] <noteventime> PoorYoric, indeed
[06:42] <holy_fool> thx
[06:42] <noteventime> holy_fool: So you know how to update, right?
[06:43] <noteventime> Try updating, that should fix it
[06:44] <PoorYoric> well, I'll try without pcmcia
[06:45] <noteventime> PoorYoric, I doubt it will help though
[06:49] <_geert> m
[06:54] <PaloDeQueso> How does one start a vnc server on the same display server as the one that I'm using. Like when I log in through vnc I want to see the same session I see when I'm at the box?
[06:57] <Pupeno> Any ideas why I would get the error "Could not connect to host mail.pupeno.com.
[06:57] <Pupeno> Any ideas why I would get the error "Could not connect to host mail.pupeno.com." when trying to send an email with kmail ? I've download emails successfully from the same place and my wife sent mails succesfully to the same place (with her account) ?
[07:00] <Pupeno> I can event telnet to the host on port 25.
[07:06] <wijn> Any idead on how to boot kubuntu with kde instead of only booting the command line interface?
[07:06] <wijn> *ideas
[07:07] <_chouette> someone know how to change the whole style ? windows, bar etc ?
[07:08] <holy_fool> system setting
[07:08] <holy_fool> appearance
[07:08] <holy_fool> should be.
[07:10] <_chouette> ok, but more, how to get other styles than the one already here ?
[07:10] <Blippe> wijn, sounds like somethng is real screwy with your install
[07:10] <wijn> hmm right
[07:10] <wijn> lets do it over then
[07:11] <wijn> during the install after the reboot it mentioned that some packets didn't fully install
[07:11] <wijn> is it meant to put the cd in again after the reboot ?
[07:11] <ShanghaiTeej> chouette, open up adept or synaptic and search "kde theme"
[07:11] <_chouette> thx
[07:11] <ShanghaiTeej> there are some in the repositories, also
[07:12] <_chouette> got a good repositorie for KDE themes ? or a good website ?
[07:12] <ShanghaiTeej> you can go to www.kde-look.org as well
[07:12] <mhterres> yes
[07:12] <mhterres> it's a great site
[07:12] <mhterres> the best I know
[07:12] <mhterres> oops, this is the only one I know :-)
[07:12] <ShanghaiTeej> how long have you been using kubuntu chouette?
[07:13] <_chouette> since yesterday
[07:13] <mhterres> anybody knows another one ?
[07:13] <ShanghaiTeej> well, you probably need to open up more repositories
[07:13] <_chouette> that's why my questions are so...noob :)
[07:13] <ShanghaiTeej> open up the terminal
[07:13] <ShanghaiTeej> type sudo kate/etc/apt/sources.list
[07:14] <_chouette> it says command not found :/
[07:14] <wijn> how much space does kubuntu usually take on hdd on fresh installation?
[07:14] <holy_fool> 2gb
[07:14] <mhterres> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list ???
[07:14] <wijn> right, that'll be my prob
[07:14] <mhterres> kate(space)/etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <mhterres> oops, sudo kate(space)/etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <ShanghaiTeej> it will ask for a password, then delete the "#" off of the lines that start with "deb..."
[07:15] <ShanghaiTeej> save the file and go back to your terminal and type in:  sudo apt-get update
[07:15] <ShanghaiTeej> then look for "kde theme" in adept
[07:15] <_chouette> still says error, i'll try adept yes
[07:15] <ShanghaiTeej> hmm
[07:15] <ShanghaiTeej> can you copy/paste your screen on here?
[07:16] <ShanghaiTeej> try sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:16] <_chouette> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[07:16] <_chouette> ^^
[07:16] <mhterres> hmmmm
[07:17] <_chouette> k sudo nano seems to work
[07:17] <_chouette> what should i do after that ?
[07:18] <wijn> what is the most prefered bootloader here? Grub or Lilo?
[07:18] <epinephrine> grub is definetly superior to lilo.
[07:18] <epinephrine> but if it boots the OS, who cares? :)
[07:19] <wijn> indeed, but i want to chose the one of which i can change the default OS to boot
[07:19] <ShanghaiTeej> delete "#" before lines that begin with "deb..."
[07:20] <ShanghaiTeej> Deleting these "#", will enable adept to connect to internet servers to download a wider array of updates and programs
[07:22] <_chouette> I only delete the #, i dont move the deb line ?
[07:23] <mcscruff> just the #
[07:23] <mcscruff> so the line starts with deb
[07:23] <wijn> right lets see, is there any possibility to install kubuntu spread over 2 discs?
[07:23] <wijn> *2 hdd's
[07:23] <mcscruff> i think so
[07:24] <mcscruff> i cant see it being different thenusing more partitions
[07:24] <_chouette> and then, i should save or somtehing ?
[07:24] <ShanghaiTeej> yes
[07:24] <ShanghaiTeej> i think you press control-x
[07:24] <_chouette> Ctrl X is quit
[07:24] <mcscruff> ctrl+s
[07:24] <ShanghaiTeej> yeah
[07:24] <mcscruff> for file-save
[07:24] <mcscruff> *or
[07:24] <ShanghaiTeej> it will ask you to save anyway before you quit
[07:25] <ShanghaiTeej> then when you are in terminal again, type: sudo apt-get update
[07:25] <ShanghaiTeej> and that will update the newly added repositories....then run adept and you have a whole mess more programs to choose from
[07:25] <_chouette> Right :)
[07:25] <mcscruff> [18:25]  <ShanghaiTeej> then when you are in terminal again, type: sudo apt-get update <<or open adept and click fetch updates
[07:27] <_chouette> thanx :)...btw, what does Break means, when i try to install somthg from Adept ? The install doesnt seem to work
[07:27] <ShanghaiTeej> if you are having troubles with adept
[07:27] <ShanghaiTeej> i would try synaptic
[07:27] <ShanghaiTeej> does the same thing, but its a different and more stable program
[07:28] <ShanghaiTeej> type: sudo apt-get synaptic
[07:28] <ShanghaiTeej> into the terminal
[07:28] <wijn> holy crap how long is the resizing of partitions going to take
[07:29] <mcscruff> depends on hardware
[07:29] <mcscruff> :)
[07:29] <mcscruff> did u all know that im batman
[07:29] <mcscruff> :O
[07:29] <wijn> 10 minutes, still 0% :P
[07:29] <mcscruff> ^^bordem
[07:30] <mcscruff> what are u using to resize partitions?
[07:30] <wijn> the install program
[07:30] <mcscruff> i have never used it
[07:31] <mcscruff> always used full disk
[07:31] <wijn> oh damned why didn't i just use partition magic
[07:31] <wijn> well my disc is only 2 gb
[07:31] <wijn> and the other one is 4.3
[07:31] <mcscruff> shouldnt take too long then
[07:31] <wijn> so i'll try to install kubuntu spread over two discs :P
[07:31] <mcscruff> have one for /root and one for /home ?
[07:31] <wijn> yeah something like that if it's possible
[07:32] <mcscruff> im sure it is
[07:32] <wijn> well lets see then, but first this re-partitioning
[07:32] <wijn> i'm afraid if i'm going to abort it now, i'll screw up the entire disc
[07:33] <wawa_> Hi guys, I am getting this error when I am trying to start amsn; "Unable to obtain a socket from localhost"...any ideas?
[07:34] <mcscruff> what version of amsn?
[07:34] <wawa_> mcscruff: 1.95
[07:34] <mcscruff> 0.95 :P
[07:34] <wawa_> oh yeah :)
[07:35] <mcscruff> tbh i dont know, i dont have a problem ( but i also use a daily cvs build)
[07:35] <wawa_> mcscruff: It was working fine before, just these two days
[07:36] <mcscruff> does kopete still connect?
[07:36] <wawa_> mcscruff: Yeah it does
[07:36] <_chouette> Speaking of Kopete, is there a way to change the avatar image size ?
[07:36] <mcscruff> wawa_: all i can sugest is ask in #amsn
[07:36] <wawa_> mcscruff: Ok, thanks
[07:37] <tsdgeos> amsn 0.94 works here
[07:37] <mcscruff> 0.96b working here :)
[07:37] <wawa_> mcscruff: I will try to downgrade and see
[07:37] <mcscruff> :S
[07:37] <mcscruff> kk
[07:37] <wijn> oef still 0%, it's gonna be a long night for this computer
[07:38] <mcscruff> something must have gone wrong i didnt think re-sizing took that long
[07:38] <mcscruff> dont take my word tho
[07:38] <wijn> well it warned that it can take long time
[07:38] <mcscruff> im on dapper atm and installing breezy in a vm :O
[07:40] <wijn> Simon says: let's f*ck up the entire disc
[07:41] <_chouette> btw i was wondering (dont" laugh) if there's a need for antivirus and antispyware on Linux ?
[07:41] <vicks> some sort of acceibilty-function has been turned on in my dapper. when i press a control-key a lot of yellow labels turn up next to buttons and menus. can't find out where to turn it off. anyone knows anything about this?
[07:41] <vitriol> nope
[07:41] <_chouette> Some said no, but i mean, is there really no spyware of other things affecting it ?
[07:41] <vitriol> yes, thats correct
[07:42] <mcscruff> _chouette: there is av's for it but mostly for detecting windows ones
[07:42] <_chouette> Weird...why's that, because XP is the only system attacked cause its popularity ?
[07:43] <vitriol> you said it yourself :)
[07:43] <Blippe> _chouette, no, that is because *nix is based on security from ground up, and windows is not!
[07:43] <wijn> or is it because all those people with 0 knowledge of computers use windows xp? :D
[07:43] <mcscruff> _chouette: well its becuase u need a password to delete most important files in *nix and windows is like an old jacket.. full of holes
[07:43] <vitriol> thanks to all of you seeding the torrent
[07:44] <wijn> Simon says: Let's try partition magic
[07:44] <Blippe> _chouette, windows for example had all those ports listening with deamons ready to do about anything 'cause they weren't meant to be connected to anything like the internet
[07:45] <_chouette> Hm ok...and i suppose since Linux distributions are update often, thats why they're more solid too ?
[07:46] <Blippe> windows "were" built to be used by one user, linux by many, windows to be (if all) connected to a small trusted network, *nix to internet, so they had a whole different view on securitymeasures
[07:46] <holy_fool> question. how du i update the libglib2.0-0
[07:46] <vitriol> _chouette, if you don't have a hardware firewall (router) or are not using something like iptables, you are still at risk
[07:46] <vitriol> but spyware and virii will not be a problem
[07:46] <Blippe> _chouette, vitriol is wrong
[07:46] <Pupeno> Does anybody know what OS do IBM zSeries run ?
[07:46] <_chouette> vitriol o_O ?
[07:46] <Blippe> about the firewall, not virii
[07:47] <wijn> yo folks, thanks for your support, im gonna have a beer now and i'll try partition magic tomorrow
[07:47] <patty211> hi all
[07:47] <_chouette> So i need a firewall anyway...a good one to advice ?
[07:47] <wijn> cya
[07:47] <_chouette> bye
[07:47] <mcscruff> holy_fool: is there a newer one then libglib2.0-0 ??
[07:47] <mhterres> iptables
[07:47] <vitriol> _chouette, you mean to say you don't have your computer hooked up to a router?
[07:48] <Blippe> you don't need to configure the firewall ubuntu have installed on your system (iptables) because you have nothing listening on your system. if you install a service which does, you have to set it up...
[07:48] <ChoueTTe> No router
[07:48] <holy_fool> libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.5)
[07:48] <patty211> how do i install my nvida drivers
[07:48] <holy_fool> need
[07:48] <holy_fool> have 2.8.3
[07:48] <vitriol> ChoueTTe, in that case it'd be a good idea to install iptables
[07:48] <vitriol> ChoueTTe, also, try using rkhunter
[07:49] <vitriol> http://www.rootkit.nl/
[07:49] <Blippe> iptables are always installed, with ubuntu!
[07:49] <vitriol> it should be available through an ubuntu repo
[07:49] <patty211> how do i install my nvida drivers
[07:49] <Blippe> vitriol, stop spreading stupidity!
[07:49] <holy_fool> ^^
[07:51] <patty211> hi just installed ubuntu dapper drake but no bittorrent, how do i get it
[07:51] <Blippe> you   don't    f....ing    need    a     firewall    if    nothing    is    listening      on     your     system!
[07:51] <Blippe> patty, search for ktorrent, qtorrent or something of the like in adept!
[07:52] <patty211> ok cheers
[07:53] <nalioth> ChoueTTe: with a default kubuntu install, you don't need a firewall
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> (I know this is usually regarded as some kind of heresy, but:)  I'm talking and writing about Linux with a target audience of non-technical home Windows users.  One of the common responses is along the lines of "I'm used to Windows."  I figure it's safe to read this as "I want things to look like Windows".  Therefore, I am wondering if someone can provide recommendations for DEs, themes, backgrounds, etc. (links and/or screenshots 
[07:54] <holy_fool> fido bite... ^
[07:54] <holy_fool> ^
[07:54] <holy_fool> ^
[07:54] <holy_fool> ^_^
[07:55] <simian> is open office gtk2?
[07:55] <holy_fool> is there a possibility to update libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.3-0ubuntu1) to libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.5)?
[07:56] <holy_fool> my gstreamer0.8-mad is complaining abaout it
[07:57] <patty211> wat the command to see my ntfs partions
[07:57] <frank23> holy_fool: you can do it with libglib from debian unstable. I did it to install the latest mono (also from debian untstable). If you only use breezy repos however, you shouldn need to do that
[07:57] <holy_fool> kcontrol in pannel
[07:58] <holy_fool> debian aunstable?
[07:58] <patty211> wat the command to see my ntfs partions
[07:58] <holy_fool> got it thx
[07:58] <frank23> holy_fool: you use a debian "unstable" repository. It not that unstable though ;)
[07:59] <holy_fool> type kcontrol in console
[07:59] <holy_fool> in there the last point
[08:00] <holy_fool> system options...
[08:00] <patty211> any links to install nvidia drivers
[08:00] <vitriol> Blippe, when you have a MS in information systems, then you can call me stupid
[08:00] <vitriol> ;)
[08:00] <frank23> !nvidia
[08:00] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:00] <patty211> and wat about mp3
[08:01] <vitriol> you should be a little more polite at any rate
[08:01] <holy_fool> gstreamer0.8 mp3
[08:01] <holy_fool> gstreamer0.8-mad        mp3
[08:01] <frank23> !tell patty211 about restricted
[08:04] <Blippe> vitriol, would a MS in physics do?
[08:05] <Riddell> ** breezy testers for KDE 3.5.2 needed  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[08:05] <frank23> Blippe: for what?
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> Blippe: Does for me.  (/me is majoring in that.)
[08:06] <mcscruff> Riddell: is it gettin built on dapper too?
[08:07] <frank23> tonyyarusso: Blippe: I was in MSc Physics for over 2 years and left without finishing. being good at something is not the same as liking it!
[08:07] <tonyyarusso> frank23: Very true.
[08:08] <Riddell> mcscruff: already is, please do test that too
[08:08] <frank23> tonyyarusso: I even got a Phd scholarship and refused it ;)
[08:08] <Blippe> at any rate, even if somebody is Einstein himself doesn't make everything that persons say less false.
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> frank23: What'd you end up doing instead?
[08:09] <frank23> Blippe: about not needing a firewall if no ports are open? that's true
[08:09] <patty211> is there a command to mount ntfs partions
[08:10] <frank23> tonyyarusso: not sure yet. I'm looking for a job in something IT related
[08:10] <holy_fool> how do i change amork as standard player to kaffeine player...
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> frank23: Ah.  (Let me know if you can suggest a summer job in that field...)
[08:11] <holy_fool> you can do it all under system settings
[08:12] <Blippe> holy_fool, open konqueror, settings - configure konwueror, file associations...
[08:12] <patty211> is there a command to mount ntfs partions
[08:12] <holy_fool> k thx
[08:12] <Blippe> holy_fool, and there you have to change it for every type of file you want to change it for
[08:13] <holy_fool> thx
[08:13] <patty211> why cant i see my ntfs partitions
[08:13] <mcscruff> patty211: sudo mount /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount to here>
[08:14] <patty211> is there a code to do it for me as i dont know the names
[08:15] <Blippe> isn't there a nice interface for it in system-settings?
[08:15] <patty211> wat disks
[08:15] <heinkel_111> which kind of repositories carry the w32codecs package?
[08:16] <heinkel_111> is that in the universe or multiverse?
[08:17] <Blippe> heinkel_111, neither...
[08:17] <Blippe> !w32codecs
[08:17] <ubotu> somebody said w32codecs was a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[08:18] <heinkel_111> thx Blippe
[08:21] <patty211> why cant i play my .wma files
[08:23] <patty211> why cant i play my .wma files
[08:25] <brunft> are NFS experts present?
[08:25] <brunft> i am permanently mounting a NFS export but it takes forever :(
[08:26] <brunft> The export contains 122 gigs on the server
[08:26] <attax|thana> Can someone tell me whether my shortcuts, configs, etc will survive an update from breezy to dapper?
[08:28] <holy_fool> what do i need to play ogg?
[08:28] <holy_fool> sry ogm
[08:35] <cata> hi everybody
[08:48] <holy_fool> i have a package wich need another package which needs the previos package....
[08:50] <holy_fool> could someone help me
[08:51] <holy_fool> libpango1.0-0_1.10.4-1_i386.deb needs libpango1.0-common_1.10.4-1_i386.deb
[08:51] <trappist> sudo dpkg -i libpango1.0-0_1.10.4-1_i386.deb libpango1.0-common_1.10.4-1_i386.deb
[08:51] <holy_fool> ill try it thx
[08:51] <trappist> but why are you installing libpango without using apt-get?
[08:52] <holy_fool> gstreamer0.8-misc_0.8.12-1_i386.deb needs it
[08:53] <holy_fool> it worked thx
[08:55] <tolonuga> hi. can anyone tell me where I can find the scripts and files that are used to create the kubuntu nightly live cd images?
[08:57] <trappist> oh what a tangled web we weave
[08:57] <trappist> holy_fool: and why are you installing *that* without apt-get?
[08:57] <holy_fool> apt-get?
[08:57] <holy_fool> i want to play ogm
[08:57] <trappist> apt-get is the preferred method of installing software on ubuntu
[08:57] <trappist> yes...
[08:58] <trappist> gstreamer and its plugins and libpango are all available from the repos (if you have the right repos set up) via apt-get
[08:58] <holy_fool> i insatll a packeage look what it needs and so on
[08:58] <trappist> that's not really the way to go
[08:59] <trappist> apt-get will resolve dependencies for you and help make sure you don't end up with a package for another distro/version that will screw up your system
[08:59] <holy_fool> but it works .P
[08:59] <simian> is there a way to configure apache through your browser
[08:59] <trappist> k.
[08:59] <trappist> simian: not a good way
[08:59] <holy_fool> and how do i set it up
[08:59] <holy_fool> ?
[09:00] <trappist> add universe and multiverse repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update
[09:00] <simian> trappist: ok but where is a good place to get started (apache) for a complete beginner
[09:00] <holy_fool> ... ok and in nooblanguage
[09:01] <trappist> lemme try the bot...
[09:01] <trappist> !tell holy_fool about repos
[09:01] <holy_fool> ^^
[09:01] <holy_fool> thx
[09:01] <MacAnthony> trappist: does synaptic use apt-get as a backend?
[09:01] <trappist> yes
[09:02] <simian> lol poor trappist is getting flooded with questions
[09:02] <MacAnthony> sorry - his answer made me think of the question :)
[09:02] <trappist> holy_fool: then you can just say sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-misc
[09:18] <holy_fool> nicht auf die Liste http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)
[09:18] <holy_fool> W: Kann nicht auf die Liste http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-b
[09:19] <holy_fool> hm i, trying to remove libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0_0.8.12-1_i386.deb
[09:19] <holy_fool> but i get the failure 127...
[09:21] <trappist> sudo apt-get remove libgstreamer-gconf0.8
[09:22] <holy_fool> couldnt find package
[09:23] <holy_fool> ist insatlled but not configured....
[09:23] <trappist> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:23] <trappist> or sudo dpkg-configure -a
[09:24] <holy_fool> command notbfound
[09:24] <holy_fool> not found
[09:25] <trappist> oh it's dpkg-reconfigure
[09:25] <holy_fool> thx
[09:26] <trappist> the preferred solution should be in the output that tells you it's installed but not configured
[09:26] <ChoueTTe> Someone know how to install a new theme for KDE, like this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=33522  ?
[09:29] <holy_fool> keymap: programmer, latin1 & latin1 - no dead keys, whats the diference
[09:29] <holy_fool> ?
[09:30] <holy_fool> sryy that im useing u as a wiki ^^ & thx
[09:30] <flixor-> hi everybody
[09:31] <flixor-> i found something strange on my box, which i do not like
[09:34] <flixor-> I have created a guest account on my box, i enabled auto login and passwordless login for this user, however now every other user on the system does not have to provide a password when loggin in on the system via kdm
[09:35] <flixor-> dont know if this is a kubuntu problem or a kde problem
[09:36] <Tm_T> well, you can't set just one user passwordless, and it's not even wise to do
[09:36] <Tm_T> iirc
[09:36] <Tm_T> but I might be wrong ;)
[09:36] <trappist> a single user can be passwordless
[09:37] <trappist> but I think kdm does autologin or not, and of course can only do it for one user
[09:38] <flixor-> Tm_T: its not the point what wise is and what not, this behaviour should not occur
[09:39] <flixor-> the current situation that anybody could login into the system when ones know the users on the system
[09:40] <trappist> flixor-: how is a user logging in through kdm if kdm autologins the guest account?
[09:40] <flixor-> delay 10 seconds
[09:41] <flixor-> however when this user is loggin out  then the behaviour is not to relogin this same user
[09:41] <trappist> gotcha
[09:41] <trappist> well that sounds like a nasty bug to me.  one that wants a nasty bug report.
[09:42] <flixor-> yes but i want somebody who could replicate this
[09:42] <flixor-> trappist: create a guest account and do auto login for this user and password less login for this user
[09:42] <flixor-> and see if you are able to login into your other account without haveing to provide a password
[09:43] <trappist> flixor-: the box I'm on now I'd have to mess things up pretty bad to do that, but I can try it at home tonight where I'm already halfway there
[09:43] <flixor-> anybody else who could replicate this
[09:46] <trappist> actually hang on lemme try...
[09:47] <flixor-> kee :)
[09:47] <flixor-> btw trappist i used the control center
[09:47] <trappist> that's what I'm doing
[09:49] <GNU_Style> how do I install kde 3.5.1 in kubuntu?
[09:50] <GNU_Style> how do I install kde 3.5.1 in kubuntu?
[09:52] <me2win> GNU_Style, update KDE from the repos
[09:52] <GNU_Style> it installed 3.5 only not 3.51
[09:52] <trappist> flixor-: I can't duplicate it here.  I still have to supply a password.  but I'm on dapper.
[09:53] <flixor-> i am allso on dapper, upgraded form breezy
[09:54] <GNU_Style> how to upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[09:55] <me2win> need to download the ISO from the website
[09:55] <holy_fool> removing libstream-gconf0.8-0...          /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0.prerm: 6: gconf-schemas_ not found
[09:56] <trappist> holy_fool: where did you get these packages anyway
[09:56] <GNU_Style> i have the flight 4 iso on CD.. what do I do to upgrade
[09:56] <GNU_Style> ?
[09:56] <Annirak> I'm trying to get remote X working with kubuntu-desktop.  I think I have everything configured right with one exception.  kdm is listening on udp6:177 and I can't connect with udp4.  How can I change that so that I can connect with udp4?
[09:57] <reon> GNU_Style: Best to download tonights build and install from scratch. Flight 5 takes 247MB of downloads. Just did it today.
[09:57] <holy_fool> http://packages.debian.org/
[10:01] <solt> hello
[10:09] <nico8481> hi
[10:42] <SoBeIcedT> how do i make an app start on boot?, in gentoo i just used rc-update add xyc
[10:43] <Blippe> 1. put it in a startup script (rc). 2. put it in ~/.kde/autostart
[10:45] <solt> good, i wanted to know that too :-)
[10:45] <solt> to run cpushare in idleprio and boinc
[10:45] <solt> how do i make screenshots?
[10:46] <solt> i only know a way that involves running the terminal and using: import screenshot.png and then clicking on the window or the desktop
[10:52] <Annirak> I'm trying to get remote X working with kubuntu-desktop.  I think I have everything configured right with one exception.  kdm is listening on udp6:177 and I can't connect with udp4.  How can I change that so that I can connect with udp4?
[10:57] <closeasperil> hello! i have the following bug in kde 3.5.1 the clock wont show the hours of time but say like HH:57:34 instead of 22:57:34. the system clock itself must be ok, because in the console it shows the right time perfectly. but in the applications like kontakt and kmail it wont show the huors. any guess anyone??
[10:59] <solt> kde bugs are to be reported elsewhere i think.
[11:01] <closeasperil> well my kubuntu runs with kde :D doesnt it?
[11:01] <mornfall> hola
[11:02] <Blippe> closeasperil, if you check the string for the setup of the clock, how does it look?
[11:02] <ryanakca> is there a configuration utility that lets you configure apache? and please, don't give me a smart comment like "vim" or "emacs" or "kedit".
[11:03] <Blippe> some people use webmin...
[11:03] <closeasperil> Blippe: well in the setup its same. funnyly the digital clock displays the right time
[11:04] <ryanakca> Blippe: kubuntu has moved stuff around and played with the config so much that webmin doesn't recognise the apache things... this is dapper I'm talking about...
[11:04] <Blippe> ryanakca, dapper is in #ubuntu+1
[11:04] <holy_fool> scuse me but how du i go in the console into a directory
[11:05] <sledge> holy_fool: cd
[11:05] <holy_fool> hm ok thx
[11:06] <mcscruff> cd <name here>
[11:06] <mcscruff> or cd hel*
[11:08] <solt> well, i always hated configuration tools of any sort because they usually mess the configuration. change indentation, text wrapping, move things around -- so i use my favourite editor for it, including apache configs, which in apache2 are scattered around, but once you take a minute or two to grasp it, it all starts to make sense.
[11:09] <trappist> yeah I like the way apache2 configs are laid out
[11:09] <trappist> I like the whole available/enabled thing
[11:10] <trappist> a2enmod and all that
[11:11] <fatejudger> is there any way to get sound mixing working in Dapper?
[11:14] <solt> trappist: me too
[11:15] <solt> hm, everytime i stop getting sound i run alsamixer and see if wave, pcm or any other is muted or set to 0
[11:16] <solt> when I set appropriate controls i run sudo alsactl store to store settings
[11:17] <MacAnthony> when you install kubuntu, does it allow you control over partitioning or does it do it automatically
[11:18] <Blissex> MacAnthony: well, either, depending how advanced a user you are.
[11:18] <MacAnthony> I was thinking of installing it this weekend to try it out but to back up my machine, I was going to put my stuff in an extra partition
[11:18] <solt> MacAnthony: you can control it very well, just go for manual
[11:19] <holy_fool> i have jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin how do i install this?
[11:19] <MacAnthony> I was going to try it out anyway, but thought I would ask - just for reassurance :)
[11:19] <solt> chmod 700 jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[11:19] <solt> ./jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[11:20] <solt> the first command sets executable flag on the file, (and zeroes flags for group and others)
[11:20] <holy_fool> thx
[11:20] <solt> the second runs it
[11:22] <solt> hm, i think you could also just type
[11:22] <solt> sh jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[11:22] <holy_fool> commend not found (2nd)
[11:23] <solt> (that ./ is important there)
[11:23] <holy_fool> hm thaht looks better
[11:23] <holy_fool> the sh...
[11:23] <solt> :-)
[11:26] <sebastian> Can anyone help me with VMware player?  I have installed it and Qemu.  I have been experimenting with the vmx file, but everything I have tryed has given me an error.  I want to install Windows 2000 Pro into Breezy.
[11:29] <holy_fool> Creating jre1.5.0_06/lib/rt.jar
[11:29] <holy_fool> Creating jre1.5.0_06/lib/jsse.jar
[11:29] <holy_fool> Creating jre1.5.0_06/lib/charsets.jar
[11:29] <holy_fool> Creating jre1.5.0_06/lib/ext/localedata.jar
[11:29] <holy_fool> Creating jre1.5.0_06/lib/plugin.jar
[11:29] <holy_fool> Creating jre1.5.0_06/lib/javaws.jar
[11:29] <holy_fool> Creating jre1.5.0_06/lib/deploy.jar
[11:29] <holy_fool> and now =) ?
[11:30] <solt> holy_fool: well the .bin file only extracts its contents. you have it extracted to disk, that's all
[11:30] <holy_fool> ok
[11:30] <solt> if you need java cli you can find it in the bin directory inside
[11:31] <holy_fool> i need it for a homepage
[11:31] <solt> if you want some browser, like opera, or others to run the sun java, there is the lib directory in there
[11:31] <holy_fool> javaaplet chat
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : Whats the problem ?
[11:31] <solt> and (don't remember where exactly) is a file that browsers need
[11:31] <sebastian> I don't know what to put as the vmx file
[11:31] <sebastian> what it wants
[11:31] <solt> it's a .so file
[11:32] <sebastian> everything I have tryed.  just gives me a error when I open the file in VMware player
[11:32] <solt> btw. let's see if I have java :-)
[11:33] <MacAnthony> the lib directory should be seperated by browser
[11:33] <holy_fool> ^^
[11:33] <MacAnthony> lib/mozilla
[11:33] <MacAnthony> etc
[11:33] <holy_fool> if not u colud write your installsteps ^^
[11:33] <solt> ok, i don't have java, i'll install it and tell you
[11:33] <holy_fool> could
[11:33] <solt> holy_fool: which browser you are using?
[11:33] <MacAnthony> it's been a while since I've done it, but that's how I remember it
[11:33] <holy_fool> konqueror
[11:34] <solt> aa,
[11:34] <solt> so if you have it extracted, you need to tell konqueror where the java binary is
[11:34] <solt> so
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : try mine http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10727 - Its from vmware workstation
[11:35] <solt> settings->setup: konqueror -> java and javascript -> path to java
[11:35] <dse0504> Konqueror:  I just bookmarked this yesterday, but I haven't installed it yet:  http://www.konqueror.org/javahowto/
[11:35] <holy_fool> im there
[11:35] <holy_fool> but whats the path
[11:35] <solt> find the java file
[11:36] <solt> find jre1.5.0_06 - name java
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: you will still have to create the disk somehow (maybe with qemu)
[11:36] <sebastian> I got the disk I think already
[11:36] <sebastian> I downloaded something
[11:36] <solt> find jre1.5.0_06 -name java
[11:37] <holy_fool> jre1.5.0_06/bin/java
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : rename it to "Windows 2000 Professional.vmdk" and it should work if it doesn't tell me
[11:39] <solt> :-)
[11:39] <sebastian> I was on this page:  http://wolphination.com/linux/?p=18  it's really for getting Linux working on Windows, but  it has a OS.zip download.  which I downloadced.  and experimetned with
[11:39] <sebastian> extracted into a folder
[11:39] <sebastian> and edited stuff so on
[11:40] <borelia> !privoxy
[11:40] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, borelia
[11:40] <sebastian> the OS.zip being the OS.vmdk file and OS.vmx file
[11:40] <solt> so this will give you the path:
[11:40] <solt> echo `pwd`/jre1.5.0_06/bin/java
[11:41] <borelia> !tor
[11:41] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, borelia
[11:43] <holy_fool> ive entered it in konqueror ut its still isnt working
[11:43] <solt> there is a browse button, try navigating to the java file
[11:43] <solt> maybe it needs a restart?
[11:44] <holy_fool> yeah konqueror restart
[11:44] <holy_fool> its working
[11:44] <holy_fool> thank yo
[11:45] <holy_fool> linux is fun ^^ ....
[11:45] <holy_fool> ...with the needed help.
[11:47] <holy_fool> when u torrent gets a linux client i stay on linux ^^
[11:49] <solt> utorrent ? :-) hmm, maybe you could run it under wine?
[11:49] <solt> for now ktorrent is pretty neat
[11:49] <fatejudger> who cares about utorrent
[11:49] <fatejudger> it's stupid
[11:49] <holy_fool> me
[11:49] <frolik> hi kubuntu chums
[11:49] <fatejudger> ktorrent is far better
[11:50] <fatejudger> it's modular and better
[11:50] <fatejudger> I'd guess you've never even used ktorrent 1.2
[11:50] <holy_fool> but utorrent i could use in linux AND windows
[11:50] <sebastian> still here
[11:50] <sebastian> hell spawn?
[11:50] <sebastian> h3sp4wn
[11:50] <fatejudger> holy_fool: why in the hell would you do that?
[11:50] <holy_fool> at the moment i can only donwload under windows
[11:50] <holy_fool> the same program
[11:50] <fatejudger> holy_fool: then use Ktorrent
[11:51] <holy_fool> same dowlod paths
[11:51] <fatejudger> holy_fool: so?
[11:51] <holy_fool> same files can be downloaded under linux and windows
[11:51] <fatejudger> holy_fool: what makes you think that Ktorrent can't do that?
[11:51] <frolik> if you want the best way to donwnload torrents you should look into btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> rtorrent is fine for me
[11:51] <frolik> runs in a shell, minimal memory usage
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> sebastian : I am here yes
[11:51] <holy_fool> im not saying that ktorrent and other clints are lame or something
[11:51] <frolik> blah blah blah etc.
[11:52] <fatejudger> holy_fool: I understand what you want to do
[11:52] <holy_fool> but i have 30gig on files under utorrent
[11:52] <sebastian> had a message about the disk and
[11:52] <fatejudger> holy_fool: what makies you think you can't do that?
[11:52] <fatejudger> *makes
[11:52] <frolik> frolik: I use that too, it's really cool
[11:52] <holy_fool> i cant do what
[11:52] <fatejudger> holy_fool: you could easily continue downloads from Linux if your partition was accessible by Linux
[11:52] <fatejudger> holy_fool: from any other client
[11:52] <solt> man, the second boss in powermanga is hard :-)
[11:52] <holy_fool> it is
[11:52] <fatejudger> holy_fool: then do it
[11:53] <solt> yes, that's the beauty :-)
[11:53] <fatejudger> holy_fool: just download ktorrent
[11:53] <fatejudger> holy_fool: point it to your download directory
[11:53] <holy_fool> isnt it aprob tu dowload the same file with 2 different clients
[11:53] <fatejudger> holy_fool: and tell it to finish it
[11:53] <fatejudger> holy_fool: no, it isn't
[11:53] <holy_fool> hm interessting
[11:53] <solt> not really, that's what the protocol is for
[11:54] <sebastian> when I try the vmx file.  I get the The location of the virtual machiens configuraiton file has changed.....  and every time I got that I have said crate a new one
[11:54] <fatejudger> I don't understand why I can't mix sound in Dapper
[11:54] <fatejudger> it just isn't working
[11:54] <fatejudger> but I haven't heard of anyone else having that problem
[11:54] <solt> fatejudger: no sound at all?
[11:54] <fatejudger> solt: I can't mix sound
[11:54] <fatejudger> solt: like play an mp3 and have KDE's sound daemon running
[11:55] <solt> sound is tricky, i read somewhere that dapper is getting rid of artsd i think
[11:55] <fatejudger> solt: probably not in this release
[11:55] <solt> whenever i had problems i tried setting programs to use alsa
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> sebastian: try putting the files into /home/windows/Windows 2000 Professional
[11:55] <fatejudger> solt: most likely Dapper+1
[11:56] <solt> hm, maybe so.
[11:56] <fatejudger> solt: I have, but it doesn't work
[11:56] <solt> anything in the logs?
[11:56] <sebastian> and now I am getting a message saying:  Virtual device scsi0:0 is configured as host disk /home/sebastian/OS/Windows 2000 Professional.vmdk". This disk was created as a IDE disk with IDE Geogmetry  .  IT is likely there will be problems with using
[11:56] <sebastian> and expesailly botitng the disk as a SCSI disk
[11:56] <sebastian> that was from before
[11:56] <sebastian> i'll try the other folder
[11:57] <sebastian> putting in the folder you suggested
[11:57] <holy_fool> hm how do i write stuff on ntfs drives
[11:57] <fatejudger> solt: well what happens is one program will end up hogging up the sound device
[11:57] <solt> holy_fool: oops :-)
[11:57] <fatejudger> solt: and no other programs can use it
[11:57] <holy_fool> =)
[11:57] <fatejudger> holy_fool: lol
[11:57] <fatejudger> holy_fool: you don't
[11:57] <holy_fool> with a pan
[11:58] <solt> well you can actually
[11:58] <solt> but it's a trick
[11:58] <fatejudger> solt: yeah, if you'd like to seriously screw up your partition
[11:58] <fatejudger> solt: or recompile your kernel
[11:58] <holy_fool> ya sure i use linux since yesterday
[11:58] <fatejudger> holy_fool: just copy your torrent dir over to your ext3 partition
[11:59] <holy_fool> 30gigs on a 7gig partition
[11:59] <holy_fool> ill try it =)
[11:59] <solt> first of propably your NTFS driver is not configured for write support. and if it were you wouldn't be any good, because write support in the kernel is very limited, like. only write to files, when the write does not change its size, or write to sparse files, etc... but there is a way, called captive-ntfs
[11:59] <fatejudger> holy_fool: Windows can write to ext3 pretty easily with the right program
[11:59] <fatejudger> holy_fool: best to make an intermediary partition, which would be ext3
[11:59] <solt> it does give you everything you'd need
[11:59] <holy_fool> i dont have a permission to write on my ntfs partition
[12:00] <fatejudger> holy_fool: that's a good thing
[12:00] <solt> holy_fool: mount permissions are one thing, the other are the capabilities
[12:00] <holy_fool> or fat 32
[12:00] <fatejudger> holy_fool: you'd be better off creating an ext3 partition
[12:00] <fatejudger> holy_fool: fat32 has a 4 gb file size limit
[12:00] <solt> i would disagree
[12:00] <fatejudger> holy_fool: and sucks overall
[12:00] <fatejudger> solt: it's what I use
[12:01] <fatejudger> solt: and I've tried many setups
[12:01] <fatejudger> solt: an ext3 intermediary partition is by far the best
[12:01] <fatejudger> solt: very fast, and very portable
[12:01] <holy_fool> i use fat 32 on win 98 with a 16gig hdd, if my memory doesnt fail me
[12:01] <solt> i remember using captive-ntfs in linux to read/write from ntfs partition without any probles, and that was on mandrake (back tehn) about 2 years ago
[12:02] <solt> captive-ntfs uses the ntfs.sys driver from windows
[12:02] <solt> it's a wrapper, so it's pretty safe
[12:02] <solt> like ndiswrapper
[12:02] <solt> however, using write support from the kernel, that's something i would discourage