[12:02] Seveas: right. thats the bit that needs further testing [12:03] ok, so I'll be offline a bit longer to test both (I'll reboot) [12:06] siretart: tried new package - NM 0.6.1 still works with it ;-) [12:07] Lure: that would have surprised me, because the only changes where in the startup script, which nm doesn't use anyway :) [12:07] siretart: what's the wpa-conf thing supposed to *do* [12:08] $ nm -D --demangle /usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so | grep 'nsAString_internal()' [12:08] 00087522 T nsAString_internal::~nsAString_internal() [12:08] 000874ea T nsAString_internal::~nsAString_internal() [12:08] siretart: where is new TYPE= field documented? [12:08] does anybody knows if that's normal? [12:08] Keybuk: it basically chooses which of the 3 modes is going to be used [12:08] how can the same symbol be defined twice? [12:08] siretart: except it only switches between two of them, no? [12:08] seb128: perhaps a versioned symbol? [12:09] Keybuk: yes, mode 3 is independent from ifupdown [12:09] why would versionning make it defined twice? [12:11] Keybuk: for nm, I think you wouldn't want to touch any wpasupplicant configuration at all. mode 1 is nice if you want to hack up gnome-system-admin or something. [12:11] well, okay, the user could shoot himself in the foot by activating the supplicant there and trying to use nm [12:12] in this case you would have 2 supplicants running compating after the interface. but hey.. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] siretart, it's very broken [12:13] fuck [12:13] link mode doesn't work at all due to syntax errors, and the stop action makes lsb_logging complain about integer argument required [12:13] the whole thing is utterly broken :/ [12:13] * Stopping wpa_supplicant... [12:13] /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: line 96: [: done.: integer expression expected [12:13] /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: line 116: [: done.: integer expression expected [12:13] ...fail! [12:13] /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: line 122: return: done.: numeric argument required [12:13] invoke-rc.d: initscript wpasupplicant, action "stop" failed. [12:14] argl, I didn't upload my latest deb [12:14] sorry [12:14] doko: around? [12:14] will upgrade my wlan here to wpa tomorrow and to extensively testing [12:14] seb128: for you? [12:15] doko: no, just for a question :p [12:15] doko: [12:15] ;) [12:15] siretart, could you please upload the latest so it won't break ^_^ [12:15] $ nm -D --demangle /usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so | grep 'nsAString_internal()' [12:15] 00087522 T nsAString_internal::~nsAString_internal() [12:15] 000874ea T nsAString_internal::~nsAString_internal() [12:15] doko: is that something normal or buggish? [12:15] Seveas: on my way [12:15] doko: same symbol defined twice [12:16] seb128: in the same object file? [12:16] doko: cf the command [12:16] doko: that's a nm -D --demangle on /usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so [12:18] hmm, can't see these in the mozilla libs [12:20] nm -D --demangle /usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom.so|grep nsAString_internal doesn't show anything [12:20] which architecture is this? [12:21] i386 [12:21] Seveas: ok, the syntax foo should be fixed now [12:21] dennis@mirage:~$ nm -D --demangle /usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom.so | grep ns [12:21] 0000168c T NS_GetFrozenFunctions [12:21] doko: you made a typoe [12:21] siretart, gracias [12:21] doko: _core.so [12:21] doko: wrong file [12:21] Seveas: same [12:21] gotcha [12:23] seb128, there are more doubles === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:24] Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant ... [12:24] Seveas: the question is if that's normal to get dups, the number is an another one :p [12:24] since when is an init script a config file? [12:25] (I might go offline, testing siretarts madness :)) [12:25] Seveas: everything below /etc/ is a conffile by default in recent debhelper versions === siretart giggles [12:25] Seveas: why shouldn't your init changes be respected? :) [12:28] hmm, strange, and none is a weak symbol [12:29] and mozilla-dev doesn't have this symbol at all === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] siretart, other than my network (either router or card) going bananas if I do the ifupdown dance to often too fast (which sadly is normal) it works like a charm in both link and daemon mode [12:33] hmm [12:33] wpa still working with madwifi for me [12:34] Seveas: right, I noticed that as well [12:34] ok. so didn't have that much crack. thanks for testing [12:34] siretart, but this has always been the case so it's not new to this version [12:34] somehow the GROUP_HANDSHAKE is failing [12:35] Seveas: at the testplace, I noticed that authentication took a veeery long time :/ [12:35] doko: that's a --demangle [12:36] doko: thanks to jbailey which made me try without it :p [12:36] siretart, actually, it seemed to be much quicker here [12:36] doko: that's a --demangle bug I mean [12:38] well, one independent tester says its okay. Keybuk: shall I upload to dapper to get broader testing? [12:39] siretart: I've uploaded already === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["So] [12:39] oh. ok [12:40] will probably upset the universe users, of course [12:40] but it's "fit for main" now imo [12:40] :) [12:40] so gmane seems to have a significant lag for dapper-changes. good to know [12:41] not realluy [12:41] ah, there it is [12:41] I don't know when mails go to the -changes list [12:42] wpasupplicant in /sbin?! [12:42] sure [12:42] otherwise how you going to mount your NFS /usr over a WPA network? :p === bddebian [n=bddebian@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman [12:42] why not directly in early userspace :p [12:42] more pointedly, wpa_supplicant is started by ifup, which is started by udev [12:43] all of which are before /usr is available [12:43] so our policy is that anything related must be in /sbin [12:43] anyone using NFS /usr on a wireless machine is inviting danger anyway [12:43] so you could nfsroot it via wpasecured network :) [12:43] but still a fair point [12:43] HrdwrBoB: actually, that's a reasonably far-out use case [12:43] the real problem would be anyone with /usr on a different filesystem wouldn't get their network device brought up :p [12:44] Keybuk: do you think it would be reasonable for debian as well to have them in /sbin rather than /usr/sbin? [12:45] yes; your experimental packages already had that change, btw [12:45] I just double-honoured it [12:45] right, but it isn't uploaded yet, after all [12:45] though the Debian boot sequence is rather different from ours [12:46] ok === j^ [n=j@e178030038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] I also changed the pre-up script slightly; wpa-conf didn't make much sense to me, so I made it just start wpa_supplicant if *any* wpa-* option was given [12:46] as that kinda implies the mode [12:46] ok [12:46] I foresaw a hundred "you forgot to also put 'wpa-conf managed' in there too" bugs [12:46] or "I put 'wpa-conf Managed' and it didn't work" bugs [12:47] hm. I see [12:47] will see how it goes [12:47] lets see how our users react on this. [12:47] aye [12:47] I like it anyway, it's exactly how I'd've written it [12:47] :) [12:48] and it does feel natural [12:48] auto eth1 [12:48] iface eth1 inet dhcp [12:48] wpa-driver madwifi [12:48] wpa-ssid linksys [12:48] wpa-psk blahblahblah [12:48] what I don't like about the current solution is that everything is horribly case sensitive and you got NO debugging aid at all [12:49] but well, we'll see how much that will bite future bug submitters [12:49] I would hope most people editing config files are aware that UNIX is generally case sensitive [12:50] ie. you can't put "IFACE" in that file for a start [12:52] for my internet cafe, this is a real world example: [12:52] iface ath0 inet dhcp [12:52] wpa-key-mgmt WPA-EAP [12:52] wpa-eap PEAP [12:52] wpa-identity rt [12:52] wpa-password foobar [12:53] (plus the obvious wpa-driver and essid stuff) - especially that part with key-mgmt and eap having to be UPPERCASE has bitten me [12:53] I don't really understand wpa enough to know the difference between psk and password [12:53] what is it? [12:54] there are over a dozen variants of doing wpa. the easy ones are called wpa-psk. you can do that with TKIP (wpa1) or RSN(using aes, sometimes called wpa2) [12:54] the more interesting ones are called nowadays 'wpa-enterprise' this involves authentication agains radius servers [12:55] in that setup, we have a freeradius server authenticating against a mysql database [12:55] siretart, the ones you got a user/password to get in? [12:55] xhaker: sorry? [12:55] ah, and thus the identity/password pair? [12:56] wpa-enterprise.. uses certs and user/password authentication [12:56] right? [12:56] Keybuk: right. these credentials are presented to the radius server, which itself consults something else [12:56] xhaker: right [12:56] Keybuk: more advanced setups use a PKI infrastructure and x509 certificates [12:57] will this madness be wired to network-admin? [12:57] again using freeradius, which happens to hand out crypto/key material suitable for commen nas implementations around [12:57] tried that at my university today.. it wouldn't allow me to login though.. the AP's are there.. but i guess they haven't that connected to something yet [12:58] j^: well, it shouldn't be hard, now that we have wpasupplicant with ifupdown integration in dapper :) [12:58] j^: but we are after feature freeze after all [12:59] siretart it took a year to get WEP right in network-admin so i guess by that time NetworkAdmin should be all you need [12:59] j^: wep and this one look quite similar. when I find some time, perhaps I can hack on a patch for that === Keybuk wonders what nm-crash-logger is supposed to do === j^ tries to find out why NM 0.6 breakes orinoco_pci/hostap_pci === siretart gets some sleep. cu tomorrow! === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] hnnrgh [01:08] who is responsible for CUPS in dapper? [01:09] pitti [01:09] yay for a) adding manufacturer autodetection from the USB info [01:09] and b) moving half the useful HP printer drivers into a pseudo-manufacturer called HP (HPLIP) [01:09] meaning that it detects that I have a HP Deskjet 5740 and forwards me straight to a list where my printer does not appear [01:10] *sigh* [01:11] Excellent communicateur l'humour ravageur, les confrences de Jeff Waugh sont clbres pour la quantit d'interjections que l'on peut y trouver : Rock 'n' roll , Awesome! Awesome! . [01:11] awesome. [01:12] now it's cone into an infinite loop [01:12] select(1024, [0 1 6 7 8 9] , [7] , NULL, {1, 0}) = 1 (out [7] , left {1, 0}) [01:12] time(NULL) = 1143159140 === Robot101 cries === na7e [n=nate@198.150.12.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] Robot101, ranting won't help - filing a bug will [01:15] I will look at it more closely tomorrow, but I'm too tired now to file a useful one... I just wanted to print something === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/33545 [01:22] Malone bug 33545 in cupsys "cupsd hangs when HP printer is added with web interface" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:22] it seems to be that === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === na7e [n=nate@198.150.12.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] anyone with a powerbook having problem to suspend to ram ? === hyperactivecrond [i=myuid@adsl-68-255-172-1.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] can we _not_ make ubotu join #debian-bots? [01:46] idk it seems that we're too conforming if we make him /join #debian... ubugtu and ubuntulog dont [02:13] Is ubuntu not supposed ot mount usbfs? [02:16] wasabi_; see /dev/bus/usb/... [02:18] Oh it's just in a different location. [02:18] Hmm. [02:19] Hmm. Possibilty of mounting it in both places for legacy apps, perhaps? [02:19] /proc/bus/usb, etc. [02:23] legacy apps won't work because the permissions will be wrong [02:23] so no real point mounting it [02:23] better to get the apps fixed [02:24] hmm. [02:24] Sure, if all those apps are open source. ;) [02:24] no biggy to do it manually, thx. ;) [02:25] mako: are you available for a talk? [02:27] /dev/bus/usb != /proc/bus/usb [02:27] /dev/bus/usb contains device nodes created and managed by udev using events from the usb_device subsystem [02:27] /proc/bus/usb is a hacky kernel pseudo-filesystem [02:28] you can always mount it if you need it, but you'll need to chmod/chown things [02:37] siretart: ping? [02:38] _ion: ping? [02:38] <_ion> keybuk: pong [02:38] _ion: I may be just being stupid here ... but how does nm-applet request a WPA key? :) [02:38] it says in the log that "NO valid key exists New key needed" and just sits there for a bit before giving up [02:39] <_ion> I haven't looked at how n-m does WPA stuff _at all_. :-) I don't have a WPA network. [02:39] <_ion> My machine is connected only via a wired network. [02:41] for me, it just came up with a dialog to enter the key [02:41] & then it just worked :) [02:41] weird [02:41] it came up with a dialog on the 11th attempt [02:41] and now always does [02:41] freeeeaky [02:42] oh [02:42] no [02:42] "took too long" [02:42] HAH [02:42] Keybuk there is some issue with old passwords saved in the keyring === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] I do dislike how there's no way for gnome-keyring to have a "yeah, always let nm-applet have access" [02:47] libnotify-WARNING **: Received unknown action default [02:47] NOBODY EXPECTS THE DEFAULT ACTION! [02:47] Keybuk absolutly there should be a keyring that is opened than logging in === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-143-165.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] gnome bug 326925 [02:48] Gnome bug 326925 in general "need for a keyring that is unlocked than logging in" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326925 [02:49] clearly I am Mr Stupid [02:49] because I cannot get NM and WPA to play nice [02:49] I put in my WPA key, it associates and disassociates for a while [02:49] then gives up === ctd [n=ctd@home.deigan.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] which driver? [02:50] madwifi [02:51] hm, latest kernel + the patch that is in the unofficial NM should work [02:51] dont have one though [02:51] indeed [02:51] it works if I run wpa_supplicant myself [02:51] it's just NM's WPA puppetry === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] hm, is radeon oss broken for everyone? [02:53] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2006-March/msg00555.html [02:53] Are you using madwifi drivers, of the madwifi-ng drivers? [02:53] wpa_supplicant must be compiled for one or the other, and right now its [02:53] compiled for madwifi-ng. [02:53] madwifi drivers === Keybuk tries without the "community" workarounds patch === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.10.66.99.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yves [n=yves@200.140.129.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] WEP works at least [03:20] Mar 24 02:19:52 quest cupsd: Unable to open log file "/var/log/cups/error_log" - Permission denied [03:20] my gods, cups is having a spasm === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] I like how you say "gods." [03:29] <_ion> Battlestar Galactica. :-) [03:29] too much Terry Pratchett, I suspect === dark [i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === childe [n=childe@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yves is now known as nictuku [03:53] ok _ion, Pygi, you are gods among men. I salut you for your NM work === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] Keybuk; did you say wpa nm? === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] desrt: I said wpa-doesn't-work-for-me nm [03:58] but yesx [03:58] is in the archive === desrt waits pateiently [03:58] patiently too [04:00] ok, so I have Chicken, Asparagus, Sweetcorn and Pasta [04:00] maybe I shouldn't cook at 3am === childe [n=childe@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Amaranth tries to think of something you could make out of that [04:01] uh [04:01] if you have some alfrado sauce then that's one hell of a meal [04:01] do you have any cream of chicken? [04:01] or that [04:01] i was going for the ghetto version :) [04:02] pasta+whitesauce+asparagus+chicken is practically meant to be [04:03] I'm avoiding the sauce for experimental purposes [04:03] and I-don't-have-any-in purposes [04:03] Amaranth: that's what I'm having; added herbs and oil to make a meal === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] actually tastes rather scrummy [04:03] Keybuk: cream of chicken? [04:04] ok. so seriously [04:04] what's nfs that's not nfs? [04:04] all of these lustre/afs/whatever filesystems are way overkill [04:04] desrt: The only simple, transparent Unix networking file system is nfs [04:05] damnit [04:05] this is really an area that needs improvement! [04:05] If you don't like nfs, then what you choose depends on what you're trying to do [04:05] Firstly, what's up with nfs? [04:05] i want to mount a bunch of user homedirectories on a bunch of machines in a reasonably trusted environment [04:05] Easiest alternative is cifs [04:05] samba? [04:05] Per-user auth, unix semantics [04:05] Yeah [04:06] per-user auth is out of the question [04:06] Why? [04:06] i want it to always be there [04:06] not just when people log in [04:06] Ah. [04:06] Then nfs is the answer [04:06] blah [04:06] (seriously) [04:06] What's inadequate about nfs? [04:06] i guess i'd better figure out how to effectively firewall it then [04:06] the nfs server is semi-outward-facing [04:06] If all else fails, do nfs over VPN [04:07] Or move to nfs4 [04:07] mjg59; all the machines share ethernet [04:07] Yeah. You can do a VPN over that, surely? [04:07] If you're mounting stuff, you have to trust each of those machines [04:07] oh. i see what you're saying [04:07] i don't need this much security [04:07] But you don't have to trust the ethernet [04:08] Just firewall out access to the portmapper and mountd [04:08] i'm really just worried about effectively firewalling the 1000 (occasionally semi-randomly assigned) ports it opens [04:08] Though nfs (in theory) can turn up on any port, in practice it's always the same one [04:08] portmapper is infuriating [04:08] it has this -i open that totally fails to work in a useful way [04:08] -i 127.0.0.1 -i 172.20.1.1 [04:09] you might expect this to do something sane... but it actually just binds to the last interface you give [04:09] making it impossible to have it bound to 127.0.0.1 (required for services to register) and a specific external interface at the same time without binding to INADDR_ANY [04:09] iptables -A INPUT -s 0.0.0.0/0 --dport 111 -j DENY === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] i've already done this [04:10] Or just use tcpwrappers [04:10] (Since if you can't trust that, we're all doomed anyway) [04:11] i have listeners also on tcp/2049, 965, 3306, 953, 41115, 924, udp/2049, 32772, 32784, 918, 921, 1194, 962, 67 [04:11] That's fun [04:11] and i think that some of these are from portmap/nfs/whatever [04:11] :p [04:11] What's bound to them? [04:11] (lsof -i FTW) [04:11] netstat -p :) [04:11] Well, or that [04:11] You should have rpc.mountd and rpc.statd (possibly rpc.lockd) [04:11] mostly rpc.mountd and rpc.statd [04:12] Again, easiest is just to tcpwrappers them out [04:12] i've already done that too === desrt has a vague distrust for tcpwrappers [04:12] Sounds pretty secure, then [04:12] muh. guess i'm fine [04:12] Seriously, if tcpwrappers is broken, so is so much of the internet that they won't be hitting you first [04:13] i imagine it'd be pretty hard to exploit tcpwrappers [04:13] Yeah [04:13] It's pretty simple code, and it's been checked a lot [04:13] not to mention it doesn't listen to them at all [04:13] it's just like "you? hmm. no." === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Wow. Aspirin is, like, the best thing ever [04:15] ah. interesting. the kernel is listening on 0.0.0.0:2049 tcp and udp. this is what bothers me most :) [04:15] this seems to be static though.. it's listed in /etc/services as 'nfs' === desrt adds to firewall [04:16] I generally forget that these things actually work === mjg59 revels in his newfound ability to swallow [04:16] Oh, wait. That sounds quite bad. [04:17] don't worry. we know you're just a pill swallower === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] real aspirin is worthless [04:40] you need 2000 mg of ibuprofen [04:51] Amaranth: some people don't react to ibuprofen [04:51] some do [04:51] depends whether the complaint is due to inflammation as well [04:51] hydracodone (sp?) then? :) [04:54] hmm, for my wife asprin works but ibuprofen doesn't do anything [05:01] TheMuso: ping [05:01] TheMuso: thx for the email === godiane [n=godiane@58.69.182.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNULinuxer [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] is there some recommendation about using "dfsg" in either the package name or version for package that have non-free parts removed? [05:32] morning guys [05:32] LaserJock: it's mostly appended to the version IIRC [05:41] fabbione, hi [05:41] hi === G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/g0sub] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] G0SUB: make would be an exception (the source package is make-dfsg) [05:46] minghua: the gfdl issue? [05:47] minghua: has the make package been updated yet? IIRC no [05:48] G0SUB: you are right. but it's make-dfsg in debian already [05:48] okay, great === greebo [n=greebo@137.111.165.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] Can some canonical person please tell warthogs that Jeff (jdub) has been offline since 3am, and the fault has been logged with Telstra (very few Canonical people in Sydney at the moment so he couldn't call them) [06:08] greebo: thanks [06:08] <-will do [06:08] fabbione, thankyou [06:09] greebo: done [06:09] he can go back to sleep now ;) [06:10] fabbione, heh, he will have dinner in a few hours, no sleeping just yet ;) [06:11] greebo: afternoon nap? :) [06:11] heh :) siesta is always an option! [06:11] seee... === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=alicia@12-211-125-247.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku is now known as yves === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === besonen_ [n=besonen_@dsl-db.pacinfo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niven [n=niven@toronto-HSE-ppp4028883.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-64-134.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlje [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178016178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [n=heyhey@c-67-188-235-2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] Lathiat: ping [08:01] mjg59: ACPI on HP/Compaqs seem to have broken. This should be handled internally in the DSDT---did a interpreter change or similar? === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] Good morning [08:07] janimo: pong [08:07] Lathiat: what is the status of avahi in dapper? [08:07] I see zeroconf spec was deferred [08:07] janimo: spec delayed, avahi was put in main, not installed by default [08:07] no gui for configuring it [08:07] that'l be done as part of zeroconf in dapper+1 [08:08] Lathiat: so how can one try it out now? [08:08] janimo: apt-get install avahi-daemon [08:08] can nautilus use it to discover samba shares for example? [08:08] Lathiat: I have it installed just wondering how to test it best [08:08] since I am entirely new to it [08:08] gnome app seem to all link to avahi [08:09] so I suppose even if there's no gui one can use it somehow [08:10] is the reason for spec delay incompleteness of avahi in some way? [08:10] Lathiat: so I am interested mostly in the client part now === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@26.Red-83-40-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lali_ [n=blahhhh@ip68-100-52-229.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] what's the correct way to enable flash in firefox on dapper? We refer to an absent package in the documentation at the moment [08:41] (flashplayer-mozilla, which seems to have disappeared from multiverse) [08:41] i can see it [08:41] ? [08:43] hmm === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-095-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] Lathiat, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/5220 [08:44] mdke, flashplugin-nonfree? [08:44] Seveas, right, that's what the poster says in that post, except he says it doesn't work [08:45] wffm - but it downloads things from an external server which of course is unreliable [08:45] Seveas, it works for you? [08:46] worked a few weeks ago - didn't try since [08:46] I'll have a go === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] doesn't work [08:52] if anyone knows how to get flash support, please highlight me, and we'll add it to the documentation === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] mdke: download the tar file from macromedia web site, untar it, copy the two files to your plugins directory in .mozilla. Not really user friendly, and use the CLI, but it works :) [08:57] we'll fall back to that if there isn't a package, I guess [08:58] someone could probably write a small script, including scraping from the macromedia web site the link to the latest tar file available. [08:58] its already a script [08:58] its not even a complicated script [08:58] Or we could get explicit permission from Macromedia to redistribute in multiverse. [08:59] yeah [08:59] (which we used to do without permission) [08:59] ah, hence the package disappearing [08:59] Having installer packages that break a few months after release is always teh suck. [08:59] or someone could resync with the latest DEbian package. I thought there was request on the motu list about this [08:59] so what does the flashplugin-nonfree package do? [08:59]