=== bgt [n=zenpachi@12-211-6-224.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:18] howdy LaserJock [02:18] hi robotgeek === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:04] robotgeek: ping? [03:11] LaserJock: pong [03:11] robotgeek: does KDE have a Science menu? [03:11] LaserJock: hmm, no. Good idea :) [03:12] It might be under "Educational" [03:13] I'm having a bit of a "discussion" on ubuntu-science about .desktop files and Science menus [03:13] LaserJock: on the list? [03:14] yes === robotgeek parses === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:18] LaserJock: as long as it doesn't change, i'm okay. i generally install stuff and verify === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:18] robotgeek: as long as what doesn't change? [03:18] LaserJock: the menu entries [03:19] robotgeek: well, the point is really we are trying to add menu entries but do we add then to Education or Science [03:20] i don't mind education myself :) === LaserJock whaps robotgeek over the head with the 3rd volume of the Feynman Lectures ;-) [03:21] heh === robotgeek is trying to find if he can borrow/access rutgers library [03:22] well, it really isn't a big deal since I'd rather see the apps in Education rather than not there at all [03:23] but I just don't see why it is so evil to put them in Science [03:24] not evil, it's the Motu-Science team, isn't it [03:24] well, it seems like every time I suggest we use Science for scientific things somebody has to say, "Just put it under education" [03:25] anyway, :-) [03:25] Science goes hand in hand with education,... [03:26] bbl. food! [03:27] yes, but they aren't the same thing. that is my point [03:27] yeah, I gotta get home [03:27] later LaserJock [03:27] maybe I just have to adopt my inner teacher ;-) === Kyral [n=Chris@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:28] hi all [04:31] salut Madpilot [04:31] Burgundavia, I know you've mentioned not blogging because you don't want planet.u.c to turn into "Planet Corey" - but given that it seems to be "Planet Jeff" right now, I'd go ahead... :P [04:33] you could blog this: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?src=rss&id=933 [04:33] hmm [04:33] who is in charge of the ServerGuide? [04:34] nah, that is boring [04:34] Kyral, bhuvan & Brian Shumate are, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects [04:34] hmm [04:35] I stumbled onto a nice Server Monitoring tool (That seems to be good for Xen as well!) and I'd like to write up a little ditty on it [04:36] called Munin [04:37] Kyral, you could write it up and send it to the ML, either in plain text or as a 'proper' patch/diff to our XML - or just ask about it on the ML first [04:37] yah I should [04:37] but not now.. [04:37] I have been coding for 10 hours [04:37] I need a shower [04:37] beer might be a good idea too :P [04:38] underage [04:38] hi Madpilot Burgundavia and Kyral [04:38] "legal" friends. [04:38] hi LaserJock === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:29] hey all [05:29] hi robotgeek === Kyral yawns [06:19] tomorrow I'll slap something in the Wiki about Munin === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:29] Kyral, bhuvan is one of the Server Guide authors [06:32] Yah I know [06:33] but Kyral.conscious == False now :P [06:33] heh. fair enough. [06:33] Oh if you wanna see Munin going live, I have it on my Xen server [06:33] azuredreams.us/munin [06:34] shiny graphs - cool [06:35] Keep in mind there is only one "real" machine :P [06:35] The others are Xen Domains === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-82.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:22] anyone know what "Kiss Alexandru" is talking about in his email to the list? [08:22] no idea [08:22] I rather successfully ignored it [08:22] getting good at that [08:22] troll? [08:23] ESL, more than troll, I think [08:24] not much more, its pretty poorly written [08:25] wonder what he means by "rooter" documentation? [08:25] router? [08:25] maybe [08:27] I'd like to see the wiki team promoted more, but then I'd like to see everything documentation-wise promoted more [08:28] yeah - I just don't see the point in splitting the list & team(s) up. Fragmented efforts usually have even more trouble, not less... [08:29] we are just building critical mass on the wiki [08:29] well, the thing is a lot of people are unaware the is a Wiki Team, or even offical docs or a Doc team for that matter [08:29] crazy to split now [08:31] I dunno, there would be benefits such as more exposure for the wiki team [08:31] every time I've been involved in a list and someone says, "Oh, has lots of interest, but it's not important to everyone, let's form "mailing-list-X" for discussions" mailing-list-X usually dies within weeks, and any discussion of 'X' wanders back to the main list... [08:32] I wouldn't split the mailing list itself, but maybe its own IRC channel would help [08:33] Just for visibility? Sure [08:33] the wiki (userdocs specifically) is in desperate need of some more love. Naaman has a lot of energy but not much support from what i can see [08:33] (yay, another channel for XChat to auto-join on startup!) :P [08:33] that, and I think people are a little intimidated by the doc team [08:34] even though they shouldn't be [08:34] we try not to bite people who wander in by mistake... [08:35] oh, I know, but I think people might be a little more confatable with a wiki-spesific channel [08:35] bah me spell good [08:37] I can't see the benefit of that rob, the same people would just inhabit both channels [08:37] manicka, I think Namaan's re-org of UserDocs was done single-handed mostly because most of us weren't quite sure what he was aiming for, so we stayed out of the way [08:37] initially yes [08:38] morning [08:38] hi mdke [08:38] hi [08:38] its a thought, kind of a random one I just had as we were discussing it [08:39] we can have #ubuntu-wiki redirect here [08:39] Burgundavia, yes [08:39] manicka, there are lots of overlapping channels that work OK, though - #html/#web/#css is one set I'm on regularly [08:39] or we can release the movie "Doc team does wiki" [08:39] Burgundavia, ++ :-) [08:40] personally, I think the movie would have more impact, but others may disagree... [08:40] Burgundavia, all that would need is for seveas to request it [08:41] the movie? [08:41] or jdub, has to be a contact [08:41] seveas has friends in hollywood... [08:41] no, the channel-redirect :P [08:41] canonical will sponsor a movie for us? Can they just hire one of use instead? [08:41] just find an old movie and dub over the top [08:42] let's shoot it ourselves [08:42] "DocTeam Does Wiki" - Burgundavia, remind me to punch you next time you come over... [08:43] with our rate of attrition, it would have to be a snuff film [08:44] hmm.. 17 open channels on a 19 inch screen doesn't all fit on the xchat tab list :( [08:44] buy a bigger screen [08:44] Madpilot, you take requests for punching Burgundavia? === mdke gets out his wallet [08:45] mdke, I could probably be persuaded, yes... :D [08:45] 120 could get messy [08:45] heh [08:48] what's a flash website? [08:49] found one [08:49] http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=1613 [08:49] oh [08:50] i wonder if the easiest way of installing flash is simply to click on a flash animation in firefox and follow the instructions [08:50] oh damn, installation failed [08:50] that forums are reporting that as well [08:51] ok, /me tries flashplugin-nonfree [08:51] that doesn't work either [08:52] bugger [08:52] get the .run file from Macromedia - that'll work in all browsers, too, not just FF [08:53] it works? [08:53] sounds better than nothing [08:54] i'll try it later on [08:54] we might also want to ping a MOTU to get the package fixed [08:54] good plan [08:55] the Macromedia file works in Breezy, not sure about Dapper [09:05] Morning all [09:09] night all [09:09] :P [09:09] good night [09:36] does DesktopTeam have an irc channel ? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-240.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:43] mdke: ping [09:49] bhuvan: according to the wiki: #ubuntu-desktop [09:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/TeamSpecifics [09:50] robitaille, thanks === bhuvan is preparing a presentation on "Contributing to Ubuntu Linux" [09:53] it is available here: http://puggy.symonds.net/~bhuvan/ubuntu/ubuntu_contribute.odp [09:54] feedbacks are welcome! [10:03] bhuvan, pong [10:04] cool [10:04] mdke: if you have time, can you go through the presentation ? [10:05] bhuvan, sure I'll take a look === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@82.161.239.194] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@82.161.239.194] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@82.161.239.194] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has left #ubuntu-doc ["my] === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.95] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@213-202-146-68.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [n=jdub@208.64.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [n=jdub@208.64.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:47] mgalvin, nice tip about munin. do you know if it searches existing log files, or just starts to archive when you install it? [03:55] mdke: I used it on a clean install so I'm not totally sure I don't think so. I think it starts archiving from the time it gets installed [03:55] i think so too === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-177.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@82.109.136.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub_ [n=jdub@208.64.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] jjesse: ping [04:58] robotgeek: pong [04:58] jjesse: need help with the help wanted sections :) [04:59] status page is where again? i forgot to book mark it :) [04:59] http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html [05:00] thanks === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub_ [n=jdub@208.64.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-15-80.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:05] hi guys [11:05] Does any of you have or know of any syllabus (with objectives and all) for a course of office applications (firefox, thunderbird, abiword, gnumeric, and ooo) ? === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.52] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has left #ubuntu-doc ["my] === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc