[02:18] <robotgeek> howdy LaserJock 
[02:18] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek 
[03:04] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ping?
[03:11] <robotgeek> LaserJock: pong
[03:11] <LaserJock> robotgeek: does KDE have a Science menu?
[03:11] <robotgeek> LaserJock: hmm, no. Good idea :)
[03:12] <LaserJock> It might be under "Educational"
[03:13] <LaserJock> I'm having a bit of a "discussion" on ubuntu-science about .desktop files and Science menus
[03:13] <robotgeek> LaserJock: on the list?
[03:14] <LaserJock> yes
[03:18] <robotgeek> LaserJock: as long as it doesn't change, i'm okay. i generally install stuff and verify
[03:18] <LaserJock> robotgeek: as long as what doesn't change?
[03:18] <robotgeek> LaserJock: the menu entries
[03:19] <LaserJock> robotgeek: well, the point is really we are trying to add menu entries but do we add then to Education or Science
[03:20] <robotgeek> i don't mind education myself :)
[03:21] <robotgeek> heh
[03:22] <LaserJock> well, it really isn't a big deal since I'd rather see the apps in Education rather than not there at all
[03:23] <LaserJock> but I just don't see why it is so evil to put them in Science
[03:24] <robotgeek> not evil, it's the Motu-Science team, isn't it 
[03:24] <LaserJock> well, it seems like every time I suggest we use Science for scientific things somebody has to say, "Just put it under education"
[03:25] <LaserJock> anyway, </rant> :-)
[03:25] <robotgeek> Science  goes hand in hand with education,...
[03:26] <robotgeek> bbl. food!
[03:27] <LaserJock> yes, but they aren't the same thing. that is my point
[03:27] <LaserJock> yeah, I gotta get home
[03:27] <robotgeek> later LaserJock 
[03:27] <LaserJock> maybe I just have to adopt my inner teacher  ;-)
[04:28] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:31] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[04:31] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, I know you've mentioned not blogging because you don't want planet.u.c to turn into "Planet Corey" - but given that it seems to be "Planet Jeff" right now, I'd go ahead... :P
[04:33] <Madpilot> you could blog this: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?src=rss&id=933
[04:33] <Kyral> hmm
[04:33] <Kyral> who is in charge of the ServerGuide?
[04:34] <Burgundavia> nah, that is boring
[04:34] <Madpilot> Kyral, bhuvan & Brian Shumate are, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects
[04:34] <Kyral> hmm
[04:35] <Kyral> I stumbled onto a nice Server Monitoring tool (That seems to be good for Xen as well!) and I'd like to write up a little ditty on it
[04:36] <Kyral> called Munin
[04:37] <Madpilot> Kyral, you could write it up and send it to the ML, either in plain text or as a 'proper' patch/diff to our XML - or just ask about it on the ML first
[04:37] <Kyral> yah I should
[04:37] <Kyral> but not now..
[04:37] <Kyral> I have been coding for 10 hours
[04:37] <Kyral> I need a shower
[04:37] <Madpilot> beer might be a good idea too :P
[04:38] <Kyral> underage
[04:38] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot Burgundavia and Kyral 
[04:38] <crimsun> "legal" friends.
[04:38] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock 
[05:29] <robotgeek> hey all
[05:29] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek 
[06:19] <Kyral> tomorrow I'll slap something in the Wiki about Munin
[06:29] <Madpilot> Kyral, bhuvan is one of the Server Guide authors
[06:32] <Kyral> Yah I know
[06:33] <Kyral> but Kyral.conscious == False now :P
[06:33] <Madpilot> heh. fair enough.
[06:33] <Kyral> Oh if you wanna see Munin going live, I have it on my Xen server
[06:33] <Kyral> azuredreams.us/munin
[06:34] <Madpilot> shiny graphs - cool
[06:35] <Kyral> Keep in mind there is only one "real" machine :P
[06:35] <Kyral> The others are Xen Domains
[08:22] <Madpilot> anyone know what "Kiss Alexandru" is talking about in his email to the list?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:22] <Burgundavia> I rather successfully ignored it
[08:22] <Burgundavia> getting good at that
[08:22] <rob> troll?
[08:23] <Madpilot> ESL, more than troll, I think
[08:24] <rob> not much more, its pretty poorly written
[08:25] <Madpilot> wonder what he means by "rooter" documentation?
[08:25] <rob> router?
[08:25] <Madpilot> maybe
[08:27] <rob> I'd like to see the wiki team promoted more, but then I'd like to see everything documentation-wise promoted more
[08:28] <Madpilot> yeah - I just don't see the point in splitting the list & team(s) up. Fragmented efforts usually have even more trouble, not less...
[08:29] <Burgundavia> we are just building critical mass on the wiki
[08:29] <rob> well, the thing is a lot of people are unaware the is a Wiki Team, or even offical docs or a Doc team for that matter
[08:29] <Burgundavia> crazy to split now
[08:31] <rob> I dunno, there would be benefits such as more exposure for the wiki team
[08:31] <Madpilot> every time I've been involved in a list and someone says, "Oh, <issue X> has lots of interest, but it's not important to everyone, let's form "mailing-list-X" for discussions" mailing-list-X usually dies within weeks, and any discussion of 'X' wanders back to the main list...
[08:32] <rob> I wouldn't split the mailing list itself, but maybe its own IRC channel would help
[08:33] <Madpilot> Just for visibility? Sure
[08:33] <manicka> the wiki (userdocs specifically) is in desperate need of some more love. Naaman has a lot of energy but not much support from what i can see
[08:33] <Madpilot> (yay, another channel for XChat to auto-join on startup!) :P
[08:33] <rob> that, and I think people are a little intimidated by the doc team
[08:34] <rob> even though they shouldn't be
[08:34] <Madpilot> we try not to bite people who wander in by mistake... 
[08:35] <rob> oh, I know, but I think people might be a little more confatable with a wiki-spesific channel
[08:35] <rob> bah me spell good
[08:37] <manicka> I can't see the benefit of that rob, the same people would just inhabit both channels
[08:37] <Madpilot> manicka, I think Namaan's re-org of UserDocs was done single-handed mostly because most of us weren't quite sure what he was aiming for, so we stayed out of the way
[08:37] <rob> initially yes
[08:38] <mdke> morning
[08:38] <rob> hi mdke 
[08:38] <manicka> hi
[08:38] <rob> its a thought, kind of a random one I just had as we were discussing it
[08:39] <Burgundavia> we can have #ubuntu-wiki redirect here
[08:39] <rob> Burgundavia, yes
[08:39] <Madpilot> manicka, there are lots of overlapping channels that work OK, though - #html/#web/#css is one set I'm on regularly
[08:39] <Burgundavia> or we can release the movie "Doc team does wiki"
[08:39] <mdke> Burgundavia, ++ :-)
[08:40] <Burgundavia> personally, I think the movie would have more impact, but others may disagree...
[08:40] <rob> Burgundavia, all that would need is for seveas to request it
[08:41] <mdke> the movie?
[08:41] <rob> or jdub, has to be a contact
[08:41] <mdke> seveas has friends in hollywood...
[08:41] <Madpilot> no, the channel-redirect :P
[08:41] <Burgundavia> canonical will sponsor a movie for us? Can they just hire one of use instead?
[08:41] <rob> just find an old movie and dub over the top
[08:42] <mdke> let's shoot it ourselves
[08:42] <Madpilot> "DocTeam Does Wiki" - Burgundavia, remind me to punch you next time you come over...
[08:43] <Burgundavia> with our rate of attrition, it would have to be a snuff film
[08:44] <rob> hmm.. 17 open channels on a 19 inch screen doesn't all fit on the xchat tab list :(
[08:44] <Madpilot> buy a bigger screen
[08:44] <mdke> Madpilot, you take requests for punching Burgundavia?
[08:45] <Madpilot> mdke, I could probably be persuaded, yes... :D
[08:45] <rob> 120 could get messy
[08:45] <mdke> heh
[08:48] <mdke> what's a flash website?
[08:49] <mdke> found one
[08:49] <rob> http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=1613
[08:49] <rob> oh
[08:50] <mdke> i wonder if the easiest way of installing flash is simply to click on a flash animation in firefox and follow the instructions
[08:50] <mdke> oh damn, installation failed
[08:50] <Burgundavia> that forums are reporting that as well
[08:51] <mdke> ok, /me tries flashplugin-nonfree
[08:51] <mdke> that doesn't work either
[08:52] <mdke> bugger
[08:52] <Madpilot> get the .run file from Macromedia - that'll work in all browsers, too, not just FF
[08:53] <mdke> it works?
[08:53] <mdke> sounds better than nothing
[08:54] <mdke> i'll try it later on
[08:54] <Burgundavia> we might also want to ping a MOTU to get the package fixed
[08:54] <mdke> good plan
[08:55] <Madpilot> the Macromedia file works in Breezy, not sure about Dapper
[09:05] <k31th> Morning all
[09:09] <Madpilot> night all
[09:09] <Madpilot> :P
[09:09] <mdke> good night
[09:36] <bhuvan> does DesktopTeam have an irc channel ?
[09:43] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[09:49] <robitaille> bhuvan: according to the wiki: #ubuntu-desktop
[09:49] <robitaille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/TeamSpecifics
[09:50] <bhuvan> robitaille, thanks
[09:53] <bhuvan> it is available here: http://puggy.symonds.net/~bhuvan/ubuntu/ubuntu_contribute.odp
[09:54] <bhuvan> feedbacks are welcome!
[10:03] <mdke> bhuvan, pong
[10:04] <mdke> cool
[10:04] <bhuvan> mdke: if you have time, can you go through the presentation ?
[10:05] <mdke> bhuvan, sure I'll take a look
[03:47] <mdke> mgalvin, nice tip about munin. do you know if it searches existing log files, or just starts to archive when you install it?
[03:55] <mgalvin> mdke: I used it on a clean install so I'm not totally sure I don't think so. I think it starts archiving from the time it gets installed
[03:55] <mdke> i think so too
[04:58] <robotgeek> jjesse: ping
[04:58] <jjesse> robotgeek: pong
[04:58] <robotgeek> jjesse: need help with the help wanted sections :)
[04:59] <jjesse> status page is where again?  i forgot to book mark it :)
[04:59] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html
[05:00] <jjesse> thanks
[11:05] <mhz> hi guys
[11:05] <mhz> Does any of you have or know of any syllabus (with objectives and all) for a course of office applications (firefox, thunderbird, abiword, gnumeric, and ooo) ?