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| minghua | siretart: if I want to get reviewer priviledge on REVU, are you the right person to ask? | 12:31 |
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| siretart | minghua: yes. tell me your login id | 12:34 |
| minghua | siretart: minghua@rice.edu | 12:35 |
| siretart | minghua: try reviewing now | 12:37 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 12:42 |
| Erlang | lo | 12:42 |
| minghua | siretart: forgot to bring my gpg key with me :-( will test as soon as possible, thanks! | 12:43 |
| minghua | hi bddebian | 12:43 |
| bddebian | Hello Erlang, minghua | 12:43 |
| siretart | minghua: you should be able to comment on any upload now | 12:43 |
| minghua | siretart: good, that's all I need. I'll test later. | 12:45 |
| hub | what's wrong with upstream no willing to check for a required library in configure? | 12:48 |
| siretart | hub: they have no clue or interest? ;) | 12:59 |
| hub | that is what I think | 01:00 |
| hub | https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/index.php?func=detailitem&item_id=16159 | 01:01 |
| hub | I'm packaging this library to get sflphone after | 01:01 |
| hub | (a friend of mine work on sflphone) | 01:01 |
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| minghua | welcome back LaserJock :-) | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | hi | 02:12 |
| minghua | hi ajmitch | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | hi minghua and ajmitch | 02:16 |
| raphink | hi ajmitch minghua LaserJock | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | hi raphink ;-) | 02:17 |
| raphink | :) | 02:17 |
| === raphink doesn't get what happened with karma on LP | ||
| raphink | I get 19000 karma today | 02:17 |
| raphink | I had 500 yesterday | 02:17 |
| ajmitch | raphink: it got adjusted :) | 02:17 |
| === ajmitch has about 64k or so now | ||
| LaserJock | 12177 for me, woot! | 02:17 |
| raphink | ajmitch hehe nice :) | 02:17 |
| raphink | well it's just fair that devs get more karma than translators ;) | 02:18 |
| Erlang | I went from 94 to 3400 something yesterday. | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | 65765 now :) | 02:18 |
| raphink | specs give the most karma | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | and you can write specs on your own products :) | 02:18 |
| raphink | riddell got up to 111k | 02:18 |
| raphink | with lots of specs | 02:18 |
| raphink | ajmitch hehe ;) | 02:18 |
| === ajmitch starts up a few products & writes some specs ;) | ||
| LaserJock | "to infinity and beyond!" | 02:18 |
| raphink | at least it's logical | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | raphink: one of the top 5 has about 15 specs on some product he works on | 02:18 |
| raphink | you won't think a translator is "more active" than a core-dev anymore ;) | 02:18 |
| raphink | hehe | 02:19 |
| Erlang | I just started triaging like 2 weeks ago. I didn't know triaging was that valuable. | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | especially as karma has some value for ubuntu affiliates & partners now.. | 02:19 |
| raphink | Erlang: it wasn't, so far | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | raphink: still no karma for uploads though | 02:19 |
| raphink | ajmitch that will come, hopefully | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: no? that stinks | 02:20 |
| raphink | there should be karma for package maintenance and uploads | 02:20 |
| raphink | and more karma for main packages | 02:20 |
| raphink | obviously | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | " Launchpad Activity | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | 02:20 | |
| ajmitch | 5 points for each full time employee in the top 100 Launchpad users at the time application is made." | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | for the ubuntu partners programme | 02:20 |
| Erlang | I need some advice on bug: 32159. It look important to me. | 02:20 |
| minghua | yeah there have been karma inflation recently :-) | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | raphink: there'd also be karma for branch commits once we switch to hct, too | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | so that not only the uploader gets karma | 02:21 |
| raphink | good :) | 02:21 |
| raphink | at least it's good to have a nice karma :) | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | why should I get huge karma for sponsoring 100 uploads, for example? | 02:21 |
| raphink | somehow it was frustrating to keep having a karma under 1000 | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | my karma did get over 2K with the old numbers | 02:22 |
| raphink | nice :) | 02:22 |
| raphink | mine was at 500 currently | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: is there a URL that describes how much karma for each activity | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: nope, they don't want to encourage people doing things just for karma points ;) | 02:23 |
| raphink | hehe | 02:24 |
| raphink | that's safe | 02:24 |
| ajmitch | so I encourage people to just keep bug fixing & uploading :) | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | we have a large pile of bugs | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | and a growing number of complaining users who don't like their bugs being ignored :) | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | malone doesn't help sometimes.. | 02:26 |
| raphink | it's not useful | 02:26 |
| raphink | the search functions are not very good so far | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | s/not very good/often horrible/ | 02:27 |
| raphink | yes indeed | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | raphink: caught up on the KDE upload backlog? | 02:30 |
| raphink | how do you mean? | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | wasn't there a large pile of KDE fixes to get uploaded? | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | and you wanted into main so you could help out, and keep the pile down? | 02:31 |
| raphink | hmm not right now | 02:31 |
| raphink | I wanted into main to be able to apply fixes directly and sponsor uploads if needed | 02:31 |
| raphink | to help out | 02:31 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | right | 02:31 |
| raphink | I did a few fixes last week | 02:31 |
| raphink | on k3b, systemsettings and others | 02:31 |
| raphink | saved time to riddell for sure as I could just fix them and upload | 02:32 |
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| ajmitch | hi hub | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | hm, how many people know the rules we agreed on for fixing/patching debian packages for dapper? | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | eg not adding dpatch, not making gratuitous changes? | 02:36 |
| raphink | it's stated clearly on the wiki iirc | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | sure, but is it clear enough? | 02:36 |
| raphink | not sure | 02:37 |
| hub | ajmitch: I don't know the rules, but I usually do common sense | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | there's a few fixes assigned to motureviewers, we'd want to check them | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | hub: sure | 02:37 |
| hub | ajmitch: is it easy to become debian developer? | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | we got a few complaints from debian for adding dpatch, etc | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | hub: it's long & painful :) | 02:37 |
| hub | :-/ | 02:37 |
| raphink | yeah :( | 02:38 |
| hub | 'cause otherwise I would just package there and sync in universe | 02:38 |
| raphink | even ian murdock is still waiting | 02:38 |
| raphink | LOL | 02:38 |
| hub | LOL | 02:38 |
| raphink | not kidding | 02:38 |
| raphink | he's in the list | 02:38 |
| raphink | not done with the NM process | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | hub: average wait just to get an AM assigned is around 6 months at the moment | 02:38 |
| hub | AM? | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | application manager | 02:39 |
| hub | ah | 02:39 |
| raphink | hub: https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | who sends you questions, reviews what you do, etc | 02:39 |
| hub | so I just should forget | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | (s)he files a report for the front desk | 02:39 |
| raphink | hub: see how many people you know in this list ;) | 02:39 |
| hub | it is more the cathedral than the bazaar | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | who approves & then passes it onto the debian account manager for processing :) | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | all this may take > 1 year on average | 02:40 |
| raphink | yet there are some awful packages in Debian ... | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | sure | 02:40 |
| raphink | it seems to me that the awful packages are not from DDs themselves | 02:40 |
| raphink | but rather DDs sponsoring bad packages | 02:40 |
| raphink | without reviewing well enough | 02:40 |
| raphink | so it's a lack of review from DDs on other contributors' work | 02:40 |
| raphink | more than a bad work from DDs themselves | 02:41 |
| raphink | or so it seems to me | 02:41 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 02:42 |
| ajmitch | DDs aren't perfect ;) | 02:42 |
| raphink | of course :) | 02:42 |
| bddebian | They aren't? | 02:42 |
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| crimsun | no, only bddebian is. | 02:42 |
| raphink | I'd like my reviewing guide to be read by some DDs, improved and spread | 02:42 |
| raphink | lol | 02:42 |
| === bddebian kicks crimsun in the nuts :-) | ||
| crimsun | ow. | 02:43 |
| raphink | ouch | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: play nice | 02:43 |
| === bddebian is probably the furthest from perfect in this channel | ||
| hub | raphink: I wonder if I shouldn't sit and write a complete Debian Packager Guide | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | complete? | 02:43 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Oh sure, don't make him be nice to me.. :-) | 02:43 |
| hub | ajmitch:600pages | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | do you have 10 years? | 02:43 |
| raphink | hub: LaserJock is doing it | 02:43 |
| raphink | for ubuntu | 02:43 |
| hub | raphink: oh | 02:43 |
| raphink | hub: if you want to help just talk to him | 02:44 |
| hub | raphink: ok | 02:44 |
| === ajmitch would hate to think how unreadable a 'complete' guide would turn out | ||
| LaserJock | sorry, I was writing an email | 02:44 |
| hub | I still have to schedule time | 02:44 |
| raphink | ajmitch: indeed | 02:44 |
| hub | LaserJock: it is OK | 02:44 |
| hub | maybe I should just write code | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | hub: right now, what I've got is at doc.ubuntu.com | 02:44 |
| hub | LaserJock: ok | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | hub: you are certainly welcome to contribute :-) | 02:45 |
| hub | I was more thinking "for hardcopy printing" | 02:45 |
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| LaserJock | hub: in fact right now it is just me and I have a deadline | 02:45 |
| hub | LaserJock: oh | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | hub: it is also shipped on the cds | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | hub: it is a part of the ubuntu-docs package | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | hub: you can view it in the Gnome or KDE help | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | although the KDE version is quite old I think | 02:46 |
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| hub | and in devhelp? :-) | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so | 02:47 |
| hub | could be usefull | 02:47 |
| hub | and not hard to do | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | although I just got all the ubuntu docs into the doc-base registry | 02:47 |
| hub | I'll investigate | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | do you can view it with dwww or doc-central | 02:47 |
| raphink | hub: a hardcopy printing would be nice... but how many people would buy that? | 02:48 |
| hub | raphink: not sure. that is more "the publisher business" | 02:48 |
| crimsun | I would, but I'm a corner case. I really dislike reading from a screen. | 02:48 |
| hub | worst case scenario it would just be online | 02:48 |
| hub | crimsun: I would too | 02:48 |
| raphink | crimsun: same here | 02:48 |
| === hub like books | ||
| raphink | hmm sure | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | same here | 02:48 |
| hub | in fact I have to much book to move in less than 2 month | 02:49 |
| hub | *sigh* | 02:49 |
| raphink | I think a publisher most likely would refuse publishing this | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | I wouldn't, but that's because I'm unlikely to spend money on a packaging guide | 02:49 |
| raphink | but it's worth writing | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | certainly worth writing | 02:49 |
| hub | raphink: O'Reilly or No Starch comes to mind | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: well, I'd *read*. I'm not committing to buying ;-) | 02:49 |
| raphink | sure hub | 02:49 |
| hub | but that is not the problem | 02:49 |
| BrianG | can anyone here "pull in a new package" of BitTornado 0.3.15 so that it can be included into Breezy backports? | 02:49 |
| hub | would be refused, I would put it online | 02:49 |
| BrianG | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2006-March/000760.html | 02:50 |
| raphink | it can even be a book under Documentation GPL as "dive into python" with an online version and a printed one | 02:50 |
| crimsun | BrianG: we're way past upstream version freeze (UVF); you'd need to write a UVF exception | 02:50 |
| BrianG | i dont write things, i just ubuntu | 02:50 |
| crimsun | and because it's in main, the hurdle is much higher | 02:50 |
| BrianG | use* | 02:50 |
| BrianG | heh | 02:50 |
| softwarecommie | I just joined this channel; are you talking about documentation for packaging? | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | softwarecommie: yeah, somewhat | 02:51 |
| raphink | softwarecommie: currently, yes | 02:52 |
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| softwarecommie | ok | 02:52 |
| raphink | ok well | 02:53 |
| BrianG | crimsun: how do i write a UVF? is that like some kind of form letter? | 02:53 |
| raphink | I'll head to bed | 02:53 |
| raphink | bye | 02:53 |
| crimsun | bye raphink | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | cya raphink | 02:53 |
| BrianG | UVF exception rather | 02:54 |
| crimsun | BrianG: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html | 02:56 |
| hub | to reply to raphink, who is gone, the ultimate goal would be to get it under both licenses | 02:56 |
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| BrianG | crimsun: thanks | 02:57 |
| crimsun | BrianG: note that it's a main package, not a universe package. | 02:57 |
| BrianG | tell that to John Dong :) | 02:58 |
| crimsun | who's requesting it, he or you? | 02:58 |
| BrianG | what does that mean? i'm just basicly trying to use the new version of BitTornado | 02:58 |
| BrianG | me, but he sent me to MOTU | 02:58 |
| BrianG | do i have to be able to make the package myself in order to request a UVF exception? | 02:59 |
| crimsun | incorrect workflow | 02:59 |
| crimsun | no, but it sure helps if there is a Ubuntu package of it already | 03:00 |
| BrianG | ah | 03:00 |
| BrianG | so i'm totally in limbo and not really sure what i'm doing | 03:00 |
| BrianG | should i go and report a bug? | 03:00 |
| Amaranth | it's probably too late to get a new bittornado into dapper | 03:01 |
| Amaranth | so it can't go into backports either | 03:01 |
| crimsun | BrianG: yes, file a bug, but be aware that you're dealing with a main package | 03:01 |
| BrianG | so i'm barred from the tracker i use untill October? | 03:01 |
| crimsun | barred? no one's barred | 03:01 |
| BrianG | what's that mean.. a main package? | 03:02 |
| BrianG | well i am from the tracker.. | 03:02 |
| BrianG | they refuse any old versions of bittornado | 03:02 |
| crimsun | we (MOTU) only handle universe and multiverse packages | 03:02 |
| BrianG | okay | 03:02 |
| crimsun | (a few of us have main upload rights, but that's a small fraction) | 03:02 |
| crimsun | the process for requesting a UVF exception differs slightly between main and universe/multiverse packages | 03:03 |
| BrianG | so i shouldn't have been sent to MOTU in the first place, right? | 03:03 |
| BrianG | being that it's a main package | 03:03 |
| crimsun | you've seen the directions for the latter. For the former, you still need the information, but you have to ask one of the core devs (mdz iirc) | 03:03 |
| crimsun | right, you were misdirected (hence, "incorrect workflow") | 03:04 |
| BrianG | thanks for the information | 03:04 |
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| LaserJock | hi minghua | 03:07 |
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| minghua | hi LaserJock and everyone | 03:07 |
| crimsun | 'lo minghua | 03:08 |
| yves | hi | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | minghua: do you use KDE at all? | 03:09 |
| minghua | LaserJock: not really. all my KDE usage is for testing scim | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | ok fine | 03:10 |
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| softwarecommie | does anyone here know of something I may be able to work on or where I can go to find something? | 03:30 |
| crimsun | softwarecommie: we have thousands of bugs awaiting your triage skills in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 03:31 |
| softwarecommie | looks good, thanks | 03:34 |
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| Kyral | ....I hate GCC 4 right now | 03:48 |
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| nictuku | could someone please review 2176 in REVU? | 04:09 |
| crimsun | it's native? | 04:11 |
| nictuku | ubuntu native, you mean? | 04:12 |
| nictuku | it's a universe candidate-candidate | 04:12 |
| crimsun | or debian-native, irrelevant, really | 04:12 |
| crimsun | but is it from upstream or your own made-for-{Debian,Ubuntu} package? | 04:12 |
| nictuku | I am upstream and debianized it | 04:13 |
| crimsun | are you _positive_ you want -X in the version, then? | 04:13 |
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| crimsun | normally if it's native, you'd make it 0.3, not 0.3-1 | 04:14 |
| nictuku | hmm I'll read about that in the policy then | 04:14 |
| nictuku | thank you | 04:14 |
| crimsun | also, change the target distribution | 04:15 |
| crimsun | [unless you're packaging specifically for Debian Sid and want to sync it over] | 04:15 |
| nictuku | ok | 04:16 |
| crimsun | don't build-dep on build-essential | 04:16 |
| minghua | nictuku: I find that both debian/control.in and debian/control exist | 04:16 |
| nictuku | doesn't control.in creates control everytime by cdbs? | 04:17 |
| minghua | nictuku: are you sure that's desired (I don't know anything about cdbs)? | 04:17 |
| crimsun | yes, and if cdbs is adding build-essential, that's /nasty/ | 04:17 |
| nictuku | I guess I did | 04:17 |
| crimsun | years in copyright(s) == good | 04:18 |
| crimsun | looks ok for a cursory glance aside from those | 04:18 |
| nictuku | ah, btw, if I use ${python:Depends}, it gets my default python for its dependency - python2.4. But the software is supposedly agnostic. Is there any problem to use manual values there? | 04:19 |
| nictuku | crimsun, years in copyright, you mean in debian/copyright or in the source files? | 04:20 |
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| crimsun | both. | 04:20 |
| crimsun | notes added | 04:20 |
| minghua | it's good to talk to upstream directly, huh? :-) | 04:21 |
| crimsun | minghua: absolutely :) | 04:23 |
| nictuku | I'll abuse of your helpfulness and send some other packages I need reviewing too hehe | 04:23 |
| nictuku | https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/pycacic/ticket/16 | 04:27 |
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| crimsun | minghua: your suggestion of 1.1+revertedto+1.0.2 is fine | 04:27 |
| crimsun | RE: wesnoth | 04:27 |
| nictuku | what release should I use now? "dapper" ? | 04:29 |
| crimsun | nictuku: yes | 04:29 |
| crimsun | granted, there's always something akin to: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.3+seriouslythistime-0ubuntu3 | 04:29 |
| minghua | crimsun: okay, thanks. not really my suggestion though (the OP's) | 04:29 |
| nictuku | crimsun, is it wrong, as mingua believes, to have both debian/control and debian/control.in in a cdbs package? | 04:31 |
| nictuku | *minghua | 04:31 |
| minghua | nictuku: I am just speculating :-) as I've said I don't know anything aboug cdbs at all | 04:32 |
| crimsun | nictuku: it's not wrong per se, but it's certainly a bit cluttered | 04:33 |
| nictuku | yes, sorry, I got your point. | 04:33 |
| nictuku | strange thing is debian/rules clean does not delete debian/control, as I would expect | 04:34 |
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| crimsun | clean:: | 04:36 |
| crimsun | rm -rf debian/control | 04:36 |
| crimsun | s/-rf/-f/ | 04:36 |
| nictuku | how does universe updates work? will it only accept security updates when dapper is released? | 04:36 |
| crimsun | nictuku: essentially. | 04:37 |
| nictuku | hmm will do | 04:37 |
| minghua | security + critical bug fix (data loss, for example), I suppose | 04:38 |
| crimsun | yep | 04:38 |
| minghua | we have dapper-security _and_ dapper-updates after all | 04:38 |
| nictuku | clean:: rm -r debian/control is bad. dpkg-buildpackage does a clean *after* creating debian/control :-). I'll have to pick a better time for that | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | minghua: did you happen to read ubuntu-science today? | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: why would you even consider removing it? :) | 04:43 |
| crimsun | nictuku: then use pre-clean | 04:43 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yes, actually just 20 minutes ago, and was admiring your persistence on the education/science issue :-) | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | minghua: lol, I'm starting to wonder if I'm totally out of my mind :-) | 04:44 |
| crimsun | of course you are, just like every grad student is/has been | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | well, at least I'm not alone | 04:44 |
| minghua | LaserJock: no you are not. in principle I agree with you | 04:44 |
| nictuku | ajmitch, well the guys here made my mind about that. it's useless to distribute debian/control if you ahve debian/control.in | 04:45 |
| crimsun | nictuku: it's not useless, no | 04:45 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I just don't think it's worth discussing in detail before we really have the choice | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | minghua: well, it all got started because seb128 said he wouldn't add a Science menu until there were enough apps to populate it | 04:46 |
| nictuku | crimsun, that was my personal conclusion from what you guys tried to say, and I got it wrong again.. :-) | 04:46 |
| crimsun | nictuku: not wrong, just be careful with choosing extremes | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: my personal opinion, shared by many, is that debian/control should never be rewritten automatically at build time | 04:47 |
| minghua | LaserJock: hmm, now I remeber you've told me that. what happens if we have a .desktop with only Science, but not Education? | 04:47 |
| minghua | LaserJock: it will end up in menu "Others"? | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | minghua: usually it goes to Other :( | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | minghua: but I really hate having to put Education on a non-educational app just to get it out of Other | 04:48 |
| minghua | LaserJock: in that case I am on your side, Other is better than Education for research-only apps | 04:48 |
| nictuku | ajmitch, I should then make it static and stop cdbs from re-creating it. All changes I must make after that will go to debian/control... right?! | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: that's one option | 04:49 |
| nictuku | it's prettier IMO | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | or you can use control.in, but only update it when you want to | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | which I don't like myself :) | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | minghua: and eventually if there are enough apps in Other than I can really have a case to ask seb128 for a Science menu and it would be quite trivial to do since the .desktop files would be in place | 04:49 |
| nictuku | DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL := yes s/yes/no/ :-) | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: yeah, that's evil stuff there | 04:50 |
| nictuku | I've even read that was not recommended, but I forgot it there | 04:50 |
| minghua | LaserJock: exactly. and a long Other menu has more pressure than a long Education menu ;-) | 04:51 |
| minghua | nictuku: does that auto-update-debian/control rewrite the Build-Depends: line as well? | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | minghua: it will if @cdbs@ is used | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | does the 2nd item of http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html have any baring on the debian/control issue? | 04:52 |
| nictuku | yes, replacing @cdbs@ for garbage, including "build-essential" | 04:53 |
| minghua | ajmitch, nictuku: Hmm, I remember it's explicitly forbidden in Debian, let me check | 04:53 |
| nictuku | I've remove that as you guys recommended, anyway. And I agree it's really bad | 04:54 |
| nictuku | *removed | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | minghua: it is :) | 04:55 |
| minghua | ajmitch: good to be confirmed. but I can't seem to find the reference :-( | 05:00 |
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| minghua | the firefox in dapper (which used pango) is pretty broken for me | 05:07 |
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| Se7h | hi | 05:13 |
| Se7h | LaserJock im with a 'litle' problem here | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | what's up Se7h | 05:16 |
| nictuku | sorry if I'm cluttering the revu notification mailing-list with my buggy and frequent dput's.. | 05:17 |
| Se7h | LaserJock i've been unable to build this python library, cus it seems that after 'building X in ...' | 05:18 |
| G0SUB | minghua: which language? | 05:18 |
| Se7h | it wont find the python-dev files | 05:18 |
| Se7h | must be some 'trick i dont know | 05:19 |
| Se7h | lol | 05:19 |
| minghua | G0SUB: sorry, what are you refering to? firefox? | 05:19 |
| nictuku | should I really mention nmu in my packages? | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | nictuku: not if it is for Ubuntu | 05:19 |
| minghua | nictuku: lintian warning? just ignore it | 05:20 |
| nictuku | in a native package, I mean | 05:20 |
| nictuku | ok | 05:20 |
| G0SUB | minghua: yeah, firefox | 05:20 |
| LaserJock | Se7h: is python-dev a build-dep? | 05:21 |
| minghua | G0SUB: no, it doesn't has much to do with language, just slow rendering, jerky response, unusually small fonts, etc. | 05:21 |
| G0SUB | oh! | 05:21 |
| minghua | and all these go away if I use MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | if you have remove non-free parts of a original tarball should you rename the package .dfsg. ? | 05:24 |
| Se7h | LaserJock a build-dep? how so ? | 05:25 |
| minghua | LaserJock: some rename the package name, some rename the version number, I don't think I've seen a consensus | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | Se7h: is it in the build dependencies of the source package? | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | minghua: but dfsg is the way to go? | 05:26 |
| minghua | LaserJock: well, maybe not, but dfsg definitely catches eyes, so that's probably the reason I see them :-P | 05:27 |
| Se7h | LaserJock oh right...forgot that part | 05:27 |
| Se7h | lol | 05:27 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I'm quite sure there are changes like from foo_1.2.3 to foo_1.2.3a | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | I'm just wondering if I should suggest it in the packaging guide | 05:27 |
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| minghua | LaserJock: ask on #ubuntu-devel, perhaps? | 05:28 |
| minghua | it's even worth a mail to ubuntu-devel@l.u.c IMO | 05:28 |
| minghua | (if said package is not in debian, that is) | 05:28 |
| nictuku | I think REVU 2178 fixed all problems minghua and crimsun noticed in pycacic. thanks! | 05:29 |
| === minghua takes that as a nudge to review the new upload :-) | ||
| minghua | nictuku: what is the pycacic/control file for? | 05:30 |
| nictuku | oops | 05:31 |
| Se7h | LaserJock it was just that dumb me :p | 05:31 |
| nictuku | minghua, ornament :-) | 05:32 |
| nictuku | (fixed) | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | Se7h: well, hopefully it will work now | 05:33 |
| minghua | nictuku: you have the old FSF address in debian/copyright, but that's a minor issue | 05:35 |
| minghua | nictuku: I am not qualified to review python package though, so I can only check these cosmetic issues | 05:35 |
| nictuku | I really appreciate your help | 05:35 |
| nictuku | hmm Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA | 05:42 |
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| nictuku | for x in $(find .); do ~/fsf.sh $x;done :-) | 05:49 |
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| minghua | hi jaldhar | 05:52 |
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| LaserJock | hi Hobbsee | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | hi LaserJock | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | hey Hobbsee | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 06:01 |
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| Se7h | LaserJock | 06:36 |
| Se7h | cp: omitting directory `examples/data' | 06:36 |
| Se7h | make: *** [install] Error 1 | 06:36 |
| Se7h | is that 'omitting' considered an error ? | 06:36 |
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| nictuku | considered by what? | 06:39 |
| nictuku | "cp" will not return an error code, if that's what you ask | 06:39 |
| nictuku | it's a warning since cp didn't receive the -r parameter | 06:40 |
| Se7h | well yea, so why is it giving me an error on pbuilder? | 06:40 |
| nictuku | and tried to cp a directory | 06:40 |
| nictuku | is it the only element being copied? | 06:40 |
| Se7h | no | 06:41 |
| Se7h | but everything else works fine | 06:41 |
| nictuku | indeed | 06:41 |
| nictuku | it does return an error code | 06:41 |
| nictuku | code 1 | 06:41 |
| yves | I've just dput nwu to revu:2182 | 06:44 |
| Se7h | nwu ? | 06:44 |
| yves | nwu is being written as request by a postponed spec for dapper | 06:45 |
| yves | could somone please take a look? | 06:45 |
| yves | it's a somewhat complex package - it took me and MarioMeyer many days of work | 06:46 |
| Se7h | whats nwu ? | 06:47 |
| yves | Network wide updates for systems which use APT. | 06:48 |
| yves | https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu/wiki | 06:48 |
| Se7h | haum, looks nice | 06:50 |
| yves | thanks | 06:51 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:47 |
| fabo | hi dholbach | 09:59 |
| fabo | robitaille: i replied about vtiger on the ML | 09:59 |
| dholbach | hey fabo | 09:59 |
| robitaille | fabo: thanks. | 10:02 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 10:53 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 11:14 |
| Tm_T | moin | 11:17 |
| === Tm_T has problems | ||
| phanatic | hi Tm_T | 11:18 |
| Tm_T | no idea what I should do to Kopete package ;( | 11:18 |
| Tm_T | phanatic: hi | 11:18 |
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| verwilst | hellow! | 11:41 |
| phanatic | hi verwilst | 11:41 |
| verwilst | if anybody has time to update pure-ftpd to the one in debian ( .21 ), i would be very grateful :d | 11:41 |
| verwilst | ( managers starting to nag :p ) | 11:41 |
| verwilst | the uvf exception has been approved | 11:42 |
| verwilst | but i'm not a motu | 11:42 |
| verwilst | so i can't upload it myself :( | 11:42 |
| dholbach | verwilst: which bug was it | 11:42 |
| dholbach | verwilst: sorry, I didn't come around to do it yesterday and forgot | 11:42 |
| verwilst | hehe no problem :d | 11:42 |
| verwilst | euh | 11:42 |
| verwilst | lemme check | 11:42 |
| verwilst | 34346 | 11:43 |
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| dholbach | righto | 11:43 |
| dholbach | i'll do it now | 11:43 |
| verwilst | dholbach, cool, i owe you a beer ;) | 11:43 |
| verwilst | we have 1 apache server running here on dapper | 11:43 |
| verwilst | and customers have some probs with ftp ;) | 11:43 |
| dholbach | verwilst: nevermind... you did good work on it - so thank YOU! | 11:43 |
| verwilst | which will be fixed as soon as .21 is in dapper :) | 11:43 |
| verwilst | hehe np ;) | 11:44 |
| verwilst | we all benefit ;) | 11:46 |
| dholbach | i'll run a quick build through pbuilder to check | 11:47 |
| verwilst | yip | 11:47 |
| verwilst | doesn't take long to compile | 11:47 |
| dholbach | (only if you have abiword building in the meantime on the same box :-p) | 11:48 |
| verwilst | :p | 11:48 |
| verwilst | i've noticed network-manager 0.6.1 got into dapper | 11:48 |
| verwilst | sweetness | 11:48 |
| verwilst | dapper will rule so much :$ | 11:48 |
| dholbach | and even more if you guys all show up on next friday's HUG DAY :) | 11:49 |
| verwilst | next friday? | 11:49 |
| verwilst | what time? | 11:49 |
| dholbach | yep | 11:49 |
| dholbach | all day | 11:49 |
| verwilst | oh | 11:49 |
| verwilst | i think i could help out a but | 11:49 |
| verwilst | bit | 11:49 |
| verwilst | ( hug or bug day? :p ) | 11:49 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay | 11:49 |
| verwilst | lol dholbach, freudian slip? :p | 11:50 |
| dholbach | "...in Ubuntu land every day is a hug day, but some hug days are special, they are bug days too..." | 11:50 |
| verwilst | heh :p | 11:50 |
| verwilst | damned hippies | 11:50 |
| verwilst | :d | 11:50 |
| phanatic | verwilst: lol :) | 11:51 |
| dholbach | pfffft | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | with flowers in his hair... ;) | 11:51 |
| dholbach | that's the spirit | 11:52 |
| verwilst | :) | 11:52 |
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| dholbach | ajmitch: good thinking | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: plus I want to see how fast this box can build ;) | 11:55 |
| phanatic | hi raphink | 11:55 |
| raphink | hi phanatic | 11:55 |
| dholbach | verwilst: uploaded | 12:00 |
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| Toadstool | hi motus | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | hi | 12:14 |
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| ajmitch | great, found 1 simple rebuild already | 12:23 |
| verwilst | dholbach, thanks a lot dude | 12:29 |
| verwilst | dholbach, how long till the mirrors update? | 12:29 |
| azeem | y | 12:32 |
| azeem | oops | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | hi azeem | 12:32 |
| azeem | hi Andrew :) | 12:32 |
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| verwilst | dholbach, 1.0.21-1build1? | 12:41 |
| verwilst | shouldn't it be -1ubuntu1? | 12:41 |
| verwilst | :) | 12:41 |
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| ajmitch | verwilst: not if it's taken without change from debian | 12:50 |
| verwilst | oh | 12:50 |
| verwilst | didn't know that :) | 12:50 |
| ajmitch | eg apt-rpm is uninstallable & can be fixed (if anyone actually cares ;) ) by a simple rebuild - so I'd upload with the only change being a changelog entry with build1 appended | 12:51 |
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| ogra | initially the idea of -XbuildX was a different one, but sice autosyncing doesnt work in launchpad yet, we abuse it for syncs like that | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | ewblib currently underway.. | 12:53 |
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| ajmitch | azeem: interesting, ghemical doesn't build on AMD64? | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | ah, already reported in debian | 01:11 |
| azeem | ajmitch: yeah :( | 01:18 |
| azeem | I tried to take a look at it last week, but couldn't figure that C++ 64bit stuff out | 01:18 |
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| TheMuso | dholbach: ping | 02:06 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: pong | 02:06 |
| Toadstool | ajmitch, azeem: about ghemical and amd64, there are 3 casts to change if you want it to build on amd64, 2 in src/view.cpp and 1 in src/camera.cpp | 02:16 |
| azeem | Toadstool: do you have a patch? | 02:16 |
| azeem | I couldn't figure out the last one | 02:16 |
| Toadstool | not yet but I can make one quickly | 02:17 |
| azeem | that would rock | 02:17 |
| Toadstool | 2 seconds then :) | 02:17 |
| azeem | Toadstool: can you mail the Debian and/or Ubuntu bug? (I think there's a Malone bug filed as well) | 02:17 |
| azeem | I'm off now | 02:17 |
| Toadstool | ok | 02:17 |
| azeem | cheers, ta | 02:17 |
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| siretart | Mez: around? | 02:46 |
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| siretart | sorry, just a test | 02:51 |
| Toadstool | azeem: bug 36421 | 02:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36421 in ghemical "ghemical FTBFS on amd64" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36421 | 02:51 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:41 |
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| siretart | crimsun: around? | 04:19 |
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| siretart | crimsun: unping | 04:49 |
| bddebian | Heh | 04:52 |
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| bddebian | Hey folks, anymore word about getting \sh some cashola? I got an e-mail asking for my e-mail but haven't heard any more? | 04:53 |
| === Tm_T haven't seen \sh for weeks or even months | ||
| lucas | can I sync ruby-pkg-tools ? it's a small package used by the debian ruby team, but ruby packages depend on it | 04:58 |
| truz24 | who is \sh? | 05:00 |
| bddebian | truz24: Stephan Hermann | 05:01 |
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| Erlang | JDE has been NMUed in Debian to fix 4841. Does that require a sync from Debian or I can just apply the NMU patch and upload to REVU? | 05:20 |
| bmonty | Erlang: if it is just a patch we can sync it from debian | 05:28 |
| Erlang | it's a few dozen line. | 05:30 |
| Erlang | it's reported as a major bug, is there any way I can indicate that it need to sync? | 05:31 |
| bmonty | we can do a "fakesync" of it...i.e. get the debian package, update the changelog for dapper, make sure that it builds on dapper and upload it | 05:32 |
| bmonty | if you want to make a debdiff of the updated package, I'll take a look at it | 05:33 |
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| Erlang | will do | 05:34 |
| ogra | dont forget to merge ubuntu and debian changelogs ;) | 05:34 |
| bmonty | Erlang: also use -v<last ubuntu version> when you build the source package | 05:35 |
| Erlang | ogra: got an example? | 05:36 |
| bmonty | Erlang: see changelog for flashplugin-nonfree | 05:37 |
| bmonty | or do a search on dapper-changes for "fakesync" | 05:37 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging | 05:39 |
| ogra | it has a section about the changelogs | 05:39 |
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| Erlang | thank you. I'll read that. | 05:41 |
| ogra | dpkg-genchanges -s -v<version> -sa is your friend as well :) | 05:42 |
| ogra | just make sure the changelog entries from the former ubuntu package dont get lost, you can even do it manually :) | 05:43 |
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| bmonty | ogra: I think you have to bring in the old ubuntu changelog entries manually | 05:48 |
| bmonty | or is there a better way? | 05:48 |
| ogra | bmonty, the above :) its described in all the MOM reports | 05:51 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/gnubiff/REPORT | 05:51 |
| ogra | for example | 05:51 |
| ogra | the genchanges should merge the changelogs | 05:52 |
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| bmonty | ogra: ok, that is essentially how I do merges :) | 05:55 |
| ogra | good :) | 05:55 |
| ogra | but you can as well just move the last ubuntu changelog over and add the missing entries from the debian changelog ... its nearly no work | 05:56 |
| ogra | usually there are not many versions during 6 months :) | 05:56 |
| bmonty | ogra: I thought from your comment above that there was maybe some automated way to merge the changelogs I didn't know about | 05:58 |
| ogra | the dpkg-genchanges command described in the report, yes | 05:59 |
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| slomo_ | bmonty: hi... FYI, there are some UVF exceptions from you that need some additional informations | 06:32 |
| bmonty | slomo_: hmm, ok I'll look...I thought I had handled them all | 06:32 |
| slomo_ | bmonty: https://launchpad.net/people/motu-uvf/+assignedbugs | 06:33 |
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| Erlang | bmonty: Okay I've got the debdiff. Shall I append as a patch to 4841 ? | 06:36 |
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| bmonty | Erlang: yeah, please add the debdiff to the bug | 06:59 |
| Erlang | ok | 06:59 |
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| Erlang | done. | 07:03 |
| bmonty | Erlang: I gotta go out for awhile, but I'll check it later this afternoon | 07:05 |
| Erlang | thank you. take your time. | 07:06 |
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| bmonty | Erlang: did you make this debdiff against the latest debian package? | 07:15 |
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| bmonty | Erlang: I can't apply your debdiff against the 2.3.5-1.1 version of the debian package, did you use the debian package as the base for your debdiff? | 07:23 |
| Erlang | I've applied the patch from the BTS on the Ubuntu package. | 07:31 |
| Erlang | It's me that have to go now. If the patch doesn't work leave it there and I'll redo it 'by the book' this afternoon. | 07:40 |
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| Erlang | bmonty: are you there? | 09:20 |
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| dolson | WHOA. my karma just jumped from ~250 to over 8000 in one day, WTF? | 10:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | dolson, I've read that working on bugs gives you more karma now | 10:10 |
| dolson | ah | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | dolson: karma was, umm, reworked | 10:10 |
| dolson | that's a LOT more karma | 10:10 |
| Erlang | yes karma was substancially reworked dolson. some people are over 100k now. | 10:16 |
| Lure | Erlang: much more than 100k: https://launchpad.net/people/seb128 ;-) | 10:18 |
| Erlang | oh my | 10:19 |
| Erlang | does anybody here have time to explain me what is wrong with a diff I've made for JDE? | 10:19 |
| Erlang | ok. :D | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | wher is yhe diff?\ | 10:23 |
| Erlang | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/jde/+bug/4841 | 10:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 4841 in jde "(dapper) jde 2.3.5-1 fails to install" [Major,Confirmed] | 10:24 |
| Erlang | I've took the Debian NMU and applied it on the Ubuntu package. bmonty was onto it but I had to leave. | 10:25 |
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| LaserJock | Erlang: when you want a sync it is better to diff against the version you are wanting to sync | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | Erlang: and "should fix" isn't as encouraging as "fixes" ;-) | 10:28 |
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| Erlang | ok I think I understand now. | 10:30 |
| Erlang | no, actually, I don't. | 10:31 |
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| Erlang | LaserJock: anyway, is the patch appliable/acceptable? If not I'll simply redo-it By The Book. I'm here to learn. | 10:33 |
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| LaserJock | Erlang: I'd just take the Debian source and add your changelog entry (the version should be build1 not ubuntu1) and then build the source and debdiff | 10:36 |
| Erlang | okay. | 10:37 |
| Erlang | why build1 in this case? | 10:39 |
| Toadstool | good night here | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | Erlang: -Xbuild1 version I think is a lower version than -X so it will be automatically overridden for Dapper+1, or something to that effect anyway | 10:42 |
| sladen | Erlang: probably because syncs are broken | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | Erlang: if you do Xubuntu1 then it is a higher version than X | 10:43 |
| Erlang | That makes sense. | 10:43 |
| Erlang | got the new diff. | 10:47 |
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| Erlang | ok, I've got a patch, but since this package has no Ubuntu-specific change to merge back, it's only my name and comments in the changelog... that sounds totally useless to put on Malone. | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | well, that is why usually a MOTU does that since it is sort of trivial | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | but it is useful to know that it builds in a current dapper pbuilder | 11:01 |
| Erlang | LaserJock: I guess that's why nobody was that enthusiastic when I said I wanted to patch earlier... | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | well, somebody has to figure out that we need a sync and that it works ok without any additional patches | 11:03 |
| Erlang | Is it bad, in any way, for me, for example, to build the package myself and make it available through a link on the BTS? | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | Erlang: what do you mean? | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | the package is in Debian, right? and we just need to fakesync it in Ubuntu, right? | 11:08 |
| Erlang | yes. | 11:08 |
| Erlang | ..ooo nvm | 11:11 |
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| LaserJock | CarlFK: heah, did you get your pbuilder to work and everything? | 11:18 |
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| LaserJock | hi minghua | 11:24 |
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| minghua | hi LaserJock | 11:34 |
| minghua | LaserJock: we seems to have many .desktop bugs now :-) | 11:35 |
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| LaserJock | yep | 11:35 |
| zyga | minghua: .desktop bugs? | 11:35 |
| minghua | zyga: wishlist bugs that add .desktop file to packages that don't have one | 11:36 |
| zyga | oh | 11:36 |
| zyga | I can help you | 11:36 |
| zyga | I always hate when that happens | 11:36 |
| zyga | and I whish I could add such .desktop files | 11:36 |
| minghua | zyga: great. please look at https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+assignedbugs | 11:37 |
| zyga | minghua: can I just assign one bug to myself? | 11:38 |
| zyga | oh some have desktop files attached | 11:38 |
| minghua | zyga: I would prefer you just add a comment saying you are working on it | 11:39 |
| zyga | okay | 11:39 |
| minghua | zyga: and I believe all of them have .desktop file attached | 11:39 |
| zyga | so how can I work on them? make debdiffs that add those desktop files? | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | but we need to make sure that they are valid , etc. | 11:40 |
| zyga | okay I'll just pick one up, add a comment and try to verify it | 11:40 |
| minghua | yeah, basically the work is reviewing, building and testing, uploading. | 11:41 |
| minghua | zyga: can you upload to universe? | 11:41 |
| zyga | minghua: no | 11:41 |
| zyga | not yet unfortunatly | 11:41 |
| zyga | I lost my key some time ago and I did not managed to get my new key signed | 11:42 |
| minghua | zyga: then a verified debdiff would be good | 11:42 |
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| zyga | can I add [pl] translations to the desktop files? | 11:47 |
| minghua | zyga: sure, feel free | 11:50 |
| zyga | minghua: should I sign my debdiffs? | 11:51 |
| minghua | not necessary IMO | 11:51 |
| minghua | debdiffs are supposed to be reviewd | 11:52 |
| minghua | reviewed* | 11:52 |
| zyga | okay | 11:52 |
| zyga | okay I'm almost done with one package, should I confirm it and attach a debdiff to the bug report? | 11:53 |
| minghua | zyga: did you do the building (in pbuilder) and testing? | 11:54 |
| zyga | minghua: I did the build (not in pbuilder, I did do testing) | 11:55 |
| zyga | I assume the dependencies are the same | 11:55 |
| minghua | zyga: okay, attach the debdiff and say that you've built and tested in the comments | 11:55 |
| zyga | okay | 11:55 |
| minghua | zyga: I don't see much point of confirming it, but it definitely won't hurt | 11:56 |
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